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SPEAKER_04 0:00

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Ahoy. So in Queen City.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

Yeah, so in this episode of the Camba podcast, we have a trial that just ended this week that we all wanted to talk about, give our thoughts on the matter, what's been going on outside of set trial, and our opinions on that. That trial is the Carmel Anthony trial where he unfortunately stabbed a young man named Austin Metcalf in the state of Texas. Track meat. Under a tent? Under a tent. It was not supposed he was not supposed to have a knife there under Texas law. It is against the law to have a weapon on school grounds or at a school event. He did. First and foremost, the sentencing that he was given was murder and 35 years.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

Murder in the first degree.

SPEAKER_04 1:25

Yeah. 35 years. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

I'd say um at that wait, how is he again?

SPEAKER_04 1:30

He's 19. He was se he was he's 19. He was 17 when that happened.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Two years ago?

SPEAKER_04 1:37

No, last year. He was turning 18. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

So so yeah, I say that's a a good year. So that a good sentence because you're going to spend like half your life in that prison because it's because of something you you thought I don't know, like well let's see, he's got 35 years, he'll be out.

SPEAKER_04 2:04

Half that would be probably 25. No, not 25. 20? That's not half.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

18.

SPEAKER_04 2:12

18.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Was he actually uh like given the possibility of parole?

SPEAKER_05 2:16

Well, is you given 34 or five years.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

If you have 35 years in the state of Texas, you only have to serve half that.

SPEAKER_05 2:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

And yeah, sentence of 35.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

So before your eligibility for parole starts.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

Yeah. You only have to serve half that. So like 17 or 18 years he has to serve.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 2:33

I mean Well, I mean, that he'll be he's 19 now, so 18 years he'll be close to 40.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Yeah, he'll be yeah, and who knows if he'll like strike again, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:44

Well, he won't strike again, I think. Well, I don't know. He might he actually might die in prison, you never know.

SPEAKER_05 2:49

He'll be 37 when he's eligible for prison.

SPEAKER_04 2:51

Well, he's present's present, so he might die.

SPEAKER_05 2:54

Yeah, he might get stabbed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Yeah, especially by the um uh gangs.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Yeah, prison games.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

White ones, even.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

It depends.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, if he was I mean, if he was uh chomo, then definitely but a 17-year-old killing another 17-year-old uh get it marred for death.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Well, I mean I I mean chomo or murderer.

SPEAKER_04 3:32

I mean, yeah, I appreciate your to be fair. My question would be to to the four of you, or to the three of you, I'm gonna start with this. Do you think that he got the right sentence? I think it's if you look at the facts of the case, so do you think you got the right sentence? So we'll start with I'm gonna start with strong arms because I actually want to hear what his thoughts are first. Do you think he got the right sentence?

SPEAKER_00 4:03

I mean, I think it's pretty fair. I mean, again, he brought uh knife onto school grounds and stabbed someone with it. So yeah, first degree is appropriate.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Wait, it wasn't even his school, right?

SPEAKER_04 4:20

It was a school event, it was a track event.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

He was not even allowed to go to, which counts as school grounds.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Yeah. What's the he was trespassing and he was trespassing at a track event? He was a track, he was a track athlete that got suspended. He got suspended from school. He went, he brought he took the knife to the event. Uh odds are he knew he was doing when he took the knife. Yeah, you know what you're doing when you're taking when you're taking a weapon. At that point, so he so he plus uh I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

I was just gonna say, like, if you're suspended, like some schools, they don't even let you go to like sporting events for the school if you've been suspended, which chances are he was suspended for fighting.

SPEAKER_04 5:11

Yes, and uh the thing about it is is that he went there, it was raining, uh he was invited. That's what that's what that that is that is a fact the case. He was invited under the tent to escape the weather, but the minute that you're asked to leave, you're no longer invited. Yeah, he was asked to leave because he's not from that school, he's from Centennial, which is a rival school. Yeah, he's not from there, and I understand why they asked him to leave. You're not from there, we don't know you. Yeah, you say you know one of us, but realistically, do you really know that person? Yeah, that's the thing. Um he was asked to leave 15 times, didn't he was the aggressor? He literally said to Austin, this was quote from one of the defense defend defensive witnesses. The defense witnesses, he literally said, If you touch me, see what happens, see what happens. Like he that's aggressive. That's a threat. Yeah, and Austin said, I'm not gonna fight you, bro. Like he said, I'm not gonna fight you. Which means he was trying to escape the situation, yeah. He also, from witnesses' standpoint, he had his hand in the backpack, most likely knife open in the backpack. But when you have like I'll demonstrate and give me my backpack, I'll demonstrate I'm demonstrating what he most likely had. He had his hand in his backpack, hiding his hand. So if you're Austin or any of those kids, you might think worse is in that backpack. A gun. Like you might think a gun's in there. Yeah, not a knife. And he had a knife. And then from what we're told is that he lightly touched to possibly pushed.

