If Panarin Doesn’t Score, The Rangers Don’t Win

We break down a tense 14-game start marked by strong team defense, a broken power play, and a top six that can’t finish. We weigh patience against change, outline fixes at the net front, and debate whether a bold trade is the reset this core needs.

• Jekyll-and-Hyde form and home shutouts
• Top-six droughts and aging curve realities
• Why net-front skill anchors power-play identity
• Role clarity for Miller, Zibanejad, and Panarin
• Bottom six outperforming expectations
• Carolina’s defensive clinic and momentum swings
• Prospect patience versus savior narratives
• Trade thresholds and cap constraints
• Short-term schedule and realistic record targets
• Historical context and what sustainable winning requires

Chapters

• 0:00 Setting The Stage: 14 Games In
• 2:30 Jekyll-And-Hyde Form And Scoring Woes
• 8:45 Power Play Collapse And Top-Six Accountability
• 16:30 Effort vs Talent: Aging Core Debate
• 23:40 Carolina Loss Autopsy And “Momentum”
• 31:20 Depth Outscoring Stars And Line Shuffles
• 39:10 Net-Front Void Post-Kreider And PP Roles
• 46:55 Trade Philosophy: Hold, Sell, Or Swing Big
• 56:10 Prospect Patience And Cap Constraints
• 1:05:00 Home Atmosphere, Ticket Prices, And Fan Mood
• 1:14:20 Cup Windows, Aging Curves, And Expectations
• 1:23:30 Schedule Crunch And Near-Term Predictions

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:57

Well here we are. Thursday night. Fourteen games in. And Aaron has shaved his head already. Things are in motion. People are up. People are down. Yaroslav Schlimer Schlelomar Schmelimar Malamar, however you want to pronounce his name, he is up. He is the savior of the franchise. We'll see if he uh gets into the lineup during this uh during this stay that he has here. And um yeah, some good, some bad, and everything in between. Rock, how are you on this Thursday night?

SPEAKER_03: 1:35

I am uh I am well from a health standpoint. I can't say my mentality is is very strong right now based off what I've seen from this team. It's like you know, Jekyll and Hyde at its best, man. It really is. It's it's incredible the highs and the lows. You know, one minute you feel you know great. I I think I text you after the Edmonton game, and I was like, you know, I gotta mood today. And then, you know, they follow it up with a Seattle game where, all right, well, you know, they didn't held the team to 12 shots, and uh Joey Dekourt is, you know, Jacques Plant as per usual. And uh they win it in overtime, so you're coming home feeling good. You're like, all right, well, they're playing Carolina. There are no no vengeance for Keandre Miller, you know, no, no more Yesper Fost anymore to kind of shove it up their rear end, no Brady Shea anymore. And five guys, uh five regular players missing from their lineup, and they and they still you know didn't show up after that first 10 minutes of the game. You know, and and I gotta hear Dave Maloney, you know, who I love, Dave, but I mean him blaming the fact that they got two penalties in a row. That's the reason why they lost that game. I mean, he he brought it up more than one time, and I'm and I'm saying, I'm I'm sitting there at myself. I go, you know what, Dave? If they're not good enough to overcome two penalties in a row, then you know what? Fold up the fucking franchise. I mean, seriously. I know he's grasping his straws, I know he's neutered to a certain extent. He can't say how he really feels anymore. I don't think that's the case.

SPEAKER_04: 3:13

I disagree with him.

SPEAKER_03: 3:14

It's just a stupid excuse, lame, dumb, stupid. I can't even think of another word, idiotic. It's not like we we talk about it. I really was like started like, all right, well, you know what? Maybe we've turned a corner, right? And they still can't score, though. It's a problem. 30 second worst power play. Oh, it's putrid. You know, uh five on five balls are the second worst in hockey. You knew this is gonna be a problem, though. We uh is anyone really surprised?

SPEAKER_04: 3:46

Yeah, I'm not guys who have scored their entire careers aren't scoring. That's surprising.

SPEAKER_03: 3:50

Other than Panarin, who's who's really surprising you? Miller's been okay. Who else? Miller's been it, Ed. It's a hundred and ninety, uh, a 90 and 100 point player. And there's only one, though.

SPEAKER_04: 4:02

Okay, but he's who else is surprising you got for surprising you yeah, one goal in 14 games is surprising. No, no, that doesn't surprise me. So you expected him all years eight goals.

SPEAKER_03: 4:13

You you said I didn't expect him, not eight goals, but I'm that's what he's on pace for, so it's surprising. Uh if he was on pace for eight goals, is yes, but do I think he was gonna have this breakout season? No, he didn't. I didn't. I'm sorry. I've moved on, I moved on from a lot of people. I've seen it, I've seen guys quit, I've seen guys fold up shop. I've I've seen I've seen enough.

SPEAKER_04: 4:36

Cannot say that anyone has quit or folded up shop on the show.

SPEAKER_03: 4:38

No, I think the effort's been there. It's the talent's not there. You got a lot of guys on the on the on the on the other end of 30 now who just don't have the the they're not, you know, how many guys, and I and I I don't know if anyone, if you guys haven't didn't listen to my uh I did a Patreon live show yesterday, there are very few guys that go into their mid-30s, mid to late 30s, and are still dominant players.

SPEAKER_04: 5:04

There are very few. These guys are 32, they don't play like they are. How do you feel? Oh god. All right, good good thing we're doing a show tonight.

SPEAKER_03: 5:15

You think Zabinajet's been good? How many pucks did you see? I should have said this on the thing, too. I don't know if you listen to it. He's tailed off, actually. He he's got he was by far the best player. And even Vince brought it up on his show. He was. They were knocked off the puck every chance they got. They weren't fighting, they weren't trying. Um, let me try, maybe I weren't trying. They weren't giving you that little extra that needed to be had for in a game like that.

SPEAKER_04: 5:39

When because I didn't read Vince's article, but he didn't write it.

SPEAKER_03: 5:42

It was on his show. I listened to it on a show. They were separated from the puck. Every chance they got in that third period, they were separated from the puck.

SPEAKER_04: 5:49

Yeah, that was as bad. That was just I it's funny. I don't know whether to give a lot more credit to Carolina for just how disciplined they played. Listen, they knew they were short-handed on the back end, and instead of trying to make plays, they were able to just keep us out. Right. A clinic on how to keep us out.

SPEAKER_03: 6:09

There was nothing, there was no room. But why is it always why is it always the other team that's performing the clinics?

SPEAKER_04: 6:15

I'm saying it's a little bit of both, but you gotta give some credit to the fact that Carolina I guess, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 6:20

So you know what though, coming off the heels of a three-game road trip where you thought they turned the corner, and Valakad said it perfectly, they only had four regulation wins. I mean, uh that's it. I mean, four essentially four regulation wins in 14 games. It's not good enough. They gotta score. If they score what would that record be if they have if they scored three goals every game this year? So essentially, what you're saying is, and which we we've talked about this, I've which I've said, if Panarin doesn't put up points, this team doesn't win.

SPEAKER_04: 6:50

It's it's it's more than just one player because you again you don't have though. It's you don't have Miller, Zabenajad, Miller's an overtime winner and an overtime winner assist. Miller's not putting up point of game point of game numbers, and that's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03: 7:04

I don't know what Miller's point. I don't know what Miller's numbers are.

SPEAKER_04: 7:07

I think he probably has eight points in 14 games or seven points in 14 games.

SPEAKER_03: 7:11

Well, nobody's really scoring, to be fair.

SPEAKER_04: 7:13

Um but he's supposed to be, and Zabenajad's supposed to be. Okay, he is supposed to be. He's supposed to be. He's supposed to be, and they don't have Trochek, obviously.

SPEAKER_03: 7:24

Lafreniere's been a zero. That's the savior now. That's what everyone's glaming as a savior. Oh, no, why are we? But he is a fan base. Oh, we're not winning because Vincent Tro. I mean, if you're not winning because that guy's not in your lineup, you have a big fucking problem.

SPEAKER_04: 7:42

But I mean, it's funny because the the knock on this team coming into the season was they have no depth. And meanwhile, it's the depth, the depth of scoring is doing their part. The the bottom the bottom six is contributing more offense than the top six. Yeah. So, you know, per you know, per minute, if you wanted to go off of that, like they're over overproducing what we thought that they would.

SPEAKER_03: 8:07

Well, Radish is, I mean, to be fair, he has five goals. Um, but you're not getting anything out of Cooley, which, you know, I mean, you to say you're shocked about that, I I'm a little surprised, but I'm not shocked. I mean, we have seen guys do that before where they've had a great, a better, you know, decent rookie season, and then they they kind of tail off a little bit, even though this is technically this is a junior season, not his sophomore season.

SPEAKER_04: 8:32

He had a but he was sick and he had a uh a few bad games when he was sick. The last four or five games has been fine. It's funny how you say JT Miller's doing fine, but Will Cooley's been a zero when Cooley has six points and Miller has eight. Well, Cooley has is on a four-game point streak, too.

SPEAKER_03: 8:50

Because he's playing much better now, right? He is playing better. Yeah. Um, I I guess because I guess in the on uh it's like saying Panarin has seven points, but he has four of them in one game. I mean, you could again, I guess you can look at the points and say you're right. I mean, like last year, when you and I, it's funny, you when you you look at the points and you're like, all right, they're having a decent, they're having a good season. But when you and I last year looked at La Fronnier's points since he scored, since he had the contract, you're like, oh, he's had eight points in ten games. That's not bad. And but I sometimes it's misleading. Sometimes the points are misleading. That they're they're empty calorie points, but for a team that doesn't score, I guess that's a good I guess.

SPEAKER_04: 9:34

There's no such thing as empty calorie points on a team that doesn't score.

