Rangers Offseason Reality Check Before The NHL Draft

The league lights up with draft-week trades, and we sort out what the chaos means for the Rangers while we wait on Trocheck and any real leak from the front office. We argue for a calmer plan built on defense, cap flexibility, and smart drafting instead of chasing a headline move. 

• reacting to the day’s major trades and why teams are hoarding first round value 
• setting expectations for Trocheck and Larkin prices and why “needle movers” are rare 
• venting about Drury’s risk tolerance and how past deals shape current behavior 
• making the case for building from the blue line around Fox and elite goaltending 
• debating offer sheets, cap space leverage, and realistic “big swing” targets 
• weighing winger ideas like Laine, Robertson, Besser, Kane and why cost matters 
• breaking down which defensemen to keep and the need for a true second pair option 
• talking pick No. 5 prospect risk versus safety and why scouting trust matters 
• sharing a few names to watch for the Rangers’ later pick 

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Transcript

Pre Draft Trade Frenzy Begins

SPEAKER_02 0:02

What are we actually included in some other players?

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Well, here we are. The trades are flying. Not for us so much, but around the rest of the league, trades are going on all over the place. So we thought, hey, you know, why not jump on tonight? Uh tomorrow night wasn't gonna work for either of us. So, and the draft is Friday, so figure we'd jump on one more time here. Yeah, maybe we'll get something live that happens while we're while we're doing the show. But two guys, one cup, Sean and Rock. It is June 23rd. Um and we're still waiting. We're still waiting. That the Trochek sweepstakes uh continues. Dylan Larkin's still out there. There's a lot of guys still out. This almost feels like a trade deadline show today. But here we are, you know, just before the draft. And I mean, an insane amount of movement today. This beats any trade deadline that we've seen since we've been doing the show, just what's gone on the last five hours. But Rock, how are you?

SPEAKER_02 1:48

What's going on, pal? It's uh been a very exciting day. Uh not very exciting for for our team, but definitely exciting around the league and things that we've we've we've wanted to see in movement. And you know, salary cap space is there, and you know, no one wants to hold on to a top 10 pick, it seems. So this is uh this has been fun. I'm very excited to see what the next few days bring.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah. Uh so you just and just as we were going on air, why don't you tell everybody uh what's what's going on?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

So Bowen Byron's getting traded to Chicago. Um I know this is a Ranger podcast, but uh there's there's obviously some ramifications that come to this. It looks like the fourth overall pick is going to Buffalo, and supposedly some other players. Um, I'm assuming salary cap space to uh for Buffalo to sign um so far trading training saying sign talk. I'm just trying to read what somebody just wrote. Uh so has no effect on the attempts to re sign talk. So, anyway, that's where we stand. So a fourth overall pick for Bow and Byron um to Chicago. I guess Chicago didn't like either who was going to be left from Chase Reed or Schmidt's or Carroll's. I don't know if that's good or bad.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

So earlier in the day, San Jose traded uh William Eklund to Ottawa for the ninth overall pick. And what that does is tell you that they're drafting Stenberg number two, and that they'll draft a defenseman with that ninth overall pick in all in all likelihood. Yeah. So being that Stenberg was going to be off the board, that obviously they they preferred to do it. This and it was smart. Listen, I I think San Jose is handling this perfectly. They're gonna go get the best player available, which is Stenberg, and Ru Beckland, um, to go and either use that ninth pick to maybe they flip that ninth pick for someone else for you know an NHL defenseman. Maybe they trade the ninth pick for for Schneider plus. Who knows? Yeah, still this possibilities are still out there, uh, or they're gonna use that ninth pick to draft whichever one of the defensemen falls to them, yeah. Or whichever one of these four or five that are out there. You know, Daxon Rudolph's a name we haven't talked about, but he's like just a very small notch below. He's in that range, he's in that range. He's a top 10 defenseman, also. So you they conceivably could have five different guys to choose from, you know, whichever one falls to them. And uh, you know, they'll add to their their talent pool that way. But it's it's there's just it's crazy, just the amount of movement. Yeah, and you see all these teams that are trying to get first round picks because of the amount of depth that's in this, uh that's in this first round. I saw someone post today about uh jury possibly trying to trade down, meaning, you know, to maybe get two picks in the round as opposed to drafting someone with five. Who knows? Yeah, I don't know what this guy's thinking. Think about think about today, Rock. All these trades have been made. Kairou, Kairou traded to Washington for McMichael and what the 16th pick? 16th pick. Yeah, yeah. So you've had Cairo, we heard nothing about really him being moved today. We've heard nothing about Bowen Byron being moved today.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Well, we've heard these names have been out there, they're not they're not out of left field. I mean, I think Brady Kachuk, the Brady Kachuk trade was a little bit more surprising because he still had term on his deal. Uh, there were rumble. I know Cairo did too, but I mean, but St. Louis has been, I've even been hearing about him being traded for years. I mean, that's nothing new. Uh to me, the the guys that have gotten moved today are nothing should not surprise you. Simo Nemich, Kairou, uh, you know, Byrum, these are all guys that had that have been on the market and have been guys that have been available for a while now. So I'm not surprised. I I'm I you know I think I think uh you know, I think Cairo is the just the type of player that will fit right into Washington style. It's a night, it's a nice pickup for them. Better there than the Islanders. I agree they had rumors that the Islanders were interested. Um, but you know, listen, and I I I don't know, I don't know what this guy's thinking. I don't know what he's expecting. I know Mick Michael was was uh was a player, so you that's probably as close to a hockey trade as you're gonna get most of the other trades today have been for picks. And we've all heard that Drury does not want picks, he wants players. Now, I whether he softens on that, whether the pick is a high pick, and I mean I don't know who's in the top 10 now or whatever. He is an amateur, thank you. Drury is an amateur, he's a uh he's a professional, he's an amateur doing a professional job. He's a coward. Um but listen, I I told Sean before, before, you know, I don't worry about what my thoughts were, but I said to him before we got on the show, I said I'm expecting nothing. And I think that's what the fan base needs to do, guys. I think you guys need to expect nothing. And if something happens, then we can get excited. But I would, as a as a fan base, we should expect zero, nothing, and just wait for our Jalen Brunson to somehow become available, build, draft, make moves on the periphery, because honestly, there is no guy, there is no guy that it's out there right now, whether it's in free agency.

Byram Deal Ripples And Pick Chaos

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Uh I Dylan Larkin's not a needle mover. You know, I don't know how much of a mover needle mover Rob Robertson is. I think he's obviously an upgrade over what we have, but these are not guys that are gonna come here and single-handedly help you win it, like single-handedly though, help you lift the Stanley Cup. I I just don't, I just think that you know, you need a McDavid, you need a McKinnon, you need that type of guy to somehow want to come here and slay the dragon the way Messier did. Now, the difference between a lot of these guys, maybe Mount McKinnon, but McDavid hasn't won. You know, Messier won five cups before he got here. He knew what it took. You know, I I again I I don't know, I don't know what to expect from this guy because he hasn't done anything. Um, I like I said, I think he's a coward. I think he's been afraid to make moves ever since his first offseason where he went willy-nilly. He went he went from being like overzealous to being like completely underzealous, if that's even a word or a phrase, because he went from being not patient at all to being so patient that he holds on to guys way too long. Like he's been so afraid to move guys too early, opposed to and he's moving guys too late, and they're getting anything for them. So I don't know, I don't know what to expect. I I'm going into this with saying they're drafting fifth overall, they're drafting 26th overall. Anything else that we get, whether it's a player, a prospect, a pick, whatever it is, whatever moves they make is gonna be gravy because I just don't think this guy has the cojones to make to move a la fronier for somebody. I just don't think he does. I think he's afraid. I think he's afraid of fucking this up.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna disagree with you. Do you think that do you think that the ranger that Drury is waiting for Larkin to be moved first? No, because first of all, if we if we know anything about the league, is the league looking for Larkin? In other words, all the teams that are that are vying for Trochek are also vying for Larkin, they're pretty much filling the same type of role.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

But the trade for Larkin is gonna be substantially more than for Trochek, and there are teams that don't have the assets that other teams have, so they gotta know that they're not in for Larkin. I mean, Larkin's gonna cost you multiple first-round picks, you think we would think, right? Especially as a center, the age, the whatever, and probably two prospects. You think Trochek's cost you four pieces?

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Three. I think it'll be three pieces. Three pieces. All right, well, I just think that the piece will be better than Charlie Strande. Yeah, it'll be the first, it'll be the first, a legitimate prospect that's already played in the league. Right, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

I think that's the big thing. I don't even know if they're getting that, Sean. I mean, we're not seeing players being traded. McMichael was an RFA, they had to dump him. So essentially he was a free agent.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Yeah, but it's uh an RFA is fine. I'll take an RFA again that has NHL experience.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

We have not seen teams trade guys that they value. I mean, Carolina couldn't wait to get rid of Brandon Morrow. Scott Morrow. Can't remember his name. I mean, they these certain teams that draft well do not trade their premium prospects. They don't. They don't. So I'm not really sure what we're gonna get. You're not getting a team's one number one prospect for Trochek. You're just not doing it, it's not happening. You know, and and the LA and the LA rumors are asinide.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Well, they don't have anybody, they have nothing, they literally have nothing.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

And you don't want futures, so what's the problem? What's the difference? They might not have to tank. You're right, they may not have to tank.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

They don't blow.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

We traded Keandre Miller and Hydes.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

I don't get the Rangers record the Rangers record in a year where everything went wrong last year was still 500 when Igor was healthy. So I I don't believe that they blow. They blow without him, I'll give you that. And Fox, for that matter, right, especially their power play. Um but I have I have the secret sauce for how this Ranger team can, even when the kind of all else may fail this offseason, can still get themselves to be a very good team next year. And that's building the defense. It's easy to do because you already have you already have the hardest part. You already have uh Fox and Gavricops, you already have a legitimate uh top flight number one pair. They work really well together. Fox when he's healthy, even me will admit Fox when he's healthy, is a top 15 defenseman in the league, is one of the better off, he's one of the best power play quarterbacks in the league. You can win. Sullivan's a defensive coach. You can go back to the black and blue shirts era of Ranger hockey where you're gonna win three, two games, and you're gonna build the team from the inside out around your best player, who which is their goaltender. You have Miller, you have Zabanejad, you have Lava, you go sign like a Kevin Stenland or something like that to be your fourth line center.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

Why? Why? Why not? Why just let Lava be the fourth line center?

