Drury’s Zoom Era And The Search For A Star

We get back together live on Long Island to vent, laugh, and map out what would actually make the Rangers fun again by September. We dig into Drury’s guarded messaging, Sullivan’s decisions, and why the next big move has to bring real impact instead of more hedging. 
• liking the late-season effort and wanting it to carry over 
• needing a healthy JT Miller, Fox and continued Mika surge 
• insisting on adding an impact player with top-six bite 
• breaking down “hedging” language from Drury and Sullivan 
• calling out the Rangers’ limited media access and Zoom-only approach 
• crediting Vince Mercogliano for pushing on access and accountability 
• debating Brady Tkachuk trade reality and what it would cost 
• questioning injured usage and heavy minutes for key players 
• criticizing veteran-heavy lineups over development in meaningless games 
• sorting out blue line fit, puck-moving needs and Schneider versus Borgen 
• reacting to the trade deadline dud and what it signals 
• previewing the draft lottery night and why the top-five pick is must-hit 
• arguing best player available over drafting for need 
• talking Alex Tuch, contract length rules and cap-space temptation 
• discussing backup goalie options and why Garand feels ready 

Transcript

Live Together On Long Island

SPEAKER_05 0:57

We're united, and it feels so shitty. Um, watching plenty of playoff hockey, and the Rangers are not one of the participants, though we do have some uh former Rangers around the league. So that's been a little bit fun to see. But we are finally live here, showing Enrock together, not uh not individuals, or neither one of us uh made it on to the uh Artemis and flew up to the moon here. Uh we are both live on Long Island, ready to give you our thoughts on the season and the off-season then uh is coming up here. I tried a Francesa lead in. It sucked. Rock, how's it going, bud?

SPEAKER_04 1:42

What's up, my friend? It's been uh it's been far too long. It's just nice being with you. I've been I mean you and I mostly talk every day, but um seeing you in this environment is uh is nice, so I'm excited. I'm excited to get going here. And you know, this is uh like I texted you the other day, this is my one of my favorite times of the year. If they're not in the playoffs, this is this is my uh this is my fun time.

SPEAKER_05 2:07

This is the Greek Orthodox uh Christmas for Rocks.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Pretty much, yeah, for me.

SPEAKER_05 2:13

For me, yeah, can say that. So let's start first with uh we we don't need to get into the obvious bad year. We could get into a thousand reasons why, and yeah, maybe later on the show we'll give some opinions on where things went wrong, what could have been better, all that fun stuff. But here we are today. Sullivan's not going anywhere. So harping on whether they are up to the task or not doesn't really help us or or the listening audience. They're not going anywhere. What do you want to see happen? What what what's gonna bring a smile to your face and get you pumped come September when you start to read the guys are reporting to camp? What what gets Rock's juices flowing?

SPEAKER_04 3:07

You're gonna think that I'm I'm crazy for saying this. Um I liked what I saw at the end of the season.

SPEAKER_06 3:16

Good.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

I liked the effort that I saw. I liked the um the young players and and everything that came with it. I just want to see, I just want to see the same effort and everything next season. That's the only thing. I mean, that I I want to see what a healthy JT Miller looks like. I want to see uh La Frenier take that that step that we think he's take he's taken. I want to see Socorro and Himilash, you know, in a full season, you know, bang some bodies and create havoc. Um I want to see Perot take the next step. I want to see Fox get healthy. You know, two seasons in a row, he's not been healthy. I want to see Mika continue to progress and shove it up, you know, people's rear ends the way he has. All of that plus plus, I need them to bring an impact player in here of some kind. Um, this hedging, as Vince Macogliano called it, uh, that Drury and Sullivan did with saying they need a puck moving defenseman and help on the bottom six is uh their way of saying they're not gonna come out and say we need a top six forward because for two reasons. One, they don't want to possibly lose this the guys that are already there, one and two, you know, that that guy might not be there, he may not be available. So if they come out and say, I'm looking for a top six forward, one, the price is gonna be sky high, right? And two, it might not be available, correct? So I I mean, at first, I said I I lost my mind when I heard that, and then I thought about it. I'm like, oh, this is definitely this is as Vince called it, I give him credit for it, hedging, and that's exactly what they're doing.

SPEAKER_05 5:19

So far, Vince is the star of the offseason, as far as I'm concerned.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

Listen, I mean, I know our friend Sean, our other friend Sean is not a fan. He calls him Wince, which I thought was hilarious.

SPEAKER_06 5:29

Yeah.

What We Want By September

SPEAKER_04 5:29

Um, but the guy is puts the work in, you know. Say what you want about him other than you know his hockey. I I I don't I don't see what people's problem is. The guy podcasts up until he's not gonna podcast from now all the way through the second week of July. How many other how many other beat riders are doing that? No, how many other people are doing that? We're not even doing that, right? We don't have his resources, we don't have his guests, he's gonna have guests, I'm sure, you know, whatever. I'm and I I'm I'm pumping his podcast because the guy puts the friggin' work in.

SPEAKER_07 6:07

But uh, I don't understand the logic behind not liking that. Unfortunately, he's he's their he's really their only option right now, right?

SPEAKER_05 6:20

So, you know, I mean let me say something about Vince where I want to piggyback off you with this. Um me and Rock have spoken very harshly of the the Rangers beat, especially you know, since the uh the passing of uh Larry Brooks. Right. But we've been saying it for years, even when Brooks was there. Um everyone has always been afraid to ask tough questions, and everyone's been afraid to ask any any real follow-up questions when they're not given uh you know the answer, an actual answer, a straight up answer to a legitimate question. Um, because if what what's his name? Chime in with the name. Who what's the beat writer that was uh never seen again?

SPEAKER_04 7:06

Oh Michael Obenauer. Pretty much the criticize Saader.

SPEAKER_05 7:10

Right, criticized Sayther and you know that was the end of it.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

Well, the Daily News doesn't even have a range of beat writer anymore.

SPEAKER_05 7:16

Stay not allowed. Um Vince finally took Chris Drury to test. Um and we can listen, I think Drury it's it's become the low-hanging fruit to to I'm not disagreeing with that at all. Um, but there's a lot, and we've gone through it, and I don't want to rehash all of it, but to me, there's still a lot of positives and a lot of negatives to Chris Drury as the Ranger GM. Put who he is as a person and how he treats the fan base aside. That's my feelings on Drury. Now, what none of us can stand is the lack of access, the Zoom calls. I don't actually get to visualize the words coming out of the man's mouth anytime. No idea.

SPEAKER_04 8:08

We don't we don't see his body language, right? We don't see the way he's guessing.

SPEAKER_05 8:13

There's no context.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

Yeah, we're we're we're interpreting, we're interpreting, interpretating, interpreting, interpreting, interpreting, thank you. I man dogged that one. Uh what other beat players are saying. It's awful. It's fucking awful. I mean, you're you're you're you're guessing right like the context in which he's saying things.

SPEAKER_05 8:36

So so Vince Mercagliano finally came out and said in his uh in a recent tweet and an article that this isn't right at this point to just come out twice a year and do a conference call through Zoom when all of the beat writers have requested the end-of-year thing to be in person. He said across the board, all the beat writers requested in advance, long in advance. So I'm assuming that when the letter came out, they had started to request, you know, the the beat had started to request an end of year in person.

SPEAKER_04 9:13

According to Vince, Molly Walker, which I was surprised to hear this, is the PR representative. I get that. Uh for for for like the the New York chapter of beat writers for the hockey riders. I get it. I don't know if I'm if I'm saying it correctly. So she put in a request.

SPEAKER_05 9:33

She's the liaison, right?

SPEAKER_04 9:35

That's what that's not the way he worded it, but yeah, exactly. That's what essentially what it is. And um, she put in a request a while ago for this, and he said no. The Rangers said no, or Drury said no, and again, why because he's he's afraid. Jeff Marrick, Sean, who is not in New York, right, came out and said Chris Drury is media shy. Was anyone more media shy than Jeff Gordon? The guy was the most awkward person I have ever seen. But he loved being out there every single time, multiple times a year, out there to give us some answers to do something.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

He took interviews just around the garden.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

100%.

SPEAKER_05 10:27

He didn't have to be up at a podium, he would just one-on-one, and it and it would be televised.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

Drury makes makes fans long for Glenn Sayther. Did you ever think that you'd hear that? No. Glenn Sadher, when they announced him, and I said this, I if anyone heard it, if anything, if I repeating myself, I apologize. When they had the the last hundredth anniversary, and Sadher was brought out there, he got the third loudest cheers behind Sean Avery and Hank. That is unbelievable. You're talking about a guy they wanted fired for 20 years, even he spoke to the fucking media. He has four cups. Drury has nothing as an executive or as a coach. He is one of the coattails of the fucking avalanche behind Rob Blake and Sackett and Wah and Ray Bork. He wasn't the catalyst of that team. And Forsberg. He he has too much car blanche in this organization for doing nothing. What has he done? Give me his five best moves. Quick trocheck. What else? That's my point. No, no, think of it.

SPEAKER_05 11:41

No, we got it.

SPEAKER_04 11:42

I'm saying he has done it.

SPEAKER_05 11:43

Ty Cartier. Ty Cartier.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Good move.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

That's his third best move. What did I tell you?

Why Rangers Media Access Feels Broken

SPEAKER_05 11:49

Exactly. Um, but yeah, just the fact that that Vince stood up and said that this isn't right. And yeah, yeah, I gotta give him credit for that. Yeah. Because it takes guts because you you don't you don't know if there's gonna be repercussions for his career. You don't know after what happened. I know that he's way more established than what's his name?

SPEAKER_03 12:13

Obenauer. Michael Obenauer.

SPEAKER_05 12:15

Yeah. Vince is clearly way more established than Michael Obenauer, but I think it's a different world too.

SPEAKER_04 12:20

I think I think that with Obenauer was at the beginning of social media. Okay, if I remember correctly. Um, and uh I think it's a different world, and I think Say there's a Hall of Fame person, Drury's not. Drew's a nobody in the grand scheme in the NHL world as a player, you can't say that he was a slightly above average player, he was a good player, he wasn't a great player, and again, he won his cup on the coattails of ten other better guys that were better than him.

SPEAKER_05 12:55

There's a little more than that. He wouldn't be picked to be, you know, involved with Team M if he was if there was nothing there.

SPEAKER_07 13:02

Maybe.

SPEAKER_05 13:03

And if he wasn't well liked by people, we don't like him.

SPEAKER_04 13:09

Sean Avery is probably hated amongst most of most most but his teammates loved him. Same thing with Tony D'Angelo.

SPEAKER_05 13:15

Right.

SPEAKER_04 13:15

I mean, your teammates are gonna love you, but it's it's how everyone else perceives you. And let's be honest, Sean, he's failed on so many levels. And until we see the worm turn, I I I can, I mean, how long do you think this guy has? You gotta think this is his last coach, right?

SPEAKER_05 13:36

Well, they need his last coach, yes, because the coach is fine for five years. Um, he's not gonna get another.

SPEAKER_04 13:41

And I don't think the coach is lasting five years, but that's again a lot, a lot is going.

SPEAKER_05 13:46

So I'm not a Sullivan supporter, but that's another story, and I'm not really one either, but I've accepted again, I have accepted the Drury and Sullivan for the next for the next 12 months. Neither one is going anywhere. Um I agree with the big game hunting. I I think all the smoke. There's there's plenty of fire behind the fact that I think Drury's gonna stop at nothing to try and get Brady Kachuk here. I don't think anybody on the roster is safe if it comes to Brady Kachuk. I think that means Lafreniere, I think that means Perot, I think that means Cooley.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

You giving up La Frenier and and their first round pick this year?

SPEAKER_05 14:30

The second one, not the first.

