Trocheck Trade Buzz And Draft Week Stakes For The New York Rangers

We’re caught between excitement and anxiety as the Rangers head into draft week, because the roster has money and pressure but still lacks a true game-breaking forward. We dig into Trocheck trade smoke, Toronto’s wild-card future, and why the next move has to be bold and correct.

• Knicks parade chaos and how fan behavior looks different as you get older 
• Juneteenth holiday chatter plus our return to Twitter 
• Why Trocheck changing agents mid-contract feels like a signal 
• What a real Trocheck trade package would need to include 
• The “needle mover” debate and why McDavid changes everything 
• Toronto’s new regime and the logic behind dangling Matthew Nyes 
• What it would cost to chase a true superstar like Auston Matthews 
• Leadership, identity and why a Brady Tkachuk type matters 
• Drury’s track record, Buchnevich fallout and why trust is low 
• Player development reality check and why prospects have to force it 
• Draft targets at five and the risk of boomer-bust defensemen 
• Patreon plans for live draft and free agency coverage 

If you're not on the Patreon group and you'd like to contribute, we don't ask much, but if any any contribution you can make is appreciated, you could always reach out to me or rock um for information on how to contribute to our Patreon. 

Transcript

Parade Chaos And Fan Behavior

SPEAKER_05 0:55

Well, Rock, today is the day of the New York Knicks parade and James Dolan taking the uh taking bows and having roses tossed at him.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

And New Yorkers are oh did not mean to do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:11

Sorry, guys. New Yorkers are climbing up uh street street signs and twerking. Asses are out, asses are getting slapped. Right. Rock, the day the Rangers win the cup and we have a parade. I will climb one of those fucking things. I will pull my ass out and I will twerk for the masses.

SPEAKER_06 1:31

You know what though?

SPEAKER_05 1:31

But at this point, I hate to say this to you. You might not be able to get your ass up then. The right there. I'll figure that the fuck out. I will figure it the fuck out. Maybe by then they'll have the cars like the Jetsons, and we could just fly up to one of the doors. Or you can just get into Laurean and build our own. Can't we just have nice things? I see that video today of the fucking I'll leave. I'll leave out who it was. You guys could all go watch the video that Bar Stool posted. It's viral of who's up there twerking on the on the on the pole. And all you see, this is the difference of me 20 years ago thinking, oh yeah, look at that. Look at that. That's funny. And me being a 45-year-old dad with a four-year-old. This poor son of a bitch is standing there with his like eight to ten-year-old son, just wants to see the fucking parade. And he's got a half laugh, half shield his son from seeing. Like come on, I didn't see it. Oh listen, I'm I'm not gonna pretend I'm happy the Knicks won. Yes, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I've been a diehard fan. No, this is all over this is all over Twitter. I didn't, I didn't even see it. I guess it's not about algorithm right now. Yeah, it's everywhere. Um, you know, good good for the I think it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_06 2:50

I get it. I I I get I get the whole thing. I I think if things get overblown with these parades, and you know, just go there and have fun, man.

SPEAKER_05 2:58

I mean, just go there for a few drinks. It's about burning top cars, shooting people, and have fun. Yeah, you know, I mean you're witnessing something that hasn't happened in half a century, and we may never see another one, Sean. Right. I mean, but if they by the time they win again, it's gonna be 2079. Think about it, we're both gonna be gone, and let's let's both fans waited the same amount of time as Ranger fans did from 1940 to 1994. It was a year difference, correct? So, in essence, it's the same amount of time, right? So,

Juneteenth, Twitter Return, Loose Start

SPEAKER_05 3:35

anyway, we are not here to talk about Knicks. I mean, congratulations to the Knicks. I just thought it was hilarious. Well, there is some correlations which I'm sure we'll get into that. We did talk about on our on our previous podcast. Yeah, we'll dig deeper into those, of course. Um, but kind of just want to get on here. Listen, it's a Thursday, which in my world with hey, listen, Juneteenth is tomorrow. Big day. Big day, Juneteenth is a big day. It's a big day because I am off tomorrow. Nice and paid for it. Congrats. If you weren't retired, you would uh you'd get some time and a half. No, you get time and a half, though.

SPEAKER_06 4:08

No, uh, get holiday pay for that.

SPEAKER_05 4:10

Holiday pay. So there you go. We got two. We used to get two bulk paychecks twice a year, which were nice because one was after Christmas and one was in July. So it was it was nice. So June, yeah. Juneteenth. Yeah, yeah. Not one of my black friends knows what the fuck it is, but hey, Juneteenth. Here we are. Thank you. We're almost there, we're almost at the finish line, right now. Almost there. So the finals is over. So for those who didn't join us, we're on Twitter finally. Twitter hasn't worked for us in a month, in two months. So we're on Twitter. Good. Thank you to everybody who's joining us on Twitter or X, sorry. Uh, so yeah, so the wife is out tonight. I'm half in the bag. I've been drinking since five o'clock. Good. I'm ready to go. No one uh no one to tell me to keep it down. Mox got his uh his 1994 Vancouver Canucks shirt on. So this is a FDNY king of the ice t-shirt that they did. Oh, nice. Which I thought was so cool the way they did it. So that's his king of the ice here.

SPEAKER_06 5:13

But it is fitting that I got my Ranger hat on and my Vancouver Canucks shirt on.

SPEAKER_05 5:16

So Tortarella coached the Canucks and just lost in the finals. I think it yeah, I think there was some there was some correlation going on. Ron Smith actually, I think, coached for Vancouver, but that's a different story. But um, no, man, I'm I'm revving

Draft Countdown And Early Rumor Check

SPEAKER_05 5:31

to go. I mean, we got uh we got a you know eight days to the draft. Yep, there's a lot of like juicy stuff coming out, not a lot out about the Rangers. We you know, you talked about the Trochick thing yesterday. Um, the understanding, and Chris Johnson mentioned it today on his podcast. I'm not sure if you if you saw that that clip, not the clip, but the the quote. Most times a player changes his agents when they want to get this thing going. Correct. Like they want to they want to get moving. So whether we see it or not, guys, I I mean, I I don't really, I don't really we there's no there's no uh there's no feeling around anything right now. So there's no given this context. I mean the only thing we got was this was a Kevin Weeks cryptic text or tweet and and and a possible Brett Barrard trade.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

Yeah, he got his he got his clicks.

Trocheck Agent Change And Trade Signals

SPEAKER_03 6:22

So I I did a pay I went live in Patreon, I believe, yesterday, either yesterday or two days ago.

SPEAKER_05 6:28

Um, whenever whenever Trochek hired his agent, I was on the road, so I said, let me jump on, give some content and uh feelings to the Patreon uh subs supporters. Trochek hiring the agent, a little weird. His agent, which I didn't know until I read the article, passed away like a little over a year ago. Matt Oates is actually his new was his new current. So he had a new agent, yeah, which is a new relationship. It was in the middle of a long-term contract. So I don't know how much due diligence you put into it. Listen, I'm signed for the next four years here. Right, my agent just died. Right. I don't know how much was put into it. Clearly, he felt some concern and wanted to take back some control over the narrative. Hired the number one agent who also has a great working relationship with the Rangers. Let's be honest about things. You I equated it to this guy is like the Scott Boris of the NHL without being the scumbag douchebag that Boris can be for baseball, where he's just more or less he's the big power agent. He has a you know, he's a mover and a shaker. What I think this comes down to is the Trojek himself can't do the work, so the agent does the work for him where he does the back channeling. Hey, all right, this is a team that normally my client would not want to go to, but we understand that you might be interested in him. Uh what's your plan? Uh what's your plan both for for Trochek? What's your plan roster-wise for the rest of the team? Uh listen, he may make an exception to go to the west coast for you if you're looking to compete, and what's what's the rest of your plan look like?

SPEAKER_06 8:13

Well, that was also the other part of what Chris Johnson said, that he said he'd he is willing to go to the west coast, which I'm sure you're because I think he'd rat rather than be on the east coast and go to a shit team that the Rangers can trade him to.

SPEAKER_05 8:25

If there's a team on the West that's competitive where they where they feel he's got a good role. I'm here in LA, Sean. What the hell did LA have to offer? I don't know. No, I would want the uh the defense one. Well, Brent Clark? Yeah. Which why would they do that? I know. I think I think LaFerriere would be is LaFer someone because someone mentioned possibly La Ferriere, which would be strange to have La Frenier and La Ferriere on the same team.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

It would drive Sam Rose and nuts, even from the couch.

SPEAKER_05 9:06

Uh LaFerriere and the first and something else. I I don't to me that. You turned down Charlie Strammel a first and then well the difference between La Ferriere and Strammel is LaFerrier is playing. There's another wing understand what he is. That's another wing. I thought he was a center. No, LaFerrier is a wing. Is he?

SPEAKER_06 9:26

I thought he was a center. Okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

Not that we need to get a center back, but if you're gonna take a wing, then it's gotta be a higher profile guy than LaFerrier.

SPEAKER_05 9:35

I again, I don't, I don't the uh nobody seems to have it uh have a full full grasp on who's even interested in him now. No, we know Minnesota now with with Larkin looming, so you know, possibly they're gonna take whatever prospects they have left and they're gonna throw them all at Detroit to get Larkin. Minnesota does not have the prospects to get either one of these guys. Well, I mean Minnesota's out. Do they they don't? I mean, if they trade Europe, if they if they trade Europe, they trade Rammel, they trade their next round first round pick next year, and then another piece, whether it's one of the young defensemen they have, it's they don't have a young defenseman worth getting a lot of traded boy a lot lett Lambos. What the hell his name is 23 years old already, 23 years old. That's not a that's no longer a that's no longer a blue chip prospect.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

Zev Boyam was their blue chip prospect. They traded him for Quinn Hughes. That was that was the guy.

SPEAKER_05 10:30

Okay, they trade they look and to and listen to Bill Garren's credit, he blew his load to bring in the number one or number two defenseman in the league. That's when you do it, that's when you blow your load to get that guy because you can't get that guy normally, and whether they can resign him or not, you know, that that becomes a new challenge. But the Rangers already turned down the best of what Minnesota had to offer. So when you see reports now that Minnesota's no longer in on Troch, yeah, it's because they could jury's already told him you don't have what I want. Well, no, no, no, no. They did not offer Europe from from when I don't know whether they did or didn't. Well, from my understanding, if you should not be the determining factor on whether you trade Trochek to Minnesota or not. He's not, I don't I mean you may differ on what we view him as. I don't know. I thought he was I don't view him as a needle mover. Well, uh well, what would he let so let me be honest with you? Yeah, who who does Matthew Nice would you trade him to Toronto for Matthew Nice? Yes. Okay, you think he's more of a needle mover? Yes, you're off. I think Matthew Nice he has a bigger sample size to be fair. I mean, you're on I also just think that he's I think that he checks every box of because again, I have to separate myself from how I want to build the Rangers to how the person in charge wants to build the Rangers. Matthew Nyes is what we all hope Will Cooley would be one day. Matthew Nice was already there and he's 24 years old or 23 years old, however old. You don't even want to hear what what Toronto wants. Have you heard that? Yeah, but they're they're asking. Have you heard the what they're yes? They want Anton, they want Anton Londell. Top 10 draft pick. Yeah. Uh prospect, uh, uh, uh, an intro ready prospect, and then another piece. But those are the fans, it's not the team. Uh well, this is coming from that's not Daniel Shaker. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 12:30

That's coming from that's coming from like out of Toronto, from whether it's Drager or one of those guys.

SPEAKER_05 12:37

I I'll I'll find I'll try to find it. I'll send it to you.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

No one's paying that type of price for a wing. So as much as I want Matthew Nyes, and as much as Chicago might want Matthew Nyes, I could put Chicago on Matthew Nice.

SPEAKER_05 12:50

Put him with Bedard, be a per it'd be a perfect home.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

You put you put Bedard with Stenberg and Nice as his best.

