Stale Bread

We wrestle with another lifeless home shutout and the shock of Panarin choosing LA, then pull apart what the return says about leverage, direction, and the word “retool.” The map forward is messy, but the choices can’t stay vague.

• how a no‑move clause and a single destination crushed trade leverage
• why the return stings and what a fair Trocheck package must include
• the “letter” as PR shield and what it signals about direction
• retool versus rebuild benchmarks across the next two off‑seasons
• prospect skepticism around Greentree and a thin pipeline
• Hartford depth issues and the need to draft a goalie
• identity gaps: pushback, pace, and finishing talent
• cap space as a weapon and absorbing bad money for assets
• who stays, who goes, and how to actually reset the room

Chapters

• 0:00 Shutouts, Jerseys, And Frustration
• 2:58 Panarin Trade Confirmed
• 5:10 Process, Leverage, And Return
• 12:30 Fan Reactions And Media Noise
• 17:40 Back To Square One Anxiety
• 24:10 Prospect Skepticism And Greentree
• 31:45 Contracts, Extensions, And Motives
• 38:30 Rebuild vs Retool Reality
• 45:20 The Letter, Optics, And PR
• 51:10 Roster Stink And Core Turnover
• 58:00 Depth, Kids, And Usage Choices
• 1:04:20 Hartford Depth And Pipeline Woes
• 1:10:40 Draft History And Missed Stars
• 1:19:20 What Trocheck Must Fetch
• 1:25:50 Weaponizing Cap Space
• 1:31:15 Goalie Value And Igor Hypotheticals
• 1:38:40 Identity, Pushback, And Compete
• 1:44:50 Deadline Freeze And Rumor Mill
• 1:50:30 Benchmarks To Judge The GM
• 1:57:10 Final Thoughts And Next Month

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 1:39

Well, the Rangers have now been shut out four times in what six games, seven games, eight games, wearing these beautiful looking centennial jerseys, but we can't seem to score goals in them. And that is obviously maybe 10th on the depth chart of things we want to get to tonight. It's just apropos that here we are jumping on for a post-game, and it's another shutout at home wearing the Centennial jerseys. Rock, anything new? No.

SPEAKER_01: 2:06

Really nothing.

SPEAKER_00: 2:07

Really nothing, right? No news.

SPEAKER_01: 2:09

I am not. I am not. It is uh it's it is what it is, pal. I don't even know what to say right now after a game. I mean, I it's it's this game, and we all watch them. That's the crazy part. We're all sitting there watching these games. I didn't watch the end of this one, but I had a couple things go on, but uh it's where we're late. I we and I apologize, this one's on me. Um yeah, I I don't I don't know what to say anymore about this team. I mean they're not good. Uh you see no progression from anybody, but I mean we'll we'll get into it I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00: 2:45

Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure we'll we'll we'll get into that. But uh I guess I mean I guess we'd be remiss not to talk about Westward Ho. Yeah. So for those who have been living under a rock, um no pun intended. Obviously, Artemi Panarin has been traded to the Los Angeles Kings. Um got some some things to say about it, I think. I think Rock has some things to say about it. A lot to say. Um I will start off with I am glad it's over. Yes, I'm glad this did not drag on for the next 16 plus days and then potentially 14 more days after the freeze was over. I like that both the team I'll get to the things that I like about the process. It it's very apparent that jurorry, Panarin and Panarin's agent was it uh Theodopolis or Theophonus, the poor Theophonus. Yeah, I'm never gonna pronounce that. You're Greek, you I'll I'll leave that one to you. Um they're all on the same page, like they set this as the deadline. The team didn't want this to drag on, the player didn't want it to drag on. We're gonna sit you down for the four or five games until the Olympic break. We this deal, and I I love it how I'm getting shit from people uh mostly Islander fans that I'm friends with that I play with, and they're busting my balls in the locker room last night. Can I just interject for one second? They're pissed they didn't care. They're pissed they didn't get him.

SPEAKER_01: 4:19

But why did they care? I mean, they weren't getting him anyway. He wasn't going there. They could have worked for another million dollars uh you know a billion dollars. They weren't going there, he wasn't going there. Why why do the islander fans always need to get involved in our business? Do we as Ranger fans ever get involved in the Islanders' business?

SPEAKER_00: 4:36

We laugh at it. I'm guilty of laughing at it.

SPEAKER_01: 4:39

I don't, I don't even get involved to me. They're they're they're not important. They're not, they're not important in the grand scheme of our of our fandom, they're not important. Anyway, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00: 4:49

So the one the one argument that I can't stand about it is I mean, obviously they're tooting their horns over what their return was for Brock Nelson last year, and that they handled it great, and they got a great return. And and great, good the Rangers have Vinny Trochek that's gonna be in that position, and that's the type of return we should get for Trochek. This is a totally, totally separate thing. I've been on this show for months saying if we trade Panarin, we're going to get a Marshan type return. I've said the whole time, I did not think we were getting more than a second round pick, and we did. So if I'm looking for positives, there's one positive. The second positive it is it looks like Drury, Drury seems to learn he makes mistakes. Uh unfortunately, this is New York City, and you shouldn't be learning on the job in the highest pro second highest profile hockey market in the world, but he's learning on the job. He is, you know, he starts off his first off season was a disaster, and it's like every time he makes a really big mistake, he kind of seems to learn from it a little bit. So I at least give him a little bit of credit there. So after the whole debacle with the true bait, um, or tempted trade to Detroit that he that he nicks and it got out and the whole thing, we don't need to rehash it. Um, it looks like he really worked side by side with Penarin and his agent. And you know, it wasn't a hostile situation, it was pretty amicable. And the player utilized his no-move clause to a T. And the agent really held all the power here. I'm not breaking news by saying this. Everyone has seen everything that's out there, it's anywhere you want to find it. The details are this Panarin went to the Rangers at 2 p.m. with an hour to go and straight up said it's LA or no or nothing. So the Rangers got the best prospect that LA has. Yeah. Most likely will be a second round pick because I'm sure they'll win a round if they get in. And if they don't want it's a third round pick, so be it. Like I said, I didn't think we were getting more than a two. You have no leverage. LA could have said take a fifth or don't. They could have. What were we gonna take?

SPEAKER_01: 7:09

Yeah, yeah. I uh I I'm a little bit surprised about the return, a little bit. Um, I thought they get a little bit more. I thought that the Giroux uh Owen Tippet trade, I thought they would get a little bit closer to that, especially the fact that they ate half the salary and Panarin signed what was a very reasonable extension, right? Um, so I am slightly uh disappointed with the return. Listen, he held Jury's feet to the fire. Jury had no choice but to kiss his ass. I mean, let's be fair. He could have told Jury to go flight kite. I'm not gonna play in anywhere, I'm gonna go to free agency. So jury had to pander to him. We know there's no love loss between the two of them. Right. Uh we know that they offered Panarin some bullshit, you know, contract um, you know, to start the season, some kind of Copertar-esque type deal, um, you know, where he would make six and a half or seven million dollars. Uh, you know, it seems like no one ever very rarely do teams give the Rangers a real break like that. I mean, you'll you'll come here for maybe a million dollars less or five hundred thousand dollars less, but never never are you gonna I've seen a player take half of what he was already making. Um so it is what it is. I I can't sit here today and I I just don't have a great feeling about this general manager being allowed to do what needs to be done to get this team to the next level, to get this team to be cut back to a Stanley Cup contender. And in my eyes, and I think where it kind of really set sunk in for me this morning was after kind of really saturating myself with a with everything, um we're back to square one again. You know, we're right back to the beginning about we're gonna be satisfied if this team makes the playoffs. Uh oh, I want to answer uh just get into this. I don't care if the I I care if the Islanders win, but I'm not sitting there on my computer and nitpicking everything the islanders do. That's my point. I have I have Islander fans that post stuff about the Rangers. I am not posting anything about the Islanders. I don't care what they do. I don't I don't want them to win a cup, I'm not rooting for them, but I'm not gonna sit there and you know nitpick and critique and and and just are really obsessed over everything they do, the way Islander fans obsess over Ranger fans stop, Ranger uh stop, which is incredible. And I have one friend that does it constantly, and so I have Ranger fans who do it. I said, let me know who the Ranger fans are that break your balls, give them my number, and I will fucking rip them a new asshole because they're idiots. And I told him that. And I think that's a bullshit lie. I think that's his excuse to be little brother and say, Oh, well, I'm not little brother. But back to what I was saying, I wanted to get that out there. Um I don't want the owners to win by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't sit there and obsess over them. Uh I'm just worried about the future of this team, and now it goes back to back to square one, back to the beginning, back to draft picks and draft capital and trades, and is this prospect good? Is this prospect bad? And I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't know Liam Green Tree, Warren Greenspan, whatever the hell his name is, if he fell on me, I haven't used that one in a while, but I do know this. Those type of prospects for the Rangers can't speak for the rest of the hockey league. They've come and gone like a fart in the wind multiple times. I have never it's been there. We don't get the Martin Erat Peter Forsberg trade. That doesn't happen for us. Now, maybe one day it will, and when it does happen, I'll sit there and I'll put my, you know, sit back and be like, oh wow, finally happened.

SPEAKER_00: 11:39

Ryan McDonough.

SPEAKER_01: 11:40

We don't it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen very often. No, it does not happen very often. That's a good one. McDonough's a good one, but uh it doesn't happen very often. And uh I don't know. Every time they've done these rebuilds and they've done this is now gonna be the third one, the the best player to come out of, I believe, the two previous rebuilds is Ryan Lingren. And he's not really a Hall of Famer, he's not an all-time great, he's a nice solid defenseman, but I'm not gonna sit here and I'm not gonna cry over the fact that Ryan Lindgren's not on the team anymore. You know, Ryan, I mean, I you have to say I sat back and I was thinking about all the guys the Rangers have gotten in these trades for for um for star players. And you know, you I don't want to go back, you know, 50 years, but you know, Joseph Bale, Yorko Eminen, who was the guy they got in the leech trade, um, Rick Kozak was the guy they got for Vladimir Malakoff, who was supposedly a highly touted prospect in the Philly system. Uh you know, and and then going even back to you know Brandon Lemieux, they just never they never seemed to get the team's top top guy. And I know they got the Kings top guy, right? But the top prospect in the 20, and I said this to Dennis Bernstein, because he he was oh the Rangers got buffed. I'm like, Dennis, thank you. I appreciate you trying to make us feel better, but I'm not gonna get excited about the top prospect in the 25th best prospect pool in the sport.

SPEAKER_00: 13:18

You you equate that you equate that to hiring the valedictorian of summer school.

SPEAKER_01: 13:22

Exactly. I mean, come on, man. I mean, and and everywhere you read, and again, I don't want to shit on the kid, he's 20 years old, but I heard it from three different spots that I know of that they call him a depreciating asset. Have they decided why? Just look at his numbers compared to the two previous seasons. He's not gonna, he's not gonna hit the same numbers, and he's 20 years old playing in the OHL. You would think he would have gotten better, which is not his fault. It's his birth, he's won his birthday. I'm not knocking him, and maybe he's bored, but I heard the same shit about Offman that Offman was bored, you know, and and that's why he wasn't putting up the same numbers. I again I I'm I can't I get it, and I agree with you. I agree with you. This trade, guys, this trade, you were just lucky to get anything, and that's how we have to view this.

SPEAKER_00: 14:18

Correct.

SPEAKER_01: 14:19

That's how we have to view this, and and unfortunately, that's where we stand.

SPEAKER_00: 14:23

Let me let me ask you this then. Would you have preferred to get LA's well LA has three has three first round picks between this year and next year, right? I would have preferred to get their best first round pick for this year. That probably wouldn't have been available. Why? Because right now they might not even make the playoffs. They are are in.

SPEAKER_01: 14:49

I think they're gonna make the playoffs now.

SPEAKER_00: 14:51

Oh, now, yes. So right now they're in fifth place in the Pacific. They're way under 500 when you count it. They have 14 overtime losses. If it weren't for those overtime losses, they wouldn't even have a prayer. They're 23, 18, and 14. That's that's insane. Um so that pick could be probably like anywhere from 13 to 18, 19. Yeah, so they weren't gonna trade that pick for it. So it would have been one of their later first. Would you rather get a 20-year-old first round pick? I don't want other teams garbage, but I don't think it's he's the top prospect, it's not garbage.

SPEAKER_01: 15:32

Well, he's a top again, he's a top prospect on the 25th best prospect pool. And why is LA's prospect pool so poor? It's not like they've been going to Eastern Conference Finals and I mean they graduated a lot of guys. Who who La Ferriere?

SPEAKER_00: 15:45

He was a fourth round pick. Brand Clark was probably their topic. Yeah, Brandt Clark's been around for a while. Mikey Anderson, no, two years. Mikey Anderson.

SPEAKER_01: 15:53

He's been around longer than two years, but Mikey Anderson's been around longer than two years. I think they've both been around longer than two years, but that's irrelevant. Uh they graduated a lot of guys. Okay. Okay. But you're not talking about a team that's been to multiple Eastern Conference finals. I don't know if they traded away first round picks for players. I know maybe they traded one for Fiala.

SPEAKER_00: 16:14

Fiala.

SPEAKER_01: 16:15

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00: 16:16

So here's the two guys. So, I mean, friends of the show, our two prospect guys that we rely on. Because again, to quote the famous philosopher, yeah. The famous philosopher rock. Wouldn't know him if I fell on him. And I can't speak to anyone I've never seen play. Right. And I really refuse to speak to anyone I've never seen play in the NHL. Um, my first text was to Steve Cornianos. I said, what did you think of it? I I will quote. Give me Stevie.

