Let Go Of The Story & Sing The Myth with Caryn Terres

Talking about epigenetics, the world stage, politics, the astrological events affecting all of us and oh yes, religion too. We are diving deep into beautiful topics today!

I was thrilled to share some space with Caryn Terres as she shares her wealth of knowledge of astrological events that are impacting us and affecting our politics right now. I didn't think we would talk about politics, but we dive into it with some interesting questions to ponder. Do you really know how a bill is made? If you don't, go to Caryn's website and you will see where you can get a FREE pdf that teaches you about this.

Caryn shares about her background in the Catholic Church, then moving to Utah and joining the  Unitarian Universalist Society church and then the Mormon Church for 18 months before she was kicked out. Caryn shares a unique perspective growing up in Utah not being Mormon and the perspectives gained from different religions.

This interview was fun, crazy thought provoking and filled with lots of information you will be grateful you know now.

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I sat down with his next guest just two days ago. And I really wanted to drop this episode as soon as possible. Because the things that we ended up talking about are really pertinent for the energies that are happening on the planet today, and are so relevant for anyone, I don't care if you've been in religion or not in religion, this podcast episode, is a really fascinating episode to really dive into some of the energetics that are happening on the planet. Epigenetics, some really, really beautiful topic. So I'm excited to share this next episode that I had with Karen. But before we dive in, I have a really exciting offering that just came through as I was preparing for my inner guru activation, which, by the way, was a beautiful call. So everyone that stepped into that space, it was a stunning, stunning space. But it came very clear that there's so many of us and so many of you right now that are looking for a way to have community support of, of how to really hone in and activate more of your gifts, how to use it in a day to day basis, how to actually use it in business. And so this group, it does, if any of those little things sound like you, this group is for you. It's starting November 27. And this is only$222. Each month for three months, we will have a two week break over the holidays, we're going to meet every Sunday through zoom at 10am to 12pm. Mountain Standard Time, and then there'll be daily conversations that we'll get to have probably through WhatsApp. But this is really a place of networking, of community of growth of how to get to where you're wanting to go. And so this is something that you are feeling the call to head over to my website, Amanda joy loveland.com For slash elevated mastermind, and join our group today. This is starting November 27. And it feels like a really phenomenal group that's already coming together. So I'm excited to share this with you. So with all of that, let's dive into this interview that I had with Karen Tara's. So I'm hitting record because as we were starting this podcast or just starting sitting chatting, we're talking about the Astros and talking about we're recording this on Halloween. Yeah saw one. Yeah. And we're both on our Halloween clothes. If you're watching on YouTube. I've got my Sanderson Sisters shirt on, if the shoe fits, the shoe fits, and we're talking about how I'm like I'm so tired today. Yeah. So to body, the whole body is tired. Everybody's like moving up in a cellular level. Like it started with 1010 being in a really intense retrograde season right before that with like seven planning, it was set. Yeah, in September, we're all in retrograde and retrograde is just this beautiful time where we get to look at what the planets normally mean. And like, turn that around on ourselves. So lots of Shadow Work, lots of contracts coming back up lots of just like endings that then are leading into new beginnings. And it's like our mental state and our emotional state are good. And now our physical body is like, Oh, well, and then we were just talking about the Eclipse energy. So we just went through one Eclipse. Yeah, so we had a partial eclipse, last folic. And that was a solar eclipse. And it was visible in like Europe in the Middle East Africa and parts of Asia. This the lunar eclipse, it's coming up though, on 11/8, which is election day in America is visible through North America. So it'll be like a full Bloodmoon first ever on an election night. So interesting, which this is a midterm election which is usually pretty high intensity, which is all I talked about nowadays, right. I love that you have it as a metaphysician and all the things and then you have also the 1111 portal coming through and then we have another solar partial solar it like the beginning of December or something so we have so many eclipses coming through so crazy. Realizing that when those happened to it's it's inward, it's purging. It's the word that keeps coming to me is the word threshold like where I get to just choose an entirely different reality. I when I was thinking about this with a friend the other day, it was literally like I was in her living room. And I walked into her kitchen and I was like why do we keep walking into the kitchen and assuming that we're in the living room. We're like mad that we don't have the couch. I've just came from the living room. I don't actually want to be in the living room. I want to be in the kitchen and I want to cook myself a meal and I want to explore this new room. But I walk into it over and over and over again over all the spiritual lessons that I've learned being the nomadic spiritualist that I've been In my whole life, and I keep looking for the living room. Yeah. And it's like no, we get to we get to like play in the kitchen for a while and like go make witchy brews and see what kind of delicious meals we can make for ourselves. Well, I think one of the pieces that has for me that has been coming through is I love that we're actually just diving into this and