SPEAKER_05 12:58

I mean, well, that that could be where it's coming from, then because that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. I I mean to me, that sounds very high for a guy. I mean, I know he put up decent points last year. I did he have what did he what did he have point with? I think he had 60 something points. I like him. I do. I I I trade for him tomorrow. But I think and I think he still has room to grow, but he does everything and he hits and he plays, he defends. He listened he it's it's puzzling to me why Toronto would would trade him in the first place.

SPEAKER_06 13:29

When the season starts, uh point he had 66 points last year. 66 points on a bad team, minus 30, but again, on a bad team.

SPEAKER_05 13:39

Bad team is minus 30.

SPEAKER_06 13:40

That was his first that and and previous to that, he was a plus player.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

Yeah, John Tavares is a hell of a player. He was minus 28. He had 29 goals a year before. Yeah. I mean Nice is a hell of a player. I I mean I'm taking him, but I'm wondering if you trade Tro. I don't know if they take, I don't know if they do that. I think it all depends on what would you trade Trochek and Schneider fan? Or is that no because the package here's the thing the I have to look at it this way the package that I will get back from Trochek from another team probably outweighs what Nice would get from another team. So why would I give up more? I don't think they do that. Unless Drury just totally covets the guy, which we which we haven't heard any rumors he does. Have you heard anything from Drury though? No, but that's the beauty of it. Let's be fair. I mean you and I have sat here as Ranger fans for you know close to 35 years, you know, even maybe a little bit more on on either either side. On your side, you know more than we have no i for the first time because you know why we don't know because the beat riders don't fucking know. Yeah, they have no clue, none, no clue. You know, if if it was ever a time where we miss Larry Brooks, I mean this is the first our first offseason without him. Yep, we have no idea what's going on, zero, completely in the dark, flying blind, encrypted messages from Kevin Weeks. We got you know, uh, you know, possibilities and hypotheticals, and you know, I didn't read the Molly thing about possibly recruiting McDavid.

SPEAKER_06 15:29

Did you see that about trying to recruit McDavid? I I didn't read the article, I we can get into that later.

SPEAKER_05 15:35

I saw an article and I didn't see who it was by, but it said basically the Rangers need to be ready to pounce, right? Which which we all agree with. Yeah, we'd all agree with. And I I said this, we talked about this last summer. I was like, I think they should try to just work around the periphery, not spend stupid, not make stupid decisions, not give big contracts out to stupid players, and just kind of build the infrastructure, and maybe maybe somebody pops free. It happens all the time. I could pops free, somebody always pops free, right? Who wants out? But if you don't have a strong team and a strong core around him, then they want to come here.

Needle Movers, McDavid, Real Contenders

SPEAKER_05 16:13

And I'm sorry, like without with with without saying mc david or matthews or does I mean this does Dylan Larkin really excite? No, he's not a needle mover. Is even Jason Robertson, is Jason Robertson a needle mover? No, he's not. He's a nice player on an on a good team.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

He's a perfect complement to a team that's ready to go, right?

SPEAKER_05 16:33

Even Brady. Now, Brady adds a different element where you know people can kind of he has certain intangibles, but again, he does not make you a he does not even make you a playoff team. You put McDavid, plop McDavid into this lineup is presently constituted without making any moves, just keeping the team exact. It's a playoff team, correct? Right? You plop any other player with the exception of McKinnon, or you want to throw one of the top five.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

I think Kachuk has more of an impact than you're giving him credit for, but but I but we don't become a cup contender tomorrow because of Kachark. We do because of McDavid.

SPEAKER_06 17:11

Correct.

SPEAKER_05 17:12

So the bigger question becomes, and and it's and the reason I ask so Toronto has a totally new GM, a totally new president, a totally new coach. Everything in Toronto is completely new, right? Everybody who's on Toronto's roster, other than whoever they just acquired for Joseph Wall, wasn't crushed them for that trade, too. Wasn't acquired by the new regime.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

The new regime has the number one the number they have the number one overall pick. They're dangling Matthew Nice.

SPEAKER_05 17:44

Austin Matthews has said essentially, let's see what they do before I decide to commit to playing here long term. Is this new regime gonna rebuild? And and look to offload Matthews and Well again, take a step back. It's I get I get the reaction to take a step back. Okay, they have the first overall pick. Uh-huh. Let's say hypothetical, they trade Matthew Nice to Chicago for the fourth overall pick. So now they're bringing McKenna to be the new franchise player. Uh-huh. They're going to draft the top defenseman in the draft, which is something that Toronto has not had. Right. You're probably not going to be the best team next year. So a year next year that has four next year's draft has four guys in it, that would be the number one overall pick this year. I know it's sucks. It sucks. I get it. I get it. I mean, we heard this was the draft, right? Sean next year's 26 draft. How many times we heard oh nobody's trading? Nobody's trading the 26th pick. It was a McKenna driven. It was all and then so they're getting a McKenna. Oh okay. But that was that was why it was all McKenna.

SPEAKER_06 19:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:02

Next, and I don't want to get into next year's draft yet, but I'm just I'm just thinking if if I'm the new GM coming in, I'm Daniel Chaker, and I'm thinking about how the NHL and sports in general, how it operates year to year, when in when a new regime comes in, it's look at Drury. Look at what well Drury stepped in and had you know what 16 out of the 18 spots filled by Gordon guys. And it won right away. Wasn't supposed to, but they did. They got to any for the Eastern Conference final year one. He couldn't break it up. So even if he wanted to, when he took the job and spoke to Dolan and said, listen, I like this, but I don't like that, and that this, that, blah blah blah. Yeah, they won right away. And there's no way to tell your owner who you just got through six games of the Eastern Conference finals, I'm getting rid of everybody. He lets Strome go, he brings in Trochek. They struggle against against the Devil series, the fire the coach, bring in La Violette back to the Eastern Conference finals all over again. Lose to a better Florida team who won the cup. Now Jury can go to Dole and say, listen, I'm done with Gorton's guys. I need to build this team the way that I want to build it. Get rid of Goudreau, who he brought in actually, gets rid of Truba, who he gave a captaincy to, has to re-sign Igor. And now he's trying to build a team in his way. Now Daniel Cheeker takes over Toronto, who's built by Shanahan and whoever else was the G uh Brett Trey Living was under him for a bit. Blue, all these other guys. Nobody on this roster is a Daniel Checker guy. So when Cheeker got hired for this job, did he go to management and say this core's rotten? I get that Matthews is here and Neilander's here, and Tavares. Listen, we're never gonna trade Tavares because he's playing for fucking three million dollars or four million dollars, whatever the fuck it is.

SPEAKER_06 21:10

Yeah, he's making nothing.

SPEAKER_05 21:12

He's making nothing, and he's a great ambassador for the team and this and that. But let's move on. Let's see what we get from Matthews. We have the number one overall pick. We can trade dives and get the fourth overall pick. Let's see what we get from Matthews, whether it's picks next year, someone else's 20-year-old, blah blah blah.

Toronto Pivot Talk And Matthews Dreams

SPEAKER_05 21:34

You can rebuild that whole Toronto team right away with what they have. So you don't we don't know. So my point is they have number one. They trade nice for number four. What if Matthews is available for five? Schneider, Lafreniere, next year's first. I'm and I'm just throwing that out there. Wow. But you see what I'm saying? Like, look at how quickly Toronto can pivot and build their team. I mean, would you say no to that?

SPEAKER_06 22:13

I know it's a lot. It's a lot. But it's Austin Matthews. It's Austin Matthews.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

I think at this point is if they're not gonna if they're not gonna completely tear it down, I think you gotta be fucking bold. I do too. I think you just gotta for throw all your chips in the middle and say, okay. But that is putting your chips in the middle, no? That that yeah, that's that's essentially yeah. You replace La Fernier. I mean, I would personally try to avoid giving up the fifth overall pick because only for the fact that your your your prospect pool is so you can fifth overall pick but but you have no depth, Sean. You have nothing. This team needs to you paid your goalie 12 million dollars a year. I know you paid Fox nine million dollars a year, you're paying Miller and Zabanajad three more years or four more years. 16 and a half million, right? If you're not built to win right now, what are you doing? I know, I know. I guess you would, I guess, I guess you would have to. I mean, but in in in all things being equal, who you take who would you you rather have mc david over over Matthews, right? Yes, I would, but okay, do I do I do I sacri listen if a Matthews deal is on the table? I can't say no to it for the hope. Do you really think? I mean, let's let's just call I it it's a great idea in theory. It's a this is all theoretical, and I'm not oh no, I know that, yeah, but I'm telling you, based off of just what I've heard and what I they are not blowing that Toronto team up. That GM is on on thin ice. So why are they trading nice? I don't know. Why would you trade a 23-year-old who put up 67 points last year? Nobody, and you know what? Frank Ceravelli said it on his show. I've heard it in other places. Why you why are you trading him? Why are you even exploring it? But that's but that tells you everything. The fact that it's even being talked about shows you that that maybe they just want to see what they can get for him. I mean, how many times has La Fournier been out there, you know, over the years? How many times has Kacko been out there? I think this is a little different. Has a lot of guys been on the on the on the trading block and don't get traded. La Fournier was talked about being traded because he was disappointing people. Nice is coming off a great year. Yeah, I don't know. He disappointed nobody. I don't know. Maybe they think that maybe they think long term he doesn't want to stay there. I don't know. He's got three more three or four more years of control. I know he signed the long-term deal. Did he? I thought he was uh restrictive for RFA.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

Matthew Nice contract.

SPEAKER_06 24:50

I don't know. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 24:52

He signed a six-year deal.

SPEAKER_06 24:54

Oh, did he? But what's he making? What's he making?

SPEAKER_05 24:56

Just curiously 7.7.

SPEAKER_06 25:01

Wow. Well, maybe they signed it worth that money.

SPEAKER_05 25:03

Maybe 2031.

SPEAKER_06 25:06

Listen, you and I have both sat here. We've seen there are GMs that like certain guys.

SPEAKER_05 25:11

They're GMs like Sayther came in, he couldn't get rid of Matthew Schneider fast enough. Matthew Schneider went on to play 10 more years in the league. I mean, there that's just there's just guys that peep players and and coaches. Kreider was a was a Vignot guy, Miller wasn't. Miller was a torts guy, Kreider wasn't. I mean, they're just guys that team. I we we've seen we we've we've definitely seen Sullivan's not an Edstrom guy, right? Right. So you're talking bottom bottom of the ring players. But Miller and Miller and Kreider weren't. I mean, they were young, young guys. I mean, you know, Matthew Schneider was a veteran, you know, and that and say that couldn't even just give him way. Did he didn't even bother? Yeah, just let him walk. I so and then Snyder went on to play 10 more years in the league, right? And productively 10 more years in the league.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

Yeah, he went to Detroit, right?

SPEAKER_05 26:00

So I mean, it you don't necessarily know they just got GMs have certain guys they like and certain guys they don't like. Say, they walked in. He didn't like John McClain. He's like you couldn't get rid of him fast enough. I agree. I'm just saying there are just guys that GMs just are not a fan of. When they take over a team, I guess maybe maybe Nice is not a guy that they feel deems is worth the money at this point in his career. Maybe there's things about maybe off ice stuff. Who knows? But I that to me, that's an that's a red flag, though, too. Sometimes you're like, well, why is this guy available? He's coming off of uh what do you have 66 points this year? On a bad team, on a bad team at 23 years old. I don't know. It's mind-blowing to me, but but again, look at what the evidence is, and and we'll know a lot more based on what they trade him for. If they trade, in other words, do they make a hockey trade? Do they trade him for Jason Robertson or something like that? You know, that's a hockey trade. Wow, that's that would, I'll tell you that would be a retrade, right? But that's what I'm saying. So if they make a hockey trade out of this, right, then all right, they're they're keeping Matthews. But if they trade him for if they trade him to Chicago for the fourth overall pick, plus but I mean, let's be fair. But that's a rebuilding move. Maybe, maybe Toronto realizes they need a fucking goalie and they need a free, they need defensemen. I mean, how many wingers at seven and a half million? How many seven million dollar wingers do they could they possibly have? They're on them, they let Marner go. So it's just Neil.