SPEAKER_01: 16:53

I know what I know what the I know what the word he used was.

SPEAKER_00: 16:55

I go, are we happy with Green Tree? No. Horrific. I go, that bad? Horrific, and that's all we got for bread, or this guy will never sniff a top six role in the NHL. He sucks, man. Canada didn't even use him in the in the world seniors to spend the water.

SPEAKER_01: 17:14

I was the other thing I didn't bring up players.

SPEAKER_00: 17:16

I was gonna think they brought up. So I said if reports are true that he was that he was only willing to waive to go to LA, was there someone else we should have gotten? And he just said picks. Which I just personally I I don't want. I want this, I want I've said the whole time trade for pending RFAs and other teams first.

SPEAKER_01: 17:36

I had I heard this from a couple of I guess I listened to everything today, all can all the Canada shows, everything.

SPEAKER_00: 17:43

Well, let me get to our other guy first before we get to stuff. So the second message went out to Russ Cohen. Let me pull up Russ real quick. And then I listened to Russ's podcast after this, which yeah, I did too. Good job by Russ. He gave me a he gave me enough to make me feel you know good about the fact he was responding to my text, but also goes, Hey, listen to the show. Yeah, yeah. He got me there. Uh, do you like Green Tree? So I said I opened the text up the exact same way that I did to Steve. I do. I said, do tell. He goes at 5 p.m. on off the post. But quick and dirty is they can't keep losing high-end talent and replacing it with lesser talent. So I agree with and and but that's that's what happens in a rebuild. Unfortunately, you're never it's very rare you're gonna get equal unless it's a Rick Nash situation or it's a I mean, did Minnesota did did Vancouver get equal value for Quinn Hughes? They got a ton, but Quinn Hughes is still the best player that's coming out.

SPEAKER_01: 18:49

Well, you never they always say the guy the team that the star goes to, unless it's Peter, unless it's Lindrass or Peter Ford, unless it's the Lindros trade, I guess maybe uh you're never going to get equal value. It's just the way it is. I mean, he people have been shitting all over the key of the uh JT Miller trade. Oh, how come we gave up, had to give up all this for well, JT Miller had a contract, right? He was signed, and I think that's why I think that's where the uproar is was that they allowed Panarin to go there and to negotiate a contract extension. They should not have allowed LA to negotiate anything until they had a deal in place and then negotiated the contract. Well, the way that they did it, and again, and again, because here's the other part because they pretty much traded him as a rental and then just signed him after yes and no.

SPEAKER_00: 19:48

Yeah, uh it wasn't really done as a rental because and I texted us to you, was it last night I texted to you or or this morning? Where I said, I I go, you know, let's be honest about this. Does bread at the end of the day, does how important is winning a Stanley Cup to Panarin? It's not important.

SPEAKER_01: 20:08

Well, it's not, it's not, it's not important. It's not saying he doesn't want to win. It's not everything, it's not everything. He also turned down apparently 60 million dollars from 40 Seattle. No, I heard it's now 60. 14 it was 14 by 4 by 4. Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 20:24

So he so he didn't go for the money, no, and he went to LA, so he didn't go to try, he was raboring.

SPEAKER_01: 20:31

And there are guys that don't want to be mercenaries that want to just they want to know their future, they don't want to just go to Colorado for two months, uproot their family, uproot their lives, and again, I don't necessarily agree with it, it's not my thing. I would want to win a championship and then make my money. There were that's what I would want to do.

SPEAKER_00: 20:53

There were other teams that put contracts on the table for him. Yeah, LA.

SPEAKER_01: 20:57

Carolina, he's not going there. Washington, they're not, he's not going to Washington. Why? Because of the Tom Wilson thing. I doubt that. I think it's part of it. I seriously doubt that. I think it's definitely part of it. Anyway, my and please be fair. You want to play in Washington, Sean? If you're Panarin, you play. I I get it.

SPEAKER_00: 21:15

They're not a cup contender either. Probably not. But they have other Russians on the team. Anyway, the whole point I'm trying to make here is along with Tov, apparently. He didn't he didn't go for the money and he didn't go to try and win a cup. No, he went to the city. What's important to Artemi Panarin is playing hockey. I think the guy loves to play, right? He'll he'll play through every injury. Guy plays, unless unless pu unless Putin's coming for him, his family. He plays. He loves to play, and he likes it, likes his off the ice lifestyle. He liked he liked New York City. He wanted to go to Florida, and when Florida wasn't available, when Florida or Tampa were not available, he went to Los Angeles. So it was very clear that lifestyle. And you know, and listen, and and loves to play. Those are the two things that are important to him. So in LA, he's gonna make good money. You know, he's gonna he gets two more years.

SPEAKER_01: 22:09

High tax state, high tax state for everyone complaining about those players only going to low tax spots. Highest tax in the country.

SPEAKER_00: 22:17

He wanted a play in Los Angeles, Southern California, or I'm which I'm surprised Anaheim was never in the cards.

SPEAKER_01: 22:23

I've heard San Jose offered him, and he didn't want to go there either.

SPEAKER_00: 22:26

Yeah, well, it's not Southern California.

SPEAKER_01: 22:28

Well, I'm just saying it's it's still it's still California, it's still warmer than here.

SPEAKER_00: 22:31

Yeah, it's it's living in uh fucking Fresno, pretty much. Um but yeah, it's just so it would have made it very easy. If those are the two things that are important to him, then he had no motivation to leave this year. So when you sit there and say, No, not you, but like you know, if someone says, Oh, then Drury should have you know held out for more. No, the threat is Panarin could have said, I'm not waving because I don't want to leave tough shit, essentially. Yeah, so when you really factor in everything, because you have to look into the player himself, because every player is different. If there was if this was a player who was burning for a chance to go win a cup right now, then the worst thing you could do to the guy is say, All right, if you don't accept a trade to here or there, we'll keep you because then you're in purgatory for the rest of the year. I don't think he can.

SPEAKER_01: 23:29

I don't think I also think I also think the guy loves the play. He does, I I but I don't I think the Rangers have so much bad press and so much heat on them, especially Drury, that I think they just wanted to get this guy out of get him out of here as quickly as possible. Agreed, to not be a distraction, to not be a problem, and to move on. And that and that's really what it comes down to. You know, and and I think they from what I've been hearing and and you know, obviously reading and whatnot, is they had they have other guys they need to move, and they just wanted this file done, folded, they wanted it, you know, in the in the file cabinet and moved on from a clean break, and both parties were on board with the with the timeline.

SPEAKER_00: 24:17

Neither party wanted this leaking further into the year.

SPEAKER_01: 24:21

What I will say is if it is a retool, and you look at the contract that he got, two years 11 million, it's not the hardest pill to swallow, considering considering there's nobody out in the free agent market. Drew does not know how to make trades. He's he's not good at it. I'm scared. I'm I'm this guy has done nothing other than trading draft picks or guys falling in his lap. I mean, what do we have to go on? We don't we have we had stuff from from from Sayther, we had stuff from Jeff Gordon, we saw trades that they've made to make us feel comfortable and and and and and warm and fuzzy in the sense where we knew in 04 and we knew in 18 what we could possibly expect. I don't know what this guy's gonna do. He might be reckless, Sean. He might go out and give an office sheet to a guy that probably he shouldn't give an office sheet to give him a shit ton of money, sacrifice four first round picks for this for this franchise, and and this team could be in last place the next five years. I don't know. I don't know what he's trying, he's fighting for his life. He's gonna offer sheet Connor Bernard. Maybe. I mean, let's let's let's look at it from this perspective. Every even a drowning man will try to pull anyone down, and he doesn't think he cares to five years from now, he doesn't care. He needs to get through the next two seasons, right? And if they don't see any type of progress, and they don't bring any type of star, because let's be fair, unless Marc Messier is walking through the door, star-drivenly a chance in hell of being competitive in the next foreseeable future. Not a chance.

SPEAKER_00: 26:17

Or as uh Andrew uh is it Conforde? Conforto.

SPEAKER_01: 26:22

The only way that happens is if he builds up the team around around them, and he brings in assets, you know, that are are are I mean, they have Fox, they have Igor.

SPEAKER_00: 26:38

Landon, we're talking Landon DuPont already, Blaine. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_01: 26:43

Oh my god, I didn't even think about that. Offersheat Fantilly. I need to see more out of Fantilly before I officiate him anything. I like Fantilly. I love Fantilly. Um he's an assassin. I'm um he's an Aho type of player. You'd also need a guy that's gonna force his way here. You know, I mean, we've on this is the unfortunate part with losing Panarin. He's the best offensive player we've had here since Jagger. You could put Gabrick in there to a certain degree. I think I find I I compare Gabrick and and Panarin similarly because I think they their game is similar in the sense where the games get hard, they're not able to, they're not able to raise their their bar in a playoff series. And I think that might be part of the reason why they've moved on. But here's the other kicker. Who are you getting to replace him?

SPEAKER_00: 27:36

It's not one person that you're getting to replace.

SPEAKER_01: 27:38

Okay, Sean, give me three people that are gonna replace him.

SPEAKER_00: 27:40

Who? Whoever's gonna be putting whoever's gonna be putting these roles with third line players. Cooley cannot be in the in the top six next year. I agree with that. Yeah, I agree. Um, we'll see. We'll see. I'm still terrible. He's terrible. I get it, I get it, I get it, and I get it again. But I'm still not, I'm still not out on La Fournier the way I let me ask you a question.

SPEAKER_01: 28:05

Why is Dre this see? This is where Sather, for all his faults, he made guys fucking earn every dollar. These fucking entry-level contract guys made them work for every dollar they earned. They're his own players. He squeezed Mark Stahl, he squeezed Zuccarello, he squeezed Dobinski and Callahan and Stefan, he squeezed those guys for everything it was worth. Why are you giving La Frenier seven million dollars based off of one good season? One season and one month.

SPEAKER_00: 28:39

Because they thought it was it was gonna be a bargain.

SPEAKER_01: 28:42

What are you in such a rush for? La Frenier couldn't sign that contract fast enough, and he has vanished ever since. That is poor, not knowing your players. That's not knowing your guys. Do they talk to these guys? Do they do they have any conversation? You didn't realize that that La Fournier was a product of playing with fucking Panarin? You didn't realize that. I I just wouldn't am I the only one watching this shit? I mean, do you disagree with me? You you tell are you not you don't think Panarin was played a fact by La Frenier?

SPEAKER_00: 29:21

No, I th I thought La Frenniere was played excellent by him on his own during that season as well. The other part of that was La Ferniere has played with with Panarin the last two seasons and not had success, so you can't just put it on well, he played with Panarin.

SPEAKER_01: 29:38

But they had a magical year based on the shoulders of Panarin, both of those guys.

SPEAKER_00: 29:44

So why wasn't it repeated? Because Panarin didn't repeat it.

SPEAKER_01: 29:48

Panarin still played great, he didn't have 123 points, okay, or 120 points, he didn't have 49 goals. I mean fair, fair. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle with lines. We saw with the check line. Jan Hilavic had, and talk about Say there. I looked at that trade. Jan Halavic, after he was traded to Philly, I don't think ever scored more than like 14 goals. He smoked them that one year. They traded high. Him, they traded the high on him, they traded the high on Kim Janssen. But not like Drury, who oh, we gotta hug every fucking prospect we have. We have to hug them until they're fucking worthless. They should trade cooley, Sean. I'm telling you right now, they should trade this fucking guy while he's while his contract is at his peak. Trade him now. Low contract, 24 years old, strike where the iron's hot. He's a third line player. Stop hugging these fucking prospects. This guy is afraid. He's afraid to he's a he's afraid after this Buchevit's trade. And this is the guy you want building your franchise? A coward? How do you feel? Tell me how I I know I know your feeling on jury is a lot different. Like, well, what did he really do? He's done, but it's not what he has done, it's what he hasn't done, too.

SPEAKER_00: 31:19

I get that, I get that. But I I mean, we all wish that we were fucking flies on the wall in the office and knew the opportunities that are out there and the ones that aren't, you know, because we don't know what he turns down or what conversation he has.

SPEAKER_01: 31:33

He should be fired for not getting them the right players for that cup run. You needed a top six forward.

SPEAKER_00: 31:40

I gotta move I gotta move past two years ago, I gotta move past two years ago, which two years ago now, but that's the problem.

SPEAKER_01: 31:46

This is why the team has because he has not showed the balls.

SPEAKER_00: 31:50

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I have to move forward from two years ago and four years ago and five years ago.

SPEAKER_01: 31:56

I can move forward with the cowardly, with the cowardly chief.

SPEAKER_00: 31:59

Because here's because here's because here's the bottom line is that the team is they could call it what they want to, they're rebuilding.

SPEAKER_01: 32:04

I don't think 100% they're rebuilding.

SPEAKER_00: 32:06

I don't think that this is a retool. I think that they're they're calling it that because they can't move Miller and they can't move Zabanajad.

SPEAKER_01: 32:14

They can't move you're not moving Igor and you're not moving Igor, you just signed Gavrakov.

SPEAKER_00: 32:18

Right. So there's still enough veterans here that you can't call it that that that they're opting not to call it a rebuild for season tickets because they can still sell to their season tickets, they don't care about this. Of course they do, of course they do. They don't, you know why they don't care about us, Sean? They're giving away tickets for$75 these days.

