Dying For Living: The Experiences of Patrick Kilpatrick

On his third interview with the Fisch Bowl, actor Patrick Kilpatrick talks about his experiences in the acting world in films like Last Man Standing, working alongside household names like Christopher Walken and Bruce Willis, and his upcoming film currently in the production stage, Dying For Living.

Transcript

Welcome To The Fishbowl

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Attention, all you fishes in the sea.

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Welcome to the Fishbowl. It's Sam Fish.

SPEAKER_00 0:08

What's up, all my fishes in the sea? Thanks for tuning into the Fishbowl and for being a subscriber. I'm your host, Sam Fish, and today's guest is a recurring guest, Patrick Kilpatrick. On today's episode, we talk about his work on Minority Report, Last Man Standing, Eraser, and a bunch of other cool stuff. You don't want to miss this episode. Check it out. All right, Patrick Kilpatrick on the fishbowl once again. Good morning.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Good afternoon.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Great to have you on the show again. This time we can actually see. Well, I can see you. My apologies about my camera issue.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

I got there you go. You're there. In and out, in and out. Yeah. See, that was a perfect example. I use the word intermittent. You use the word in and out. That's in and out is much preferable to intermittent.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

In the context of screenwriting.

Making Dying For A Living

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Right, right. You know. Definitely. Let's let's talk about your new film you have coming out, Dying for a Living.

Film Financing And Distribution Reality

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Well, Dying for a Living has been an incredibly transformational journey for me. Let's start about just in the production. I've got a really great team. First of all, writing, directing, producing, and acting in a movie of this scale may be a bridge too far. But we managed to get through the first week and the second week, the second week we started to hit our stride. I would be remiss to say that I think, you know, in an effort to make it all turn out the way it was, I look, you do what you have to do, but the bottom line is I think it was a very transformational experience for me in learning how to lead people. That you can never get lose your cool about it. You can never, it just isn't the way to lead people. So we began to hit our stride in the second week. I feel like I personally got a great deal out of that process because I you have decision making coming at you so fast from so many different quarters that eventually I liken it to like being in combat. You really have to steady yourself and only focus about what is two feet in front of your face, and as they say, slay the dragon right in front of your face, and then move on to the next thing. So it looks great. The footage looks great. We have got about 45%, 50% of the film done. Here's the other great life lesson I got from that, which was what appears to be a negative, which I thought I knew this lesson, but it was very much reinforced for me on Dying for a Living. What appears to be a negative actually is positive on the road to the final product, the final film. For example, like I wanted my son to play this particular part. He's incredibly handsome and six foot five and a natural good actor. I know from having directed, directed him in school plays and stuff as he was growing up. He's now 25. And I asked him to do it, and he didn't want to do it because acting's not his thing. He's a really talented architect. And so he said, no. Well, so I ended up hiring an actor who looked similar, who was immensely accomplished and highly skilled and educated in acting. And on the day of the shoot, he got COVID. And so I had to call my son and say, please, will you help your old man out? And he he did it. So it was really like destiny was taking care of me and wanting my final realization to happen. And you have to really accept that. We broke because we ran out of money, but that allowed us to have the opportunity to rewrite the script, to add in depth, to make it much more deeper, connect all the dots, and to create some additional cast, which really elevated the project. So, on the one hand, it's how though you ran out of money, the movie stopped, but it's all for the good of the final project. So now what we're doing right now is we're working really hard to get somebody to come in and play my brother for three days, who's a huge name, who would elevate the distribution rights of the film astronomically, and at the same time find that sweet spot where they don't want two, three million dollars. They want a figure that we can pay and get them to supplement the cast. We added Nina Bergman, who's brilliant and is a great asset. I'm very excited about working with her again. I did Assassin X with her successfully, and she's just a terrific talent and great physical action, acting skill actor, great actress, real great beauty. Happy to have her come in and play my ex-wife in the film. We've just made the project reach her. Now that leads to the process of raising money. Raising money, as I just was telling you off camera before we started recording. It's a journey of evolution, strategic materials that's supported. It has a lot to do with numbers. It has a lot to do with the distribution community, which they're hardcore conservative. I don't want to say bottom feeders, but they are very, very hardcore cold cash number guy guys and ladies. And so you're working in that world. They don't particularly care about artistic considerations. It's all down to numbers. They care about artistic things, but only as it supports the numbers. So that's a journey in itself. Just like acting, you've got to make sure that you're coming from an authentic place, even when it becomes mind-numbing. And so I jump in the cold pool all the time and wash it off and then go right back onto the track. That's what's going on with that. It's a learning process, and I'm enriched by the learning process. And I really mean that. It can be debilitating, sort of like law school. You know, they really put you through the basis, but I know in the end that it will be good for the project. We got another project that we have elevated the script, and we hope to shoot it in Colorado called First American, which is a terrific project. That's a sort of a side job that came in. The director that I just did a movie called Nessie with in Scotland, which will be out in Christmas, Robbie Moffat wrote the original script, and we elevated it here at Uncommon Dialogue Films, and we've got that out to some big name talents. So hopefully that will come together. It's a much bigger budget than dying for a living. Not as expensive as some of our other projects, but still significant elevation of the money involved. Did a lot of meetings with Arizona tax incentive people and film commission people. Just a lot of seeking of funding. You know, the heartwarming thing about all everybody in this town, whether it's Spielberg or me or anybody. They're all looking for funding, whether it's from a studio, streaming service, or a high network individual, or a hedge fund or whatever. You're all it's kind of heartwarming. We're all doing the same thing. And I think that's part of the life of a filmmaker. The money has to come from somewhere. So there you go.