SPEAKER_03: 9:37

Correct.

unknown: 9:37

Correct.

SPEAKER_04: 9:38

And I haven't noticed that with Cooley. I mean, Cooley's he's played well the last the last uh week or so. Um I got no complaints about him. That the the the big glaring, what the fuck is going on is is La Frenier, and to a lesser extent Sabenajad the last week. It's funny, since the team actually went on that little bit of winning streak, Zabbenajad's game has gone south. He got off to a hot. I I felt a hot start the first eight or nine games. Not a hot start scoring-wise, but just you know, watching him play. Yeah. And it's um again, I I I'm glad that he's been moved. It's funny, they're they're kind of moving Miller, I guess, to the wing and letting Zabed and Jad play center on that line. I wonder if that has a lot more to do with uh Miller's groin issue than anything else. You know, maybe take some of the pressure off of him.

SPEAKER_03: 10:30

If he's that hurt that he can't play his position, why is he playing? Because what's going on? I mean, we're we're 14 games into the season. You want Johnny Brzezinski up there? I I mean, but my point is, is like what what are we doing? I mean, we're playing hurt players again. Are we doing this again? Every team does. These guys don't want to sit. Who wants to sit? Guys are hurt though. So they're hurt, they're not in the playoffs, Sean. I know we want we listen, we wanna, we wanna, it's it's a double-edged sword, and I guess you want him out a month.

SPEAKER_04: 11:01

You want to rest a month?

SPEAKER_03: 11:02

I I if he's injured and he can't give you 100%. Yeah, I do want him out a month.

SPEAKER_04: 11:06

But you're happy with the way he's playing, you said.

SPEAKER_03: 11:09

So then he's not but you so you're the one that's saying he's not putting up any points, though. He's a point-a game player, he's not putting up a point again play.

SPEAKER_04: 11:16

He'd be even better if he was a hundred percent. He'd be better if he was able to bury these passes that he's being given on the far public.

SPEAKER_03: 11:22

They're shooting everything in the goalies' chest. I mean, it it's like they must have like a puck magnet in there because I'm sorry, the Kachekov and DeCord, they didn't make very hard saves. You want to say in the beginning of the season that Charlie Lindgren stole that game? Agreed. Stolars to a lesser degree, agreed. But these goalies that are winning these games, uh, Dustin Wolf the other night or or DeCord or or what the fuck was his name? Uh who played the game.

SPEAKER_04: 11:52

See, Wolf, I thought Wolf, I thought, stole the game. I I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03: 11:55

I don't think he wasn't great though, Shorty. I didn't did he make make any great side to side saves, or was everything in his friggin' stomach?

SPEAKER_04: 12:05

I can't remember the player, but he 100% made one that was side to side. He made a skate save on somebody, and I can't remember who.

SPEAKER_03: 12:12

I can't remember the exact but not to the extent that the other like Stolars and Lingren played. Not that where those two guys stole, I mean they literally stole the game. Yeah, and I don't know, but I don't know. Gustafson wasn't challenged either. He wasn't challenged. That was a bad game. Yeah, that they they put up a dud that night.

SPEAKER_04: 12:29

There's zero.

SPEAKER_03: 12:36

I'll tell you right now, I'm so happy I did not go with you to that Carolina game. Because I will tell you this, and I told you this. If I had witnessed my third straight shutout, because I was at Edmonton and I was at the home opener.

SPEAKER_04: 12:48

You were done for the year.

SPEAKER_03: 12:49

I was done for the season. I'm doing and you think I'm lying to you. I am 100% would not have gone to another game for the rest of the year. I wouldn't have gone to Cry tonight, which I'm planning on going to. I would be done for this season. In my history, I've been season tickets for 22 years. I've never been, and I used to go to 30, 40 games a year. 35, no, maybe never 40, maybe 40, maybe like 38. I think there was one year I went to 38 games early in my career, early in my tenure, and when I didn't have a wife or a girlfriend or anything. I had never been to back-to-back shoutouts in 21 years of being a season ticket hole. Never. Back-to-back shoutouts, especially back-to-back shoutouts to start a season. Never. Never. Maybe, maybe Connor. I might be the best up channel. Maybe. Maybe I have to start being maybe start being optimistic, like you. Maybe we both need to like kind of turn the turn the mojo around somewhere.

SPEAKER_04: 13:47

You see. Um, I want that. I just want to comment on what you said about Dave, because that's I've seen other people comment about this also. Um, about the whole uh the two power that they had a great 10 minutes and then back-to-back penalties. Right, right. But he said it more than once. Because it did it it changed the tenor of the game. And it's not this listen, it's a I've said a thousand times. Excuse me, guys. It's a game of runs. We had all momentum. We we had them hemmed in the zone the first 10 minutes. Of course, I wasn't able to watch it until later on. First periods. I don't get to watch these first periods at these seven, these uh seven seven o'clock starts. I put my daughter to sleep at that time. So she goes to bed at seven o'clock. 7:30. So but the whole the whole routine starts at 7:15. I got chores.

SPEAKER_03: 14:36

I got chores, Rock. My kids are in bed at eight, unfortunately, and they still have still up at six o'clock in the morning. If anyone has any advice about how to keep get kids asleep late at 8 a.m., by all means, I'm willing to pay big money to you to tell me how to keep my kids asleep till eight o'clock in the morning. Sorry, finish. I'm sorry, finish your thought. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04: 14:56

Um about Dave. Yeah, about Dave. So they dropped the runs. Yeah, that they take the two penalties, and that it it takes you out of your rhythm. And give Carolina credit once again, they capitalized on that and they were able to flip it. I still thought they they were all right the rest of the first period. I thought they still played a pretty even game in the second period. Only two shots after that. I know if they kept shooting wide or they would have a three on one, like but they had the puck. So it's it's strange. It's it's really just strange.

SPEAKER_03: 15:31

Like I said, just when you thought you've seen everything as a Ranger fan, right? I mean, I mean, we're we're go we're in historic. We're in uh 1943-44, where they went, where they where they were players away at war when they've had this worst, this bad of a season. I mean, we're going back to World War II. That's how bad. That's how bad they've been. That we're going back to like the real doldrum. I mean, that when they were really bad. When people were away fighting for our country, that's how bad this team is. I mean, it's in it's remarkable what we're seeing at home. At home. Let me rephrase that. I apologize. At home. It's uh it's really remarkable what we're saying, and it goes back again to the mental fortitude of the core of this team. I'm sorry. It it it just it and it reeks of the same players doing the same thing and gripping the stick too tight. And who is it again? It's La Frenier looking up at the heavens and sucking wind after missing in a golden opportunity. It's Mika, you know, going to the bench with a dejected, mopey, you know, droopy dog face on after he either shot the puck wide or he fanned on it or he broke his stick. Or it's Panarin, who again, again, I hate to keep quoting Vince, but he made a very good point that that I that I've noticed as well, which I meant to bring up the last time. Panarin's not smiling this season. He doesn't look happy. Now, I don't know if it's the contract, I don't know if it's a lot of things. It could be Father Time started to catch up to him. I mean, they're like I said, there's there's things you can do up until a certain point in your life, like you and I talk about all the time about working out and about dieting and all the things. You know, you hit a certain age, you can't do the same things you did when you were 25. Like, we can't do the same things we did when we were 35. Right. So he doesn't look like he's having a great time. And you can see him out there, he's miserable, he's not smiling, he's dejected, and and maybe that's a good thing. Maybe at least you could say, like, well, this guy's freaking smiling and laughing, and and this team is losing. So you could take it from both ends of the spectrum, but it's a problem. It's this, and it's the same guys. I mean, Fox is good to start the season offensively, defensively, him and Gabrikoff have been great.

SPEAKER_04: 17:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 17:49

And I said that, and I said that yesterday on the on the Patreon uh group. I have no qualms or problems at their defensive uh team game at all. Their six defensemen have been fantastic. So if they can just freaking score. And we're going back to 2000, we're going back to 2000, what was it, the year after the lockout, where if Jagger didn't score, that team didn't win games. Am I right? I mean, we're back to that. I mean, if if if if Panarin doesn't score goals, this team doesn't win. And they need to figure out a way to to inject something into this lineup. That's and I don't think it's gay perot. And if everyone wants to say that, and I'm a gay perot supporter, you don't make this guy be the savior of this team. It is a bad, it is a bad idea. Because if he comes up and falls on his face, this fan base will eat this kid alive. Let him stay down there, let him cook until until January. Let him keep playing great. Did you finish your point on Dave?

SPEAKER_04: 18:56

Or go trade for Jordan Cairo.

SPEAKER_03: 18:58

Yeah, that's what's the story with that?

SPEAKER_04: 19:00

I mean, I know he got healthy scratched.

SPEAKER_03: 19:02

I know, I saw that. I mean, uh, how old is he?

SPEAKER_04: 19:07

Not old enough for me to stay away.

SPEAKER_03: 19:09

I know, but what are you giving up? You're giving La Frenier for him?

SPEAKER_04: 19:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 19:12

I'm not giving up La Frenier for him.

SPEAKER_04: 19:14

You're already in mind. God, 30.

SPEAKER_03: 19:17

Not for him. 30 goals, how many times in a row now? I know that, Sean, but you know, again, we're always selling it on a guy that is. You know, this reminds me a lot. Hey, this reminds me a lot of Alexei Kovalev in a lot of ways. We held on to Kovalev. We didn't trade him for Bory when he was in his prime. We didn't trade him for Mulgilney when he was in his prime, for Solani, for Keith Kachuk. We just held him and held him and held him. Who do we trade him for? Peter Nedved, who was a very good ranger, who I'm a big fan, was a big fan of. But he's not nearly as talented as the five other guys I just mentioned, who are probably all Hall of Famers.

