2 Guys 1 Cup : A New York Rangers Podcast
A New York Rangers Podcast by 2 die-hard fans Shawn Stein and Jonathan "Roc" Papadimitrios. We aim to bring you insightful guests, information, and offer our opinions on the Rangers.
2 Guys 1 Cup : A New York Rangers Podcast
From Hockey Coma to Training Camp: Rangers Return with New Leadership
The Rangers emerge from their offseason coma as training camp begins with JT Miller being named the 29th captain in franchise history. Miller brings leadership qualities, intensity, and scoring ability that were missing during last season's struggles when the team failed to meet championship expectations.
• JT Miller named team captain, bringing much-needed leadership qualities including intensity, scoring ability, and media savvy
• Rangers' 100th anniversary celebration will feature eight themed nights honoring different eras throughout franchise history
• Eddie Giacomin, considered the greatest goalie in Rangers history until Henrik Lundqvist, passed away this week at age 86
• Power play configuration without Chris Kreider creates questions about who will take the net-front role
• Debate over whether acquiring Kirill Kaprizov would significantly improve the team or just replace Artemi Panarin
• Multiple roster spots up for competition including third-line center and seventh defenseman
• NHL salary cap projected to increase by approximately $9 million next season, creating future flexibility
• Team's championship window appears to be approximately 2-3 years with current core group
• Alexis Lafrenière's development remains a key storyline as he enters another season
• Training camp offers opportunity for new coach Mike Sullivan to implement his system
Thank you very much. Good evening everybody. Sean and Rock two guys, one cup. That was coma from Guns N' Roses, because it has felt like we have been in a coma as fans for almost a full calendar year here. So I thought it was the most appropriate way to open the show.
Speaker 1:First show of training camp. We are out of the coma and live. I mean, here we are, rock. This is it. Training camp starts this week. The rookie camp has already happened. The two rookie games that the Rangers refused to stream has already taken place. Thank you, philadelphia Flyers, for giving one ounce of a shit about your fans and streaming the games we were able to take place. Jim Schmiederberg and Brian Attard reported on the street that the corporate sponsors for the Flyers event were all wearing Ranger jerseys, so that was awesome to see. 1-0 in my book for the season to start, rock. Happy 2025-2026 training camp to you, sir. How are you so? The season's almost underway? Is that what you're telling me? Almost here. How are you so the season's? The season's almost underway? Is that what you're telling me? Almost here, we are out of the coma, uh welcome.
Speaker 2:This is uh, a uh, I don't know how to explain it. I I know you're jazzed and you're pumped and obviously if miller, if miller didn't get the captaincy today, I maybe felt would feel a little more somber or pessimistic.
Speaker 1:So what you're? Saying is the words of the song actually really ring true for you Feels?
Speaker 2:like I'm in a coma.
Speaker 1:I don't think I want to return back to this world again.
Speaker 2:I have. I'm sure once the season starts, it gets underway, I'll feel differently. This is by far and like I said this a thousand times and I've said it over the summer, this is the least interested I've been to start a hockey season in 30-plus years of being a Ranger fan, I don't know what to feel. I don't know what Ranger fan I don't know what to feel. I don't know what to think. I don't know what to expect.
Speaker 2:I think there's a lot of question marks and essentially, we're coming back into a season where, um, you know, the expectations are just making the playoffs and not winning a championship. And again we are back to where we were five years ago. So it again, the, the, the. The mission statement is we need to make the playoffs, not we need to win a championship. And honestly, that's not that's. It's just not where I want to be at this stage of my range of fandom starting over again. And essentially we're not starting over in the sense where we're tearing down the team, but we are starting over in the sense where the expectations have now been lowered once again.
Speaker 1:Have they, though. What makes you think that we're not trying to win a cup? I don't think they're not trying to win a cup.
Speaker 2:I don't think that I don't think they're good enough to win a cup I know, I think they're trying to win a cup, since, since they signed with temi panarin and and trade it for jacob truba, I think this team has been trying to win a championship. I just don't think they're good enough. Okay, and again, I don't know. I think. I think there's a lot of question marks, I think there's a lot of uh, you know, things that are up in the air and a lot of expectations that we're going to see whether what happens or or. I just think there's a lot of holes, a lot of things that need to be fixed. And again, we're at this holding pattern to essentially where next offseason is going to be, and I think people are more focused on what's going to happen next offseason than what's in front of us, and to me, that doesn't scream championship. Caliber team.
Speaker 1:I think that's a lot of media-driven stuff right now with all the people who are out there and the Kaprizov thing has people talking about it? It's the.
Speaker 2:Kaprizov thing. It's the fact that you know, mcdavid, what he said, I mean there's a lot of factors Nothing to do with us, though.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of nuances and a lot of factors, but it's the fan base in general. There is no one that's come. Maybe with the exception of you, you might be the only person that think this team has a chance to win a championship this year. I don't see it and I don't see it, and I think a lot of things would need to fall perfectly and guys would need to play out of their minds, and I still even think that at that point it would take a short short.
Speaker 1:We are five minutes and 17 seconds into what's probably going to be another two-hour episode. We have plenty of time to talk about the upcoming season. It's probably going to be another two-hour episode. We have plenty of time to talk about the upcoming season. Let's do some housekeeping first. To start off with with the news for the week. First, we would be remiss if we did not gloss over an all-time Ranger great that passed this week. Yes, a person. Neither of us obviously ever saw play. Yes, a person. Neither of us obviously ever saw play. But my father was a very, very novice hockey fan. Anytime that he talked about the New York Rangers to me growing up it was all about Eddie Jockerman. Eddie Jockerman passed this week. What was he? 90? 86. The man did not reach 90?. I thought he could have sworn. He was 90 10 years ago.
Speaker 2:No, they're all dropping just shy of 90, it seems like which is still a great life.
Speaker 1:Did we get a Francesa eulogy? I haven't been able to find one he had to. Francesa would love to talk about an old hockey player.
Speaker 2:I don't know if Francesa spoke about him today, but there's another someone else passed away today, on a smaller scale John Clawsey, who was one of the founding members of WFAN, who used to do the updates, who was a Mineola resident who had played baseball with his son.
Speaker 2:He passed away today at the age of 75, which I just found out. So Francesa might have spoken more about him than he might have as eddie jockman, but uh, yeah, if we haven't heard anything about, um, uh, I'm sure eddie jockman is not the first thing coming out of mike francesa's mouth no no um, but yeah, I mean obviously all-time great, considered the greatest goaltender in ranger history until hank uh came around.
Speaker 1:I still think after richter's retirement, jockman was still revered on a higher level than right. Well, that's what I'm saying. Even though richter got us a cup, I still think Jockerman was still considered to be the the best goalie in our franchise's history until, uh right, mad dog, and how he rose on today to talk about Eddie Jockerman, oh good for me.
Speaker 2:Good for dog. He always talked about hockey, though. That's why I loved it when Mike wasn't there, cause he would. He would actually talk about more so than Mike, which is shocking to me, because Mike used to do live from the play-by-play after the Raging Game and I'm like how does a guy that used to work for MSG not talk about hockey at all?
Speaker 1:But anyway, this is Matt Mancesso coming to you live at the play-by-play with Bill Parcells for the 63rd consecutive episode. Bill, how's it going?
Speaker 2:Unbelievable. But as far as Jockck, my father was at that uh jacobin game when he came back the detroit one, the detroit one, um, and he said that it was I mean, I get you know, my father's not is not one for reminiscing and not rem, and he reminisces but he's not good for detail. Okay, so he's actually on a cruise right now, 11 day cruise, god bless on the back friday how much dancing is going on in that cruise?
Speaker 2:Oh, he's definitely dancing with the stars right now. He's definitely dancing with the stars for the cruise ship. He'd be in it, that man's going to need a nice spin. I'm going to ask him in detail about the job. Obviously, we never saw Joachim in play, yeah, but I'm going to ask him about that night and what he remembers and, if I remember, for our next show I'll bring it up Because obviously even trying to watch old clips, goaltending back then was just so different.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, let's be fair, he didn't wear a helmet or a mask for the first eight years of his career.
Speaker 2:I know God bless those guys, man. I mean the fact that those guys didn't get their face meshed in more often. Now, granted, they had the wooden sticks, they didn't have curves on their sticks and technology wasn't there, but still, I mean the balls of those guys. I mean Terry you ever see a picture of Terry Shorchard's face? Jacques Blanc, jerry Chevers I mean the garbage pail.
Speaker 1:Kids with the stitches Zipper face yeah, they all look like that, but yeah so Eddie Jockerman obviously no longer with us. The 100th anniversary season. It would have been nice for him to be at some of these celebrations this year.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if you would have been there, sean, because I think he's been sick for a while. Oh, has he? I think he's been suffering. Well, he wasn't at Lundqvist night. I don't think we've seen Giacomo for a while, really.
Speaker 1:We haven't seen Giacomo for a while. I remember it being a thing that and I joked around with Sean McCaffrey about this I remember it being a thing with him where he insisted on getting paid pretty nicely any time he was going to make an appearance at MSG. He was not one of those. He was not one of the ones that was just happy to be there and happy to take the free hotel and flight, all that stuff. He wanted an appearance fee.