Casting The Antagonists And Ensemble

SPEAKER_00 9:07

Very cool. Very cool. Now the the big baddie and thying for living is Costus Mandlore, right?

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Yeah, he's supplemented by Tatiana Neva, who is plays my ex-wife, who is central to all of that. And Nina coming in to play my other ex-wife. He is the central on the screen antagonist, although this person who's coming in to play my brother would be uh the Uber band. So um that's what's going on with that. It's an intricate ensemble piece. There's a lot of parts to the puzzle. And Costus is fantastic. He does this incredible job. Consus is the kind of guy like I am that, you know, you just tell them what you need and want, and they bring it, uh, which is a great pleasure to work with. Aside from the fact he's a superb man, you know, a real man's man, an authentic personality, and a dear friend, and I really bless to work with him. He's a super scout, too. He's out there always looking for assets, funding assets, distribution assets, and things like that. So very much part of the team here.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

That's awesome. I um I actually got to meet him um a couple years ago at Pittsburgh's local Comic-Con. Right. And uh he he was a super nice guy. I'm I'm trying to get him on my show, and I'm I'm friends with him on Facebook, but I'm not sure how often he checks his Facebook messages, but he's definitely someone I would love to get on the show. And I'm also a big fan of his his brother as well.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

We have Lewis, we almost were gonna have him in the movie. Lewis has had some success with Death Collector, um, so and a number of other things. So it really came down to dollars, and and in the end, we really decided that we we had our Mandalore brother already. But never say never. Lewis may enter dying for living at some juncture. You know, there's already a circus of really talent quality to Olivia Gruner is an uh action name. Egan Machado, the eight-time uh world jujitsu champion, is just a super guy and is doing an extraordinary job in the movie. We added Victorian Prince, who's an NBA superstar, for a couple of reasons. He's got a really great look. He's got a really aggressive style of play. And uh he's our sort of first person we're cultivating out of the NBA. Who else Tatiana Neva does a great job athletically and acting wise, of course, he's very beautiful as well. So I'll I'll I'll mention it to Costas, have him come on your show.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Oh, that would be fantastic. Thank you. That'll be awesome.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

He's an easygoing guy. He lives in Portugal, so and he just had a baby. Oh, congrats. Yeah, so I guess maybe she's four or five months now. That's Tina. So yeah, he'll be a great dad and have a lot of fun doing that too. His lovely wife, Victoria.

Becoming A Grandparent In 3D

SPEAKER_00 12:44

That's awesome. That's awesome. I had a grandson. Yes, I I I heard. Congrats.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

Alexander Jude Kilpatrick, he's awesome. Uh uh, you know, interesting. I know for my wife's grandchildren, granddaughters, you know, there's a lot of FaceTiming. So it's interesting to watch this process of how uh these very tiny new beings uh uh relate with the two-dimensional Patrick or Heidi. And then when you meet them in real life, uh you're you're three-dimensional. And in the case of Heidi, it's sometimes her kids were living in another state, so her grandchild, yeah, so the grandchildren. So they had a lot of that two-dimensional FaceTime thing. And so uh it kind of comes as kind of a slightly disorientating shock when you're suddenly a three of the three-dimensional being in front of them.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

I'm sure, I'm sure that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Yeah, Alexander Teeth's about two months old now.