SPEAKER_05: 19:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 19:56

Stop. That's the problem with this team. They constantly hold on to guys until they don't have any value any longer.

SPEAKER_04: 20:02

So you wouldn't want to trade him for a guy who's had 36, 31, and 37 goals the last three years. How old is he, though? 27. And he can fly.

SPEAKER_03: 20:13

I know. I I guys like that scare.

SPEAKER_04: 20:16

He's one of the fastest skaters in the league, Cairo.

SPEAKER_03: 20:18

I am not disputing that. I would have to really think about that.

SPEAKER_04: 20:23

My answer was.

SPEAKER_03: 20:24

Was he on their cup team? Cairo?

SPEAKER_04: 20:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 20:27

He was. I don't know. St. I feel like when we I'm so scared to do a deal with St. Louis. I'm not gonna lie to you. Because that is a flea. I mean, I I honestly don't believe that Drew will ever make a trade with St. Louis again.

SPEAKER_04: 20:45

Oh no, he was not on the cup team. He came the next year.

SPEAKER_03: 20:47

Yeah. I mean, I I would be very reluctant to make a trade with uh with St. Louis again after that Buch Nevis trade. Um I mean they did they did make the the Terrassenko trade after that, too. So they do have a relationship. It is a distinct possibility. I would be surprised though. I would trade him in a deal for Robertson. I know Manny Malholtra. It's coming. It's coming. We didn't get into our draft. I I think that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_04: 21:15

Manny gets mentioned every show up.

SPEAKER_03: 21:17

Every show because it is because that they said that he was going to score 30 goals. I mean, well, he changed the podcast to 15 and juniors.

SPEAKER_04: 21:25

Should change the podcast to waiting for Manny Malholtra.

SPEAKER_03: 21:29

Talk about holding on to prospects. That's what we do. We hug our prospects until they're worthless. You know, I mean, you look at a team, you look at, you know, obviously we didn't have a Hubertot, or we didn't have you see these teams that we didn't have a Seth Jones. Those trades, you know, those are the you need to make trades like that. I mean, one way or another. And they never do. They just keep holding on to these guys and holding on and praying and hoping. It's not just one regime. We've done it forever. We've done it forever. It does it's it's not just Sayther, it's not just Neilson did it. You know, for Bob Bobby Carpenter. You know, Bobby Carpenter had a great career.

SPEAKER_04: 22:14

Who they traded.

SPEAKER_03: 22:18

Who they traded, who said Marcel Dion. For two years of Marcel Dion, Bobby Carpenter went on and played what 15 years?

SPEAKER_05: 22:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 22:25

He wasn't as great as his draft pick. Was he first overall, right?

SPEAKER_04: 22:30

First or second.

SPEAKER_03: 22:31

He might have been third. Third overall. Listen, Bobby Carpenter, what played didn't even play one season for the Rangers.

SPEAKER_04: 22:38

Played 28 games.

SPEAKER_03: 22:41

Yeah, I mean, it would have been a decent trade if they would have held on to him.

SPEAKER_04: 22:44

Rocky was in minus 11, Rock.

SPEAKER_03: 22:46

Career for the Rangers. Oh, that was a big I think that was that a good what year was that? 86, 87, or 87, 88?

SPEAKER_04: 22:52

86, 87.

SPEAKER_03: 22:54

Yeah. Because I remember Dion's first season. That was the first year I started watching. Or I remember watching.

SPEAKER_04: 23:01

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 23:02

But uh, yeah, you never know with these guys. I mean, that's the thing I loved. I mean, you gotta loved. We grew up, we're very fortunate for all the younger listeners who we reminisce a lot about this, about those big trades for multiple players that you just will never see again. I mean, I I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about the the cov about again, about the Kovalev trade. You know, it was Kovalev. It was um, it was a bunch of guys. It was um uh when they got Kovalev back, actually. That was the one I was thinking of. When they got Kovalev back and they traded Michael Samuelson and they got Chris Tamer. It was like six, it was like a 12-player trade when it all was said that uh Bouchard was in that trade and um a bunch of guys. But you you don't see things like that anymore, and and you don't see trades any you don't see big trades. And if this team has waited to the trade deadline to make any moves, uh to me, I think they're gonna be out of it by then. You know, I I mean they made a lot of in-season trades last year, but I I I don't know. I I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna see that again. There's not many guys that can really move though. And that's the problem. They're not, they're not that many guys that you can that you can move. I mean, a lapreniere trade to me, I don't think that happens until the off-season.

SPEAKER_04: 24:25

Why the offseason?

SPEAKER_03: 24:27

I just think cap-wise, it might be hard to move to move certain guys to move him, unless you're moving for another big salary cap player. I don't know what Cairo's contract is. I think he's right around the same. And I question what is Cairo what's he healthy scratch for? Because he was late to practice. That we need another guy that I mean, do we need another problem? I'm not saying he's a problem, but do we need you know, a guy that isn't team first type of person? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I'm I don't know anything about him. I'm just throwing out there speculation. I don't want another guy that's a headache or distraction. Um it's so hard, Sean, because you know, you look at this team and you and you want to like the guys, like you, you want to like you want to like Parsonan. He shows flashes, and there's certain aspects of his game that are that are very enjoyable to watch. And and you you want to like Radish because you know he's you know he's gritty and he does certain things, but I mean they're not winning with these guys. Khanashiri, they're not winning with any of these guys. And what are we doing? Is it about winning a championship?

SPEAKER_04: 25:35

Or is it funny how you mentioning you're mentioning guys that are playing in the bottom six, which like I said, they're they're for the most part winning their shifts.

SPEAKER_03: 25:45

If the top six was scoring, none of them maybe, but maybe if maybe Cooley then would be on the third line if you had better top six guys. I mean, those guys are playing, and I'm not saying they're playing poorly, but maybe you could shift other guys down, give those play other players better favorable matchups.

SPEAKER_04: 26:06

Well, if Lava's gonna stick on as a two C and he should. Then Chocek comes back.

SPEAKER_03: 26:13

Well, just so you know, you mentioned before Ed Shrim looks like he's getting scratched. Yeah, which I'm I mean he hasn't been as good as he's been was the first five games of the season. He's been a little he's been a little invisible, right? He hasn't been as good as he was those first five games, where Carrick's kind of sustained his tenacity, right? He's kind of tailed off a little bit. And again, with we're pulling our young players out of the lineup to play Johnny Brodzinski and if it's for a game or two, it's not a big deal.

SPEAKER_04: 26:48

I know, Sean, but I mean, really 82-game season. If he's gonna play 70 games, I think I'm all right with that.

SPEAKER_03: 26:53

Well, Bradzinski played the most he's ever played was last season in the sea at 30 something, at 31 years old. Right. Was the most games he's ever played.

SPEAKER_04: 27:01

What if it's uh Schlemer?

SPEAKER_03: 27:04

Well, he you know he's playing. I I I want to see the kid play. I'm actually intrigued to see him play. Was he in the lineup? He's in the lineup on the on the fourth line.

unknown: 27:13

See?

SPEAKER_03: 27:15

I want to see him play, but not at the expense of Ed Shrim.

SPEAKER_04: 27:19

Well, at the expense of who?

SPEAKER_03: 27:22

I think Sherry out for a game.

SPEAKER_04: 27:24

Sherry's been good.

SPEAKER_03: 27:26

He's not putting up any points, though.

SPEAKER_04: 27:29

It's not all just about points, my man.

SPEAKER_03: 27:31

When you can't score when you're worse than the lead intentions.

SPEAKER_04: 27:36

Okay. Intentions.

SPEAKER_03: 27:38

At some point, Sean is gonna have to score some goals, though.

SPEAKER_04: 27:41

He's not gonna have to.

SPEAKER_03: 27:42

Yeah. The only person I know that played almost a full season that didn't score one single goal was Daryl Powell. That's the last guy I remember. No, sure, he's got a goal, does he not? Zero. Maybe a preseason. Not in the regular season. Zero. I think he has like three or four assists.

SPEAKER_04: 28:04

Yeah, four assists. Your boy Nick Ehlers.

SPEAKER_03: 28:08

Knew that was coming.

SPEAKER_04: 28:12

He comes back.

SPEAKER_03: 28:13

That was coming. I've said it a million times. You want you want to break a streak, you want to score your first NHL goal, you play the Rangers. It is a foregone fucking conclusion.

SPEAKER_04: 28:27

The New York footnotes.

SPEAKER_03: 28:28

They're amazing. It's it it's it's borderline embarrassing. Like it's really starting to become like they're starting to become a little bit of a laughing stock in a sense, based off of they are though, Sean. I mean, come on, be honest. I mean, take the Ranger colored glasses off for a minute, but they are they're becoming a joke. I mean, it's a joke what we're seeing. What we saw last year, what we've seen this year at home. It's it's embarrassing. You know, you could be in the past, all right, they weren't good, but you know, at least they were collecting, they were collecting other teams stars and pissing off other other teams, and they weren't good. But now now they're just they're nothing.

SPEAKER_04: 29:12

Again, uh I'm still I'm still writing uh the captain's the captain's lines here. Where the process is there, they're getting they're creating the chances, the opportunity. I mean, not in the third period against Carolina, obviously, but overall through 14 games, they're still playing really good hockey, and they just haven't reaped the benefits of their efforts. So Pucks gotta bounce the other way. I mean, they've been shut up four times in what seven games at home? They played seven home games or six?

SPEAKER_03: 29:45

They've been shut out six. Well, they no, because they will scored one goal against Minnesota.

SPEAKER_04: 29:49

They've been shut off four times at home, right?