SPEAKER_05 7:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:02

That's what it was, and that's when the stabbing happened.

SPEAKER_05 7:06

Where if you read the medical examiner one time, yeah, medical examiner, he he stabbed him so forcefully that it broke past the bone that protects.

SPEAKER_04 7:16

Yeah, it hit the heart.

SPEAKER_05 7:17

Yeah, and it hit the right ventricle. He was not coming back from that stab.

SPEAKER_04 7:20

Yeah, no, he does. Yeah, it was a It's possible. Yeah, so he he was looking to do something. He did something. I don't think he intended to kill someone, I think he was just looking to cause a problem.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:32

Because he's a pissed-off teen.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

He's trying to be uh you're trying to feel superior, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 7:37

He's trying to feel tough. He's a pissed-off teen. Yeah, because the way because you can understand the reason why he didn't like the officers at the scene. Like he immediately admitted to it. He said he stabbed him.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

You know, Edged I did that shit.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

Yeah, he he acknowledged that he did it. But he also asked, was he okay? Yeah. Which means he didn't intend to kill Austin Metcalf. Austin Metcalf. He was just looking to be a dick, yeah, cause problems. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Yeah, I guess I I can understand um he he didn't expect that to um turn out, you know. Like he he I don't think he he probably expected a different um like outcome.

SPEAKER_04 8:19

He was expecting a different outcome. He wasn't expecting to kill somebody.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

No. I think I think he expected them to be afraid of him.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Yeah, and and well, um he was wrong and well yeah, actually he was right. They were afraid of him, but they were also like he was an idiot.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:37

Alright, so you you think it was fair. What are your thoughts? Do you think you have the right sentence?

SPEAKER_05 8:42

I think for his first offense, I I didn't see it he didn't seem remorseful in in the actual trial itself. Well, we don't know. There's no video, there's only drawings. I I'm gonna be honest, I think it's the right call because it's his first offense. That's what I'm gonna give it because it's his first offense, and he clear in the he did ask right afterwards if he was alright. So meaning that he didn't want to kill him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:08

Oh, another fun, interesting tidbit. Um the one the ones the the people who are uh completely afore uh Carmelo and saying that it was an all-white jury. Uh fun, fun, interesting fact, it was not an all-white jury. There were Asians and Hispanics on the jury. So not all white.

SPEAKER_05 9:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:27

I feel like they're again paid. They are getting paid. They're getting paid to be a nuisance.

SPEAKER_05 9:33

Being being asked.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

Dude, they dude, dude, what's been going around on social media, they harassed the Metcalf family coming out of the coming out of the courthouse. Oh no, you said you told me yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were harassing them coming out of the courthouse after the sentencing. Which, I'm sorry to say this, complete misstep by the sheriff's department. Yeah. The sheriff's department, if you see protesters still outside, they should have been surrounding the Metcalf family. I understand that the Metcalf family weren't doing anything, they were just trying to get to their car, but still, as a protection and caution, they should have at least had the car surrounded by sheriffs and blockading the That or walk them out. Yeah, walk them out. Well, that's what I'm saying. Blockading the protesters from evening in close to that family. Because the fact that they got close to the car, they were that close to the car, makes me a little bit irate.

SPEAKER_05 10:24

Yeah, it pissed me off too.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

Yeah, like they lost the son. Like they should not have to deal with these protesters fucking harassing them. For something that, like, it's clear as fucking day was a fucking murder. Yeah, he he he fucked up. The kid fucked up. The kid fucked up. Like, it's not it's not a racial thing. There's nothing to do with racism. So it's like, I'm sick and tired of this bullshit that it's like it was a racist thing. No, it wasn't. It was never a race issue. It was a dumb kid being a dumb kid. That's what it is. It was a dumb kid being dumb. Acting hood. Acting like a acting like a ghetto kid, and it and resulting in someone's death.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Have you heard of um black fatigue? That's what it is.

SPEAKER_05 11:13

We're all experiencing it. And I hate to say it because everyone says, Well, you're very much fatigued, you're racist. No, we're tired of your bullshit. We're just tired of it. For fuck's sakes, he fucked up, he did the wrong, he did the wrong, and you're still gonna say, Well, we'll defend ours because you defend your no. If someone fucks up and they're my race or they're Jewish or something, I'm gonna hold them to account.