Last Man Standing With Bruce Willis

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Fantastic, fantastic. I I wanted to let you know, one of my all-time favorite films that you're in is Last Man Standing. And it's also one of my favorite Bruce Willis slash Walter Hill films. And I recently reached out to Walter Hill's publicist, and I'm trying to get in the process of having him come on the show. And, you know, one of my probably one of my biggest inspirations for just everything I like, writing, movie style. I I was wondering, I guess, you know, with the recent news with Bruce Willis retiring, uh, could you maybe share an experience or some experiences, what it was like to work with both Walter and Bruce Willis on that film?

Stunts That Almost Went Wrong

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Yeah, I uh I love Walter. I haven't seen him for a while. Um we share shoting things. Let's see. Overall, Last Man's Fanny was a really fun job to do. I auditioned for the job and got it. And then as I was going out the door, I said to him, Can I read for this other part? Because it was bigger, not knowing that that was the Chris Walkin thing that they had offered Chris Walken. So uh Walter said, Well, I like a man who likes to play poker, you know, sort of upping the ante. Of course, they didn't have me shoot back because I had found out later that they had already offered that part to Christopher Walken. I remember I played an Irish American there, and I remember it was a lesson that I kind of generally carried with me. I had prepared the dialect, and they wanted me to back down on the dialect just a little bit so that it was a little less pronounced, which is easy to do. That was that. I also remember working with Christopher Walken, who I've had some connections with in the past, that weren't necessarily acting, but just meeting at events and restaurants and things and talking and sending in material. But it was really interesting to watch how he works, and he sort of improvs many different versions of a line. And so the editor, at least then, I don't know what he's doing now as a work uh process, but then he would literally come up with about, I don't know, 20 different versions of a line. And so the editors must have a and all of which were spot on and really cool. I'll give you an example, like if his line was, hey, how are you, Patrick Kilpatrick, he would say, um, hey, it's Babaloo, Babaloo, uh Mokla Balouk, Patrick Kilpatrick, and you know, just playing with it. And then he'd do this 20 different times, and each one of them different. And so the editor would have a selection of a lot of different things. That was interesting. I, you know, I talk about uh last man's family a lot in my book, volume two of which, in my memoir, volume two of which I'm working polishing right now. It was written before COVID with the first book, The Dying for a Living, Volume One, but I split it into two volumes, and this one is all show business. And I talk about Last Man Standing a lot in the in the book. I I remember Karina Lombard, who was very beautiful in it, and I always thought that I hoped for romantic connection between Rob, Bruce Willis' character, and Karina Lombard. I thought that was something that was somewhat of a missed opportunity there. And the other thing is, if you do you remember when Bruce Willis has his face near a cut-up roast beef or ham? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very funny. You know, his face is all beat to hell and looks like this roast beef. And I I I I longed for more of that sort of ironic humor throughout the movie. Um I feel like Last Man Standing is probably it's probably if I mean, of course, now we have John Wick and stuff like that, but really some of the best gun cinematography I've ever seen, and that was stunt, great stunt coordinator Alan Graff. Of course, that brings up my death. You know, when I got blown out that window, that door in the barroom. I was being doubled by Dave Robin then. And so I took it up to the door and then they put a ratchet. Do you know what a ratchet is?

SPEAKER_00 19:20

I'm not exactly familiar with it. Is it some type of like hydraulic?