SPEAKER_02: 29:51

Four times at home, and then the six five game against San Jose. Right. So that those are the only games they've scored.

SPEAKER_04: 29:58

One goal against Minnesota, correct. So four games out of six, they've been shut out. You gotta tell me that that's gonna be the norm for the season?

SPEAKER_03: 30:06

That they're gonna play no but it's 41 home games and be shut out 30. I don't think they might not they might not get shut out, but I the home but the home crowd, and listen, you and I have been at the garden where it's it's a morgue.

SPEAKER_04: 30:20

Well, I went to the San Jose game, it wasn't a morgue. I saw that.

SPEAKER_03: 30:25

You score 11 goals. I mean, that's I'm I'm just saying we I'm just saying we have been to games where it has been. It's been bad.

SPEAKER_04: 30:33

And uh, you know, well nothing's quieter than game seven against Tampa. That's still the quietest that that building has ever been.

SPEAKER_03: 30:40

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. Hank brought that game up. He brought up that game, he brought up another game on like they asked. Oh, uh, what's his name? Asked you a question. Fucking coop. John Cooper asked Hank that question. John Cooper? He asked, he goes, I want to ask you guys a question. And he goes, Hank, and he brought up he brought it up eloquently, but I still think it was a dig. Because he knew the answer. No, he he said it was the Tampa game and it was another game. I can't remember. I'm gonna try to find it and I'll send it to you.

SPEAKER_04: 31:16

Okay, um, it was on Twitter, though the quietest that the building's ever been.

SPEAKER_03: 31:20

No, uh what his emotions were the emotions like? And it was two two different scenarios. That was one of the games. I don't remember the other one was. So uh I'm gonna try to find it and I'll send it to you. And we'll try to put I'll try to post it in the group if I can find it. Yeah, but uh it um it's been bad. I mean, it it's so funny. Like even but if you think about it, even the games that they've won, they've had to absolutely scratch. I mean, other than the Pittsburgh game, which I think they won 5-1. Yeah, they've had every game's been a nail biter.

SPEAKER_04: 32:01

I mean, everyone's trying to that truthfully though, that's the style they're trying to play. They're trying to play a defensive game where every goal matters. They're not trying to play a game that's wide open where they're gonna beat teams 5-1. That's not what that's not what they're trying to do. That's not their game plan. They're trying to win 2-1 games because they feel that if they get to the playoffs, this style is their chance to try and win. Listen, we we won a president's trophy with an unbelievable offense. What'd it get us? It got us as far as we can go. We couldn't, we couldn't play, you know, back down the hatches defense and and and advance past the conference final. Um I'm with you, but they're going to have to score some goals. They're gonna score the power play needs to needs to improve.

SPEAKER_03: 32:50

Well, they did take um they did take um Lafreniere off the first power play.

SPEAKER_04: 33:00

Yeah, I saw that, but who they're calling up there. Okay, which means that they're gonna finally, finally take JT Miller out of the out of the middle, out of the net front presence. They're gonna put him on the half wall where he belongs. Right. Miller did not play in the front of the net in Vancouver. He played it up top. He played Panarin's position essentially in the power play.

SPEAKER_03: 33:20

You know, it people, I think, and and again, this is not just because he has six goals on the season, but I really think people are starting to realize how great Chris Kreider was, especially on the power play. I mean, he has been um, he was I think the the main reason why their power play was so lethal. Because he knew how to play that front non that net front presence, and he was he was a weapon in a lot of different ways, whether he was off to the side of the net, whether he was high, you know, he knew how to screen the goalie. I and I really believe that that's really been their Achilles heel because they were never a good five-on-five scoring team. And now that their power play doesn't score, well, now they're not scoring at all. So, and you take you took essentially 20 some odd goals out of the lineup and you didn't replace it. You did, you took 20 goals out of the lineup and said, okay, between Taylor Raddish and Connor Shiri, who they didn't even have Connor Shiri locked into a contract. So they were going into the season, essentially telling Taylor Raddish you have to pick up whenever Kreider didn't score. Or whoever was going to be on the other wing. Essentially. Because they didn't replace his production.

SPEAKER_04: 34:44

Well, they were they were promoting Cooley and were hoping to get more than the 18 goals. He still played 17 minutes a night. See, to me, it's 22. Okay, but it matters to me how many minutes guys play, more than what what line they're on. He still didn't replace his offense. Right, but the thought was we're gonna give we're gonna expand the roles of La Ferniere, we're gonna expand the role of of Cooley, and their production's gonna come up.

SPEAKER_03: 35:12

So you thought Cooley was gonna Cooley scored how many goals last year? 22?

SPEAKER_04: 35:16

18.

SPEAKER_03: 35:17

No, didn't he score over 20?

SPEAKER_04: 35:19

He had 20 two years ago.

SPEAKER_03: 35:21

Not La Frenier, Cooley.

SPEAKER_04: 35:22

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03: 35:23

Cooley only had 18 goals last year? I thought he scored over 20.

SPEAKER_04: 35:27

No, you're right. Adam mixed up. Yes, he had 20. And La Fournier had 18, correct?

SPEAKER_03: 35:32

Sounds about right. Okay. So you were telling me that Cooley was gonna score 30 goals this year. Because what did Crider have? How many goals did Cryder have last year?

SPEAKER_04: 35:42

22.

SPEAKER_03: 35:43

So Cooley was gonna score 10 more goals, and La Farnier was gonna score 12 more goals. Because now La Fournier was getting the first power play time.

unknown: 35:51

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 35:51

So LaFarnier was gonna score 30, and Cooley was gonna score 30.

SPEAKER_04: 35:55

25 to 30 in that range. That's what I expected.

SPEAKER_03: 36:00

I think that's lost.

SPEAKER_04: 36:01

But I expected Zabana Jad to pick it up more. I expected Miller to be here all year. Right, but expected to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03: 36:08

I don't ever think I don't ever think, and and again, I think we've seen the end of all of these by his play, all of these players scoring what we thought they were gonna score. I don't think you're ever gonna see Panera score 100 points again. I don't think you're ever gonna see Miller score 100 points again. I don't think you're ever gonna see um Zabinajet scored 75 points again. You're not gonna ever see Trochek course 77 points again. Those days are gone.

SPEAKER_04: 36:38

I think a five-year rut of not winning. What's that? Then we're about to go into a five-year run of not winning.

SPEAKER_03: 36:46

Probably those guys, I do not believe that you get better at 32 years old.

SPEAKER_04: 36:52

Let's go, Mets. Get the Met hat on. Hold on.

SPEAKER_03: 36:54

If you're being sarcastic, you're being honest. I mean, be fair. Because you the two last week you were all out, and I know you got all back in, but be fair. You honestly believe that all of these plays, all of them, all five of these guys, are going to hit their career highs ever again.

SPEAKER_04: 37:10

No, but they don't need that to win a cup.

SPEAKER_03: 37:13

So what are they? What do you what do you figure each of those players need to score for this team to win a championship?

SPEAKER_04: 37:18

Panarin's got to get to 90. And Miller and Zabenajet have to get between 75 and 85. Those are the three guys I can't uh that I'm counting on.

SPEAKER_03: 37:29

But I need La Fournier to be more from your other depth.

SPEAKER_04: 37:31

There's no I need La Fournier to get to 60 and not 35.

SPEAKER_03: 37:35

I want you to do me a favor. Pull up the president's trophy team. How many of those guys scored over 60 points?

SPEAKER_04: 37:41

But I'm not worried about that team because I'm not playing that style of hockey anymore. But you still got to put up points. Not like that. I don't need to put up points like that. That that team didn't play defense. They didn't. That team went freewheeling offense, and Igor will pick up the rest. And then they tried that again last year.

SPEAKER_03: 38:00

You're the one that also told me, and you've said this multiple times, I don't want to play these tight games because when the playoffs come, they've been playing playoff hockey now for the whole season, and then they're going to be exhausted and tired. You said that about Carolina. Well, you said that about Carolina. You're right. I don't remember the context. I remember that as I was saying it to myself. And Carolina loses gas. So you're saying to me that they could play this style just the way Carolina's played for five years and never get past the Eastern Conference Finals. Or never get past the East Cup front.

SPEAKER_04: 38:31

Carolina doesn't have a Panarin. Carolina doesn't have an Igor, and Carolina doesn't have a Fox. Carolina doesn't have who I you know who I thought Subvenir, uh, not to uh La Fernier would be. But you know, Sebastian Aho is their offense. And Svetnikov. Svetchikov has been awful. This year has been awful. Yeah. So uh but I'm saying they've never. If you put Igor on Carolina, you gotta have some laughers.

SPEAKER_03: 39:00

Yeah, every game you're gonna be 2-1.

SPEAKER_04: 39:02

That's what they're trying to do. Three to two, two to one. Then, but they're not trying to score five goals every game, they're not playing open enough to do that.

SPEAKER_03: 39:14

But they're also not talented enough.

SPEAKER_04: 39:17

I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with it. Because that they've had every every bounce of puck luck go against them so far to start this year. And listen, you create your own puck luck. So I'm not sitting here saying it's you know, woe is me. Okay, give me give me a regression to the mean. I believe in that.

SPEAKER_03: 39:36

Give me the save that Kochek got. My recall is not your recall. We just saw the game. Give me the save in the first period. Did you watch the first do you go back and watch the first period against Carolina?

SPEAKER_04: 39:45

Yes, you did.

SPEAKER_03: 39:46

They shot it in the chest one game. They shot in his chest every time. Okay, so give and then give it. So then give me, let me give you another example. An easy one. Uh, you said Dustin Wolf.

SPEAKER_04: 39:56

Did you let me ask you a question? Let me ask you a question. Did you hear um Elliot Friedman with Johnny Lazarus?