SPEAKER_01: 32:37

Trust me now. Well, they care about it now because they can't wear a new home.

unknown: 32:40

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 32:41

If they had if they had a better home record than the road, you don't think they would fucking what do you think they're gonna try and sell this offseason to season ticket subscribers? It was a retool. We still have you know this high profile guy. We still have stars. Stars are still here. We still have these five stars are still here. Plus, come watch the new kids that'll be uh retooled around the stars. That's what they're gonna try and sell to you. But if they say, but they don't want they don't want to use the word rebuild because they don't because rebuild it sounds could be 10 years. The consumer thinks five years, three to five years. Whereas a retool, okay, they're gonna use this cap room, they're gonna go into free agency and make some trades this offseason, or maybe it's two years away. It's a shorter can I shorter long.

SPEAKER_01: 33:28

I I wanted to ask you this thing because this has also been a very big talking point. Johnny Lazarus has been all over this. I like I I've really he's really grown on me. Um why did you have to put out the letter for a second time? How do you I I mean, did you really need to do this again? No, you couldn't just have made the moves. We had to announce to the world again that we're open for business. You know why the letter have to move people? Because now, if they don't move people, now the fan base is gonna be even more mad.

SPEAKER_00: 34:00

You know why the letter came out because it's all the fire jury trance, yes, and he refuses to talk to the media. So rather than just get up and talk to the media, how many GMs are doing interviews this week?

SPEAKER_01: 34:15

Every one of them, your jury did an interview. We couldn't watch it. I got to watch Ken Holland do his interview with his stupid puss face. I wanted to punch today because he was handed a friggin' well, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00: 34:29

Is they they issue the press re you know, they issue the letter because it was so successful last time, and you know, they had an original thought here, rather than address the media, rather than actually stand there and answer questions. It was here's the letter.

SPEAKER_01: 34:48

We need to make up shirts of the cowardly lion holding the holding his tail like this before he's gonna seize the wizard. And that's true. I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks. I do, I do, I do because he does, he's afraid of everything. We can't make trades now. He's a freaking coward. Um, why does so this is well, I I but just I want to talk about the Sabinajet thing too. Um, we have a lot to go through. Let's let's get to uh can we get it? Well, I want to finish about the letter. Yeah, I personally think the letter, like you said, was a smoke screen to get it, it was dropped on a Friday afternoon, as per usual, with the fucking Rangers, as they head out to the fucking West Coast.

SPEAKER_00: 35:30

Knowing that they were trading Panarin within the next three weeks. So you have the fire drury chance, we're trading our best player in the next few weeks.

SPEAKER_01: 35:39

They should still be chanting that. I don't think they'll have it. They did for they did, yeah. I didn't, I didn't watch the end of the game.

SPEAKER_00: 35:45

That was in the beginning.

SPEAKER_01: 35:46

Oh, it was, yeah, but did it carry over? Did it sustain the whole game?

SPEAKER_00: 35:50

I don't think it sustained the whole game.

SPEAKER_01: 35:51

People leave. That's a thing, too. They catch in trains. I don't blame them.

SPEAKER_00: 35:55

So, what were you gonna say? Um, no, it's it's just there was the fire jury chance. They wanted they they needed to figure out a way to convey to the fan base that Panarin was gonna be, they couldn't just bench Panarin. You needed they need even they knew they needed to say something publicly as to why he was not gonna play anymore and that he was gonna be traded. They didn't want to blindside the fan base. Give him credit for that a little bit, I think. But the letter was the like you said, the cowardly way out to do a press release. It was a bit, it was essentially a press release. So it it is what it is. It didn't have the same effect, I think. The first letter had, because it didn't really give us much other than the trading panel.

SPEAKER_01: 36:38

They they I don't, I think it was NHL network, they put the letters side by side. It's oh it almost caught it, almost it just take erase Jeff Warden's name and put fucking Chris Drury's name on it. It was almost identical, Sean. I swear to god, if I had it saved, I cannot believe when I was looking at this. What am I looking at here? But I think the biggest I thought it was fake when I saw it. I I thought it was I thought the Panera trait was fake too, by the way, because Adam Schefter broke that. I'm looking at the thing, and I'm like, they have the same agent. I'm like, I'm really is this real? Because of course I'm in the goddamn doctor's office, I'm there two hours waiting for him. And when did you walk in? 255 or 258. I'm like, and now I'm not really even listening to what he's saying. He's talking to me, oh, how you feel? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I must have said yes to him. I he could have signed me up for a lobotomy. I wouldn't even known.

SPEAKER_00: 37:36

I'm sitting there refreshing my phone in a Turks and Caicos airport for two hours.

SPEAKER_01: 37:42

Right? My grated, I'm on the road to freaking Lake Placid.

SPEAKER_00: 37:46

I mean, my flight takes off at 310. I need to be comatose to get on a plane. I have to take Xanax and drink just to get on a plane, so that by the time my ass hits the seat, I strap on, I put my headphones on, and I am dead asleep within five minutes. Has to be, or I can't get on a plane. Yeah. Um, so of course, my plane takes off at 3.11. I'm already out by like 215, 230, you know, as soon as I'm on the plane. So I don't find out until after we're already up in the air and I can get on the Wi-Fi and look. But yeah, same thing. Like you said, Dr. 255. Like the minute the clock strikes 12, neither of us can fucking see what's going on.

SPEAKER_01: 38:28

No, it just it was incredible. And I was like, and I'm looking at the return, and I get I don't want to rehash it. And and and uh Jay Bagel, we we talked about Greenspan, uh Green Tree uh a little bit uh uh uh earlier.

SPEAKER_00: 38:41

I to Jay Bagel's just rock, just to tell you who Jay Bagel's, that's the that's Jesse. Remember, we went to um oh no, we didn't you didn't come with me to that one. Uh Das Beergarten in uh in Long Beach. Uh huh. That's his uh his brother's spot.

SPEAKER_01: 38:56

Oh, nice. Awesome. Yeah, we'll have to go there for another game.

SPEAKER_00: 38:58

Guys, go support that place because they're uh they do great stuff for Rangers.

SPEAKER_01: 39:02

I uh we we too we did. We should. We should support all our all our supporters. Yeah, Jesse's good. I uh we don't I Green Tree, we neither of Sean and I have seen yeah, no idea, Jesse. Uh we have no opinion on him other than these players never work for the Rangers. So that's the only thing I'll say. I'll leave it at that. I'm not optimistic.

SPEAKER_00: 39:23

I like what Russ had to say about him. Russ has seen him play many times. So okay. Hopefully.

SPEAKER_01: 39:30

Um we hope. As far as someone brought up Zabinajad, who was at Jonathan Riggs, brought up Zabinajad. Yeah, you know, Jim Jim Schmiedeberg from BSU said the other day, and I thought I think about how I feel about this. The guys that want to stay. Now he's like, I judge them because they're staying. And I don't necessarily disagree with him, but what are these guys supposed to say? Get me the fuck out of here? I mean, are they really I mean what Gavrakov just got here 10 minutes ago? I mean, again, I took a what are these guys gonna say at this point? JT Miller just got back, right? I mean, the only guy that the only guy that you can really is Mika, and he's been your best forward.

SPEAKER_00: 40:26

Talk about it's funny because we we I think universally they match 10 million for Fantilli.

SPEAKER_01: 40:33

Oh, easy. You would have to give like 15, and I don't even know. You would have to give 15 million and maybe even they match, they might even match that. Yeah, you would need to go after like a Jason Robertson and give him like 16 million dollars over seven years, yeah like something out of I mean ridiculous. You have to the only way you can get a guy like that is a guy that um is on a good team who are salary cap strapped, the way it worked so well for them, but uh the way St.

SPEAKER_00: 41:01

Louis did to Edmonton with Broberg and Holloway, and it's not happening because a nobody will be cap strapped anymore. Uh after not this, not this offseason. Everyone's getting$10 million.

SPEAKER_01: 41:13

Everyone, yeah, but but Dallas has to have other guys they need to get rid of.

SPEAKER_00: 41:18

But you you're giving up a top five pick then.

SPEAKER_01: 41:22

That's what I'm saying. I don't think it's gonna happen. I I think I think that there's a chance you could possibly threaten to offersheet him.

SPEAKER_00: 41:29

I'm saying it would be the Rangers' first round pick this year.

SPEAKER_01: 41:31

No, would it be next if it would be July 1? You can't offers anybody. Okay, that's right, that's right. You're right. Never mind that. So I mean, I but I'm just saying my my whole point when I when I said that before was this team might not be good for 10 years. So if you offers sheet Jason Robertson, I mean, you're talking you might be giving up a top. I mean, look what happened with Kessel.

SPEAKER_00: 41:50

Offersheet's not the way to go. The way to go is to make trades for these guys. You trade with the team.

SPEAKER_01: 41:56

A guy I heard that was kind of interesting is a is a a big uh uh is is the kid Pavel Dorofev who plays in Vegas. No, I'm good. I'm here, I heard that name thrown out there today because he's just a pure shooter. But now the problem now is you don't have anyone to get him the puck.

SPEAKER_00: 42:13

So let me get back to Mika quick. Um, it's because universally, I think we all kind of he's the poster boy for the fragility of the team, right? Um am I am I right or wrong? Do you agree with that or no? The agility of the team is the problem fragility that that that this team is fragile. I zone the emotional. I was reading something somebody wrote about how emotionally fragile they are and how you know oh 100 awful. He's been the poster boy of it, and through all that adversity where he's been completely count universally counted out by this fan base over the last two years, he's the guy who showed up this year through all of it and was our best player from start to finish.

SPEAKER_01: 42:54

Well, that's what I said at the beginning. I was like, you know, they Kreider gets traded, Truba gets traded, uh he's got his name slandered all over all over the thing, and he turns out to be their best player this year. So I like I said, I give I give him a lot of credit for what he's done this year, right? But let's be good, let's call it what it is. This team has zero pressure on them.

SPEAKER_00: 43:17

Not to start the season. That was not the case to start the season.

SPEAKER_01: 43:21

Uh well, not to start the season, but they didn't he didn't really start picking it up until the mid until we're a few months in.

SPEAKER_00: 43:27

That's not true. He started right away. Right off the bat, he was playing well.

SPEAKER_01: 43:30

Look at his numbers for that.

SPEAKER_00: 43:31

Right off the bat from day one, he's he's been very good.

SPEAKER_01: 43:34

They didn't score, they were shut out three in a row.

SPEAKER_00: 43:38

But he was, he was one of the few guys who was.

SPEAKER_01: 43:40

I don't know about that. We gotta go back, and I gotta we gotta look at the game logs. I mean, maybe you might be right.

SPEAKER_00: 43:46

I mean, again, it was him, Panarin, and nobody else.

SPEAKER_01: 43:50

You might be right.

SPEAKER_00: 43:52

That's been all season.

SPEAKER_01: 43:53

I still think that this team has zero expectations coming off of what they did. Uh, and uh, I know the solo. Of and bump, we were expecting something more, but I mean, look at tonight. I mean, tonight's the perfect example. Why the hell is Anton Bleed playing over Offman?

SPEAKER_00: 44:11

Who played on the third line? Because they're not going to put Offman on the fourth line anymore. Johnny Brzezinski and Taylor Radish. Yeah, so they got them in for a game. Who gives a shit? Move on. It's a nonsensical thing to get upset about at this point.

SPEAKER_01: 44:26

What Drew's gonna have to do, and I know him and Sullivan or lockstep, he's gonna have to get rid of all these crumb bum veteran guys and wave them. That's the only reason to stop playing them. Yeah, that's only we gotta get rid of Radish. I know Radish is 28 years old, I get it, but I feel like he's been around forever. He's terrible or 27. He's terrible.

SPEAKER_00: 44:46

He's not terrible.

SPEAKER_01: 44:46

He's not for for his less points and goals than last year. He has eight goals. He had three of them in one game.

SPEAKER_00: 44:53

Big game.

SPEAKER_01: 44:55

And they still lost.

SPEAKER_00: 44:56

Yeah, it's what I tried to San Jose. That's right. It was at that game. Um they scored five goals and they still lost. Well, my point is I completely disagree with you about that. There was no pressure. The whole point was there was pressure on them, and that's why they weren't scoring. They admitted it that the pressure got to them, and that you know, the the the shutouts at home took on a life of its own. And it's they because they don't play that way on the road. So there was a ton of pressure on this team. And it just once once Igor went down and you were without Igor and Fox, to me, that's that's where everything went sideways. Yeah, that's where it all went sideways. And again, no, no time veteran well before that.

SPEAKER_01: 45:40

I thought Louis Doming was a was a is was a much better, you know, third. If you had to spot him in for a few starts, they had I mean they had to bring this guy Spencer Martin in from friggin' Russia.

SPEAKER_00: 45:51

How much is it showing that Dylan Garrand is just not an NHL? He's not an NHL goalie.

SPEAKER_01: 45:55

Yeah, no, they would have gotten a shot here.

SPEAKER_00: 45:57

He's 22.

SPEAKER_01: 45:58

I'll tell you, Sean, you look at you look at their farm system, you got to see the defense when they're playing at Hartford. I mean, go down, go in and you have some free time, go on Puckpedia and look at the guys that are on defense. Derek Pouliot, Casey Fitzgerald, Connor Mackey, uh Tom Fitz, uh not Tom. Did I say Casey Casey Fitzgerald?

SPEAKER_00: 46:18

Yeah, he's sorry.

SPEAKER_01: 46:18

Uh Brandon Scanlon and I don't, I don't even, and I think the other guys are made up of um uh you know tryout players. Uh what the hell they call those. Um AHL tryout guys.