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Yeah, it's it's a hydraulic harness. Okay. A harness that's put underneath your wardrobe, and then you're hooked up to this pneumatic thing that just literally blasts you backward and or whatever direction they want to send you. And they forgot to calculate the height of difference between the ground and the deck that he was being launched backward off of. So they had dug a pit in the middle of the street to soften the earth, but he flew right over that. Oh wow. Almost hit that truck on the opposite side of the street. And uh Alan Graf's a very gruff former Oakland Raiders football player and great stunt cornetti. He also did any given Sunday, and he's done some acting too. But anyway, I said, God, what the hell happened to there? Because I thought Dave Rowden had been killed because he he tumbled end over end and landed on the back of his neck. And I thought, oh my God, this is really a major screw up. And Alan was like, no, there was no mistake there. So, but I said, well, if there was no mistake there, how come he went right over the pit and almost hit the truck on the opposite end of the street? Alan also did replacement killers that I did with Antoine Fouquet, and I had to sort of terrorize Javier Fat, and then he does something, and we have to go back. And I was carrying this machine gun before. And as I go backwards, I'm firing, and I lost my balance as I was going backwards. And the the set was a paint shop inside a garage, you know, where they in fact inside a car wash where they did body work and painting. That was the conceit. Anyway, I lost my footing and went and assover and smashed into the set and literally destroyed the whole set. And, you know, the light bulbs that they use on the heat of the paint to bake it into the cars, all of that was blown away because meat falling. Alan was beside him himself, going that was. Such a mistake, but Antoine Fouquet stepped out and said, that's the take. That's perfect. So sometimes your mistakes become indelibly the appropriate thing. So what else do I remember? I remember, do you know Last Man's Fanny? Original was called Gundown. I didn't know that. Yeah. Which I thought was a great title. You know, one day I'm sitting there with Walter Sarkissian and what was his name? Arthur Sarkissian and Walter Hill. I'm sitting there. I was a fairly young actor at the time. And uh Bruce Willis goes, hey, the name of the town where this takes place is Jericho. How about if we call it Welcome to Jericho? Well, you could tell that Arthur Sarkissian, the producer, and Walter Hill, the director, and I really thought that was not a great title as opposed to Gundam. But nobody was going to have the balls to say that to Bruce Willis. Least of all me. Because maybe Walter, but you could tell even Walter Hill didn't want to tell him this. And Arthur Sargisian didn't. So the movie was beautifully changed on the scripts to Welcome to Jericho. And everybody thought it was awful. We didn't like it. But Bill Paxton came in one day to watch Dailies. We'd watch Dailies at lunchtime. And he stands up or set the lunch table and he goes to Walter. He goes, Walter, what the hell is with this welcome to Jericho title? And then he makes a motion like. He said whatever came to his mind, and then it worked out to get rid of that title. I loved working with Bruce. I loved working with Bruce because Bruce is an actor, and his origins were the stage in New York, which is where my origins are. And I had been through a number of movies with athletes, not that there's anything wrong with them, but athletes who had become actors, like Jean-Claude and to some extent Stephen Segal and Chuck Norris. And it just had a similarity of origin story with Bruce Willis. And so I really loved working with him. And I got along with him really well. Madonna's makeup artist as well. And a friend of my then wife and I, and we had bought some land in Colorado together. And Bruce Willis had land in Sun Valley, Idaho. And I had bought some land in Tell you Right. So we had a lot to talk about. I remember the first day I met him, we were doing that scene outside the car, you know. Yeah. I said, How are you doing? And he goes, Well, you know, just doing tough guy number five. And, you know, he was pretty cool. I liked him a lot. Some other good people, Mike Imperioli was in that movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. I really like his work. I recently watched Sopranos for the first time, and he's really riveting in that. Very energetic. I forget who else. The other thing about that job, which was great, you know, when I got killed, you remember they lined up people in the mortuary? Right, right, right. In the window. So I would get$1,000 a day every time I came in to lie in that uh coffee coffin. So, you know, I was picking up some money for just lying there with my hands folded. It was a great, great job, uh, great job. I I I really enjoyed it. I I I intend my only criticism, and it's not really criticism, is I would have had some romantic involvement between uh Bruce Willis and Karina Lombard.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

I can see that. I can see that.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

I I I I think you know, you have to think about doing things that are, I know a lot of women, including my wife, love action movies, and that's a great one. It's certainly a beautifully filmed. Lloyd Ahern, the cinematographer on that show, was the guy who did Death Warrant with me. And, you know, he became huge as a cinematographer, huge. And the movie reflects that his skill and talent. Really beautiful, just really well shot. And but I I always, when I'm writing something and we're developing a movie here, we always want to encompass the romantic and the things that would appeal to the romanticism and contact between the sexes. So that would be my only scriptural decision that I would make if I was that and more of the hand-fisted humor aspect of it, just a little bit more. I think the movie that would have carried the movie a little bit more to a greater audience level. But it's very well thought of by people, mostly because of the cinematography, I think.