Speaker 2:These guys made nothing in their career. Oh, I get it. Oh, I don't blame them, I don't care if they shake down the garden, for everything it's worth. Yeah, and I have a story later that I'm going to tell you about, uh, um, either, chris, our friend chris, chris gary, told me I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk about later. It's about john retell and I'll bring it up later but, um, which made me jog my memory about msg, but listen, I mean, we haven't seen jockman for a while. Um, he's, uh, in my mind, he's the greatest goalie. Well, he was the greatest goalie that ever played for the Rangers. But you could be the greatest goalie and not win a championship, as we've seen.
Speaker 2:I mean it is remarkable, I mean it is remarkable that the amount of talent the Rangers have had between the pipes in 100 years and they have only one championship in the last 85 years it's, it's just incredible.
Speaker 1:It's just incredible next order of business really is incredible, since this is just a news day, so next order of business, and we are not breaking anything by at all. This is actually the biggest reason I really wanted to make sure we got a show in today. I went live earlier today because I just couldn't hold myself back in any way. Shape or form Right. But my friend and yours, JT Miller, has been named the 29th captain of the New York Rangers and I don't care where else someone else that wants to try and say that they started this? Nobody, and there's a rock.
Speaker 1:I know you listen to a ton of podcasts out there. Mike Silvers, I know, is on here right now listens to pretty much every Ranger podcast that is that exists under the sun. There is not one person that does a Ranger podcast and there's. Listen you, you fall, you trip over them in the dark. There's so many Ranger podcasts now. There's a lot. There's a lot. Not one brought up JT Miller's name before me on this show. I even have it queued up from November 17th 2021.
Speaker 2:I'm more than happy to play this. You're going to hear me. Hopefully you'll have me saying why the fuck, why would you want to get this fucking guy back?
Speaker 1:Yes, it's pretty good. It's pretty good, I'll play it. You want to play it now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, play it.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:I can't wait. I can't wait. Really, dude, you want to bring this fucking guy back. How would you feel?
Speaker 1:about it. I hate reunions. I'm very, very against a team. Once they've left, that's a good one. It never works. No, I'm not had a good year last year. The mayor of Munchkinland is fine over there in Minnesota. What, all right, come on, give me the team he's on right now. Oh, once I say the team. You know who it is? Oh no, yeah, team, you know who it is. Oh no, good audio who around the league would make sense. Would fit perfectly back here again. Bucinavich.
Speaker 2:Twitter just erupted.
Speaker 1:Twitter just erupted. Who around the league is on a bad team. He's got two years left at 5.25 million left on his contract per year.
Speaker 2:X, ranger on a bad team would fit perfectly. Let's figure who the bad teams are. I really went on too long.
Speaker 1:Montreal not on Montreal.
Speaker 2:No, ireland. Ireland's our last place. I don't know, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Personal friend of yours, peter Holland, I don't know JT.
Speaker 1:Miller Wow, I don't know JT.
Speaker 2:Miller Wow, I don't know, I'm not interested. Listen, I'm Listen how many reunions have ever worked? Very few. I mean Messier coming back was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was the first mention.
Speaker 2:Dude, you fucking sold me. I'm not. I am not going to sit here and try to play stupid. You fucking sold me. I was not interested. I did what didn't care, but I watched him. I stayed up, I watched some Vancouver games. I watched the games and he won me over. You sold me because I was not. Not. I couldn't wrap my head around bringing back a guy and we've seen this a thousand times who at least they don't work. Nine things out of ten they do not work.
Speaker 1:So, um, anybody wants to go? Yeah, anybody wants to go. Listen to that show. It was episode 24 at the 54 minute mark. I'll post that in the comments later.
Speaker 2:Uh, for anybody who wants to go back and listen, I can tell you I don't tell me why. I remember this, so this is before I started coming down here to do the show was when the kids were still upstairs and we I remember we talked about that because it was like we had so much time before the trade deadline, right, and we kept saying we got to get to the trade deadline.
Speaker 1:This was November. This was November 17th.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we were talking about that and I remember that conversation like it was yesterday, same and yeah, it was wow. Yeah, it was spot on. It was a good trade last year. It was a step in the right direction. Naming him captain is the right choice. He just brings a level of expectations. He brings a level of intensity. He just brings so much more than every other guy on the team, brings so much more than every other guy on the team. He has intangibles that no one else has. He has everything he. He can score. He's put up 100 points. He has the seniority. He's played here, he knows what it's like. He, he, he's honest, he's forthright, he doesn't shy away from the media. Um, he brings so many variables that I just think all the other guys that were possibilities just didn't. They were lacking something. He has every facet of what you're looking for in a captain.
Speaker 1:Our friend of the show, brian Attard, made a great statement today that I saw him post in Blue Truth when he said if JT Miller was on this team in november, november never happened. Meaning, if we had that type of a leader on this team when all the shit hit the fan in november, november would have never happened maybe and that's the other.
Speaker 1:That's the other part of this. If the t, if, if listen, you know I like trocek, we know you don't, it's fine, we're not going to get into that. But whether between trocek or fox or panarin or mika, if any of those guys was truly someone who should have been the captain, their opportunity to do to seize that was last season was to write. That was to write the ship, for that person to stand up and write it. So for all these people who wanted Adam Fox to be the captain because that seemed to be, you were either like us where we wanted Miller, or there were some people who were like, oh, give it to Vinny, he was here first and they're friends, but the other guy was Fox. A lot of people really, really wanted Fox to get this. He had his chance last year. If he was truly that guy, I don't even mean his play on the ice, I mean stepping up in the locker room and getting the team back on the right track.
Speaker 2:We don't know he did it.
Speaker 1:But it didn't happen. It didn't work for anybody. I'm saying, even if he did stand up in the room and try it, no one followed. So then it didn't work. So that no one followed, so correct, then it didn't work. So he was. So here you're naming someone a captain with a new coach, a new captain, and this captain was not part of whatever the fucking yalta conference was back in the fucking you know last offseason. He wasn't part of that. So it's a fresh start on on both ends, both, uh, both behind the bench and in front of the bench.
Speaker 2:Correct. Yeah, and I don't disagree with anything you just said. I mean, I think I've accepted that Trochek's on the team and I'll say this until I'm blue in the face. It's nothing to do with him, it's him in the role he's playing, so I'm going to leave it there. I'm totally fine with him playing you him in the role he's playing, so I'm going to leave it there. I'm totally fine with him playing third-line minutes and whatever else, but again, like I was saying, he brings the intangibles, he brings the intensity, he's good with the media, but he's not a big-time player, he's not a big-time scorer. He's not going to go out there and put up a big goal for you. You know, in in a crunch moment and in in most situations he was on the power play. When you score the overtime goal, let's not forget. Oh okay, I was, just I was I was gonna be silent.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, I know, I know where you were going with that and maybe he would and maybe you would and maybe I need to. Kind of, you know, and I think I've softened on him for the most part I think I've kind of accepted him. I think he fits a need in a role for this team and I think in in on a great team or a really good team. He could fit that nick benino type role on a stanley cup team. Well, that type of guy kill brennelty's good face off guy, you know, can chip in, chip in some offensive points. I saw one publication that said he's going to score 60 points, 70 points. I'm like I don't know, I don't see that, not now. I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1:If that line is going to play together again this year, then he should put up 65, 70 points.
Speaker 2:I will say I mean, listen, I think what I think about this team, where I think where they're going to excel, is you have a lot of guys with a lot of what's the word?
Speaker 1:I'm looking for we can agree that Czocik had a really bad year last year, right?
Speaker 2:He was awful last year. He was bad the first year. He was better the second year and he was bad last year, and the only reason no one said anything was because he was coming off the heels of an overtime winner and because so many other guys were so much worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you have a lot of guys with, with.
Speaker 2:So we have stuff to play for this year. Sean, you've got Miller who has, who wants to make a statement as captain. You got Sabina Jad that's good, that's coming out to try to prove everybody wrong. You got Will Cooley, who build off the next season. You got Lafreniere who's trying to show that he can give you more. You've got Panarin in the contract year. You've got Offman, berard and Perot all looking to make the team. You've got Parsons trying to hold on to a possible third-line center spot. Plus you've got Edstrom, carrick and Rempe who are trying to stay together as a fourth-line, with the exception of Taylor Radish.
Speaker 1:With the exception of Taylor Radish every other guy on this team has something to prove. And Taylor Radish is trying to stay in the NHL. True, he's at that age where this role kind of makes or breaks his career.
Speaker 2:He's still in his late 20s. He can make or break his career. I'm just saying like he's not even a thought in any Ranger fan's mind Every other guy that I mentioned even Brzezinski, for that matter, and Matthew Robertson, and the list goes on and on have something to prove for this coming season. Every guy and, to be honest with you, Will Cooley's probably the one guy that has the least to prove of everybody, because he was the best player last season.
Speaker 1:Playing in the top six is going to be an expectation now and he got signed my he was the best player last season.
Speaker 2:Playing in the top six is going to be an expectation now, and he got signed. My point is based off of last season, what we saw from the guys from last year. Every player on this team did not play up to their potential. Even Panarin, who scored almost 90 points, which was a down year for him, had something to prove.
Speaker 1:But I just want to bring up Vinny for a second. So Vinny's first year here was terrible. Right, 55 points? Right 64. Oh, he did have that many, okay yeah. Then 77. And then last year, in a really shit year, 59 with 26 goals. So 70 points is the absolute expectation if he's going to play with Panarin. If he's playing with Panarin, he should get 70 points without the absolute expectation.