then we'll we'll we'll actually get more into your story and your background. But you know, it is like this Good God ever since I think 2120 20 leading up to 2020 is started getting intense with the Astros right, everything in the Astros have just intensified. And there's no question that we are affected from things that happen in the solars like with the solar eclipses with the whatever the planets are doing, like we are affected by it some more dramatically than others, right? Well, what we were seeing right before two with the Election day is that Venus is entering Libra for the first time since 1880. So the last time Venus was in Libra, it was 1772 1880. That was the time that we had two revolutions, the American Revolution that then immediately led to the French Revolution that literally changed the course of human history forever. And we're still playing games, though, the way that we did and honestly, like the whole chapter in the book, Magdalene codes that I was just co authored in, was literally my love letter to Hamilton Lin Manuel Miranda, I love you. And how it just sparked so much like, inside of me of like, but we're doing things that the Founding Fathers would be so irritated about when it comes to scrutiny and security and treating our freedoms for a legend, safety and policing the world and all of the things that we do. And it's like, why were the founding mothers were the women that had been witchy weirdos for the last decade or two that are willing to be like, You know what, there's never been a mother in the White House. But we're expected to take care of every other household like come on, we need to shift the paradigm, we got to shift it and Venus entering Libra is literally telling us that on a massive global scale, the last time she was in this sign, we did have an entire huge worldwide revolution that was based in love and freedom, not in power and oppression and money and oligarchy, which is what we've been dealing with. Yeah, just such an interesting thought I, so I'm, I am working on an this is a long story. So I'm like how do I shorten this? I love speaking. So I'm like, You know what I'm just I'm hiring a speaking coach to prepare, like I'm doing a whole thing to go like go and try and apply to be on TEDx stages, and what it's about how you're not your story. But one of the topics that I'm bringing up is the world stage. And I think it's really fascinating that our planet, our country, the United States is is the slogan is home of the free because of the brave, which then implies that we have to always be brave, because there's something to fight. So even in our wiring, so because I think what you and I are saying and I think what is happening in the whole planet, is really pushing us to look at the programs that we have been holding for so long. That had been through our lineage for generations that are asking to be unwound these stories of you have to be brave, because you've got to fight for something. Freedom is actually not free. You have to fight for it, which is not true is a sacrifice, right? There's the reason why we're free is because our men and women go over yes and fight or they defend the homeland. Like I'm all for having a security system, right? Like I am totally okay, if I have my house, I have got my Vivint and I hook it up. And like the somebody's going to show up if I'm attacked. The issue that I've always had for years at this point is like, Why do we feel that we have the right to constantly be in other people's backyards? Right. And that's not promoting sovereignty and not promoting freedom, it's promoting sacrifice is promoting again, that bravery like oh, I have to be the tough dog. Instead of like, what if things get, like, what if it gets to be easier, or that I even have to always be fighting like I always have to be prepared for a fight prepared, that I can't just assume that the security system is going to work, I have to be like walking my own security all the time, or going over to the neighbors. Like when you start to zoom in and zoom out some of the things we do on a national or global scale. And what that would look like in your own personal life. You're like, this doesn't rectify I would never act that way now. And yet, I will turn blue in the face defending why my country or my whatever my party should do this, that and the third and it's like no you don't you are you have conflicting beliefs that you were probably taught. Yeah, we're given them and Like, I don't know if you know the thing about the ham. I don't know this is a story My mom always tells us to, to push this in. Like, husband goes having dinner, and his wife cuts the ham on both sides. He's like, why do you do that? She's like, I don't know. It's the way my mom always did it. Mom comes over for dinner happens to be the one that they're making ham for? Why do you do that? Oh, no, I don't know is the way my mom always did it. She just always cut the Hammonds off. Call up granny. Hey, Granny, why do you cut both ends off the ham? Oh, well, my didn't fit in my pan. Unless I did that. Oh, it didn't fit in the pan. And that's it. Yeah, the reason why her the grandmother did it was because it didn't fit in the pan unless she cut the ends off the ham because of back in the day, right? But the daughter and then the granddaughter, she just did it. And they're like, it's just because granny did it that way. We do that with money. We do that with sex. We do that with religion, everything really everything. And the cool thing is, as soon as you're aware of that you get to be like, all of my skills of dissociation and childhood trauma now get to be beneficial, right? Because I can dissociate from all of those beliefs too. And now your story isn't a story of trauma. Yeah, your story is one of like, I wrote the most epic, legendary myth that I could imagine and became I wasn't I didn't become the queen became the freakin dragon. Yes, yeah, don't mess. One. I think this ties really beautifully into religion, right? When people step out of religion, which, of course is what this podcast is, and the Navigating out of it, it is a lot of those constructs that we're speaking