SPEAKER_01 12:52

No, I just said you have you have Miller and Zabanejad. Lava would be your third line center, Stenland would be your fourth line center. Okay. So down the middle you're fine. Yeah, you find another wing, you find a couple wings. Listen, I am all for them going after Patrick Line this offseason. All for it.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

Yeah, that's true to be that seems to be the i that seems to be a guy that that would definitely look for a soft landing spot because obviously there's zero expectations on him. The team wasn't good last year. They're last in the east. Soft landing spot, he'll get top six minutes, and he'll he'll try to re- uh that reinvent himself in that in that sense. And I I don't I don't hate that. I don't hate that.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

I mean, uh I think a one-year deal, yep, you know, and even if you gotta give him eight million dollars, if it's one year, who gives a shit? We have thirty million dollars in cap space. Give him give him eight million dollars. Come here for one year.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

Yeah, I mean, I got I don't know. I mean, Hurdle, I mean we've we've heard Hurdle's name get thrown around. I don't know what his contract situation is.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Yeah, a trade for him. I think he's gonna be. Um, but they might be looking to dump him.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Yeah, but he's in Novegas, you know, Vegas.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Okay, so give us Hurdle and and next year's first round pick, and we'll take them off your hands. And then you can go.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

I mean, but that those see that see if they cannot if they can't, well, listen, I think I really think that they should. I wonder if the offers sheet thing is they're serious about that.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

I hope so. I hope so. Because like I said, dude, you you literally can go to Anaheim, put seven years, 20 million dollars in front of both Gautier and Carlson, and Anaheim cannot match both. And they'd be hard pressed to match even one. I think that they would match Carlson. They'd be they wouldn't want to do it. Yeah, because just because it's a lot of money. But I don't I don't think that they can fathom letting him go. But I that that's what I would do. If uh if you're not gonna spend your money and you have thirty million dollars in capital, and you you are not gonna invest into your first line center for the next decade. Because Leo Carlson changes your franchise, he does. I think he's that good. Yeah, like as all as far as all these young guys, it's celebrating and it's just a notch below is Carlson. Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

I mean, I would think you would have to give him like 20 million a year.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

I mean, that's I would do it. That's what you would have to go, and that's what I would do.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

I would give up the next four years first round. Stupid that's totally fine with me.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

Yeah, Dora Fay, I mean the Dora Fayev thing, you know what pissed me off about Dora Fayev is they had multiple opportunities to to draft him, and they did it. Every team did. I know, but it's just like the what the one time a Russian player like they love drafting Russian players, but yet when they're available in the second round, they don't want to bother with them.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

And listen, I I will give all the credit in the world because nobody bang the table harder than Stat Boy Stephen from Dorothea.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

That and oh, and your other boy, Drew Way, was a big Dorfayev guy. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Would not shut up about that to the point where I hated Pavel Dora Fayev because they just wouldn't stop with them.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Yeah, they were right, you know. Hey, listen, every even what does it say? Even even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes, you know. I mean, there have been a lot of guys, no good list. I'm waiting for him to still to him to still pop.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Antonio Strangest.

SPEAKER_02 16:31

Oh god, but um listen, I just think that they need to stay salary flexible.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

I don't agree with that one bit, Blaine. I think what listen, I would like I'm not saying Bedard is not a player. Carlson is everything, and Bedard is Bedard's gonna put up offense. I don't know that he's gonna do everything. I think he's gonna be Bedard is a lot closer to Jack Hughes than he is Macklin celebrating. Epstein files. Yeah, I mean I'm not sharing that one.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

Yeah, yeah. Um whoever's here is gonna see it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Yeah,

What These Trades Signal Leaguewide

SPEAKER_01 17:10

no, that's only us. Only only you see the comments. We only see that. That's why I'm posting them on the screen.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Selectively.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

I got it.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Sorry, Mama the Old. I'm not sharing that one.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

Well, that's our that's our boy Eddie Geike, right? Oh, is that who that is? I think that's who it is. He is here.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Momo and the old, that's you? That's the geek.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

I think that's the geek stamp. I thought Eddie. I thought he said Eddie G before, so I think I don't know. We don't know many other Eddie G's. But uh, like I said, I mean I just think we need to just tamper our enthusiasm, go into this offseason, and they just need to build some kind of a foundation, and they have to just build a foundation and wait for the right guy to come and not force it.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

So, but then isn't that how you take the big swing? Money. That's the ranger way, money, right? Take the big swing and well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

I mean, I I'm fully aware that may they may try to do that, but through the poison, I just don't think it's I just don't think it happened, it just doesn't happen often. I I we'll see if that happens, it happens. He's gotta be desperate, no? He has to be desperate. You've got to be desperate. I mean, you'd think. I mean, they could offer Sheet Robertson too, right now, if they really want to.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Well, he doesn't change, like like you said, he's an excellent player, but and I I forget who I brought I brought this up to Johnny Lazarus yesterday, but you got it. Jason Robertson reminds me of bringing in Luke Robotai, like he's not a guy that creates his own his own goal scorer. You know, he doesn't create his own offense, he's an unbelievable goal scorer around the net, which is Luke Robotai. Robotai came here, and what was that? Uh 22 goals and 26 goals. Billy Flint. What's up?

SPEAKER_02 18:59

That's a good comment. You're right, too.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

No one's more desperate than us.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

No way, but uh, you know, it's Robotai could not play in the Eastern Conference. Because if you look at his Eastern Conference numbers and his western conference numbers, are and I only you know we only played the couple of years in Pittsburgh and a few years here, but if you look at his numbers everywhere, especially in LA, I mean they're just night and day, and and I I just think it was just a more wide open style hockey where in the east we especially in the 80s and 90s, that's how it was.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

I mean I just I don't want to take the big swings on wingers. Like, let's learn from our let's learn our lesson from Panarin and build build from the inside out. Goaltendering is there, build the defense legitimately, you know, take take a look inside. And enough with the people who just oh Schneider stinks. He doesn't stink, he doesn't stink, he's just not he leaves something to be desired because you see it in glimpses, you see it in glimpses. And listen, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Do you know what though? Look, I mean, people might look at Schneider and see, look, wow, look what Keandre Miller did away from the Rangers and might might overpay for him.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

I think he's has a ton of value around the league. Every team asks about him. Every team. That's the first name that comes up in.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Well, I don't know as much. I mean, they ask about him because he's really the young EJ Emery stinks. He's gonna be a bottom pair guy.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Um, I don't I don't know about that. I'm not sure what I saw. I think he's gonna it was one game. I saw him play against Quinnipia, who was the in the college playoffs. I liked what I saw. Uh we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

I should say that. I shouldn't say that because I criticized somebody years ago who criticized Ryan Lindgren and said he'll never be an NHL player and he went on. He's gonna have a 15-year career. Um I don't know. They I just we just don't hear anything about him. Like he's almost like he's forgotten, and you know, he's not even a a player they all like could be offered in a in a package, like they don't even consider him a top pick, like a top prospect in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Because he doesn't provide offense. Well, so that takes again, right? But that that takes time to for those types of things.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Brian Lincoln didn't provide offense either, still has gonna play 15 years in the league. I mean, he's still he's still an asset, no? He was a throw, not a throw-in, but he was a top prospect, but he was the top, he was the main p the main prospect in that Nash trade, no?

SPEAKER_01 21:24

A first round pick was the main piece of the Nash trade. All right. Semantics, yeah. Um say that he was a he was not considered, he was put it this way, he wasn't even considered as high of a prospect as Jacob uh Forzbaka Carlson, whatever the fuck that guy's name was. That guy was listed as a bet as a bigger, bigger prospect than Linggren was. When we were breaking down Boston's prospect pool when that trade when that trade was happening. There was Jacob Forbaska Carlson, there's the um the Mamaluke that went to Edmonton, the center, Trent Frederick. Yeah. Those guys were all listed as bigger prospects than Ryan Lindgren, and Lindgren wound up turning out to be better than those guys.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Yeah, but I I shouldn't have said he's not going to play. That's my fault. I shouldn't, I shouldn't say talk about people. I'm just saying that based off of everything that I've heard and read, they don't even like he's almost like a forgotten player. And maybe in some cases that's the Ken.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Who writes? Stat nerds. Who writes? Seriously. Who's writing about North Dakota defensive, defensive, defense?

SPEAKER_02 22:29

But you would think though, Sean, we're in a prospect pool that is barren, that he would have some kind of value to them.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

He's considered our top prospect. Defense, our top defensive prospect.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

He's that's a defensive prospect. Yeah. Anyway, I forgot where we're at. Someone was asking about something. Oh, we were talking about Robotaye.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

And I again, I I mean any of these, any of these power forward goal scorer, like now.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

I would trade, I would trade, I would trade La Fournier for Robertson right now.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Yeah, because you're trading wing for wing.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, I would, I would, I would make that move, or I would use if you could offer sheet I would do that as Robertson, bring him in, and then that means La Fronnier becomes expendable and you can move him for something else. I mean, that's the only reason why you would do that.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Well, you'd have to give up you the offer sheet that you would be giving Robertson is gonna be if it's not the four first round picks, it's gonna be close. I don't know what the notches below that. What is it, two firsts and a second, or a first, second, and a third. I don't know what it is, but bottom line is uh I would rather try and make the trade straight up. At least Dallas gets something. I don't know. Yeah, that's what I would do. I would try that. But think of how unrealistic the expectations will be from this fan base, whether it's Robertson, Sean. It's there's gonna be expectations no matter who they bring.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

If Patrick Line walks through the door, there's gonna be expectations. There won't be any 100% because he's playing on the first line. Whoever's playing next to Mika Zabinajad or JT Miller is gonna have expectations.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

They're gonna have Zabinajad, Lafreniere, and Perot is gonna be a line. If Lafreniere's here, which he most likely will be. Let's be honest, he most likely will be. Yeah, but again, because he has no value. So if you have Cooley, Miller, and Line A as your second line, that's more likely. It'll be Miller setting up Cooley. Uh Miller setting up Line A. I don't like Cooley.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

I do not like Cooley on the second line. He's not a second line player. Again, I'm not gonna go through lineups. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it three days before the draft, talking about lineups. Eddie Geyke's gonna kill us. He's gonna send somebody here to to assassinate us for talking about line combinations. I'm not I'm not doing it. I'm I but will Cooley is not a top six player. Not not in my opinion. I mean, again, he might he would he may turn into that at some point, but they gave him the utmost runway this year. And again, these guys all didn't start playing well until the season was all was over. So again, we need to see what's going to happen come the start of the year. But I think I think Line would be smart to bring him in. Um, and then they need a they need a unless they draft Albert Schmitz and he and he plays in the lineup next year, they need anyone to be drafted. They need a second pairing left shot defenseman.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

I do not want anybody that we draft to play for us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

Cooley led them last year. Philip Heatle, Philip Heedle led them two years ago in disallowed goals. Um, they need a second pairing defenseman and they need a top six, they need at least one top six forward. So I wouldn't, yeah, you're right. I mean, I would not be the lead, and they need a fourth line center, I guess, if Lob is playing third line center, and they they need a fourth line center. So, I mean, that's really what they're going into this offseason with. Um, I don't, and then if anything else shakes loose, unless they keep Trochek. If they keep Trochek, then they're gonna go boom, boom, boom. Lob is your fourth line center, Trochek stays as your number three, and you kind of roll with it from there. I mean, I I don't I don't know what they're gonna do. I don't. I mean, you're not hearing anything from anyone, and like you and I talked about, without Larry Brooks here, nothing gets leaked. That's true, nothing. You don't hear anything, not even the national guys know it what's going on. I mean, people are guessing. You got Nick Cyprios guessing, you got Kevin Weeks guessing. I mean, they're just throwing cryptic shit out there and and hoping that shit sticks. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Now that scares me because there has to be something from somewhere other than out of the new Rangers organization, right? Meaning something needs to come from another team to know something of some sorts that's going on, which leads to believe that nothing's going on. That's how I view it. You're telling me between Chris Johnston, Dregor, Sarabelli, Elliott Friedman, uh the list goes on and on. Nobody knows anything.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Nobody I'll

Drury Heat And Fan Expectations

SPEAKER_01 27:20

give you a name that I'm hearing that I could see that makes a lot of sense for the Rangers to sign. And that's the kid, uh Ryan Shea from Pittsburgh. Okay, I don't know enough about him to 28 years old.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

Why would he always?