Speaker 2:if he's going to play If he's playing with Panarin, he should get 70 points without even breaking a sweat. Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So 65 to 70 points.
Speaker 2:Well, let's see if he gets the power play time this year. He might, because I mean, I don't know what they're going to do. I don't want to start guessing on who they're going to put on the power play, but you've got to assume that it's going to be Miller, it's going to be Fox, it's going to be Panarin, whoever the other two guys on that line are, we're going to see, because now, with Kreider not here, that opens up a huge hole. And who's playing the net front presence.
Speaker 1:It's going to to be Cooley or Trochek, because, remember, jt Miller is not a net front guy on the power play. He likes playing up high and on the half wall. He's not a net front guy on the power play. It's not what he did in Vancouver. He's in the bumper. Trochek has been the bumper, but now they need to adjust. Mika's not going to play in front of the net. Panera's not going to play in front of the net. Panera's not going to play in front of the net. Fox is going to play in front of the net.
Speaker 2:If they're going to put, give Cooley or Lafreniere a shot on power, play one. I know we're going down a rabbit hole. No, it's fine.
Speaker 1:No, it's fine, because one of those Between Trocek, cooley or Lafreniere one One of them needs to be the net front guy on the first power play.
Speaker 2:No, you're right, Because you know it's obviously not going to be Panarin.
Speaker 1:Miller and Zabenejad are going to be the two guys on the half wall, fox and Panarin up top. And then who's in front?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it has to be either Lafrenier or Cooley. It's got to be one of those two guys or Trocek. It might be Trocek, I don't know. I don't know if he's a net front guy. Listen, that's just me. I think he's too small to play the net front.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying it should be, I'm just saying we will see it's going to be one of those three guys.
Speaker 2:Well, this is what I'm thinking, if Miller can win, face-offs and he's been good.
Speaker 1:All right If he can win the face-offs, but he's not as good as Trochek on face-offs we can agree on that, no. But when Zibanejad's on his backhand he's very good. He's terrible on his forehand. So I love having the two of them on the same line. Five on five as well.
Speaker 1:So then, in a sense, you don't need to have Trochek on the first power play, then right? If you're going to have trochek on the first power play, it's because of what he does in the bumper, not because you need him in the face-off circle, right? I don't think it's that desperate of a need to where you're going to design your entire power play around it, right?
Speaker 2:I'd be very curious to see what sullivan does because, let's be fair, I mean with, with, with cryder gone, it's a really strange uh, power play in general and we're going to see, because I mean that power play had been together since David Quinn, right, which is pretty incredible, with the exception, obviously, stroman for Trocek, and it can no longer be the same power play because Miller is a left-handed shot.
Speaker 1:So you're not going to do four righties again. Yeah, unless Trochek is there. But again, then who's that takes away the bumper? If Trochek's going to play the middle, you're going to put Mika in the bumper. I don't know, we're going to see. There's a lot of things with Sullivan. I'm really curious.
Speaker 2:That's the one thing that I am looking forward to seeing in the preseason because, to be fair, sean, I mean there's two open spots on this team there's whoever's on the wing on the third line and there's whoever's the seventh defenseman. I mean that's essentially where.
Speaker 1:So you're saying Morrow has the job locked up?
Speaker 2:No, I don't think Morrow has the job locked up. I don't think Morrow's starting in the roster. I don't think he's starting the season on the team. We'll see.
Speaker 2:I would put it as I know you and I had this debate when we talked about the trade Do we ever have a show after the free agency? Do we talk about this? We had maybe one other show post. We talked about the, the military and everything else. I don't remember. Now. I just don't think, and I said this back then. I don't think they're going to play two guys on their off side. It's because we had mentioned possibly moving. Susie was going to move down.
Speaker 1:I think it's going to be, susie Schneider's going to move up, I think Schneider and Borgen are going to play together and I think Suse and Morrow are going to be the third pair.
Speaker 2:Wow. So for me, in my opinion and again, this is just me, I think if it's neck and neck between Morrow and Robertson going to as a seventh offensive, vakunainen's a lock. This is what Ion going to as a seventh offensive, vakunayun is a lock. This is what I'm going to say. I say Vakunayun is a lock.
Speaker 1:He's a lock to make the team, but more likely is competing with Sousi for the sixth, you know, for the left shot, I think unfortunately for you and I, I think Sousi's on the second pair.
Speaker 2:I don't know. You don't want to hear that. They're going to try. They're going to have Soucy and Borgen play together. They're going to start with that. I would be floored. Floored if they don't. Which leaves Schneider and Vakhanainen, who played together last year, and I know it's a different coach. I think they're going to give Vakhanainen the benefit of the doubt. I think he has the leg up Me personally. I think it would be the seventh defenseman between, unless Morrow plays out of his mind.
Speaker 1:Morrow won't be here if he's a 70.
Speaker 2:Well, that's my point. If Morrow plays out of his mind and they have no choice but to keep him, then Vakhanainen or Soucy or whoever will slide back down to the 70. But personally I said this, and unless Schuster is another guy that just plays out of his mind, I think it's Matthew Robertson's job to lose. If you lose him on waivers. He doesn't make a lot of money. He's a big rangy defenseman, he's young.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I think it's his job to lose. So then, who becomes the second power play defenseman?
Speaker 2:Susie Schneider.
Speaker 1:Or they go with five forwards. Can't do that, why, if you were going to do the five forwards, you would do it on your first.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, that's the other issue too is there is no D'Angelo now, there is no Trouba. There is no Ke'Angelo now there is no Trouba. There is no Keiondre.
Speaker 1:Miller, it would be Morrow. There is no. That's my point.
Speaker 2:Just to be fair. I mean, how many years do we see on the second power play? It was Dan Girardi on the second power play and you might see something like that. You might see.
Speaker 1:That would be Schneider.
Speaker 2:That would be the equipment defensively the world To see if he can give you a little bit more upside. It depends on how much they're going to play Listen.
Speaker 1:is there people out there who love seeing a second power play? Get half the time? Fuck that. I want my first power play out there for a minute and a half.
Speaker 2:I hate seeing a second power play unit ever touch the ice, Unless you have two really good units, which the Rangers never really had. John Robertson does have a two-way contract.
Speaker 1:However, he still needs to clear waivers. Yeah, two-way. All that that means is what the player is going to get paid if they're in the AHL versus the NHL. It has nothing to do with waivers, correct? So here's where some people get mixed up with that, and I used to be guilty of it, as well as when you play, when you play franchise mode in nhl. If a guy's on a two-way contract, you can send them down interesting.
Speaker 2:So so, before we get into anything else, to start to see, do we have any other news that we wanted to get into? Do you want to get into robert redford's passing and you?
Speaker 1:want to leave that. I thought it was.
Speaker 2:Bump Bailey and Roy Hobbs in the same year. What is going on? And if you see my shirt, Kim Basinger better about this one.
Speaker 1:Kim Basinger, better, better cover up.
Speaker 2:I know Well, I mean, there's not an end. And Robert Duvall when did he pass. He didn't pass. Oh, I'm saying you have more. When did he pass? He didn't pass. I'm saying you have more of a possibility of him and Kim Basinger.
Speaker 1:Kim Basinger was the female love interest for both Bump Bailey and White.
Speaker 2:House, the other guy that passed away this year from that movie, the Whammer the guy who played the Whammer passed away.
Speaker 1:That guy.
Speaker 2:Do we have any other? I?
Speaker 1:should, should have. I should have had the natural theme music lined up dropping like flies this year, my friend, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Celebrities are dropping like crazy and it's from all different genres. It's not just it's not just like the wrestlers, it's not just sports guys, it's from every, I mean all different ages. You know, malcolm jamal warner dies at 54. You know you have. You know someone else die in 90. It's just like. It's incredible, like the.
Speaker 1:You know, ozzy dies I wonder how many uh. I wonder how many uh, vax double, triple boosters.
Speaker 2:All these people had just saying I don't know well, malcolm dewarne died of him. He drowned. Yeah, I don't mean that, but uh, do we have any other news stuff? Um, did you want to talk about the jersey with the? I haven't seen it?
Speaker 1:have you seen it? It doesn't look terrible and people are crying over it. Wait, the, you're talking about the patch. Patch, oh, so I hate it.
Speaker 2:Game set and patch.
Speaker 1:I hate it. I hate that there's a patch. Mm-hmm, it could have been a thousand times worse. The fact that it blends, and at least it's a company that's owned by Mark Messier, at least it's not Payne Weber, correct.
Speaker 2:This is something that ties into Tapir Kardan.
Speaker 1:What was it I forget who it was that said it. It could have been Milk. Yeah, it could have just been, you know, like how we have Benjamin Moore paints on our helmets. At least it ties into the team somehow. Yeah, all right. Uh, if it had to be something, let it be that.
Speaker 2:Well, a friend of mine who I've reconnected with, who I used to work with, uh back in the day, um, he was telling me, uh, I said to him and we talked about he goes, I, he was telling me, I said to him and we talked about it he goes. I don't like it. And I said to him well, maybe it's a mandate from the league that every team has to have it. Maybe every team has to have some kind of advertisement on their jerseys. And if you're going to do it, you might as well do it with someone from your past, like Messier, and maybe Messier needed the endorsement. Maybe they're not charging him much, I don't know. To me it just seems like the perfect marriage If you're going to have to do it. I think it's tasteful. From what I saw, I don't think it's gaudy looking. I don't think you notice it that much.
