Chaos, Culture, And The Sound Of Dissent

Ever hear a lyric that flips on the light in a dark room? Jack Horner of the UK psychedelic duo The Dirt joins us to unpack Monkey Punch, a live-wire album tracked in just two days that insists albums should feel like stories, not shuffled singles. We dive into the line that’s still ringing in our heads—“Protons neutrons controlled by morons”—and use it as a compass for a bigger conversation about unity over division, resisting performative outrage, and building spaces where disagreement can breathe without turning toxic.

Jack pulls back the curtain on process: recording live without a drummer, trusting first takes, and partnering with producer Jason Shaw to preserve grit, air, and momentum. We talk about why some songs need six and a half minutes, why vinyl’s 42-minute canvas still shapes better narratives, and how algorithmic skimming flattens meaning. If you’ve ever missed the feeling of flipping a record, this one’s for you.

Culture threads through every riff. We map the parallels between long-form music and slow cinema—think Blade Runner and the rare sequel that dared to stretch time—arguing that patience isn’t a luxury, it’s a creative weapon. From social media’s shrinking attention spans to the resilience of underground scenes in the UK, US, and Japan, we make the case for art that outlasts the scroll. Monkey Punch is protest you can hum, a reminder that chaos can clarify when it’s channeled with care.

Hit play to hear how a minimalist setup carries maximal intent, why the underground still matters, and how storytelling structure can turn an album into a world. If this conversation moves you, follow the show, share it with a friend who loves long songs, and leave a quick review—your words help keep the signal strong.

Transcript

Setting The Tone Underwater

SPEAKER_00 0:02

What's up all my fishes in the sea? Thanks for tuning into the Fish Bowl. I'm your host Sam Fish and today's guest is Jack Horner from the critically acclaimed UK psychedelic rock band The Dirt. We talked about music, film, and his newly released album Monkey Punch with the hit single Chaos. Tune in and check it out. Welcome.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Welcome, thank you very much. Thank you for having me. Cheers, Sam.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Absolutely, cheers.

Introducing Jack Horner And Monkey Punch

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Thank you for taking the time to swim in the bowl with me.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Yeah, that's it, yeah. That's great. Little fish in a big ocean, eh? Yep, yep, you know.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Uh just swimming on swimming on by, swimming upstream, you know. That's it, gotta do our little bit. Exactly, exactly. You know, like I I like to think of myself as a mixture between a uh shark and a salmon. You know.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Oh really?

SPEAKER_00 5:27

Because the the shark, you know, you gotta be a shark, you know, to swim with the top dogs, but you also gotta be a salmon to swim against the stream. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

I like that. Good. I I I think I'd be a squid or an octopus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I seem to have fingers in a lot of pies. Multitask, a lot of small projects. None that are massive, they're all they're all small, so I yeah, I I get my tentacles out and um I'm a writer, so ink's perfect. So yeah, I don't know. That's a weird that's a weird way to start, isn't it? What what marine animal would you be?

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Subconsciously. I think I might actually start that as like a new segment with each other. Yeah, start. Which fish would you be? You know, yeah, what would you be? Which sea animal, you know.

SPEAKER_02 6:21

Yeah. In the landscape of the aquarium, where do you find yourself?

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Exactly, exactly, you know. Great analogy for life.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

Yeah, isn't it? Yeah, just just take us all under the water and say, where would you survive in this totally new landscape?

