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In this episode of the podcast te all join together in Chicago for one eyes bachelor party. This episode is one of are shorter episodes were we talk two or one topic. Today we talked the last three episodes of Netflix ATLA series along with a quick conversation on Ginger beards journey on the series sons of anarchy. Enjoy and welcome to the crew.
What's up world? This is the Cam Ball Podcast. I am your hoax, Captain C. And like always, we are gathered here today with my crewmates here in the lovely city of Chicago, Illinois. Behave Ginger Beard.
SPEAKER_02I wanna rock and roll knife.
SPEAKER_01Okay, we got one eye judge. Armies, how's it be? And we got strong arms. In person. Hey. So on this episode, we're gonna talk about the final three episodes of Avatar Last Airbender. The live-action Netflix series. We're also gonna talk a little bit of Sons of Anarchy for John, and this will be it for that for this episode. I'm probably on season four.
SPEAKER_03Congratulations. After the torture of season three. Jesus Christ. It was a torture. It took them so long to get to what the fuck. Alright, sorry, yeah. Move on.
SPEAKER_01Alright. Well, I guess we'll start with uh we'll start with Atla first. Atla. Atla. So episode five. I have the notes because we probably all forgot. I know I do. Yep. Episode five. The ratings for the three of us were all 4.5.
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That's an episode with uh I believe The Clear Spirit. Yeah. And you go causing trouble. The Panty Lady. And the Panty Lady. Yep, Panty Lady coming to help save the day. Along with uh I believe the introduction to La Fe? No. The White Lotus. Not just the White Lotus, but also the White Lotus was in episode six.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I believe. It was also Iroh having a stack fest. I think that's episode six as well. Well, episode five for me, it was Ain trying to basically be good so he can get to the Earth King. That's pretty much his story arc was doing everything that what's that guy's name? Um Long Long Fang. Yeah. Yeah. Everything that Long Fane asked of him. Well, we call we said Jackie Chen.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, Jackie Chan.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01In this episode, Long Fang definitely seems like uh very you can tell he's manipulating me on a on a level.
SPEAKER_03Oh well we watched the original and we kinda we kind of know.
SPEAKER_01Well yeah, we know that he's not a good good guy at all. Yeah. But uh I think Sokka and Koff have a therapy moment. If I remember in this episode, because uh to have a poem rap battle. Oh yeah, that's fun. Yep.
SPEAKER_00And uh hey, hold up. Pretty sure episode five is when uh they go to the spirit library.
SPEAKER_01I thought that was episode six.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_03Look it up. I think I I it's been a while actually. Uh I guess.
SPEAKER_01It's been two weeks since we've seen this. It's been over a month for me. Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure episode five is the therapy session, and episode six is the spirit library. But I could also be wrong, because they're all hour-long episodes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's all okay. So it all runs in together. Okay, episode five is the library episode. Six is when uh Azula infiltrates Bossing State.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so Azula, yeah, alright. No, I'm starting to remember episode five. Yeah, Jet dies. Yeah. But early. Well no, he dies. He dies uh, well, he dies at episode five. Technically, he doesn't he dies against the uh Earth Kingdom Daily in the original cartoon series, and this one, the owl takes them out. Yeah. But I'm gonna be honest with you. When the owl says, uh, we don't want I don't want any humans that are going to use the information of this library against other people. Um Jet seems like the wrong person to bring in there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I toff go in?
SPEAKER_01Toph went in, which she did not go in the original.
SPEAKER_00No, she didn't go in. Oh, that's the library. Oh, she still had to hold the library. Oh, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_01She No, in the original, she had to hold the library up. It is one she actually went in.
SPEAKER_03It talked to um to the Kyoshi, right? Yeah, the Kyoshi. She talked to Kyoshi.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah. She uh in talk to the airbender. Yeah, who is white.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_00Why is she white?
SPEAKER_04She didn't look white to me.
SPEAKER_01I don't know, dude. They just picked the best actor, I think, at this point.
SPEAKER_00That's cute. Why is that okay? What was the biggest complaint about the last Airbender movie?
unknownThank you.
SPEAKER_00Angus White. Angus White, guitar is white, sock is white. So why are they doing it here?
SPEAKER_01I don't know. I think mostly I didn't get the impression that she was white. Yeah. She was part, seems like she was a mixed Asian in the world. Yeah. Well, something because she did look Asian in and to me.
SPEAKER_04She looked very Chinese to me.