SPEAKER_04: 46:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 46:31

I mean, that's who's that's who and Jackson Dorrington, which I don't think he's even is he down in Hartford right now? Yeah, he's in Hartford. Oh, he is in Hartford. He's the only one that is any any everyone else, it's it's like 30 years old. I mean, that's who's in Hartford.

SPEAKER_00: 46:47

Delzado wasn't available.

SPEAKER_01: 46:49

Oh, I'm like, what is going on? What is going on? How do they not even bring in like college free somebody? You bring in five guys that are that are are 28 years old and older to play defense in Hartford.

SPEAKER_00: 47:03

They couldn't get the local kid Joe Duzak onto uh onto Hartford here.

SPEAKER_01: 47:06

Oh my god, it's terrible. It's it's it's so bad. It we like I said this we are in we are in worse shape now than we were in 2018. Oh the only reason why they were able to turn it around in 2018 was because they had somewhat of a foundation, they have nothing. This is they're worse than I think they were in in 04. I think oh in 04, you had well, first of all, you had the lockout which saved them because they probably would have been bad that following year. But I mean this is bad. This is fucking terrible.

SPEAKER_00: 47:42

I'm glad you brought up 04 because I text you. I text you and I'm like, because I don't want to forget this on the show. So let me text this to you. I'll get it out to you now. Yes, yes. The stink that permeated around the veterans of from two because I to me 2002. I'm glad you brought this up because I had a point. Go 2002, 2003, 2004. That I understand it was seven years of misery, but right to me, it was two different teams. The 97 to 2001 team was was one group of guys. When Lindros got here for those three years, that rock when you look at that roster, incredible. It's like how the fuck did this team not?

SPEAKER_01: 48:20

They had no defensemen, but names-wise, they did. But they had offensive defensemen, they had nobody to keep the puck out of the net.

SPEAKER_00: 48:28

But it was just it, but it was crazy how that though that those rosters never. I mean, they sniffed the playoffs in 2002, but the two like the 2002 team to me, 2002 and 2007 are such similar rosters, right? And the 2007 team was a Chris Jr. fucking shot with six seconds left away from getting to the Eastern Conference Finals, and who knows what they do, right? You know, past that. And 2002, they didn't they didn't sniff the playoffs. You know, Lindross gets hurt after game 72 or something like that, leading the league in goals, and that was it. They fell off a cliff. But the stink that permeated from the bobby hole leaks, and you know, Lindros caring more about at that point, just staying healthy than than playing hockey anymore. Leech on his way out, Messier just mailing it in for the final couple of years that he was here. Not to shit, I'm not trying to shit on Messier. That's not the reason I'm saying it's just no, there was a stink in that room where it became acceptable to lose. Everyone was making their money, poorly constructed teams, too. There were, but what happened in 2005 when they come out of the lockout? You have a team of young, hungry guys. Jagger had just gotten there for two months before you know the lockout happened. So Jagger wasn't really part of, even though he was here at the end of 04, he wasn't part of that era, no. So they're starting fresh with Jagger in his prime still, and a bunch of cast-offs checks, a lot of checks. These were all guys that were just cast-offs from other team, nobody nobody wanted them.

SPEAKER_01: 50:06

True, and and they also stepped in shit with Hank because they did they had no idea Hank was gonna be as good as he was.

SPEAKER_00: 50:13

But that room was able to form its own identity right away because you got all the stink. There was what were there three names, three players left over from 2004?

SPEAKER_01: 50:26

Tom Pode was one of them, I believe. Uh, he was still here. Uh Dominic Moore, Dominic Moore, Jagger, mate was Ortmeyer. You pull up, pull up the old four roster. I was looking at the old four four roster because there were some names on there. I'm like, I forgot even played for them. Uh, but it was Dominic Dominic Moore, Dominic Moore. Did he play pre-lockout? Yes. I are you sure? He might have, but he was very 90% positive. Uh Casparitis was another one. Thank you. Kasparitis was here. Kasparitis, uh, Jagger. They brought Ruczynski back.

SPEAKER_00: 51:03

So Feder Tutin played 25 games.

SPEAKER_01: 51:05

Fetter Tutin, I was gonna say Fetter Tutin.

SPEAKER_00: 51:07

Played 58 games, right? Dominic Moore played five games before the laptop.

SPEAKER_01: 51:10

Dominic Moore, what about Ortmeyer?

SPEAKER_00: 51:12

Ortmeyer played 58 games.

SPEAKER_01: 51:14

So Ortmeyer, Dominic Moore, Tutin. Um, Blair Betts wasn't here yet. No, Blair Betts, they got it the trade deadline. Uh he got him in the Chris Simon trade.

SPEAKER_00: 51:25

Uh all these names, like all these guys were they were all gone. So the whole my whole point I'm trying to my whole point well to the audience, whole point I'm trying to make is that you gotta get the stink, whether that's Miller, and I love Miller, but now that we're moving forward, listen, I I'm good with them moving on from him if he's he's open to it. I don't think he is, and I think he'll be here. But the the sooner we get to Miller, Mika, Fox, Igor's a goalie, so he doesn't matter in this because goalies are never really part of the locker room nearly as much as the skaters are, all of them combined, and they're great players. That great for Adam Fox, great player. You guys got me to admit it on the show.

SPEAKER_01: 52:09

Adam Fox is a great player and they miss him, and the season went downhill as soon as he was no longer playing, which they didn't do two years ago when he got hurt, they actually played better.

SPEAKER_00: 52:20

Yeah, this la Violette's first year, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 52:23

When when Fox and Igor went down, they actually won what 10th straight, or they had points in 10 straight, or something like that. Something ridiculous like that. I'm sorry, did I interrupt you?

SPEAKER_00: 52:33

Yeah, the whole point I'm trying to make is that if you want this room to turn over, then the players need to turn over to just bring back the same essential, like out of the core of guys that we're talking about, Trochek's really the only guy who can be moved. So if you're still bringing back Mika, Fox, and Gavrakov, and I know Gavrikov's new to this, but guys who have just they've lost so much now in the last two years as the leaders of the team. What changes? Yeah, what change what changes next year? You come into training camp. Really glad you brought that up. So, you know, Miller comes in with the no BS shirts, and and listen, to Miller's credit, I understand Miller got they bought in, they just couldn't score. Not that they buy in. It was like Sullivan to me did his job because they tried like hell they tried.

SPEAKER_01: 53:22

Like they tried, they just couldn't finish. And again, again, this goes like the other team.

SPEAKER_00: 53:28

They were healthy for 11 games.

SPEAKER_01: 53:31

Igor, I think that was part of it too.

SPEAKER_00: 53:33

Trochekeepers.

SPEAKER_01: 53:34

I think the injuries played a biller. I think the injuries really is what derailed them.

SPEAKER_00: 53:38

I think those five guys played played 11 games together, Rock, and they were seven and four in those in those 11 games.

SPEAKER_01: 53:44

I think the Fox injury, I think the mill, I think Miller was hurt really all year. I think Miller's still hurt, and I'm telling you now, I mean, if if he after the Olympics, if he's still hurt and he's playing, then we have bigger problems. Rempey's played hurt. Uh Edstrom's been hurt all year. You expected more out of him. I I mean, Labra's been in and out. It really's been Panarin and Zabinijet have been the only two guys that were were fairly healthy this year. Never gets hurt. Never gets hurt. Well, you need to you need to play hard to get hurt. You know, I can't be red faced after a 20-second shift. Like you just freaking were playing out in the freaking in the in the wild for freaking two hours, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 54:25

Uh what movie is this from? How come you're oh um stripes, Bill Murray? How come you're always last? I'm pacing myself, sir.

SPEAKER_01: 54:34

But uh I'm glad you brought this up because when you sent that to me, I I I've been looking a lot at the rosters that were left over from 2004 and 2018. Like who who was there, who was traded. The big difference in 04 was you traded out a lot of players. Yeah, you traded out Kovalet, Nedved, Leach, Barnaby, Chris Simon, and to the point where you had to bring in guys off waivers just to fill a roster. You know, they brought in Josh Green, Mike Green, Sandy McCarthy's last last last rodeo. I mean, they needed just warm bodies there to play. Um, you know, they brought in you know guys that played in the lineup. Chris McAllister came over. He he wounded up being a stiff. Uh he came over from Colorado in the Barnaby trade. Uh, they brought in uh I don't know if Blair Bear bet came in the in the sum, but he was later. But I mean, you just look at the amount of guys they they they moved out, right? Opposed to in 18. All right, who do they move out in 18? They moved out uh Miller and and McDonough and Nash and Nash and someone else, right? Grabner and Grabner. And you know, I mean they moved out four four significant pieces, and I think that's where they cleansed the team over two seasons. The following year they moved out Hayes, they moved out Zuccarello, right? So they slowly, as I guess you couldn't trade seven. I mean, I guess the days are trading seven guys off your roster in one offseason.

SPEAKER_00: 56:17

Well, they did it last year. How many guys did they trade last year off the roster?

SPEAKER_01: 56:21

Well, they traded Riley Smith and uh Kacko. Kacko, Truba.

SPEAKER_00: 56:27

I didn't why don't I yeah, Truba. I felt like they traded Heedle.

SPEAKER_01: 56:32

Yeah, so they did they traded a lot of guys. They trade a lot of guys. Um, so I don't not really 100% sure they're gonna be able to cleanse the roster the way they'd like to under the circumstances, but I do think that if if they can Alingren, thank you, Jimmy VC, thank you, Andrew. He's like our want to be our producer, Andrew. Boudreau. Goodrow, Goudreau, start the season. Yeah, that's a lot of guys. That's literally that's certain guys. Well, that I mean, that's what also people have said, you know, they turn he turned this president trophy winning team into a team that is now gonna miss the playoffs for two straight years and probably gonna miss the playoffs for a while. I I just and unless a guy, I mean, I mean I I let's say he makes some shrew trades that we don't see coming, but I haven't seen it yet, Sean. And and I I don't know if he has it in him, but now it he can maybe weaponize cap space.

SPEAKER_00: 57:33

So so that was the point we're we're we were kind of getting to before where I was where you were talking, you went on a whole thing with jury, and I hate him. I'm not as hateful on jury as you are. Awful. Um we've yet so here's the thing is everyone who's saying he can't do it, we've never seen him fail at it, and we've never seen him succeed at it. So to me, there's there's no track record in him rebuilding something.

SPEAKER_01: 58:04

He had gotten progressively worse.

SPEAKER_00: 58:06

He inherited Gordon's yes and no. We both wanted Goudreau and Truble off the team, right? We both wanted we both wanted his contracts moved. Okay. He moved both contracts. Okay. Who did he replace him with? It was cap space. They replaced him with capspace for what?

SPEAKER_01: 58:24

Who did they bring to sign Igor to sign Igor?

SPEAKER_00: 58:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 58:27

They didn't get better, they stayed the same. Okay, and then what did they do?

SPEAKER_00: 58:32

Traded away Keonja Miller to sign Gavrakov and get assets back.

SPEAKER_01: 58:38

Did they trade him or did they they trade a Creider away to get Gavrakov technically? But either way, however you want to No, they I well Yeah, yeah, I guess if you really sit back and think about it, how many guys are? Trochek was a great signing. How many guys on this roster has Chris Drory brought in himself?

SPEAKER_00: 58:58

How many guys that's on the current roster?

SPEAKER_01: 59:01

On the current roster. Gavrakov, Trochek, Miller, Mika wasn't, Schneider wasn't, Lafreniere wasn't. Well, that's that's the whole point. Was Lave one of his draft picks or was that a Gordon draft pick?

SPEAKER_00: 59:16

I believe it's one of his.

SPEAKER_01: 59:17

Okay. Othman's his.

SPEAKER_00: 59:20

2002, yeah, 2002.

SPEAKER_01: 59:22

Burard's not, but Rad was the year before, correct? Not that he's on the roster. He brought in Sam Carrick, right? Drury, but that was a Drury thing.

SPEAKER_00: 59:29

All right, so here's the Ranger draft picks. So his first draft was the Offman draft. Correct. So here's here's the players. I'm just gonna turn this way for a second. Here's the players that Drury has drafted that are either on the team or in the system and favoring off. Okay. So Offman's here. He's not favoring off, but the rest of that 2021 draft. I mean, Yaroslav Schlemer, Talen Boyko, Brody Lamb, Jaden Group, they just Schlemer's played. Right. So he's so he has played. Oh, Himalach.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:04

Himilash right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:06

I will always call it Schlemer until there's a reason not to.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:09

Okay, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:10

Um, Adam Socorro, we still have not seen. McConnell Barker probably looks like he's just an AHL player. Lava. Okay. Mancini, he sold high on. Good. Uh Barbashev, we'll see if he ever makes it here in Zach Carpa. Gabe Perot is here. EH ECHL. True Fortescue for a late third round pick.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:31

That's the guy. That's the guy I was looking at that might be the one saving grace on this blue line that that uh that we have to look forward to possibly for next season. Uh Dylan Rubrik. Like him. I like him, but again, I don't think he's gonna be anything more than a fourth-point guy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:50

No, but you're drafted, you're talking about guys that he's drafted in the sixth in the sixth round. Right. Ej emory looks like defensively he could be a player.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:59

Sean, those guys are wonderful. I'm I'm not sitting there.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:02

But they're late picks. He hasn't had a top 15 pick as a GM.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:06

Well, Offman was 16th overall.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:08

16th. So I said he's not had a top 15.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:10

So the trap, I'm just curious. They get this kid that the Pittsburgh drafted, this Kindle kid who was drafted in this past draft, right? Which draft pick did they get him with? Please don't tell me he did that with the Rangers draft pick.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:24

What uh what when the Pittsburgh pick.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:28

They get Kendall, who's 18 years old, who's fucking lighting it up. Again, Pittsburgh steps and shit once fucking again with a great player, a great forward, once more.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:40

No, our our pick was 13th, right? 15th, I thought.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:43

They didn't Pittsburgh have back-to-back picks.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:46

Yeah, so they traded one of them. So they drafted Kendall with the 11th pick, but I don't think that was ours.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:51

No, that's not our pick. I think our pick was later.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:54

So Pittsburgh must have traded. Yeah, because Pittsburgh only drafted 11th.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:00

Maybe they trade. Did they did they move up? Who do they trade the pick with? Because it was originally Vancouver. Vancouver traded to Pittsburgh for Marcus Patterson, another stellar. I mean, these two franchises between the they deserve to be one and two in the worst in the league. Two worst run franchises in all of hockey. Vancouver and the Rangers. Two worst by far. Trading a first round pick. Your team stinks. You trade your a top, possibly a top 15 pick from Marcus Pederson? I mean, oh my god, that's a freaking terrible trade. How he how Patrick Alvine still has a job is beyond me. He's fucking awful. For an 18-year-old, Blaine? For an 18-year-old 12 goals? Pretty damn good. Where would he rank on the Rangers if he had 12 goals? Sniped one last night. Pretty sick to me. Where would he rank? Where would he that pick went to Philly for who?