SPEAKER_06 27:32

Well, just Neilander and uh what's it Matthews and Matthews and Taveras is playing the wing now.

SPEAKER_05 27:36

Taveras makes four million, he's no longer one of the big money guys. I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to make sense of it because I don't understand it. I think it makes sense to me if you're trying to rebuild. It only makes sense to me if you're trying to rebuild.

SPEAKER_06 27:53

Yeah, I don't I don't know manless unless Matthews, unless they're gauging.

SPEAKER_05 27:57

Maybe Matthew says, Listen, I don't care if McKenna's coming. I want out, right? I want to run out of this market. I want out of this market, and listen, he can come to New York, he can come to the Rangers, and the Ranger fans are tough, but the New York area isn't.

SPEAKER_06 28:15

I mean, you he could walk around Manhattan and nobody would know he could walk who he was as as high profile as he is.

SPEAKER_05 28:22

I was in, I and I told this story. I was in Barney's and I saw Sean Avery walk around Barney's and nobody approached him. So, I mean, you can walk around Manhattan, you know, unless you're maybe Hank, maybe Hank is anyone else. Anyone else, you guys are hockey player? You can walk around in complete anonymity. No one knows who you are. Correct. Now, the fan base is tough, the fan base is ruthless. And and you and I've experienced that, and and we've been tough on guys, maybe not to the extent that they are with the basketball players and the and the football and baseball players, but it's tough to play here, and not everybody playing. We can definitely see by our the friend that that just moved down to North Carolina how easy it is to play in that market. Yep, because everyone leaves and goes to Carolina and becomes a star, no matter who it is. Brady Shakes stunk with the Rangers. He goes down there for them. He's a star. He played well, and he gets back, he gets a huge contract finance goal. According to what I understood, I didn't watch every game he played. We saw him in the 2022 fucking division division finals. He got walked how many times and turned the puck over at the blue line. How many times crucial penalty that led to our power play goal that won a game? I don't know. Brady Shea was exactly what we thought as uh what who was the uh the famous coach?

SPEAKER_03 29:47

Dennis Green. Uh he was who we thought we were.

SPEAKER_05 29:52

I don't know. I think I think if you can get Matthews and you have you give up what you have to give up, I guess I agree. But the problem is, Sean, this team is so barren. You can you get bringing Matthews, who's still yes, you trade La Fronnier, you just made another hole. You sign Tuck because now you're going for it. So now you sign the veteran. And Matthews is now cost controlled for two more years. He's on the contract for two more years. So you sign Tuck. I'm sure they're gonna try to swing for the fences. But think about it. Hold on. So think about this. You trade the fifth overall pick, right? Next year's first, you're competing. So who gives a shit about next year's first if you're if you're trying to compete? Right. Because if you're doing all this, you're thinking you're in the Eastern Conference finals or further. Otherwise, why would you do anything, right?

SPEAKER_06 30:38

Yeah, I mean, they can't.

SPEAKER_05 30:39

So seriously, but why you wouldn't you wouldn't do this trade unless that was the aspiration, right? So you forget about next year's first. Okay, so it's this year's fifth overall, next year's first.

SPEAKER_06 30:49

All right, but here's okay, but hear me out for a minute. Fine. I and I and I'm just you know finish. I'm I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna give you my opinion after you're done.

SPEAKER_05 30:58

Okay, go. Okay, so you replace La Fernier with Tuck. Uh-huh. Now you replace the wing. Uh-huh. Schneider, third pair defensemen on this team. You still need a top, you still need a top two left-handed defensemen. I agree with that. But they have 30 million. What are you getting that with? I'm saying they have 30 million in cap room. You go now if you're bringing Matthews, you don't have 30 million in cap.

SPEAKER_06 31:19

Are you keeping Trochik in then at that point?

SPEAKER_05 31:21

No, I'm trading Trochek. So you could trade Chochek for the left-handed, you could trade Trochek whether it's for Bo and Byron or for I don't think Byron's available right now.

SPEAKER_04 31:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:33

Say there's a lot of there's a lot of moving parts. I mean, I don't think. Listen, again, I don't trust this GM to do the right thing, Sean. I have no idea what he's gonna do. Knowing this ship, knowing this scared coward motherfucker, he is going to try to sign Tuck and he's just gonna he's gonna try to just throw money at problems instead of trying to be bold and do something fucking that's gonna push this team forward. Listen, I'm leaving this guy until he does it, and that's the way I'm gonna think I agree with and I agree with you, but I'm going not not that I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I think the I think what it is right now is so obvious to everybody, it has to also be obvious to him. Uh-huh. And just seeing what he's done to this point tells me he knows how obvious what needs to be done is is out there. It and you hear it from the rumblings that you hear from the and I don't know what's specific, but the Dreggers and the LeBrons and everybody in the circles talks about how the Rangers are primed to go make a move, to go make a bit to make a really big move. The question is, do they have the assets that all these other teams? They do. Oh, Lafreniere and Schneider?

SPEAKER_03 32:48

Are they they really assets Schneider fifth overall pick are assets, are big assets?

SPEAKER_05 32:53

I don't think they trade the fifth overall pick, but not not. I mean, I I mean I can't until they do right. There's no evidence to show that he would, but when you paid this much money for guys in their prime, what the fuck does the fifth overall pick do for them? I listen, I get it. I love Carson Carrolls and we're gonna get to the draft prospects later. I love Carson Carrolls. That is my guy. I pray to fuck that that's who they take at five. Uh, just so you know, Pramman thinks that they should take Schmitz. Fuck him. I'm just never I'm just telling you what I had heard, so so you know. I know I actually think, but the the the odds are forty. Yeah, I have I have Corey Pronman today released his seven-round dress. I saw that. I saw that has the Rangers taking Carson Carrolls at five.

SPEAKER_06 33:48

Oh, so he changed it. Yes, because he said it on added on Vince on Vince's podcast that they were gonna take Albert Schmitz.

SPEAKER_05 33:57

I think the Rangers would be highly interested in Malholtra if he got to five, but otherwise, they seem prime to take one of the big defensemen. Carrolls is the likely candidate, but I've heard I've heard Albert Schmitz a lot with them as well.

SPEAKER_06 34:12

Correct. So from what I understand, it's 40-40 on those two guys, and then 20 on whoever else is there. So it's gonna be I in from what I'm from the understanding is, and we'll talk more about the draft later, but I mean you're more of the draft guy right now.

SPEAKER_05 34:25

I mean, I'm trying to I'm trying to kind of learn as much as I can about this as quickly as I can. But again, I like again, I I don't know.

unknown 34:33

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 34:34

But that's but here's what I'm saying is I would love it if they drafted Carlos, but I would love it more if they traded the pick for someone that's legit.

SPEAKER_06 34:47

Yeah, legit, the only way you're trading five is if you're getting Austin Matthews.

SPEAKER_05 34:52

You are you trading you trading five? I would trade them for Kachuk. I would trade them for Kachuk. See here, all right. Let me get to Brady Chuck. But are you trading Brady with a five and what La Frenier?

SPEAKER_03 35:03

No, I'm not trading them both. Not if I'm trading five.

SPEAKER_06 35:05

Uh I don't think you're getting them.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

I would trade five and Schneider.

SPEAKER_05 35:08

I wouldn't trade five and La Frenier. Because if I'm getting Kachuk, then I need that I still need to keep right. That's the five from yeah, that's the problem. But it might not be the problem, depending on what Ottawa wants to win. I don't think I don't think trading Brady for futures is is all the way they're gonna go. Brady holds all the bringing holds all the chips. He has what makes La Frenier attractive to Ottawa is he's under contract. I mean, that's why guys don't stay there because you know they can't keep guys there. But then if but then if that's the trade I'm making, I'm trading 26 in La Frenier. And I'm keeping five.

SPEAKER_06 35:44

I don't know. I don't I don't think I don't think that moves the needle enough for them.

SPEAKER_05 35:49

Again, Brady, Brady's a nice pick piece to a to it all to an already great team. I mean, I still think you need that. I think what Brady does, or what Brady Brady does do, Sean, is it maybe gets Matthew's mind moving, where you know, maybe that would be um the Rangers are nowhere type

Leadership, Truba Exit, Brady Tkachuk Fit

SPEAKER_05 36:08

of situation. What Brady does, what they tried to do when they brought in Miller, which was change the locker room, right? Yeah, the listen, true, I don't want to shit on true but I I honestly I appreciate Truber either. Me too. I appreciate him. I I he put a I he put a lot of effort into trying to be the best leader he could for that team. Right. And how it ended is sad. But 20 years from now, when I think about Jacob Truba, I'll think more about him throwing the helmet and him getting that turning that team around into the best regular season team it could be, right? And getting two wins away from the Stanley Cup final. I will think that I will think highly of Truba the further and further we get away from how he handled the trade rumors. Like that was two months out of a out of five out of five or six years.

SPEAKER_06 37:04

I think I think what the problem with the Rangers was was his playoff performances were were his his egregiousness and on a lot of plays, the the two penalties and you know against Tampa in what was it game game three short-handed goal, which was the only goal in game three.

SPEAKER_05 37:25

Uh, and then uh and then the Florida series, he wasn't great. He was playing hurt. Problem is is our these players, you know, if you're if you're if you're you're hurting the team to the point where but how do you tell your captain not play? Right. Like how do you how do you say listen, you're just not you're not you're you're hurting us, you're not helping us. I didn't want to get off topic, but I'm gonna go to the house. Well, but the point with Truba was that there were other things, but I don't think of him other than I thought he was a I thought he was a good ranger.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

Yeah, I thought he was a good ranger.

SPEAKER_05 37:59

I thought he cried, I thought he cared, which we've we've complained about things, but but but the direction that jury clearly wanted to go with when he troop is gone. I'm bringing in my guy and JT Miller, who I'm gonna name captain. Okay, he acquired him, he's he knew that's my guy who's gonna leave this room. You bring in Brady Kachuk, it like reinforces uh everything. It it's JT Miller on steroids as far as uh what that room is gonna be like. So now you got Miller who's the veteran uh leader who's gonna who's gonna who brings what he brings. And now you got like the megaphone you're gonna hand to him, which is Brady Kachuk. Yeah, and I know some Ranger fans are like, oh, Brady Kachuk gets into fights that are meaningless and does this and does that. That Ottawa team is a rudderless ship, and that's part of the problem, is Kachuk by himself being the only one who's pulling in a certain direction, doesn't have that team where it needed to be. But we've also complained about this team for years that they don't have enough pricks, right? Enough assholes on this team. They need a bunch of assholes. And we had Sam Carrick, and yeah, you know, we got what we could for him, and I thought that was a shrewd trade. I mean, I'm I'm for what they for what he bought as a third-round pick for a guy that he signed off the scrap heap for the most part, who's on it. You find Sam Carrick all over the league. Correct. So they don't have, I mean, we don't know what's going on with Rempi. I mean, we think we think maybe Sakor and Himalach could be maybe be something, but I still think you need those guy or two like that in your top six. You know, and then down the road, Miller might turn out to be your third line center at some point, which is which he seems fine with. He's moving into that point of his career. And you know what? If you have JT Miller on a cup team as your third line center, I mean that's I I don't I think they're I I don't, and especially the money he's making, he's still gonna be serviceable in three years, and and the money's not gonna mean as much. The problem is the Rangers don't have anyone at the top end, they don't have one, they don't have a number one or a number two star on this team up front, right? You have a three and a four. Well, that's why that's why they gotta kill them with depth and goaltending. Carolina doesn't have a number one. Sebastianaho is no more of a number one than Zabanajad is on his best day, right? But the teams they beat. I get it, I get it. Dude, I won thousand. I'm I'm with you, but that's what the play in the third, in the third Montreal, Montreal team. Montreal has a few good players, a few good stars, but not a number one. Nick Suzuki's not a number one. No, they don't have a lot of yeah, but you know, the East. I get that Barkov being hurt, Sean.