SPEAKER_01I think she's mixed race. Yeah. And that's the sad truth, is a lot of people don't realize that like when white people and Asians mix, they tend to resemble Caucasians. Sometimes. Sometimes. Or they resemble Asians. Doesn't run men. But sorry, Adorei. I know, I know, I know. It's funny. She's white. Okay, well, if she is, then. I mean, to be fair, Sokka, Guitara. No, Guitara and Jet go off on together. Sokka and we didn't watch. It's by himself, right? Or was he with Tom? No. It was with Tom.
SPEAKER_03We didn't watch it again.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's been a while. Sokka went off on his own after the fox. I remember that. The fox creature took him and he thought it was um UA.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. Look. But it turns out um I guess the fox button to the uh moon where it's the calendar.
SPEAKER_01That's why we offer it.
SPEAKER_03That was pretty that was good actually. Yeah, it was cool. I like that.
SPEAKER_01It was a cool that's that was cool. Uh but he sort of is like, is that you? You know, talking to the moon. I remember that. Very touching, very emotional.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, right. The the professor uh he betrayed them. Yeah, he portrayed them, and then he died.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Which was kind of a fitting. It kind of was fitting for that for that asshole.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he he came he came to the owl and said, We're trying to use your uh knowledge for evil or bad. Or or to um destroy uh enemies or something like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, destroy the fire nation. And then the owl was taught. I mean, the owl basically said, like, and you I knew you would betray your words, you know, all that. And then he basically says, All of you will die. And the therapy's like, wait a minute, I have to. He's like, I told you about them. Yes, but you use the information to gain the advantage against these humans. Therefore, you broke the rules.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Wow. Wow. I I I think I think the owl is the dick.
SPEAKER_01He's kind of an ass. He just hates humans.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Well, which I I can understand.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I can never understand. I'm gonna be honest with you, I like the cartoon uh sinking of the library more than this one. This one, I don't Toph is holding the building while Ottawa is being can by um um by the dialete.
SPEAKER_03No, no, no. Oh, wait, no, in the cartoon, it was um the same people.
SPEAKER_01In this one, it's the dialete. Yeah, they kind of uh like uh kind of skip over the skin, the stand people.
SPEAKER_00Well that and they um they yeah, they don't even go to the desert.
SPEAKER_03They um become combined a daily for the yeah, what's that? I'm okay with it. I mean like it's fine. I mean it was it was they would do that a daily.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they would do actually they would they did steal, they did uh get Oppa oh yeah anyway, so it doesn't really matter because Apa goes missing in the cartoon. Although I will say that, like I said, I do prefer the cartoon version because Toph is holding the building and trying to keep the building from sinking while Oppa's getting kidnapped. Yeah, which makes it more emotional. Yeah, gives it a little bit more story in this one. I I don't know the library sinking because I don't it didn't look like it was sinking, which makes no sense because it's in the spirit realm. And they enter through the spirit realm.
SPEAKER_04They need that doorway to get back. That's the problem.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I was I was confused on that one. That part confused me a little bit because it didn't seem like you needed to do anything because the spirit well the door was still open technically.
SPEAKER_03Well, I think it needed uh like the full entryway. Alright. I guess it makes sense.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I don't know, Jet died, which you know, I saw that. We all saw that coming.
SPEAKER_03I feel like it's I feel like his the death in the live action is better.
SPEAKER_01Because like the cartoon it was like a rock or well no, the die he uh he protects uh Katara in the cartoon by taking a hit from one from from one of the Daily agents. Um and it's hard to describe it. Like Well, it's one of those things where Guitar's trying to save him and he says, Go, I'll be they'll be alright, and they say he's lying.
SPEAKER_03Well Toph will set up that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Toph, because Toph can tell when you're lying to the earth. I want to know Wattsaka, what's your reply?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_01No, and uh no, and then in the live action, this go around. It was a sac again, it's it's both are sacrifices, it just depends on which one you like.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01At this point, it's the owl can get him. Which, if I'll be honest with you, the owl, the owl was gonna win either way. Yeah. I don't see it's a giant owl. It's a giant fucking owl. It's just gonna win either way. So, I mean, I I appreciate sacrifice, but it's kinda like I I do appreciate the um survival story of David and Goliath.
SPEAKER_03Oh yes. But come on, dude, it's a giant owl.
SPEAKER_01You're not gonna win. Yeah. Not only is it a giant owl, it's a spirit giant owl. It's gonna fuck you up.