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:11

Okay, so it did it was the Philly pick. All right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:13

Well, that's all right. So what who did Philly pick? Just out of curiosity.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:16

Uh Carter Bear. Uh Jack Jack Nesbitt, who's playing in Windsor.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:21

Jack Mike Nesbitt's son?

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:24

No, Nesbitt.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:25

Oh, Nesbitt. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:28

So he's playing in Windsor with uh with our new friend Liam Green.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:31

Alvina is the he probably so it's very similar to the way Montreal's work in theirs, where Gordon's pretty much running the show, and and the other guy, Ken Hughes. Is that Ken Hughes' name?

unknown: 1:03:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:43

That's what they said. I served that on the show. Yeah, Jeff Gord is technically the GM. He just doesn't speak French. It's I mean, it it is true. I'm gonna tell you something. I I want to get I will get into it later. I'll tell it to it later. There's something I want to ask you about uh about other teams, but um yeah, I I mean Trochek's the next big domino, and I I don't know if they do anything else. Maybe they move a Sam Carrick, maybe they move a Taylor Raddish for for a seventh round pick, or I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:17

I mean maybe maybe that's why um Johnny Brzezinski's in the lineup tonight and not Offman is maybe trying to showcase it him to someone who will give us a fifth or sixth round pick for him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:28

I don't know. I don't know. Offman stinks. He's fucking terrible. It's not good. It's incredible, Sean. I mean, do you have to shake your head at this and go, are we ever going to ever have a superstar, surefire, star forward drafted by the Rangers?

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:50

They don't draft speed. And to be a surefire superstar in this league, you have to draft. And he was a star. Second novel in the roles and you know what?

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:02

There you go. Perfect.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:05

He's a star.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:06

Gus, I think they wanted to move Othman the whole season. Nobody wants him.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:11

Nobody wants him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:12

Nobody wants him. And at this point, he is going to be a career monoliga for the Ravens.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:15

Someone giving you a six-round pick for Brennan Othman, you might as well keep him and hope that's I don't know. Hope he finds something. Because it's likely better odds at that than the six-round pick. And you need someone to play. They do hope that he finds a scoring.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:29

I'm telling you, go look at Hartford Roster. It is bad.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:33

It is bad. All you need is Brennan Offman.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:36

All you need is Brennan Offman to find like a 10-game heater where he scores five goals.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:42

And maybe you got to call pick for him. Bobby Sanguinetti. Didn't they get two seconds for Sanguinetti? Did they really? I think they got two seconds for Sanguinetti. Wow. I'm pretty sure. Good for them. Or one. Was it two? Or were they try they traded two seconds for Tim Erickson? know it was one of those uh i know they got a second round pick for sanguinetti um yeah i i don't i don't know i mean uh you know i i think back like i mean gordon and i think of gordon and sather what they did you know they were able to convince jimmy vc to come here hayes neil peonk all guys they were able to utilize as assets gordon was able to you get tim um sather was able to get tim erickson who he was able to be utilized as an asset for what who what the hell has chris drury done to to to weaponize they their their salary cap strapped i i mean that was the one thing that gordon and sather did well was they were able to find those young maybe they didn't draft and listen the rangers have traded away draft capital after draft capital right but they were able to bring in those college free agents vc and haze were were first round picks essentially yeah well vc wasn't vc was a but i'm saying is as he's valuable i get what you're saying and even heal piank sean i mean even pianque i mean he was he was a good defenseman and they were able to utilize him and and and weaponize that asset i i mean they they brought it he's brought in nobody who's who's this college free agent he signed do you remember in one i'm a thousand percent on board with you on this so what i want to know what what what confidence level are you at that this guy's going to be able to pull this off or are we just hanging in the weeds for the next two seasons for this team to be shit the bed for two straight years and for them to pray you know sign of the cross that they've someone falls into their lap is that is that what we're waiting for but that's not drory i just went i've just accepted the reality that dolan is not firing this guy he's isaiah thomas at this what would it take for dolan to fire him you think if anybody knows anybody yeah right so set him up jesse if you could send one of the bartenders from das Biergarten over to uh Chris Joris we need that no but I mean like what what would what would it take for for honestly what would it really take for Dolan to fire him how many years of playoffs missing it would take years it would take pressure from the board what could happen and and this is you know I mean Sean I I wasn't at the game obviously neither were you but for what I understand was there were a lot of empty seats a lot of you can't obviously you can't see that on TV and uh I don't I don't go by Delta Club seats not being filled. Right. Um he did say the lower bowl was very empty uh I I mean I don't know if a complete the I the only thing I can see happening and I don't I I don't think it's even feasible is for every season ticket holder and every everyone to just not show up to the game. Because forget about forget about the money that you spent on the ticket forget you lost that it's the concession stands it's the merchandise well they don't get they don't get a piece of the train but I'm just saying like the consumer I'm saying I'm saying how do you how does the fan base have a voice and the only way you have a voice is by not you want to go to the game and clap for the team fine don't buy a hot dog don't buy a beer don't buy a soda eat before you come completely boycott no I'm serious boycott and it'll never happen but I this is my what I thought of as long as you acknowledge that part no it never happened but I'm just saying that is the only way in my opinion that's where you hurt them that's where their markup is they're not making money on your seat I mean they are don't get me wrong but where they make their real money though Sean come on where they really is the beer and and the concessions that's really where the money comes that's where the where the where the grade is I give them tens of thousands of dollars a year trust me they're making money well no I know that but I mean again if you stop spending the extra money and just went to watch the game why do you think they don't want season ticket holders anymore oh no right because they want more people involved because you and I will maybe you they want to wider net I don't go to the game and and have three or four drinks I don't no I bring my own alcohol I'm saying I I don't do any of that stuff so they don't want me there they don't want the the old retired guy that that uses pension money just to go to the games to who doesn't eat eat or drink anything that was goes there to to enjoy the sport they don't want those type of people they want the people that want to spend money but just got home here we go Mike just got home from the game it was quiet and many open seats so Mike if you're quiet there's no goals there's nothing to cheer for well he's hit open seats yeah well you can get no Let's go right I mean they weren't getting I mean I know well they were getting caved down the shots were 46 to 75 but that's always you can't go by that with Carolina um yeah they they're a very volume shooter team but uh how many how many would you say if you would have guessed so this guarded hole is 18 000 yes 200 how many empty seats would you say there were if you can let us know I'm curious were there was it half empty because it was one of those stupid centennial nights and people need to go there to get their bullshit friggin' confederate uh kids uh ticket thing centennial not confederate uh centennial so this will be our final broadcast we've been canceled uh centennial uh ticket stub rocks reenacting revolutionary i know i should i need to i'm freaking i'm freaking having flashbacks i mean this is deja vu no i mean this is ridiculous i've got a civil war boot with the foot still in it so i don't so speaking of the civil war when i was in in the polconos there used to be a um a uh flea market up there and they used to sell all those civil war memorabilia up there it was pretty cool i used to look around and they had one civil war gun with a a live still had a live round in it which i always thought was so cool uh like everything else that's no longer there 85 full that's still too many maybe 80 okay they still made money it's still that's still too many rock all you gotta do is remember this team still sold out msg for seven straight years well you know the thing too is and the big thing too well let's be honest i mean one year you get bore one year you get lindros one year you get jagger one year messier comes back you're gonna fucking sell tickets dude yeah that's you're right i mean it was like uh it was a show and with the other problem with the garden is you got these europeans coming in from from all over the world oh the rangers are that side they don't care if they win or lose they could care less i mean they're rooting for them but they don't care about the standings or anything like that they just want to see a hockey game so the rangers are gonna have 30 million dollars to spend and we'll get into this more like on later shows but you could see them just filling out depth of the roster with just five million dollar players guys looking for an opportunity but almost on a one year contract yeah yeah yeah like they did like they did coming out of lockout right I mean I think it what was it Nelander signed a two year deal Straka signed a three year deal uh ruchinsky signed a one year deal I mean it was like it was like that where Halabic signed a one year deal they they acquired Steve Ruchin uh Jason Ward was a two-year deal uh so I'm just I'm just I think but I agree shake the head but I'm just saying like that's what they might they might do that that might be what we see and that's I mean we don't have a Peter I don't think we have a Peter Proca coming to score 30 goals as a rookie no I mean I don't think we have a Feder Tootin on the blue line I mean maybe Fordeskew surprises us right um I mean they really didn't have much I mean you know to Blair Betts turned out to be the best prospect they got out of I'm serious no I he turned out to be the best prospect they got out of that 2004 in the first round picks stunk and obviously we've gone through all the second round picks that they they signed with well they didn't get Cal Ana Dabinsky from that draft but um but we are in this spot right now because of the horrendous horrendous drafting of Jeff Gordon yeah for all of Jeff Gordon's really really good trades unbelievable trades that he made right his drafting was equally as bad you were like you have like you and I are like on point tonight because I wanted to bring this up too if one one guy one player from 2017 to Lafreniere's draft turned out to be a star I'm talking about superstar one guy one guy you only needed one they'd be in a different place today they all failed every single guy some nice players Kaco's gonna probably play 15 years in the league Lafreniere's probably gonna play 15 years in the league uh Keandre Miller's gonna play a long time heedle we got help him I don't know about him but yeah it's unfortunate I mean miss after miss I mean and I mean like Johnny Carson used to say bombo I mean they were bombs well Miller was a good pick for where he was picked heedle was a good pick for where he was picked yes correct but well they said if he if they redrafted heedle would go in the top 10 right but I mean Kratzov Leah I mean the guy that were drafted after him Leaherson I can't get on them Sean I I I I want to but I can't get on them for Lafrenian Cobb no no you can't I can't I I but the other drafts but the other drafts failure because what they were trying to do was they were trying to bring in Leahson because he was ready to play now which was not the right decision to do right why because you just traded Stefan you needed him you needed him to play that's exactly what it was fucking stupid and Jeff Gordon should have known better than that because he knows how to build a team he's a he's a very intelligent person just a terrible but he let Gordy Clark right do his thing.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:46

Right but I mean listen I mean we got to really look back I mean sh I mean Bobby Sanguinetti Gordy Clark draft pick I mean you can go on and on that's what I'm saying he he was terrible at I mean he got JT fan off either I mean that was what that would have he did draft JT Miller and he did draft Kreider who were both mid first round picks and they both turned out to be star players so credit where credit is due. It's when they've dipped their toes in that European market man they just they shit the better and they've kind of and they've kind of steered away from that again where they've drafted the Europeans in the later rounds where they either with Jesper Fast and Haglin when they went down that road right they're starting to do that again with Edstrom you know uh with other guys so I don't know man listen the hope is that EJ emory can play Fortescue can play Perot looks like he can play but I'd like to see some more production out of Perot especially in this role and he's he's getting every opportunity right now um he should be on the should be moved to the first power play later on this later on this year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:50

Well when they trade Schock they'll they'll probably move him up there no no it well was lavernier already up there lavernier is up there now but I'd like to see perot get that chance if we can we for they do they do need to draft a goalie they do they're gonna have to draft a goalie yeah Garand isn't the guy yeah they're gonna have to draft the fact that he just the fact that at this point have you seen their goalie prospects too it's boyco and uh Hugo Olus and then that Kale Tong that that Asian goalie they drafted and then there's another guy oh Garand but I'm like and they're all 23 20 I mean they're starting to get old to be down there.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:29

25 is still kind of young for a goalie I mean we we really don't see these goalies get to the NHL until they're almost 25 for the most part uh say there's drafting say there Gordy Clark was there for a lot of say that's draft picks uh Jessamine has to say the draft pick McLath has to say the draft pick uh both Korbikoske and Gordy Clark started in 2007 I believe I think that was Gordy Clark's first year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:01