Why Romance Broadens A Story

SPEAKER_00 28:12

I I definitely agree with that. The whole way it's shot, the setup, the angles, it it makes it a very memorable, you know, but but yet like unique action film that kind of sets it apart from a lot of the other ones.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Yeah. I uh Walter's great. He's never really spent a lot of time with women characters. And I think that hurts him, you know, to some extent. Uh, because as the world has evolved and changed, and since 52% of the world's population is female, you know, you it's it's I think you really have to consider making that like if we have a movie that we're developing and there's two male leads, or a male lead, or two male leads, we make sure that behind that there are female leads. If there's two female leads or a female lead, make sure that you've got two or three or four male leads underneath it. So you're you're I think telling a more dynamic story that has the potentiality of grabbing a hold of both sexes. You take a movie like I love Peter Weir. You take a movie like Master Commander, I think the movie would have been much better if Russell Crowe's character had a fling, if you will, or a romance with the native woman that comes up to the boat. Now, there's a legitimate thematic thing that he looks at her and then his sense of duty pulls him away and he goes back. But I think what that does is it makes Master Commander all about just men on a boat rather than, and I think great movies have that component of romanticism. I mean, there are notable exceptions of that. Saving Private Orion doesn't have a lot of chicks in it. Right. But and it's still an epic, epic movie. But I think generally in the norm, in the broader scheme of things, I would write things. Like if I was doing Saving Private O'Brien, maybe there would have been a woman in that town. And some connection, even if it's not fully realized, perhaps, between somebody like Tom Hanks and someone else that was there, uh, that was French or something like that. So I don't mean to stretch it and change it into something else. It's still a movie about a group of guys that goes out to save one another soldier. But I just think the movies that I gravitate to most have that component of romanticism. And just like they have redemption, certainly Saving Ryan has an awful lot of redemption. Like, you know, there's a place in the cinematic stratosphere for everything.

Minority Report With Spielberg And Cruise

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Definitely, definitely. Another movie of yours that me and my dad quote like literally all the time is Minority Report.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Yeah, great one. Really masterful. I if you and if you think how prophetic it was to all the touchscreen stuff and everything else. Yeah, I mean, uh one of my I mean, I loved every just about everybody who's in that movie. Samantha Morton was fantastic, Peter Strohmeyer, the I forget her name right now, but the older woman who was in the garden with the poisonous plants. Yeah, yeah. Fantastic scene. Just really good. It was great fun working with Colin Farrell. You know, we actually filmed stuff where I saved Tom Cruise's character. I know why he didn't use it, but uh Stephen filmed a lot of stuff that doesn't make its way into the the main the end movie. He I remember him as a very frugal big budget director. And he thought nothing of just cutting something. He acted like it was all his own money. You know that police station that was made out of glass? Yeah, yeah. They gave that to me after the movie, and I was gonna build a house with it, but I actually didn't have any place to store it. So I didn't take it. But so they just big budget movies, they trash a lot of stuff like that. It was the kind of glass where if you if you break it, it shatters. So yeah, I would have had to construct a house that was only out of the big panels. So uh yeah, it was fun. I uh Tom Cruise is great to work with. He really is. Um he loves doing his own stunts. He he and I were flying around doing all of that stuff. We won stunt of the year for that stuff, and specifically, some of it wasn't even stunts, it was just like the you know the tube where we go flying up, yeah, yeah, and I'm screaming and he's on my back. And well, really all that was was a rope, and he's attached to my back, and they pull up, pull me up slowly through the thing, and I'm screaming as they're doing it, and then they add the flame from my rocket pack in post-production. So it's not much of a stunt. There was plenty of stuff where we were flying 125 feet above the uh Warner Brothers lot, but that particular piece wasn't, and it won stunt of the Yu-Gi-Oh award. And by the way, they gave it to a stunt. Man, I didn't get it. And Tom didn't get it, which is fine. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. A lot of fun. Just a great movie. I mean, you know, you do a Spielberg movie, you know you're on the top of the food chain.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Absolutely. That that one is is one of my top favorite Steven Spielberg films, and I'm also a huge Philip K. Dick fan, which you know, the it was it was based off his story.