SPEAKER_03And if and I like how when you you die to spirit world, you die for real. No, but well, well, yeah, the way you die, like your body just limps, poofs. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Now that when Anne came out, he's like, where's Opa? And Top tells him that Appa was taken.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I tried.
SPEAKER_01I tried. Gonna be honest with you, episode six really made me not like Ain. Yeah. Yeah. They really they did, they really basically made Ain a dick. To everybody. To everyone in episode six.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and yeah, he goes off on like what like he goes off on the team, and and uh what's the one else? What goes off on on the revs?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, because they go, so in episode six, which again, let me look up our scores. Actually, Kyle, what was your score for episode five? Uh three. So episode six, we all gave it a five.
SPEAKER_04Oh, because he got because it got better in the end.
SPEAKER_01That's why. Yeah, we gave it a five. All of us gave it a five. Episode six is basically they break into the palace using the general's help. Oh, yeah. The wine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they they snuck in through with one with uh barrels. Which again makes the wine barrels are the dimensions are not right. Yeah. I thought they were in the wine. Yeah. Like I tried to hold through the bread, like the dimensions of those wine barrels did not make any sense at all. Unless I actually, but it wouldn't make sense because A and Katara are in the same wine barrel. It would make more sense if A was with Sokka and Katara was with talk, and they're using the water bending. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To keep the wine like sloshing above them.
SPEAKER_04But they basically they what they did was they built like a hidden uh bottom.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, but those dimensions don't make sense. No, I know. Because this they're tiny.
SPEAKER_03You couldn't fit two people in one barrel. Yeah, that was weird. I mean, like, that's that's just that's just bad.
SPEAKER_01That's just bad uh directing or something. I think it's bad. I think it's bad uh set making, set design. Yeah, I mean because I feel like the director is like we need barrels to sneak people in, and they brought these things, and it's like okay, talk. I'm gonna tell you this now. How are two people gonna fit in there? They use earth bending. Get the fuck out of my set. There's a fire. Okay, you can be sorry. Get the fuck out of my face.
SPEAKER_04Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, before you do that. He has a point. Your fire channel.
SPEAKER_01I'm the I'm your boss. That's the producer, yeah. Well, no, that's because they want to save money. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03What like didn't you think of something else? Like maybe I I guess not.
SPEAKER_01I mean, like No, dude. See, here's the problem with the pot. Here's the problem with the pots. It need they need to be bigger to explain the two, you know, two people hiding in there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's what it needed to be. Problem is that like I can understand if it's like one person sneaking in with the pot, but you have two people, and there's no fucking way two people fit in those pots. Yeah. It's just no. There's just no way.
SPEAKER_03But yeah, I mean, there's no like the the Trojan horse.
SPEAKER_01Well, even the Trojan horse was as bad. That's a good foreshadowing, but even the Trojan horse was wrong dimensions. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's fictional physics. Yeah, it's fiction.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we'll we'll call it that. Well we'll call it what it is. It's fictional physics. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, then after that, that once they finally meet the Earth King, Aang blows it by uh really emotional.
SPEAKER_01I mean, just a straight up cis fit. That was ever plays, right? No, it's not not at all. Especially. Like white chicks.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna have a BF. Oh my god, she's gonna have a bitch fit.
SPEAKER_03No, and then uh no, and it was um well the king was just uh we're trying to pour his plants, right? And then the and then they come in.
SPEAKER_01Well they came in because he like the kin is basically he has no idea that there's a war because he's so sheltered. He doesn't care. Long fane does all of the work for him, so he's basically just uh a figurehead. Yeah, he's like the he's like the uh burning king. Oh yeah. Where they do nothing and they they get paid, they get paid to do nothing.
SPEAKER_04Hi, I'm your king. Yay! That's pretty much what he does. Basically, it's all he does.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's just paid, yeah, he's just paid to you know show up for like parties and war console meetings, maybe.
SPEAKER_00What not even that probably he just I mean this one just probably sits in his roof?
SPEAKER_01That's all it is. I I understood the point of figureheads. It's because of it's imaginable, yeah, but like systems like Great Britain model their government kind of after us in a way, where they still want a monarchy per se, for because you know, Great Britain has always had kings and queens, but they don't do any of the governing. Yeah, all the governing is done with the prime minister, which is basically the president. So basically, all the world family is is like this is what we used to have when we were, you know. Their job is basically to knight people, that's their job, that's their only job. They knight you. So, you know, how like uh Sir Patrick Stewart, he was knighted for being a good actor.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. He grabs.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Is he a sir yet?