SPEAKER_04 14:31

I don't think that's happening.

SPEAKER_05 14:33

So here's the thing. So here's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 14:37

I'm only telling you what he he seemed to think that that they was gonna have to really blow Ottawa's doors off. Well, here's and I think it's a mistake.

SPEAKER_05 14:46

Again, here's the thing. Matthew Kachuk forced his way out of Calgary.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

That's what's gonna have to happen.

SPEAKER_05 14:52

He said I had two years left, and I'm not re-signing with you. I will only sign in Florida. So you have me here disgruntled. Not to say you wouldn't have been professional and shown up for work. It was gonna hold out.

SPEAKER_04 15:08

That's what shocked me. Florida was terrible back then. Why would he only sign in Florida? Zeno. Do you ever remember why? Did we ever get an answer? No tax? Was there a few teams that were involved?

SPEAKER_05 15:18

No, it was him. It was it was Florida. There was no tax. They had Brobrowski, they had Barkov. See, here's the thing. Barkov around the league is way more respected than public perception. And Barkov around the league, I think, is considered a top five player in the league. I don't disagree with that. Well, now because he's won two cups, but at the time, I is a little bit of an unknown.

SPEAKER_04 15:46

Here's the problem. Here's the problem. You got a lot of guys around this league that are great players trapped in shitty situations, right? Shitty cities. Tage Thompson, if he played for the Rangers or he played for, you know, uh in Canada, or he would be revered. He's a fantastic player, but he plays in Buffalo, so nobody cares.

SPEAKER_05 16:10

Here's where you're wrong about that. You understand that Buffalo's the sixth largest TV market in the country, right?

SPEAKER_04 16:15

But from the NHL standpoint, they don't market him that way because Buffalo's not a high-profile team.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

They just won the Atlantic, they just won the Atlantic division, and watch what happens.

SPEAKER_04 16:26

Carolina has won been first place and won the division how many times? Still, nobody gives a shit about their marketing because it's nobody wants to go there.

SPEAKER_05 16:35

It's one of the smallest markets in the league. Buffalo's not.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

Patrick Berglund retired to not play in Buffalo.

SPEAKER_05 16:46

Was that in the last 14 years?

SPEAKER_04 16:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

It's when they created sucked. They don't suck anymore.

SPEAKER_04 16:53

Well, they didn't have to suck. Maybe if he played there, he would ever be better.

SPEAKER_05 16:56

Patrick Berglund.

SPEAKER_04 16:57

That that's a I'm just I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_05 16:59

I think you're you're getting on the Buffalo, the Buffalo market and fan basing situation a little too too harsh.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You think Buffalo is a desirable location for players?

SPEAKER_05 17:08

I think it can be. It is for the Buffalo Bills. Why is that?

SPEAKER_04 17:13

Why is it eight games a year there?

SPEAKER_05 17:15

That's not why. Yeah, Josh Allen. That's why. It's a Ravage fan base.

SPEAKER_04 17:21

And buff and football is different. I mean, football, I don't think it matters as much as you don't have as many games.

SPEAKER_05 17:27

But you don't think there's a ton of kids from Toronto that would have no problem playing in Buffalo?

SPEAKER_04 17:32

I don't know. Sean, how many free agents have they been able to get without overpaying?

SPEAKER_05 17:35

They've sucked. They've sucked.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

They didn't stink when they signed Airhoff and Lane and Villy Lano.

SPEAKER_05 17:43

So then they got they were able to get those free agents.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

Yeah, overpaid for them.

SPEAKER_05 17:47

Okay, but here's the thing. They have they have Owen Pat. They have I and I don't want to turn this into a Buffalo Stampers conversation, but they have a lot of high-end young players that veterans will want to go sign, especially if Buffalo wins a couple of rounds this year. Okay, maybe. Okay. You hate everybody.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

Jack Eichel couldn't get out of there fast enough. There was a lot of guys, he could have been part of the solution.

SPEAKER_05 18:16

Terrible organization at the time.

SPEAKER_04 18:17

It's the it's a I mean again.

SPEAKER_05 18:19

I they won't even have the surgery. That was the problem.

SPEAKER_04 18:23

It's one season. Let's see how they go moving forward. And let's see if they can keep this team together. Alex Tuck didn't resign. Why? Why is he resigned yet?

SPEAKER_05 18:32

Because he knows he's gonna make$13 million a year on the free agent market.

SPEAKER_04 18:36

Buffalo hasn't won in 10 years in 14 years. Why wouldn't they just give whatever you wanted?

SPEAKER_05 18:40

And that's why they didn't trade him because they they understand the value in trying to win right now.

SPEAKER_04 18:45

Oh, I don't I don't disagree with you. I don't think it's a big I don't think it's a big market. I don't think it's a desirable place for players to play. There's a lot of teams that are there's a lot of places like Winnipeg's another place. There's there's just a lot of markets.

SPEAKER_05 18:56

You're comparing Buffalo again, the sixth largest TV market. You're comparing them to the bottom theaters.

SPEAKER_04 19:05

No, no, television.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

Television markets are television markets. There's nothing to do with the sport.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

I gotta look at the data on that because I find that very hard to believe.

SPEAKER_05 19:14

I talk about it every day on NHL Network.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

Really, I haven't I see I haven't lit, I don't listen. Once the Rangers are eliminated, I haven't listened to it.

SPEAKER_05 19:21

I get you. Anyway, so enough about the Sabres. Uh half my half my men's league team is also Saber fans now, apparently. Um, so where were we?

SPEAKER_04 19:31

Wait, wait, what? Half men's league team or sabers fans?

SPEAKER_05 19:35

So we got an influx of guys that came onto the team. They're all family, and I think three of them went to University of Buffalo.

SPEAKER_04 19:42

Where do they live before that, though?

SPEAKER_05 19:44

Hold on, Island. They're ranger fans, they're Ranger fans who also are Saber fans from going to school up there. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

Anyway, what so what were you saying?

SPEAKER_05 19:54

One of them is married to someone from Buffalo.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

All right, well, that that I can kind of understand because you you have no choice, but anyway. You can't have two favorite teams. I'm sorry. Can't have two favorite teams. That's it. One or the other.

SPEAKER_05 20:06

The rock is spoken. Ridiculous. Two favorite teams. Um so again, I think that there's a good that there's a good chance that, especially if Ottawa gets eliminated in the first round, I would say within five games. If it becomes a seven-game series and they feel like they have unfinished business, maybe Brady gives it another year before uh kicking the tires. But if they're eliminated handily in five, you know, in five games or less, he's already, I mean, you saw what he did on the on his own podcast.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Right.

SPEAKER_05 20:38

Where his father called out the whole team, he laughed and didn't I didn't see that. His facial oh, it was it wasn't viral because his facial expression said everything that his voice didn't have to.

SPEAKER_04 20:51

They got some good pieces, though. I mean, Jake Sanderson's a beast.

SPEAKER_05 20:54

But they don't. He's not the he's not the reason that they're not winning.

SPEAKER_04 21:05

Why is the what's the reason they're not winning?

SPEAKER_05 21:08

They're a disjointed team.

SPEAKER_04 21:11

They got they got they got uh what's his name? Uh oh god, I'm thinking of his freaking name.

SPEAKER_05 21:16

Um stutzler. No, no, they're not.

SPEAKER_04 21:18

They got uh Drake Batterson, they got some good players up there.

SPEAKER_05 21:21

But don't doesn't that remind you of the Savers for the last 10 years?

SPEAKER_04 21:25

Yes, and then why wouldn't he?

SPEAKER_05 21:27

Those pieces go elsewhere and then they go in.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

So let me show you this. You think the Rangers that much you think the Rangers are closer than Ottawa?

SPEAKER_05 21:35

I think the Rangers present something for Brady Kachuk that he will never have in Ottawa. He'll be the he'll be in the biggest market.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

He'll be Messier. Yeah. I mean, who Messi is a center, but he'll be Messier. And in and in hindsight, I mean he's gonna bring that fire, but everything we thought Miller was gonna bring his brand, but I'm saying for him selfishly.

SPEAKER_05 22:00

His brand, essentially, will blow up being in New York. His wife is from New Jersey. They live in New Jersey in the offseason. Right. So coming to the metropolitan area is not something that's going to be foreign to him to begin with.

SPEAKER_04 22:18

Philly would be a more desirable spot for him because I have heard that. And they definitely have more to offer than the Rangers do.

SPEAKER_05 22:26

See, but it's going to come down to where he chooses to go because of his no-move clause. So it's not a matter of Philly. Philly could offer Porter Martin and Ziegris.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

That guy's sick. I wouldn't trade them.

Drury Under Fire And Vince Steps Up

SPEAKER_05 22:38

I'm just saying. They could offer Porter Martin, right? And the Rangers could offer. Well, Cooley, if he says I'm only going to New York or you could lose me in two years, then it doesn't matter who Philly can offer.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

Well, that's that to me, that's that's gonna be the only way, I believe, because I don't think they have they don't the assets are not something they have. I mean, they have a like as Elliot Freeman called it on his 32 Thoughts. I don't know if you heard that one. They've hit a lot of singles. They've had just singles. Lob is a single, um, Cooley's a single.

SPEAKER_05 23:10

Perot's not a single.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

What?

SPEAKER_05 23:12

Perot's not a single.

SPEAKER_04 23:13

No, no, not Perot. I'm gonna talk about Perot. Um, but like, you know, like Himilash and Socora, and you know, they talked about Ty Cartier, and they hit a lot of like little little singles here of guys that are are serviceable players. You know, Garan could be a single type guy, guys, backup guy that can play 20 games, 30 games, you know, 25 games, whatever. But you know, other than Perot, they haven't really, I mean, EJ Emery's going back for his junior year. You haven't heard boo about the kid. Nothing. Right? Am I wrong?

SPEAKER_05 23:47

I mean, that was he's the number he's the number one defenseman on the on a team that just played in the college uh finals.

SPEAKER_04 23:54

So again, I mean, I haven't heard anything about him until I heard that he was going back to the kids don't want to go.

SPEAKER_05 23:59

Here's the thing he's a single nobody nobody wants to go to the AHL. Agents are keeping kids out of the AHL.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

Nobody wants to play in college one more year.

SPEAKER_05 24:08

That's what he's doing. I understand, but that's why it's not it's not it's not because he's a bust or the Rangers aren't gonna try and sign him or anything like that. It's just you'd rather play in college than playing in Hartford. And who wouldn't?

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Yeah, listen, I I got it. Hartford's a good fun town, but I mean, I got it. Not for them, got it, not for them.

SPEAKER_04 24:29

Um, yeah, I mean, I I I Brady would be ideal. I I don't know. I think I think, but this is my this is my feeling on this, and I and it'd be a nice move. And if you have to trade La Frenier and Schneider and make that move happen, I guess you have to do it. But yes, you're bringing in Brady and trading La Frenier, you're not you're you're just creating a hole and filling a hole. You're not you're not adding to it. So there's still the stops. There's still if you're two top six forward short right now. If you trade one for one, you're still two top six forward short.

SPEAKER_05 25:06

But do you feel the do who do you feel is a better player, La Frenier or Kachakka?

SPEAKER_04 25:10

Well, what do we which Lafreniere are we talking about? That is or the one that the one that started the season. I mean, I don't know. I joined I'm I'm more than a general manager because I wouldn't know what to do about this. Like, what did was what I saw real, or was what I saw a team that and just played and didn't think about anything, didn't think about the fans, didn't think about scoring, didn't think about playoffs, didn't think about anything, just played. I mean, that that's really what I want to find out. I don't I but you have to really you have to really consider it.

SPEAKER_05 25:51

Well, that's they you don't think they have their own internal scouting and and they're they have their own internal views on players, too.