SPEAKER_06 40:57

I mean, think about it.

SPEAKER_05 40:58

With Barkov being hurt, Tampa Bay has point, you know, and Kucharov.

SPEAKER_06 41:03

I mean, who else? I mean, who I'm trying to think who else is in the playoffs this year. I can't even Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Crosby, but he's on the team.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

It's Matthew Toronto if he stays there.

SPEAKER_06 41:14

But I'm just talking about got teams that made the playoffs this year.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

The teams that made the playoffs, who was the of the eight teams that made the playoffs, who was the best player in the playoffs? Kucharov. Kuchrov from the heart. Yeah, probably Kucharov. All right, who was next? Who was number two? You have to really think about it now. Yeah, right. Pasternock was in the playoffs. I mean, Buffalo. I mean, we we both love Tage Thompson. I would, I would, I think he's fantastic. I think he's one of my favorite players to watch. Yeah, I agree. But they're not, but they don't really have a a star easy. What did I say going into this past season? I said I predicted all this shit where I said it's going the metro is wide, the whole conference is wide open, that everyone is you you just had to be decent. And I I I swear by this, the Ranger team that we saw after the Olympics had that team again, they were 20 points behind everybody, but had that team entered. They weren't happy. We saw we saw we saw the New Orleans Saints one year make the playoffs at seven and nine. That happened. And they won their first and they won their playoff game, which is hilarious. They weren't healthy this year. Let's just say what it was. I get that, but I'm saying the Ranger team that finished the season. If that team entered the playoffs as an eight seed, I still contend that that team would have made a run. That they still had Igor net. The D had it figured out. And they're playing Carolina the first round. That team can't beat us. This year's Carolina team. You take nothing. Listen, I'll let me get this out of the way first. They won the cup, right? Congratulations. Right. You don't give it back. I don't these assholes in any sport to say, oh, there's an asterisk. There's no such thing as an asterisk. You won. Even Roger Myers off it. God bless you. But we could also, as evaluators, realize they beat nobody. Nobody. The three teams that they while the Western Conference teams killed each other. The three teams that they beat to get to the Stanley Cup Finals have zero combined series wins as their cores that are there. The last team out of the three teams that they played that to have a to have a playoff win was the Canadians in the bubble when they went to the Stanley Cup Finals.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

And they

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Have two players left over from that team and added Philip Deneau at the trade deadline. Right. That's it. So it's not the same team. No, they played zero teams with any playoff pedigree or experience.

SPEAKER_06 44:14

Who they get Montreal's gonna be good. It will be. It will be good. Yeah, you look you will buffalo. Listen, the Knicks just won it.

SPEAKER_05 44:21

The Knicks just won a championship against a team that's gonna win three or four championships in the next 10 years. Those guys are fucking too young, but they're awesome. You're right, and and I think I think that's the biggest thing that that's that's the one thing you kind of hold your hat on, where in the event that they could go out and and improve, where you can maybe say to yourself, you know, a healthy, a healthy Miller, you know, a healthy Fox, Igor healthy, with everybody kind of pulling the same way.

SPEAKER_06 44:57

Right. Um, you know, maybe Perot takes another step. And I think that's really the gonna be the biggest challenge is that I said we talked about this on the show the other, you know, at the beginning of the week. The biggest problem with the Rangers was they needed their young players to take a step forward and they didn't do it. Offman didn't do it, Berard didn't do it, Perot didn't do it till the second half of the season.

SPEAKER_05 45:16

I mean, they need, I mean, Lava Lava did everything he could. I mean, I think he he he gave you more than what you expected, but Cooley really wasn't good. He's 20. I can't I can't put any fault on him. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying that he didn't come out of training camp with guns ablazing. He didn't step in, he didn't pull the Daniel Gano and and and score six eight goals in his first eight games, right? Like he didn't do enough to even make the roster. I get it. He he did the opportunity was there that they had to bring in Connor Shiri, who beat them all out right with one goal or two goals in the preseason. So my point was that my point was was that they're young players compared to you know a Carolina where Jason Blake and and all these other guys, like Stan Coven and all these other guys are taking these steps where the Rangers young players. I mean, I know Barard was a third or fourth round pick, but Othman was a first round pick, fifth round pick, sorry. But button's a waste and he's gone. I'm just saying, Sean, they went into this season hoping these guys would take the next step. They left roster spots open for these guys, and they didn't seize the moment where players on other teams, other young players, have stepped up and and helped their team to that next level. I mean, that's the problem. I mean, that I mean that's been the major problem is, and if we again, if we're being honest, the Rangers with two points out of a playoff spot after the winter classic when Fox and Igor got hurt. Well, that's another thing. If Fox and Igor don't get hurt, they're not where they are, but I still don't think they make the playoffs. This team most likely made the playoffs. I I think this team most likely would have made the playoffs. I don't know. I mean, maybe. I mean, they the hole they dug. If well, they didn't well, they wouldn't have dug the hole. That's my point. They definitely wouldn't have dug in that hole, but I mean, I I always wonder the question is would Sullivan party Spencer Martin was on purpose. Would Sullivan lose games? I think they did on, I think they did that on purpose. The point is, would Sullivan have still played Hemilash? Would he still have put would they still have traded Panarin? So here's the thing no, every answer is a no to all of them. If they were in a playoff spot, they wouldn't have traded Panarin, he would have been their rental. I agree, I 1000% agree with that. No, I I agree. So they wouldn't have done anything, they would have kept everybody. Carson Susi would still be here.

SPEAKER_03 47:40

I think Susie would have moved.

SPEAKER_05 47:42

I don't know. But I think they would have made other moves at the deadline to replace him with someone more long term.

SPEAKER_06 47:47

Uh yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_05 47:50

I mean, I I don't uh they used these injuries as the excuse to reach to mail it in.

SPEAKER_06 47:59

Well, and also they also had lost how many games in a row at that point.

SPEAKER_05 48:02

But that was because Spencer Martin and Jonathan quicker. I'm just saying put a 40-year-old out there to play three nights a week. That's what happens.

SPEAKER_06 48:08

I know. I feel that's quick. I'll tell you, of all the moves he made, I mean all the moves that Drury's made, that's probably the second best move he's made. I got it. I mean, everyone else is freaking and the 22 deadline.

SPEAKER_05 48:21

You gotta give him credit.

SPEAKER_06 48:22

Well, I'll give him I'll give him the deadline. The deadlines are what they are. You're trading, you're you're trading picks, but I mean, I think you you're you're uh the the other thing too, and I thought Eric Gustafson for what for what he was decent signing.

SPEAKER_05 48:34

I mean, but again, give me the trade that moved this team forward, and and until I see that move, I think until I mean, was it is it fair to say that until Gordon traded um you know uh Bursard for Zabinijad until that trade was made. I mean, do you what could you think that was his first signature trade? That was his first one. Of course it was.

SPEAKER_03 49:03

That was the offseason.

SPEAKER_05 49:04

I think Emerson Eatham was for for uh that was that was not him.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

That was Sadher.

SPEAKER_06 49:11

That was his first trade. Wow, wow. I thought it was a season out, I thought it was a season after. No, but that would make sense.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

Haglin traded for Emerson Eatham was was still Seder. Say so he took over for Sader in the summer of 15. Is that right? So so Gorton took over after the Pittsburgh series. So Haglin was already gone by then. Okay. I thought that was Hank throwing the net off.

SPEAKER_06 49:38

I thought that was the same offseason. I thought it was Talbot.

SPEAKER_05 49:41

No, we didn't have the we didn't have the Benejad that offseason. So Benejad's first season with the Rangers was the year we we went, we beat Ottawa. I'm sorry, we beat Montreal last season. That's right, that's right, that's right. Because that that that was so that was the Pittsburgh series, that was Eric Stall.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

Right.

SPEAKER_05 49:57

So that was 16, 15, 16. Right.

SPEAKER_06 50:01

But that was, I think that was, I think Eric Stall was a Gordon trade. No, I'm pretty sure, Sean. Look that one up.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

Look it up.

SPEAKER_06 50:11

I think 15. I think I think that was a Gordon trade. I think Eric Stall was a Gordon trade. Because then the next year they played in 17. That was that was when they played Montreal and then they played um uh what's it called? Uh 17. They played Montreal and they played um I blanket, Ottawa.

SPEAKER_04 50:40

Which year?

SPEAKER_06 50:41

17 17th.

SPEAKER_05 50:42

Yeah, they beat Montreal. They beat Montreal. Right. They played Ottawa. And they played Ottawa. Tanner Glass series. Correct.

SPEAKER_06 50:50

I was I watched that game from a bar. So did I. Was it uh Hudson Street?

SPEAKER_03 50:57

No, I was at uh Studio Square. Oh, okay. In uh Long Island.

SPEAKER_06 51:02

I think we were in Manhattan. We went we had you are correct.

SPEAKER_04 51:06

Time of the trade, Ron Francis with the GM of the Hurricanes, Jeff Gordon, the GM of the Rangers, then Eric Stall directly to New York.

SPEAKER_05 51:12

So then that so that so that so that offseason prior, see, Sayther took over. I think Sadher still made trades through the draft. And I think Jeff Gordon took over July 1st, if I remember correctly.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

Rangers.

SPEAKER_05 51:28

I think the the the the free agent signing period was Jeff Gordon, but the trade, but the draft was Sadher. So the Emerson Edom trade is on Sadher. And I think I think Talbot's on Sadher. But everything after that, I believe, is um is Jeff Gordon from July 1st on of 15.

SPEAKER_06 51:50

Am I right?

SPEAKER_04 51:53

Am I right? This is giving me all right, so Jeff Gordon's first move.

SPEAKER_06 51:59

That was 15, it was the Tampa series. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. And I think it was Yand. No, Yandel was a was a trade deadline.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

So all right, so this this site's wrong then, because it's giving me 2018 is the first, and that's not true. No, that's the NHL trade tracker that we all use. Yeah. So that can't be correct. Um Jeff Gordon. So Puckpedia has Jeff Gordon General Manager. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:31

I listen, I I think I think Jeff Gordon did a great job trade manager.

SPEAKER_04 52:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 52:37

I did.

SPEAKER_06 52:38

So what was his first trade? Was it Brasard?

SPEAKER_04 52:42

Yeah, they have 2018 also. That doesn't this is Puckpedia.

SPEAKER_06 52:45

Wow. Well, maybe that's when the site started. You're going back, you're going back.

SPEAKER_04 52:50

You're going back to 2018. So yet they show 2016 picks being under him.

SPEAKER_05 52:58

That doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_03 53:02

Uh signing trades before 2018 may be incomplete. All right, so it's saying that already. All right. All right.

SPEAKER_05 53:10

But yeah, anyway, the Eric Stahl trade was a Jeff Corton move. Yeah, the point, the point was is that, you know, I I need to I again I don't want to keep saying the same thing, but like I've told friends and I told you, uh, I'm I'm equally excited as I am scared because I just don't this guy just does not have a track record for me to say, okay, he he's known to do this, he's known to do that. We have no idea what this guy's gonna do. Right. Zero. And you know, he's here five years, Sean. And and to me, it that's a little bit scary to me. As as a as a as a fan of it as of my favorite team, to have a general manager where you have no idea what he's gonna do, to the point where you know he could do nothing. Yeah, he could literally do nothing. He can run this team right back the way it was, do nothing through the draft, high tie some free agencies on on the periphery. I mean, we've seen him do nothing, we've seen him not trade Libor Hype, we've seen him not trade Zach.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

Yeah, I don't get that this is the offseason for him to do nothing.