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, yes. But anyway, back to uh back to this, back to the show.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so and then it's after this, that's when like once they're back in their house, and it goes off on everybody. Really, everybody goes off on everybody.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's yeah, it just turns into a giant fight fest. Where it's like kids being killed. Yeah, yeah, it's like it's yeah, it's kids.
SPEAKER_03It's there were you were doing all the work or something, right?
SPEAKER_01Like pretty much, but yeah, yeah. Did you know that your parents sold to the Fire Nation? Wait, what? Yeah, did you know that? Like they just keep going off at each other, and then Ain, what Ain says to Katara really like that's dumb.
SPEAKER_03Where where are you sneaking out? What like every every night?
SPEAKER_01Um Yeah, that that's dumb. Pretty that's that's dumb hard. And then uh Katara leaves. Um wanna say Ain kind of regrets it after what he said, because I think he knows he fucked up.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. Oh. Katara leaves, that's when him and Zuko get captured by the Daili.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, they get captured. Yeah, yeah, her and Zuko, which is basically the blue spirit and the pan lady versus the Daili.
SPEAKER_03Which which actually makes sense, you know, because I mean I liked it.
SPEAKER_01I thought it was kind of neat. Yeah, me too. I really enjoyed Oh smart. Yeah, it was very smart. I I enjoyed it. I like that Zuko. I don't know. I don't know why. I like this Suko more, this uh this story arc more uh for Suko because he seems like he doesn't want he seems like he's genuinely a good person. He doesn't want to hurt people. Yeah, he doesn't want to hurt people, or at least he doesn't know what he wants. He's more confused. But he's following his gut, yeah. What he thinks is right.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I like how Guitara goes off on it about it.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah, that's the next episode, which he finds out who he is.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Which is episode seven. Uh but before we do that, your score for that episode? Episode six? Episode three. Episode three? Uh yeah. I like the ending episode six. Me too. I thought the Indian was really good. Try it again. It ended with uh Aang figuring out where Apa is. Yeah, because yeah, he's he finally learned to listen. Yeah, the sense to the earth. Yeah, to the earth. Uh Toth gets kidnapped by her mother. Which that was that was kind of cool. Make sure meadow bends the next episode. No, no, but no, the way the mug got her.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. She poisoned her drink. Well, when knockout juice, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Drugged her drink. Drugged the drink. Yeah. Poisoned the drink.
SPEAKER_00I doubt well, I just want to make clear. Spike the drink, either way. Yeah, spiked the drink.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, whatever. No, she spiked it, which I thought was interesting. The mom poisoned. The mob it was interesting because the mom starts off kind of chill. Like kind of like kind of chill. And then once Toph realizes that she's been drugged, it takes a weird it takes like a very like Dark turn, right? Yeah. Took a very dark turn on that one, which was that it was that's that's good. I like that. Well she even tricked her and you. Yeah, she tricked the audience. Um I like that one. Soccer learns and gets kidnapped by Hatilee. Yeah. And then oh he's like um Chi block or something. Yeah, he gets Chi Block because it's uh he ends up completely paralyzed, getting paralyzed by uh she has to pillow with the what's her name? Oh wait, Tylee, yeah. Yeah, Tylee paralyzes him. Which I thought which was kind of funny in the next episode because he can't move.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. He gets Pelf from Psy.
unknownCalm down.
SPEAKER_00By the way, Top's mom, the reason why she's selling weapons to the Fire Nation, she's like, oh, we thought there was farming equipment.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00We didn't know it was weapons.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Didn't know.
SPEAKER_00Really? Really? The richest family in the world?
SPEAKER_04You didn't know you're selling weapons? Bullshit.
SPEAKER_03Ooh. They made her the the family or um attack that's nice.
SPEAKER_01Which is which technically like you could you can't interpret that like that would happen in the cartoon. That like there's certain earth-bending families that would side with the fire nation because it's more of we're we're siding with the winner so that we don't get killed.
SPEAKER_00And plus they're rich, and they're and rich people by default are assholes and villains.
SPEAKER_03That's true. Rock and fire like lava, I guess, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And that's how you get, yeah. Um, yeah, it's yeah, that's how you get lava bending. Yeah. No, but uh, or magma bending. Magma bending. No, but uh, yeah, and then going into episode seven, which is basically the uh capture escape episode. Um, Iro is looking for Zuko because he can't find him.