SPEAKER_04 25:59

Oh, I I I'm sure they have their own internal views, and I think if Lafreniere is traded, I think it's gonna have to be a guy that's young and a guy that's established and a guy they feel well Kachuk is who you were trading for.

SPEAKER_05 26:13

I wouldn't there's there's very few players that I would trade him for, but it would have to be if it's not Kachuk, it would have to be somebody like that, similar age, what are you 27, 28? So established in his prime, same age as Fox, same same draft. They're on that same team USA.

SPEAKER_04 26:34

But I guess but I changed him. If you're retooling, if you're retooling and and going for it, which I guess in some ways you have to.

SPEAKER_05 26:44

You have Igor.

SPEAKER_04 26:44

You have this you have, yeah, you have to.

SPEAKER_05 26:46

What was the point of eagor signing Igor to all this money if you were not trying to win?

SPEAKER_04 26:50

They thought they were gonna be here. But I don't know. Is this season a one-off? Or is this or I mean, you had a lot of guys get hurt this year, and and you know, you you've been a big component of this that you know, maybe if if guys were healthy, we would have had a better record, which I I definitely believe. Yes. Um, the question is, now you got an older team. Is Miller what's JT Miller? Is he what we saw the end two years ago, or is he what we saw this season? Or is it somewhere in the middle?

SPEAKER_05 27:21

You know, he was still a point player.

SPEAKER_04 27:22

I don't think there's a hundred-point player anymore.

SPEAKER_05 27:24

But you know he was still a point of game player after January 1st, right?

SPEAKER_04 27:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:28

Which is and and I'm not saying he played great, but just the fact that he didn't he didn't play that well and was still putting up a point of game is well.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

I mean, it does also help sure. You would think that he was scoring four and five goals a game. I mean he was right.

SPEAKER_05 27:43

He was treated to it's it's funny the parallels how they treated him. He JT Miller this year has been treated like the Ranger fan base treated Chris Jurry in 2009. He was terrible. He was terrible. That's my point. Captain came in, you know, guy came in from out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_04 28:03

He had one good season for the Rangers first year when he played behind Jagard Shanahan. How freaking how fucking convenient.

SPEAKER_05 28:10

No, but I'm uh well, that's what I'm saying is that it was all warranted when everybody shit on jury as a player here for not living up to his contract. Yeah, Miller is busting his ass, playing hurt, playing through injury, still productive.

SPEAKER_04 28:26

Right. No, I get it. Why do these guys have to play through injury? Like, what what was the reasoning behind it?

SPEAKER_05 28:35

So, what would you rather not play? And then what? And then what? What happens if Miller doesn't play this year? Where are they?

SPEAKER_04 28:45

Why would you play?

SPEAKER_05 28:47

He was producing, so why would he say he wasn't producing to start the season? They weren't out of it. They weren't out of it when he the season started.

SPEAKER_04 28:57

I'm not saying he was out of it, but you just said they were out of it.

SPEAKER_05 28:59

Why was he playing?

SPEAKER_04 29:00

All right, let me rephrase that. If he was still hurt to end the season, which he obviously was because he sat out again at some point. Why would you play at that point? And to start the season, I I'm fully aware that you were just named captain. So I I kind of get that. And we've seen guys do that. We saw Shattenkirk do that. He got hurt his first year, he played hurt, he shouldn't have, because he it was his first year. He wanted to be out there for opening night, blah blah blah. And all it does is set you back for. You want to play opening night, fine, play opening night. But you know what? After opening night's over, you you you get better.

SPEAKER_05 29:41

Let me ask you this who's his best friend on the team?

SPEAKER_04 29:44

Trochek.

SPEAKER_05 29:46

What did Vinny Crochek deal with to start the season?

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Obviously, more than we all knew.

SPEAKER_05 29:52

So how the fuck could he sit when Crochek's playing? After what Crochek, after what Choček just went through. And when Crochek came back, he was that's I'm saying, he sat out for what, three weeks, a month? He comes back and he's playing after what he just dealt with. I don't care. Miller's gotta be sitting there saying, I don't care what's wrong with me. I didn't deal with what he just dealt with. No, but sure. I can if I could physically skate, I'm gonna play.

SPEAKER_04 30:18

If your groin is hanging off the bone, I mean, what do you think?

SPEAKER_05 30:21

Well, clearly wasn't hanging off the bone.

SPEAKER_04 30:23

Well, I'm I'm I'm obviously being facetious, but I I'm just saying, you can obviously tell he wasn't right.

SPEAKER_05 30:30

60% of him was better than what Johnny Brzezinski. John or Johnny Brodzinski.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

I guess. I guess. But you know what? The problem with the difference between him playing and Brzezinski playing is you know Johnny Brzezinski's a big thing. My only problem is isn't isn't an elite player. I don't want to.

SPEAKER_05 30:46

Here's here's my only problem, and this comes back to the coach. You know your your franchise center and captain is hurt. Why are you playing him 21 minutes? Maybe you don't have to play him all those minutes until he's healed up. Play him 16-17.

SPEAKER_04 31:04

They did obviously the season was over, but they didn't play. I know, but they he did do that at the end of the season. He played Laburn Cartier on the power play to start a lot. He did do that, he did limit the guy's ice until until the last week of the season, where the last game of the season you had Fox, Miller, Sabinajat, and Trochet playing 21 minutes, the last game of the year.

SPEAKER_05 31:27

Miller averaged 20 minutes a game for the season.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

For the season.

SPEAKER_05 31:31

20. I'm not surprised. So if you know, if you know the guy's hurt, why is he playing 20 minutes? Is this code? So I put I put that on the coach, I don't put that on the player. I put that on the coach, I don't put that on the player.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

Listen.

SPEAKER_05 31:47

As a player, he showed up for work every day with his lunch pail and said, I'll give you what I got. And we and not not me, but as a fan base, we vote him for it.

SPEAKER_04 31:57

JT Miller is more is more than 100% of Matt Rempe or whoever else you're gonna throw out there or for whatever position it was. And I did this coach did a lot of things this year that made zero sense to me. Why was Matt Rempe playing as long as he was? He wasn't himself, he couldn't stick handle, he couldn't fight. Why is he in the lineup?

SPEAKER_05 32:22

Well, that's hit it on the head. If if Matt Rempey can't be champion the ice. But fighting is 50% of Matt Rempe's, you know.

SPEAKER_04 32:33

Not even fighting, being being a deterrent. He knows he can't fight.

SPEAKER_06 32:37

Then he's not a deterrent.

Big Game Hunting For Brady Tkachuk

SPEAKER_04 32:39

Right. I mean, I like Rempi. I think he's a nice player. I think he has an NHL future, but I mean, you can't throw him out there. You did the guy in injustice. You know, and and then and then I gotta hear, I gotta hear him tell me that Adam Enstrom needs to uh, you know, uh, what was the word he used? Uh be more consistent. What players were consistent this year? Was anyone consistent with for 82 games? And you're gonna pick on the 25-year-old who just came back from from an injury who broke his ankle? That's the guy you decide to pick on? Clearly, they don't scored one goal all goddamn year. I I just what is the point of playing a UFA the last 15 games of the season? What?

SPEAKER_05 33:32

Oh oh I think there's a good chance he's back. That's why.

SPEAKER_04 33:34

Oh they lost to a cordy McLeod this time. Oh my god. All kidding aside, two by two, it's coming. Where is he playing? He's not playing, and you cannot tell me he's playing in the top six again next year. You can't, you can't tell me that. You can't, because to me, that's a backwards move. You want to sign him to him to be playing Hartford, I don't care. And be emergency call-up, fine. But if you're signing him to act to think that he's actually going to make the team, I have a problem with that, especially when you have 30 million dollars in cap space. I you know, I can kind of wrap my head around why they did it last year, right? They had no cap room, but to do it this year with$30 million worth of cap space, I think is completely S9. And I again, the fact that they played Brodzinski, Radish, and friggin' uh uh uh Shiri to end the year and gave Ed Strip no more games. He punished him the rest of the season. Are you I I mean, that is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_05 34:46

Um clearly they're not resigning him.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

Edstrop he's already signed. He signed for next year.

SPEAKER_05 34:52

Signed for next year?

SPEAKER_04 34:53

Yes, and that's the other part of it. You got a guy that's under contract sitting in the press box while two UFAs play in these fucking meaningless, pointless fucking games that mean nothing in the standard.

SPEAKER_05 35:06

Radish to me had to play because Radish was under contract for next year.

SPEAKER_04 35:10

Because his brother played in Tampa and his father just passed away, which I can wrap my head around.

SPEAKER_05 35:14

That's not why he played. He played because he's on the team. He's on the team for next year.

SPEAKER_04 35:19

100% why he played.

SPEAKER_05 35:22

100% why he because his brother's in Tampa? Oh, why he came back for the last game you mean?

SPEAKER_04 35:27

Last game of the season.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

Oh, I didn't put all that together.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

He played, Darren Radish is on the other side, right? Right, right. His parents, his mother was probably there. I cannot got it, got it. But Conneshiri should not have played the last game of the season. I'm sorry. Etchram should have gone in. They should have the hottest player in the league. Not the point why he's a UFA. It doesn't matter how fucking hot he is. He's a fucking UFA. You have a 25-year-old sitting in the press box play a guy that's not gonna be on the fucking team. Stupid. It's fucking stupid. It's short-sighted and stupid. Punishing the wrong people. And that's what that's the same shit that happened with fucking Kacko. He got punished. Meanwhile, this guy's playing like dog shit. That guy's playing like dog shit because he's fucking 32 years old. You can't sit the guy.

SPEAKER_05 36:19

Rock. He plays he plays with the right intentions. That's the Sullivan word. Intentions.

SPEAKER_04 36:26

I just I don't think this coach has two. Sean, he's got two years. He's got this year's a bust. He's got next year's at the year after. And that's it. He's gone. They won't go make the playoffs the next two years. He's gone. They will run this guy out of town on a fucking rail. He got the benefit of the doubt this year.

SPEAKER_05 36:49

Yeah, you don't you don't find. I mean, let's let's be honest.

SPEAKER_04 36:52

I never get on coaches. Never. I didn't get on Gallant. I didn't get on, I didn't get on Vigno. I didn't get on Tortarella. I didn't get on Quinn. I didn't get on La Violette. This guy fucked. He fucked up this year. He punished the wrong people. He did a shit job, especially to end the season. Should be about next year. It's about getting to see what this guy can give you. If nothing else, is he even should he even be on the team this next year? He's under contract. You play two UFAs for 10 straight games, 11 straight games, end the season. Stupid. Fucking stupid. What is he trying to prove?

SPEAKER_05 37:37

He's trying to get his uh niece's husband a job for next year.

SPEAKER_04 37:44

If that's his biggest priority, I won't want him as my coach. I don't want a guy that isn't going to give a young player who was fucking injured, who had a broken ankle. He had a broken ankle. You give him five games, you gave Freppy 15 with a broken fucking thumb.

SPEAKER_07 38:02

Who couldn't play? And you give Edge from five games, one of them was at center.

unknown 38:09

Why?

SPEAKER_07 38:10

Because the kid said he doesn't want to play center? Because he's not comfortable playing center?

SPEAKER_04 38:15

Maybe that's what it is.

SPEAKER_06 38:18

Did he say that?

SPEAKER_04 38:20

Yeah, he said it is proposing his his uh his.

SPEAKER_05 38:22

He said he hasn't played since junior. Uh since like juniors in Sweden.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

Yeah, I mean, I said that. I didn't hear him say that.

SPEAKER_05 38:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 38:33

You gave him one game.

SPEAKER_04 38:36

You should tell him, listen, you want to play, you gotta play center. You don't think the kid was gonna say no?

SPEAKER_05 38:42

Right.