Okay so I'm wrong. So then who who was the director of scouting before Gordy Clark I don't remember either I could probably find out in one of my earbooks but I'm pretty sure I'm almost positive Gordy Clark's first year with us was 2007. So if you want to know who was in 2001 and 2002 uh say there was a GM Walt Kyle was an assistant coach professional scout you know I don't even know if they had one that's probably just the GM wheeling it yeah Harry Howell was a professional scout that's funny Christopher Rockstrom who was a big he got a lot of those uh he was big uh he he drafted like Kovalev and and then Chinoff and he found a lot of those guys Brad Park wow you gotta see the scouts they had back in the day uh Brad Park was working for the team here we go yeah he was a scout look at that uh don Maloney might have been director of player personnel was Tom Rennie uh vice president and player development was don maloney Ron Lowe was the head coach oh god you want to hear some of these names so this is the 2001 so this is the 2001 2002 media guide right sedano seeger was on this team yeah uh the Vorak deo Flory uh who else Sylvan Lefebbe was still on the team Leach Dave Karpa so this must be Igor Ulinoff Michael Groschik so this was this Santa's first year Steve McKenna oh my god Sandy McCarthy Malholtra Vladimir Malakoff yeah this might have been Lindros so they didn't look like they had a uh a a scouting uh director back then they just probably watched the world directing probably Rennie and uh Maloney right because I'm pretty sure Maloney was the one that made the pick for Jessiman I'm pretty sure so I mean Gordy Clark I mean say they're mid-round so okay so I'm Rob I don't know if you heard me talk about this before but mid-round picks Callahan Debinsky they went through four second round picks before they drafted Debinsky or three right three three three then they drafted someone in between Dabinsky and Callahan so out of six out of what are we saying three four five out of six draft picks they're all I mean they they were able to get two guys and honestly but I just think it's hilarious that they went through three guys in the second round before they finally got Dabinsky it's incredible Dabinsky was from isn't he from Alaska yeah so how much scouting was probably done of during the Dominski you know right and then Callahan was a third was he third or fourth round fourth round right I think they drafted this kid Billy Ryan in the third round um is what it is Shea was a late first round pick Stefan was a second round pick and you're missing an off anisimoff was another great second round second round pick but none of these guys are stars right they're good NHL players solid NHL players and I'm I'm not knocking them as draft picks give me one one super i need one star one the big the 50 was pretty fast we never draft a we never draft a guy that's speed with fifth round i'm saying it's first you're talking about all these first first round picks you know Miller a little bit and Kreider was fast and what would you know two best first round picks we've had in 20 years well was Miller considered fast when they drafted him his he's fast I wouldn't consider him a speed demon he was not like Crider but he's fast I don't know we'll see but they don't draft we don't draft speed mark stall was a good pick Dan Gerardi was a free agent he was an unsigned free agent but both but but that's my point he was able to find these guys right see that that goes back to my point with Drury I mean Longwist was a seventh round pick that was a good one but that was that Neil Smith or no but that was say the right longist no 2001 was Neil Smith it would have been yeah um those I'll be not gonna lie to you those those seven years of no playoffs are very blurry in a lot of ways they kind of all blend together that's why that's why to me it starts again at 2002 the two the yearbook you just pulled up that's the first that that three years of Ron Lowe that's a that's an error for me yeah but those teams weren't bad i mean I mean you had Traccier thing is a totally separate okay lunch was a star but give me a forward that was a star a hall of fame player they do great with goaltenders don't get me wrong resident winners hall of famers they they're good with the goalies give me the forward that was that was an absolute superstar that puts up 50 goals every year puts up a hundred points and that's a hall of famer give me the forward you're right Hank was Hank was money they found the they found the goaltending i i mean I mean we all watched the part of the game tonight I mean going all the way back to Davy Kerr Chuck Raynor Gump Worsley Jacobin Jilles Villemore John Davidson John Van Biesberg Mike Richter I mean I mean teams would would die for these I mean Philly would die for these goaltenders a lot of these teams would but Kelly Lindbergh Carter Hart Sergei Babrowski yeah probably the kick of themselves for Robrovsky you think so Lundquist thank you okay Lunkwiss was the 2000 drift but slats was here in 2000 I think so the lie of 2000 I thought Neil Smith was here until 2001 I got the yearbook right here 2000 uh you want to hear some of the names on that one uh Dave Check it's no Neil Smith was here in 2000 so maybe it's just 2000 hold on I'll tell you right now who they drafted uh this is 2000 there is 99 2000 you said you say so it's Neil Smith you said yes okay oh my god assistant GM Don Maloney pushed for the selection after being urged by Swedish scout Christa Rockstrom yeah see so another guy that they probably that say that one thing I will give say there like a knock for is he traded Matthew Schneider he should have kept him I I don't think they got anything great for him either or no he left as a free agent I'm sorry he left as a free agent I mean some of these teams are so bad so this is so 2000 99 2000 was this is when so Gretzky left the season before and this is when they went out and they went ape crazy with players but I mean but look at some of these guys so Brendel's in the yearbook Jason Doig Daryl Theo Florey Adam Graves are still on the team Todd Hart beat Harvey he did get Janholovich which was a which turned out to be a very good pick Kim Janssen another Kim Jansen was drafted in the 15th round crazy is that incredible had a nice career Valerie Kamansky so this is when they went crazy with all the spending Mike Kanuble was another guy that was on the team that wounded up having a great career that was a bad trade Darren Langdon Eric Lacroix Brian Leach again Melholtra Sylvan Lefeb I guess was on the team still Tim Taylor was on the team Tim Taylor was another guy they traded John McClain was on the team Kevin Stevens they referred to him as former ranger John McClain the other night on the broadcast I go please don't ever someone refer to John McClain as former ranger.

SPEAKER_00: 1:27:40

Yeah that's I I've forgotten that he's a ranger I I I sometimes forget that too I've put that out of my brain because it was the oddest thing to watch what do you play two years here Mike Mike York again these are all guys like John like John McClain's another one someone here collecting a paycheck John McClain scored 28 goals though Fuck him. He had one good season.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:02

Fuck him. I get it. Just like the people hated Pat Flatley being here. I don't worry about these things. I don't. I don't. LaFontaine was here. Did you like? Did you mind he was that he lost Pat Lafontaine? Okay, so what was the difference?

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:17

Because I was always jealous of Pat Lafontaine wasn't a ranger. I was never jealous that Pat Flatley wasn't a ranger. Yeah. Well. Or John McLean. I just I hate it. I hate that I told I hate devils players more than even Islander players. I would have loved I would have loved put it this way. I would have loved it if Todd Bertuzzi and Ziggy Palfy became Rangers at some point.

SPEAKER_01: 1:28:36

Well, I don't know if I don't know if you heard my live. You know that we were talking about the uh the Islander Ranger trade about Susie, and I said that the Rangers had a trade in place. It was supposed to be for Palfy and for Rich Pelon. And they they a trade was in place. I forgot who the players were involved going to the Ranger, going the other way from the Rangers, and the Islanders nixed it and wound up sending Palffe to LA. Um, because it was money. I guess it was I guess back then it was money thing that the Rangers weren't giving them enough cash considerations or whatever, right? And uh Palffee wanted to go to LA. That was the whole I think it was the whole Oli Okinen. I think Oliokinen was the guy that came back to the Islanders, but um yeah, they rangers and islanders don't make very trades very often. And considering that four in their history and two of them were in their inaugural season, I mean that's incredible in a lot of ways, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:31

To me, it was like I said, I thought I I held out not hope, but that's where I wanted Panarin to go. And the reason being is they had the most assets to give up, and they were the most desperate to trade assets to get him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:47

See now, you know, circling back to this, I was hoping that Panarin would have given them two teams. All you needed was two teams, right? If you had two teams and say, listen, I'll either go here or I'll go here. That's all you needed. Yes, because then you could have just butt the two of them against each other, and then that's it. But the fact that he said LA and that's it, I'm like I'm like, well, and again, I'm I'm still surprised he took chose LA over a lot of the other teams, but yeah, I again he just he wanted he wanted to I'm very curious to see what happens in the next month. And I guys be ready to be disappointed. It might just be Trochek because I would not put it past him to push Braden Schneider off to the offseason, like he did with Keandre Miller.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:38

But does it matter to you if it's the off-season or the trade deadline?

SPEAKER_01: 1:30:42

It could be partly only for the fact that the instant gratification part of this whole equation that we still gotta watch, but we still gotta watch a pretty much a dead man walking. I want the all the guy, all the guys that are not gonna be on this team next year, I want them gone now. I don't want to think about them next year. I don't want to think about it. I want these guys now. I want to know what we're gonna be going into the off season doing.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:10

But you but if if Drury doesn't feel he's I I don't want him, I don't want him mc going full McDonough here either. Correct, you're right. That was a rushed move for no reason.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:20

Well, I'm wondering if that's I'm wondering if that's the the price you pay to putting out a letter.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:29

Is now you feel you feel you're gonna make moves, and to me, it's the same with Trochek. Don't just trade Trochek at the deadline just to move them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:37

And please stop bringing up Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:41

I mean, please stop. I mean they've traded everybody that's anything decent on that team. Right. They don't have a first round pick this year. I want if they don't get at least four pieces for Trochik, it's a fail. I agree. First round pick, a top prospect, a roster player, and another piece. Right. Would you take Line for the rest of the season as a salary dump? No.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:09

Why? Because he's the epitome of the guy I don't want.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:12

Okay, but you're not keeping him. You're taking him on to absorb salary to get another asset.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:19

Oh, I see what you mean. Yes. Yeah, then I'll do it. I would I would take Charles Manson.

unknown: 1:32:25

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:28

Really went dark there.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:30

I'll take anybody at that point. If it's literally just hilarious, if we're literally just you know doing Arizona Coyotes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:36

No, I'm I'm just saying, like, would would you would you bring because they're gonna have they might have a little bit of cap space? I think they're gonna have like eight or nine million. That's without trading anybody else. Yeah, I I would be the third million, I think, of of deadline space. Would you consider saying, all right, we'll take line for the rest of the year, give us a second round pick or a third round pick? And you know, do we have to play him? He might get hurt first.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:04

Do we just put him on IR?

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:05

Yeah, yeah, it's a shame. He's such a big talent, though.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:09

Big talent, but where has he played?

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:13

He's played in Montreal, Columbus, Winnipeg, just those three spots.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:21

He went from Winnipeg to Columbus to Montreal, yeah. Just those three.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:26

I feel like he's played.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33:27

I remember when he came into the league, and I'm like, this guy is gonna be the best. Watching him up close, because like I said, when he came into the league, that was when I was sitting in the Delta C in section two. And he just he was he was just a massive. I I didn't know how big he was until I saw him live. I go, holy how does someone that big skate that fast at that? It was like Obechkin when you took the side uh and that you know, he was 19 years old, scoring 50 goals. That shot, that release that he had, speed, like just that combination of all of it. Like I said, to me, he was I thought he was gonna be Obechkin, which is crazy to ever compare someone to Obechkin, but that's what I thought he was. He just can't stay healthy. I mean, that's that's really the big that's not it. No, it's he's he's also a head guy, yeah. He's 20.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:20

Sean, he's only 27. He's an old, an old 27. But I mean, but let's be fair. I mean, look at the numbers. He's played when he played a full season, his last full season he put up 30 goals. But even in with Columbus in 21-22, he had 56 points in 56 games with 26 goals.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:42

And how'd they finish? Awful. You're just never gonna you're never gonna win with with guys like that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:47

Line had had uh with uh with Montreal last year.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:52

I don't want to bring this back to the islanders and and islander envy or anything like that, but you saw who was it that uh Rempey hit somebody against the boards, and you had three Islander players immediately jump on Rempey and start punching them. Three our guys don't do that, and I'm envious of that type of of a team. Not that I'm envious of the islanders, but it just you you want guys that just that play that certain play that certain style. Yeah, I'm not saying just goons, there weren't goons that did that. No, that jumped in, that was just my teammate got crushed.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:32

I mean, Barzell gave a two-hander to uh who was it, Erica Branson, or who the hell do you give a two-hander to who tried to hit Schaefer or Marshman? Mason Marshmallow.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:44

Mason Marshmallow, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:45

I mean Barzell's not a fighter.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:47

Do any of that? That would have been that's the equivalent of Savannah Jack. Yeah, I'm like, well, that's what I mean when I say get you have to get the stink out of here.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:58

I know, Sean, but the problem is, I mean, it's it's not just the older players, it's the younger players.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:04

You want Drury, you want Drury gone more than I want the players gone. I just know maybe it maybe done side. I just don't same my buddy Rich Martino's the same way. He the the I said the same thing with the stink, and he goes, Drury's the stink. I go. No, I mean, but Drury actually wants guys here that'll beat the fuck out of people. He's the opposite.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:28

Okay, who's your who is your JT Miller? What has he done? George moves has he made Gavrikov. George Bavakov beats the hell out of people.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:39

He plays physical, he clears the net. He's a very physical defenseman.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:43

Yeah, all free agent signings and and and gift. You're right, you're right. Anyway, it is what it is. I I don't know what to say, I don't know what to say. I just sucks that we have to now wait four weeks for this bullshit friggin' tournament. Ah, here's where I disagree. No desire for this.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:00

They have said that so much action is gonna go on during the 16 days, it just can't be official. Yeah, but you're gonna hear a ton of rumors. The rumor is gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:12

You really think Chris Drury is gonna let shit slide about Trochek while this team is playing for the fucking won't be jury, it'll be the agents.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:19

The agents are the ones who are talking to the media, it's not the GMs. Yeah, but the GMs are the ones that need to make the trades. But it's the agents that are the ones talking to the media. I'm just I'm just saying, you saw how much misinformation there. I mean, it it appears from everything that Elliott Friedman came out with today. Florida and Tampa were never even part of this. And you had you know all the big guns up in Canada saying, Oh, it's I'm here in Florida, everybody, I'm here in Tampa, everybody in this town, everybody, everybody. And now Friedman comes out today and basically squashes everybody, like Washington was was kind of in. Carolina was the team that was really trying.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:02

Didn't they offer him a big contract too? 40 40 million. I didn't hear numbers. I thought they offered him a big contract too.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:09

But Carolina was the team that was that was really trying, and that teams made their proposals of what they were willing to extend them with, and that was that was the start. It was everyone gave their proposals to to Panarin's agent, and then he picked from there and he picked LA and that was it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:28

You know, it's funny, like it, it's very it's very surreal to be on this other side of the table. Um, when it comes to getting hosed. Like where you kind of used to being the team where we we have the player that wants to come to us, so that's we got Patrick Kane for nothing. Yeah, yeah. And so it was very humbling to be on that other side, and and you just gotta eat it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:56

Right, like there you go, everybody. What everyone who's disappointed in this. We gave up nothing for Patrick Kane, and Patrick Kane's a better player than Artemis Panarin.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:04

Uh maybe over his career. Yeah, something not when we got him. Panera's better than him.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:10

No, but I'm saying it's I mean, Patrick Kane's all-time point.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:15

I know, but you gotta always remember when you where you get where you where you get the guy from at what point. But I think Panera Panarin's gonna play. He's not he's not done after these two years. He's gonna play. No, Panera's gonna play till he's 40.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:26

Patrick Kane is the best player on three cup teams. It's better, he's better player than Arthammer Panarin for a career.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:33

I don't to me, that's not that that was another stupid bullshit thing that they did bringing him in, disrupting the whole room.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:41

Absolutely. Again, you look you gotta learn, you gotta learn from your mistakes because it's it's so hard to blame him. It's not like you sought out Patrick Kane, Patrick Kane sought him out, and then when you saw I don't even have to give anything up, and I add Patrick Kane to this room, to this depth. Like it's almost like how do you say it upset the apple?