SPEAKER_03Well yeah, like well, but that was the whole point was Zuko starts to be more nicer and stuff.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, more nicer. He goes on a date too in episode six. I forgot. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. He ends up having the date on episode six. Uh episode seven is let me look at the scores for episode seven. Okay. This is where the the wheels fall. Yeah, we're all this is when this is when we hated it. So, drum roll, please. Alright, John, your score for episode seven, three point five. Josh, your score, three point five, me three point five.
SPEAKER_04Alright, Kyle?
SPEAKER_00Uh 2.5.
SPEAKER_012.5. So this is where the wheels fall off. Much like the last season, the last episode. Yeah, like where the wheels fell off.
SPEAKER_04When we when we did this last year, yeah. Time the I remember the episode was will he ever bend water? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01This one it makes Zuko portray the group, but in a way that does not seem like it would fit his character for the live action. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Because he seemed really changed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he seems very changed. When Katar and him talk, and like when they are escaping, he seems the most like, oh, he's gonna go.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then he does a 180. He does a 180, which I'm I'm assuming that they're changing it where him and Iro, because they were gone for a long time together.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god, where is Iroh? It took him so long to finally.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's why I said they he was gone for a long time. So the only thing I can think of is instead of Zuko's betrayal from the cartoon, they're gonna have Iro and Zuko agree to make it look like a betrayal.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's what I'm hoping. Yeah. Which sounds stupid. Because it is stupid, in my opinion. Because I would just have him go with the avatar. I would have Iroh get captured, but while he's getting captured, he's protecting them. I don't know. I also understand they need Aing to get hit by lightning. They are kind of they're kind of screwed with that. They have to have him get hit by lightning.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. And they do it in the most bullshit way possible.
SPEAKER_03Agreed. He tries to um um convince her to join them. Oh, I hate that so much.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that was the most dumbest technique. He goes to the Avatar state, like, like in like first the cartoon where he doesn't do anything. This time he actually does something. Yeah, he's actually kicking her ass. Yeah. And then he has he has her in his grasp, and then he's just like, uh-oh, no, I'm not a killer. And then she just shoots him with lightning, and that's it.
SPEAKER_01That's the one reason why I hate the cartoon that's the one thing about the cartoon I hate is and it's in episode it's in the third book when he's having these essential crises before. With fire battening? Yeah, no, before the before the uh battle with the fire lord.
SPEAKER_00He's having Yeah, about having to kill him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, about having to kill him. He's having an essential crisis, and he's got he's talking to all the past avatars before him to get advice. And every single one of them is like, you need to you need to do your job, you need to kill the fire lord. There's no other way. And then the writers write a bullshit thing with the lion turtle that we can take away bending, which I am like, that is complete and utter bullshit. I hate it.
SPEAKER_00Well, what's the thing? When you think about it, right? The Lion Turtle is older than every Avatar. So he's the only one who can show Aang the true way.
SPEAKER_01Yes, but when but if you read the comic books, which I read the comic books, guess what happens? When you leave a tyrannical dictator alive who's had the backing of all the fire nation, what happens when you leave them alive? Oh, they some people they do it in the bullshit.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, there's some poor fucking loyalists out there that still want them back.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, a little, if I remember correctly, it was a little ragtag group. Yeah, and they didn't last long.
SPEAKER_03Well, sometimes um they would well some I'll try I'll try to like I'll take over. Like it's I'll take its place and they you know and they haven't been worse than the viral order, you know. Usually.
SPEAKER_00But uh again, you're coming off a hundred-year war, you know, you're gonna have some loose things.
SPEAKER_01That's how that's how it works. But I'm just saying, it's like in this one, it doesn't work for this one because like Azula from episode one of season two or from when she's introduced in season one. From episode six from when she's introduced from season one and in season two, she has basically stayed the same. Azula? Yeah, Azula, she stayed the same, she stayed a cold-hearted bitch who was not to be honest with you. I'm surprised she offered Zuko a deal in episode seven. That was the surprising part because the way she interprets is that she and her, like their father, they're supposed one of them's supposed to kill the other. Okay. Because their father basically says, You gave me an air plus a span. So it's like eventually one of them's going to have to do the dirty work. Yeah. You're either gonna have to kill the other one if you want power. Or lock it up, if you're not trying to do it, lock it up for the rest of the Which I enjoy because it gives you this false, this false sense of like, does he like Zuko? Because it seems like he's picking her, picking Zuko, but it seems like he's doing it to get under her skin.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because that's what that's called manipulating.