SPEAKER_04 11:33

It's called holding them accountable. Yeah, they fucking broke the law.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Yeah, yeah. The way I see it, if it was really systematically racist, like everyone claim it was, then he would have gotten 15 to life or the chat.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

And executed that day. Yeah, he got he got he got a lucky trial. Most likely because I'm gonna say this, he might not have seen sympathetic throughout the whole case, but maybe during like because they did say he was having trouble looking the father in the eye, which means he was ashamed of what he did. Like when Metcalf, he's like, Metcalf's dad said, like, look at me. Yeah, I want you to look at me when I say this. Like, he was having trouble looking at him, which meant he's ashamed. Yeah, that might have played into the 35-year sentence being like, it's still murder one, yeah, but we're not gonna give him the harshest penalty. We think that it was a big thing. It was a big mistake, yeah. We think it's his first defense, and he seems somewhat like ashamed. Yeah, which is not remorseful, it just means he's ashamed.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure he's I'm sure he he wishes um he didn't do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:48

Maybe he wishes he stayed home that day. Probably.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Oh, yeah. But I'm sure, I'm sure he's like re regretting of the house, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:57

Uh I'm just like, I I I don't believe how I I only go with by the facts. I only go by the facts of the case. I don't go by like all those like opinions like the social media thing where like the parents spent money on buying a new house and a new car, they spent all of his money. From what I've read, it seems like he had a pretty good lawyer. It wasn't a public defender that he had, it actually had a lawyer. From what I've read, although it's hard to tell because like it's so fucking there's so many like bullshit coming out.

SPEAKER_05 13:28

Yeah. The lawyer that he has is just a piece of shit as he was. That's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

Oh, I don't think uh the lawyer look from what I've from what I've read, there are a lot of defense attorneys that weren't gonna take this case. It's a fucking slam dunk. There's no one that he's fucked.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

And and I said the real use of me with is like the defense attorney recently claimed during his trial that Austin Metcalf impaled himself on the owner. Like, how bad of a job of a lawyer do you have to be to make that argument?

SPEAKER_04 14:00

Well, it's a it's a sad and honest truth. I'm gonna be I'm gonna say this too. Alright. By the facts of the case, I would have leaned more manslaughter than murder by the facts of the case. Only because I just by the facts. Um I don't know what he was like in the courtroom. It would have swayed me if he was arrogant or anything. I probably would have done murder one. Um, I lean a little bit towards murder one because he did take the knife. It was premeditative, he was looking to do something. There was something that he was planning on doing. Yeah, but we don't I lean that way. Yeah, that doesn't mean he was intending to kill someone. I just lean doing something stupid.

SPEAKER_05 14:47

Yeah, he was doing something. I'll give you that.

SPEAKER_04 14:49

Yeah. I I but I think I personally think it's manslaughter because of this first offense. I get why they did murder one, because you know, all that stuff, but I kind of lean a little bit more towards manslaughter, but I would have given him the harsher manslaughter penalty because of all the like he intended to do something, he took the knife to school grounds, he's not supposed to have it there, or school event, he's not supposed to have it there. I lean more harsher manslaughter.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Yeah, what? Um Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

In that case, I probably I mean, I probably would say murder in the second degree is more appropriate. Probably again, like he's sentenced at 35, he'll be out of per for parole in 18 years.

SPEAKER_04 15:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Okay, uh, I was going, I was going to say, um uh saying how the family is. I mean I say um the reason for that.

SPEAKER_04 15:54

Oh yeah, the family is for sure the reason why he's a fucked up kid.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Yeah, the the the movement and and uh the beliefs he's he's being told and like how the whites are like yeah, what you know what I mean? And and uh yeah, if you if that if that was a if that was a a part of the of them the environment, I'd probably I'd probably be a murderer too.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

Well the thing about it is too uh the the prosecution offered him a plea deal. They offered him a plea deal. He pled not guilty, even though like the prosecution is like you're dead to rights. There's nothing like you're guilty. Like you're guilty on all like you're dead to rights. So you're gonna go to prison. That's whether you're gonna go 35 years or you're gonna he should take in the plea deal. If you're uh if you're the defense attorney, you should have pulled that kid aside and said, Look, kid, yeah, you're fucked. Like you take the plea deal because you'll be out quicker.

SPEAKER_05 16:52

Yeah, if you took if he took in the manslaughter plea-do, because with every plea-doh they always offer, yeah, for in this, in this in this kind of scenarios, yeah, uh, he would have been out in 10.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

Probably 10 years, probably less than that.