SPEAKER_05 54:15

How should there's nothing there? You despise the guy a lot more than I do. I hate how surprised would you be hate him if he did nothing this offseason? Even you, a hater of his. Oh, you'd be floored. I'd be I would be shocked, but I wouldn't be surprised. Or I'd be surprised, I wouldn't be shocked. Let me rephrase that. I mean, I think Trochik's gonna get traded, but I don't think Brady Schneider don't slam dunk that Brady Schneider gets traded. I don't think he's a slam dunk. Well, why would you trade him unless you're getting I'm just saying there are people out there that think that they're both gone? So I don't think he's gone. I think he's I think they want to see what they can get for him, and that's the right thing to do. I I'm not just trading a 24-year-old right-hander shot defenseman who's played 20 minutes a night for the last three years to move from 27 to 20. Right, I'm not doing that. Well, I think I think the biggest thing real quick.

SPEAKER_06 55:11

Oh, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_05 55:11

And this is not an attack on you. Like, I I know I commented for you on it. Um, for people who were pissed off, somehow pissed off after San Jose traded to get um Kesselrig. Kesselrig, right? That's pronounced I'm pronouncing it right Kesselrig from uh Buffalo and traded the 20th pick back to 27 in order to obtain Kesselrig. If Gorton had uh Gorton, if Drury had traded the 26th pick and Schneider to move up from 26 to 20, I would be so far past you would it would be the Schneider's better than Kesselring, right? I agree with that, but they're both profiling as the same similar type of player, a right-handed shot, bigger physical defensive defenseman. What I think I think the problem is I'd be furious. I think I think I think this has comes down to Drury miss. I I I think people this comes down to people just not trusting Chris Drury. Now, I don't think it's a good trade. I don't think it's a good trade. I think San Jose got the better of it. I think Buffalo got stupid. Not surprising. I'm I'm not surprised that that organization makes another dumb fucking trade, another GM making another stupid trade for whatever. I know what the rush was to get rid of that guy, but they felt the need they had to get rid of him. But I literally saw people sit there and type on Twitter and on Facebook. You know what it is for Sean? Somehow, somehow shitting on Chris Drury for this trade going through. Oh, how come Drury couldn't pull this off trade off? It's a it's a it was a team that was interested in Schneider that is no probably and maybe they view Kessel Rick as their third pairing defenseman and would still be interested in Schneider as a second pair. I get it. I just think I just think it comes down to Drury. Drury just not just not doing the right thing, always feeling like him. He's making but it had nothing to do with that. This is this is literally one of those few times, even if you're a hater of his to leave him out of it. I get it. I I understand where you're coming from, unless there's anything out there from my fan from the what the fan base as a broad is saying, whatever they wanted, whatever the whatever San Jose was offering for Schneider was obviously not good enough. Wasn't moving up seven picks. Well, no, obviously. So I um I'm more mad at Buffalo for making a stupid trade. That's more mad at Buffalo doing something stupid like this, and all that does is shoot us in the foot. But who knows? Maybe maybe the trade to been made was at the trade deadline, and then Dre fucked it up and didn't didn't make the trade then. But unless we don't know that, unless as a Ranger fan, you're sitting there saying I would have traded Schneider and 26 to move up to 20. I know, unless that's you, shut up. Right, you're right. I just I just think it comes down to them dispensably just not trusting this guy. And I don't trust them, and that's warranted. That's fine. That's what it comes down to. I'm optimistic, and that's fine. That's fine. And people who are pessimistic, that's fine too. I just I could all be curious what what what is it that he's done that you would say that you trust this guy to make the right decisions? I I still like that. I like that he pivoted.

Drury Track Record And The Buchnevich Debate

SPEAKER_05 58:40

I like I see the the big picture and what he's trying to do was we lost to Florida and he realized that the Panarin-led team was never going to win a cup. Okay, so you talk about and I listen, I'm a season ticket holder who financially would just love if this team made the playoffs every year. Right. That's one part of me. But as a fan who wants to see this team win a cup, I give kudos to the hard decision that he made to realize this team is not gonna win a cup. That 24 team, as good as they were in the regular season, and as good as they were getting up to Florida. Okay, so I'm gonna ask you this question. Sure. When did you think he realized? So you thought you thought up until they couldn't be Florida that they were good enough, he thought they were good enough, they were gonna win a championship. I I don't think he was ever a Panarin guy. Okay, fine, ever. So then why don't you give up what you needed to give up to get Eichel? He Eichel's a different story. He tried. He tried. We've we've been over this a thousand times with Eichel. That owner wasn't trading here.

SPEAKER_06 59:56

I'm only that up, I'm only bringing it up because he felt that jury could put it to you this way.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:01

Jury could have offered the next 10 first-round picks to Buffalo, and the owner would have said no. I can't wait for the book. We're gonna find out one day when we've heard it, we've heard it from reliable people. Pagula would not trade Eichel to the New York Rangers, he would not trade him in the state, he would not trade into his MSG partner, television partner. Wasn't happening. So, again, the Rangers could have offered 10 first-round picks, and Pagula would have turned the trade down. I guess. So it's again always always a bridesmaid, never a bride. But it has nothing, but you can't fault the guy when the owner of the other team steps in and says, I will not trade him to you no matter what. I just I just said that um he held off, and we know this is true because he held off on the thought the trade was going through you. Why did you trade Bucnevich before you had you knew that the ink was dry? Why was the rush to trade Bucnevich? He because he wanted to take one run with having Zabanajad and Eichel. He was not gonna, he wasn't resigning uh Zabanajad if I wasn't without a why, but that's his fault for not make jury's fault for trading Bucnevich before the ink was dry on a Eichel trade. You didn't need to trade Bucnevich at that point, though. Again, Buchnevich was not a 75-point player with the Rangers, he was a 50-point player with the Rangers. And if, and I said this at the time, and I stand by even even in hindsight, admitting it's a bad trade, I'm going to stand by what I thought at the time, which was if the Rangers had traded Bushnevich a 55 or 50-point wing for a first-round pick to St. Louis, nobody would have said a word. They traded him instead for Sammy Blay, a player I really fucking liked.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:56

How old was Blay when they traded for him? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:58

247, 25 wasn't old. Okay, I'll give you the exact it came down to the offseason of grit. And I get into a debate with uh a guy on Twitter all the time because he says I always shit on Ryan Reeves. I and I'm gonna state on our show and I'm sure he'll listen to this. He was 25. I shit on Ryan Reeves because he's not good. Nothing else. He wasn't good when they acquired him, and he's still not good. How he's still getting jobs, because he's a good teammate. But if he's such a great player, why does he keep getting traded? So let me let me finish my point on this trade. Just wanted to get that up there again. If they traded Bushnevich for a first round pick to St.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

Louis, yeah, it's listening.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:47

There are people who have it's the Sammy Blay part of the trade where people can't seem to get paid. He tore his ACL and training camp and he was never the same. I've moved on, but my the only reason I brought it up to you was was when did he realize or at what point did he say to himself, was it because he was there in the room with Jeff Gordon when all these decisions were being made? Did he not agree with it? Did he say, Hey Jeff, I don't like Panarin, I don't like Truba, I don't like this guy, I don't like that guy. I think Adam Fox is too small, but yeah, we gave him a contract extension. I think Zabinijad is not a number one center, but we gave him a contract extension. So at what point did Chris Drury say to himself, wait a second, this team's not good enough to win a cup? Was it after game five against game six against Florida, or was it before that? Or was it after that?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:37

So you gotta so retrace your steps.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:41

Obviously, we know that Chris Drury was interviewing for the Pittsburgh GM job correct in 2021. At the end of that season, so he's promised. We already know that he was essentially promised Gordon's job associate GM, right? When Gordon's gone, whenever that is, it's an in it's not a determined time. It wasn't like Gordon was planning planning on being canned at the end of the season. Okay, the events that followed expedited that, but Drury was going to be the next guy in waiting. Okay, and we know that because Dolan, after the memo was released, Dolan releases the memo condemning the Tom Wilson incident, Paros and everything else, and then John Davidson and Gordon released their own statement saying that they don't agree with what their owner just did, and Dolan telling John Davidson you have to fire Gordon. John Davidson saying, No, I'm not firing him, I'll resign before firing him, and Dolan accepting his resignation and promoting Drury to run the entire organization. That was all with Drury obviously going behind everyone's back, saying, Here's what I would do. This team's not tough enough, I'll make this team tougher. Signs Ryan Reeves brings in Goudreau, makes the trade for Sammy Blay. We get it, we get it, and we get it. And when you traded Sammy Black, again, you have to remember this part of it. Trading Bushnevich also had to do with giving Capo Kako and Alexi Lafreniere top six opportunities, which at the time they didn't earn. Okay. But how could you keep Bushnevich and how could you keep Bushnevic and block not in 2025 or 2026 that we know Capokako to be, right, right? But 2021 where we hoped he would be. I felt like he rushed to make all these moves. Sean, it was like he was it. And you and I, we actually applauded him initially for being proactive with the good role, giving up a seventh-round pick. Right. I agree. But it was like, we gotta get Patrick Nevis, we gotta get this guy, we gotta get Reeves, we gotta trade how to do it. It was like we gotta start making moves. Just I mean, all haphazardly, he went fucking that shit crazy, didn't know what the fuck he does, and they all back by it. Every trade, what I do, but what I do, and here's where you failed, and and where now he's on the other end where he's like slow cooking everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

Where I agree with doing anything, where I agree with your buddy Robert Dobeck.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:37

Oh, yeah, he loves me. He he has to be related to Ryan Reeves somewhere along the lines. Like his affection for Ryan Reeves is just awful. I've never seen anyone else. When it comes to Ryan Reeves, I let the players do the talking. The players speak nothing but glowingly about him, but he's not good, and has nothing to do with that. He is not good. What are we doing here? Are we having a popularity contest? I like I said, like I said in the tweet that I commented to you, right? Ryan Reeves is the is the baseball equivalent of a catcher.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:13

John Flarity.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:15

John Flaherty's a party animal, by the way. I drank with him at Crowbar. Um, he's the he's the equivalent of a catcher who hits 210 with no power, but the pitching staff loves pitching to him. There's no way to quantify how the pitching staff feels about their catcher, except they all go to the pitching coach and say that's the guy I want behind the plate. Yeah, that's Randy Johnson's favorite Greg Maddox having Eddie having Eddie Perez instead of Javi Lopez. Yeah, I won't throw to Javi Lopez. And like I said, like I said, you want to overreact to Brigand Reeves, fine, but to give the guy a contract extension or for not even seeing the guy play. Who cares? He was gone, Sean. I care. I care. I care because third and got back a fourth. Who cares? He was here, it was it did it wasn't your money. No, they gave him away for the same thing. It was again this goes back to my point where I said he was in such a rush to do everything, like he was he had to get the he couldn't, he had like it wasn't getting a vacation plan, he got everything done within three within four days. So if you slow played it, you'd be you you would have been better about it. But no, I mean the point was is like if you but with the hindsight, he fucking he it it seemed like he did it on what he was doing. No, I think he had a plan, I think he had a plan and executed. Whether the plan was right or wrong, I think he had a well-thought out plan of what he wanted to do. I'm gonna I'm gonna put Kako in a position. Let me ask you a question. I'm gonna give Kako and La Fournier top six opportunities. I'm gonna bring in Sandy Blake. But sure, but whoever his whoever his advisors were should all have been fired. I don't know who was in charge at that point, but for every it's it is one it to be fair, Capo Kako turned out to be Peter Forsberg. Are we having this conversation? Well, no, why what does Kako have to do with anything? Because that was the whole reason he traded Bushnevich. No, he traded Buchnevic because he didn't want to pay him. No, no, no, no. No, he traded Buchnevich because he needed to open up that spot for Kako and Lafreniere to step into. That had to happen.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:25