SPEAKER_03: 40:02

Yes, I did. They're not gonna rebuild, they can't, they they have talking about that part of it.

SPEAKER_04: 40:06

I'm talking about so Lazarus brought up and he goes, because they were talking about Panarin, just to go into that one. So so Friedman thinks that the con the lack of contract, everyone else's all these other UFAs have all been signed, right? And Panarin hasn't. And I you know, because the the writing's on the wall. Hey, if you want to take a short-term contract or you want to take a pay cut, then we can how stupid would he be to not be playing better?

SPEAKER_03: 40:33

I mean, you you're playing yourself out of the city. It's not on purpose.

SPEAKER_04: 40:36

It's not on purpose.

SPEAKER_03: 40:37

It didn't seem to mind it in Carroll. It didn't when did he score his his last season in Columbus? Didn't he have a career year?

SPEAKER_04: 40:45

He played well. But he knew he was gonna be the bell of the ball. I don't know how he feels going into this one.

SPEAKER_03: 40:51

He's gonna be the bell of the ball. Who's who's better than him on the free agent market? He's 34, he's not 27. He made it my point, but that that's his fault. That's his fault. He should be saying, I've made my money, and I know I'm 34 years old. Why do you why did he make 11 million dollars again? Don't you want to win a championship?

SPEAKER_04: 41:10

This is the last contract he's ever gonna sign in his life.

SPEAKER_03: 41:12

That's why I'm fully aware of that, Sean. And you know what? Jim Dolan, I'm sure I'm sure Dim Dolan loves him. I'm sure he'll make him an ambassador and give him a job if in the in the organization if he wants it.

SPEAKER_04: 41:24

He's not staying in this country, he might.

SPEAKER_03: 41:27

The Russians like you know, Brighton Beach and stuff. He can he can go back and forth.

SPEAKER_04: 41:31

He has Yarmir Yagar made his first appearance as a civilian.

SPEAKER_03: 41:37

Well at MSG. To be fair, I mean he had been playing for a long time, too. I think it held up. There's a lot of guys who don't come back. Resty hasn't been back.

SPEAKER_04: 41:49

That was the first time we ever got to honor him.

SPEAKER_03: 41:51

Has Gretzky been back?

SPEAKER_04: 41:53

Yeah, of course he has.

SPEAKER_03: 41:54

Uh he's he's been at the garden for a game. Maybe one time now that now that you're he was at all the number retirements. No, he wasn't.

SPEAKER_04: 42:02

For his teammates, he was. He was at Leech and Messier's and Richter. Uh, not Richter, he was at Leech and Messier's. Uh I don't think he was there, Sean. I don't think he did a video. No. I don't think there's no way he wasn't at Mark Messier's number retirement. There's no chance. I had the game on tape. I'll look at it. I don't think he was there. I don't think he was there in person. You remember Messier came back to MSG as a Vancouver Canuck. It's for his retirement, but I don't think that's a good one. No, no, no. Yeah, for Gretzky's last game was correct.

SPEAKER_03: 42:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 42:34

In the NHL. I don't, I don't think there's no way. Anyone in the chat if they if they I'm telling you he wasn't there.

SPEAKER_03: 42:44

I'm telling you he wasn't there.

SPEAKER_04: 42:46

You could probably pull up because they bought out the whole 914 for Messier's. It's been in the game where Wayne Gretzky has been put on the jumbo.

SPEAKER_03: 42:52

Maybe he was at a game. I'll give you that. But he was not at Messier's retirement night. I can tell you that much.

SPEAKER_04: 42:57

I'm saying I know for a fact that I've stood and applauded him when they put him on the jumbotron at a remote.

SPEAKER_03: 43:02

Maybe he has been for there for a game. Um anyway, I forgot what we're talking about. Oh, that Yagger. This was well, Jagger. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's about time he came back and and and and you know, we got some roses thrown at him, but he also left and played for 700 teams after he left. I get that. Shouldn't never have left. Whose fault was that? Again, money. Was it Rangers? Didn't want to pay him. Yeah, he left to go to Russia for more money. The Rangers did not want to pay him at the time, the cap wasn't high.

SPEAKER_04: 43:39

Remember, his back was fucked up, and now that whole last year that he was here, the whole last year that was a man.

SPEAKER_03: 43:45

He wanted more money. If you go back and look at it, and that there was the whole thing where if Jagger had, and if you remember, Washington was paying half of Yaga's salary, right? That was the contingent. So Yagger was making$10 million in theory, but the Rangers were paying 50% of it. If Jagger had won the heart trophy, which he should have won over Joe Thornton, which was a fucking joke. Correct. That's a fucking joke that he won the heart trophy, that Joe Thornton won the heart trophy. Even Thornton said Jagger should have won it over him, which I thought was a classy thing, he said. Even the players voted that Jagger should have won the heart trophy. There was an option that would have kicked in for that next season for that following season at that money. Right. But because it didn't, they would have had to pay him whatever, and it would they think they're paying him like four and a half million or five million at the time. And Jagger wanted eight, nine million dollars. You're not paying similar situations to what we're dealing with, Panarin. You're not paying a 30-something-year-old player. He's 34. I mean, what do you think? I mean, look at Stamkos. I mean, I mean, that's a perfect example. I mean, he's toast. And he was good that year before, right? The year before he signed. He had a great year, didn't he?

SPEAKER_04: 45:10

Yeah, he had 40 goals.

SPEAKER_03: 45:11

And he went to, and he's in Nashville. I know Nashville isn't good, but he went to Nashville and he went there for the most money, and he's awful. And now all those teams, Rangers included, who were very interested in him, were all sitting back like, oof, we dodged that bullet. And I'm telling you right now, whoever gets Panera, if Panera wants to go to a crap team to make$12 million a year, I don't want a guy like that on my team. I don't want a guy that's all about the money. And Panero wasn't about the money. So you want to trade him? I don't want to trade him, but I think they were going to have to trade him if this keeps going in the direction it's going.

SPEAKER_04: 45:53

Oh, he shaved his head. So I know. We're gonna have to we're gonna have to wipe the slate clean and actually start keeping stats as of as of today. We will.

SPEAKER_03: 46:04

We should. We should do that. We'll keep uh we'll keep a running tally to see if it's a good thing. It only makes sense. It only makes sense. I mean he did it the last time and he and he and he scored 120 points, right? See um I have no qualms about Panarin as a ranger. I think he's lived up to everything for all the free agent signings and all the trades, and you can rattle them all down the line. He came here and he gave us everything we could have ever asked for and more. Most points per game and ranger. You look at his yeah, you look at that. I was actually looking at um looking at that, I was looking at all-time rangers. Some of the ones will blow your mind. I'm later on, I want to I want to run a few past you of all-time ranger statistics. And there are guys in on these lists that you're like, you gotta be kidding me. They're in the top ten in some of these categories, especially the goaltending categories. So uh I don't I want you to guess, I don't want you to look. But um it's it's incredible uh what he's done, and I think if he were to stay here for you know the rest of his career, he's gonna get into the top ten in every category, and maybe even into the top five. You know, the thing is, is you know, that is that what he wants, or does he want every last dollar? And I do not blame the Rangers, and John, your boy Johnny Lazarus has been preaching it. You we've not gone as far as with with Panarin as being the main guy, right? And I said this again, and I keep keep harping it, guys. You gotta listen to this Patreon. If you're not a Patreon supporter, if you want to be a Patreon supporter, some of our best stuff is is is raw and and and right in that moment.

SPEAKER_04: 47:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 47:59

I said it all on our Patreon show. I said Panarin is a great player, but on in our Stanley Cup team, he can't he's not the guy. He's the Phil Kessel, Marion Gabrick type player that you add to an already great team. And I know that might not be, and I said, and I said I don't I know that might not be a popular opinion amongst Ranger fans, even with you, you're just gonna say to me, Oh, well, you know, Rocky scored 120 points, he has 90 points. I am fully aware of that. But I believe that if you put Panarin on an LA team, you know, that the in 14, if you put Panarin on on Colorado or on Vegas with already great players, he's Brett Hall. He is going to be amazing. He's gonna be amazing, and he's gonna be great, and he's gonna score big goals. Why? Because nobody's worrying about Panarin, they're worrying about Kopitar, they're worrying about Jack Eichel, they're worrying about um McKinnon, they're worrying about Crosby and Malkin. They're not worrying about Panarin. Here's an afterthought. You put him on a great team like that, you're gonna put him on Panzer. You can score so many big goals, it's not even gonna be funny.

SPEAKER_04: 49:14

You're gonna put Panarin on Pittsburgh, you say?

SPEAKER_03: 49:16

Well, I'm saying if you put him on a on a good, I'm talking about a cup contender. I'm just going through the call the cup. Right. I'm talking about Kessel. I mean, that I mean that's what I'm talking about. I mean, you put Panarin on a second or a third line on one of those great teams, he's gonna score a ton of big goals for you because the matchups are favorable, and nobody's worrying about him. They're worrying about everyone else. On our team, they are fixated on him, just like the way that with Gavrick, Sean. Gavrick played for the Rangers, he couldn't move because he was the only offensive threat this team had. So, what did they do? They loaded up against him, and what happened? He did nothing. He did score the one overtime winner against uh on a great play by Brad Richards against the Capitals, but other than that, he scored against Ottawa and he scored nothing else in that entire playoff run. Because why? Because who that's why do you think Kryder was so great in that series? Because nobody was worried about him, they're all focused on Gabrick. I mean, that's my point. Is that they need they need to bring in guys that are a step ahead of Panarin. And they don't have them on this team. And I think you need to have those players to win a championship, and this team doesn't have them.