SPEAKER_05 17:05

Yeah, probably eight five, the latest eight.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Yeah. In my in my in my opinion, I'm starting to think um these these people are they're trying to prove a point, but I feel like they're given or reason to hate the movement. Well, yeah, that's what they're doing.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

Yeah. If you've seen a lot of African American social media people are online, are saying the same thing. You're making it hard for us.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

And as one if as one you t what youtuber I watched, um, it turns out his step dad's a part of that. I was like, like like um, like it's talking about how he uh how he was always like that, like yelling and and uh being uh uh rebellious. Yeah. And then and then uh I mean it's he and yet like like this y YouTuber and his his point of view is accurate. Like his dad, um that man is just delusional in protest, you know.

SPEAKER_05 18:15

Um I'm not even gonna lie, I was with uh what he when he sent me a reel one of the black creators saying that uh you know I don't no wonder they don't want to hang out with us or be near us no more. You guys make it make it worse for us. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, that's exactly it. So when people when in the future, if this keeps keeps going on, don't be afraid, don't be fucking high and mighty when a white person walks the other side of the street again. Because they because they're not gonna talk about the street anymore.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

I feel like they're becoming the new whites, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:46

Well, they're becoming the new parents, they're they're becoming the new hidden minority because they're acting a fool. Basically, what they are. And the sad truth of the matter is is that like the media makes it worse because they don't cover everything.

SPEAKER_05 19:02

They say they do it from their emotional point of view, or they're not gonna be able to do it. Well, because they're they because they want to get clicks, they want to get views.

SPEAKER_04 19:10

That so they're like, Oh, this is a racial thing, even though there it has nothing to do with race, it has two teenagers being stupid. Yeah. Well, one well, I I'm gonna be honest with you, Austin McCaff, I don't blame him from trying to be like get him out of the tent. I blame the fact that maybe he shouldn't have touched him. I blame that.

SPEAKER_05 19:33

I believe is what it should have happened. I believe after the 15th time you told him to leave, you should have gone to your coach and said, This kid won't fucking leave. That's what I'm saying. We've asked him 15 times and he needs to leave.

SPEAKER_04 19:45

So that's what I would have advised is like go get a coach.

SPEAKER_05 19:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:49

Because if you're suspecting that he has something, especially if he has his hand in his backpack and you suspect he has a weapon, you probably shouldn't get close to him. Yeah. Recall security. And I like Well, yeah, that's yeah, the coach probably would call it security because if he's got his hand in his backpack and he's kind of being aggressive, if the coach goes over and the kid's even more aggressive because he's an adult, depending on what kind of coach, you know, it could be a white coach or a black coach, might might have settled him down a little bit. But if it's like a white coach, if he gets even more aggressive, then yeah, call police security. That you know, take him out. Because then then there would be less they of course then the news would have said a local black team gets arrested by white cops for doing nothing wrong, even though it's like the kid had a weapon on him.

SPEAKER_05 20:34

Well, they would find out later in discovery. Yeah, yeah, but they wouldn't they but the media wouldn't say it.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

They would say local black kid gets arrested.

SPEAKER_05 20:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:42

By white cops.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Yeah. Well, hey, it hey, it gives it gives them the views and the clicks and the emotional.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

I hate that. No, that I hate that because it just makes the it makes division in this country worse.

SPEAKER_05 20:55

Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_04 20:55

Because it's like, that's not what this is, it's got nothing to do with race. He had a weapon. There's a difference. He's not supposed to have a weapon on school grounds or uh school event. Bottom line. Why does he need a knife? You're saying you clearly they kept saying he's an honor roll student. They kept saying he's the captain of his football team, they kept saying he's a huge, you know, this. If he's all this, then why does he feel the need to act like a thug?

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Yeah, I feel like it's um that's called um grifting, I think.

SPEAKER_04 21:28

You know, and I do agree with one thing. It's their culture. Yeah. No, I do agree, it's their culture. Yeah, it's the culture that they choose to live in. I agree with that. Their culture is fucked up.

SPEAKER_05 21:38

It's called grifting, what you said. Okay. I figured glazing is where you basically is like you hide someone up.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Well, I'm pretty sure that's what they're doing.

SPEAKER_05 21:47

Oh, yeah, that's what they're doing.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

They're glazing. Oh no, but here's the other thing. I I blame the parents because, in my personal opinion, in my personal opinion, they should have told him plead non guilty.

SPEAKER_06 21:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:58

At no point did they say that. So they they took him like a lamb to slaughter. Plead guilty is what you say. Yeah, sorry, plead guilty. They kept HGI, they kept making him plead not guilty. So it's like you're serving up to be s a lamb for slaughter, is basically what you're serving up as. Yeah. Yeah, and the wolves are the uh the Yeah, yeah, you're serving him up. Like he's gonna like he's gonna fucking be he's gonna be a little doe in prison because he's gonna he's gonna come to a harsh reality that prison's not what you think it is.