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Okay. I haven't heard one peep about that guy.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

35 points last year.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

I haven't heard one peep out of that guy.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Late bloomer, late blooming defenseman, six foot two.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Why did I keep it in then? Is he the RFA, a UFA?

SPEAKER_01 27:54

He's a UFA. Why wouldn't he cash in? This he just he just had a big year for the first time.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

What uh what were his numbers?

SPEAKER_01 28:02

35 points in 80 games. Another guy cashing in off of one good year.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

I I I don't know. What are you giving him? Is it a one-year deal? So three years, six years?

SPEAKER_01 28:14

You'd have to give him a few. I said six million. Oh, six million for one year. You're not giving a sign. Why would he sign for one year?

SPEAKER_02 28:21

I'm just saying, I don't want a guy who I don't want to give big money to players that we don't really know a lot about.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

What was his time on ice last year? Looks like he played 16, 18. He played a little over 18 minutes a game last year.

SPEAKER_02 28:42

Plus, I don't trust anyone with the last name Shay.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

It's spelt the right way.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

I don't care. The net way, the shit defenseman way. I don't want nothing to do with anything with the last name Shay at the end of it. Nothing. I want nothing to do with the last name Shay in any capacity.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

So out of our D Corps, who do you want to keep? Fucks.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

Honestly, I like Matthew Robertson. I am a huge fan of Matthew Roberts. I really like him as a player.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

You can win a cup with Matthew Robert.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

I don't know. I that's what I don't know. I don't know. He takes a shit ton of penalties. Uh I don't know. I need to see another season. I need to see another season of him. Um I don't know. Uh I like Borgan more the year before. I thought last year he was very shaky. I don't know if that has to do with his defensive partner. I don't I don't think Borgan played well last year. So if you're asking me straight out, and who else am I missing? Who's look I don't think they gave Iorreo enough of a runway. I mean, that's another that's that's another thing I didn't like.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

He should not go into the seasons anyway.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know that. I know that. Umreo and Moro are all. Who else are we missing? So it's Fortescue. Fortescue. I liked what I saw from him. I'm not ready to anoint anyone.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Are you willing to are you willing to go into next season with Fortescue playing 18 minutes a game?

SPEAKER_02 30:25

Okay, what's the plan for next season? Is this season two?

SPEAKER_01 30:28

We're trying to win.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Then no. Okay, no, I'm not. I agree with you. I'm not. I think I think you need to bring in a veteran guy to play in your top six, top four, that can move the puck, uh, that has some kind of offense. I mean, let's look at the rest of those guys. You got Doc and Inen, you got Robertson. I mean, Robertson, I think, can produce a little bit of offense. Um, but they need someone else. I mean, they they need another guy that's going to be able to put some points up. And I and a guy that's not completely inept defensively. Like, I'm not talking about Sandus Ozilich, I'm talking about like a like a like a Petrangelo. I mean, maybe not obviously not as good as him, but someone but someone that could play on your second pair. Everyone played. You know, uh not a hat. You're naming fucking top guys here. Well, they're play, they're not playing on the top pair in Vegas. Those guys are not all playing on the topic or play the most minutes. Transelo never played top pair in Fit Vegas, they play on the second pair.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

I guarantee you play 23 23 plus minutes for them. Doesn't matter. It's the same with like I'd keep Gabrikoff for Fox.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Everyone else, I would say he would either be in Hartford or expendable. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

So you know you have no problem trading Gabrikoff.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

No, I would keep Gabrikoff and Fox. Carson looks like he's going to Tampa Bay. That's what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

My sources. Just so you know, uh, Petri Angelo for Vegas, 24 and a half, 24 and a half, 24.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

That's what you need. You need you need a guy and a half, you need a guy that takes the minutes off of Fox.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

I'm saying Petriangelo played first pair.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

What did Theodore play and what did Hannafin play? I mean, look at those three defensemen. Do we have anything? Who's our number two? Gabricov is number two.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Is he is he better than Hannafin? Isn't he is he better than Theodore?

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Petroangelo played 22 and a half. Theodore played 22. Hannafin played 21 and a half. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

And for the Rangers, what what what was the what was the what was played 20? Okay, and for the Rangers, for the Rangers, what was their breakdown for their defenseman this year? Fox played 35 minutes, Gabriel played 30, and then who was the third highest? No Mario Ferraro. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that's too lazy. That's another name I don't want on this team.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Gabrick. Gabrikov played the most. Gabrikop played just on.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

No, it was Fox because Fox was hurt, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Or is that just this is time per game?

SPEAKER_02 33:04

That's again, Sean. Gaverkov should not be playing the most minutes. He is not a top 10 defenseman in the league. To be playing top minutes on your team.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

He's a top pair defense. That's what they signed him to be.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

He's a top, but he's is he is he better than Hanniffin, Theodore, or or uh Petrangelo? Honestly, I put your range of Coda Glass. No, no, I'm serious. What's your three of those guys over Gabrikoff?

SPEAKER_01 33:32

I'm thinking of the guy from LA. I'll put it to you that way. So I don't even have brain. No, I'm saying when Gabrikov is on LA in Columbus. So I'll use that instead of him thinking about him scoring 14 goals.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

I'm not talking about offensively. I'm not talking about offensively.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

I put him a notch below Hanniffan. He's not Jay Theodore or Pitcher Angel is a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_02 33:53

No, I know that. I'm and the only reason I'm saying that is they need to bring in a set a guy that could help Fox take some press take some minutes off of him. They do.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

That could put some offense up. Schneider was supposed to be that guy, and he has not been.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Was Schneider an offensive guy in juniors, though? Was he put a pitch offensive numbers? And we got a temporar enthusiast. I know we traded up to get Schneider, and I know that's probably another thing that pisses people off. But he was drafted at the the end of the first round.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

No, he's drafted 20. It's the middle of the first round. Okay. I thought no, he was drafted in a range that you're expecting something.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

All right. I I will, I don't expect, I didn't expect that much.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

Well, you never expect anything.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

No, I don't. Because why? We've always been disappointed. Jordan Greenwell's Greenway's also in the trade. So Byram and Greenway are both going.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

Let me answer your question here. So uh Schneider during his draft year had 42 points in 60 games. Okay. His next year he played still in juniors during the uh pandemic. He had 27 points in 22 games.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Listen, Sean, this just might be a ranger development issue.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

I don't believe in it.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Why don't you tell me why why the last few guys that have been dealt from here have gone on to have better careers?

SPEAKER_01 35:22

So you're I saw the same mistakes out of Keandre Miller and the Stanley Cup Finals. What was the difference then?

SPEAKER_02 35:28

Because he because they had a better team around him that could cover up his mistakes. He definitely have a better goalie. But he still made the same mistakes.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

So how did he get any better?

SPEAKER_02 35:37

I don't know. How come you were fucking raving about him in the playoffs? You're idiots, you're following morons on Twitter. But it's not ever, it's you telling the Elliott Friedman and all these guys are all idiots, and they're all five seconds, all somebody they watch highlights and they move on with their you.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Here's the thing whether I don't care if it's Elliot Friedman, I don't know. I wanted him gone too.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

So I'm not I wanted Howden gone, I wanted him gone. So I'm not gonna sit here and play Monday morning quarterback. Hold on, hold on. But I'm not the GM.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Rock, any of these national guys, they don't watch more than five fucking seconds of a game. They can't, they can't be everywhere around the league and still have a life and still do their reporting. So they have minions that tell them what's going on, you know, watch a highlight for two seconds, and they get on and they talk about it. It's a business. This is what these guys do. It's a business. I'm not saying that they're not insiders, they get information. But Elliot Friedman and Pierre LeBron and Darren Dreger and Dave Penol.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

What about the analysts that do the games? Eddie Olcek or or Penny Albert.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

You don't you don't you don't take their opinion seriously? They wax poetic. It's a national broadcast, they're not gonna shit on anybody. So when Keandre Miller is staring the wrong way as a fucking puck goes in front of the net and he's puck watching again, okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

I don't know. It's the same shit that we saw here. Well, then explain to me why Brett Howden has 14 goals in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

I listen, you I'm the one I'm the the lone fucking wolf on Brett Howden.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

You are, and you are, you are, you are me, Eddie, I'm sure Billy, half the people in our chat, everyone listening, we all wanted him gone because he had one goal and it wasn't even on the goaltender the year before.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

But I'm not the 25.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

I am not the general manager. I agree. Chris Trookie is the general manager, I agree. He traded a third for Ryan Reeves and then got a fourth for Howden. How does that fucking trade look now?