SPEAKER_04: 50:33

So trade them. Trade them all. Let's refill the cupboard.

SPEAKER_03: 50:40

I just think that what they need to do is they need to stay flexible. And I don't know, maybe you do nothing and you see what happens. But the next Jack Eichel type guy that's available, there is not one single player. Nobody, no one, not not Perot, not their first round pick in seven in uh in uh in 26, not Malcolm Spence, nobody, nobody, nobody, not one guy. If that type of player becomes available, everyone should be available. Every guy. Even Schlemer. Everybody. I I'm trying to think how it's pronounced. Is it pronounced? Is it pronounced? The C is the C is silent.

SPEAKER_04: 51:32

Is it Shellimar?

SPEAKER_03: 51:33

It's not Shellimar, it's like oh my god, it's no, it's C is silent. Um it's ha uh Hamler? Hamler? No. No, it's the C is not pronounced. I'm telling you now, it's not pronounced.

SPEAKER_04: 51:53

It's not Stanley with the C.

SPEAKER_03: 51:55

No. I mean, Jason Robertson, I would trade La Fournier for him tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04: 52:02

Yeah, I was thinking about that one. But I don't know. Dallas is gonna get it done, according to Friedman. It'll it will eventually get done.

SPEAKER_03: 52:09

How would they how are all these teams paying all these guys? It's just remarkable.

SPEAKER_04: 52:14

Everyone's getting$10 million added to the cap next year. And he still has another year left after this, Robertson. He's not a free agent yet. Oh, I thought he was. No. So he'll have two cap raises before they have to pay him.

SPEAKER_03: 52:28

See what the best thing that seemed can happen to this team, honestly, is falafrenia 2-2 play well, but they should still trade him.

SPEAKER_04: 52:38

I would say well, then he's the guy.

SPEAKER_03: 52:40

No, he's not the guy. Because to me, just because you play well doesn't mean you're the answer to winning a championship. Mike Gardner was a fantastic player. How many cups does he have? Marcel Dion has 600 goals. How many cups does he have? Mulgilney had to hang on the coattails of the Devils to win a cup. I mean, you need to.

SPEAKER_04: 53:04

So what defines a cup a cup, uh a guy that's gonna help you win the cup, then?

SPEAKER_03: 53:08

I did Sean. I mean, am I right or am I wrong?

SPEAKER_04: 53:10

There's just some guys that none of those players played physical hockey. I've seen La Fernier play physical hockey in the playoffs. When? Against Tampa Bay when he was a rookie? Against Tampa and against Florida.

SPEAKER_03: 53:23

He played physical hockey. He had a good series, he put up some points.

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I thought he did. Maybe. I don't know. He went to the net. That's what I mean by physical. He he went to the net. If you're guarding the net and you're willing to take hits, that's physical hockey. Okay. I'm not I'm not confusing you with Sam Bennett as a 23 22 and 23-year-old.

SPEAKER_03: 53:46

He might be Sam Bennett down the road. But I'm saying, well, that's a guy. He didn't draft the first overall to be Sam Bennett. Sam Bennett was drafted, what, third or fourth overall?

SPEAKER_04: 53:55

Okay. Sometimes it happens. But I get it. I get it. Listen, they need to make a change for change's sake. I'm starting to get to. Um just get some new blood. They they need they need more speed. That's the one thing I think that they last.

SPEAKER_03: 54:13

What is the one thing that they did not change on this roster in the offseason?

SPEAKER_04: 54:18

The top six. And that's the problem. Well, they're not scoring. I still believe that they can, but it's 14 games and they haven't.

SPEAKER_03: 54:29

So what at what point? Well, let me ask you this question. Sure. At what point do you say you start saying this might not be the year? 30. 30 games. So what would that what when would that put us? Like Christmas?

SPEAKER_04: 54:46

Roughly. Like early January, I think, is 30. Um yeah, because I remember you I remember it's funny how it's always coaches' quotes that stick with me. Tom Rennie's saying you want to have 20 wins by by New Year's. So you get 20 wins, that means you're probably 20 and 10. Yeah. Reasonable. So yeah, 30 is probably around New Year's. 20 is usually around Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_03: 55:15

And this condensed schedule, they're probably 30 is going to probably come even quicker.

SPEAKER_04: 55:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 55:19

Sorry, but just since I mean, Sean, this schedule's crazy. They fly to Dallas, they fly to Detroit, come back, play the Islanders, and then go back and come home, and then they play home against Nashville two nights later. One night later. They have three games in in in they have three games in four nights. And one's on the road.

SPEAKER_04: 55:40

They have two nights off going to Detroit, though.

SPEAKER_02: 55:44

Right.

SPEAKER_04: 55:44

They're off last night, they're off tonight. So they do get two nights off here, fly to Detroit, play Friday night, fly home right after the game, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03: 55:53

I will tell you this. They lose to the Islanders or get shut up by the Islanders. I don't know what's going to happen. I think the building's going to collapse.

SPEAKER_04: 56:02

I was talking a lot of the guys I play hockey with are all Islander fans. And they were like, Oh, you go, you're going on Saturday? I said, absolutely not. I go, that's a lose-lose situation for me. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_03: 56:16

I have been to a Ranger Islander game at the Garden. Um we got free tickets through when Lisa's working for Northwell. And uh we got really good seasons. I think I sent you a picture. That's the last Ranger Islander game I've been to at the Garden. I I don't like those games. Yeah, I've gotten into fights, arguments with guys at those games. It's it's infested with Islander fans now. Everyone sells their tickets. And again, I'm not be telling season ticket holders to not sell their tickets because I do it too. And it's the way of the world now because the Garden has completely outpriced everybody.

SPEAKER_04: 56:49

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 56:50

Where when I had my tickets, and I've told this story, I went to so many more games, and you knew everyone in your section because they were air there every game. It was like fever pitch with with Jimmy Fallon, where you knew everyone around you. You were friends with them, you joked around with them, you had their phone numbers, you you knew everyone in your role, you knew everyone.

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Right.

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Not even remotely like that anymore. I know one, no Billy, you know, Billy. Right. That's it. That's it. And in those Islander games, I'm I remember sitting there and I am surrounded. Now I'm a I'm a range of season ticket holder, and I am just engulfed by Islander fans taunting me and in my home building, calling me names, and it's not that's it's not even the men that are probably the women. Oh my god, I had these two girls behind me, they were heckling me the whole game, and of course again, you're in a lose-lose situation, yeah. Because I'm a I'm I'm I'm losing because I'm getting dissed by two women, but if I turn around and scream at them, I'm the jerk. It's oh how can you're a guy, how can you be screaming at girls?

SPEAKER_04: 58:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 58:02

So I said after that, I'm never going to another Ranger Island game at the garden again. And the only reason I went to that game is I was sitting low, and you know, down there, no, no disrespect, they're they're there. It's just a night out for these people for the true, but I get what you're saying. For the most part, I listen, I said what you're saying. I heard people talk about the opera, I heard people talk about where they were going to dinner afterward, I heard people talk about their Vermont vacation.

SPEAKER_04: 58:29

Who can go to dinner after after a game? It ends at 10 years.

SPEAKER_03: 58:32

It was an afternoon game. Oh, it was an afternoon game.

SPEAKER_04: 58:35

That's that's different. That's a totally different crowd. Afternoon crowds, totally different, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 58:39

But I mean, it was still, it was no kids, it was all it were adults. I mean, sitting in those seats.

SPEAKER_04: 58:44

But yeah, that's that's it, that's a day out. Talk to me about the fans that are there on a Monday night.

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Correct.

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Those are the fans.

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Because this is what this is the way of the world now, this is the way it's gonna be. With the way these tickets are, they're just too much money, and you're not gonna see people unless you're an old man and retired and have no kids or your kids are grown. You ain't going every game. You ain't going every game. It's impossible. Between the train fair going in, I don't drink a lot of times when I go to the games. But if you like want to have a couple of drinks, you're not going every game. Forget it, be broke.

SPEAKER_04: 59:20

No, you bring your own docker like I do. Yeah, that's true. I forgot about it. It's gonna cost me shit. I got my souvenir cup I bring with me. You so I get my my refills on my uh my sprite, and then uh you you remind you see the movie.

SPEAKER_03: 59:33

Remember the movie Luca's talking? Yeah, you remind me of Joel John Travolta, that movie, but he said you get everything for free. That's you. Figure it out. That is you. You are you figured out every which way, like you just you have the whole thing figured out. I'm very jealous. Um, so where I'm like one of those.

SPEAKER_04: 59:54

I'm like one of those people when it comes to Madison Square Garden. I'm like one of those people who has the um. Like the bomb shelter, like they're they're ready for the apocalypse.

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Yeah, they got now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:04

They could they could survive for 10 years underground type of thing. Yeah. I got my I got my whole kit when I go to the garden.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:10

Well, that's smart. That's very smart.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:13

Like you said, it's too expensive. And I used I like you, I used to go to 30 games a year.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:18

Did you go to that many?

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:20

Wow. When did you become a seasoned ticket holder?