SPEAKER_05 22:30

Yeah, no, no one's gonna be happy you're there, buddy. His ass is gonna hurt. So they then they might depending on what prison they say, too either.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

Depends on what prison, because they don't always rape prisoners.

SPEAKER_05 22:40

It depends on pr depends on the prison, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

Yeah, it depends on the prison. It also depends on like because there are some prisons that are very like they're not segregated, they're actually open for plans. Yeah, they're actually not even racist in some prisons because the old guard isn't racist, so that's you know, it's just depends on where he goes. I think it's Frisco, Texas. He's sorry 35 years. I don't think he's gonna get super max because he doesn't he's no, he's probably gonna get minimum too. He's gonna get like a like he's gonna get like a minimum prison for 35 years, so he's probably not gonna go somewhere harsh. Yeah, but you know, it's my zone cell. Maybe it depends. I don't really care. Yeah, I don't really care. How do you solve something like this? Is a is an interesting question that I've been trying to say the thing about it. It's realistically how you solve it is um raise kids. Hold them accountable, hold them accountable. That's all it is. Hold everybody accountable, doesn't matter what race you are, doesn't matter anything. Like hold them accountable. Stop pleading this racial shit, this you know, this racist thing that we're all like everybody's out to get you. It's like no one's out to get you. You're out, you're you're the one fucking up.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Well, don't um families of murderers apologize to the family. Yeah, they didn't do shit. Well well, either usually or no.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

They sometimes they do, but Austin Metcalf's dad, uh, after the murder forgave him.

SPEAKER_05 24:13

Yeah, he said he did, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

And then they called police and had an escort off the off the premises.

SPEAKER_05 24:21

When he was trying to talk to the family.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

They're racist. Well, they are.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

They're dicks, yeah. They are the most racist ever.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

But that's how horrible it is. Like, first off, his son's the one that died, not yours. Yeah. And he's the one, and he came over to forgive you.

SPEAKER_05 24:41

He was there in solidarity with you, with you're probably gonna lose your son.

SPEAKER_04 24:44

Yeah, he was there to say he forgives, not like hate. He doesn't want to say he's hated.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

I hope their houses get trashed because you know, like eventually.

SPEAKER_04 24:58

Well, they live in a gay community, so good luck. I'm gonna say next. Yeah, they live in a gay community. They this is why I said it's it's very hard to know what's real and what's not. Supposedly, his six hundred and fifty thousand dollar uh court fee that was due to donations for the court fee.

SPEAKER_05 25:17

Uhund me to go fund me that they made.

SPEAKER_04 25:21

Apparently, all that went into buying a new house and a new escalade. Supposedly.

SPEAKER_05 25:26

And I'm gonna say one thing. May God have mercy on your souls. That's all I'm gonna say to that family. You're gonna get your come up and, but it will happen.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Okay. I'm starting to I'm starting to to pray then Neo and Nelsie's just kill them all. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 25:45

I I'm at this. I'm not at that level, then I'm not gonna. I'm not at that level. Um I am I'm not at that level because in my personal opinion, it's like BLM. BLM's a scam. There's always been a scam.

SPEAKER_05 25:56

Anyone who falls for is dumb as fuck.

SPEAKER_04 25:58

Well, it's like it's always that it's a scam because if you look at it, like, where did all their money go? That's supposed to help that's supposed to help their communities.

SPEAKER_05 26:08

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 26:10

It didn't help the communities, it went to buying new houses for them. So it's like that's what this is. It's all scamming. It's like scamming the people that they feel it the need. Also, to be fair, if you're on Carmelo Anthony's side, you're the biggest piece of shit on the planet because everybody knew this kid was dead to rights. And if you're on his side, you're a fucking piece of shit.

SPEAKER_05 26:35

No, I agree. I don't understand the the be the ability to cognitive negatively distance yourself from facts that are clear as day. Okay? One, he had a knife at him on school property, immediately makes him guilty of the crime. Two, he had threatened Matt Craft when Matt Calf had said multiple times, I don't want to fight you, and I just want you to leave the tent when you're not supposed to fight.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

He didn't threaten openly. He said, Touch me and see what happens. That is a threat. I I get that, but it it's a vague.

SPEAKER_05 27:10

Yeah, it's it's a vaguely thin threat. And then thirdly, when he tries to use the self-defense plea, I'm sorry, this does not equal this.