SPEAKER_01 37:33

I don't care about Ryan Reeves, but I care about but I care about him only getting a fourth round pick for Brett Howden. I care about him moving Brett Howden for no reason because he didn't need to, he didn't cost you anything.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

That is why now you are you now you all everyone can now get a clear glimpse. I've been talking about that offseason for two years. Now everyone's jumping on the bandwagon now, two years later. Why Drury has been fucking paranoid to make any more trades that don't involve picks? Trading just for picks. He's fucking paranoid, and now he has to win every trade. Every trade has to be a fucking win now. Projek has to be a grand slam.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Schneider has to be a grand slam. Now he's fucked.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Because he knows that he is going to get raked across the polls if he gets in, doesn't get an absolute call for the next bad player he trains. He's

The Case For Building Defense First

SPEAKER_02 38:40

fucked. It is what it is, and now he's fucking running scared. And everyone knows it.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

He's held on to everybody. He's held on to everybody way too long.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

What do we know? Really? I mean, we don't we don't know anything. In the grand scheme of things, we know nothing. We could all sit here and play Monday morning quarterback. You and I like the Goodrow move. Can't complain about the Goodrow move.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

So Blaine, yeah. Watching two minutes of highlights. No, listen, I I'm the first to admit I am not a draft prospect analyst. What else are you supposed to do? You're gonna start sitting here and watching all these. I think people that I trust and I read but I don't, I'm not going off of people who post shit on Twitter.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

Those aren't the people that I read and well Scott Wheeler has them taking schmitts.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

The two people that I trust that I and I'm open about are Russ Cohen and Steve Corneanos because those two people watch everything. They watch, they don't sit there and watch a highlight and run models and look at analytical nonsense and heat maps and flow charts and pie charts and these charts and those charts. They watch these fucking guys play. And I know Russ to an extent, Steve Steve sits there and watches these kids play since they're 16 years old and keeps he keeps his notes from the first time he watches these guys play. Right. And then continues to update those notes every single time he watches these guys play for two years before until they're drafted. So he I trust what these two guys, and they don't always agree on people. Don't get me wrong. You know, they they they have conflicting views on on certain players. So but these are the two guys that I trust. It's not, you know, Jim Bob, you know, season or whatever the fuck, yeah, you know, Twitter handle.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Well, let me ask you a quick question. Now that Buffalo has four, right? There's a this there's a very good chance that Chase Reed might be available at four at five. Okay. Are you are you comfortable taking Carol's or Schmidt's over Chase Reed?

SPEAKER_01 41:00

Carols, yes. I wouldn't take Schmidt's over. I wouldn't take Schmitz over Carol's. But that's me.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

If Chase Reed is available at five, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Here's my problem with Reed. He's right. No, I don't care about that. Okay. I wasn't sure if you're not going to be able to do that. My problem with Reed is that if he's not exceptional offensively, what is he? He's is he going to be Tony D'Angelo in the NHL? I don't think he's going to be back there defensively. Yes, he's 6'2. But if he's so to me, you're drafting him, and if he's anything less than a 65, 70 point defenseman, then why did you draft him fifth overall? He also needs to be, he also needs to go run your run your power play. Right. And even if he goes to college for two years, when he comes back, you know, when he finally signs and comes here, he's still not running the power play.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Well, in two years, what's what's Fox's contract? How many years does he have left? Does he have four years left or three years left right now?

SPEAKER_01 42:10

I think he has four years left. But okay. Let's be honest, I'm pretty sure Fox is gonna play here the rest of his career. I do. If he wasn't gonna be traded now, if he's in other words, if Fox is gonna go through the rebuild or retool, whatever we're gonna call this, then he's never leaving. No, I don't disagree with you. This would have been the time for him to leave.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

I just I'm just saying is what what if you what if this guy's the next Cal McCarr and you pass on him?

SPEAKER_01 42:37

I I get that, but that's that's what I'm worried about. He has so he has the highest ceiling and the lowest floor.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

Got it. So he could be Delzado or he could be Paul Coffey, and there's probably no in between.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

Whereas Carol's what about Zuboff? Oh, he's faster than Zuboff. Fox is Zuboff. And he doesn't smoke butts in the locker room. To me, Carol's Carols is is drafting Charlie McElvoy. He's you're drafting that type of guy.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

You're a big, you're a big Carol's guy. You you think you Carol's all things being equal, if there's no Chase Reed, there's no Stenberg, there's no Mel Holtra, you're taking Carol's. Those are the only three guys, and obviously McKenna. If there's no Stenberg, Mel Holtra, McKenna, you're taking Carol's.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

If I had the fourth overall pick and those three guys were gone, I'm taking Carol's. I knew that. I knew that.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

I knew that was your guy. And I'm not saying I'm right. You've been pumping him for a while. It's no, I know. I mean none of us know.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

That's who I feel I feel the safest taking.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

I feel I'm so scared that they're gonna get this wrong. But here's the thing but you gotta trust John Lilly. He hasn't had a pick this high. I mean, I I can't sit here and and right he found he grafted Perot and the Perot looks like he's gonna be a player. It's not If you look at some of his other drafts, he's he's he's made some when did John Lilly take over the draft? Let's look that let's look that up.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

Well let me just for the people who talk I'm gonna look I'm gonna look that some people who ever talk because I know we've done this on on a past show where I kind of broke down each of the defensemen and just my again my my amateur complete amateur thoughts on these guys and again it's from what I read and like you said Blaine watching two minutes you know five minute highlight reels of these guys just to see if what I read if I could also tangibly see it. Um Smith's as a player I like and I I like Smith's defense.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

I like what I've heard about him.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

So do I. I like what I've heard about him. I will I forever we'll we could we'll be doing the show in 10 years, Rock, and we'll be playing against Smith's in a playoff series. And I'll refer back to what I his interview that he did um going into the world championships or the oh into the yeah, into the world, the world juniors, where they asked him how he felt about going up against all the stud kids from Canada, and he's and he put it right back on the reporter, said they have to worry about me. And I thought that that was because the Europeans usually are very modest and you know, I'm just happy to be here type of guys, and he was not. He also played in the Olympics as an 18-year-old, he was the youngest, youngest player in the entire Olympics. Um, there's a lot to like with Smith's. I just feel the most comfortable with with Carol's. I think the floor of Carroll's is is Mark Stahl. I think that's the floor. Okay, his ceiling is Drew Dowdy.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

We need bigger than that. We need better than Mark Stahl showing. I'm not gonna say better than Mark Stahl. Listen, but the floor for anybody is a middle is a middle of the road player. I know. I'm just saying when you're drafting a guy fifth over, if you're drafting Mark Stahl, you know, you're drafted Mark Stall, what was Mark Stahl drafted at 12?

SPEAKER_00 45:52

12.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

Okay. Then then I'm all right with that. I'm all right with getting Mark Stahl at 12. I'm not all right getting Mark Stahl at five. I'm not. I'm sorry. I like Mark Stahl. I'm a I was always a big Mark Stahl fan. I I watched his very first game as a Ranger, a preseason game against the Islanders when he took three penalties, and even though he took three penalties, he still I said to myself, man, this guy's gonna play in the NHL. You just he just had a sense about the guy. Um, John Lilly took over the Rangers directing of player scouting in two in August of 21. So he did not was not the director for Othman for the 20 draft. Correct? Was he the director of the city? John Lilly became the Rangers director of amateur scouting in August, August 3rd of 2021.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

So he took over after Othman was picked. Othman was picked in July of 21.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

All right, so let's just give, let's just, for argument's sake, let's just look at some of so he so he was not involved in the 21 draft. So let's take that one out. Let's just look at his 22 draft. No first round pick. Socora, McConnell Barker, Lava, Mancini, Barbashev, Karpa. Socora's played in the league already and scored a goal. Lava's played in the league, Mancini's played in the league. So no first round pick. Out of the first four picks he had as the director of display of scouting, three of them have played in the NHL. Next year, Perot, Fortescue, Larson, Rubrik, Ty Hendricks. Two guys out of five picks are have now already played a game and have a point in the NHL. And then 24 is Emery, Bollard, Aspinall, who was what, second in the WHL in scoring?

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

For the Firebirds, Thunderbirds. Did he play on Green Tree's team? Liam Green Tree?

SPEAKER_01 47:55

Flint, yes.

SPEAKER_02 47:55

Yeah, Flint. Thank you. Uh I mean, and he looks like he's gonna be a pick. They only have four draft picks in 24. EJ Emery being the other one. So there's a chance that you could have another two guys that are gonna play in the NHL at some point. And then we'll obviously see about, you know, um the the 25 draft with Spence and Barnhill and Gonshar and those guys. But I mean, that's pretty freaking impressive for a guy that and this is gonna be the highs he drafted.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

He's only had look at you having some optimism here. You found something to be.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

I'm only saying, I'm only saying that I'm giving this guy an opportunity. Okay, thank you because he's the one that's making the calls, right? But you can't sit here as a ranger fan, Strong. We've sit here. If we sat here for 25-30 years without making the wrong pick, am I right or am I wrong? I'm not saying I mean they've had diamonds in the rough, Krider, Miller, you know, but we've also had we would. I don't want to you we already know the guys that they they've messed up on, but you know, in John Lilly, we trust we're gonna we have no choice.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Um uh Blaine. So yeah, so Blaine Verhoff night and day better than Carols. Watched them both in the dub. I mean, cat Verhoff in the WHL was dominant, that's why he was being talked about as maybe being the first overall pick.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

I like what I saw from Verhoff from the the videos that I saw, but then based off what I've read, he's he's definitely slipped. But he's not gonna he's not slipping out of the top ten.

SPEAKER_01 49:28

They call so here's here's what they say.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

They call still gonna go in the top, what, eight picks, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:32

Yes, they call it four-way motion as far as the skating, and it's not how fast can you skate, it's that that lateral the lateral movement, which is the most important thing kind of for a defenseman, is being able to move laterally to close gaps and everything like that. Um, he might be not Keandre Miller-esque,

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SPEAKER_01 49:55

but he might leave some something to something to be desired as far as defensive instincts, is what I've read. Okay, that doesn't mean that he can't fix it or can't learn from it or isn't a tireless worker. I I don't know, I don't know enough about him. Does he have the ability to be Alex Petrangelo? Yeah, sure does. You know, they they profiles that way again. This Verhoff, if you if we were talking in January, Verhoff was supposed to go second in this draft. He he was ahead of Stenberg, and it was just McKenna and then Verhoff, and that would have been one-two. So if the Rangers took Verhoff at five, I would 1000% trust that John Lilly did his homework, and that that's the guy that they that they like, and that's great, right? And it's the same with whether they take Reed, whether they take Carol's, whether they take Smith's. There's so much information out there. What would you let me ask you? One of these guys has been hidden or came from out of nowhere in the last, you know, it's this is this isn't by Tally Kraft, where he was quiet and had a huge playoff, and you know, wounds up winning rookie of the year for the KHL. And it was just he got he got hot for a month and moved up the draft boards, or Philip Heedle, who was a late riser up draft boards. All four of these guys have been talked about at nauseum the entire year. Did you say Kratzov? I'm saying Kratzov was a high riser.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. He was the last second. Yeah, track to Charlie Banks. I'll never forget that.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

So these are all guys that this you know that there isn't a there isn't a minute of their skates being on the ice that our scouring department hasn't watched, whether live or on tape. Right. And I'm sure that's night and day, all they're doing is breaking down tape of all four of these guys to make sure that that they come to a consensus on who they all feel is the best one.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

Would you trade, let me ask you a question. Would you trade Perot and Schneider for the second overall pick?

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

I thought you would.