SPEAKER_04 38:43

Gave him one game.

SPEAKER_05 38:45

Wasn't the answer he was looking for?

SPEAKER_04 38:46

What does it matter? I just can't. I I you know it's but I'm not surprised because we've seen this from every coach we've had, Sean. These these veteran coaches, these veteran coaches ride these veteran players. They don't give them any type of. We see Galant, he didn't give La Frenere a chance. We saw Yokako not get a chance. Heedle Heatle was the only one they actually gave a shot to on the second line. L'AV gave him a shot on the second line, and they got hurt.

SPEAKER_06 39:14

They got hurt.

SPEAKER_04 39:15

That was it. You know, I mean, whatever. The only, and I'll tell you, Robertson is the only guy they actually gave he actually gave runway to.

SPEAKER_06 39:26

He still sheltered him a lot. I don't I thought Roberts had a good year.

SPEAKER_04 39:31

I the penalty thing, he needs to really he really need to work on that. But that's also a game that's made a player that the game is just too fast. And he's reaching and he's cross-checking.

SPEAKER_05 39:45

I think it's I think his speed is good for someone his size.

SPEAKER_04 39:48

He took a lot of like tripping penalties and a lot of holding penalties, and that's when you can't when the speed of the game is a problem. So, I mean, it's his first full season. I'm not gonna knock the push a guy making$775,000.

SPEAKER_05 40:02

I get that, but you want someone who's 6'4, 6'5, 230 pounds. They're not like him, they're not all gonna beat Fleet's foot. He's he's not bookaboom back there with the ball.

SPEAKER_04 40:12

But it, I mean, it does go to show you that I mean, let's be fair. I mean, they have seven or eight defensemen, you know, which probably means Scott Morrow is there's there's no room for him here.

SPEAKER_05 40:24

Well, they gotta make the here, yeah. So we'll get to this. So I can't see having Borgan and Schneider both on the team next year.

SPEAKER_04 40:32

They won't be.

SPEAKER_05 40:33

They're two similar of players. So you either get Borgan to wave and you move forward with Schneider.

SPEAKER_04 40:39

You could trade after July 1st. His his no trade goes, his no move goes into a partial no trade after July 1.

SPEAKER_05 40:46

Got it.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

You can't trade him.

SPEAKER_05 40:48

So one of those two, you gotta move on from one of the two. They're they're the same player. You need somebody else that can be a puck mover, and that's what they said. Did he say, did he specify left shot?

SPEAKER_04 40:59

No, he just said puck mover.

SPEAKER_05 41:01

Yeah, they need they need a third pairing guy, or or God willing, a second pairing guy. Um on the right side guy.

SPEAKER_04 41:10

They need they need like a oh god. Like, I'm trying to think of a good example.

SPEAKER_05 41:16

Do you think Schneider's only a third-pairing defenseman?

SPEAKER_03 41:20

He hasn't done anything to impress me. I I think they held on to him too long.

SPEAKER_05 41:24

I mean, Sean, this is this is just oh he has so he has so much value on like 20 minutes a night this year.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

I don't think it matters, but he doesn't bring any other than defense. He brings you zero offense. He had 18 points. He had 18 points. All right. How many defensemen in the league had 18 points?

SPEAKER_05 41:42

I mean he doesn't get any he doesn't get any offensive.

SPEAKER_04 41:45

Now he had he had uh he said he he he's a he's a big post guy. I know he gets a lot of posts, but I mean he is still young. I mean, he's what 25?

SPEAKER_03 41:58

24. 24. He will be 25 when this season starts. Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 42:06

When does he turn 25?

SPEAKER_05 42:08

Uh he oh he he just turned 25 last month. Right, like he said his birthday. Oh no, I'm sorry, that's Robertson. That's Robertson, hold on. Schneider when the season starts. Schneider will be Schneider will be 25 in September. So Schneider's younger than Robertson.

SPEAKER_04 42:33

Right. Robertson was the draft before.

SPEAKER_05 42:36

Right, he was 2019.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

Yeah, the Costco draft.

SPEAKER_05 42:42

Um, yeah, I uh you can get a lot for Schneider. They haven't held on to him for too long. He's playing 20 and a half minutes a night, which is truthfully, this is how GMs evaluate defensemen. We'll see. How much time is the guy playing?

SPEAKER_04 42:59

Don't want futures. And you know, and they want a scoring play, a scoring forward. And I don't know how you're gonna get a scoring forward for a defenseman that puts up 18 points a night.

SPEAKER_05 43:12

Because it's gonna be to a team who needs a defenseman that can play 20 minutes a night and play well defensively.

SPEAKER_04 43:18

18 points a night that plays 20 minutes a night and not have to give up that much.

SPEAKER_05 43:23

He doesn't put up they don't grow on trees, especially a right-handed one.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

I don't know, Sean. We'll see.

SPEAKER_05 43:29

I how many defensemen out there do you think score more than 20 points a year that play D and can move like that and play physical? At that age.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 43:39

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 43:40

I don't know if he has the value that we think he does. We're gonna see. We're gonna see you here.

SPEAKER_05 43:45

You hear nationally how much he's talked about as far as value. Remember it's a deadline, yeah, how much he was talked about.

SPEAKER_04 43:52

I I think I think what Drew did, and again, I'm using this word, hedged hedged his bets where thinking that the the market. for the for UFAs are going to be light. There's going to be teams out there. I hope, you know, like team like maybe like Minnesota. If they get bounced in the first round, maybe they're looking to, maybe they're finally looking to make a move and be a little bit more proactive.

SPEAKER_05 44:15

They don't have anything. They don't have anything left.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

They're going to have to trade Europe. Vero, whatever his name is. They're going to have to trade him. Yeah, I mean, my feeling is is like these teams, I mean, how do we get a team to trade? Like how do we get, I'm trying to think of a good example. So you got to find a team that's on the cusp of a ch of a championship.

Playing Hurt And Coaching Decisions

SPEAKER_05 44:39

Right. That has a ju that has a jewel. You got to make the Martin Erat for Philip Forsberg trade.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

So I mean at some point I mean Jury at some point he's I'll bring up the name.

SPEAKER_05 44:50

I'll bring up the name of somebody that I want to trade. I want to target really badly in the offseason because I think change of scenery will do this kid good. I think he's too young to be given up on that's Mason McTavish.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

I would love to see a story why they think he's he's on the downturn?

SPEAKER_05 45:08

He's on been completely on the outs with Anaheim.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

Oh really? Yes. Well that that started with the contract and everything else.

SPEAKER_05 45:15

It's been demoted down to the third line. What's his production like he's also he's 23 years old like as a centerman like how the fuck would would anyone give up on a centerman who who's already had he pretty much almost averages 20 goals a season that's by 23 over the last four years is like 17 19 21 18 who you who you traded for him I don't think you'd have to give up anything that's insane.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Of course you have not going to trade him I'm not saying that they're giving him away but I'm saying I don't think you're not giving up for Scott Morrow and and it's not insane.

SPEAKER_05 45:55

No car no I think Carolina's pick at a at a B prospect might be able enough to get that done so you know how many teams are going to be able to offer more than that there's going to be teams that are going to give up going to give up more than that. And and you know what for a 23 year old player you really want futures that's not a future to me that's someone that's stepping into ready to step into a role I'm talking about Anaheim I was only I was only talking from a value perspective. I was only talking about from a value perspective I don't know I think I think you're giving up a lot more than that I'm not the I'm not I I said I was done playing armchair GM but that's a player that I would love to go get.

SPEAKER_04 46:43

Yes Robert Doveck Marco Casper would be another great guy to go after I'd love to get him Detroit I I I'm I mean you know that's to do something this is why this is why guys when everyone wants to hire Messier to be the GM or the coach to give Detroit as the perfect example of why you don't do now you can't fire this guy he's going to have to leave on his own on his own accord it's going to have to be I I I don't want to do this anymore or he's going to move up to the presidency and he's going to hire another GM because how do you hire one of the best players of your in your franchise's history how do you fire that person and it completely was going to damage your relationship right so I don't know but yeah he's Iserman has caught a ton of flack for going into a playoff push in a playoff running adjustment with Andrew Cop and who's the other guy another Andrew Cop type player.

SPEAKER_05 47:51

No is the second line center Confer JT Confer. Those two guys were back like Trochek would have fit that team perfectly what they just don't want to give up anything.

SPEAKER_04 48:01

I mean look what was given upline Sean all futures nobody off the current their current roster no a level prospects got moved nothing we saw the trade deadline it was an absolute dud you and I did the show we did the show and we're announcing the freaking Rangers are trading offman for for Jacob Petaglia or what was the other trade they made they traded oh Derek Pouliot for for somebody and you know I mean that that was our day I mean you and I did a show with that nonsense. I mean there wasn't even interesting trades around the league.

SPEAKER_05 48:41

Justin Falk got traded I I mean I don't know that was nobody's significance got traded that was I uh that show I almost felt like and don't get me wrong I had fun doing it but it felt like the uh the Geraldo Rivera 1986 uh what's it Al Capone Vault where they went live you don't I don't remember so in 86 uh Geraldo Rivera says we found Al Capone's private vault and we're gonna excavate it on this day and we're gonna do it live and it was like one of the most watched things where like all of America tuned in they opened the vault and there's nothing it was completely empty. It's so much egg on his face um it's her aldo what else what else did you expect yeah that's that's what the show kind of felt like we had all this build up like you know something's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 49:34

Nothing and nothing and I think that affected Trochek and and I think that's the one you know Drury didn't give us much in his uh press conference but what he did do is he he when he talked about trading trochek and I and I sent you the the the clip from it he didn't he didn't say he's coming back. I mean he he pretty much made it known that you know this guy's not coming back.

SPEAKER_05 50:03

I mean we're not saying it right he didn't put his foot down and say he's that he is coming back but he's I think he i i think he still said the opportunity if I remember correctly from what it was was opportunity we we said after the trade after the trade deadline that you know there are different windows for players to be moved and obviously we didn't move them in the first window so we'll see what happens in the next window.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

So yes the um the quote let me see if I can find it really quick so yeah it did it did spell that he's still being shopped but I also still think all right so this was the quote uh where things stand in terms of trading Trochik how aggressive will Droid be exploring more more offers this summer well I this is from Dory right well I think if you look at it there are two kinds of different cycles in a season right the trade deadline there's a limit amount of buyers there's a limit of cash space it's not the offseason the rosters aren't being shuffled or retooled across the league so going into the offseason as I said we're going to review and take a look at everything within the roster within out the organization we're always going to try to do the best moves short term long term health of the organization so the last part is his typical cookie bullshit but he did say that there's limited buyers at the trade headline and they're not gonna reshuffle their lineup to which made him me seem made seem like he doesn't want futures he wants players he wants guys who you can plug into the lineup and honestly that's what they should be looking at yeah they have a high first round pick they have Carolina's first round pick if they want if they want to use it from Derek Brasard I mean they can say that they do need draft picks Sean and they do need prospects. They have a lot of draft picks though they have a lot of third rounders they don't have a lot of guys we've seen four third rounders but you should I go back and look at the guys that were drafted after um who was it after the first round of that year they had like 11 draft picks what about the year they drafted Bushnevitch and Anthony Declare both in the third round really long time ago but I'm talking about since the they did the eight 2018 letter if you go back and you look at those guys Jacob Ragnarok Joey Keene Ponyemi um you know Nico Gross that's a lot of guys that just they never you never they never saw the light of day shellberg yeah shellberg is another guy so again they're they're nice scratch offs they're nice lottery tickets and the Rangers have done well in the third round right but to see they have they have two first they have it they still have a second not our second but we we have a second so that's three picks that are still pretty prime picks top 60 picks and obviously the first pick you know well we'll find out May 5th can't fucking wait for that well I was gonna ask you do you want to do you want to maybe do something for that or I gotta see what what day of the week is that if I have hockey or not it's a Tuesday.