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Right, right. And and uh the greatest thing about uh the ocean is you know, there's plenty of fish in the sea.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

There is plenty of fish in the sea, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

There's room for everyone. Yeah, there is exactly except with this uh crazy world we live in, which by the way, I've I've listened to uh Monkey Punch a couple times now. What a phenomenal album from you guys. It might be probably my my favorite one to uh to date. I I follow you guys on Band Camp and everything, you know, on following on Facebook, and what a monkey punch, uh power punch of uh of lyrics with so much, you know, uh subject of society, where we're at, what is going on in the world, but also without like

Lyrics, Politics, And Unity Over Division

SPEAKER_00 7:30

doing it in such a way where like here on the States, it's like if you voted for Trump, you know, you're you're a uh a racist and uh a white bigot and and you know a Nazi and all that. And if you voted for Harris or Biden, you know, it's it's like civil war essentially, you know, and you know, I don't voice my political opinions on air at least. You know, I I definitely voice them. Just not not on air, but I find it like very, you know, it's like England, the UK, the EU, Australia, it's all, you know, the the it's all like Western, you know, influenced countries and everything, and we all seem to be kind of going through a lot of the same issues, both through education, politically, stuff like that. And I just have to say that the you know, like in the 90s you had Rage Against the Machine, you know, all not even just the 90s, like going back to you know, British invasion, Lenin, Hendricks, you know, all the Beatles, you know, all the all the major British invasion, you know, bands and and you know, American bands of the the original, like, you know, major first wave of like rock and roll back in the 60s and 70s. I mean, and and the 90s, I kind of compare as like really the last like major musical movement where it was not just a musical movement, it was an artistic movement. It was like you had bands talking about political stuff, you had bands talking about the arts and and just you know life and and you know their experiences, and you don't like have that anymore, at least in the mainstream. It's like all all the music that I I listen to is you know, like your stuff, stuff from Fuzz Club Records, Little Cloud Records, you know, heavy spike sounds, rise above, you know, all the stuff that is like really the last, like really underground, like thriving movements of of rock and roll. And you know, I was listening to your your album again yesterday to like refresh myself with it. And you know, you said you're a writer. I I'm a writer as well. I went to school for screenwriting here in Pittsburgh, and you know, I know all about like listening and just deciphering lyrics and and all that. And the next to the last song on the album, I wrote it down here, oak. There's a couple lyrics you say in there, and one of them stood out to me like really more than any any of the other ones on the entire album. And I wrote it down here, and it's Protons Neutrons Controlled by Morons. You know, and I I when I heard that, I'm like, that that not only stood out to me, it's like yes, yes, absolutely, 100%, not just in the US, but you know, if you look around the world, you know, it's everywhere. You know, it's like the state of of like, you know, whatever, wherever we're at in society right now, you know, it's I I look I took those those lyrics specifically, you know, out of all the other ones and all the other songs on the album. That one really stood out to me and I was like, holy shit. Like, like, what a great way not just to like mock it, but also like summarize it in a very like philosophical way to kind of say like whether you're an American, you know, uh a bred, you know, Scott, Irish, you know, EU, whatever, Australian, wherever you're from, it's like it's all the same. You know, and I I just was like that that lyric, like, and and that song in particular really stood out to me. And I was like, that that is like the music that we need. That is like the artistic movement that like the the world needs right now. It's like we need more musicians and free thinkers.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

It's like the big thing, you know. Free thinkers is like, you know, like the biggest thing I hear about like the Gen Zs is they're not critical thinkers. You know, they they they don't know how to like, you know, think for themselves. And I don't know how true that is for like the entire, you know, lot of them, but I can tell from experience in my

Free Speech, Social Media, And Lost Nuance

SPEAKER_00 12:40

own crossings that it's it's definitely uh true to a certain extent.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