When A Rival Project Forces A Rewrite

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Yeah, I I'm a big fan too, although he torpedoed, even though he wasn't alive, well, a movie I got hired to direct and produce and write called Glycic Stuff, which was Nazis Won the War deal. I got hired to write and produce and direct this thing and acting. And we were about halfway through it, and we built this whole future world where the Nazis had won the war. And then Man on the High Castle came out. So that kind of screwed that momentarily, although I switched it to another period, and we haven't gotten back around to finishing that one, but I think it's more interesting now. That's another thing that you like the dying for living things that appear to be negative initially turn out to be better for you creatively. You think that your project's destroyed by man on the high castle coming out, but in fact, with a little bit of creative uh elbow grease, the the you're into something that's much finer.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

So that that sounds really cool. I I would love to see that when that comes, whenever that that is able to be finished.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Yeah, you know, I I got uh these script writing jobs when COVID started, and we've all worked on them as a team here. I just haven't gotten back to that one, but it's a really interesting project. I yeah, I'm very dedicated to getting paid. So mostly because I'm supporting employees and things like that. So we don't do a lot of speculative work. So uh I I should call the producer of that one and say, hey, let's get some more development funds so we can finish that one.

Helping The Show With Guest Intros

SPEAKER_00 37:02

Definitely, definitely. I I also wanted to let you know that I'm I'm planning to take a trip to California sometime in the new year. And I wanted to, I guess, check check with your schedule if if you knew far enough in advance to possibly meet you in person.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Sure. I generally don't know that far in advance. Currently, meetings will come up and things like that, but just let me know. I'm sure we'll work it out.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

You know, about Costas, just send me the uh a little uh email uh inviting him on the show, and I'll just forward it to him.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

I I will definitely do that. Thank you again for that. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

No worries, the number of guys we can do that on.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

I I actually I I I think the last time we spoke on the phone, I told you my I just recently did an interview with Peter Dobson, and he was talking about Lewis Lewis's new World War II film that he was working on and trying to trying to get Lewis on my show. So to get Costas and Lewis, you know, would would be awesome because I'm I'm like I'm a I'm a huge fan of both their stuff. You know, really, really awesome, awesome action movies and everything.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Well put the two emails together and I'll forward them to you.

Casting Madness And Action Icons

SPEAKER_00 38:45

Awesome. Thank thank you. I I will I will definitely do that. No worries. Awesome. And there there's, you know, I I I saw that Stallone had the new Expendables movie coming out. Uh-huh. And and in all honesty, I'm kind of shocked that he hasn't approached you to have some sort of role in in one of those in a possible expendable sequel. Because I I always kind of considered you, you know, among like the the heavy-hitting, you know, action stars. You know, I mean, you're you're Schwar Schwarzenegger was always my my number one because my my dad let me watch Total Recall when I was like five years old. And you know, just cover my eyes on the three-tited lady. Um but it left like a like a huge impression on me, and I've been like hooked on action movies and and you know the the whole you know star lineup from from working with you know the the greats.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Well, I really thank you very much for that. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me, but it doesn't surprise me when you consider how movies get cast, and I've certainly been through that with dying for a living. It's a it's it's a madness, the madhouse. And you're not the first person who said I I should have been in those movies, but you know, I I I don't even know if Sylvester Stallone knows that I'm alive. So um he's one of the few guys I haven't gone up against as an antagonist. But and I'm a big fan of him, largely because I know how skilled he is as a writer and a director and an actor, and I love to work with him. I uh we'll see what happens. I you know, I think they these things, the good lord, the universe, whatever you want to call it, sends you where it's supposed to go. I I I definitely agree with that because Arnold is sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I didn't know Arnold is fantastic to work with, by the way. Really fun.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

You know, it it it's uh it's a bucket list item of mine to to meet both Schwarzenegger and Stallone and possibly an interview. I'm not asking that of you because I know that's that's that's probably a little hard to do.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Uh it's it wouldn't be hard if I ran into them, like Tom Cruise, run into them at the supermarket or something, because then you have a good conversation with them. The problem calling them is that you have a lot of intermediaries that their whole job is stopping them. I've kind of lost contact directly with Arnold ever since he became governor, which is many years ago now. So, but or I've run into both of Allen's film sets, and always great and wonderful to see them. But, you know, they it's their numbers are changing, or something like that, or so. But yeah, he's a lot of fun. Just a well, great practical joker, too. I I've I've heard some stories. Yeah, he's Chuck Russell was the director, and he would do stuff like make a balloon penis and stick it on Chuck's back without Chuck knowing it. So he would keep going around the set all day with the balloon penis on his back. Very just a big kid having uh a really good time. Terrific guy, really great uh ability to be an icon. Uh I um what else were we talking about there?