SPEAKER_01 52:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 52:06

It's something that they won't do it. They won't do it.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

No, no, no. Nobody trades a top five. They've made their mind. They've made up their mind. I think, listen, I think number two was in play for the right deal. And San Jose made one of the most brilliant pivots to where they said, we're not going to pass up on the best player available. We're going to take him and we're going to get our defenseman by trading one of our wings.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

We'll draft the whether it's Jackson Rudolph or Matthew.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

No, but whoever they draft number two, if they if they traded with us and moved down from two to five, that wasn't helping them next season either. Except they were going to add whether it was Schneider or whoever. It wasn't enough. Look at the deal.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

The deal they got was great. San Jose has been bad for a while for a while now, and they've done it the right way.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Yeah. It's a shame we didn't have the RGM.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

I don't know. I don't know. I do, I just think that you know they didn't have a goaltender, they didn't have Fox, they didn't have, they didn't have, they didn't have what we have already. And until if you're unless you're gonna go nuclear, which the Rangers, you know, if they were gonna go nuclear, they they shouldn't have then they should have given Igor that contract. But once you give Igor that contract, then you have to try and win, then you gotta try to win. I mean that's I mean that's really all it comes down to at this point. Otherwise, there was no point. Then there was no point. So I don't know what they're gonna do. I don't. I wouldn't be Sean, I wouldn't be surprised if Trochek and Schneider are traded tomorrow, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're still here after July 1st. I think that I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

Listen, I I Trochek, I'm still 75% convinced he'll be moved. I'm less than 50% convinced that Schneider will be moved. I think that they are open to moving Schneider because the package you might get back could be substantial. And right now he's filling he's filling a you know a second pair defensive role, and he hasn't fully fulfilled it yet. He played 20 minutes a night last year, but again, hasn't really eclipsed that 20 to 23-point plateau. Yeah, and he and he's not someone who's gonna run their second power play. So how old is Schneider now?

SPEAKER_02 54:20

He's the same as La Ponier, right? Yeah, 24.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

Hey, listen, we've seen defensemen Schneider turns 25 just before the season starts. So next year will be his age 25 season, which for a defenseman is still young-ish. Yeah, I mean, we see these guys that that we only defensemen forwards. Usually kind of know what you got by 23, 24. Yeah, but we see plenty of defensemen not fully develop until they're in their mid-20s. So we'll see. He, I mean, he's not a guy you really want to give up on, and he's not putting up offensive numbers to where he he's gonna outprice himself if you wanted to sign him. Like Keandra Miller put up 40 points. Yeah, you had to pay him.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

You have the money to pay him, too, Sean. I mean, if you really if you I mean they have the money to to sign him, I mean, right, even if they just gave him another one year, another one-year deal.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

I would I to me it's you commit or move him.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

Well, what are you committing? Are you committing two years? Are you committing five years, six years?

SPEAKER_01 55:27

No, nobody signed. There's nobody who signs two million two-year deals unless they want to get to free agency. Which why would Schneider want to get to free agency?

SPEAKER_02 55:35

Well, this is his this is his contract after his entry-level deal, right? Not his entry-level deal. This this is his contract. He had his entry-level deal, and then he had a two-year deal after that, and this is his next deal.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

So he's he's either gonna sign or he's gonna go to free agency.

SPEAKER_02 55:50

What are you giving him? What are you giving him? What can you what can he realistically ask for? Five billion, six million?

SPEAKER_01 55:59

I was gonna say five with the cap percentage the way it is now. He might get a five by five. Or a six by six years.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

I I think he's gonna hold out. I think he's gonna he's gonna look for more than that.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

But it's it's hard for him to do because he hasn't put up offensive.

SPEAKER_02 56:14

Well, that's why I'm wondering if he'll do he would just do another bridge deal.

SPEAKER_01 56:19

But I'm saying if I'm the Rangers, I look to either lock him up for five, six years, or I make my decision to move on. I don't want to play the game, and I want to get him locked up now.

SPEAKER_02 56:32

The thing with Drury, and the thing we've seen with him, is when he wants to sign a guy, he signs them. No? No, I agree. So I don't think he wants to sign this guy. I think he wants to move on.

SPEAKER_01 56:51

Is he a free agent now?

SPEAKER_02 56:54

He's an RFA.

SPEAKER_01 56:58

So were we able to sign him during this during the season? Sure, he's an RFA. Last year?

unknown 57:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:03

No, I'm saying during the last time.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

You can sign him from July 1st, the previous year. Yeah, we we know Blaine.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

We've uh Robertson is signed for this year. He's not he's not an RFA.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

I thought we were talking about Schneider.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

Oh my I'm looking at the wrong fucking guy looking at me. Yes, he's an R he is an RFA.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

My bad. Wow. Robertson's contract is freaking money.

unknown 57:36

Right.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

So the amount for the amount that he played and as well as he played last year, 750k. You know, I I I guess if you look at the defense, I mean what what's the defense as of right now? It's Fox Gavrakov, Morgan, Borgan, Schneider, Schneider, Robertson, Robertson, and Fortescue, right? And Vakinine is the seventh defenseman.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

Or Iorio, either one.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

Yeah. I wonder if they're gonna qualify him. I wonder if they're gonna qualify him. I mean, he's already been on four teams. I mean, I I would assume they should qualify him and hope they need they need depth in Hartford. Hartford is awful. They are god-awful. And get ready, get ready for those Hartford depth signings, guys, because look at Hartford's defensive lineup. It is bad. It's Jackson Dorrington and a no one.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

Would you uh would you sign Jacob Truba? Oh my god. That would be hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 58:42

I don't know where he's going.

SPEAKER_01 58:43

I'll give you a name. I'll give you a name that would make sense.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

With a left left shot second pair defenseman?

SPEAKER_01 58:50

Who? Rasmus Anderson.

SPEAKER_02 58:54

We're not gonna make it. He's staying in Vegas.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Yeah, he's a right shot guy. No, he's not staying in Vegas.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

You don't think Rasmus Anderson is staying in Vegas? No. I think you're dead wrong. I think why do you think no? I don't think Petra's coming back. I think that's why they're trying to move Hurdle so they can sign Anderson.

SPEAKER_01 59:13

He wasn't great for them. I'd be shocked. I honestly I'd be shocked if he was back.

SPEAKER_02 59:18

Why if he wasn't good for Vegas, I don't want him here. If you can't play in that market, Sean, then you can't play anywhere. There are there are four markets Carolina, Vegas, Tampa Bay, Florida, where players just blossom. Just all of a sudden, they just get better. Bad everywhere else. But when they play in those four markets.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

I gotta hear the why you hate Mario Ferraro.

SPEAKER_02 59:47

I just think he's one-dimensional.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

He's small.

SPEAKER_02 59:51

He's also very small, too, right?

SPEAKER_01 59:53

I don't think he's I think he's I think he's still six foot.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

I thought he's under six foot. I thought he was under six foot.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

He's six foot two oh nine. So he's a fire hydrant.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:05

I don't know. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan. San Jose needs defensemen. Why are they letting him go?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

You just hate Italians.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

Again, we haven't had luck with Ferraros here either.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

Would you sign Tony D'Angelo?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

I would. I'd give him a one-year deal. But fuck it. Bring Zuccarello, D'Angelo. Is Domestikov on there? Can we say bring him back? He could be our fourth line center. That's it. Problem solved. Just bring back everyone we traded at the first letter. Bring them all back. Georgiev is our backup goalie.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

Smitty Smith back.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:43

Smitty, of course. Smitty.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

Maybe he can play wing.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:47

Yeah, why not? It's versatile. It's too why Stu Pickle's at a free agent still. Or Steve Aminger. Imagine. Remember that they had a fucking Steve Eminger playing the fucking wing in a playoff game?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

Remember it very well.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:02

Oh my god. What are we doing? And Smitty.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Do we another name that I've heard out there? Um, you like Mario Ferraro? I don't know enough about him. I can't sit there and say I've watched.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:17

You think you're winning a cup with that? I mean, I

Winger Targets And Bad Trade Prices

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

you think you know a little bit more about him.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

What's what are his point totals? I I know that he can skate. What are his point totals? I know that he can hit, and I know he can move the puck. He's not, he's not a sticky Johnny Lazarus.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

Loves this guy. Ferraro? Yeah, he he I he he must be friends with him, like outside of because he talks to Mario Ferraro all the time, so he must know something.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

So let's see, Mario Ferraro.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

Last year win a cup with that guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

So he's very much Braden Schneider-esque. 23 points, 17 points, 21 points, 11 points, and then the first three years of this club.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

You heard of him on Twitter? I know him very well. Yeah, is he reliable? No, right? No, he's definitely reliable. Okay, he's I believe the sables will hold on to the fourth pick and target the center.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:20

If Maholtra is gone, look for Vigo Bork to be the panther.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:25

I mean, Vigo Bjork is the perfect Buffalo Saber because he's under six feet. And they love small skilled players. That's all they've drafted for the last five years is small skilled players.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:41

So Skinner? Jeff Skinner.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:45

Jeff Skinner's from 15 years ago. No, no, it's fucking around.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

Uh, how big is Benson?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The Zach Benson's of the world. That's that's what they keep drafting.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

Yeah, again, I don't know. Is Chase Reed gonna turn into who was the defenseman that slid? Oh god, who the fuck was the guy? You said Seth Jones only slid three spots. Yeah, but there was another defenseman, I thought, another offensive defenseman that slid. Quinn Hewitt slid. Well, Cam Fowler slid too. Cam Fowler slid, Sean.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

Yeah, but looking, you have to you have to keep this within like the last five to seven years. Of course. Post COVID, there's just so much more information. Every year, there's more information than there was the last year.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

Don't worry, Sean. Uh uh, Rob, uh Ryan Reeves is gonna have a job in the organization. Director of player development, 100, yeah, skills coach, skating coach, skating coach, the new Reg Grant. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

I can't. I want I want five mobile, tough, puck moving defensemen. I want guys who who aren't afraid to clear the crease, who aren't afraid to battle in the corners and win puck battles.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:10

What would Mario did? You look up Mario Ferraro's uh numbers?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

I'm looking at very much the same as Schneider.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:18

Point wise.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:19

Then I'll keep it Schneider. Why am I bringing this guy in?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

This guy's a left hand of the shot.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:25

Yeah. I don't know. These kind of these kind of moves never work for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:35

But it also depends on cost. Uh what is I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

Am I getting never work for them?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

In other words, am I getting Ferraro for so he'll be 28 in September? Right.

unknown 1:04:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:44

So am I getting him, am I signing him for four or five years? I would say am I getting him for under six million? Am I getting him for am I able to get him for five million a year times four years, or am I being unrealistically low?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:58

I'm being, I think being I think he's gonna get big more term. Yeah, he's never been a plus player ever. That team, oh, in fairness, that's I mean, one, I mean, how many seasons? Not one season. What's the rest of the season? Minus 31, minus 38, minus 25. And on the team was better last year, he was a minus one.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:19

What was the rest of the team? They gave up a lot of goals still last year. No, you're right. They scored a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:23

Let me let me just look at let me look at let me go back to let me go look, let me look back to 22, 23. That that team is bad, right? So this 22, just the same. That was David Quinn. That was David Quinn. And I wouldn't put a bad sub if it's a David Quinn guy, I I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he's on the team.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:40