I I think like then lyrics, and I think it's all about the world is set up for division now, isn't it? It's it's like left or right, blue or red or exactly or gay or black or white, and the world is set up that currently in the current climate, and this is without I don't know too much, but with Fox News or with what we've got over in the UK and anywhere, it's all about division. You have to choose a side which is wrong. And and and my words are literally like that lyric that you just quoted. It's like we are all atoms, we are all the skin colour is literally how you deal with the sun, that's what it's about through evolution. We are all the same, there are different cultures, there are people with different backgrounds, different with different thought processes, but we we're all equal, and and we should be fighting the system of totalitarianism and dictatorships, not fighting between ourselves. And that is kind of where how I prompt it. It's it's not about I sit on this side as a socialist and I'm telling you you're all wrong on the other side, you're not wrong. You've been brought up, you've got your total fine way of jud judging what you do through your family, your job, your house, whatever you want to do. What I'm saying is we should be working together, and we should be telling we should be telling these people in charge, you do not have a free reign to abuse us. And and and that is kind of where I want to go with monkey punch that if we keep fighting with each other, the apes will take over, or someone else will come out of the water with the next generation, and when a new species will rule this earth, because we are messing it up, and and that is in a succinct message what I'm talking about. And and I think what you mentioned there about the Gen Z and about generations, we do think different, we've brought up differently with social media. There's a fear of offending these days, whether it be through comedy or through straight talking, that people of a generation that probably we were from, if we didn't like someone or a thought in public, in a bar, at a match, at football, or anywhere in public, we would be happy to say, mate, that's wrong. Unfortunately, these days it all gets put onto a platform online and people are brought up. People are brought up differently, and it's easier to be abusive and threaten and and than it it than it was. And I think by that we monitor it that we cannot be outspoken. There is nothing wrong with being opinionated and outspoken. It is literally how your mum and dad taught you to be polite and nice and deliver it in a very nice, succinct way, rather than and and and it's kind of got lost. I think it's got diluted and and lost as the the ability to communicate. And it's not a generation's fault, it's the way society has changed and the way computers have the way the computers took over, and we've become reliant on getting our information off a screen rather than walking to a shop and buying a newspaper or or l or talking to your friends and networking like we used to do at festivals in the underground. But it's nice that all those things you mentioned of all those labels and record people, that they they are still thriving. And and there is a I I I I I I look online and and I see what's going on in the States and in and in other parts of that side of the world. And and and with my wife being Japanese, there is a thriving underground and there is a thriving subculture, and and we need that because if that gets muted, uh the system's beat us, and uh we we have to keep sharing it. I was only saying that to my neighbour today that we need to shout, and as people with an element of uh vocal point, we we we have a privilege to tell the world through writing, through story, through music, what we think is wrong, and it's whether for people to agree or disagree with us, and you shouldn't be offended if someone disagrees with you. It's it's literally a point of view. Opinions are like backsides, everyone's got one. We've just got some of us have got bigger ones than others. That's kind of what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

And I've got a lot of I've got a lot of opinions. I just choose to not sit on the fence but say, Here's my thought, I'm gonna put it into a lyric, I'm gonna put it into a song.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Tell me what you think. I'm just gonna provoke your thoughts and and you can decide whether I'm right or wrong. Whether you whether you agree or disagree, there's a there's a message in there from which I'm experiencing through any other one of my senses, and I'm just saying it how it is from my eyes, which I believe is quite unbigoted, fair, balanced.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

I I I completely agree. I mean, and and going back to Monkey Punch, first of all, the the album just gets better and better as it goes along. After listening to it, like it's it's a phenomenal album, but it's one of those albums that like starts out really good, and then as you listen

The Underground Still Breathes

SPEAKER_00 17:20

to like the journey of you know, the the progression of the songs and the chords and the lyrics and you know, going from the intro track to the very end with chaos, it's it's definitely a journey, but it in in my opinion it kind of just gets better and better as you go along, you know, and and then when you reach the end, it it's like you know, you you've you it it's literally like like like being a writer and telling a story, and what I've learned in going to screenwriting school, it's like there's that three-act structure, at least in you know what the the modern the what the Greeks came up with and what became like you know the three-act structure was storytelling. And it it the album for sure has that like beginning act, the mid-act, and and the final act. And really like toward towards the end with like the the climax and when you get to the final track, chaos, it's like at the end, it just is like wow, like this was not just like a great rock album and you know, psych, you know, psych rock album. You know, it was it was literally like, you know, I listened to a lot of stuff that Jason Shaw, you know, produces and all the bands that you know, I mean he in my opinion, he's he's one of like the last great not just musicians, but like producers and you know finding bands and helping bands out that like in in my opinion is one of the the most reliable labels, as well as like putting out like just phenomenal bands in the in the in in like the psych rock genre. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