SPEAKER_05 53:28

Yeah almost every Tuesday I have hockey I'm I don't even know what time it's on. It's during the first intermission of whatever game they're televising is the main game on TNT that night. Oh it's PN whatever yeah well did one year they did its own show oh that was the Lafreniere one yeah it was the Lafreniere one but this that was because I think they could they said they're doing everything the same as they did it last year.

SPEAKER_04 53:49

Okay I didn't watch that share so I forget whether that's ESPN or whether it was TNT that's gonna be like if the game's eight o'clock then the the it's gonna be like around 9 30.

SPEAKER_05 53:59

9 o'clock they'll take the full 18 minutes of the intermission to do a lottery as many commercials as possible.

SPEAKER_04 54:07

You have hockey that night I most likely oh actually I think the schedule's already out because I mean worst case scenario I'll jump on on my own and bullshit for a little bit and I don't have a TV down here I'm gonna I'm gonna would have to uh figure something out how I can uh view it maybe on the on an app or something nobody's got two TVs ref nobody's got two TVs yeah you must be you must be rich waiting for you I was waiting for you to jump in on that one sort of a rerun we just lost strickland I know I was heartbroken that was one of our first interactions when I when I uh said to Andy Strickland hey strickland and you come out did this guy ever have hair I do not have hockey on May 5th all right wow so we will do something may fifth do something that night that'll be fine yeah I got Sunday Monday that was Monday Tuesday full disclosure full full full disclosure I don't expect the Rangers to get lucky three times so let me just put that right out there I just don't want them to fall too far.

Youth Development Versus Veteran Preference

SPEAKER_05 55:22

Well they can't fall further than fifth when Florida and Toronto move past us in this draft and they're drafting first or second Toronto I'm just gonna say as long as they don't go down to five if they stay they go down one slot I'm fine with that can I tell you the truth if in and this is in my opinion of only reading I again I don't watch amateur hockey so I've seen highlights and when I watch highlights of guys and I I don't watch like just one I like watching when someone posts like a guy Carvel Carson Carroll's I I'm just playing with Carson Carrells Carels Carrolls Carels um I like watching where they show like five minutes of highlights on a guy what I like seeing because it's it's something it's and it's also the same as you you hate basketball but when you're watching someone play basketball I hate football okay true true body control top speed body control when the guy's skating at his fastest how is he how's his body control and pup control and shiftiness is he able to maneuver does he look like he's floating on ice as he's making move like McDavid when you watch the certain guys there's certain things that you just pick up on when you watch even a highlight of someone where you can tell that's an NHL player that that's someone who's able to do something that the other guys on the ice can't because obviously I'm not sitting there watching 16 minute games and watching every game a guy plays and listen they're lining up against someone else who's gonna be working on Enterprise Render car in six months. So you got to take take all of it with a grain of salt or is going to go play in you know the third league of the Dell in Germany right you know for a living so they should be man amongst boys even at 17 years old against you know sometimes 20 year olds um so I go by what I read and you know who do I trust when I read whether they pick third or they pick fifth we are getting the same quality prospect because there's there's McKenna there's most likely Stenberg Stenberg may fall to three if whoever pick whoever's picking two just covets one of the defensemen so that could happen because it's a wing not a set percent I'm gonna tell you what I heard but keep going so but between Verhoff Reed Charles those three guys you ask ten people and you'll get 10 different answers 10 different rankings between the three and in watching all three play the one who to me just from what I see as far as like I said speed body control all that stuff Verhoff seems to be behind the other two chase read just flies all over the place the other two though also right and that may take a little that may take a little bit more time. Right it took Hedman a few a few years to become headman so he might have the highest ceiling of the three but Reed may have the highest ceiling offensively of the three and Carols may just be Drew Dowdy only as the top hundred player of all time so in two cups. So regardless of whether we so to me it's we win the lottery and get one of the wings or we're gonna we're gonna get one of those three defensemen and whichever one it is I'm gonna be ecstatic.

SPEAKER_04 59:06

Well I I this is my only feeling on this and and I don't know if you've I've seen this floating around Twitter. I don't know if you've seen it Caleb Melholcher is getting a lot of heat.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

I heard Chicago likes him I heard the Canucks like him obviously there's the connection with Manny and and and the Canucks and whatnot so I I'm wondering if you know he jumps up they're talking he may jump up to two I mean you know who he reminds me of and it's not a and this isn't a this isn't a bad player in any bite and he had an unbelievable year this year but look at how long it took Nick Suzuki is kind of who I nice player but is he a one C on a on a cup team and to me he's not a top five caliber my feel and this is my biggest feeling and and this is what scares me I'm no one to pass over Amira Hiskinen or Kel Mawar or someone of that ilk to draft for position for draft a Nick Suzuki.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:17

You know we we've seen that sometimes where they'll reach for forwards and I mean look look even look at the Kratzop draft Sean I mean Zadina Barrett Hayden I think Barrett Hayden was in that draft right Kratzop there were a lot of forwards taken before Evan Bouchard and before Noah Dobson. There were a lot of guys taken before those guys and let's be honest it's because they were forwards there were forwards and and honestly I would prefer a forward myself there there but let's be fair let's talk about it they're not strong on defense either thing like they're they're they're flush with all these defenseman prospects take the best player available correct I don't care who it is if it's a as long as it's not a goalie because we know we don't need I don't care if it's a forward or a defenseman do not pass up on the possibility of finding an Eric Carlson or that type of player in the top five and and and passing on them to draft a forward just because you don't draft for need you're not good enough they're not good enough to say okay you know what we don't have we have enough defensemen you don't yeah you don't I think so if you ask me to rank the three of them I know you like Carvals the best I think he's the safest and what I mean by and that doesn't mean that's not a cop out Verhoeff I think has the highest ceiling because again he's 6'4 and has excellent offensive skills what he could also be he could also be Griffin Reinhardt though he might there's a chance to me he could be too slow he could but he's not slow right if that makes sense for him to be what you want him to be is the top you know 25 minutes a night 24 minute a night run your first power you know Victor Hedman you're dra if you're drafting Verhoff it's because you think he could be Victor Hedman that type of a little less physical from what I understand.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:21

Correct um and Hedman's not overly physical I mean he's physical enough but there's so to me that's the only word and granted if we draft Keaton Verhoff I'm still going to be ecstatic and be really happy with the pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:36

Don't get me wrong though those are the three guys I mean yeah unless they fall to five Sean even five to five and well I'm just saying if they fall to five all three of those guys are there one of those three guys are there if they fall to five maybe they don't like and say Melhol doesn't get drafted maybe they say we'll take Melholtra and we'll we'll we'll position we'll take that over maybe they don't like one of the other the other defensemen that's I don't know I don't know I know I that's that's the only way in my opinion they're gonna not draft one of the defensemen and honestly that could be been what Sullivan was saying when he said where we need a puck moving defenseman yeah there you go all three of them are puck moving defensemen three of those guys are in their wheelhouse right where they could possibly draft you're gonna get one of them unless unless they go one two three you one of them is going to be there.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:36

Carroll's is the left shot reed and verhoff are both right shots and and to be fair they need really need more help on the left side but you which you can't take that into account when you're drafting no no no whichever player you feel is best you pick and I'll tell you I mean Adam Fox won't be here in five years.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:53

I'll tell you this if they give do draft either Verhoff or Reed do you think they're making the team next year Verhoff no he would stay in college read possibly he was a college kid too though isn't he no he played for the Sioux he just played for the Sioux okay I think he's he's a Canadian yeah oh why did I think he was from I think he's an American kid who played in Canada oh is that what it was okay so okay yeah he played for the Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds he um so Rob is asking which defensive prospects are left hand shots yeah Carol's no no is he talking about Rob are you talking about in the Rangers organization or in the draft I think I think what he was referring to maybe maybe was he talking about in the Rangers system because the only defensive prospect that is is really is Jackson Dorrington and EJ Emery all the other defensemen that are in Hartford and Morrowist already up but yeah for the skew is well into that yeah um they got some decisions in the draft yeah in the draft Sean already I said that for you I think I think that's what you're thinking that um I'm taking the best guy correct but Sean let me tell you something they can't miss on this draft and that's why to me not miss on this fuck they cannot miss on this draft yeah I'm sorry there is no way that they can miss on this draft pick I don't care if he's not a Hall of Famer but he's got to contribute to on a high level I mean something I mean again to me to me substance they cannot miss this cannot be Kako or Kratzov it can't it can't it can't it can't it can't I cannot stress that enough was not this franchise back another five years.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:00

Was nine, he wasn't top five. Top five's a lot different than nine, but still top ten. It is top, but it's but it's a lot different than top five.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:07

Look how many other teams have drafted in the top ten and have hit and hit and hit.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:12

And there's a lot that have missed and missed and missed. Oh, I know there are, but I mean, I think you can't miss the top five.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:20

I mean, guys that fell behind Kratzov that were better than him.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:24

Sharp but 11.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:25

Dobson. I know, I know everyone wanted Oliver Oliver Wallstrom, and we all know how that turned out.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:32

I mean same as Kratzov.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:34

I mean, maybe, yeah, close. Keith Mellows. I mean, there have been a lot of bad trick.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:40

So let me just I just wanted so again, that so I I touched on Verhoff where the limitation could set in.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:47

Well, I don't think any of these guys are playing next year.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:50

That was the question I no, I think I think Reed, I think Reed and Carrolls have a chance to play in the right situation next year. Depending on which team. See, Matthew Schaeffer's opened the door to a defenseman playing right away. Whereas normally they would never, it would never be me considered 20 years ago. And that was a mistake. No, he was drafted and he still stayed in London. He didn't come straight from the draft to play in the NHL. He played in London.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

Played one year over there. That's when he was 19. David Tanabi, I think, played. Good pull, though. You gotta admit that one. No, haven't been many defenses.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:29

But because of Chaefer's success has opened the door.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:39

But look how long it took Dalin to get to the level where he you know is now like a whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:46

And here's the thing. You let's I'll go player by player here. They draft Chase Reed. First off, anyone who says Chase Reed is Kal McCarr, punch them in the face. That is underrating Kal McCar so much.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:03

If he's a Kal McCarrell light, I'll take that.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:08

You can say that they're cut from the same cloth stylistically. First of all, he's taller, 6'2. Chase Reed. He is not Kal Makar. Kale Makar is the best defenseman I've seen since prime prime prime Eric Carlson. As far as with the puck. Yeah, Ottawa Eric Carlson. And before that, you know, god only knows. Litstrom Leach.