Speaker 2:I mean baseball jerseys have advertisement on them. Now, Sean right, it's coming.
Speaker 1:It's on the shoulder, it's not on the chain.
Speaker 2:For everybody, and this could be a good segue for everyone out there that wants to pay Kirill Kaprizov $18 million and $19 million and $20 million. You got to get the money from somewhere. Right, it's got to come from somewhere. You want the cap to keep going up and I heard in the next nine years it's going to double. Do you see that? How amazing would that be? The next nine years I'm saying the next nine to ten years the salary cap's going to double.
Speaker 1:It should it definitely should think look at what the nba uh payrolls are it's showing.
Speaker 2:It's a disgrace, it's the same ticket prices.
Speaker 2:Bobby Holick was making $9 million in 2001. Yep, 24 years later, the highest paid player in the sports makes $13.5 million. That's going to change, but currently the highest paid player in the sport, I think Dreisaitl's contract, but I don't know if it's kicked in yet but $13.5 million 25 years later, deal with it. So where's the future? I don't love it. I'm a purist to a certain degree, but I want my cap going up. And I'll tell you another thing we didn't anyone want to touch on these loopholes they closed with the double retention and all this crap. I don't know if you listened to 32 Thoughts recently. All these loopholes they closed up is going to be very hard for teams to make trades. So you better be draft well, you better be smart.
Speaker 1:Was there a loophole that they closed up other than the LTIR?
Speaker 2:Double retention no more.
Speaker 1:Double retention Meaning you can't have the third team take the other 25% anymore.
Speaker 2:It has to take place 90 days later. So say I trade for you in October. I can't trade and do a double retention for 90 days.
Speaker 1:Wow, they're closing them all up, but I'm telling you the Keith Yandel, trade couldn't happen today is what you're saying, Wasn't Keith Yandel? Was there a third team? It?
Speaker 2:was not a third team, kane was. There weren't that many of three-team trades? Kane was, I think Marchant was this past year. There weren't that many of three-team trades. Kane was, I think Marchant was this past year. So now you're really going to have to be smart with your cap, with the contracts you give up and the moves you make in the offseason, right? So for everyone that wants to cry about the patch oh, the patch, oh. You want to keep paying these guys is what's going to cost you.
Speaker 1:But it is time that NHL players get paid like the rest of the pro athletes.
Speaker 2:Oh, come on, that means ridiculous what McDavid gets paid when you got a crumb bum on the Yankees a relief pitcher making $20 million.
Speaker 1:The problem is, and enough with corporate nonsense, like I'm not corporate and rock. You know what my my season ticket bill is so correct and I'm not rich. But this is, this is what I do. Um, what I got to pay for season tickets, what you got to pay for season tickets, versus what? An Arizona or not Arizona anymore, I don't know what. Yeah, you probably bet.
Speaker 2:Who've won two cups, mr Three Stanley cup finals. They're $1,000. You could sit 13 rows from the ice cheaper than my seats up up in the 200. Right.
Speaker 1:So the Rangers have been, have been, charging me and by saying me I mean season ticket holders. They've been charging john q, season ticket holder, nba prices that the nixon rangers are the same, almost virtually the same dollar amount, and the nba payrolls are a lot higher per person, you know there's only 15 guys on the roster.
Speaker 2:There's less guys, right.
Speaker 1:And out of those 15, only 10 of them are actually getting real NBA salaries. The rest of those guys aren't, and they're allowed to go over the cap, so their payrolls are $150 million.
Speaker 2:You have NBA players that make $60 million a year. Nba's been like that for a while. I remember Luke Longley made more than Wayne Gretzky. I swear to God, sean, I remember Luke Longley made more money a season than Wayne Gretzky. That was a backup center for Phoenix. I think he played for Phoenix at that point. He played for the Bulls. It was the Bulls and the Knicks. Yeah, I think he played for Phoenix at that point, but I remember Luke Longley made more money than Wayne Gretzky. It's incredible.
Speaker 1:My money should be going towards the players. It shouldn't be just sitting there and I'm always pro business, but for what the players get paid. Our tickets should not be what they cost, but it is what it is. The garden is the garden to make money? They give us Every time there's something to do with the garden. It's a grade, A experience all the time. They don't. Normally they don't cheap out on things. Hank Knight was a disappointment, but I'm expecting this 100th anniversary.
Speaker 2:You know what? Be prepared to be let down again, why? What are they saying? You see they announced eight other nights that they're going to be commemorating the team, so don't be surprised if the home opener is not all fireworks and if they split this up into eight different gates.
Speaker 1:It definitely shouldn't be the home opener, but there should be a 100th anniversary night, one night that they bring back.
Speaker 2:I don't think they're doing it, dude, I'm telling you now.
Speaker 1:So you think they're just going to break it up over eight.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you that Graves will be there. Leach will probably be there. Messier, I think the retired guy numbers will be there for the 100th anniversary Sprinkling a Steph on my toe, sprinkling someone from the 80s, maybe a Kelly Kissio type guy, sprinkle in someone from the 70s.
Speaker 1:You think it's still just going to be the same people we see at the bar all the time?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I think they're going to bring back their cast of characters that are on the payroll already and I think then they're going to sprinkle in other guys throughout the year. I don't know. I'm embracing myself, because I'd rather be right than disappointed, because, honestly, hank Knight was great, but it was, let's be fair, it was not nearly as good as Messier Knight. Maybe that's not fair because they won a cup or they brought back the 94 team. Leach night was boring, richter night was in between.
Speaker 1:Graves night was better, but I mean graves night was when I was at the surprise were there.
Speaker 2:It was great yeah, that was a good night, but I'm just saying uh, nothing more than night mark. Messier night was one of the best pregame ceremonies I have ever witnessed and I've been there for them all. I was there for Richter, I was there for Messier. What pissed me off the most?
Speaker 1:about Hank night was the guys were there and you kept them up in a suite instead of bringing them on the ice and letting us all celebrate them. It wasn't like, oh, we couldn't get anybody there.
Speaker 2:You had dubinsky and callahan they didn't want to you had.
Speaker 1:They didn't want to spend the time it was going to be too long they said what they were, what 50 like 50 of his former players were all up in the suite listen, all you.
Speaker 2:you didn't have to say a soliloquy about every player. No, just rattle them off. Boros, steve Eminger, jed Ortmeier, tanner Glass, ronnie Sundin, rattle them all down the line. You don't have to start naming it. He played for the Rangers from 2001 to 2002. I'm just saying you don't need to do all that. Just say the guys that are there and Dan Fritchie, and just go down the line.
Speaker 2:Right, I don't know, maybe they didn't want it, maybe they didn't want to bring, maybe they didn't want to embarrass guys. I think you said. I think you said at the time.
Speaker 1:I think you said at the time that it was a COVID related.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why they. That's why they said, that's why Jockerman, Rattel and Hatfield weren't there. But it's possible, I guess. I mean it's disappointing, that's what I'm saying. Let's see how these nights go first before I go nuts, no I know, of course, I'm just saying, when I saw that, I said here we go. They set up it all going into one night. They're going gonna spread this out through eight nights, which is fair, which I get.
Speaker 2:It's more gates, but to me the best ceremony I ever saw I don't know if you remember this when the montreal forum closed yes, yes, if you wear the sweater, you're invited they passed the torches, they did all this stuff. Guy Carboneau, who's still playing, was there. I mean, they had everybody, everybody. Think about the guys that have played for the Rangers in their history. Hall of Famers stars. Every one of those guys should be there for their 100th anniversary Every one of them.
Speaker 1:The Mets for their 100th anniversary every one of them the Mets closing Shea Stadium is the best one I ever saw after the worst, after the worst Mets game ever.
Speaker 2:I saw the Mets. I saw parts of the Mets old-timers day. I think it's better than the Yankee one. I think they bring back more guys. I don't know. That's a pet peeve of mine. I think that they've. Unless it happened in 94, and I've said this a million times and I said this to someone the other night unless it happened in 94, nobody cares.
Speaker 1:I'll give you an interesting point, because you brought it up also with um, the mets old time alumni game. They refused to call it an old timers day. This time they called it an alumni game, whatever. And keith hernandez, during the the actual met game, like just like in between the two games, him and ron darling were talking and he actually said you know what, honestly, this was nice because you, you guys, have you've gotten enough of us meaning the 86 team, like how many times can we just keep bringing out the 86 Mets, 86 Mets, 86 Mets?
Speaker 1:Right, this was, for a large part, the Piazza team versus the, you know, the Reyes and Wright even though David Wright refuses to come to these things because he's like Jeter with this nonsense but it was Shea Stadium guys that could still move around a little bit. So it's a lot of the Piazza era versus, you know, guys that have played, you know, from 2012 on. You had, you know, johan Santana came back. I saw that Cliff Lloyd there, not this time, he was at the last one. Okay, I don't think he was at this one.
Speaker 2:Okay, I I didn't. Obviously I didn't see delgado. Was there delgado?
Speaker 1:hasn't been back this whole time. Beltrane took in a bat, so beltrane was there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's see, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's it's a nice going.