Dmitry Orlov was a minus 28 last year for the same team.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

I just want to see what yeah, that that San Jose team that were bad. Everybody was a minus. Logan Couture, Hurdle, Timo Meyer.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:53

Celebrini, who had 115 points, was only a plus eight.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

Oh, Jacob Megna was on. That team, he was a plus six, he was the only guy. Um, yeah, they were bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

Yeah, and that was last year where they're actually, like you said, yeah, he was a minus 15 his first year.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

And uh why were they 15? Oh, is this the shortened season? 15 and 16. I'm not playing 30 games. I'm just curious, like, why they only played so such a few. Oh no, they played 70 games. He was a rookie, and they were all minor, they were all minus two. That that just seems bad, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

Yeah, so I can't go by plus minus on that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:32

Oh, because Bob Boogner took uh the board took over for Bob Bogner, or Boogner took took over for the board. That's what happened. Um, yeah, I I don't know. I I just feel like those type of guys and those type of contracts, they just don't ever age well for the Rangers. I feel like it's always a mistake, and they're always in there be looking to get rid of them. Like already, I mean, already people want to get rid of Morgan. You know, he's one year into a contract, and already they're looking to bail on him.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

It's it's it's ill-informed people who just they watch, they they just they love their flow charts.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:07

To be fair, Borgan was not good last year.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

In the beginning, nobody was good. Me, according to the defensive, according to the defensive metrics, he was the top defensive defensive in the league.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:22

He got hurt last year, though, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:24

So that that could probably be why.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:27

And again, you're not paying him much.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:29

No, he's a four, he's a he's gonna be your third pairing defenseman, which is fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:33

So I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that too.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:37

But now I'll tell you right now, if Chase Reed is available, Sean, man, oh man, if they pass on him and he turns out to be McCarr, I don't care if Carol's turns out to be freaking Ryan McDonough.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:52

Nobody's McCarr. Nobody in the draft is Cal McCarr.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:56

Well, did they know Cal McCar was Cal McCarr when he was drafted after high school then?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:02

Fair.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:05

I mean, I just I heard Brock Besser's name mentioned. What do you think about reuniting him with Miller?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

Not the worst thing in the world.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:19

What are you giving up, though? I I mean I I take it for free. I'm not giving anything of value.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

You'd have to give up two first round picks again.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:25

No way. They're looking to dump you about that. They're looking to be bad. I'm not giving away first two first round picks again. Oh, then you're not getting no way.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:34

Well, then you ain't getting no coke.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

Nope. No way.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:37

You ain't paying no 50 75 cents, then you ain't getting no coke. Someone will get that reference. You're not a golf guy, so you wouldn't get not a caddyshack guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:49

I am, but I don't remember that that that uh that line.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:53

But oh yeah, Newton's behind the counter. Yes, yes I ain't paying no 75 cents for no coke. Well, then you ain't getting no coke.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:00

I I was thinking more about when the line in the movie Doc Hollywood uh with Michael Chick. When Doc Hope shows up and and he and he's he gets he gets told him to get the guy Coke. We need to treat treat this with Coke Coca-Cola or Bisquick. We need to treat him with real medicine. And they tell us that'll be 65 cents.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:21

Doc Hollywood. Doc Hollywood has made a reference.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:25

I like that movie. That's one of the first worst, one of the first movies I saw my myself in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

Yep, same. I saw the movie theater. Um but uh who was I just trying to look up here? Oh, um Doc Besser.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:38

I mean, I trade, I would trade our late round pick for him, the second pick. And I would do maybe a top 10. I'm not trading two first-round picks for him.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:49

Brock Besser was a minus 48 last year.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:51

Oh my god. Well, they were really bad. I mean, they were the worst team in hockey by like a mile. What were his what were his offensive numbers? Forget about forget about the plus minus.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:01

48 points in 75 games.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:02

Oh my god, that's bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

He didn't have a good year. Two years ago, he was excellent. Yes, we played with Miller. I'm sorry, three years ago. Yeah, he had 40 goals again. But he's never how old is he? Uh 29. He'll be like next year, we'll be his age 29.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:21

I just I just think I listen, if you're going for if you were going for it, if you were trying to win a cup, then that would be a guy that you would like, all right. Well, let's see if we bring him in here and let's see if we can catch lightning in the bottle. Yeah, he's been looking for me. No, I'm not I'm not giving anything of substance up for him. You wanted me to give him to me for free, I'll take him.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:40

Rock best extremely hot start to his career, and then fizzled because he kept getting hurt. And other than the year where everybody on Vancouver went nuts, was that the year Miller scored 100? They both had him and Pedderson both had 100 points. Besser had 40 goals and 73 points. Then he went back to 25 and 25, and last year was 22 and 26. He's a he's a 50 point, he's a 50-point wing. That's it. I'm not saying I wouldn't take him, like you said, but I heard I heard today two first rounders to get him. And I'm not doing that up. I'm not giving that up. And when I say I heard that today, that's listening to NHL radio. So it's not anything substantiated. And you don't know what Vancouver's looking to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:35

I don't know what the Rangers are looking to do. Let alone Vancouver.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:39

That's also true.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:40

You know, Neil Smith, again, I I I trust his he's kind of become very jaded in his in his rangers' opinions over the years. But I heard a quote from him, he was on Cerny's podcast, and he said, Cerny said to him, like, he goes, 'I goes, I don't know what direction the ranges are going in.' No, they're kind of in like no man's land right now. They are. And he's not wrong. I'm like, you just don't know what they're going to do. And we're just going to go out and tread water and waste Igor's prime. I I just I just don't know what their plan is. And Igor's not like Hank, Sean. Igor's had injuries. Right. Igor has not been like this picture of health. I mean, he could wake up tomorrow and be done. So I I don't really know. I mean, I I think I think you got, what do you think? Four more years of like elite level goaltending or more?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:39

No, four. Assuming he stays healthy for.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

And again, you don't need him to save you every game. I mean, we just seen what freaking Brandon Butsey for crying out loud has is a Stanley Cup champion. I mean, you don't need your goalie. If you play the right way, you don't need your goalie to be freaking, you know, Jacques Plant.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:02

Well, if Dryden, you could win with Brandon. Well, Brandon Bussey in fairness also fucking played really damn good.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:08

It was a fine. So did Freddie Anderson.

Who Stays On The Blue Line

SPEAKER_02 1:13:10

No, he was terrible. Then how did they win 16 fucking games?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:14

Who did they play? They played three teams going into that series that had zero combined playoff series wins in the last five years. Zero. All three teams, zero. The Philadelphia Flyers were were neck and neck.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:30

The last time the Flyers, the last time the Flyers were in the in the Stanley Cup with the playoffs, was it when we played them in 14?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:36

No, they've been in since then.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:38

Oh, they definitely because they were really good in the um a few years ago, right? Uh I forgot what team that was.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:46

Montreal, Montreal made their run to the finals in the bubble. And there was only two players left from that team that played on this year's team.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:55

What Brandon Gallagher and Suzuki.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:58

Suzuki.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:58

Josh Anderson wasn't on that team?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:00

No. So technically three because they reacquired um Dano at the trade deadline. Yeah. So it's not like that team. Nobody on that on any of those teams had any, you know, that those teams had not won. You had who they play in the first round? Carolina. They played Ottawa, right? Oh god. Ottawa doesn't want to fucking think. Stink. So they they they swept Philly. Philly's Philly, who was just on cloud nine by winning a playoff season.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:31

All bad goal. All teams are bad goaltending too. All teams are bad goaltending.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:36

It was the big and even Vegas is even Vegas' goaltending is big. Which what did I say before the season started?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:40

And how does Carolina lose games when they play elite goaltending?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:44

What did I say before the season started?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

Carolina's the best team in the East by far.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:50

Just get in because the Metro sucks.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:54

Well, I think that's what the Rangers are going to probably try to try to do right here.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:57

Right. Just get in because the Metro sucks. And then they play Montreal in the Eastern Conference Finals. Montreal gave them at least a little bit of pushback. And that was because their goalie's really good. But that Montreal team was they that was a really good year for them. They're all really young. Slavkowski's in his third year, Caulfield's third, fourth year. You know, guys, first taste of making that type of run. Against a team who's done this every single year. Vegas, the same thing. Vegas was battle tested. They've played a worn-out, injured Colorado team.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

And that's how they all those teams. Carolina won the cup. And this is kind of kind of more of a sour grace, but I don't give a shit. The West teams were all better. All those top four teams were better. They all beat the shit out of each other. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:00

Well, the three teams beat the shit out of each other, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:02

Yeah. And then they were done. They were done. They were nothing left. And Carolina had the easiest road to the finals that we've ever seen in our in our in our lifestyle, in our lifetimes. And they took advantage of it. And you know what? Good for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:18

Fuck them and smile.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:19

Is what you're right. You don't give it back. You don't give the cup back. God bless. No. Congratulations. I mean, look at the Rangers.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:25

They played their stay on the cup final in the Eastern Conference final when they won. I mean, the Devils were a million times better than Vancouver. We talked about that. I mean, they were so much better. It wasn't even funny.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:36

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:36

But, you know, I mean, the Rangers obviously should have they should have swept them. But if it were for Kirk McLean in game one, they would have. But it is what it is. Um what else?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:50

Are you signing Andrew Peak? Is that a guy that piques your interest?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:54

Are you being facetious? Because I have no idea who I know. I uh didn't wasn't and Andrew Peak didn't he play years ago? Did he play for Washington?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:03

No, it's Bruins.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:05

Oh. There was a guy that was on P named was Peak and he played for Washington like years ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:11

No, this guy was Columbus for a bunch of years in Boston the last three years. Yeah. No, I don't know who he is. So you're out on you're out on Peak.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

I don't listen, I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm out on anybody. You know, it is what it is. I mean, I I don't know what the best thing to do is. Best thing that that happened to Carolina was who's I'm making a plate. I'm who I don't know. What is that? You don't understand that reference?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:41

Who's Flores? I'm making a plate. Don't know it.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:46

Yeah, I don't get it either. And Joe's gonna have to explain that to me. To us.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:50

Follow up, Joe.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

Yeah, I um I mean, I'm just surprised that all these moves. I guess all these moves, do all these moves, are they like correlating from something? Like all these teams in on who's the first move that was made today? Who's the first trade that was made today?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:09

Wasn't Cairo, was it?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:11

No. Someone before that, wasn't it? Was the Eklund trade before that? Were all these teams in on Eklund and then like everything, everyone kind of pivoted? I mean, to see four trades like that. Was it four trades?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:23

Or was it or was it the second overall pick that they were all in on? And once they realized the second overall pick's not gonna get moved because I want to see the date on this.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:34

Chris Johnson, I'm gonna make sure the date that I read this right. He said that the second overall picks he thinks might still be in play.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:42