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:24

16. And you went to 30 games? I was going to more games even before I seasoned tickets.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:29

Oh, oh, yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:30

I forgot about that. I used to know a ticket taker and I would get into games for 25 bucks. Yeah. I forgot about that part. Photoshop tickets. Go find a seat that you knew was still on uh Ticketmaster. A lot of things you can't do anymore. That was the best. So my buddy would print up, he we would look, he was a Photoshop whiz, and we would look and see what tickets were still available on Ticketmaster because he was working in the city. So he would leave his desk, you know, 15 minutes before puck drop. So he would have like six sets of different Ticketmaster PDFs printed out for different sections. And all of these would be available on Ticketmaster 25-30 minutes before puck drop. So it's like, all right, at least one of these has to be good. We have PDFs. Like we could literally show these to the uh to the usher and go get seated. Yeah, you just got to make sure that someone who has the real tickets doesn't show up well. Right. And dude, I'm telling you, games game seven, uh game six at home in uh 2014 against Montreal. That was six rows behind the bench. Wow. For 40 bucks.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:43

Game six, Dominican game. That was a great game. That was a one-nothing game. You would have you would have thought you would have thought it was a six-nothing game.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:55

Hank save on Vanick. You know, it's funny when you play the intro and you I hear Sam's voice, and I still get chills when I hear this one let will last a lifetime. But twice in there. In that moment, my stomach sinks. Because I'm saying I'm thinking to myself, you and I may never enjoy a Stanley Cup championship when we can actually enjoy it. We may be in our 70s and be rolling there in our stroke in our walkers or even 80s, maybe not 70s, hopefully not when a walker at 70, but maybe in our 80s or 90s, and we might be at this parade, we might need somebody to freaking wheel us in our wheelchair because the way it's going now, I mean, we're already more than halfway back to where we were, and if they if they go the full 54 years again, we're gonna be almost 70 years old. I mean, it's it's it's come on, Chris. It's not the worst call of all time because you got the people that were that were that were our age now, there would I would listen. I would take right now, Sean. I'm not gonna, I'm not no, I would take one cup and I'd be good for the rest of my life. I'm serious. At this point in my life, I would take one more championship to enjoy at this present moment in my life. You told me right now the ranch will win the cup this year, would you be happy for the rest of your life? I said I would probably be content.

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Yeah, because at least I know I'm getting one.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:29

Because at least I know I'm gonna enjoy one fucking parade and and be able to actually stand for it and enjoy it and and and and soak it in, not be maybe 75 or 80 years old and be like, oh my god, when is this parade gonna be over? My feet are killing me, my dogs are barking here.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:46

Talk about we'll we'll be hovering by that point. Maybe we'll we'll finally live like the Jetsons and maybe it's possible 40, 40 more years from now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:55

It's possible. It's crazy. It just, you know, they've just been so close, but they just never have. And let's be honest, Sean. I mean, if Messier doesn't fall into their laps, they're not winning the cup.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:09

But that seems to happen to everybody, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:12

I mean, yeah, the most important thing. Most of the times, it's the guy that they draft. You know, that that's really that's really what it comes down to.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:25

It's the guy that they draft. I mean, they drafted Barkoff. I mean, Barkov.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:28

I mean, they don't win the cup without Barkov.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:30

Yeah, but the rest of the team is acquired. That's all acquisitions. So that's that's two cups in a row. Uh Tampa, yeah, Tampa for the most part is drafted.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:42

Um LA's drafted. Pittsburgh's drafted. I mean, Vegas, I mean, that's another one.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:48

LA was half and half because the um Jeff Carter was a huge, huge part of that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:52

Big players and Dowdy and Colpitar and Quick were I mean, those were the three guys. You know, I know Mike Richards was on that team. He was required. But they already had even the Rangers, even in '94, you you want to you want to say, all right, they got Messier, they got Graves, Leach was a was a draft pick, Zubaff was a draft pick, Kovalev was a draft pick, Richter was a draft pick, Namchinov was a draft pick. Those all those guys played vital roles in that cup.

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Here's the thing. Great, yes, Graves was not their draft pick, but Graves was not a name player until he came here.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:30

It was a smart trade.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:32

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:33

It was a smart trade, it was a savvy trade, you know, and and we have not seen this glorious.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:40

Was Graves any more than what Taylor Radish is for the most part? Oh no, I'm saying before coming here.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:47

Oh well, but Adam Graves was he was 29 when they won the cup. Taylor Radish is 29 now. He's 27, Taylor Raddish. Yeah, he's only 27? Yeah. I don't know. He seems a lot older than that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:59

No, 27, my man.

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Well, they don't win the cup of the next two years. There goes my theory.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:04

So uh old he was he was 23 when he became a ranger, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:08

No, he was older than that, wasn't he? Because he played on Detroit at Edmonton.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:12

Yeah, he was 23.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:13

You looking it up?

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:15

Yeah. Wow. He had seven goals and 25 points, a minus 21 is the year with Edmonton before. Nine goals. He had never scored 10 goals in a season before coming us.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:26

I know. Remember his mother was on the on the on the I remember his mother was on MSG well talking about how he can't score. I remember them talking about that. Um I mean 23 is not 27. I mean, I think Taylor Ratt is just what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:42

I'm I'm saying as far as like what the perception of the player is, just a third, fourth line plugger. Nothing, yeah, nothing to write home about.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:52

Probably say that that might uh the Adam Graves trade might go down as one of the better teams. When we got him, do you were you thought were you oh my god, we got Adam Graves? No, yeah, sure. I don't really know if I was following the team the way I was f I'm following it now. By then, if you were following them in 86, 87, you were fighting. I know I wasn't following, I remember the trade, but I don't I don't remember like his career before that. Like I didn't look up every statistic, like I knew who the big players were, right? But I didn't know like the who the pluggers were at that point until they came, you know, got on the team.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:23

Um that's what I'm saying. When he came here, I didn't know who the hell he was. No, neither did I. I didn't know who he was. All right. So that goes to speak to it, wasn't like we acquired some big player. He became in in essence, he was just as much a ranger as any draft pick.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:41

I mean, just like McDonough. Well, McDonough never played for anybody else, but he wasn't drafted by the Rangers. But I could still consider him. He to me is the same as a draft pick. Same thing, it's a draft pick. Right. You know, even well, yeah, it was no, no, I can't say same with Fox. Fox same Fox. I do think though, at some point, they're gonna have to address that second pair. They need to get more offense out of the defense, so they're gonna have to figure out that as well. Um I'm not changing a thing. I'm honestly right now, I'm not changing a thing on the D. I know, but I'm saying I'm thinking at some point if the right player becomes one, because I again I don't know. I they're just not good enough to win a championship.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:21

That's where you're gonna put your resources right now. The D is not the problem. No, they have very limited resources.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:26

I'm just saying that I think at some point they're gonna have to get more offense out of the defense.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:33

I don't think that I don't think that that's that's the problem. Again, if you what when you're watching every game, it's a tip, it's a tip-in goal here. It's it's a shot that hits the post, it's a shot that like you have an open net and you put it in the goalies' chest, like you know, against Carolina.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:50

Yeah, they're not they're not picking corners. That's the other thing.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:53

Right. And I think that just goes to top of the figures this out, which I this I'm dude. I'm telling you, there's no chance in the world that this this is gonna happen for 80 games.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:02

No, it's not gonna happen for 80 games. I just think that there's gonna be a lot of games where they're gonna lose because they don't have they don't have that that real polished finishing player.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:12

You know, all these guys, I mean, all so many guys that are 30 goal scorer, that are perennial 30 goals.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:18

40 goal scorer scores. Panera, I mean, Panarin scored 30 goals this year. Who else scored 30 goals on this team last year? How many goals in perennial?

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:25

When I say perennial, I mean year in and year out. It doesn't necessarily mean just last year.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:29

I know, but Sean, I saw that. Not a 32. And that's and I'm not seeing it. Look at Adam Graves' number after he turned 32. That was his degenerative back. Well, I mean, but the guys get old, and especially in this NHL, 32 is not 32 when it was 15 years ago. You got Brad Richards was done. Was he 34, 33 when he was done? I I mean, maybe he was 35, but I'm just saying, like, these how well how much did Brad Richards slow down? Why is the Mark?

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:02

Why is Mark Scheifley still considered?

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:04

Uh is Mark Shifley 32?

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:07

They're all from the same draft class.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:10

Mark Scheifley's 32 years old. Correct. Well, I don't know. He doesn't play like a 32-year-old. Yeah, why is that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:21

He plays every night.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:22

He plays every night, but how many long playoff runs has he had?

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:25

Winnipeg's been in the playoffs, plenty.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:27

They've been in the playoffs, but how many long playoff runs? Do you have the playoff miles that Lichabinichet has?

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:32

Only only two.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:37

Miller's hurt. Miller's hurt, and that's my point. If the guy is hurt, I'd rather him sit out a month, if it's doubts what it takes, get healthy, and get back ASAP. Of course, he's being nagging all season long and just screwing up his production.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:57

Consider Kucharovald?

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:01

No. But he's also in that class of player that they his age is like a fine wine.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:08

Like Panarin.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:09

Like Crosby.

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Or Panarin.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:14

Well, like Panarin. Well, Panarin, yeah, up until now. I mean, well, I I still think Panarin's gonna have I still think Panarin's gonna score 90 points this year.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:20

So do I. But again, that's that's regression to the mean. He's gonna play at 130 points.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:27

But I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. I wouldn't listen, I would be shocked. I let me let me rephrase this. I would be surprised if he didn't score 90 points, but it wouldn't shock me.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:45

Again, he would have to play at 120, 115, 120 point pace the rest of the season.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:50

Which he's capable of doing. But I think the way that but here's the problem with this power play, there's no way that any of these guys are gonna come sniff. They're all gonna have to.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:00

There's too much talent on that power play for it to be 32nd in the league. There's too much talent on it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:06

Uh, okay, so let me let me give you a little bit of a little bit more. They're missing you. This is a good one, Sean, because this is um again, it's a different era, and it's maybe not as fair. The Rangers had a power play of Eric Lindras, Pavel Bore, or no, Eric Lindras, Yarmir Jagger, Messier, Leach, and someone else. I forgot who the other guy was. They were all.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:29

Did they all play on the power play together?