I don't agree with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:26

And at that time, Lafreniere was still playing the left side. So Buchnevich being a right hand, a right wing, that spot was supposed to be over for Kako. So if Kako becomes an 80-90-point right wing, this conversation is not happening. Well, the Buchnevich part of the conversation is not happening. But the fact that the fact that they traded away that five other trades and what the fuck happens if Kako turns into that player over that over the last four years. You think if Kako's an 80-point player, this team wins a championship? Holy fuck, yes. That's what they were missing. You just said yourself, if they traded for Jake Gensel two years ago, we have a cup. If Capo Kako was if Capo Kako was Jake Gensel, who's not even an 80-point player.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:12

Yeah, well, Jake Kensel's a different beast.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:14

But that's what I'm saying. I'm I and I get supposed to be that completely blew my mind. Like I was supposed to be that guy. La Ferniere was supposed to step up a little quicker to be that guy. La Fernier may still be that guy. We just listen, I'm with you. Let's see what happens this year before we go one way or the other. Right. But Kacko by 2022, 2024, yeah, we're supposed to be that guy. Definitely, definitely, definitely that first year, that 22 year. Um, but I think by 24, I think you knew what you were what he was, no. And then didn't he get scratched that? I know. I'm I'm purely talking about the the wrong thing. You know the other part of it, the other part of this is we're not paid to make these decisions. They are, and for him to fail after fail and fail and fail and fail and fail, make the wrong choice, make the wrong decision, bring in Jack Roslovic, bring in the wrong player here, bring in too many players here, bringing not enough players here. That's not on us, that's on him. I mean, let's be honest. I mean, again, to be five. I'm not defending him guy. I'm not defending him. I'm loving him. You're telling me you have faith in him. Give me one. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying I have faith in him. I'm saying that on the broader picture, I understand what he's trying to do, and I want to give him the opportunity to know what he was trying to do. What's that? He was waiting to this offseason to get Eichel, I'm excuse me, to get either Eichel, to get McDavid, or to get Caprizov. We don't know that. Oh my god. We're not talking about it for three years. Who's been talking about it? Everybody. He doesn't leak anything, so you don't know what the fuck he's doing. But for three years, he doesn't leak about this off season. He doesn't leak a thing. Well, how did true how did how did Brooks find out about Truba?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:12

From Detroit. Convinced it's from Detroit.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:18

The drury, the jury can't, and part of that is the fact he insulates himself by having a committee of one. Him. There's no one to leak it. It's just him.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:28

He don't think he can find it in his proceeding.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:30

He doesn't have a tribunal. He has nobody. Who's his assistant GM? Do you know who is assistant GM? I don't know. I don't know who is his assistant. Gas he has assistant GM. I don't think so. It's he's gotta have other people he talks to. I think it's you let me tell you, it might be. You mean to tell me that this guy is making all the decisions by himself? Yes, then he can't fire anybody. No, he can't, but he still does. Let me get to that also. Let me get to that also.

Prospects Earn It Or Lose It

SPEAKER_05 1:13:06

Oh god. Teams get too much credit and they get too much shit for player development. I am one and I'm more than ever 100% convinced all teams do, and this is across the board. This is not just the Rangers, it's not the Carolina Hurricanes, it's not any every team is the same. We give you the resources you need, and once you earn your opportunity, what do you do with it? And that's it. Skating coaches, skills coaches, every team has them. So what separates a Logan Stankoven from a Vitalik Krapsov? A six foot four kid with hands, magic hands with no motor to a 5'8, 160-pound guy with legs that are built like fire hydrants, like Marty Saint-Louis, where he wins puck battles in the fucking corner against guys at a 6'3. What is that? What what differentiates those two guys? Players themselves determine their outcome. Now you want to say that a coach, and I'm not saying this hasn't happened in the last 50 fucking years, but I think it's a lot less in the last 10 years, right? Where a coach may yeah, I'm not I'm not giving that guy the opportunity. Fuck him. That doesn't happen anymore. There's too much money invested by organizations, the players, there's too many other eyes. It's not just GM head coach, and those are the only two people who are involved in decision making anymore. That doesn't happen. So enough, there are enough eyes on certain players to say, Hey, why is this guy not? Let's let's give this guy a shot here and let's see what he does. And it's up to the player. So you have a guy like Brendan Offman who wants to sit there and cry about opportunity, blah blah blah blah blah. Play 30 NHL games, you did nothing. You were on the ice. I don't care if it was 10 minutes, five minutes, 20 minutes. You were on the ice. What'd you do with it? Make something happen. Put in the work. If you're not putting in the work and you do, I'm the 16th overall pick, and you know, I scored 50 goals in juniors. I don't, you know, this is me. If that's your attitude about shit, then it's not going to translate in the NHL if you're not good enough.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:27

Sullivan did say that he's gonna have to figure out he's not gonna be helping, he's not just not gonna be a goal scorer in the NHL.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:32

So figure out the next move, right? To his credit, Matt Pumple tried. Matt Pumple said, I have to embrace being a fourth line player if I want to stay here, and he just wasn't good enough to be a fourth line player. He was he didn't have whatever that was. Matt Pumple did one thing that that that Ottman couldn't well. But that's a perfect example to compare Brendan Othman too. A first round pick, an offensive stud and juniors and and around the drafted around the same place, right? I mean, you know, but I mean me like later in the first round, Pope was 25 and Othman was 16. Yeah, I think anything after 10 is a crap shooting, even if it's a crap shoot before that. You know, I was I was just looking at, I mean, not to get off on a tangent, but I was just looking at the Crosby draft, and they they did the Crosby redraft, like who would go? You should see the guys that were drafted at the top 10 in that draft, Jack Skilly. I mean, it's in it's and he was drafted seventh overall. Benoit Pouliot was fourth overall. I I mean you see scouting back then so different from the scouting the last year. I know Sean, but you're not talking about the scouting from 30, 40 years ago. I mean, this was what 15 years ago. It still no, it's 20 years ago. Is it that long? 2005. It's 11, 21 years ago, dude. We're in a different era with scouting.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:52

I would say the last 10 years you can really trace it, you still meant you still meant you still missing the you still missing the top 10. It that's not a foregone conclusion.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:04

It always happens, but uh Michael Rasmussen being you know, Leah Sanderson and Michael Rasmussen as centers being taken before Nick Suzuki, Robert Thomas, and Marty Natchez. There's two teams. You see my point. Like, how is it that like teams like St. Louis and Carolina always seem to find the right guys?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:22

What what are their what do they value when they're scouting?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:26

Well, what do the rangers value at? I don't know. But what the ranges value at you might have teams you might have teams that value projectability. This guy is you know, this guy has this frame, and he's gonna grow into this, and he's gonna do this, and then you might have teams who look at look at what this kid has overcome. When the rangers drafted Leah Sanderson, do you remember who he was compared to? No, Chris Kunitz. No, oh no, he was compared to Pilat, Andre Palat. That was his comp. I actually do remember that, and I remember saying if that's all the guy no, it's someone compared him to Chris Kunitz. A wing? I mean, Pilate was a wing too, but it was more of he was a Swiss Army knife, which is what Pilat was for Tampa.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:15

Now I gotta go back and look at that. I gotta go back. I had that.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:17

I remember it specifically being Pilat.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:19

I'm gonna go find it. Um, but they drafted Leah Sanderson because they thought he was gonna step right into play. That's yeah, we all know that.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:27

Yeah, we yeah, they were cap crunched and they were trying to win, and this kid this kid could play at 18.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:33

When you draft, I mean, that is it was stupid. All the true things that Gordon did, his drafting, not good. Awful good. It was so bad, even though the La Frenier draft was all him, that was that was gonna turn out to be one of his probably his best draft. Other than that, and I don't want to blame Gordon as much as I want to blame Gordy Clark because Gordy Clark ran the draft. And Gordy Clark, let's be fair, I mean, same with Eddie. You know, the lit, I mean he drafted. There was a lot of guys that a lot of first round picks, a lot of players they missed. Yeah, that's Gordy Clark. Gordy Clark was an awful drafter, and he was here for a long time. But the funny part about it was they found guys later, they found the haglins and the Esper Foss and Igor, and and they found guys later and and uh uh Haglin and and they say Haglin, I there was somebody else. Um Duclair and Buchnevich, they found guys later on in the draft. It's their early picks that they couldn't fucking figure out terrible. I mean, they did draft Stefan was a second round pick, they did draft Prider and Miller. I think he did draft all the time. They scouted goalies and drafted Brandon Halverson in the second round and they still drafted Eagle two rounds later. Remarkable. The Rangers need to stop. I know the I know Richter was a second round pick. I was he second or third. I think he was second, second, other than you have to today been a first round pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:59

What what what number was he taking? Would that have been was he in the top 32?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:05

Hmm, we looked that one up. There was only like 24.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:14

No, it would have been 85. No, that or oh wait, maybe right, because the leech came up in 89, right? But he came up at 18.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:20

Leecher's drafted in 80, 86 or 87.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:23

Yeah, Richter is so Richter was drafted 28th overall.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:27

Okay, so he would be a so by today's standards, he was a first-round pick. Yeah, that's crazy to think though, right? Uh, but that I can rattle off three of the goalies at the top.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:38

One pick after Joe Newendike. Wow. How do you feel about the Rangers drafting Of Dollin ahead of Joe Newendike?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:48

Wow, Of Dollin. He played 15 years in the league, but he wasn't Joe Newendike. When did they draft Dallin at? What number? Seven. Oh my god. So who was drafted before him and who was drafted after him?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:01

The infamous Brad Delgano was drafted six. Dana Muirson was drafted five.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:08

He had a decent career.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:09

Everybody had this hockey card of Jim Sandlack. Oh, big Canucks drafted fourth overall. The Devils drafted Craig Willanon third overall. Craig Simpson was second, and Wendell Clark first.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:25

Craig Simpson had a bad back, otherwise, he would have he was a very good player.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:29

You think Wendell Clark is being a legend the same way I do when he had 560 points, and that's it. I love Wendell Clark. Who doesn't love Wendell Clark? That's what I'm saying. He goes on the long list of Toronto Maple Leaf players that I desperately wanted. Matt Sundeen, freaking Doug Gilmore, Dave Ellett. I mean, there were so many guys on Toronto that I loved. How did he only finish with 564 points in his career? I don't even think he ever scored. That's mind-blowing.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:59

Did he ever score 40 goals?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:03

That is mind-blowing. Crazy to think that he was 46 goals in the 93-94 season. I and and I he played for the Islanders, which is crazy to think that nobody was part of that crazy trade with Steve Thomas and and uh and Claude Lemieux. So it was a three-point trade.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:22

When I talked to so I talk to Islander fans that I play hockey with, and when they talk about Drury, and I go, Who's the Islander? So Trevor Linden's the guy, but when the park second, when I say, Who who came to the islanders that you guys just despised so much as like a big acquisition?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:44

And if he became the GM of your team, you would vomit. And they all this is six different guys, six different age groups in my locker room that all said Trevor Linden. Oh, so dumb. So I go, that's Chris Drury for us. They traded Bertuzzi for him, Sean. That's the problem. Because Bertuzzi went on and had this awesome career. But how many guys get traded to the islanders and don't embrace like they're just uh why am I dear. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it was Kirk Muller, it wasn't Trevor Linden, it was Kirk Muller. I am sorry, it was Kirk Muller. You that makes more sense. Okay, that makes more sense. It was Kirk Muller makes a lot more sense, yes, yes, yes. It was Kirk Muller, not Trevor Linden. I apologize. Kirk Muller, like I said, you had you had a kid who's born in 2000, a kid who was born in 1995, a kid, a guy who was born in 1982, you had and a guy who was born in 1972. You had different age groups all over the place, all at the same time, answered the same fucking guy, and it was Kirk Muller. Well, they traded oh god, what was the trade? Oh, so they traded Lyndon to I think they traded Lyndon for Kirk Muller. Is that what it was?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:03

I think that was the trade because I think Linda went to Montreal. Is that was that the trade? I don't remember now. It's all all back in the day.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:12

Man, the trades. I mean, it was like two or three guys. I want to say it was Lemieux was an islander. Hold on. When was Claude Lemieux an Islander? Part of the three-team trade. So they traded Lemieux.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:25