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:01

It upset the it upset the chemistry of the team.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:03

That was the problem was Galant. Gallant should have done with Patrick Kane. It's weird because we hated that A V did this when Eric Stahl came in. A V should have made Eric Stall more of a full point for the Rangers when he got here. Whereas Galant should have made Patrick Kane Phil Kessel, essentially, with Pittsburgh. He should have made him his own third line and not upset the apple car at the top six or the especially the first power play. There was nothing to fix on the first power play. You ruined it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:36

So but as far as his job, essentially correctly at his job.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:41

But again, that's not Drury's fault. And again, it's it's not like he sought it's just how do you how do you get on the GM for not adding Patrick Kane?

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:51

Because you don't need him, but Sean, but it's his job to know if they if it's an essential. I get it, I get what you're saying, but they didn't need him.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:01

And if we lost, if we lost in the first round and it came out later, the Rangers could have had Patrick Kane for a second and third round pick. We'd be killing him. How do you how do you not add Patrick Kane? I don't know. And he goes to and Kane goes to Dallas or something like that, and Dallas goes on a run, and Kane has 16 points in 16 playoff games. We could have had him, or we could have had him for nothing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:41:26

Kane was a shell of himself when he came to the Rangers. He's actually played better now than he than he played when he played for the Rangers. Same thing with Eric Stall.

SPEAKER_00: 1:41:32

But he had a big series, he was the only guy who had a big series for us against the Devils. Ironically, on one leg. Anyway, yeah. No, and I was against it. I was against it. But at the same time, when I'm looking back on my ledger of things Drury's done right and wrong, I have it's like drafting La Ferniere number one overall. Any GM would have done it. Yeah, I guess there's no GM who would have not added Patrick Kane for what we had.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:01

Maybe he should have, maybe then he should have just acquired Mikla and just not bothered with Terasenko then.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:06

But that was a month and a half before. You didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:08

No, I don't know if it was a month and a half. Was it that?

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:10

We got him in January. We got Terrassenko early. Yeah. Yeah. January 15th, if I remember, is the date that we uh he scored the first shift and then he didn't score for another two weeks. Too funny, right? If if Patrick Kane was 100% recovered from his injury and 100% coming to the Rangers, remember, we didn't even know he was healthy. No, he played what five, six games with with the Blackhawks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:36

And now look to run to down Detroit's a contender again. Only took them eight years. Took them a long time. Again, shitty goaltending, and uh it took them a very, very long time. They did it, and they did it without without drafting first overall. They made it back, right? They got all that's why, but that's why they had so many top ten picks though. So they had Cider and Lucas Raymond. Who else?

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:04

Michael Rasmussen was ninth. Was he? Yep. Marco Casper was eighth. Is he even is he playing regular right now, Casper? That's who I was hoping we were gonna trade Banarin for. Yeah. If Detroit was there, maybe Trochek.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:18

I heard Trochuk might go to Detroit. That was something they were talking about. He's going to Minnesota. Sean, I am telling you right now, he's going to Minnesota. There's just too much. I I've heard it so many times.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:30

But I guess you want to get me on board with the Chris Jury should be hung, castrated, and in a public forum? Trade him to Minnesota for Charlie Strammel, and I don't know, so much.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:44

A first-round pick in 20 in 27.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:46

Do they even have a first-round pick in 27?

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:50

Oh, wait, you know. I don't think they do. Wait, they give two first-round picks for uh the Hughes?

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:58

Hold on, I could check Buck Pedia to see when they uh Detroit, right? Draft picks. Oh no, no, we were looking at Detroit. We were looking at uh Minnesota.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:13

Maybe they don't. Maybe it's 28.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:16

No, they do. They have their they have their 27.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:18

There was a team that didn't have the 26 or 27 first rounder. And I can't think of who the hell it was off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:25

Probably Florida.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:26

Probably Florida. That's it. Florida. Thank you. Yeah, so Marker Casper was drafted eighth in uh 2022. 2022. We're in 26, and he's still not a regular player?

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:37

He is.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:37

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:38

Okay. He's got uh he had 37 points last year. So again, he's another guy who is now blocked. He's got 13 points in 57 games this year, but his minutes are down to 13 minutes a game. Whereas he played 15 and a half last year. He had 19 goals last year. Maybe maybe they go after him. Very fast center. 6'1, 200 pounds. Well, that's the other thing, too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:05

Is if I'm trading Choczyk, I have to get a young center back. I think that has to be a prerequisite. You don't have a you don't have a first-round pick and a and a and a top end. I mean, not talking Bret Howden. I'm talking about a like a shortfire top six center. You're not getting him. We're gonna hold him.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:23

And that's why I'm not that's why I won't kill Drury if he doesn't trade these guys by the deadline.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:28

Then the letter is fucking stupid. It's even more pointless.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:33

It's stupid anyway.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:34

Yeah, anyway. You want to go through the games?

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:38

No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:39

I have absolutely zero desire to do that. Oh, dude, I I'm I don't even know why I watch these games, or just for become a masochist at this point.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:46

So so let's just just for just to humor ourselves. Okay. I'm starting to fade here, so let's yeah, let's go through Phillips Zadina. They took sixth overall. Joe Voleno, they draft 30th overall. Fail.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:00

Keep going. Cider sixth overall. Nice. He was he was picked high. They people were wondering why he was picked so high. He was supposed to go that high.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:07

Lucas Raymond, fourth overall. Nice. Simone Edvison, uh, sixth overall. Okay. Who's playing 20 minutes a night for them now? Defenseman? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:19

Is he related to Joel Edmondson?

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:21

No. Edwin Edvinson.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:23

Oh, Edvison.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:24

Yeah, he's playing 22 and a half minutes a night.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:27

I don't watch a lot of red wing hockey. They like the Swedish guys, huh? Very exciting. A lot of Swedish guys on that team.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:35

Tall and speedster defensemen. Uh, what year was I at? Sorry. Edmondson went sixth. Marco Casper, who we just talked about, went eighth overall. They also have a guy, Dmitry Bish uh Bushelnikov, who I like. Uh has not made it to the NHL yet. Nate Danielson's another young center, drafted ninth overall the next year in 23.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:58

But they never drafted higher than so. Raymond was the highest pick. Was he fourth? Fourth. So they never drafted higher than fourth. Right. Wow. And that's why they this is why they they're still where they are. If they may be drafted, you know, in the top. If they would have drafted Celebrini with the other guys, you never know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:19

Right, Dylan Larkin was drafted 15th overall. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:25

So Dylan Larkin's never m in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:28

No, not crazy. And he is the epitome of like a guy you want in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:33

Yeah. Wow. Oh no, he has.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:35

His his rookie year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:37

That's right. They were talking about that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:39

Five games. That's right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:40

Now that I mention it. Was that Brad Richards last season? What year is that?

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:47

15-16. No, they lost to Tampa in the first round.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:50

No, but Brad. No, Brad Richards on Shig. No. Yes. That was Brad Richards was on that team.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47:59

Brad Richards.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:01

He played one year with Chicago and then he went to Detroit.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:03

68 games.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:04

I remember they played together. Okay. Anyway. Dude, listen, I mean, we need to get Steve on. We need to start talking about prospects and and you know what we can expect. Um, and we need we need to get some other we need to get some other opinions like uh with with the future and and what what what we can expect because honestly, I am so down right now, like I I don't know. I don't know. Because I asked Steve about Minnesota, he goes, they don't have anybody.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:38

Oh, they don't.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:39

Even I know that they don't have anybody.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:41

Yeah, so you don't have to go deep when a team gives up four prospects. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:47

Well, was Rossi considered a prospect?

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:49

Yeah, that's true. Just a young player.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:48:53

But a young stud. Right. Zim Boonham, we all knew was a top prospect.

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:59

Well, when you're bringing in, when you're bringing in friggin' because that's the problem, is that why don't the Rangers ever make trades like this? They hold on to these prospects until until they don't have any value. Yeah. I mean, this guy could turn out to be a bum, Zim Boonham.

SPEAKER_00: 1:49:12

Who who knows? They don't know. See, when you bring up trading cooleie, I have two trains of thought on that. I have the one train of thought where I think he's an excellent third line player for the next 10 years. Why would I want to trade him? I'm not paying him anymore. You're gonna have to pay him at one point at some point. He's gonna get six, seven million dollars. Not if he's only a third liner. But okay, but again, that's my point is why would I want to trade someone like that? I'm not paying him a lot. I think he has a use. I think he's a long, I think he's the epitome of the type of player I want on my third line. He hits everything in sight, right? He'll score 15 to 20 goals, which is all you want from a third line player. I just don't think he ever belongs in the top six. But to your point, if there's a GM out there that covets him to the point where they're willing to. Overpay, then sure, I guess why not? Why wouldn't you trade a third line? Why would you ever why why would you clutch onto someone with a third line ceiling?

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:13

If the if a star players, a legit star player becomes available, in my opinion, there shouldn't be anybody on this. I'm not talking about that. Well, that's my point. I'm like, I'm not trading cooley away for a first rounder. Are you?

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:30

Depends how high in the first round.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:32

I mean because let's put it this way. Well, he was older, but the Rangers got the seventh overall pick for Derek Stefan.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:42

For Stefan.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:42

Yeah, I would do that. And then Tony D'Angelo. I would do that. But they also traded Ranta, but beside the point, um you would so you trade the seventh. You if they get the seventh overall pick in this draft, you trade Will Cooleyfield.

SPEAKER_00: 1:50:54

I think I think inside. Yeah, I even 10th.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:59

Even though you're not a draft pick guy and you you want prospects, you are willing to trade one of your most valuable assets, but he's still a good asset, though. He is someone might turn around and say, Oh, well, uh, the rain, the whole Ranger team had a shit season. So, but maybe we can convince somebody. I mean, that's how I would look at it. But I'm trading him for in a package for a stud player. I I don't know if I would necessarily trade him for a I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00: 1:51:29

I get what you're saying. I'm just talking about that. I would I would trade high on him if someone valued him higher than I do.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:37

Oh my god. Wow, fan base really turned on him too now. Woo!

SPEAKER_00: 1:51:41

And he's gonna be traded because I bought his jersey.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:44

So everybody's soured on him. If I have a jersey of somebody, they're gonna everybody's soured on every guy on this team. Is there anybody on this team that you can honestly say that the fan base hasn't maybe lava?

SPEAKER_00: 1:51:57

Gaver Gavrakov and Lava.

SPEAKER_01: 1:51:59

That's it. There's nothing you can say bad about either player and Igor. Well, Igor. You think that how do you think the fan base would react if tomorrow the Rangers said, all right, Igor said he wants to be traded, or we're trading Igor. He he's he's he said he's not gonna stand in our way. How do you feel the Rangers would would feel about that? About the Rangers, the fan base.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:22

I mean the immediate reaction lose their minds, to lose their minds. And I'm this is this will trouble people. I I'm probably against that. Really? Except for what oh my god, except for what what could the return be?

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:42

Uh but what could the return be? Because how many let's look at it from this perspective? Who could afford an 11.5 million dollar goalie?

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:50

San Jose.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:52

Take Asharov back.

SPEAKER_00: 1:52:56

Give me Ascarov and Misa and a first.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:00

Wow, I don't think they I don't think they would get that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:02

Why would they not do that? It's not a goalie.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:07

It's the goal proved because the league has proved, and this is the problem, when your best player's your goalie.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:14

It's not Macklin Celebrini's the best player, even with Igor on the team.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:18

Okay, I get that. But you do not need an elite goaltender to win a cup.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:23

That young team needs an elite goaltender to mask their mistakes and just let them go play elite level offensive hockey.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:30

Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. And again, I'm not saying that's getting traded there.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53:37

I'm not saying that I'm not saying that this would happen, but I'm saying I could see not that I could see it happen, but that's the type of package where if I was getting back Misa, Skarov, and a first, I think I'd I think I'd be nuts. I think I'd be nuts to not move, to not move on. Because again, if if this is going to be even on the quick side of it, a two to three year rebuild. Now Shisturkin's 33 years old. And you're telling me I could have Michael Misa like in perpetuity here?