They do, yeah. He's unbelievable to work with his Jason, he's very knowledgeable. And and when we did this second album, the first one we've done in Manchester with It's Tatchiko's built uh pedal boards, and I've changed my lyrics and we've built percussion. And when we decided, we we we said Jason was the one of the only people we wanted to work with because he's guitar, he's a pedal head, he's worked with bands that have then gone onto Fuzz Club, he's but he he works with friends of ours, Helicon. And literally we went, Jason's the one, he he's gonna get our music and he's gonna help us produce something which is gonna be uh wholesome and is gonna get the best out of what Satchiko produces through through her pedals. And and it it we we were right in the end, and and it was great, he's become a good friend, and and it his techniques were really good. And he was shocked at first when I said we could do an album in two days, and he was like, Really? Oh, I was like, Okay, so we went up and and we did it in two days. Um wow because because we we record it all live and we don't have a drummer, and and there's only two of us, so

Crafting Monkey Punch In Two Days

SPEAKER_02 20:30

we would do two or three takes, decide the best on last scratch vocals, and then I'll just go raw down a mic and put the the the the the the vocals on in the in the last afternoon. And he was like, Wow, I've never done an album in two days, and then we went out for dinner, and then we it was like wow, there we go. But let's hear what it sounds like when it's mixed, and we were just amazed at what he came up with. It was just wow, but it it still transposes to live because we are a live band and there is only two of us, there is nowhere to hide. We are literally guitars, percussion, vocals. And when I say percussion, it's very much my wonky sample pad electric drums. So there is nowhere to hide. So doing it like recording live takes was it's our way, and and we like to do that. I think it it keeps that energy like you were talking about, the drive, the continuous increase and the momentum, and offers resilience. So you've got to give it everything, and and it comes out on the vinyl and it comes out on the recording then. So yeah, it was the it's it's the only way that we really know how or able to to lay tracks down for recording. It's um it's a nice way of doing it. It's organic, it's it keeps the energy in there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Some bands sound better studio and when you see them live, it's like, yeah, I I like the studio stuff better. And then there's musicians that you simply cannot contain. What like the I mean, I don't know what the right word, like the essence, the the drive, you know, the the spirit of uh of of what the ban is, you know, like like going back to Hendrix, you know, you couldn't contain what what he had in his studio. No, no. And it's kind of ironic that, you know, he he passed as early as he did. And therefore, like, he only did what, like three actual like studio recorded albums. I know they released like technically his fourth, but you know, he's not even like singing on a lot of the tracks because it was like a rights issue and for for decades. And they finally like was like, you know, we'll we'll release it. And forget what the album is called, but it it has like a lot of songs that he ended up playing live, like Hear My Trainer Coming, and some a few other songs that were on there that were all ended up being played live. And you know, as much as I was like, you know, I you know Hendrix is like my favorite guitarist of all time, one of my top probably five favorite musicians from that era. And you know as as much as I was excited to to listen to the album and I I did as soon as it came out and listened to its entirety the whole way through I was like you know this is this is I I I guess I like that they you know put it together to release it. But like I think I would have preferred if if you know I was alive back when you know he was thriving to to hear this and then maybe they could have you know added vocals in or something because a lot of the tracks it's just like instrumentals because it's like they never he wasn't alive he'd passed before they could lay down the the vocals for all the tracks. But at the same time like hearing as much as I've