Lemieux went to the Islanders to the Islanders.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:28

It's saying that Wendell Clark was turned to the Islanders for Claude Lemie.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:31

Yes. Because they traded Steve Thomas went to the Devils. Right? No, wait. Hold on a minute. It was a three-team trade. So Steve Thomas went to Toronto. Claude Lemieux went to the Islanders, and the Islanders traded.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:47

I guess Wendell Clark went to the Devils. And that's kind of it was that those three guys were the were the three guys in the trade. So Wendell Clark went to the Steve Thomas, Claude Lemieux, and Wendell Clark. It was a one, it was a three-team trade. No, Wendell Clark wound up going back to the to Toronto.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:05

Oh, so all right, so maybe reverse that. So maybe Steve Thomas came to the Islanders. Wendell Clark went to Toronto and Claude. Well, how the fuck did Claude Lemieux be? Why was Claude Lemieux in that? I could have sworn it was a three-team trade.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:20

I thought it was those three guys, but maybe I'm misremembering. So Wendell Wendell Clark did all his damage and then at age 32 was done. That's why his numbers are so skewed. He was just done by 32. Uh hold on. Because he only played in 800 games. Hold on. We're on a Wendell Clark tangent. Because I we both loved Wendell Wendell Clark.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:44

Okay, so here's how here's where it went. Uh I was right. So I'm not really sure what happened here.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:50

Uh swap sent Wendell Clark from Colorado Avalanche.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:54

I guess they were Colorado at that point. They were in Nordiques.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:58

To the Islanders for Claude Lemieux. Claude Lemieux from the Devils to Colorado. Claude Lemieux went to Colorado. And Steve Thomas from the Islanders to New Jersey. That was the trade.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:13

Yeah, I remember I remember that trade like it was yesterday. 95. 95.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:19

Like I was saying, that was one of the type of trades that went down all the time. I was like, you've never seen those type of trades anymore. Right. Never. A three-team trade with three look high-profile guys like that. Well, think of this. So the so the Islanders trade Wendell Clark and Matthew Schneider and DJ Smith. And DJ Smith to Toronto for Sean Haggerty, Darby Hendrickson. They're future caps in Kenny Johnson. Who has his number, who is on the Islander Hall of Fame now. Kenny Johnson? Kenny Johnson. And Felix Poffin. And a first round pick 1997 that wounds up being Roberto Long.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:02

Oh no, that's right. So I wonder what they could do.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:06

They got the first overall pick plus Kenny Johnson for Wendell Clark. And Matthew Schneider. Well, Matthew Schneider was a good defenseman. And then the Rangers. But we talk about the Rangers being shitty trades. Then the Rain, then Toronto trades Schneider to the Rangers for Carpent Seth straight up. Oh, I'm sorry, Luanga went fourth. I thought he was first overall. He was a fourth overall pick.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:34

He was the first goalie taken, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:37

But still, fourth overall for Wendell Clark. Well, that you said it. I mean, you said it better than anybody. Back then, they did not value first round picks. I mean, the Rangers traded a first round pick every fucking year.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:49

I mean, I don't think Sandra had one first round pick. I think he drafted the first round pick he had was Almontoya. I think he traded maybe Blackburn. Every other first round pick he traded. And then Luago was quickly traded for the guy who was the third overall pick in the same branch. Oliokinen.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:06

Ohlyokinen, that's right.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:08

For Oleg Kavasha. Wow, traded with Oliokinen. Wait, traded by Islanders with Oliokinen. Oh, that's for Kavasha and Parra. Wow. So they traded. What? That's right. Oh god, this team is misremembering a lot of these things. I'm sorry. I don't I don't want to turn the Student Islander podcast, but holy fucking this team mismanaged. This will never have been a dynasty. Think about it. He could have had Spets, Sean, he could have had Spets and Chara on the same team. With Palfi and Bertuzzi. All those guys. Mike Milberry is the worst GM in Islander history.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:44

That's he knew how to draft him.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:47

He didn't know how to draft him. I mean, then the Yashin trade. He just, you know, he wasn't patient.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:55

But, you know, you're trying to compete with the Rangers. The Rangers had just won a cup.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:00

I mean, but man, oh man. I mean, we would we would be we I mean, fortunately, we never dragged. But did they trade Palfe for Yokunin? Is that how they got yes? Okay. So they traded Palfy. Even though Palffi should have been a Ranger. Yeah, Matthew Baron. All right. So Smolinsky and Palffy for your all right. So that's how they got Yokunin and then flipped Yokenin. So they traded Palfe for the third overall pick and then flipped the third and fourth for Mark Parish and Ola Kabasha.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:30

Palfy was always supposed to be a ranger, and for whatever reason, it never worked out.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:34

Yeah, I I remember that rumor also. But I we were so young at that point with so little information that I always just thought it was just taunting. Well, there was a trade that was that was definitely remember when Hank in 2008 said that he would be an islander as part of his contract negotiations. Do you remember that? Seriously?

SPEAKER_06 1:29:57

No, I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:59

What was that? 2008 when Hank was up for to was a restricted free agent, and he talked about signing with the islanders. Okay. And it got like it was on it was a news that like it was legit, it was a legit story. And I was like, there's no, there's no way, there's no way, there's no way. They can't let that they can't let that happen.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:20

So just to give you an insight, so the trade that was supposed to be was supposed to be Palfe and Pilon, Nicholas Sundstrom and Todd Harvey were in the trade, but the Rangers refused to include Mark Savard. Smart.

unknown 1:30:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:36

And then they traded Mark Savard for Jan Halavic.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:40

Check line. League veto. Ultimately, uh Sabart's running the deal. Without the islands adding more cash. League veto. Ultimately, informal trade package submitted to League was blocked with commensurate video and early deals between the Rangers. I guess it was because of the money. There was a money thing. Wow, the 1999 article is still here from Larry Brooks.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:06

Wow. Larry, your words will live on. Oh my god, it's still here, dude. I'm gonna send this to you in case you want to read it.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:14

Yeah, I mean, it's it's still fucking there from 1999. That is insane.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:21

That isn't fucking insane. Great thing about newsprint. You can go back and read an article from 1840 if you want. You can't go on fucking puck pedia to look up trades from 2015. Not without a subscription.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:34

That's fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:37

Like I said, I miss Larry. Yeah, because we'll never we're never gonna have a situation like that again. And that's the sad part. Oh, and funny enough, that's that that deal was supposed to go down that it felt it collapsed on June 16th.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:48

So it with the anniversary went up, we'll just pass. That's funny.

Pronman Mock Draft And Rangers Targets

SPEAKER_05 1:31:54

All right, so let's go let's go through the draft here a little bit. Yeah, let's go really fast because I'm trying to I'm letting Luceam here.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:59

Yeah, so Corey Pronman put out his seven-round draft.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:03

Um, he has McKenna going one again. He has no trades in here, and let's be honest about things. We very rarely do see trades, very rarely. So even though all the rumors are out there about San Jose trading the second pick, I still put it at 20% chance that they that they actually do make a move, as much as it might make sense. I think it's even less than that. Um, so Stenberg second, Maholcher third, Maholture going third to Vancouver is happening. His father is officially the coach, it's happening. All right, chase read to the Blackhawks at four.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:42

He has Stenberg going to San Jose. Did I hear that right?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:46

Yes. See, I think that's the right move. He'll play with Celebrini. I think that's the right move. So he here's I'll be blunt with you guys. I hope Chase Reed is off the board before the Rangers pick. Here's why. I think he's out of all the defensemen that are being talked about, the most boomer bust. I think he has the lowest floor because if Chase Reed is not a 75-point defenseman, what is he?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:19

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:21

He's not the guy who's gonna play in all situations. He's kind of like Evan Bouchard in a way where if he's not putting up ridiculous offensive numbers, then what is he? He's not giving you anything else. Yeah. So with the situation we're in, this is not like a luxury pick. This is we need a building.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:40

You need to hit you need to hit here.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:42

I don't want him. And he listen, he might turn out to put up 90 points a season in the NHL. I'm not saying he won't, but there's just as much of a chance of him being a 90-point defenseman as there is him being a 35-point defenseman, yeah, who plays on your third pair, and that's it. Has the Rangers taking Carson Carrolls at five? That is the guy that I want. That is my number one. Assuming one through four happens, assuming all the forwards are gone. Right. Vigal Bjork going six to really Calgary. I will, I will not be I was I was surprised that they you'd be upset if they took him. I would not be upset if the Rangers take him. Okay. I'm starting to loosen my stance on size.

unknown 1:34:30

Why?

SPEAKER_05 1:34:31

Because you saw Stan Coven hoist the Stanley Cup. Not because the Stan Coburn himself, not listen, I take the Stanley here. All the people were like, oh, Keonj Miller won the cup, they won the trade. In theory, yes, you win the cup. It doesn't matter what you did, you got the cup, and that's all that should matter. Correct. Whether Carolina won or not, trading Keandre Miller was still the right move for the Rangers. Correct. Independent of them winning the cup.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:58

He couldn't play here. He wasn't, he wasn't mentally.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:00

I'm looking not at the cup being hoisted, but I'm looking at the way Stan Coben was physically able to dominate at his size. Again, 5'8, 170 pounds, winning puck battles in corners against guys twice his size. So if Bjork again, I don't watch enough tape on these guys, so I'm not going to pretend I do. But I'm starting to loosen my stance on guys that are a couple inches smaller if the reports are that they play bigger than their size. I'm starting to loosen my stance on that. I still want Carols over Bjork. Let me put let me be blunt on that. But if the Rangers pivot and take Bjork, I'm not gonna throw paper up in the air, go stomp outside, go twerk on a pole in in midtown Manhattan. I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be head over heels upset about this. Okay. Keaton Verhoff going seven to Seattle, Albert Smith going eight to Winnipeg. Daxon Rudolph is another defenseman that's kind of in that range, but maybe a little bit outside of it, going nine to Florida. Maltin Guserson could be Jacob Slavin. Excellent defensive defenseman, zero offense. But he might be the best defensive defenseman in the draft. Okay. So he would be going to Nashville. Shocker. Nashville drafting a complete shutdown defenseman, right? Right. Ethan Belchets, the six foot five power forward winger going to St. Louis. Wyatt Cullen, the fastest riser on the board, going to the Devils. That's Matt Cullen's son. So we could all hate on that. Tynan Lawrence should have been fourth overall a couple months, a couple of months ago, right? No. Islanders, number 13. Oh, that's filling. Uh Tynan Lawrence. I'm sorry, Oscar Hemming, uh big power forward winger going to the Blue Jackets at 14. Alexander Command is an interesting name. Uh, Russian player who destroyed everybody at the World Juniors. Uh, he's destroyed everybody at every level he's played. For some reason, he isn't really that highly thought of. He's a six-foot, 185-pound center with ridiculous hands. Uh, going to St. Louis again at 15. Oliver Savantos, a six foot-four, third line, maybe fourth line center. Think of Jordan Stahl without scoring magical goals in the Stanley Cup finals. Uh, going to Washington at 16. Similar player in Maddox Stagney going to the Kings at 17. Ryan Lynn, I don't think is going to be in the NHL. Um, very much in the Tony D'Angelo type of right-handed, undersized, very offensive defenseman going to the Capitals at 18. That makes no sense. They already have uh what's his name? Hudson. Hudson.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:08

They have the other Hudson brother who's one of them.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:15

Uh Ilya Morozov going to Utah at 19. 6'3, 200-pound defenseman. Physical, so probably a you know, middle six Ilyan Morozov?

