{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":3.0,"endTime":5.25,"body":"Welcome to the"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":3.0,"endTime":5.25,"body":"Hydrofiles, the HR Wallingford"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":5.25,"endTime":9.78,"body":"Podcast. I'm Sally Jackson. And"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":5.25,"endTime":9.78,"body":"today I'm joined by Mike Case,"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":9.81,"endTime":13.32,"body":"who is an expert here in clean"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":9.81,"endTime":13.32,"body":"energy markets and technology."},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":13.35,"endTime":16.89,"body":"And we're going to be discussing"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":13.35,"endTime":16.89,"body":"the future of energy, and what"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":16.89,"endTime":19.11,"body":"that means for water. Hi, Mike."},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":19.17,"endTime":19.8,"body":"Hi, Sally."},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":20.1,"endTime":23.46,"body":"Let's start off"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":20.1,"endTime":23.46,"body":"with a topic that we have been"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":23.46,"endTime":28.44,"body":"working on for a long time,"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":23.46,"endTime":28.44,"body":"which is floating wind. So, how"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":28.44,"endTime":30.81,"body":"are we going to develop the"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":28.44,"endTime":30.81,"body":"floating wind market?"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":31.08,"endTime":34.23,"body":"Particularly in the UK, I would"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":31.08,"endTime":34.23,"body":"say, and what does the future"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":34.23,"endTime":35.46,"body":"look like for that?"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":35.52,"endTime":38.04,"body":"Well, it's it's a"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":35.52,"endTime":38.04,"body":"really exciting sector. At the"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":38.04,"endTime":42.06,"body":"moment, in the UK, we've got"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":38.04,"endTime":42.06,"body":"world leaders in fixed bottom"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":42.06,"endTime":45.66,"body":"offshore wind and, partly"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":42.06,"endTime":45.66,"body":"because the seabed is becoming"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":45.66,"endTime":49.47,"body":"so congested, the kind of the"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":45.66,"endTime":49.47,"body":"continental shelf is becoming"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":49.47,"endTime":53.91,"body":"very congested by competing uses"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":49.47,"endTime":53.91,"body":"from shipping, from fishing,"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":54.09,"endTime":56.97,"body":"from military, from from a"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":54.09,"endTime":56.97,"body":"number of different uses,"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":57.27,"endTime":61.53,"body":"developers are looking further"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":57.27,"endTime":61.53,"body":"offshore into deeper waters to"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":61.59,"endTime":64.83,"body":"develop offshore wind. And the"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":61.59,"endTime":64.83,"body":"other advantage of going into"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":64.83,"endTime":68.28,"body":"the deeper waters is the wind"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":64.83,"endTime":68.28,"body":"tends to be cleaner. So you get"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":68.28,"endTime":70.68,"body":"a higher capacity factor. 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But we've also on top"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":103.77,"endTime":107.31,"body":"of that we've leased, just to"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":107.31,"endTime":110.61,"body":"put it in context, so the 14"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":107.31,"endTime":110.61,"body":"gigawatts is what's been built"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":110.61,"endTime":114.06,"body":"over the last 20 years. And"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":110.61,"endTime":114.06,"body":"we've currently got seabed"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":114.06,"endTime":118.89,"body":"leases in Scotland and and"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":114.06,"endTime":118.89,"body":"currently, it's just been issued"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":118.89,"endTime":122.61,"body":"for the Celtic Sea, that will"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":118.89,"endTime":122.61,"body":"add up to about 25 gigawatts"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":123.17,"endTime":123.92,"body":"For fixed bottom?"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":123.99,"endTime":126.66,"body":"No. for floating"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":123.99,"endTime":126.66,"body":"offshore wind. That's just for"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":126.66,"endTime":131.16,"body":"floating offshore wind. 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So that's"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":189.75,"endTime":191.22,"body":"where the technology is"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":189.75,"endTime":191.22,"body":"developing."},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":191.61,"endTime":193.59,"body":"So before we move"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":191.61,"endTime":193.59,"body":"on to the actual technology of"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":193.59,"endTime":196.74,"body":"the floaters, just going back to"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":193.59,"endTime":196.74,"body":"those turbines sizes. So you've"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":196.74,"endTime":199.44,"body":"explained there might be 50"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":196.74,"endTime":199.44,"body":"megawatts, or 20 megawatts? What"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":199.44,"endTime":202.26,"body":"does that look like? In reality,"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":199.44,"endTime":202.26,"body":"how big is a turbine?"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":202.56,"endTime":208.26,"body":"You're talking of a"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":202.56,"endTime":208.26,"body":"blade length of 100 meters, so a"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":208.26,"endTime":211.02,"body":"single blade, so if you imagine"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":208.26,"endTime":211.02,"body":"you've got three blades, so the"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":211.02,"endTime":214.17,"body":"single blade will be about 100"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":211.02,"endTime":214.17,"body":"meters, maybe slightly over 100"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":214.17,"endTime":218.61,"body":"meters. The total sort of height"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":214.17,"endTime":218.61,"body":"of the turbines will be 200 to"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":218.64,"endTime":222.57,"body":"250 meters tall. 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And how"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":265.44,"endTime":266.58,"body":"many are we talking about?"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":266.61,"endTime":269.16,"body":"Yeah, so for the"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":266.61,"endTime":269.16,"body":"larger sort of multi gigawatt"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":269.16,"endTime":272.22,"body":"scale projects that are looking"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":269.16,"endTime":272.22,"body":"at you could be looking at over"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":272.22,"endTime":273.69,"body":"100 units."},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":274.17,"endTime":276.39,"body":"And that would"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":274.17,"endTime":276.39,"body":"help take up how much space in"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":276.39,"endTime":276.99,"body":"the sea?"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":277.71,"endTime":280.65,"body":"Square kilometers"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":277.71,"endTime":280.65,"body":"you're talking so massive areas."},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":280.89,"endTime":284.01,"body":"And that's where that's where"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":280.89,"endTime":284.01,"body":"this was some of the logistical"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":284.01,"endTime":287.43,"body":"challenges come in because many"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":284.01,"endTime":287.43,"body":"of the ports just aren't you"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":287.43,"endTime":289.29,"body":"know, our ports tend to be quite"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":287.43,"endTime":289.29,"body":"small."},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":289.65,"endTime":292.53,"body":"So what would"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":289.65,"endTime":292.53,"body":"these ports have been used for"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":292.53,"endTime":295.23,"body":"before? 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It's about"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":335.82,"endTime":337.95,"body":"scale, and then"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":335.82,"endTime":337.95,"body":"industrialisation."},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":338.07,"endTime":340.23,"body":"What does that"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":338.07,"endTime":340.23,"body":"industrialisation look like?"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":340.23,"endTime":343.41,"body":"Where are these things built?"},{"speaker":"Sally Jackson","startTime":340.23,"endTime":343.41,"body":"How do they get out to sea?"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":343.47,"endTime":345.69,"body":"On a ship on a barge"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":343.47,"endTime":345.69,"body":"and you can ship them round."},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":346.08,"endTime":348.84,"body":"Whereas these are so huge, you"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":346.08,"endTime":348.84,"body":"can't really do that, or you can"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":348.84,"endTime":351.33,"body":"do it in parts and then ship"},{"speaker":"Mike Case","startTime":348.84,"endTime":351.33,"body":"them round. 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