SPEAKER_03I have I have Okay, I I'm trying to remember why um was she like like if that I'm trying to remember why she spared him?
SPEAKER_01Why because Azula spare Zuko.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, yeah. Well she well again she had him, like, I think.
SPEAKER_00Remember, okay, remember, like in the comics, like she know, like in the cartoon, she knew that she couldn't take both Aang and Katara on by herself. She needed Zuko to help. In the cartoon? Yeah. So it was pretty much the same thing. Plus, in this series, she's now like, oh, this is what our mother wanted for us to be together.
SPEAKER_01To take down the fire order.
SPEAKER_00To but like, and to win the war.
SPEAKER_03In the cartoon?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, in the live action.
SPEAKER_01In the live action. In the cartoon, she basically because Zuko really doesn't. He begins the process of changing, but he never really completely resolves to it. Yeah, he never really sticks to changing. That's why in the cartoon you can see when Azulo and him talk, you can see the betrayal coming. Whereas in this one, Zuko seems to be actually good. Like not he doesn't seem to be evil or bad. It seems like he's genuinely decent. Improved. Yeah, he's improved. That's why when this portrayal comes, it's kind of like why? That's why I'm like, there has to, he had to make a deal with Iron. Because Iro doesn't show up till the very end, which makes no sense.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. We're like, what the hell have you been?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's what pissed us off. It's like, where the fuck were you? Because like that had to like because they were off screen for a long time too, before that. They had that's what pissed us off. Yes.
SPEAKER_02He he had a lot of time just to help.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Yeah, and so did Toph when she busts them out. She's like, Oh, you see Aang and Katara fighting Zuko and Azula. Why don't you go help them? And like with her, they would have easily knocked them both. Well, she was captured.
SPEAKER_01No, she was trying to get Zaka.
SPEAKER_00This is after she metal bent, it broke out of her like confinement and headed back to Bas Singsei.
SPEAKER_01She helps Zaka and uh and the scientists get to the end to the exit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. But what did Fyro do? Iro did nothing. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01No, he wasn't running away. He was basically off screen. Like I that's why I said because Zuko and Iro were together before Zuko runs into Azula, there had to have been some kind of plan struck between the two. Or yeah, or that's the only thing that makes sense.
SPEAKER_03Or he pulled a he pulled he pulled a neutral ging where he did nothing.
SPEAKER_01The only reason why the only reason why I say that is because if you actually if you actually see Iroh in handcuffs, there's a moment where him and Zuko have like eye to eye. It doesn't seem like he's disappointed. It seems like it's all part of plan. It seems like something like there it seems like a plan had been dealt between the two of them. But you pretend you pretend to turn, I look pissed, then we both fuck him up.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Which makes no sense because it's like you're already with the avatar, just go.
SPEAKER_00And plus you just throw his entire character art from the cartoon out of the window.
SPEAKER_01Well, if well for the character art that they were doing in this show out the window. Yeah. You just threw it out the window. Because in the cartoon, you saw it coming because he really never he never really changed in the cartoon.
SPEAKER_03He was always kind of well his defense. He probably thought he'd be he'd be living a life forever, you know. A new life, but but then uh opportunity opportunity to go back to your father to get everything he wanted for three years.
SPEAKER_01Which he never, which after he did it, then that that betrayal hits where he's like, Well, I don't think I ever wanted yeah. I got I thought I wanted it, but it seems like I don't. Whereas in this one, it he's gone through so much to change, like from the farm, from the farmers, from the farmers, to boss sensei, the beginning of bossing say to like when he starts helping people. And he's not helping the firebenders, he's also helping a lot of earth benders, too. Like he's actually like he's changed, like he's doing what the blue spirit asked of him. That that was interesting.
SPEAKER_03I know the blue spirit is like a hero, like a like a superhero in this like um old world.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like well, he's like bad then.
SPEAKER_03Exactly, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And he's like, I want to be just like him, and then yeah, that's why I like about it, because it seems like he it seemed uh the way I look at it, the way the reason why he becomes a blue spirit is not his bump. Yeah, yeah. Because his bump's the one who introduced him to the blue spirit, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Which I appreciate.