SPEAKER_06 1:38:26

Ilya Morozov that played for Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:33

Does not say if he's a legacy player.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:37

I'm talking about Steve here.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:38

Gleeb Pujachenov, don't know who he is for Buffalo 20. William Hackinson, defenseman for the Flyers at 21. JP Hurlbutt. I've seen a name for the Rangers. Mike Hurlbutt. Is he related to Mike Hurlbutt? I don't do not know. Because Mike Hurlbutt was the Ranger prospect they traded for carpet sub.

unknown 1:39:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:00

That would be hilarious if he's Pittsburgh at 22. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:04

Here's a name that I've heard a lot of interesting things about. He's a pretty much hot topic type of guy. Elton Herminson.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:12

This fitting Bruins at 23. Could be a poster knock type of prospect.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:19

High offensive skill. Uh Tommy Blayle. Don't really know much about him.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:25

Last name Blayle. Blay. Anything that sounds like Blay, we don't want to.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:28

B-L-E-Y-L.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:29

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:31

A player that I would love to get going 25. Of course, we picked 26, right? Nikita Klepov. Highly skilled winger that has the traits that Seattle tends to target. 5% of scoring ability. He was the top scorer in the OHL. Where are you reading this from? The Athletic? Yes. Are you subscribed to Athletic? Yes. I I gave them my my three dollars for the year.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:54

I I caved. Um six foot, 180-pound left-handed shot wing.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:00

I might subscribe so I can read all these things.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:02

But he is beautifully high, highly offensive, offensive. Has the Rangers at 26 taking Jack Hexall? We all love the name. Brian Hextall, you know, Hextall. Is he really? I don't know. I will look. I will look. The Rangers don't get a center at five, so they end up adding a very good two-way pivot here in Hexall, although he projects more as a three C in the NHL. Six foot, 188 pounds from Youngstown, Ohio. He's a center, right? He is a center.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:36

I heard I heard I've heard a lot about him.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:38

So they're the guys that they're passing on that are interesting names is Brooke Rogowski, 6'7, 235 pound center. Uh Adam Novotny is a very highly offensive. Wing Ruck, they're both Ruck brothers.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:54

Ruck, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:56

Um Alan Ruck. Is he one of them?

unknown 1:40:59

Alan Ruck.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:02

Uh Liam Ruck. Okay, what's the other one? Oh my god, he has he has the other one going really late. Marcus Ruck.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:11

Well, Khan, I hate to break this to you. The Hexto, that's the that's the player that played for the Rangers, is also related to the GM. It's his grandfather.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:23

Here's an interesting name. Go that Pronman has going 47th to Detroit is Mathis Preston. Well, what's our second, what's our second round pick? What number is it?

SPEAKER_06 1:41:33

It's in the 60s.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:36

It is number 11. 64.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:41

64, 67, and 77.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:46

Yeah, it's almost a third round pick. Three of them right there.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:50

They have us taking Beckett Hamilton, a 5'11, 170-pound center out of the out of the W. Igor Barabanov. I don't, there's no one from the typical guy the Rangers draft late. Oh, they love drafting Russian players in like the the third, fourth, fifth round. It's like their thing. Another six-foot and pound center.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:12

Barbashev and whoever.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:14

And then the the last pick of the third round is Dmitry Borchev, six foot-two goalie.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:21

Wow. We haven't drafted a goalie in a bit, right? Since eagle.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:25

And then they pick again at 81. So right after all this, Luke Shire, uh American, six foot three defenseman.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:35

It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be interesting what because the second round, I mean, it they might they might either trade back or they might trade up with all those extra picks. Yeah, I mean they might. I mean, I know the year that Gordon had all those extra picks.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:48

I think I don't think they made any drafted everybody, Jacob Ragnarsson, Joey Keene.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:52

Like he used every single one of those picks. He did not use the picks to try and move up. Well, he threw as much shit against the fan as possible and those defensemen, and none of them worked.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:05

Yeah, and they also wasn't that didn't they draft didn't they both Limbaum? Wasn't he wasn't he like the first Limbaum? First goal he picked, yep. Really bad, really bad. That was a bad draft.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:18

That was a really bad draft. What do you have though? A lot of his drafts were, but yeah, I mean, we're gonna see what he does, what's out there. I'm hoping for Carol's. I'll put it this way if they trip Smith's, if they if they draft Albert Smith, are you gonna be disappointed? I heard a lot of good things about him. I've heard a lot of I've heard enough good things about for our next show. I'm gonna really try to watch as much as I can about the player for the players that are in their right draft it range. Um the first round guys, I'm not, I mean, I'll I'm not gonna go crazy with the later picks, but the guys that are in the the three specific guys, which are you know, obviously Carol's, uh Schmitz, and Bjork. I'll I'll look I'll look I'll watch those three guys. Carls, Bjork, Verhoff, Smith. Those are the four guys you want to kind of concentrate on. Those are the guys, Brian. This is a FDMY King of the Ice shirt from 2019.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:23

It's the Canuck symbol, but it just says King of the Ice on it. So I thought it was cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:29

And I figured considering and and Brian, it was sponsored by Jesse Hetzler's uh bagel shop in uh Rock Boys. 100% 100 sponsored by him.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:39

But uh I figured it was a good play on uh you know 32 years of of where we stand with our with our team, which we might be waiting another 32 years. Who knows?

SPEAKER_05 1:44:50

Who knows? But uh I mean it's gonna be an exciting week leading into it. I'm I'm wondering if I'm I'm was hoping that maybe the the reason they haven't done anything is just maybe get this all this Nick stuff out of the way.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:01

But uh we'll see. We'll see. We got uh, like I said, we got eight days, and uh, you know, we're gonna see what happens.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:09

But we know for sure in a week, a week from tomorrow, we're gonna know something. We're gonna know something. They're either gonna drift and we have a new guy or we're gonna have a new player. So there's gonna be something along

Patreon Live Plans For Draft Day

SPEAKER_05 1:45:21

somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:21

And guys, just uh just a heads up, Patreoners.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:26

We appreciate you. Um, if you're not on the Patreon group and you'd like to contribute, we don't ask much, but if any any contribution you can make is appreciated, you could always reach out to me or rock um for information on how to contribute to our Patreon. We do live feeds through Patreon. I will do them throughout the summer. Um live reaction to the draft, I will do on Patreon. I'm sure Rock will do something as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:56

Um, so are we gonna do a free agent day? Anything free agent day?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:02

What day is what day of the week is it?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:05

I think it's it is it July 1st?

SPEAKER_06 1:46:08

Uh, pretty sure it is.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:09

Usually that's a Wednesday. Yeah, I should be good to do something during the day.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:14

Yeah, we have to wait till noon because I'm I'm we'll probably start before go on.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:18

We'll go on at 11 because we'll want for a little while. I mean, we'll go on for we'll do 11 to 1. Information's already leaking by 11. For that day, we'll figure out how we're gonna handle that.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:30

Um, yeah, so we have a lot of stuff coming up, and also with the Patreon, we also do you know post-game stuff, right? Screaming, yelling, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:41

You get more of the more of the yelling from rock, you'll get more of the I'm drunk. I'm drunk and leaving the game from for me.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:51

Uh, we're gonna try to add some more stuff, try to do more stuff this summer.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:54

I'm glad I didn't trip over my words this entire time. I have done it.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:57

We're gonna try to do some fun shows this summer. We'll talk about some other things. Yeah, try not to go away completely, but we'll see. We'll see. Hopefully, we have some interesting stuff to talk about and something exciting to talk about.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:08

We sure will. We sure will. But yeah, uh, on the Patreon group, you will get live reaction. If there's a listen, there's a trade made tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:15

We'll be on, we'll be on. One of us will be on for sure. Yes. Uh, will we pick Sean? We'll pick Sean like to pick a rock lane.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:25

Listen, I can't speak about draft picks. I can find optimism in every single player they take. Obviously, I'm I am not going to sit here and say I know anything about these players are drafting. I can only go by what we hear, what we read, what I read. But um what I will say though, in the past, when I've when I've watched the draft, I listened to certain people's reactions. And I remember, as God is my witness, the two picks in particular, which were Jessamine and McLath, when you hear guys say, especially Bob McKenzie at the time, say, Wow, that's off the board. Now you know you're in trouble.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:06

I mean, that's just that's just I was at the draft party, so what did they say about Kravtsov on TV?

SPEAKER_05 1:48:13

They said, I know McKenzie said they've drafted Kratzov, he was the biggest riser. They didn't really crush him, but it wasn't they weren't like he said he had a great playoff, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it wasn't like complete and utter like euphoria. So, from what I remember, I'm I might actually have that draft somewhere. Sean General Optimism viewpoints, or as a Jet fan, or 100% as a Jet fan. I mean, there are people that have lived and died and never seen a uh uh Jets uh Super Bowl, right? I'm 45 years old. I've never seen Super Bowl. So I actually was the Jets win Super Bowl one or was it Super Bowl three? Okay. So my dad was right. I was like, he's like, yeah, I remember I won a I made a lot of money on the 1968 season, it was won in January of 69. Okay. So they won in January of 69, the Mets won, the Knicks won in June of 69, and the Mets won in October of 69.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:13

I think my father said he was in the Navy at that point, and he made a lot made a lot of money on the Jets that year.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:19

In the Navy, yeah, pretty close to that.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:22

All right, this

Jets Pain And WFAN Parting Shots

SPEAKER_05 1:49:23

was good. Um that's exactly how listen right now we're incredible. We're not pretending we have the quarterback of the future yet. We have everything else. Brandon Tierney thinks she has a quarterback of the future, right? Is there any sadder fall than Brandon Tierney right now? He's terrible. There's no sad listen. I don't like when people lose their jobs. I'm gonna preface that. I I I like Sal. Uh, I don't like people losing their jobs, but he's not uh he just doesn't, he's just not a likable person. And I've got to be likable then, and his takes are awful. Tierney, and he only likes the two sports, right? Baseball and football. And that's it. He knows nothing about anything anything else, and he's the biggest homer on both of them, Yankees and Jets. And his takes, and I so as a Jet fan, when I hear his takes on the Jets, I'm like, God, you're so stupid.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:18

Yeah, he's he's he's toast.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:20

And when you hear like Giannotti, I love again. We're going WFAN talk here to finish up the show. I love Giannotti. Me too. So when he attacked Giannotti and Giannotti goes, look, realize nobody wished you farewell because nobody liked you here. Like, literally, you were the problem. Yeah, you blame this person, this person, this person. Maybe you could just I take more of Giannatti's word over his 100%. Who thinks he knows better than everybody else, that he's better than everybody else, right? And he comes off as a jerk. And I'm sorry, like when you come off as I mean, Cardin comes off as a jerk, but at least he's he's that's his that's his role. Exactly. That's his stick is to be a jerk. Tyranny thinks that's a he thinks he's Francesa and he's not Francesca. He's not he's not a speck. You can get away with being an asshole. He is not a speck on Francesa's rear end, right? He's not a pimple on Francesca's rear end. 100% correct. You can be Francesa when you're as good as Francesca. Correct. You can't be that and Francesca could fake things, he could talk about college sports, he could talk about he could talk a little bit hockey. That's where he made his living. I can't fake anything other than baseball. Right, that's how we got famous, right? Was picking college sports, right? So he knows college sports as well as anybody, Francis. You know, he wasn't too bad about a lot of things. He's very worldly and about a lot of things, he was very intelligent. He is I love I was a very horse racing, he was intelligent about everything. Hockey, you know, he was his was his biggest weakness, but yeah, which he admitted, which he said I only watch playoff hockey, right? He never tried to make it more than it was for him, right? Just he had an arrogance about him, but he could back up his arrogance, where this guy can't. Yeah, anyway, yeah. This was fun. Keep keep we'll keep uh looking at the group. We're gonna have more content coming out in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully, we hear something. I mean, Kevin Weeks' cryptid text alone isn't gonna keep us uh at bay much longer.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:25

So we're gonna have to see what happens coming up.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:27

And yes, Brian, uh Connor Hellebuck and Geno Smith are, of course, best friends. They're gonna go see Gone Girl together at the at this at the Cinoplex Odeon.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:38

Oh my god. Gone girl. That's a good one. See you guys later. All right, my night. Bye bye. Wow, we did.