I can't imagine they wouldn't have made this move if that were the case.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:45

Well, they still need a defenseman.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:46

No, that's so uh some Simone Nevic was the first trade today. So it was Nemich, then it was Eklund, then it was Kairu, then it was Byron.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:56

Yeah, maybe I don't know. Maybe they were in on Nemich, and I don't know. I I don't know, I don't get it. I don't I don't understand why why today was the day that everyone started making trades.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:08

Well, no, on uh Monday was or Sunday. Yeah, well the the the the Kachuk trade to then get the pick to get Kachuk.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:20

Yeah, uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:22

Yeah, the uh the the Kessel Ring trade. Yeah, that's true, good point. 17th, yeah. There's been moves, but today was the first the first you know breakout day.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:34

Yeah, I'm talking about like four trades in one day. I mean, that's not making the playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:40

We only got two more days before the draft, man. This is uh teams are are positioning themselves, but again, it's if you're the Rangers, how can you really know what you're doing until you move Trochek or or opt not to?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:55

Because I do believe they have 30 million dollars in cab space, so they could do really do whatever the fuck they want, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:00

So I do believe in when when Drury said I I don't need to move them unless some someone meets my price, I believe them. Yeah, I know that that Trochek hired the agent, and that's to you know shake, you know, shake some stuff loose and get get teams to to anti up, you know, and gauge interest and put his interest out to certain teams, yeah. And maybe a team's willing to spend a little more if they know how much the player wants to come to them, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:31

Well, I I get I guessing it's I maybe until Larkin's traded, maybe they won't. But I I don't see Larkin getting, I mean, again, he could be traded tomorrow. I don't I don't know. The right move, the right pros, the right package needs to come about. You know, I wonder if Larkin would go to San I don't know if I mean San Jose. Second overall pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:54

I don't want to imagine them doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:55

Yeah, but they don't they don't really need a center, right? I mean, I guess you could always use one. Everyone could use a center. I guess they don't really need that. I'm just trying to figure out like where like what would entice Detroit enough. I mean, you're giving up, I mean, it's a team giving up three first-round picks. Buffalo. No, he's not going there. He has no movement clause.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:17

Why would he not go to Buffalo?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:18

Larkin?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:20

Does anyone want to go to Buffalo?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:22

Buffalo just became good.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:25

I don't, does it matter? Carolina was good, and and both Ketz Kent's uh Gensel and Ranton left.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:33

You don't think Buffalo's a much better hockey market than Carolina?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:36

I don't think I don't think it has to do with the hockey market. I think it's the city. Who the hell wants to live in Buffalo?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:42

But still, nobody wants to go to Raleigh. Who chose Raleigh other than Jordan Stahl? Ealers. It's a rare thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:50

I know it's a rare thing. You're right. It's a cowardly. I'm sorry. To me, it's a cowardly thing. It's good. You can go down there and just play in complete anonymity. But he didn't. And that's why. And then and let me let's just talk about Brady Kachuk for a second. He's a fucking coward, too. Oh, we can he is a fucking coward. You know what, bro? Sack up and carry your own fucking team and not go to a team that your bet your big brother already won on. Fucking coward.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:18

I I I get both sides. I am a coward why he would want to go play with his brother. I get it. A yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:27

Basically, has you don't want to lead your own team? You want to go in the coattails of a team that already won two cups? That's not a leader. I agree. That's a coward. I'm glad he I'm glad we didn't get him now. Yeah, no, it's like I said after after I initi my initial anger, after you and I spoke, I thought about it. I sat down and said, you know what? Fuck him. He's a coward. I don't want cowardly guys. We already have a cowardly GM. We don't need more cowardly players on this team.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:55

And I completely agree because to me it's yeah, it's tax-free. He's he's already been the Florida Panthers' biggest cheerleader in the playoffs the last uh the last three years. You know, it it seemed almost inevitable that he would go there at some point, and so that's the route he took. Yeah, it's tax-free, and it's you know, the nice weather of Florida, and I'm sure there were a lot of appealing things, but for his career, going there, even as even from Florida's so I I've read a lot today about super teams, and now Florida's a super team because they added Kachuk, and I'm like, how much does this really benefit them? He's not going there and changing a locker room. The locker room, that locker room is already there. That that's already an established room that plays an immensely physical style of hockey. So he's not going there. He fits perfectly as far as their style, sure. But he's not adding to it. So you take the intangible stuff out of out of the picture for him. Yeah, he's a 30 goal scorer, but he's not gonna probably play on their first power play. You you're gonna throw one of those guys off that's been on that power play unit for the last three, four years, that's won two cups. So he's not gonna make the impact there. Is he that much better? Like Samuscavich gave him 14 goals last year. You figure Kachuk's gonna score 30, maybe 35. That's an extra 20 goals that that team will score this season based off of that swap. You know, because they gave up Sam Miscavich, they're replacing him with Kachuk. Does that when I think super team, again, I think back to you know, originally, you know, Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen going to play with the you know uh the Rockets

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with the Rockets.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:51

Yeah, that's basketball. Basketball to be you could have super teams. I don't think you can have super teams in in the other sports, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:57

Because there's too many players that factor.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:59

I mean, the 98 Yankees were, I guess, and if you look the 2009 Yankees, those I mean, those were some.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:04

Yeah, those are some super teams.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:06

A lot of those players were homegrown. I mean, let's be honest, a lot of the Florida Panthers team's not home, are not a homegrown team. No, neither is Vegas, which is fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:13

You don't need to be a homegrown team.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:14

But I mean, Vegas, I mean, if you want to say Vegas, I mean, between Mark Stone and Eichel and Petrangelo and Hanaffin and Hurdle, I mean, they got all those guys. I mean, I guess you could classify them as homegrown. They're not homegrown.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:33

Right, they're not.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:34

I said you can classify them as a super team. They got all those guys from other places. So may I may, I mean, maybe I mean it's not a it's not a now that I think about it, it maybe.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:48

But they only I mean to me, a super team is when you have these these players collude to all go play somewhere. Oh, well, to me, that's like LeBron, Bosch, Wade, like they all talked that offseason and agreed we all want to play together. Which one of our teams are we gonna go to? Is Wade gonna force himself out of Miami to go play in Cleveland with LeBron and Bosch is gonna sign up sign with Cleveland, or are they all just gonna go play in South Beach together? And that's that's what they wound up doing, yeah. So it was it was a colluded effort. So that's the thing with this whole team USA thing. Are these guys colluding to take less and force their way and do all these you know maneuvering to go all go play somewhere together? So to me, that's what a super team is, and I don't see that necessarily happening here. I think he wants to go play with his brother. Now, if Connor Hellebuck and Dylan Larkin and Zach Werensky all somehow find their way onto onto the Florida Panthers, then we can start talking about shit like that. Yeah, yeah. Uh I don't know. And Hellebuck could still possibly happen. That's the scary part. All right, they're not signing Babrowski, they have nine million in cap room.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:06

They sought to move somebody else to get to get they'd have to they'd have to move somebody. You don't have any first-round picks.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:13

No, but what they would have to do is move somebody in order to get them to eat some salary, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:19

And it seems like the player that everybody wants is Lindell.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:22

Lundell, which they'd be dumb to move. He's already proven himself to be better than anyone you're gonna trade him for.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:28

So I agree, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:29

I think even more upside. So I thought about that. I'm like, what if the Rangers can trade Trochek and the 20 and and something else to get Lundell? Because I would add to Trochek just to get Lundell. That's how good I think he is. But why is why is Winnipeg trading Halibuck?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:44

Because he wants out. Oh, he wants out. Then why the fuck did you sign an extension for?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:51

So the notion is that a lot of these team USA guys, since they've gone back to their Canadian markets, have been treated like shit locally. And they're happy about it. Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense then. I don't know if it's true, if it's false.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:07

It's just that's I could definitely see how I could definitely see Halibuck getting treated treated like shit. He's freaking one the won the freaking thing for them.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:16

Single-handed congressional medal of freedom.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:19

I know. I mean, could you imagine? Why couldn't you do that for us, asshol? Meanwhile, the guys were.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:33

How funny would that be? Yeah. What do you think Dilly Gareth would say? I'm never gonna play. I'm never gonna play, am I? Never gonna get a chance. Yeah, it's good. We saw that. He showed enough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:49

He showed enough.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:51

And I wonder, I wonder if they tanked. I wonder if they knew he was good and said, you know what? We're not winning anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:59

Well, they got punished because they didn't get the third overall pick, they got the fifth overall pick. So if they did tank, then they got punished for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:06

Yeah. But I wonder, I I wonder if they if this surprised them that Goran was this good.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

I'm wondering if but Garant had bonus. But I thought they wouldn't matter. They had all the cap space. They didn't really didn't really matter to them, right? No. I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:22

So would you sign truba or not?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:23

No. I'm not trading shine truba. Anyone with the last name Shea or Ferraro?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:29

You're the Truba guy. That's that is your guy. Nobody loved Jacob Truba like Rock.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:35

I love Truba. Yeah. I did. I I don't think he got a fair shake here. I think he gave everything he could. Um Morgan Riley's agent, JP Barry, has submitted a list of four teams, Western uh Western-based teams Riley be willing to go to. So he wants out. Well, they just signed Radish. How does Austin Matthews feel about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:58

They just got Radish to take that spot.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:01

Yeah, but was really Morgan Riley a quarterback? That's another mistake. I mean, talk about teams that just don't can't get out of their own way. You talk about giving a guy money at 30 years old based off of one good year on a great team. I mean, that's stupid. Listen, I keep hoping they keep making mistakes. Maybe we'll get Austin Matthews. I hope they keep making mistakes like this. I just want the Rangers to stay salary clap flexible enough that if a big piece becomes available that they can pounce on him. But they are still gonna have to have a guy force his way here. They're gonna need a Rick Nash, Sean. I mean, think about what was the last player the Rangers acquired that didn't really force his way here. I mean, Brad Richards forced his way here. I know he's a free agent, but he had bigger offers from other teams. Um, you know, Marty St.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:57

Louis forced his way here. Not a bad thing. You actually you almost act like that's a bad thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:02

No, I'm just saying, like they were good though. They were good. They were good.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:11

I haven't heard that one before. I like that. I don't get it. Chris Dre just sitting on the couch doing nothing. Oh, Chris.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:18

Okay, that's a good one. I like that. Um, I'm just saying, like, it's been a while since the Rangers made a trade for a guy that didn't really force his their way here. I mean, Miller forced his way here. I mean, I'm just saying, it's been a while. Yeah, trade, trade. I get it. For a guy that didn't really force his way here.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:37

Well, Jack Roslovik didn't force his way here. Oh, God. He should be. Wittenberg didn't. Andrew Kopp didn't force his way here.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:43

Well, those are trade deadline trades for UFAs. Um yeah, Patrick Kane did. He did.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:51