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:12

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01: 1:54:13

Yeah, I don't know. I think what they need to do is they need to just hand they need to figure out a way to get bit some of these guys like like kind of kind of what um Washington did where they they took a problem for a problem type of trade or change the scenery type of thing. You know, they got Jacob Trickin for nothing. Oh, they got him for nothing. Yeah. Something ridiculous like that. That's what they gotta do. I know everybody has$10 million, but$10 million in cap space goes very quick when you have to fill multiple holes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54:49

If you're see the the trick is to get, and this is why Trocheck has so much fucking value, in my opinion, is you're trading for guys who had value contracts on the previous caps. A five and a half five point six million dollar cap it on next year's capital, too. Nothing, yeah. No, it's nothing, it's nothing. And I think Chick Win was making what six when they got him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:13

Was he making that much?

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:14

Yeah. So he was making six million from Ottawa. But he just re-signed him, though. No, I'm saying when they traded for him, he was he was making six.

SPEAKER_01: 1:55:24

Oh, he was making four and change, I think. That's it. I thought it was six. Is he because that that was the contract that I think went with him with uh with Phoenix when Arizona, whatever the fuck the name, whatever the team name was at that point. Um, I think he was making like 4.63 or something like that. Because I remember I looked into him, I said I would have traded Keandre Miller for him a few years back. And I unless they gave him like a one or two-year extension on top of that, but I thought he had like two years left when they traded him to Arizona or to Ottawa, and then Ottawa traded him to um, I wonder if they traded him with with maybe a year left, and then he was gonna be a UFA, and then he had that monster year, and then then Washington signed him. Yeah, and I'll tell you, he's been great ever since. I mean, he I think he's been healthy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56:17

Washington.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:19

Yeah, I mean, OV, OV, OV's, you know, the blooms off the rose there. And still leading the team in goals.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56:25

Still has to go. Is he really? Yeah, unbelievable. 47 points and 58 games.

SPEAKER_01: 1:56:30

I mean, yeah, he's got he's got them. I mean, he's got uh he's like Messier. I mean, in in a lot of ways, Messier didn't score like him, but I mean he played and he played at a high level into his late 30s. He's 40. Into his 40s. I think Messi was like 42 when he retired, right? Was it Messi like 42? 44. Was he 44? I could have sworn he was. I don't think he was that old, but you might be right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56:56

You might be right 43. 43. Okay, split the difference. Split the difference. That's funny. But yeah, those those last three years. 7, 18, and 18. Who Messier? Yeah, he was hurt one of those years.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:12

Yeah, the first uh I mean 18 goals, eight Sean, 18 goals on that shit team. Oh, I get it. I get it. 40-year-old guy, I get it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:21

I get it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:21

I think that was pretty decent for a 40-year-old guy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:25

42 42 years old. He was still playing almost 19 minutes a night. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:30

I was at the game. That was my first season. His last season was my first season as a season ticket holder, and I was at the game where he passed Gordy Howell for most points for second all time. Yeah, that was a pretty cool game. That was he's he did it on an empty netter.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57:44

But it's great, it's great when I'm looking. So I'm looking at Messier's career stats. I never, for some reason, never really looked at it like this. Uh-huh. They moved on for him, literally, at the right time. He had 80, he had 88 points his last year with the Rangers. 84 points his last year with the Rangers. He had 60 next year with Vancouver, 48.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:07

Not as good of a team.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:08

44. Not as good comes back, comes back to the Rangers, 67. He scored 67 points at 40 years old. His first year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:17

Oh, is that right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:19

Oh my god. How did he not make the playoffs?

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:23

That was that was the uh the checkline year, the fly line and the checkline.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58:28

Wow. I I didn't even realize that. That is insane. 67 points as a as a friggin' 40-year-old. I know he scored 47 goals one year. He was supposed to, he would have scored 50 if he he was hurt that year. Um he had 99 points. He would have scored 100 points if he was healthy. He missed uh he missed a bunch of games at the end. He was on fire that year. That might have been the year he scored 500.

SPEAKER_00: 1:58:58

So it was Fleury, Messier, and York. Or Flurry, Messier, and Kamensky. That was the year the checkline had their ridiculous year.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:08

Yeah. Well the next year he was he was hurt. He only played 41 games. But I mean, Sean, I mean, 43 points for a 43-year-old in his final season. I mean, that's where did he rank on the team? Well, he was oh, he was down there.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:25

Oh no, he's second on the team at points. Well, everybody left. Nobody played more than 30 games.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:31

Well, yeah, oh, Jagger at 29. He probably would have played the full season. Halavic at 26. Oh, that's when they brought Halavic back.

SPEAKER_00: 1:59:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:42

That's when they brought Halavic back. But didn't they bring him back again after the lockout? I don't think they did. Oh no, no. Maybe it was just maybe a tryout. No, that was that was the year they brought him back. It was the year before. And then he was done after that. I think he played for the Islanders for a little bit. Um, but who else? I mean, they didn't trade every I mean I mean he only played seven, he played 76 games. Cole will have had twenty only at Cobel had 42 points in 66 games. That was not a good season for him. No. Uh Ruczynski had 42 points in 69 games.

SPEAKER_00: 2:00:16

Yeah, I'm looking like Nedved. Good old Bobby Holik, third line center, let us in uh in scoring.

SPEAKER_01: 2:00:24

25 goals. Played all 82 games, though. Was he the only guy? He was the only guy to play all 82 games.

SPEAKER_00: 2:00:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 2:00:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 2:00:33

You see Boris Miranov. 75. Jeez. Casparitis. The stalwart on D, Boris Murunov. Oh my god. 20 minutes a night.

SPEAKER_01: 2:00:46

I can't believe he survived. Greg DeVries is another guy they traded at the deadline. And Malakoff. I mean, look at all these guys they traded at the deadline, Sean. Kovalev, Ruczynski, Barnaby, Nedved, Chris Simon, Malakoff, Greg DeVries.

SPEAKER_00: 2:01:04

They did bring in Rakunic, who, you know, got, you know, he was uh he was a very highly touted prospect when he's a ninth round pick, but don't forget they traded Ace.

SPEAKER_01: 2:01:20

Barnaby?

SPEAKER_00: 2:01:21

Ace? There's only one ace.

SPEAKER_01: 2:01:25

Anson Carter. Ace. Oh, Anson Carter. Yeah. Hey, ace here. But uh, because everyone's called them Ace. But they traded Carter for Jagger earlier. Carter. Anson Carter was straight. I mean, look at that. 17 points in 43 games. I mean awful. Awful. Wow, look how many guys ahead on this team. Chad Corey LaRose, Lane Ulmer. How many guys? Look how many guys played one between the nine and one game.

unknown: 2:02:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 2:02:02

Brance Bryce Lantman. Lawrence Nicolette. Oh my god, these names. Thomas Pak, Chad Wiseman. Thomas Pak was another free agent signing. He was another another coll another college or college.

SPEAKER_00: 2:02:18

Good old Hartford legend, Ken Jernander.

SPEAKER_01: 2:02:20

Yeah. Chad Wiseman. Dale Purington played 40 games.

SPEAKER_00: 2:02:26

Jamie Pusher. He was terrible. I couldn't tell you Pascal Rayom if the guy landed on me. I've never heard that name before.

SPEAKER_01: 2:02:33

Yeah, Pascal Rayom. They lost him to waivers. He won a cup with the Devils.

SPEAKER_00: 2:02:40

He played 300 games in the league. I've never heard that name before.

SPEAKER_01: 2:02:42

He won a cup with the Devils. Go for it. And then uh he played for the he played 24 playoff games for the Devils in uh in 02-03. I knew he won a cup with them. I know he played 24 playoff games. Jason LaBarba. Look how many goalies they had. Dunham, Marketin, Jamie McClennan, Steve Valaquette, Jason LaBarba. They had five goalies. Unbelievable. I have this game because this is Messier's last game on VHS somewhere. I'm going to try to find it and I'm going to try to put digitize it there. And uh I'm going to play some clips from it. I have this that game. I have his last game. I have Gretzky's last game. I have more on VHS tapes. I gotta, I gotta get them. I gotta do that. I gotta spend some time.

SPEAKER_00: 2:03:34

So part of the sign off, I'll just I'll wrap it up my end of it, and you can counter it. Yeah. I I think that this is gonna be something where we kind of need to give this this trade deadline this offseason. It'll be similar to 2018, like you said. Yeah, it'll be a two-year wash of cycling cleanse, of cycling out the garbage and seeing what comes back in. Because again, we know these veterans are most likely not going anywhere unless they get sick of the losing and want to leave. Zabenajad, I just don't think is ever leaving. And oh, that's what I want that encounter with before because you brought up Jim Schmiederberg's comment where he says I hold it against these guys that they want to stay. Zabenajad has a chance to go down, statistically speaking, as the second greatest ranger of all time in points, in goals. Like this, and it's there's something to be said for that. There's something to be said for the that he might stay here. What is it, 12 years total, 13 years total if he honors the entire contract? And maybe that's something that's important to him. We get on guys who want to leave and you know chase and and do all this. Don't you want to win a championship?

SPEAKER_01: 2:04:56

I mean, you want to just stay here and rot away.

SPEAKER_00: 2:04:59

But is it rotting away if you if you if it's a retool, no?

SPEAKER_01: 2:05:03

If it's a rebuild, yes. If it's a retool, no. Because remember, we're gonna know this offseason if this is a retool or a rebuild. We're gonna know straight off the bat. Because when when Jeff Gordon made all the trades, who did he bring in that offseason? He brought in Jack Johnson on a one-year contract, I believe. He signed the Mestikov, and they did nothing else.

SPEAKER_00: 2:05:25

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 2:05:26

I mean, maybe they brought in, I think maybe it was Kevin Rooney was in the offseason. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00: 2:05:30

Rundog.

SPEAKER_01: 2:05:31

But but but they did nothing else. Right. They signed their own players, whatever Kai's needed contracts. Hayes got a one-year deal, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Well, maybe Hayes got a whatever. But they did nothing else. Right. So we're going to know right off the bat by July 15th of this year, if this is a rebuild or a retool.

SPEAKER_00: 2:05:55

That I agree with. If we don't see any type of movement, if they're not bringing in guys that can help them with free agency, I could see because I could see them moving veteran pieces out for young assets that are either possibly ready to play now, maybe not ready to play now, draft picks, young players. Right. And again, I could see them going out in free agency and adding guys that can help them now on short-term deals. I could so I could see that being the re to me, that signals a retool. It's similar to what they did in 2006. If they don't, to your point, if they don't go out and sign guys to these short-term deals or go out and really try and improve the team with veterans, even young veterans, then again, it's it's a long road.

SPEAKER_01: 2:06:47

Tomorrow is one one month from tomorrow, is the trade deadline. Yep. So I think we'll hear we're gonna have an understanding of what's going on.

SPEAKER_00: 2:06:55

I I think we'll hear a lot of chatter over the next uh two weeks because in between any of these games, especially until they get to the middle rounds, there's gonna be a lot of misinformation and disinformation.

SPEAKER_01: 2:07:09

I do agree with that. I do think there's a lot of I think there's going to be some uh uh conversations, and then you know, when the trade thing lifts, we're gonna see if it's a flurry of things or if it goes down to the wire.

SPEAKER_00: 2:07:20

Was it Friedman? That's a because I heard it from someone today, and I I don't remember hearing anybody other than Friedman today. But was it Friedman who said he thinks that like everyone will take a step back for the next couple of days? And then after that, yeah, a lot of conversations will start happening. Yeah, framework for like it's almost like the day that the whistle starts, we're just gonna see like eight moves, nine moves all come out on that same day, yeah. Which is all the work that was done during the freeze. Yeah, it's possible.

SPEAKER_01: 2:07:51

So we'll see. I'm excited to see what's gonna happen because honestly, that's the only hope we have right now. It is the only hope.

SPEAKER_00: 2:07:57

I'm still hoping every game because I still this is it's what I do.

SPEAKER_01: 2:08:00

Well, you want to see if these young guys are getting any better. I mean, that's really what it comes down to. That's what you hope for. You don't know what the other guys are gonna do. You what you dare to watch Perot, maybe maybe watch this this 23-year-old. We didn't even talk about Vincent Ayorio, you know, who they brought in. I mean 23 defense, 23-year-old defenseman, six foot three. You know, why why do they bring him in? I mean, why not?

SPEAKER_00: 2:08:23

So I don't think they're sold. I don't think there's I don't think they're sold on morrow. That's why I don't think so either. So they brought in a they brought in a 20, but this is the type of guy you're targeting, a former second-round pick.

SPEAKER_01: 2:08:34

I'm fine with that.

SPEAKER_00: 2:08:34

23 years old.

SPEAKER_01: 2:08:35

I'm fine with them doing that. Robertson bringing them all.

SPEAKER_00: 2:08:38

Robertson was a second-round pick who took to age 24. So maybe this coming helps. Right. And Mike Greer, again, Mike Greer and Jury are friends. I'm sure the first question was I know you had to wave the guy because it's a roster thing. What do you think of him? Yeah, see what happens. Doesn't hurt. Nope.

SPEAKER_01: 2:08:57

It's better than watching John Gilmore and Grab Bogara. All right, guys. All right, guys, have a great night. Later. Later. Oof, that was a long one.