SPEAKER_01No, no, I like that. I like that storyline.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's just yeah, that the reason why it's in 3.5 is it's confusing as all fucking hell.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's all it is. It's very confusing.
SPEAKER_03It gives you a lot of questions, you know.
SPEAKER_01So we have eight minutes left, so we're gonna talk about Suns of NRT with our friend. I give all we and Josh gave our opinion. We liked it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I'm actually made the opinion that I'm going to get Mr. Mayhem as a tattoo soon.
SPEAKER_01Okay. The Reaper.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, okay. But we know you made it through episode. We know you made it through season three. Well, I gotta skimmed a few scenes. That's fine. It's we we both did probably well.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, okay, I don't care, I don't care. Like um, what's the other thing? Charming, I watch it. Yeah, but Ireland, like, okay, uh, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_04No one scene that I I mean I watched through Ireland, but I was on my phone a lot.
SPEAKER_01So you just ignored it.
SPEAKER_04I I listened to when I hear things that were interesting. So like when uh when Jax kisses his sister. I was I was just going to go there, yeah. I was like, okay, you I'm like, okay, hope it just doesn't go past there. And then when she says, I wanna fuck my brother, she's like, I'm like, bad girl.
SPEAKER_01Well, she didn't know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. That was I blame the mom. Oh, the mom should have said something right away.
SPEAKER_01Like, I don't understand why the mob didn't say anything. Yeah. Like when Japs arrived. Like, I don't understand why. Because like, bitch, Gemma knows. Yeah. And Gemma knows that you're the love, you're the lover that took her man away from her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She also knows about the baby. She also knows you had a baby, too. So like, like I don't understand why Gemma didn't say shit to Jack.
SPEAKER_03That joke says to don't touch her. Well, I like how I like the I like the comments what Gemma made about um having a having a three-eyed grandchild or something, or two-headed grandchild.
SPEAKER_01I was like, I hate yeah, I hated the I just hate that season because I don't understand the necessity of it. No, no, I just don't understand why. Because it's like, dude, the guy's trying to get his baby back, and all of y'all are just being dicks. But you're using no, but you're using his baby to progress your your agenda.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Which is I like when Jack finally just snaps at uh the um traitor. At at the priest. Oh the father. And then I like the scene where Gemma, the Gemma scene that really got me this season, that season, was when Gemma puts that quotes the story of Solomon. You know, I'd much rather have a half a baby than no baby at all.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04And just puts the gun to the baby's head. I was like, and then I'm like, okay, that's ballsy. It's very ballsy. That's I got I got a lot of balls to do. And then I was like, Jesus Christ, okay, fine, just we'll tell you. Just you know.
SPEAKER_03And I hate the it's it's not really in Ireland. Like, like, and and the actors who who play Irish are just Americans trying to put an Irish accent. Yeah. Well, the guy in the uh the mustache, uh uh he's Irish. Or he's a no no, he's Australian. Oh well. Okay, I mean keep at least as is uh some other uh um foreigner, but still. But dude, just just hire for real Irish actors. Please. It is is really that hard. Well No, it's not.
SPEAKER_01It's it's cost money.
SPEAKER_03It would cost too much money. It's FX, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03If it were HBL, I guess, maybe Yeah, it's FX.
SPEAKER_01It also would cost them too much money to film in Ireland, so they just found a place that resembles Ireland enough that well no, on not no filming, uh well just the actors. Just that's what happens. They didn't film in Ireland, they filmed somewhere that they can manipulate and make it look like they're in Ireland. Alright. And then they hired whatever talent was there. Hey, can you do an Irish accent? I can kind of do an Irish accent. Okay. Then you're hired. You're in. Like, okay.
SPEAKER_04Yo, guys, we got 15 minutes before breakfast ends.
SPEAKER_01Yo, we got yo, we got three minutes before the timers in. Okay. So you know, summaries. Summary wise season three is shit.
SPEAKER_04Season three is the worst season in all the suns. It was it was uh what's the word?
SPEAKER_03Um blackluster. Well that and and like work that long.
SPEAKER_00Um well for me. The new Avatar movie, the animated movie, is yes, is a hundred thousand times better than anything Netflix could ever produce.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00Alright.
SPEAKER_03Well that's uh they don't care. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Follow the source material.
SPEAKER_03Have you seen of the original movies? Like what's never not that good, you know?
SPEAKER_01Well, no, they're never that good. Anyway, there's another extended episode of the Canada Podcast. Catch you later, guys.
SPEAKER_05Bye.