of, that I have to fight for my freedom. And I now just stepped out of a construct where I didn't feel free. Now I'm free, my people that I know are still in it. So I have to be really defensive. I have to almost get aggressive and get a little bit angry because I have there's something to fight for. And I think that that is part of the programs that we're talking about the problem actually, there's religion, religion and wars and sovereignty has always been so intertwined. Yeah, big way back in the day who believe in like, even the Romans and the Greeks didn't always agree even though they existed very different times. You just look at history. And yeah, it's Which God do you believe in? How many gods do you believe in? Oh, and you'll be killed if you don't believe in the certain religion of the monarchy in the land at the time. Exactly. And, or you're going to be pushed away. And then you have the whole things of like, why do we have infant mortality rates so high, all of a sudden skyrocketing in the 1617 1800s? You killed all your midwives? Because you burned all the witches? Yeah. Right. Like you have these correlations with my insane nerdiness? That is my brain. These maps that like our timelines, yeah. Like this is related to maybe oil and other resources, and then the birth rate. And then what were we doing with this? And where was the religion and the oldest overlay in my brain? In this weird way of like, yeah, when you start talking about just freedom, religion, sovereignty. Resources, in general. It's always coming down to who has the power instead of who can be of most service. Right. And then you have that beautiful picture from 1965, the first photo of the world from there, and you're like, there's literally no borders, there are no little black lines on the ground, painted on there. Even if you drive into Utah from Arizona, right now, there's not like a straight line, there's like a sign and then there's another sign a half mile, right? Like down the road, you're like, which one is the border? Right? Where you are now entering Utah, or the four corners is like has been moved like three different times. Right? And it's just because it's all fake. It's not it's all a facade, the religions and all of that all they're doing is trying to give you a concept like we as a little human mind, how do we explain the vastness of the universe? Yeah. But it came into fear and scarcity and came into survival mode, and we're in this beautiful time, where a lot of us don't have to think about surviving anymore. Yeah, we're in a place where we're rewiring our amygdala is we're rewiring our hippocampus we're so many parts of our brain to thrive. And then that's going to then be passed down seven generations, right? If we're epigenetics tells us where seven generations deep whatever seven generations ago was feeling we're dealing with it but our ability to switch that and change it all the way on a DNA level actually by adding NLP and all the other different beautiful practices we have that we can scientifically prove are changing us. So all of the naysayers like my father can be like here Mr. Vulcan robot mind, I have data for you and you cannot. What are you gonna say? anymore? Right Right. And that's the only thing to our science is catching up to mysticism. Yeah, not the other way around. Yeah. Our science is finally being able to prove things that witches were burned for 400 years ago. Yeah, you know. Yeah. I love I love that. We're talking about this and I and I want to kind of dive into your background and your story because your story is unique, especially being here in Utah. So you were raised Catholic. Yeah, I was born Catholic in California, LA, in AD. And just but my parents were the musicians of the church like that was it they were the church musicians. We went my mom was in the choir, Dad was guitarist, we moved to Utah and 92 We found the closest parish. Mom and Dad always found a way to get into it. I don't know their victim mentality is blaming justification and complaining. Those are what I was raised with. Yeah, so we moved to another parish. I don't know what went down there. And all of a sudden I find myself no longer going to Catholic school, but going to the public school, and I find myself not going to Catholic church but going to the Unitarian Universalist society unit way Unitarian Universalist society. I have never heard of that. Yeah. What is that? Unitarian Universalism is a that is a mouthful. It is a Unitarian Universalist society and Cottonwood Heights SVU us for short. South Valley for even shorter honestly. And there's another church in Salt Lake City, First Unitarian church across from the rice, Eccles stadium, okay, 13th and fourth over there. And there. It's a non dogmatic spiritual congregation, that is based in seven principles that are off the top of my head, I can't remember them all. But essentially, like rooted in, you have the right to your own spiritual path. And we as a congregation will support you in that respect for every individual person and the integrity there have the right to the democratic process within our congregations and society at large. And respect for the interdependent web of life of which we're all apart. And then lots of several others that are like the truth and meaning of your own personal life. A lot of you Yeah, for that. So like my, one of my Sunday School teachers was like Jewish with, like, had the Jewish background, right, my parents were more pagan, earth based religion. So like tonight is solid tonight's the third night of Psalm one. The first night was the 29th with the night of the plants, and then the 38th is the night of the animals. And then the 31st is the night of the ancestors. But in the Unitarian church, they even actually teach the teenagers in Junior High in high school, neighboring faiths is what it's called. So we actually would learn about a different faith. And this was 2001 2002, where it's like, intense stuff going on in the world. Yeah, with the face. And we were showing up to mosques, and just showing up to synagogue and we were going to Greek Orthodox Church and going to the Cathedral and the only