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:30

I'm pretty sure they all played on the power play at some point.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:33

Lindrass was a shell that year, if you're talking about the year before the lockout. Okay. I'm just saying he was he was a shell. He was he was only interested in playing.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:43

But I'm just saying the Rangers have had talented guys all on the same power play and them not be good. That doesn't mean just because you're all those talented guys, you need to have the right talented guys. Like, I think that not having a net front presence like Kreider is going to destroy this team's power play.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:00

Agreed. So that's why they're putting Cooley out there because at least that's his. I think that's a smart decision.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:05

I mean, they gave La French 14 games in this spot. They're the worst of the worst power play in hockey. Right. So they gave him every opportunity. So now, until Trochik comes back, he is going to play. And even if Cooley comes back and he succeeds, even when Troja comes back, I don't think he should be anointed back to the first power play. And I agree with that because he's not he's not practicing on it. He does tip pucks well. I just don't know if he is big enough to play that front net front presence on the power play.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:38

No, he's a bumper guy. He's not a net front guy. He's 5'10, 5'11.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:42

So then so then when he goes back on the power play, that means Lafrent, that means Miller has to go back into the net front spot.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:48

Which I don't agree with. Because it's not it's not his strength. His strength is facing the net from up top from up top and having the puck. Being down low to tip pucks, it's not right. That's not what's made him who he is. So I'd rather him be where Lafreneer's been as the left shot on that wall, just like Zabana Jed's the right shot on the other wall.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:11

Um I could see them, I could see them losing the next two and then beating Nashville.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:20

Oh, you're really going out on a limb saying that they're gonna beat Nashville at home.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:24

I mean they didn't beat the balls.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:25

Didn't they embarrass us to be San Jose at home? I was gonna say, didn't Nashville beat the balls off us last year at home?

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:32

I don't remember. It's possible.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:37

I know they lost to them. Didn't they get shut out by Nashville? Wait, was it they didn't get their I think they got shut out though. I know they got shut out by the Blackhawks too, didn't they? That I don't remember. I didn't I know they lost to the Blackhawks and they lost to it was after the Truba trade, I believe they lost to Nashville and they lost to the Blackhawks right after that. That was in December of last year, wasn't it?

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Known as the beginning of the end.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:11

Who would have known?

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:12

Yeah. Alright, so so we got coming up, like you said, we have Detroit Friday, Islander Saturday, and uh National Monday. Are the three games, the three games that'll be played before our next show. So you're going one and two? Yeah. We're gonna go two on one. This may shock you. No, I'm not going three and all.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:36

I suppose you're gonna go three and oh. No, there's only one road game in there. Okay. So let me ask you this. So I'm gonna leave it this. I want to ask you a question. Rangers, all this is for goaltending. Save percentage all time. If you were to guess who oh, it's the top five are. If you want to see Sabsky, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:00

How? He's only let up one goal in two games.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:04

I guess you have to play a certain amount of games. Oh, okay. I don't know what the criteria is. Alex Ald? No. Who do you think number one is? It's easy. Hank. Right. Number two. Easy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:20

Igor?

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:21

Yep. Okay. Three is a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:25

You gotta tell me what the what the there's gotta be a minimum games here.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:28

I don't it doesn't say what the minimum games are, though. This is based off a hockey reference. Okay. It's not just put it this way. It's not guys that played four or five games. It's the guys that played at least a hundred games, I would say.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:42

Is it safe percentage? Is that what we're talking about?

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:44

Save percentage. So Lank's number one, he's a nine nine eighteen all-time. Uh Roach.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:55

Um I just want to make sure that this is all time and not in the season.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:01

Yeah, all time. Uh number Roach is not on, is not in this category. He's in another one I'm gonna bring up later. Okay. But he's a hall of this guy's a hall of famer.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:17

Um the fuck is his name?

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:20

Before, but it's before Jaccoman, too. I'll give you that. I was gonna say the goalie for 1940. I know you think not him, not him. He's not in the top 10, believe it or not. That guy. I'm not telling you his name because uh Gump? Gump. Gump's number three, 913. Now, number four, number five, and number six are all tied with a 908.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:42

908 save percentage.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:44

Two of these guys are gonna completely Mike Dunham is one of them.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:48

Because he had a great year one of the years. He had like a 925 that year.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:51

The other one is a Hall of Famer, but don't not, he would, he played only two seasons for the Rangers.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:57

Jacques Plant.

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Jacques Plant.

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Yeah.

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And the fourth, the third guy of the four, of the three, is a guy that just played for the Rangers not that long ago.

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The 908 save percentage.

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908 career save percentage.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:17

Oh, to not just Ranger save percentage. Just Ranger. Oh, just Ranger.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:20

Career as a Ranger. Career as a Ranger.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:25

Cam Talbot?

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:26

No, close. More recent. Andre Pathlik?

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No.

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I told you it was a guy. He played more than one season for the Rangers.

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Yeah.

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But you're getting closer.

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You're getting Georgiev?

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Georgiev. Wow. Running at the top 10, Ed Joachiman, Mike Richter, Gels Villemure, and Glenn Healy.

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Interesting.

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I I saw that. I was like, I mean, you gotta be kidding me. Fucking Mike Dunham. I'm like, am I am I seeing something? Yeah, that's what goes to show you that.

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We discussed this two years ago on the show where I know we did. His numbers were good. Why did we hate him so much?

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He wasn't good that one. He wasn't good the year before the lockout. Right. He was good the year before that. He had a 920 save percentage. So you back to what you were saying now. Goals against average. Some of these guys were way before our time.

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Yeah.

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One of the Lauren Cabot's bet best all time, 1.63 all time. That's crazy. Davy Kerr, who was the other guy you're talking about in the 40s.

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I said Thayer. I couldn't, I don't know why it's Thayer.

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He's uh 2.07. John Ross Roach, you brought up 2.16. He's three. Andy Hackenhead. I never even heard of this guy.

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This is the dead there.

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And Lunquist is number five. Number nine on this list is fucking Mike Dunham.

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All time.

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Mike Dunham is in the top 10 all time in goals against and save percentage as a Rangers goalie. He's ahead of Jacobin in both categories. Granted, small small sample size. But it's still remote.

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When you think Mike Dunham going forward, just start playing the um the alumni music. The MSG alumni music for him.

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Unbelievable. I just some of these statistics. And who do you think? This is another interesting one. Who do you think goals per game all time? Percentage.

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As a ranger.

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As a ranger.

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Goals per game. Pierre LaRouche.

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He's number four. That's a good one, though. Pedobney? Three. Getting closer.

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Goals per game.

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Goals per game.

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Messier? He's got to be.

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Messier's not in the top ten.

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Not in the top ten, huh? No. Oh, those those final years did him in. Uh Panarin's gotta be in it. Not goals. Really? Not goals.

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Sabanajed? Not goals, no. Interesting. One guy we talked about on the show on the show earlier. Kreider? No. Older. Oh, Gabrick. Gabrick. Gabrick's on the list. He's seven. Gartner. Gardner's two. Number one. It's not a good one. It's the guy you might probably not even gonna think of because he played very, very briefly for the Rangers, but he played really well. We did talk about him on a previous on our previous show, I believe.

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Briefly for the Rangers and played really well, but it was brief.

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Not Yager, obviously. Yagger's on the list. He's six. Sixth. Bill Cook is five. So you need one.

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That's crazy.

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I'll give you eight, nine, and ten are Don Murdoch, Phil Espito, and Thomas Sandstrom. Number one. We talked about him when we talked about La Fontaine. Remember, I told you they used his picture for Fontaine's uh shit.

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Yeah, Pat for Beak.

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Pat for Beek's number one all time. Goals per game. Wow. 1.58. I guess that's a percentage. Imagine that. Yeah, it's cool. I'm looking at this thing, I just blown away because you look at their history and you know assists per game, you know who that is. All time. Nope. No. Leech is uh number eight. Assist per game all time. Now, to be fair, you think about it, Leech played a long time for the team. So his numbers are gonna be a little bit right.

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That's true. That makes sense.

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You know, it's more guys that have played a shorter period of time.

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Just piled on points. So Panarin has to be his number one, yeah. It makes sense.

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Panarin, Gretzky, Zuboff, Michael Nielander, Fox Jagger, Olf Nielsen, Brian Leach, Walt Pedobney. Again, you're talking about guy Pedobney played for Rangers, but he scored 80 points in both season.

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Right.

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So his numbers are gonna be through the roof. That's why these are kind of like similar to LaRouche.

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Yeah, these are kind of like the two guys that played in the 80s.

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Hat tricks all time, you know that is, right? Who has the most hat-tricks all time as a ranger? We talked about this. Did we? Yeah, they're still trying to beat his record. Oh, yeah. No, who is it? Bill Cook. Oh, Bill Cook, that's right. Nine nine hatricks all time. Zabine Jeff has seven, and at this rate, he's never gonna see eight. And uh, and Jilbert has seven. Panarin has six. So they have Cook is at the top with nine. Uh Jilbert and and uh and Zabinachev seven, and then there's one, two, three, four, every everyone else is tied with six. Frank Boucher, Camille Henry, Jean Mattel, Steve Vickers, Phyllis Pazito, Marc Messier, Peter Nedved, Chris Kreider, and Panarin.

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Some of these lists just are nuts. Very interesting.

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If Kreider would have played this year, he would have passed Hank and uh Stall in games played as a ranger. When can they get him back?

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How long does he have to be in Anaheim for a deadline?

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Uh anyway, good show, my friend. I'm glad we did this impromptu uh get together. It was nice.

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Yeah, I don't want to go the whole, I don't want to go the whole week. We want to get you guys a show every week. We were able to do it tonight.

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I was yeah, it worked out.

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Yeah. Alrighty. All right, we will talk to you guys next week. Later. Later.