Speaker 2:It's it's contemporary guys again. I am never going to. 94 will always be, unless something changes, one of the highlights of my life, because, as a 14-year-old kid, it was probably the singular, most memorable moment of my childhood, one of my most memorable moments of my childhood that I will cherish for as long as I live. But I'm done, I'm tired, I'm sick of hearing about it. And Mark Messier is one of my favorite players of all time. As you can look over my left shoulder, I I love him, but I want to see other people. I want to see other players that I grew up watching.
Speaker 2:I want to see James Patrick, I want to see Thomas Sandstrom, and again we go in this. I go on this rant constantly. Unless it happened in 94, they do not bring those guys back and I'm sorry, we can't market it. But now you can market it. Now you can bring back guys from every decade Right, and I don't know how many guys are left from the 50s. If there's even anybody left from then, the 60s are probably the same. So what are they?
Speaker 2:doing If you played in the 60s you had to have been 18 years old and you'd still be you years old and he'd still be.
Speaker 1:You might have to be alive. I'm just saying so. 1926 to 1942 is the birth of the franchise night, which is going to be October 20th, against Minnesota they're going to bring back players, kids or grandkids or something like that.
Speaker 2:I heard a rumor I don't know if you saw this that that they're going to honor the Cooks and Frank Boucher Right, they're going to do some kind of honor for them. I don't know if this is what they're going to do, or.
Speaker 1:Okay. I mean, you saw Sean post that, right I saw him post that, but I don't know what it's about freaking time.
Speaker 2:Like I said, guys, it I can't say. Guys are still trying to break Bill Cook's record.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. I mean, is there anyone alive that played? Then no, right, no, they'd be over 100 years old.
Speaker 2:1940, you figure, sean, for them to be born 1920 they would have been 20 years old. They would have to be Over 100 years old. Maybe they'll bring back.
Speaker 1:Brian.
Speaker 2:Hexwell's granddaughter. I don't want to see that. I'm just saying that's all they'll bring back Brian Hexwell's granddaughter. I don't want to see that. I'm just saying that's all they can bring back. They waited too long for these guys.
Speaker 1:Well, that's 100th anniversary. I mean, you're not going to get it, I'm not even talking about that.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about honoring them in general. The fan base does not know any players pre-1970.
Speaker 1:All right. So now that I'm actually because I saw the Knights but I didn't really look at it. All right, so now that I'm actually looking at this, so that's the first Knight. The second Knight is November 8th, against the Islanders. They're actually doing one of these things against the Isles Was the rivalry night. Milestones and moments. Okay, whatever that may mean, okay, whatever that may mean Okay, then November 16th against Detroit is original six era, so 1942 to 1967.
Speaker 2:Okay, there might be some guys left in the 60s Maybe.
Speaker 1:Camille Henry still alive? Who are they? No, bring him back here december 13th, so actually using a december gate against montreal is 67 to 91. The new, the new garden, it'll it'll be.
Speaker 2:it's being titled as well, they'll have the well, that's when they'll bring back pat hickey and and greshner and dave maloney and all those guys into the into the 80s. Well, they'll bring back Pat Hickey and Greshner and Dave Maloney and all those guys into the 80s. Well, they'll probably bring back Tark Todd To your point.
Speaker 1:James Patrick is.
Speaker 2:I mean they should.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll see, because then the next night and this is the one that's going to be interesting, and I'm really curious what this one's going to be, and if it's going to be lame and they're just going to bring on McFatiu and people like that, it's called Fan Favorites Night, january 8th against Buffalo and again if it's just going to be the same cast of characters that's going to be around the garden Fatiu Colton Orr.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:Ron Greshner, I mean All right, they're just going to call those guys the fan favorites, and that's going to be really lame.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sean avery maybe, but that's what I'm saying. I was like I want every player, every player that's alive that played for the rangers, that should be at one of these nights that's either a hall of famer or played a significant role, on, on. I mean even yager.
Speaker 1:Yager should be yager has to be a part of this franchise he's finally retired. I always I I never blamed it before this because he, he, he was still playing professional hockey. I know it lame that he was what he was playing, but he was still playing pro hockey. So during the season there was no expectation he was ever going to come.
Speaker 2:He didn't go back to pittsburgh until he just retired well they might put him, say him, shan Shani, milestone moments. They both scored their 500 goal for the Rangers, right? I mean that could be a night they bring those guys back, I don't know.
Speaker 1:The 600th no.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, 600. What am I? Saying Right, I'm sorry, your 600 goal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the old silver stick convention. That year Everybody gets a silver stick January 26th, so that'll be probably my birthday. Game that I go to against Boston is 91 to 2004, being titled Legendary Blue Shirts, so that'll be the 94 team.
Speaker 2:That'll be the 94 team, but that also encompasses what is that to what year? What year does that go to? 91, to the strike. So that also brings what is that to what year? What year does that go to?
Speaker 1:91 to the strike.
Speaker 2:So that also brings in those seven years of bad teams, right. But again, even though you had Nedved, you had Halavich, you had Dvorak, which was a popular line back then.
Speaker 1:Well, we see Eric Lundros at MSG.
Speaker 2:You had Pavel Bory, you had some high-profile guy, martin Shinsky. You're going to see to me those are the guys that I would think would be there.
Speaker 1:Tony.
Speaker 2:Amante.
Speaker 1:Can Tony Amante ever come back as?
Speaker 2:a Ranger Mark will be there.
Speaker 1:Doug Waite.
Speaker 2:They should. I don't know if Waite played long enough Nah. But Amante, amante, amante had two 30 goal seasons for us Gartner. Can we bring Mike Gartner back to MSG? How about Bernie Nichols?
Speaker 1:Fuck him. I hated Bernie Nichols. Traded Tony Granato for him. I hated him. I was more of a tantrum guy. February 5th will be the easy one. Goaltenders Mike Dunham, steve Valiquette.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jason Mazzotti, corey Hirsch. February 5th will be the easy one. Goaltenders Mike Dunham, steve Valiquette. Yeah, jason Mazzotti, corey Hirsch. Yeah, kurt McClain, terry Olamayev, guy Hebert, milan Hinalichka. Jf Lube Chris Holt, guy Hebert, guy.
Speaker 1:Hebert Guy.
Speaker 2:Hebert. I got it by Guy Hebert, alex Holt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got them all, man. And then the final one will be March 5th against the Toronto Maple Leafs. How much Go back to the goaltender. One on February 5th it's against Carolina, an organization who's never had goaltending. Seven weeks will be there. Just throw all the goaltending in their face. Yeah, that's true. 2004, to present the modern era, will be March 5th.
Speaker 2:I think that one will be the most attended. I think there's a lot of contemporary guys that are still hanging around. That's Dubinsky, that's Delzato, that's Stephon, that's Cali, that's Dan Girardi, rick Nash yeah, I doubt it. It's possible.
Speaker 1:I don't use the excuse that he works for.
Speaker 2:St Louis coaching. But Richards. I don't know if Richards would come back. They bought him out. He came back and was an advisor. He was. I don't think he is anymore obviously the relationship is just fine.
Speaker 1:He got paid all his money. What does he care? I know.
Speaker 2:You're right, and he won a cup.
Speaker 1:We did him a favor. Chicago that's the 100th anniversary celebration. I'm still hoping, against hope, that they will announce that there will be actual one night. The more I look at those and we can see how they're going to piecemeal, getting guys in it's probably how it'll be done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'll do something. It'll be, they'll do something.
Speaker 1:Maybe it'll be better this way. I don't know, we'll see how many people.
Speaker 2:Well, you know. And then, Sean, honestly, if they don't do something big the opening night and we're not there to witness it live, I really hope they televise it for us at home, because obviously I might not make it to every single one of those nights. So I really hope that they take care of the fan at home that might want to see these guys come back in the event that they do something like that. Or if they're just going to do it, oh well, if you're not here, too friggin' bad. So you know, I hope they take care of the fan at home.
Speaker 1:So have they done that? I think they've done that, though haven't they.
Speaker 2:They've done it, for, like I said, 94 night was definitely televised. That was televised. But that's 94 Night. That's one night. Are they going to do eight nights?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Are they going to do it? I don't know, we'll see. They should. It's the 100th anniversary of the franchise. They should. They should do that, but we'll see. Would have put them past them to screw this up, but you never know.
Speaker 1:All right. So what else do we got? We've covered all the bases. We're only at 54 minutes somehow.
Speaker 2:I wanted to. I mean, I know the whole Caprizov thing is on a lot of people's minds. I just want to get my two cents really fast. I'm not giving one player 19 or 20 million dollars, especially not a winger, and if it's not mcdavid I'm not giving it to that guy. That's just me, my personal feeling, and I know maybe that's that's not really a great take. I, I, I know and I know panarin turned out to be a great signing, but but you're talking almost double what he makes for a winger when they're still not deep down the middle. And I still think you need to win down the middle, not off the wing. And I'm not saying that if they signed him I would be annoyed or disappointed, I'd probably be happy, but I would be very apprehensive to think that this team can win paying a guy that type of money. So I don't know how I feel about that, but again it's something that we and I also don't think just bringing him in and losing Panarin I don't think makes the team any better.
Speaker 1:I don't think it makes them a ton, Not a ton.