I got no problem with that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:52

I have no problem with it either. That's the problem right now is they're not they're not good enough. And that's why I said, you know, maybe, you know, maybe they they, you know, they have a better season. Team, you know, players see like, well, you know what, maybe it was just uh an anomaly that the team kind of folded like that. Fox was hurt, ego was hurt, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And and maybe you get somebody to want to come here. But to me, I think the the more realistic way is you're gonna have to find like this 24, 25-year-old controlled player, and you're actually gonna have to make a fucking hockey trade.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:30

It is being reported, and don't know how legit this is, but 12 and a half million by seven years for Bowen Byron. 12 and a half million by seven years.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:46

Fox's contract doesn't look so bad anymore, huh?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:49

Sure, it does not. That's a lot. I I like Byron, but he has yet to. What are his point totals? He's never played in the role he's should be playing in, and that's you're paying him to be your number one guy in all situations.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:09

12 and a half million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:11

Yeah, he kept he keeps getting he keeps getting stuck behind people. So Bowen Byrum had he played 22 minutes a night. He had 42 points, 11 goals, 31 assists last year.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:30

What were the portals? I'm sorry, I'm trying to find this.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:32

He had 42 points. He only had seven points on the power play. So that's all pretty much all five on five.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:45

Oh, yeah, that's Pinota. He's he could be hit or miss. He can be hit or miss.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:52

So, I mean, he was stuck behind Makar, obviously, on the power play. Who?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:59

Patrick Kane's a UFA.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:01

We know one person who would line it up for him.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:03

Oh, you know it. He'll be listening, he'll he'll he'll chime in tomorrow when he listens to this.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:07

You put Patrick Kane on the line with JT Miller.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:13

I think if they don't make make a big swing, it's gonna be that type of guy. But I would have put with the free agent class, Sean is so bad. You know, Lyne might get a multi-year deal.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:24

You don't think Patrick Kane's going back to Chicago?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:27

He might now. He should. I would.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:31

I think he should.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:32

But he said he wants to win a cup. That's why I don't understand why he went to Detroit, unless Detroit was the only team that offered him a substantial amount of money. I mean, Pat, you made a ton of money. Go down to Tampa. I mean, go go to a team. I mean, uh, maybe he doesn't feel he's gonna get the playing time. He needs the puck. We saw it, we witnessed it firsthand.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:58

I don't know. What about Terasenko for one year? I'm not I'm I would rather Kane than Tarasenko. Tarasenko's younger. Kane's 37. How old is Terasanko?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:09

I thought Terasenko was younger. 36.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:14

Yeah, right. Uh 34. Yeah, Kane produced a lot more than Tarasanko did. Tarasanko had 47.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:25

Talk about a guy that went for the money. But man, Florida got got they need what they needed out of him and they moved on.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:36

I don't know. I'm not against Kane, depending on the rest of the stuff they do. Which might be nothing. Again, if you signed Kane, let's devil's advocate here. You signed Kane to a one-year deal, right? Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:48

And you use the rest of your cane want to play on a team.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:52

You use the rest of your assets. Now you're right, like your cap and you know, you make some moves. And you really build up that defensive core. And you have your bottom six is gonna go out there. You know, if you have Cooley, Cartier, Lobber's your third line,

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SPEAKER_01 1:36:10

the other kids with Stenland or someone like that on the fourth line. You have Kane, Miller, you sign another UFA, whether it's Patrick Lyne or who's another. Let me just really quick look for somebody that I could see. Yeah, I'm starting to fade here. Yeah, so am I. That's why I'm trying to do this quick. Uh Jaden Schwartz. Jaden Schwartz with Miller and Kane as a second line. I'm not saying you're winning a cup. No, you're definitely not. But you're telling me I can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:45

All you're doing, Sean, is just biding the time for your. I mean, but here's the problem. When you bring anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:53

Oh, geez. You want to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:56

That guy's fucking jacked. Have you ever seen that? His fucking leg? I have. I was like, what the hell am I looking at? I know you rob, you're the second guy that's brought up Zuccarello.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:06

Zuccarello?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:08

I I wouldn't against them.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:09

I'm not against it.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:10

I said him. They're gonna bring everyone back. They're gonna bring him to play top six wing. They're gonna bring D'Angelo to play on the second penal uh power play. And they're gonna bring the Mystical to be their fourth line center. What about David Tulvan? He's another one that's failed everywhere he's gone. I mean, I guess for the right deal, where is he? He's not a top six guy. The Rangers do not need, I don't care what Sullivan says, he's a fucking idiot. I know a lot of it is is hedging, but they do not need any bottom six players. They're loaded, they're fucking loaded with top bottom six guys. They don't need anyone. They need top end guys, guys that can put play 20 minutes, 18 minutes, that are gonna put up 40, 60, 80 points. They don't need bottom six guys, they got too many. I don't know what these guys are playing.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:08

You want to get Cockwell back? I heard he's available, right? So Boston, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:13

Why not? Why not? Why not? Him, Truba, just reverse all the trades. Is it Crider UFA? Oh no, he's he has one more year. He's got one more.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:23

I'd bring him back, but you could probably get him for nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:26

I'd bring Crider back after this summer. I'd bring him back. Third line, third line wing, penalty kill, power play guy. Let me tell you something, Sean. Crider on a two and a half million dollar contract. Three million dollar contract. You bringing him back?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:46

He's not coming back here.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:47

I'm just saying, I'm hypothetical. I'm hypothetical. I know he's not. He might. That's the that is why it's a possibility.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:02

That's the only way that it happens.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:05

I mean, I don't know what how would Cryder's numbers to end the season. He was on my fantasy team. He played great to start.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:10

He had 50 points in 75 games. You want me to give you just a game log breakdown here? Yeah. I'll give you post-Olympic. I know he didn't score after the Olympics. That I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:28

But here's a guy. I mean, here's a guy that they should be all in on. Mason McTavish. Here are the teams that are interested. Montreal, Ottawa, Philly, Seattle, Calgary.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:36

I mean Who says we're not?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:38

I'm just saying those are the teams who reportedly interested.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:41

Have you seen the Rangers mentioned with anything anywhere?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:44

The second overall pick. I've seen that mentioned a ton.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:49

Um so Crider had No, I haven't seen them mentioned with anybody, to be honest. In the last the last 25 games of the season, Crider all of a sudden turned into the assist guy. Three goals, 17 points. Uh 17 assists. He had 20 points in the last 25 games. Nice. He might stay there.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:10

They might keep him there past this season.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:13

I think he wants to come back to the East Coast. I don't think he'll be here. In the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:21

He'll play for the Islanders.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:22

He had he had seven points in 12 playoff games. Uncrider-like, right? What did he have? He only had seven points in 12 games in the playoffs. Very un-crider-like. Two goals.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:40

He doesn't always play great to start playoff series. He usually kind of needs a little time to get going.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:47

He only had two goals in two series total. That's not Crider.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:53

No. No. And that's what you that's what you bring him in for. That's where he's that's where his money is in the playoffs. Right. He started the year. Like a house on fire, right? Oh, maybe not. Oh, he might.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:14

He might his first 50 games, he had 19, 19 goals. He was scoring, and then he only had three to finish the season.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:22

He was hurt though, I think, at some point, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:25

When isn't he hurt? That happens, you know, 34-year-old guy. 35, sorry. He's 35 years old now.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:33

God, remember the night he was drafted.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:35

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:36

The night he was drafted. I don't know if you remember this. I think I might have told the story. So the night he was drafted was the night that Danny Heatley, the Rangers trying to get Danny Heatley. And instead, they got Gabrick. The next day in free agency. Oh, the next when free agency opened. They traded Golf, they traded uh Gomez for McDonough Higgins. That whole trade. Instead, and they draft the Kreider, and then they um instead of getting Heatley, they got Gabrick. And I think it worked out for them. No Gabbrick, that means no Brassard, no Brasard, that means no Sabanajad. So don't even joke about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:28

The masses are getting very upset that the jury hasn't done anything. They're very upset. The masses.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:38

Oh yeah. Don't be surprised

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SPEAKER_02 1:42:50

if they don't do anything. And be happy if they do. Just sit back, enjoy the draft, know that they're gonna have an important piece of future, which we don't have now, maybe two. I think they'll probably make both picks and just enjoy the ride. Keep salary cap flexible. If they go out and sign a couple of guys on the periphery, and then just that's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:26

Yeah, Blaine DuPont. Uh the I'm taking one of those centers.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:30

Brody DuPont. Brody DuPont played one game for the Rangers?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:35

Uh Landon DuPont is a top prospect for next year's draft.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:38

Oh, I can't wait. We're already talking about next year's draft. Uh give me Alexis Joseph. Yeah. Or the the Russian that Russians. I haven't even looked at next year's draft yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:48

Uh, name to just, I'll just give you, I'll just I'll end my my uh end of it just with some names to watch for the second pick that the Rangers have in this draft. Alexander command. Think Joel Erickson Eck. Tell me the Rangers couldn't use a player like that. To me, that's that's a guy that I am praying falls to us a little bit. Um, I also like the kid uh was like Blaine, you can correct me on my pronunciation. Is it uh Nikita Klepov? Um led ju led the uh the juniors in uh scoring or was top three in scoring, you know what they're with aspinall. I'm not a big ruck guy. If the rangers draft one of the two Marcus or Liam Ruck brothers, the only ruck I care about is Alan Ruck. I'm not a big ruck guy, yeah. But I like Clep. I like Klepov. Alexander Command, that's that's my like if the Rangers draft command, if they trade up for him.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:49

I like the name Alexander Command. It's a great name. That's a great name, that's a powerful name. He is a powerful just because of the name.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:56

He's that's almost as good as Roger McQueen. It's right, it's up there with Lightning. So he's he's not big, but he's not small. He's like probably six foot, six one, decent build, yeah, very good skater, good playmaker, wins every puck battle on the corners. Okay, defends. I'm in. Like I said, Joel Ericksonek, that's my top. I'm in.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:21

So I'm excited, man. I would if anything does, well, let's just set this preference. If anything does happen between now and our next show, one of us or both of us are gonna jump on.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:32

Go into the Patreon group. I've been doing Patreon a lot lately. Yeah, so if you you know the guy, listen five bucks, five bucks a month helps us out big time, pays for all the shit. Whatever you can contribute, five, ten.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:46

And we're still looking for a producer. If anyone's out there that wants to produce our show, we're gonna say it every day. We need a we need a young, big time Ranger fan that wants to help produce our show. I'm willing to trade some hockey cards to help to help the process if you're into that.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:02

So better than the comp ones that we have here. That we have now. Yes, um, yeah. All right, Alexander Command. I leave it.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:11

I'm excited, I'm excited, dude. Two more days, and we got some kind of news. I'm excited, yes, sir. Two nights.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:16

All right, guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:17

Three more, three more sleeps later, all right, later.