Fixing The Blue Line This Summer

SPEAKER_04 1:08:33

Like if you're talking about all listen, I love Brian Leach. No, he's not Lichtrom. Lichstrom is one of the best defensemen I have ever seen.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:40

I mean, as far as the excitement, the explosiveness, and all that, and all that stuff. Lich Lichstrom was watching paint dry, but he could but he was a tactician.

unknown 1:08:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:51

Couldn't get around him. He was seven feet tall with the stick.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:56

Charo, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:57

No, but I'm saying like he was only six foot, he was only six foot, six foot one. It wasn't big. But the way he played with the stick, he may as well have been seven feet. It was like an octopus.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:06

No, you're right.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:07

Couldn't get around him. And then he would just oh ho home 70 points. Somehow. It was ridiculous. Yeah. Um but no, he's like Chase Reed would come to the Rangers, have five highlight real plays that would say this is a rookie. You know, if he came up and played right away. But he would be a minus 25. He would be a minus 25 right away. Because the questions about him are as are how good is he defensively? Again, Eric Carlson wasn't great defensively, but he was so unbelievable offensively and controlled the game.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:40

Well, let me ask you this. I don't mean to interrupt you, but I I just want to. Can those type of defensemen who aren't great the greatest defensively, like an Eric Carlson, can they win a championship?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:57

Eric Carlson almost single-handedly did win a championship after getting us.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:11

If you can't, if your liability car's not great defensively.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:16

And he has won a championship.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:22

I mean, we have to do it. I mean, Sandis Ozelinch won a cup with Colorado, but you're going back to the case. I can't think of anybody recently that was just a one-dimensional offensive defenseman that has won a championship.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:37

Paul Cuffy. You got to put up Quinn Hughes numbers.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:59

Eric Holston, and that's why I'm saying that. Think of the stud defenseman that will win championships. The crews, you know, whether it's Petroangelo, who was uh who is a defensive mu, you know, uh Drew Downey, great defenseman, uh headman, great defenseman, puts up both. I'm talking about do both, can put up points and can can play good defense. But I want to know the great defenser, the truly great defenseman that only puts up points that is not good defensively.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:28

But I'm not saying that Chase Reed is Tony D'Angelo defensive.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

I'm saying you prepared Eric Carlson. Eric Carlson is not good defensively, but he has been at times when he wants to.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:41

And I have no idea to I have no idea to say on bad teams.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:46

So finally back in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:52

Um, I have no idea what his motor is. I have no idea if it is it a lack of effort, is it a lack of awareness with him defensively? Is it he doesn't feel challenged at this level right now defensively?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:09

He's 6'2. He's 6'2. I'm talking about Carlson. Are you talking about Carlson or Chase Reed?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:13

Chase Reed.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:14

Oh, I'm sorry, forgive me. I I thought we're still talking about Carlson.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:16

No, talk about Chase Reed. I that's what I'm saying. I know we know Carlson's just, I just want the puck and I'll I'll make up. I make a mistake, you know, I give up a goal, I'll just go get it back. Like that's Carlson's.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:27

I think it's also gonna be on. I mean, if Toronto Well, Toronto, the highest thing they can go, they got can get one, two. They can't get they can't get three, four.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:37

What do I care about Toronto?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:38

Well, I'm just trying to figure out like who's gonna take who would take a defenseman, like who would need like if there's a necessity of those of those other teams.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:46

If we're we're sitting here talking about the Rangers having to just take the best player available, so is every other team. So I don't think anyone's taking plays.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:54

Well, yeah, you're right. I guess so. The other teams, but the other teams have been maybe the other teams have been worse longer. Like Calgary's been bad for a while, you know. Um no, Florida. I mean, I'm telling I'm Sean, I I will be shocked if Florida or Toronto do not win the lottery or get in the top two. I'm telling you right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:14

You do know that it's not fixed, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:16

No, I know it's not fixed. But how can the devils how many times have the devils jumped up into the top into the top? Three times?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:23

That's just gonna show you it's not fixed. Because why the fuck would the league care about the devils? No one else does.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:28

I just well, I just think that's a ranger bias. This that's reading my ranger bias.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:32

They don't they're a terrible TV market, they're they're terrible, they're terrible in in attendance. They're not if the league was trying to fix for a team, it wouldn't be the devils.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:44

Oh, I don't I'm not saying it's fixed. I'm not saying it's fixed. I'm just saying of of all the teams, of the teams that could move up, those are the only two teams I don't want to win.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:54

Crosby was fixed. I think we all agree with that, but that also wasn't that wasn't done by Ernst and Young. Like Ernston Young is go go look at the ticker. I mean, they're worth what$500 billion. They're not putting their their reputation on the line for the NHL lottery.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:15

Well, maybe they fixed the La Frontier draft because they're up the down the block from the garden.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:22

Now you sound like every Islander fan that play hockey.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:25

I well, let me tell you something. We did the Islanders a fucking favor last year by beating them four times, and that's why they wounded up getting that draft pick. God bless. That should have been our pick if we didn't win the last two fucking games of the season. God bless. Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:37

Um, so yes, I do not think the lottery is fixed. No matter who wins it, I mean, we could all have the when they did the the mock lottery and Toronto won it and Zante SN during the uh the draft, the uh trade deadline, and they were like, great, we just broke the internet now by having Toronto win the lottery. No one will ever believe us that we didn't fix it. No, but no, there's no way Northern is fixed.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:02

Like I said, I mean I I don't expect them to win. I just don't want them. I guess it doesn't really matter, but I would like to I would like the opportunity to pick the defenseman. If we're gonna take the defenseman, I'd like for the opportunity to pick the guy that we really want, to not get like the fifth, the fifth guy and be like, all right, well, I guess he's all that's left, so I guess we gotta take it now at this point. I'd rather have the option of the three guys and for us to pick the the one we feel is the best of the of the three of them.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:32

Well, there's also Albert Smith that a lot of people are extremely high on, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:36

He's he's lap Levian.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:38

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:39

Yeah, I don't see the ranges going that way. Neither do I.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:42

I think I think that they're but that doesn't mean that another team that doesn't value.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:47

No, and I agree with that. And he might be able to do that. He's really he's really fucking good.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:52

He might. He might because he's really fucking good. You know, I mean he's got a great attitude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:58

I don't know. I I'm just looking at the case.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:00

He's the most physical of the four. He's 6'3, skates like the wind, hits, good, like, really good offensive player, good defense. Like he's all around. He's gonna be another really, really, really good fucking defense player.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:13

So if the Rangers win the draft lottery, we're gonna go to the uh the what's it called? The um the viewing party, the ranger viewing party, and bro, and do uh a live from there, right?

unknown 1:16:25

I'll go.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:28

I went to the Kacko one. See, I did not chase us out of there fast enough.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:34

I went to the craft stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:36

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:37

That's the only viewing party I went to. We had three first round picks. That was the only one that I went to.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:44

Well, when I decided to go, that was before they made the Truba trade. So they did have two first-round picks. They had theirs and they had the Winnipeg one.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:53

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:54

And then they traded it back to Winnipeg for Truba. So at that point they had two second rounders. But I'll tell you, they made the Kaco pick, they did a little other nonsense, bullshit, and they were like, all right, let's go, everyone out.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:08

So they got they got word that they weren't make they weren't trading back into the first round again, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:14

Apparently. I mean, I don't know how far they I don't remember how far along into the draft, but I mean it didn't matter at that point, but they they they they couldn't kick us out of that place fast enough.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:25

Um yeah, I went to the one craftsov, Keandre Miller, and uh what was it like?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:31

So let me ask you this. What was it like when they announced that the Rangers had made a trade and they had moved up?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:37

Was it was it I what started going nuts thinking we got Martin Cow. Uh um Dominic Bach. That's who I thought we were trading up for.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:48

Oh.

Trade Targets And Deadline Frustration

SPEAKER_05 1:17:49

Dominic Bach. Yeah. I guess in hindsight, that was probably awful. But he was falling, he was supposed to probably go around like 13, 14.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:00

Isn't it so funny? Like when when stuff like that happens. Because I I remember the Kratzov draft. Angelo Esposito fell. And like, oh my god, I can't believe he fell. It's gonna be great. We're gonna get a great player, blah, blah, blah. Which draft is this? The the the Sheripanoff draft.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:15

Oh, Sheriffano, you said Kratzov. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:18

Yeah, I meant the Sheripanoff draft. And you know, he winds up getting drafted, and you know, God only knows what would have happened with him, what would have happened with him, fortunately, unfortunately. But then Angel Esposito got picked right after that, and you know, he never saw the light of the day. So you you never know. I mean, you never know with these guys. They they hang around, and you know, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:39

Yeah, but when when the trade came through, that's all I could think of at the time. Like I literally jumped out of my seat. We got Dominic, but I was also extremely drunk. Yeah.

unknown 1:18:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:50

Felt for him, couldn't contain it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:52

Well, I don't even remember because I watched that. Obviously, I watched that draft. I I don't remember them saying, Miller, you know, um, you know, them talking about that. Sometimes you you get a sense. But remember the the the Offman draft? I mean, you and I that was when I think we first started kind of talking. Yeah. You thought that they remember remember Detroit moved one pick past us, and they you thought that the Rangers were gonna get draft Costa?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:24

I thought that, yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

That was strange.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:27

I was ner I was nervous that we were gonna take Osa.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:30

Why why would they have jumped us to take a goalie?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:37

Because you had to pay Igor 12 million dollars and you didn't know what Igor was 100% yet?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:42

I I don't know. I always found that fascinating that you know you jump us to take a goalie. And I remember you saying, like, do you think you wanted Cosa?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:52

It was rumored.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:53

They weren't drafting a goalie in the first round, it was rumored. They weren't drafting a goalie in the first round, Sean.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:00

I'm just saying that it was rumored. I'm not saying that they were aware.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:02

I mean, I I mean, maybe they would have better off about drafting Kosa than drafting Offman, but I mean, I don't know what Kosa's doing now. Is he he's even in the league?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:13

He's uh Grand Rapids. He's early. It's 23. What is he, 23?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:18

Well, I mean, look how long it's taken Durant to get here.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:21

That's what I'm saying. It takes his goalies a long time. So I wouldn't I wouldn't read into whether he's here yet or not.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:28

Yeah, no, I know.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:29

I guess when you see Dan Blackburn coming up as an 18-year-old, but yeah, uh Ghost, I I I agree with you about Mal Holcher, though. I I think his ceiling. Yeah, Nick Suzuki, I think. A high end two C. Dylan Larkin, Nick Suzuki. Yeah, really good player, not a one C that's gonna carry a team. And if you're gonna draft someone in the top five, you want a foundational building block player.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:59

I mean, what we'll we'll do this on another show. I want to go through some of these drafts that'll fill up some time.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:07

If we get if we draft Stenberg, I have to be honest with you, I have no idea what he is.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:12

I have no his numbers everybody's consistent consistent with him.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:16

His numbers are off the fucking charts.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:19

Let me ask you this compared to everyone else now. Who was the last I'm trying to really like who's the who's the who's I know for obviously we know Forbesberg how great he was. You know, Pedersen's had his ups and downs, but the the last really great, the most recent great Lucas Raymond as far as great what forward, Swedish forward.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:47

Oh, Swedish forward, Sasha Barkov?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:51

He's Swedish and his Finnish.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:54

Swedish Finnish?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:56

I think that's a big difference, right? He's not Russian.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:59

Sounds like a Russian one.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:03

But what was the last great, truly great stud? I mean, the Sadines were 1999.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:13

I mean Sabana Jeff?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:15

Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:16

Um great star Lucas Raymond. Yeah, I guess we could you could throw him up there. No, I and you're not wrong. That is my only but his number his numbers, his numbers are like double what other kids his day and have gone on to be stars in the NHL have done. That's uh that's Finland, that's not Sweden.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:41

No, I know, but where are his numbers compared to Kako? Oh I don't want to know. I want to know because Kacko is the consensus second overall fucking pick, Sean, all year. Yeah, all year. So I am very worried. I almost don't want the Rangers to be.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:56

I agree. It's still just happening the same way. Like, I know, I know Gavin McKenna is gonna be great. Like, I think anyone who's ever watched Gavin McKenna play knows he's gonna be great. But so I'm not worried about Lafreniere. This is different.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:12

This is speed was the consensus. I get that, but this is for three years prior to his draft.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:18

This is speed. This is speed, and this is Patrick Kane. That's uh Gavin McConnell. That would be insane. I'm not gonna lie. That wouldn't be right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:31

He's going to Florida and Toronto. Mark my words. It's it's just too easy for him to go to Vancouver or Calgary. I mean, maybe Chicago, but I mean, what I will say though is I did go back and look at the last five draft lotteries. Okay. So the Islanders won last year and moved all the way to one. Noah team, other team in the last five years have made that big a jump. It's mostly been, I think the highest was a team uh Chicago was fifth.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:04