SPEAKER_04 27:21

No, it doesn't. You have to self-defense in Texas and in Florida means you have to meet proportional force proportional action. So like you can only use deadly force is if deadly force is used against you.

SPEAKER_05 27:33

That's the So like if I wanted to go punch John, he can punch me back. He cannot pull out a gun and shoot me.

SPEAKER_04 27:38

Well, I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

If I had um his Anthony's um mine said, I would.

SPEAKER_04 27:45

Yeah, if you had his mindset, he'd he'd kill you. His illusional, like uh his well, also like that that that's completely different. Like Austin only lightly touched slash pushed, which is not like doesn't even count as a fight.

SPEAKER_05 27:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Because he says he doesn't want to fight him. He's probably what he's doing is he's probably trying to like separate him. I don't know if the video showed it. It probably doesn't because you know how kids are, they their phones are very thin. I wonder if he got I wonder if Carmelo stepped to him. Like I think and then Austin instinctively, because he stepped to him, put his hand out to kind of like give him distance, and that's why he stabbed him.

SPEAKER_05 28:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:24

I wonder if that's what it was. Because I'm sure those that video doesn't show it, but I wouldn't be surprised because of how some of young kids, not all, I'm not calling about black because I'm not gonna young kids when they're the aggressors, they tend to step step to somebody to kind of like close the gap to sort of make you touch them on purpose so they can get a free shot.

SPEAKER_05 28:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

That's what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

I don't understand how you know, like how you can like believe that well, someone think anything is innocent, like it's just they're not because it's because he's black.

SPEAKER_04 29:14

Yeah, it's it's all it's it's it's it's it that's why is because I'm black and he's black, he's innocent. That's the whole point. That's all it is, and it doesn't and it I don't like if one eye did something, just because he's white doesn't mean I think he's innocent. It depends on what he did. But if he were to do something like what Carmelo did, I wouldn't say he's innocent. I would say he's guilty.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

I think it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

Well, yeah. I mean, like a psychopath. I mean, I don't think he's the joker.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

I mean, he's far from no, no, no, not the joker. They're like um sounds, you know.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Yeah, probably. Uh probably, I guess. We'll see all that. Okay. Any final thoughts for you, Strongarms?

SPEAKER_00 30:04

Um, not really. I mean, it really shouldn't have been as media-sized as it was.

SPEAKER_05 30:12

But I agree.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

That's part of the media's agenda is to divide based on race, and that's why I don't watch the news.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

True. Yeah, yeah. I watch YouTube news usually.

SPEAKER_04 30:22

The only reason why this was brought up to me was because it happened. I remember it happened last year. I remember it. I remember when it happened, and it was on my feed like crazy. It's on my feed. That's how I heard about it. I always knew the kid was dead to rights because even early on in the facts, he admitted to it. He admitted that he stabbed him, he admitted that he did all this. So it's like, so it's like, okay, what and then they kept saying, well, he has a self-defense claim. He has a self-defense claim. That was before what I sorry, you have to remember. I know that was before.

SPEAKER_05 30:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:00

Trial's done. The way I look at it, the judge was not playing around. This judge, he wanted this trial done, over with. I think he was sick and tired of the fucking media attention that this thing was getting. I think I don't think he I think he was more of like, this is stupid.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Like waste of time, you know.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

It's a waste of time. It's also like it's not a racial thing. They kept saying it, it is not a racial thing. They kept saying it. Like Austin Metcalf's dad said it's not a racial thing. He did it, he stabbed my boy. Like, I feel for anyone, I feel I I read the mom's statement. Which one? I felt the mom of Austin? Yeah, I felt the most sad for her. Oh, I need too. Because like when you read her statement, she's like, There's an empty room in my house, I've lost my boy. He's upstairs walking above me. I can't talk to him anymore. Like, you feel for her. Like, I feel for her. I feel for the brother.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

The blacks don't care.

SPEAKER_04 32:02

Well, no, because they're because they're again, they're they're too clouded in their prejudice. Yeah, they're they're prejudiced.

SPEAKER_05 32:12

Okay, one thing you said were the moment where it became an open and shut case is when the cops said when they picked him up, I got the alleged suspect, and he says to plain as day to the cop on the body cam footage, alleged, no, I did that shit. Yeah, I did it. So you just made that you commit murder. Thank you very much. That you're done. What was the need for the trial?

SPEAKER_04 32:35

Well, date because it was self-defense cut. Oh, by the way, oh, by the way, uh, to not like spoil your fun, uh, they've already uh the uh let's see the uh defense attorney of uh Carmel Anthony has already put in their appeal, come on! They've already put it in. What?

SPEAKER_05 32:56

Come on!