Live Energy Versus Studio Limits

SPEAKER_00 24:00

heard hearing my trainer coming live you know and then I compare it to to hearing it on you know the the final you know technically studio you know album I'm like this just doesn't compare. I mean especially because I mean first of all hear my trainer coming is probably the the bane of gypsies live at the film version of that that song it's like nine and a half minutes something like that maybe cl close to 10 and that specific version because obviously he's you know performed countless you know live studio albums with different versions of like Red House and you know Hear My Trainer Coming and all these classic songs you know from his his first three studio albums you know it just is like to me it was like it doesn't get any better than than hearing Hear My Trainer Coming you know live at the film and especially if if like I want to trip out you know and smoke some reefer and like really listen like dive into some some old you know classic you know hits and jams you know and stuff but I mean the the studio it just doesn't compare. And with you guys you know I I wish I hope you know at some point you can come to the states and and I can I can see the or I I come over to the UK or even Japan or something you know and I get to see you guys like the the whole like live you know drive and essence the spirit you know of the Dart you know performing live but it's like I I can I can tell you know with with with Monkey Punch that it's like there is a lot of of like energy yeah you know with with you guys that I can hear it in the studio and also by the way one one thing I love love about listening to old music and discovering new music is when I I see a band that has like tracks that are you know really six minutes or longer. Yeah if if you know I'm like I've had this conversation with a lot of other musicians and you brought up Helicon my hat John Paul Hughes on the show while oh nice good lot that was a great chat and I even talked about this with him it's like you know like I I'm uh I'm like a dying breed you know with with like on the topic of like bringing Gen Zers up again it's like I was born in 88 so and I just had a birthday so you know I'm like uh actually chaos was released on my birthday yeah so that that was a good a really good birthday present to to jam out to and you know it just is like the the Gen Zers and and this goes for film too with them because of everything we just you know talked about briefly with like social media and TikTok and you know Facebook and Instagram with like you know reels and you know only kind of having the attention span of like a a ferret or something.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

You know yeah that's what it is it's the tension spans isn't it it's like a good I I love a good two three hour film but now everything is Netflix which means it's 30 minute series so your the attention span is smaller. Spotify and and and and I I meant to mention this and when we were talking and you you were talking about monkey punch as an album bands older or people we curate an album to tell a story which will last 42 minutes and squeeze as much onto a 42 minute vinyl as we can the current climate is one Spotify track and people are moving on. They'll listen to it and they'll move on. Swite right squite right it's like dating swipe right swipe right whatever people do on their dating sites. Right I've seen that swipe right my attention span's gone Netflix do the same that they will show film in five parts effectively or whatever they're doing. So Spotify as well takes away the curatorism of a of an album which we still as two fifty well I'm 54 the wife's 53 we still used we've grown up in a vinyl age where we'll hear the crackle and we'll play an album flip it over and we'll listen to it and we'll judge

Long Songs, Albums, And Attention Spans

SPEAKER_02 28:30

the album on the album not just the first two minutes of a three minute track and and and like you said with a six minute track it radio is saying we don't play your tracks if it's over three and a half four minutes I need a radio I'm like I'm like that song's six and a half minutes and I can't take any of my words or any of Satchiko's guitars out of there. It's six and a half minutes and it's staying at six and a half minutes whether you like it or not because there's there's a story to be told like you say the beginning the midsection and the L so what do you want me to do check out an introduction check out a conclusion check out a middle section it it don't work the song is then effectively chopped up and minced and it means nothing exactly exactly and and and that's exactly the point I was getting to it's like people like me you know because I I'm like I I think technically the cutoff for people like me is is 1990.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

It's like what once you get to like 91 and and and on like I've noticed that that that's the generation where like it really has shifted not just like with with entertainment and music and film but with the whole politically you know and the ideas that are going on and circulating around you know all over the world essentially right now and that has almost caused us to be as divided as we are. And like I my my sister was born in 91 and and I notice a clear definitive clear difference in how you know I think and what I like and not just her but you know her you know I grew up with her friends and you know and then seeing like you know people younger than her and I went to school you know college you know late so I was like you know a good few years older than a lot of the the kids that I I I went to school with. And you know a lot of them looked up to me and I feel like I I went to college at like just the right time because you know some of the stuff that was forming with like I mean I could definitely tell there was like going to be a division of like what we were talking about with the right versus the left and and all that. And I also could tell that there was a lot of anti-semitism like under the it was it was coming to like a peak. It was gonna it was gonna explode into what is going on on the campuses around the world you know right now and everything going on that was kind of inevitable to happen in the Middle East. But it's it's like I I I definitely noticed that like it was definitely I want to say the 91 on it that that was the major shift because people you know the I have friends that are like you know born you know in the the mid late 90s and that that aren't like that but you know for instance like the attention span thing like for me I'm sure for you as well Blade Runner is probably one of one of your favorite films. It's one of my top top five favorite films sci-fi films of all time.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