They moved to two. Yeah, they moved to two.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:06

No, no, no. Chicago went to first for Bradard. So maybe they were third. So maybe Chicago was third and moved to one. But there was a team that was fifth. It might have been the Devils. Devils went from five to two and they drafted Nemich. Other than that, other than the Islanders, and other than, like I said, the Devils moving from five to one or five to two, there hasn't been any team to make that big of a jump. Most of the other teams have been in that top five. So from five to one, if they've just been reshuffled a little bit. So we have that in our favor to think that maybe the Islander draft was just a one-off. So listen, I'm good with with Calgary or Chicago or or any one of those other teams winning. Just not a team in my friend. I don't want to have to worry about this guy now shoving it down our throats, you know, having to play this guy possibly in a playoff series and having to deal with them. Let them be fucking out west. That's all I care about. We only have to worry about those two teams. Everyone else are Western conference teams.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:13

Right. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty convinced that Vancouver is going to wind up getting the first pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:20

I hope they do.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:21

It's a great, it's a great city. I hope they do. You know, because they go in there, going to Chicago, going to uh Calvary, any one of those teams. Just not Toronto, not Toronto, and not one. We will never ever not. They'll talk about on NHL radio for a week. I mean, they'll talk about nothing else.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:41

Oh, if he goes to Toronto?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:42

Oh, if he goes to Toronto. Oh, forget it. Oh, forget it.

unknown 1:25:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:45

You're not gonna, you're not, don't even bother.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:47

That fan base, that fan base will will want Austin Matthews out of town before you could say a word.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:52

And then um, and then what's it called? They moved up in the draft. I think, but they I don't, I think they were no, they finished with the worst record when they did. Oh no, they didn't finish the worst record. You're right. That were that was that that was that yeah, but then they had the one year where it's funny, I was joking about this. They had the one year that they traded their first round pick for Kessel, and it wounded up being Sagan. And now this year, protected, there's a chance they could possibly move down. Well, they're five out of five, right? If they're gonna move down to they can move down to six if anyone leaps leapfrogs themselves five, you don't, you know, dare down to six, and now they're gonna lose a top six pick for friggin' Brandon Carlo. Yeah, at least Kethel, you can kind of wrap your head around. You're going to lose a top five pick for fucking Carlo. Islanders can't get the first overall pick.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:55

No, they can only move up 10 spots.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:59

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:00

So we got that going for us.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:02

Which is nice.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:03

Yes. But I mean, man, oh man, you I mean, you gotta be. I mean, we think we have it bad. To me, Toronto is in much worse position than we are.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:15

And they have to sweat, they have to sweat this out.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:18

They have to sweat this out now. Roughly, thank God we only have two more weeks. We got two, right? Two weeks from Tuesday, right? Is that is the lottery? So it's not next Tuesday, it's the Tuesday after. So we're gonna have some kind of understanding of what what we're what we're dealing with and where we're picking.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:37

And then from there we'll have your entire offseason changes if you win the lottery.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:44

Does it? Well, there's still two, they still even if they graft McKenna Sean, they still need another top six forward.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:52

They'd only need one more, not two.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:54

They still need one more. You know, I mean, I I want I wonder do though if they do get McKenna if they will um if they'll just stay in pat and they won't even bother and just see what Lafreniere is at that point then.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:13

But what is neither one has to do with the other. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:18

No, but then I it's a free asset. Let's so let's say for not gonna trade anybody though.

Draft Lottery Plans And Nerves

SPEAKER_05 1:28:23

Let's devil's advocate. Let's say they they win the lottery and they get McKenna or they finish second and then drift Stanford. Uh-huh either way that player is gonna play most likely on the second line with JT Miller. And this is here's reason number 65 I could give you because we didn't get to this yet of how badly I want them to sign Alex Tuck. And I don't care what the cost is um you put a kid like that on a line with Miller and Tuck and he's protected because both of those guys will go to war to protect the kid and they both have enough offensive ability to play with a kid like that. And neither one of them needs the puck to where whether it's McKenna or Stenberg they can play off the puck too I would love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:10

I would love that I would not put it past them if they win the draft lottery to make an offer for Tuck I think they're gonna make an offer no no no no you don't think they need to make an offer for Tuck you think they're giving him 13 14 million dollars a year they have 30 million under the cap. I don't care no fucking way am I giving a 30 you're gonna give him eight years at 14 million dollars a year 13 13 million dollars a year you're out of your mind no way if you win the lottery because I'm telling you right now this is what's gonna happen you ready they're gonna leave out that contract and you know what's gonna happen McD McDavid's gonna be available someone better is going to be available and you're gonna be stuck with this fucking guy who's gonna be a friggin' shell of himself in three years you're gonna be stuck with him for five more years after that and we're gonna be right back to where we were they've got to get younger and got to get faster only way I would bring Tuck in is if it's for a shorter term deal say five years he's not taking out million fine five years 14 million and if McKenna's on board oh and also I have both so they've capped contracts at seven years re signing your own guy is that across the board is that starting this year is that starting next year I thought that's this year.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:29

I think you're right so does that mean UFAs are six years as a max have to get clarification on that.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:36

Let's let me look that up really fast because I'm losing steam here.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:42

NHL uh contract link this is some strong podcasting right now this is how we do it limit let's see seven years seven years and six years that makes a big difference so guys teams can't he can't get six years he can't get eight years anymore we couldn't get eight years from us anyway no six years so six years oh man so he's 29 right he'll be 30 next year Tuck you'd be signing him through through 36 which which you understand the last two years of that contract well I guess if you look at a number if you're if you're trading Trochec so there's five million so technically you have 35 million tuck turns 30 during the playoffs next month so he's still 29 so you're signing up for a little bit more if you figure five of the six years is what you're signing him for you're getting ages 30 31 32 33 34 you might you might be right here right the fact that it's not eight years anymore yeah well we weren't eight years anymore i'm saying that has to be a sign and trade a sign and trade right but the fact that it won't be a seven year deal wondering if if if buffalo can't come to a contract I'm wondering if they would do a sign and trade with the team give them eight years because I don't think that kicks in until July 1. I wonder if they would do that in ahead of time do a sign and trade effective September 16th of 2026 oh so then you could you could still give the seven years now so this free agency you could still give seven years. Yeah that's not good effective September 16th of 26th through the 2930 season reduces the maximum contract lengths.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:55

So you could still give you could still give players seven years I didn't I didn't I didn't read I should have read I didn't read all the contracts signed during yep still following the old seven eight rule no to me I mean five years to me is what I would do I think I think there's going to be other unless he really wants to play here but I mean I don't know I don't there's a lot of teams at caps dunno Sean that's the other problem is did did puckpedia did they did they change over their their seat their thing for next year for everybody I haven't checked I haven't checked I'm wondering where do we stand as far as where the fortunate part that we have is is we have 19 players under contract. Right I mean we don't we don't you know we don't really I mean about Goran's gonna sign for the league minimum maybe give him a two year deal at maybe like 900 and a million make his AAV like 950 is still less than you were playing quick and then you know no only it's still on this year.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:05

What's that everything everything is still on this year.

Top Five Prospects And Draft Mistakes

SPEAKER_04 1:34:09

Yeah so I mean you got other teams with UFAs we only RFAs the only thing we have is Schneider and uh Braden Schneider and we need a backup goalie I think it's Garand I I don't see any situation where it's not Grand I think he he won his audition I completely agree which which begs the question what would the sea what would the season have been if they called up Corend instead of Spencer Martin and he played like this about that um well I mean he was brutal in the preseason but so was Jonathan so was Jonathan quick his first year if you remember his god awful preseason uh but if this he would have gotten a lot more starts he probably would have played more than quick would have stayed quick I think they did us a favor by having Spencer Martin play that we were the top five picks yeah for the draft advice Spencer Martin both quick and Spencer Martin were brutal they were well quick played too much he played too much he didn't have the week off to let his body I mean recover quick quick I mean look at quick down the stretch I mean he was great when he did when it was when he was only playing like here and there right he was fantastic he could have probably played next year but not here and I I don't think he wanted to go anywhere else that's that's probably the other part of it and honestly I wouldn't mind that it'd be great it'd be great he won me over he won me over I think he won you over I mean you and I had this conversation listen I wasn't I was say 6040 happy that they lost that game but I felt bad for him I felt like he deserved better than that and the team tried they pushed yeah they tried they tried to win the game for the guy I mean which was crazy to me was how that game was only 3-2 Florida had nobody dressed and you barely you couldn't beat that team I was like I was mind blowing I after the game when I saw Stan Bennett in street clothes and Barcott and Mikola and this guy and that guy I'm like well who the hell played like how did they not beat this team hold on I read off the uh dude there were guys out there that I had never the guy that scored the two goals for them I have never heard of Cole Reinhardt never heard of him is he related to no relation Colton Reinhardt uh to uh Griffin Reinhardt or Sam Reinhardt Sam Reinhardt he didn't play well he played Sam Reinhardt played right so the the guy who led them in minutes was Marek Alshner Michael Michael Benning Tobias Bjornfoot who can never even crack the lineup Donovan Sabragno Tarasal and net Ludwig Jansen Vinnie Jonsen Vinny Hinnestroza Swedish player on the planet playing for them that night pretty much Cole Schwint Jesper Bokis Thomas nochak how do they not beat that team Wilmer Scoog oh my god Luke Kuhnin Noah Greger if Luke Kunin if I'm if I'm quick I have no I know why I freaking stormed off the ice how do you you have every healthy player you have nobody injured and you couldn't beat that Florida team for sling played third played just under 14 minutes that's insane AJ Greer who's usually plays in the top you know plays on their team played 13 minutes fourth line player yeah he played 13 minutes samuskevic played 11 minutes Nolan foot played 10 minutes unbelievable how that was it that team that's amazing that's really that really is amazing that that's the lineup and they beat that team unbelievable unbelievable but then they go out and beat Minnesota now the Rangers only allowed 16 shots on goal and they go out and beat they they beat a a Toronto a Detroit team that needs that game to win to to to stay in the playoff race and they go out and beat the Capitals who need but yet they can't beat this doesn't that just blow your mind who I mean they totally outplayed Florida both of those I mean yeah still didn't win so only scored two goals yeah that's how they were all season Sean yeah when the games were important they could not find the offense so whatever it is what it is I mean like I said's going to either be I mean we haven't seen an offseason since like a really I was thinking about this before and I meant I meant to bring this up to you the last true offseason we really saw moves now they haven't had cap space right was the Panarin offseason right that's the last year where you could say wow that was monumental like I have that's the best offseason I have ever seen in range truba Fox Truba Panarin you know they trade VC they bring in the Chichurkin signs Kratsoff signs Davidson's brought in uh it was just like boom boom boom boom it was like another VC out I mean it was just like nonstop nonstop can we get something like that this year I don't know and listen they haven't done it so until we see that I I have to try to and I'm gonna mean this when I say it and not give my whole reverse psychology I will when I I when I I will believe it when it happens right because we have not seen this GM be creative.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:15

But we both know and he's admitted that status quo is not going to be acceptable like they're not running it back. They wrote a letter saying they're not running it back once I'm wondering if he does not get what he wants for Trochek for Braden Schneider and they come back that's running it back I mean they're gonna have to get rid of guys because I mean obviously now the bottom six and they're talking about bringing in bottom six players where are they playing I mean let's be fair wait hold on wait hold on he never said that these bottom six players would be playing in the bottom six and and to be fair if they don't bring in an impact player or two will coole is playing in your top six can't have that right can't have that well honestly to me he's the plus on a third line and he's a negative on a second line no he's not again yes don't get me wrong right if someone's if someone values him as a top six guy and is gonna pay you at that value point then sure because to me he's a very good he he profiles to me as someone I love on my team for the next 10 years as a third line guy. Like you can win a cup with him on your third line.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:43