SPEAKER_04 32:57

Carmel Anthony team has already put in a appeal.

SPEAKER_05 33:00

An appeal, so they're gonna go back to trial.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

Yeah, they've already put in appeal. They said that the uh all-white jury, uh the judge, and uh defense attorney were the problems. So that's the appeal that they put in. Whether or not they'll get it, because the the the thing about a court appeals, the the things up higher, they look at everything. And the one thing that they're gonna look at is because now that now that I know that the the the jury wasn't an all-white jury, it had Asians, it had Hispanics, and it had whites on the jury.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

They're fucked. Well, you know why I'm pretty sure what they expected. Um they blacks what obviously, you know, because because Los Angeles is a Los Angeles is a is a race whole thing for them. Yeah, I would well yeah, what's since says which um I say um I think it's annoying how they are after after the court, I say um it was a good reason, you know.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

Oh no, you want to I'm gonna say if the kid had if the kid has any respect for himself to just fucking take the appeal away and just go serve his time.

SPEAKER_05 34:07

That's what I would do.

SPEAKER_04 34:07

I would say if you have any respect at all for yourself, take the appeal away. You do you really want to sit through another fucking trial?

SPEAKER_05 34:16

Guaranteed the dad's gonna be there.

SPEAKER_04 34:17

Guarantee you there is the family's gonna be there, they're all gonna be there. You're not gonna be able to look them in the eye again. Do you really want to look at that? You you or you just want to go serve your time because you fucking did it. So just go serve your fucking time. That's all it is. Just go fucking serve your time. Yes, you made the mistake of pleading not guilty. So yeah, now you gotta deal with the consequences that you got 35 years of prison when you could have had 10 years at manslaughter. That's your that's your fucking fault. So you got an additional what 25 25 years? Yeah. Yeah, you got an additional 25 years plus a murder charge.

SPEAKER_05 35:00

Congratulations. You're dumb fuck. Oh, and by the way, since you're in an adult court and you're trying you were tried now as an adult, uh, that first degree fucking you over when you get out for a job. Oh, it's gonna fuck you up the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_04 35:14

It's gonna be with you for the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_05 35:16

It would have been better if you just plead the manslaughter.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Yeah. I'm pretty sure somebody sh like Shannon, like Anthony. I I don't think anybody would care.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

No, the protesters wouldn't, just not no one else.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

Since we only have nine minutes left, I think that's I think that's a good place to stop. Yeah, I think I think we've done enough.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 35:39

That's enough craziness and well I've I I've had my I've had my I've I've been willing to talk about this for a while. I got it off my chest, I'm done, I'm ready to move on to the fun stuff.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

I'm not even Well, if you wanna meanwhile, also in Texas, uh if you haven't heard about Texas Tech, teams are now boycotting Texas Tech.

SPEAKER_04 36:06

Oh yeah, because one of their players um gambled.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Okay, so Brandon Soresby, he was it was found out that he was involved in like betting against college sports, including teams that he played for in the past. Now, originally the NCAA was gonna rule him completely ineligible to play, but after a court case, he got off with only a two-game suspension. So now, like two teams, Georgia and Nebraska, are boycotting Texas Tech completely from sports as a result.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

As they should. Well, it makes sense. First off, in sports, uh gambling is a huge no-no. You can't gamble as a player. It's a huge no-no. Yeah, no. Yes, John?

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Sorry, we can't say what's bad, nothing coming out in case.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

Alright, go.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

I feel bad for for the schools. Oh, yeah. Principal and they're probably uh devastated. Like like both principals, you know, like in a school. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:41

Like like one a lot of students, and one uh well Well, no, they both lost students.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Yeah, yeah. Well while while well one a lot of students uh for life, one lost one for being a criminal. Yeah. And that's reputation for now. Like, like, like your school is going is going to be known as a school that that had a murderer.

SPEAKER_04 38:12

I mean, that's not that's nothing new. There are plenty of schools that have that reputation.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

Well, um, I guess so, yeah. Gangs and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

Yeah, there's plenty of schools. Alright, to continue on with your Texas Tech thing. Now, uh yes, yes, gambling is a sin in all sports, not just college, it's a sin in uh professional sports. You are not allowed to gamble.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

You know what you know a card hotel, they kill a soccer player for gambling. They're gambling.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

That's why that's being completely different.

SPEAKER_04 38:43

But that's why they don't want gambling in sports because they're trying to do the gambling is uh it can be it can get out of hand either way, you know. Well that because uh one of the biggest, one of the most infamous, infamous uh cases of betting scandal happen in a World Series. Uh it's where the black socks.