I've had conversations with you know you know I'm I'm just turned 37 I've had conversations with younger you know kids that are young adults that are like I guess just turning 30 or you know like late 20s and you know they they asked me in fact you know I I I dated a girl who was like in her in her mid-20s and she you know the first night we're hanging out and she was like really in the movies and stuff and she was like what's you you don't like Blade Runner do you I was like yeah I like Blade Runner it's like one of my top five favorite uh films sci-fi films of all time you know and she's she went she literally went like oh you're one of those yeah and one of those and then I said well I I I'm thinking to myself okay well you know that that kind of ends you know that's the end of that and then uh that god we found this one out on the first day and not a year later right you know yeah you know but but like uh and then I started like asking you know other people just you know at various jobs I've worked and you know just just at conventions and stuff and it's like you know they all that whole it's it's actually more I want to say like the the mid to late nineties to the 2000s kids that are now like in their you know turning 21 and you know Jesus like technically 25 you know if we would go there but it's kind of crazy to think but I think this has this has got a lot to do with the millennia shift hasn't it uh where we always thought the world was going to end it didn't end it just that line the world changed I think and and people that were like you said born in who turned into their double figure preteens

Generational Shifts And The Internet

SPEAKER_02 34:00

pre-pubescent that were just in the in the shift of the millennia they were brought up once they got into post pubescent age the internet just dropped on their lap whilst they were developing as adults and and it's like this huge thing just suddenly landed on their lap and their world just exploded open whereas I tentatively went around the internet going oh this this is a this is a foreign thing to me this is alien I don't trust it it took me years to do internet banking it took me years to have a card it took me years to go to social media properly I I'm like treading very slowly and I think with with trepidation and I think we did that but with them it landed on their lap and they ran with it and that's where attention spans with the internet that you could just click move click move the life changed seriously did with and then we had obviously streaming then we we had Netflix we talked about programs films different and that world totally changed and I think that where we looked into a post sci-fi dystopian world as something that was intriguing we we're kind of now living among some of that and that's what that's what monkey punch is it's a dystopian post-apocalyptic story that if we're not careful that we're gonna live the monkey punch and and I just want to tell it so yeah right and and and you know Blade Runner again it's like look look at how much that another reason why it's one of my favorite films is look at how accurate you know I I mean I mean it it said 2019 which you know was a little early but look look where we're at and how much of like Blade Runner is is has come true.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Yeah the year might have been off a little bit but uh it's quite accurate for the time when the film was written yeah exactly exactly and and I mean one of the only like actual sequels not a not a reboot an actual sequel that I was like totally okay with was the Blade Runner sequel they did uh was it 20 2049 I I per I saw that in IMAX theaters you know it was technically pre-COVID and uh you know I was like first of all when I saw the timeline it was like almost three hours long I was like yes yeah you know this is this is a fight back against the system and the current norm isn't it three hour film exactly you know and and and how ironic that that the film the first Blade Runner when it came out totally underperformed totally was misunderstood totally like uh receptive like in a in a not the best way but it was like it became an instant call classic yeah and that's when cult classics and subcultures are formed aren't they when something goes against the norm and they don't get familiarity in popular culture. Exactly and and the sequel did the exact same thing you know people in this generation didn't understand it they you know a lot of people I mean I remember when Fury Road came out the the first you know reboot of Mad Max and I I remember being in the audience and this this this young couple was like in the the row above me and the girl the the guy's girlfriend or whatever was like you know had never seen any of the the Mel Gibson trilogy before and she was just there with him he had obviously seen it but but she was only there because of Tom Hardy you know which is a uh one of my favorite actors and in a in uh Brit and everything so yeah that that that guy on on the subject of movies real quick and and in in uh England and all that the movie he did where he was he played the the the cray twins yeah played both parts didn't he yeah yeah you know he should have won an Oscar for that um and and I mean you know I I've seen a couple different like versions of you know interpretations of the the Cray brothers but his remote like