SPEAKER_00 43:10

I I was just gonna say, I think while we were talking about you know, think things guiding in the right places and everything. And I I just wanted to add that I think that's true because it's allowed you know you and me to connect and you know, I think, you know, build a build a friendship, and I'm I'm very grateful for that.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

Well, me too. You're awesome, and I uh I'll talk to you the days ahead. Just put those emails together and I'll forward them to Louis.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

I definitely will. I definitely will.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

Uh have you ever had a conversation with Ken Davidian? Who? Ken it was the fan manager in Borat. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's uh another great guy. Marty Cove, uh, who's having a real moment with Kova Khan, and uh he's a good guy too. Um we got a bunch of Michael Pere. Has he been on your show?

SPEAKER_00 44:14

No, um, but I'm a big fan of his too. He's a really good actor, underrated.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

And a good guy. Just put a template together and I'll afford to get together. I've been out. You know, I've been on the show, and would you like to? Here's his contact number.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

That would be terrific. Thank you so much. That is awesome.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Well, we gotta turn have your podcast turn into the biggest podcast just short of Joe Rogan.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Exactly. Exactly. I I totally agree. I I I really appreciate the help.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

And it's it's I know, you know, it's the it's not an easy gig cultivating a podcast. I I've kind of resisted it, mostly because we're so busy with the film writing and the producing and stuff and the fundraising, but it's not an easy thing. You gotta it's one thing to be asked questions, it's another to ask questions all the time.

Donuts And A Friendly Sign Off

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Right, right. Well, I think this this is uh probably a good place to stop. Um it's it's it's again just been a pleasure speaking with you this time. I know my camera kind of failed out, but I can see you, so it's been great talking with you somewhat face to face. And I I just again appreciate everything you're doing for me, all the help. And I'll I'll keep in touch about when I'm planning a trip out there and looking very much forward to meeting you in person.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

Well, you have to, I don't know, are you a donuts fan? I am a big donut fan. Well, Aaron McKinnon donuts. They're vegan and just delicious. They're I I I always say they're the most expensive donuts. I don't know if they are really. There's another one called Blue Bottle uh donuts. It's really well thought of. But they're they only have three Aaron McKenna shops, one here on Larch, one in New York, and one in Miami. And they're really great, awesome donuts. They're vanilla donuts or maple donuts out of its world. I I live in a really great neighborhood that's got a lot of great stuff and coming up all the time. So maybe we'll go have a donut when you come.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

That would be awesome.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

All right, man. You stay out of trouble, and I'll be talking to you shortly.

Awards Books And Upcoming Releases

SPEAKER_00 46:53

Sounds great, I definitely will.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Oh, I just do want to say shameless moments of self-promotion. Let's see, I I God love them. I got Best Supporting Actor in Best of Borrow Time Three, a New Jersey Film Festival, Film Awards, Best Supporting Actor in Borrow Time, New Jersey Film Awards. I got Best Ensemble Cast for Catalyst, directed by Chris Fulkins. Borrow Time 3 is directed by Alan Delabi. And Costas is in that one with me too, as is Lewis. And also Best Ensemble Cast for Borrow Tank 3, too. So a couple of wars. And there's a movie coming out directed by Robbie Moffat called Nessie, which is about the Loch Ness monster. It should be out around Christmas time. And also Dying for a Living, Volume 2, show business, all about the jobs and the films and everything else, coming out shortly. So um, and I'll I'll I'll I'll get back on your show when that comes out. Awesome, awesome. And volume one upbringing is Amazon, and you can get an autograph copy, patrickkilpatrick.com, but it's on Barnes and Noble's and Amazon Audible 2. There's a rigorous little exercise. Do you ever do an Audible of your own book? I I have not. It's uh pretty crazy. Because you know, you're paying$500 an hour for the studio, so you're cranking along, but you wanted to have the most emotional power. So five days in a studio, maybe 10 hours a day. Wow, doing that, but it's well thought of. And Dying for Living won, Volume 1, won the Best of Bellet Award. So happy about all that. So really excited about Nesting, though. We'll see how that turns out.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Onward and upward, my friend. Awesome, awesome. Congrats on everything again. And I look I I'll be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Oh sorry, Lie Heart is out, which is a little lighthearted comedy directed by my buddy Ian Niles, and I play the Father of the Bride. And it's a silly movie, and it's really well done.

Merch Early Access And Donations

SPEAKER_00 49:26

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