SPEAKER_05 39:04

Yeah, the 1909 Black Sox World Series or the Dead Sox, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

Where they gambled. Yeah, because of mobs are uh Yeah, they were they were basically being the mob forced were by the mob to do it. They're being forced to throw the game.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

Yeah. Okay. I mean, the biggest, most recent scandal was uh in the uh early 2000s, where he had an NBA referee betting on games he officiated.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

Six minutes. Okay, sorry. No, six minutes.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

And I forget the dude's name, but I mean one of the games he officiated was The Malice at the Palace in 2004.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

Yeah, he wrote a book, he wrote a tell-all how he did it. Malice of the Palace? Yeah, the Malice of the Palace. Where it's where uh it's where an infamous NBA uh player, somebody threw something on him and then he jumped into the stands and started wailing the fan.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Ron Art Tess.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

Yeah, it got into a huge fight.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:05

Which I don't blame Ron Artess. Somebody throws something at you, I don't blame you for jumping in. That's assault. Yeah, you got assaulted. Now the guy he beat up was not the guy who threw that poor guy. No, because if you watch the video, he's like, I still got my beer. I didn't throw you idiot. And he's pointing at his beard like, I didn't air like beat up.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Well, okay, well, there was a whole video about that on YouTube. Well, I forget his name, but he does like basketball stuff. Yeah. Basically, where that event like chains run our tests' entire career, and the Indiana Pacers as a whole just it took them like a good two decades to recover.

SPEAKER_04 41:00

It's the thing about a decade. Well, the thing about it is like the betting is like you can't you can't you can't do it because you just open up that you open up that floodgate to like even the most infamous betting scandal that happened just this past year. Uh all sports happened in a card game. Carts. Uh people were throwing basketball games because uh they were being blackmailed at card games, uh poker games. They were getting screwed, but the mob was involved in the poker games. So many players from different sports got arrested by the FBI. This was just recently.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Oh god, it's still happening.

SPEAKER_04 41:40

No, no, it happens all the time. People like because you open gambling to be legal on sports, you open the door for athletes to bet on sporting events, not just other sporting events, but potentially their own, which is against the rules, but they'll still do it because hey, if I can get more money, I can get more money. I can get more money. Also, it's a competitiveness, you know, they're competitors, like they they want to win. They have this, they have this drive to want to win, to want to get more, and all that. That's no, I don't blame Texas Tech for losing and getting boycotted. It's uh you know, they shouldn't have done it.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

They shouldn't have they shouldn't have let that player uh well he uh well Brandon Sorceby, like he was only he just recently transferred to Texas Tech. Like the biggest uh gambling scene came out in uh 2022. Like he gambled in 2022 when he was with uh Indiana. Oh, sorry. The Indiana Hoogers.

SPEAKER_04 42:52

Yeah. Yeah, but they still shouldn't have let him in. Like if you if you like that's the thing, is like if you know that this kid is radioactive and potent potential that you're gonna get screwed from other schools, uh yeah, yeah. What's that about okay?

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Well, this only came out like very recently. I understand very recently.

SPEAKER_04 43:14

Yeah, I understand. I understand strong. It happened very recently, but the schools do their background checks. You can't tell me these schools didn't know something was up, like something was going on. They do a pretty good job at a background check.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

Okay. They do it, huh?

SPEAKER_01 43:32

It shows.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

How did it see how it came out?

SPEAKER_04 43:40

Anyway, we got one 19 left.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

So I think Well, you want to I'm not sure uh how it exactly came out, but uh like basically like Texas Tech had no idea this was happening when they were recruiting him.

SPEAKER_04 43:58

I'm sure they did. I'm sure they're thank you. Anyway, so this has been another fun episode. It's been a trial episode. Uh these are these are gonna be some fun small episodes. We're gonna we're trying to figure out more of what we can do. This is just a fun little experiment. It's a fun little experiment. We'll probably do more. Probably we're definitely gonna have more small episodes of reviews. That's definitely something.

SPEAKER_01 44:21

Yeah, or games or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 44:23

Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely do something like that.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

You know what? I think maybe we'll just have like one at a time topics or something, or two at a time, maybe two at a time.

SPEAKER_04 44:33

That'll probably be good. All right, so this has been a fun episode of the Cannball Podcast. Uh this is yep, this is Captain C signing off.

SPEAKER_05 44:40

This is Captain or Co-Captain Josh signing off.

SPEAKER_04 44:42

You're not a captain, don't even start.

SPEAKER_05 44:43

It's fine, quartermaster.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

This is uh uh this is uh I guess Helsman.

SPEAKER_04 44:49

Hellsman, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

I I I I sure you away. Yeah for the box. All right. Anyway, audios.