Dystopia, Blade Runner, And Prophecy

SPEAKER_00 38:30

my 100% full opinion that is the British Goodfellas. Yeah it it it it has a tall it's like written like like goodfellas you know and and like uh the the straight brother that is the more you know the one with all his marbles kind of running you know is is like pretty much like a mixture of like I guess you could say De Niro Jimmy uh Paulie and and you know Leota before you know he he started going down the the drug route and and his his gay brother the psychopath yeah is basically Joe Joe Pesci uh Joe Pesci yeah you know that is crazy unhinged exactly exactly and it's it's it's just like I I I saw that uh you know like I it's it's one of my favorite most like more recent films especially in the the the English gangster genre because the only main director that that I follow that you know is is in that genre pretty much is his genre is Guy Ritchie.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Yeah and and then there's the other film um a Lair Cake with Daniel Craig that's a classic film yeah that's a class that's one of the first ever ones wasn't it that was done and it it sums up about drug dealing and drug mafia about the rhymes keep going it's a good film Lair Cake really like that.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Yeah Lair Cake is Lair Cake I actually I I think is more like in the roots of traditional like gangster films and even you know English for English gangster films.

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Yeah but you know I mean I I like I I really like guy rich I mean snatch you know it's it's is a classic yeah you know lock stock you know his first film you know I are really appreciated for its like ingenuity with like doing different stuff with yeah camera techniques and stuff like that that you really don't see anymore you know uh now it was like the that that was 99 I think which was like the last that was when you had the Matrix and you know I think Blade was like 97 or something 98 in that time frame so it was like the last kind of like you know year in the 90s where you had like different camera styles and techniques and well the man behind you with Dust Till Dawn Tarantino he he's another one isn't he yeah yeah yeah uses those totally avant-garde totally different style camera storytelling really yeah yeah and um I I I like that kind of stuff as well it's raw it's it's it's got a level of honesty to it and a level of you you can buy into it and immerse yourself in that story because there's a lot of elements to it that you can relate to in normal life.

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Right from Dust Till Dawn about going to a T I'm going to twist to meet a lot of vampires but yeah it's like yeah that that that's that and and the the the first Dust till dawn is one of my all-time favorite vampire films and horror films. I I mean you know the the the collaboration between Tarantino rewriting the script and Rodriguez you know directing it and having that that that that like Texas you know bring up you know you know the only the only you you know people are from Texas and the West with with like us when they have that writing style and and like shooting style that's specifically you could only be from like the West to kind of have that that like trying to find the right word not to it's not look but maybe like vibe and yeah like it's it's got a certain aesthetic hasn't it's a lot of yes yes that's it that's it yeah yeah that someone from like the east coast like it wouldn't be the same you know like if you're like Martin Scorsese couldn't do a a western as good as like someone who was a filmmaker from the West you know because he he's really good he's from New York you know so like in all his movies for the most part take place in New York and then rightfully so because that's what he knows. What's up all my fishes in the sea thanks again for tuning in and for being a subscriber your continued support means a lot I want to let all my guppies in the sea know you can now purchase custom fishbowl merch by DMing me Samfish on Instagram at thefishbull88 or on Facebook at the fishbowl. Get hooked on yours today we have custom t-shirts, mugs, pens, handbags, hats, beanies, hoodies everything to make you the coolest looking fish in the city. And if that's not enough I am now accepting early access subscribers on my Buzzprout website. That's right you can subscribe for early access to the Fishpool's content as well as I am accepting donations to help keep the show going. Again you

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