100% but you can you win a cup with him on your second line no unless the other two guys agree sure you know if he's the third guy he didn't really start picking up his offense until the second until the last 10 games too I mean he had a hat trick that's really what got him to 20 goals which you don't take away from him but yeah I'm not I'm not I'm not and I'm not and I never done that in the past where I said Marine Gabrick scored you know 20 goals one season or his middle season and he had a four goal game and and three hat tricks and he scored all his goals in essentially four games but I mean you don't take that away from the guy the guy still scored the goals but you know you'd like the production to be spread out a little bit more right um Panarin's been great in the playoffs PS I mean on a sidebar I mean he's they say he's been fantastic on the goals I haven't he's got he's got only two goals but he's got two goals no they're not beating that team anyway nobody's they're gonna steamroll through everybody if Colorado doesn't win the cup this year Sean I I really I mean unless the Western Conference teams just completely kick the crap out of each other after after this round I can't I mean none of these eastern conference teams even sniff none of them the only team the only team I put a wager on was Vegas and I put the wager on Vegas the day after Tortorella was hired not listen not a bad not a bad bet you knew that that would be the easiest path would be through the Pacific um what's that Dallas Minnesota I know they were tied at the series was tied at one are they playing tonight they're playing tonight okay uh tied in the middle uh toward the end of the second period tied up at 2-2 I mean are you you're not surprised about fucking Pittsburgh right yeah I am down 3-0 yeah that's surprising I get it Philly was red hot going into the playoffs and they're riding that and this kid porta Marton is fucking ridiculous yeah and that's a that's another big thing is look look what happens when you inject youth into your lineup yeah you've seen it when I saw that Sean Crider popped right in my brain I said Crider was the reason why that team won in 2012 I will take that to my grave I was at 90% of those playoff games he was a bull in a China shop in those in those series and the same thing in 2014 they were dead in the water against Pittsburgh dead in the water against Pittsburgh he comes back the whole series fucking changed yeah the whole series changed so you get those you have those guys that have this intangible about them and the Rangers need to find a guy like that again they need to go out and find another player that you know what maybe he doesn't have the greatest maybe only puts up 25 goals or 20 goals in the regular season but when the playoffs come the guy is freaking Wayne Gretzky and and you know what that's what they need those type of guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:53

That's my hope with a with a guy like Wild Bill or maybe even an Adams the corner oh what cooling to me is is what I call him Wild Bill.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:02

Well we haven't seen them yet so we have to listen Drury's a coward for for month for multiple reasons but for him to not say I expect this team to be in the playoffs next year or I expect them to say nothing or you wouldn't put the timeline out there I mean why wouldn't you say we have the talent on this team because he is a fucking coward okay don't think Lenseda or Messier said I expect this team with the talent we have we're going to be healthy hopefully we're healthy again we have the goaltending we have the defense we have the talent on this team to be a playoff team for him to come out and say nothing is a fucking coward. He is a fucking coward and I it's now we're starting to catch on about the whole coward thing I've been calling him for fucking three years. You have been calling that yes god I fucking hate him listen I don't miss bad on anybody but if he got fired tomorrow I would be in my fucking glory a lot of people would he's awful he's fucking awful until the next guy takes over he makes you long did you ever think and I said this earlier would you ever think you'd long for Glenn Sather I like Sather me too but there's a whole there's a whole fan base that hated him including our friends at BSU they would they would they would drive sather to the they would pick up sather from the airport if they could and they hated him they would have had a rally for him to about the up with him to have him fired. They would trade Drake for Sather tonight tonight they would drive to the airport and pick him up in a stretch limo give him champagne caveat escargot whatever he wanted I'm telling you there is a contingency of this fan base that hated Glenn Sather just got the visual of a gym driver a stretch limo pulling up the door opens and it's Eddie just playing with his ching goate I knew you'd be hello glenn slats get in here slats oh my god you have to see if you have to see if you can um pull that and and send it to them like a clip or something that'd be fun oh if I could if I could do that on AI yeah I'm not that I'm not that gifted with AI.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:30

How do you pull like the little snippets from the show and then post them on YouTube oh on this yeah or AI generates them I don't get a choice of what they're I thought they did.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:41

They'll do like 20 of them throughout dude that would be freaking hilarious. But yeah it's uh listen I'm just hoping I mean can it get any worse I mean I thought last season was bad but this season was was much worse than last year because at least last year they were competitive like up until like almost the end.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:04

In the standings yeah but I saw there were but we left off last year and what and this is I guess we'll finish with this yeah let's do that because I'm um I don't like drunk shot same allergies killing oh yeah um last year we left off with everything's there and now Miller's here and that'll that's what's gonna change the new coach in Miller that's what's gonna drive us into next year. And that was my optimism and that was probably optimism for a lot of people but not me then there wasn't any actual like you said it was running it back. There was no actual change to the team nothing Miller was out that's it think of how many people contributed this year that weren't on the team and I don't mean Perot playing five games last year. I mean guys who weren't really yeah Perot Fortescue Himilas Socora Ty Cartier it's five just right off the top of my head Noah Lava six defenseman Robertson Fortescue it's on and on and on like literally almost half the roster is young kids that were not on this team last year.

Alex Tuch Talk And Cap Reality

SPEAKER_04 1:49:17

Right right so there's a build there that's a building block and then you you had Zabanajad resurgence Miller he doesn't get enough credit for that and he had a great year Zabanajad he had a great year and and he had every reason Sean he had every reason to sulk and to cry and to be upset all his buddies were traded all his friends were gone and what he did was he put his head down and he just fucking played played and played and played well and I listen I was I was on him and I owe him an apology I wanted him gone he wants to be here he's he's he's doing what he can To get the team where they need to be, he wants to be part of the solution. He says he wants to be part of the solution. And you know what? Whether he is or not, we're gonna find out. But he's given us everything he's got, and that's all you can ask for from a player is the effort, right? So only do so much, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:50:20

And you always and you know you're getting the effort from him every night.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:23

What he said about the team is I told you I said, where are the goals coming from? And the and and I said you you you you you got rid of Kreider. Who's scoring? Like you were, you you wanted more at a la frontier. Pinaren was giving you exactly what he gave you the year before, so you can't get on him. He gave you the offense, he was he was contributing, Mika was contributing, but nobody else was, and that was the problem. You know, Trochik got hurt, right? And that and that's let's let's call it what it was. It was an absolute snowball starting from the game against Buffalo straight through. Starting from opening night. No, it was opening night. Miller's not a hundred percent, and there's the season.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:10

It started opening night. And I know she lost. He said if he would have scored one goal against Pittsburgh, if they would have gotten one meaningless goal at the end of the game, the narrative changes and they don't put so much pressure. It was the accumulation of the year.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:29

Uh honestly, on and on and on, and it got in their heads, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:51:34

And it's historic, it's not just like, hey, it was a few games and it was this, it became a historic thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:40

That's like they didn't have a problem scoring against Charlie Lindgren when the games didn't matter, they'd have a problem scoring on the road goals, they didn't have a problem scoring on the road, had nothing to do with Charlie Linggren, it's just it got in their heads. That's not good.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:55

But I think it wouldn't happen to I think once that happened, like again, it was a snowball from last year into this year, right? Right. Like that's why I really say it. If they got one goal on opening night, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:08

Well, if they got one goal even the next night, even we're not having the conversation.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:12

That conversation never becomes a thing. And then was it our stools talking about it, and then SPN picked up on like well, they were lucky.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:25

They they went on a little bit of a run to end the year at home. They they didn't break that record.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:31

Emily Kaplan, Emily Emily Kaplan was running out of hair to pull out of her head thinking about this. I know. There's only a few strands left. I know, poor thing. Um, yeah, just it just it was and then again, right. The injuries, yeah, guys playing that weren't healthy, and they were definitely not this bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:53

They were not third worst round NHL. No. At the winner classic, they were two points out of the playoffs. Florida, Sean. I mean, they had a shit ton of injuries too, and look where they are.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:02

They were two points out of the playoffs at the at the winter classic. Yeah, two points.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:06

Seth Jones was another guy that didn't play the other for for Florida that night either. I'm just saying, like just look at how many look at all these teams. I mean, take take um, what's this called out of it? Um, take the the Chicago's and and Vancouver and Calgary, there, there and Seattle, those teams are all bad. But I mean, Toronto, they've had injuries all year.

unknown 1:53:30

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:30

Florida has had injuries all year. The Rangers had injuries all year. All three of those teams, older teams, older players.

unknown 1:53:38

Injuries.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:39

Now you see where we stand.

unknown 1:53:40

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:41

You know, and obviously we know Nashville and both of the teams, all the teams.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:46

Guys that you would expect to be back here next year. I mean, obviously you have the Ben and Jed's gonna be 30.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:54

Right. Except for Trochek, obviously. But he's on the movement clause.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:57

But you got La Fournier 24, Fox 27, Cooley, 20. I'm reading their ages this year. 24, 27, 23, 20, 22, 27. That's radish if he's back. 24, 24, 24, 22, 23, 25, 21, 20. Like it's not an it's it's a it's a young team with a couple of with a couple of veterans now.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:25

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:25

As opposed to being a veteran team with a couple of kids.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:28

I think Radish is gonna get an opportunity. I guess it's all gonna be contingent of who they bring in.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:32

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:33

But I think Radish is gonna get an opportunity to play in the dot bottom six, and if he doesn't make the team, he's gonna get parsoned to Hartford.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:41

That's fine. You said it when it was done, though. That the contract is very long.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:46

Same thing with Dakinainen, same thing, you know. I don't know what they're gonna do with Aiorio. I don't know. I I I don't think they gave that kid. I don't think they gave that guy a fair shake. I thought he was great in some of the games he played, but again, I I think they thought they were trading Braden Schneider. That's my opinion. Oh, yeah. Otherwise, why the hell did you bring this guy in here?

SPEAKER_05 1:55:06

You already had because he's talent, he's got some talent. That's why he brought him in. Over who? Over who? There was that they're stocked up on the right side. Morrow couldn't even get in.

Backup Goalie Ideas And Final Wrap

SPEAKER_04 1:55:19

You need to play Borgan and Schneider every game.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:23

Because you're not taking them out of the lineup. If they're guys who are on your team, they're veteran players next year.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:34

It's about the year after, you couldn't let them sit one game. They would play well, they don't want to sit.

unknown 1:55:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:42

I guess you know what you're right. Veterans want to play, you gotta play them. You're right, you're right. I'm not disagreeing with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:49

Yeah, I I just to me I let guys ride on the and if I'm sitting there and I'm playing a video game and I want to build up their XP stats, you know, their their attributes.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:01

I guess with them, I guess with them. I guess like you know, that's the crazy part. Now they were healthy, now nobody got hurt. Right the last 20 games of the season, nobody got hurt. I guess incredible. When you wanted guys to maybe get hurt so that guy, other guys could get in the lineup, everybody was healthy, especially on the blue line. Nobody got hurt. Ovaka Ninen got hurt.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:25

That's fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:26

He's it, he was the only one. And you wanted a right-handed shot guy to get hurt.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:32

Anyway, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:33

Good show. Yes, did almost two hours. My throat is fried. Like I can't talk anymore.

unknown 1:56:39

Same.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:40

Um, we'll figure out maybe doing something. I don't know if you want to wait till we'll we'll do baby just wait till the draft lottery.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:46

Yeah, there's nothing nothing to talk about between now and the lottery.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:49

And then, you know, obviously we'll do something tonight at the draft lottery. Yep. Jump on. And uh yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:57

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:58

All right, pal.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:58

Later, guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:59

Later.