Speaker 2:better Sean it doesn't make them a ton better. It makes them better. But it does not make them a ton better, it makes them slightly better. You're taking 100 point guy out and putting in another so they'll be better for longer. Because as panarin gets older you figure he's not going to score 100 points. But you're not. You're not. You need to add a guy on top of Panarin.
Speaker 1:Next year's salary cap is going to go up $9 million. Okay, the year after that is projected to go up another $9.5 million.
Speaker 2:And I believe the only players next year they need to resign is a backup goalie, someone to replace Soucyie and Schneider, is that correct?
Speaker 1:The Rangers will have $30 million in cap space next year.
Speaker 2:So they could pay him that if they wanted to.
Speaker 1:And then it'll go up to $113 million.
Speaker 2:To me. I'd rather see if you can bring in two players To me.
Speaker 1:I'd rather see if you can bring in two players. We are $51.8 million under the 2027 cap.
Speaker 2:You've got to sign Cooley. There's guys you need to sign, though. That year $51 million.
Speaker 1:I know, but I've still got to sign guys. But I'm saying the numbers are going to give us sticker shock. That's understandable, but we're. So cap percentage is going to be what we just need to focus on and that'll. I think that'll, as this cap continues to inflate at a meteoric rise that we're going to see over the next five to 10 years, that percentage that is going to be a more commonplace term than ever before. It's always been there, but we don't understand these numbers anymore. We're gonna see rookies probably start to get closer to two million dollars on their elcs, which anything 800,000 seems unfathomable. Backup goalies getting 4 million is going to be a thing which makes no sense, but it will. When the cap goes up this much, it's going to just be cap percentage and that's what the agents are going to do.
Speaker 2:You have to have teams that need to get to the floor too, so that's another way the salary cap players are going to start getting paid. They're going to start overpaying in guys in weaker, in positions that they need to strengthen. So that's what's going to happen too.
Speaker 1:There's going to be so much more money to go around.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why Goudreau's contract probably in another year or so is going to be chump change. Someone's going to, he'll get traded, he'll go to a contender the next year or two what does? Or the next year or two, was he got two years left? One year left, two years left, right? I think he traded them halfway through that contract. But they say, oh, goudreau's making $3.6 million, that's going to be like oh wow, it's not going to be considered a lot of money anymore for a third-line player. Fourth-line player.
Speaker 1:No, next year's the last year.
Speaker 2:Next year? Yeah, so he's got two years left. He had this year, all of this year and next year, right, um, I don't know. I I kinda. I mean, I would like to see them find a way to keep Panarin. If they're going to bring in Caprizov to bring him, keep Panarin and bring him in um to to get loose Panarin to bring him in. I I think, unless, like I said, unless Lafreniere and Cooley completely explode, where you can say, all right, well, maybe we can move on. But if they're still hovering around 40, 50 points and Panarin's putting up 100, and our goal, our mission right now is to win a championship, I'm not getting rid of Panarin and replacing him with a 100-point player, with another 100-point player. Understandable, that's just me. That's just me.
Speaker 1:Just for you folks who are wondering about Kaprizov in the playoffs versus Panarin in the playoffs. So Minnesota lost in the first round last year in six games. Do you know how many points Kaprizov had in that series? I don't know what six points? Nine? Okay, he had five goals in the six games. Okay, he never won a. How much if it's him? How much if it's Minnesota?
Speaker 2:that he's never won a playoff series Minnesota. They're awful. They're awful.
Speaker 1:In 2022, his second year in the league again, they lost. In six games he had seven goals, so this guy plays in the playoffs.
Speaker 2:Well, he's the opposite of Panarin. I mean, I'm not saying he doesn't put up assists, but he is 25 playoff games.
Speaker 1:He has 15 goals in 25 playoff games. He has 15 goals in 25 playoff games.
Speaker 2:It's a big difference.
Speaker 1:It does make them better.
Speaker 2:What's his goal? To assist differential. How many more goals does he have than assist? Is he a?
Speaker 1:He has more assists than goals. He does yeah.
Speaker 2:He's got has more assists than goals first career does. Yeah, okay, I mean 185 goals and 319.
Speaker 1:You missed 41 games last year and he still wound up with how many points 56 points did 25 goals in a half season he was on a page for 120 points.
Speaker 2:Yeah, unbelievable. Um, I mean again, I'm not saying I'm not saying I wouldn't sign them, but I would like to see if there's a way for them to bring in both guys to keep it kind of it's?
Speaker 1:it's what it does. Is it kind of like resets it's? It's essentially replacing panarin with another, because, again, there's another contract makes your. He drives the line from the wing as opposed to center. You know guys who score 40 goals, 47. 40 goals in 67 games. The next year, 46 in 75.
Speaker 2:I'm going to throw something at you. Would you trade? I mean, this is going to be completely crazy, but would you trade if you knew you? Again, if you knew you were getting capris off and then you knew panarin would come back for a? A would I trade lafreniere for him?
Speaker 2:would you trade lafreniere, yes, and. And maybe bring in a young defenseman to maybe play on that second pair, or bring in a defenseman that, no, no, let me rephrase this Are you saying to make the trade Either way, for this year, yes, and be able to resign him, correct?
Speaker 1:They do have the same agent, mike Panarin, and I would trade Lafreniere to Minnesota to get Kaprizov now and resign him and hopefully still try and keep Panarin.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's right, I would do the same thing. I think Lafreniere is getting traded. I don't think he's less. He's not less than the seven-year contract. I don't think he's less. I don't think he's less, unless he absolutely plays out of his mind.
Speaker 1:Why does he have to play out of his mind to last the contract? How do they, if he's a 65-point player and that's all he is you think he gets traded?
Speaker 2:Why, I think if they want to win a championship and they don't feel like he's part of the solution, yeah, I do think he gets traded.
Speaker 1:His contract is not going to be bad as this cap keeps going up. I don't care.
Speaker 2:Who cares about his contract at that point. I care more about whether or not he can help this team win a championship.
Speaker 1:But then what would you get for him? That's going to make you better If you don't think he's. Again, if he's a 65-point player making the amount of money that a 65-point player?
Speaker 2:makes. Well, there's other teams that would trade for him right now, based off of his shit season and the fact that his his best season was on the heels of Panarin's 120 point season.
Speaker 1:But then what are you getting in return? I don't know who cares at that point. In other words, I'm not. I'm not making another Will Borgen type trade for Lafreniere If he's, if he's a 65, because what are you getting for him? You're just going to give him away for nothing. You're going to trade him for a draft pick Nothing.
Speaker 2:So you're keeping a guy around just because he scored 65 points, even though you don't think you can win depth.
Speaker 1:You need those guys, you don't need depth. Is he a third-line player? No, I think he's a second-line player. Right now I'm hoping he's a first-line player. We'll see. The way he played two years ago he was a first-line player. We'll see.
Speaker 2:We'll see. You're right, we will see. We will see Again. Away from Panarin, he was not the same guy.
Speaker 1:Still too young to give up on my man. We gave up on JT Willis. That's one guy.
Speaker 2:That's one guy how did Nick. Kiernan work out, when we gave up, when they let him walk we weren't the one who drafted him that was. It doesn't matter, he's still a young, 24 year old guy when they got rid of him and he never went anywhere because I mean he was talent, nothing between the years, I'm not again.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to sit here and tell you that what jt miller has done to resurrect his career isn't short of remarkable. But you can't sit there and tell me that the Rangers have traded all these guys away that have come back to bite them in the ass. You want to say, wait, in the Monty back 30 something years ago, I mean.
Speaker 1:but we, we did it for a reason, but those are, those are certainly two examples where we rushed. You know, we, we, we weren't patient enough. They didn't give up on them.
Speaker 2:They didn't give up on those two guys. They traded them for pieces they needed to help them win a championship. And that's what our current GM has not been willing to do recently and he's getting crushed All of a sudden. Now everyone's talking about how he didn't trade Offman for Gensel. I had that.
Speaker 1:Yes, I was the one that screamed about that.
Speaker 2:Everyone is saying, oh, they should have traded Offman. Well, where were you? And even my boy, cerny, didn't know. Offman was Chris Drury's first draft pick as GM. He's like he's telling Russ Cohen on his podcast yeah, I don't understand why Drury didn first draft pick as GM. He's like I don't know. He's he's telling Russ Cohen on on on his podcast. Yeah, I don't understand why Drury didn't want to trade him. It's not like he drafted him. I'm like dude, how do you know? That was Drury's first draft as GM and Russ and Russ agreed with them. Like Russ, say something.
Speaker 1:He knew I was wrong because Russ hesitated.
Speaker 2:I knew Russ. He didn't want to embarrass him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but. I like, whether it's John Heyman or it's, you know, jim Cernan. People make mistakes. Instant name.
Speaker 2:People make mistakes.
Speaker 1:But this is what you do for a living.
Speaker 2:You don't know that Brandon Oppen was the? You're right, you're right. You know what Sean. You're right. You know what Sean, you're right, you're right. He's what you do for a living. I know it, and I don't do it for a living. You're a fireman.
Speaker 1:You can't make a fuck-up like that. You fuck up like that people die this is literally your profession. This is literally all you do. This is not your side gig.
Speaker 2:You're not two jackaloons hosting a podcast at 11 o'clock at night, right. And to be fair, cerny only really deals with the Rangers. That's it. He should know every draft pick.
Speaker 1:He should know twice as much as you and I. Not even a question. It's literally all you do. It's all you do.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it is. It's brutal and I'll never forget. I told this story to you once before. I think I talked about it on the show. I don't know if anyone's ever heard this. When Ron Duguay is sitting on the panel in between periods and he goes yeah, rob Blake is going to really play in LA. Rob Blake's oh no, what was he saying? I'm going to get the quote right. He brought up Rob Blake's. Oh no, what was he saying? I'm going to get the quote right. He brought up Rob Blake and I don't know if it was because he was playing for LA and he got traded to Colorado, or he was playing for Colorado and retired. It was one of those. And he's like yeah, yeah, rob Blake. I mean Rob Blake, he didn't even play for them for like a year. He hadn't played for whatever or wasn't a part of the organization at any point. I'm like, how do you not know that?
Speaker 1:I know Sean, I know McCaffrey loves him and I remember getting. I like Duguay. Not getting into it with him but I remember saying because he hated the whole reason he hates Valaket is because Valaket replaced Duguay on the panel. Oh, is that why it's?
Speaker 2:the whole reason he hates Valaket. Why does he hate Sabinejad? That's a whole different. You know what, sean? I just think we all have our guys. I just think every Ranger fan has the guy. I never liked Derek Stephon, I mean, I was just not. I just was not a fan. I thought he was a horrible skater. I never thought he's another one. I mean other than again, I watched that goal in Game 7 against Washington.
Speaker 2:He'll be at the moment tonight he will be and listen. It was a big goal and a big moment. But other than that goal, he was awful in the playoffs for them, awful, non-existent. And Gabrick gets shitted on. He has an overtime winner as well and obviously not a game seven overtime winner and Gabrick gets crushed. But you notice, gabrick was on the 100th anniversary banner thing they had.
Speaker 1:He was one of the guys featured on there.
Speaker 2:So he probably will be back. Let me ask you, it's hard.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you Are you going to cheer for Gabrick?
Speaker 2:I'm a Gabrick guy. I'll cheer for Gabrick.
Speaker 1:He shoved it up our ass in 2014.
Speaker 2:He did what he was supposed to do and that's what you do when you get traded. You don't cower like a bunch of schoolgirls hiding from the bully. I mean, he actually manned up and sacked up and actually shoved it up. Our ass.
Speaker 1:What was he?
Speaker 2:Gary Cooper up and actually shoved it up our ass. Most guys do. What was it, gary cooper? He did what. He did what he had to do. Yeah, the strong, silent type. Uh, yeah, that's a good one. Uh, yeah, no, he did what he was supposed to do. You know what I? I never understood that. I'm like, these guys always come back when they play the rangers. They always come back and shove it up our ass, but every time we get a guy we expect them to do the, they never do the opposite. Never, never. So I mean, that's what it is, but to make a long story short, I guess this is all.
Speaker 1:Lafreniere. The Lafreniere conversations would start at this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the lot, listen, I, I just, I just don't. I don't like what I saw out of him last year after he got that contract and again.
Speaker 1:I don't we'll see.
Speaker 2:We'll see if anything changes.
Speaker 1:Do you expect him to be closer to what he was two years ago than this year?
Speaker 2:Well, it depends on how good Panera is, if he stays with Panera, then he should be right. That's a good reason why I'm hoping that he gets it. If he doesn't get power play one time, Sean, I can't see how he's going to put any bigger numbers up than he did that year.
Speaker 1:Okay. So let me ask you this part then, just in specific, talking about Lafreniere, if he's not on power play one and he still has a 60-point season where 95% of it is even strength production, doesn't that still prove to be pretty damn valuable? Yeah, no, it does. I mean listen, because if his numbers were just going to be infl damn valuable?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it is, I mean listen.
Speaker 1:Because if his numbers were just going to be inflated by being on the power play, well, he's not given that opportunity. Then what does it matter?
Speaker 2:His five-on-five production is still good. Here's my thing At some point, as a general manager and as an organization, you have to look at this team. I'm not a GM and I'm not a coach. I'm not an expert, I'm a stupid fan who knows a little bit about the game because I played at a very low level. At some point you got to look at it and say can we win with this guy or should we trade him now, while he's still young, he still has value? Can we get something that can help us win and not get something that's good or even great to help us win right now? It's fair to say that what They've got, what another, maybe a five-year window? I mean Miller's a bit of a jet.
Speaker 1:I think three years Okay. Well, depending on what, they do in free agency in the next two seasons, that's my feeling.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm telling you what I'm saying they somehow land McDavid at some point you have to say to yourself can we win with this guy? Because if they find out that he is nothing without Panarin, they will not get shit for him. If they find out, or the league says he's a product of playing with Panarin, they will not get shit for him. If they find out, or the league says, well, he's a product of playing with Panarin, that's why he scored 60-something points. What did he score that year? 50 points, 49 points, 57?, 57. They find out oh well, panarin left, not playing with Kaprizov, kaprizov's playing with Miller and Zabinijad. Now he's playing with Kaprizov, kaprizov's playing with Miller and Zabinijad, now he's playing with Trocek and Will Cooley, and now he's only putting up 40 points. Right, I mean, that's my opinion. Again, I agree with you.
Speaker 2:I would rather see him play away from Panarin.
Speaker 1:But you want to see that, just to know what he is. Yes exactly To try to win the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe Because I saw. Listen, we saw Trochek away from Panarin. That doesn't help. He's not the same player Is Trochek the same player away from Panarin.
Speaker 1:No, but that's why you have Panarin, that's why you pay Panarin.
Speaker 2:You have Panarin only for one more year To make everyone around him better. What happens after Panarin's gone?
Speaker 1:Then what? He has to be replaced by somebody of that caliber. You have that cap room, so he should be replaced by someone of that caliber. I guess there's no excuse, not to.
Speaker 2:I think Panarin is one of the most underrated players of our generation In the players of our generation in the sense where he can make players, adequate, average guys better, which is something that you and I, as ranger fans, have not seen in what since messier, not jogger maybe maybe jogger jogger made peter pruger a 30 goal scorer.
Speaker 2:so yeah, well, on the power play, to be fair, he didn't play with peter pr. Fair, he didn't play with Peter Pruker. He didn't play with Peter Pruker. I get that, but we've seen we saw Yager turn Michael Nylander into a 70-point player. Martin Stratka, did he have 90? Oh, you're right, he did have 90. Wait, did he have 90? He might have had. He might have had 90, 91 points. No, is it that high? I thought it was 77, but you might be right lander 83, well, 73, 79 and 79, remember he scored 79, 77, 79 one year.
Speaker 2:But he turned that guy. And what was his next best season?
Speaker 1:Nylander other than those two years 64.
Speaker 2:So you're talking about that. To me, that shows that's what a great player is. Yeah, that's what separates a truly great player. Crosby, malkin, mcdavid, um Messier, eisenman, gretzky, lemieux they could turn good NHL players into stars, into all-stars. That is a truly great player. So I mean, I just think that we're going to see when Panarin's gone, we're going to see If he does walk after this season. We're going to see when Panarin's gone, we're going to see if he does walk after this season. We're going to really see whether or not we're going to see how truly great he was if he does leave.
Speaker 1:I don't see them letting him leave those guys aren't gone. The only way that Remember and I forget who it was that brought this up May have been Elliott Panarin picked the Rangers. He doesn't want to leave, Is he?
Speaker 2:willing to take less than $11 million, though. That's the question.
Speaker 1:Well, $11 million next year isn't what $11 million is this year?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they can't bring in kaprizov and and and sign panera.
Speaker 1:I think it's possible. Let me just put it. Let me just put it this way I'm 90 convinced kaprizov is still staying in minnesota because of the so I saw a report that he's harboring over signing bonus and and no move clause, but he wants the money up front. Because of inflation, he wants the money now I don't I don't I didn't, I didn't.
Speaker 2:No one else has reported that. I only saw that in a post, was it?
Speaker 1:no, I thought it was. Uh, was it a pierre lebrun or something like that?
Speaker 2:it's not if you go back and listen to insider trading, it's he doesn't even mention that. Oh, okay, so that's when I questioned the guy, dave, who posted it you know, dave upper, he's very, very on top of stuff, but he wrote that and I said, dave, where was that set? Because I listened to the insider trading, it never mentioned that once. Okay, so maybe that's his opinion or his theory or I don't know, but that's not. It was not stated in the in the actual interview.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but it was not stated in the actual interview. Listen, the one thing that I trust Madison Square Garden with is they will get whatever superstar they want to get If they're available. But it's just a track record my entire life that it's happened, so I almost worry about it.
Speaker 2:When it comes down to it, the thing is now, Sean, with the cap going up, these guys are not moving around as much. That's the other problem. You're getting the second-tier guys that are going to become available. So, mcdavid and Kaprizov, you're going to overpay for those guys You're going to overpay for Kyle Conner, I'm not.
Speaker 1:McDavid and Kaprizov, just using those two guys as an example, or even jack eichel, correct as an example. The only reason that they would leave is they. They want to go play somewhere else. It won't be because of money because, like you said, all 32 teams can pay guys whatever they want next year. There's no team that can't afford to pay a player whatever he wants when they're being given an extra $10 million on the salary cap, every single team can sign one superstar that they can't afford this year. Well, not every team spends the cap, be it in Aaron. The opportunity is there to spend that money and some teams, like you said, have to get to a floor. They're going to have to spend $20 million next year that they didn't have to spend this year just to get to a salary floor. If David is there, you ready?
Speaker 2:You know what's going to happen. Sean you ready, this is going to happen. Clip this for us. We're all going to resign the Rams are going to happen. Sean you ready, this is going to happen. Yep, Clip this for us. They're all going to re-sign the Rangers are going to re-sign Panera and we're going to run back the same exact lineup that we started, the lineup this year. Run it back.
Speaker 1:It's coming, it's coming, it'll be well. Perot will take somebody's spot.
Speaker 2:But the top six guys will be exactly the same. Maybe Perot will find a way to make it into the top nine, but it'll be the same top six guys. And maybe they'll sign a second pairing defenseman to go with Borgen. Or maybe Soucy will have a revelation and they'll give him a five-year $5 million contract. That is your dread. I dread having to come on here and they'll give him a five-year $5 million contract. That is your dread All heart attacks.
Speaker 1:I dread having to come on here the night after Carson Soucy signs a five-year deal.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you right now, Sean, they're going to crush him at the Garden this year. They are going to crush that guy at the Garden this year.
Speaker 1:I don't think people hate him as much as you do I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't think people hate him as much as you do. I don't. I think you're, I don't think you're right, but we'll say, I mean, they don't hate them. They don't hate them as much as they hated roosevelt and and malik I think I.
Speaker 1:I think fans like the quote-unquote, the fans at the garden think they hate, will borgen more than carson souci I don't think they traded I don't think borgen will ever get a fair shot here. I don't think Borgen will ever get a fair shot here.
Speaker 2:I think, and you're not totally wrong and you're not totally wrong, but I also think that fans felt like it was a knee-jerk reaction and even the friends that I deal with in my circle felt that it was a knee-jerk reaction and even even the friends that I deal with in my circle felt that it was a knee jerk reaction signing borgen to a five-year, five million dollar extension off of 13 games or however many games he played, 18 games or however long it was, and it was like I said, it wasn't that time we got to sign them, and I think that's kind of where it all comes from.
Speaker 1:I do think the tackle thing is part of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I said after the trade was made that clearly this was a guy that Drury had targeted for a couple of years, so signing him was secondary. It was a player he wanted on. He envisioned for this roster moving forward when he made the trade, so it wasn't like, let me see what he can do for 13 games. Oh, I'm impressed with these 13 games. Here's five years. It was for the last couple of years. I've wanted to get you here. I have you here. I want, I want you to stay.
Speaker 2:So the, so the range, and I don't disagree with that. So so the Rangers made how many in-season trades did they make? Five. So they traded Truba, they traded Kako. They traded for JT Miller, they traded for Riley Smith and they traded for Carson Soucy. So five trades. Am I missing anybody? Soucy Soucy, riley Smith, jt Miller, truba, kako, no, I think, that's it. Five right, is that right? Five trades you think there's going to be less or more than that this year? Yeah, in-season trades, less or more.
Speaker 1:Less Less because they have less cap room, so less.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, they had no cap room last year. I think the difference was they moved out players and just didn't.
Speaker 1:Well, they moved out the cap. Once they traded Trouba away, they had cap room, correct. I think and this is obviously everything that we say is assuming health that these guys are all going to be healthy. And this is why we'll come down to the debate of Sabanajad better off playing on Miller's wing or is one of the centers? Better off being the third center? And I give you credit for this because, as you have stated since day one that I've known you bringing in big-time players mid-season, it rarely works out the first year. It's usually the second year that it works. That'll start to pay dividends in the postseason. So you lock up your top six now with the guy you know and you could always, if parson this will get to this player, as you know. Later on in the show a little bit maybe after this we'll talk about some of the rookie stuff.
Speaker 1:But noah lava apparently turned a lot of heads in this rookie thing. He's not. He's not 19, 20 years old, he's 22. So he's a four-year college guy. If he's ready, he's ready. He's physically ready. He's big, he's fast, he's tough to play against, he's got offensive ability. Who knows? We're due, we are due, to hit on the fucking center in late rounds? We never. What was the last center that he hit on? The fucking center in late rounds? We never.
Speaker 2:What was the last center they hit on in the late rounds?
Speaker 1:So maybe he gets the Sunini camp, I don't know.
Speaker 2:You're really breaking up. I don't know if you can hear me, oh, I hear you now.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:The last two minutes. Were you able to hear me at all about Lava? I was able to hear you about Lava, but you kind of came in a little garbled.
Speaker 1:So basically I'm saying that we were owed, we are owed a late round center actually panning out for once this franchise.
Speaker 2:We are we're due because we never had one.
Speaker 1:So, Parsons is going to get the first chance, unless Noah Lava goes out there and has an insane camp.
Speaker 2:No. Parsons is getting, he's going to get the shot. He's going to get the first crack at it. Oh, Lindgren. So Rob brought up Lindgren. Lindgren lingren was traded too, so they did six trades.
Speaker 1:I forgot about we are joined by a celebrity, barclay goudreau himself. Wow has joined the chat. Wow, what's up? Eddie, how do you like san jose?
Speaker 2:oh my god. Um, what was I going to say? I agree with you. With Laba, I think there's a chance he might be a mid-season thing, I think. If maybe things start to go south, if Parson doesn't, I think it's Parson will get the first opportunity to lose the job. Obviously, I think it's between him and Brzezinski. I honestly think that it's three guys for one spot. It's Berard Offman and Perrault for that third line wing spot. I honestly think the two centers are a lock. I think Brzezinski and I think Parsons are both making the team.
Speaker 1:Brzezinski just makes the most sense to be the 13th forward because of his versatility, because he can play anywhere he needs to and he can play center and he can play Swiss Army knife players and doesn't need to be in the lineup.
Speaker 2:He's a very good mentor for the young kids and he's good in small doses and he's very good mentor for the young kids and he's good in small doses, right, and he's very good in small doses.
Speaker 1:Him being the 13th forward makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:But Laba, I mean, listen, if he makes a team, then a lot of stuff broke right for him, right. But I would be surprised, Listen, like I said, I would be shocked, absolutely shocked, if he made the team, if any one other than those three, three guys make, make the team, and then obviously I'd be shocked if robertson doesn't make the team right.
Speaker 1:I I really do think it's his job but to the original point of this having mika play in the top six on the wing If you needed to, getting a 3C is a lot easier to get midseason and still make your run in the playoffs.
Speaker 2:You're going to still pay Adremium for a 3C.
Speaker 1:You're still going to pay a second-round pick and plus.
Speaker 2:That's fine, like they did for Wenberg.
Speaker 1:Just get a better player than Wenberg, that's all. Get Charlie Coyle this time, just do it right. Just get a better player than Wimberg, that's all. Get Charlie Coyle this time, just do it right. Point is that you're not replacing someone in the top six. Your top six is going to be set for the season, assuming health, instead of having to try and find the. You know, we saw what a debacle it was when we got Patrick Kane.
Speaker 2:You know, when you mix that much, with the guys that are playing 18 plus minutes a night. Well, I actually thought he had jury, had a great pre, a great trade deadline when he brought in Mikala and Tarasenko. I just thought he went, got carried away, right, right, I think you would. If they would have just left it as Tarasenko, mott and Mikula, I honestly think they would have done better. I think adding Kane created too much turmoil and I know Sean's going to hate me for this, sean McCaff, but he should not have been brought in at that point. Then you started monkeying around with Ryan Carpenter and Braden Schneider sitting on the bench for the whole game and they couldn't play if they got hurt and all this nonsense around it. I'm like too much. Too much Focus about fucking winning. I mean to have to go through all those hoops just to bring this guy in. It was just too much. So listen, I forgot what the point was. But they need to be smarter with whatever they do, plain and simple. I lost my train of thought. Sorry, I'm starting to fade here.
Speaker 2:I didn't watch any of the rookie games. I don't know how anyone played. Not surprising that Morrow and Offman were the standouts, which they sure as shit should have been I mean offman's almost 25 years old, I'm kidding, by the way and morrow played in the playoffs last year. So if those two guys aren't standing out for you, you have bigger problems. I heard gantra was awful and again, I didn't watch. I didn't watch any of it, so I can't really speak to how the guys played and I'm sure even if it was on I wouldn't be able to see anything because the camera angles on those games are awful. But I guess something's better than nothing. Right, excuse me, he froze, excuse me, you froze, you froze you talking about Don Char?
Speaker 2:yeah, you froze for like two minutes.
Speaker 1:You froze for like a minute, yeah yeah, my entire my internet's shot right now. Oh boy, alright, so let's just end it right. So let's just end it because, yeah, if there's, yeah, let's just end it, because my thing is all fucked up.
Speaker 2:We, we did thank you, we did it. We did almost an hour and a half, so we did all right. Thank you all right guys. We will try to get back next week?
Speaker 1:yep, yeah, we'll try and get back to a weekly schedule now. As you know things, should you know, training camp will probably give us something to talk about. We'll have a couple of preseason games to talk about, yeah, and I'll see if we get Steve on for an episode as well. Yeah, that'd be great Before the season. Sounds good. All right, boys. All right, try and get to you next week. We'll see what's going on. All right, sounds good. Good night Later.
Speaker 2:Later.