church, though, that we never visited was the Mormon church and you're in Utah, and I'm in Utah. How interesting is that? And it's because I found out later because so many Unitarians in Utah are ex Mormons. It was too they are not even going to let you well that backfired on them because if they had let me in, I wouldn't have had this like unseated craving to understand the one church that everyone seemed to be a part of, but they didn't let me into because I rebelled and became Mormon when I was easy did for 18 months. That was my rebellion against my parents was by becoming Mormon I had a crush on some boy he got his ironic priesthood. I'm an empath didn't realize that at the time would go to church feel the Spirit always had the most delicious roast beef after fat, right? Hey, you know what I mean? Like it's a beautiful community. And there's so much goodness that can be there, especially as an only child in Utah, no family, like being able to get invited to gatherings and just like really feel like this sense of family. Like family home healings was like, the most revolutionary concept to my teenage brain at the time. Yeah, but it took me 18 months to get kicked out. Like I didn't just leave like they they asked me they're like, Thank You keep asking too much about Holy Mother and we keep asking you to stop asking about it and Relief Society. So we need you to stop or we need you to stop coming to our singles ward. And I was like, Okay, well, I'll stop coming. But can you make sure you expunge me from your records? Yeah, interesting. Like they know that they did it they still My homewards still sends me things on my birthday. And so still to this day, I haven't done the official work. Remember, you need to go get on. I know. I mean, I don't like it's just one of those things of like, it was so easy for me to get in missionaries like, like, in six weeks. Yeah, as a teenager, and my parents had my meeting, tell their friend, like, my dad's best friend was a bishop. He's like, go see if Karen's testimony is true or not? Well, of course, the bishop is gonna say My testimony is true. I'm another tick on the mark. Yeah, like, because that's how I was treated immediately afterwards. In high school. That was my junior year of high school last summer, like so good. And then by the middle of senior year, all those friends who dropped me all those friends acted like I was just this super weirdo, I was highly depressed, suicidal, all of these things, because I thought that I had found people, and they had found a way for them to, I don't know how they teach you all in there. But it really felt like they were trying to, like, do a duty that they like, Oh, your job is to go convert as many people and do it through as much manipulation and whatever as possible, because I don't know how people can live with themselves knowing that someone's walking around suicidal because you stopped talking to them, because they changed wards to their home Ward because it was just closer. Right? We're all the people in my home Ward who didn't accept me when I went there because I, oh, Karen's Mormon now, blah, blah, blah. Like, I think I told you the story of when I started school after being in Catholic school. Fourth grade, someone moved in next door, and I was like, Oh, sweet. I'm not going to be the only new kid at school. When I get to school, the first day of fourth grade. And everyone already knows who Ryan is. And I'm like, This is not fair. Like how can he was like, not smart. Not cute, like, I'm sorry, I'm gonna just call it what like, I had some potential to like, for it to be an even match of who was gonna get the popular kid spot. It took me years to realize he moved in during the summer, he had had all summer to go to the ward, or to hang out with his friends. Yeah, that's it. And I never clicked I lived in the same house since 92. Didn't have friends in the neighborhood wasn't being invited to the potlucks around the lake nothing. We had a literal X. I remember going to my home Ward and seeing the map for the missionaries. And there was like a big giant X on my dad's house. And I was like, What's that for? And they're like, oh, man, the guy who lives there's so mean. Oh, like, like, I'm sure that 1993 David noise not impressed with the amount of Mormons like knocking on his door when he first moved in? I Yeah. Okay. I don't I don't get missionaries that come to my house. I mean, my records are removed and everything. But I had missionaries come one day, and it was after I started this podcast, and there's these cute kids, you know, they're young. So it's like, oh, we're here to did it. And I'm like, I know exactly who you are. And there's that part of me that's like, they wanted to know if they could share and I I was on that fence of do I let them in or not? Because we could have a long conversation. And by the way, I help people out of the Mormon religion, you know, but I'm like, there's these kids, and they're just doing this, this thing that they feel called to do. And anyway, so I probably have a red X on my because I can't remember exactly what I said. I think I did say, I used to be Mormon. I'm no longer Mormon. In fact, I help people out of the Mormon church and have a podcast all around it. So I'm probably not the person you want to talk to. And I said it and unkind way. Just kind of like that. But so I probably have. Yeah, they will do it. They will totally be like not worth your time. Yeah, not happening. No, there's no there's no foothold here. And it's just so interesting, too, because the missionaries who come to Utah are not the ones that we send out. Yeah. But even by that, I mean by like, so even being raised not Mormon, in a very liberal church, like my minister was transgender. Growing up, my Sunday School teacher was lesbian. I was walking in the gay pride parades, I was speaking for racial injustice was when I was 13. Because one of the congregants got arrested for being black at the wrong place. Time. So like, tons of grassroots movements, and unfortunately, now the Unitarian Church is swayed really far into a place where even now I'm like, uh, I'm trying to help you guys out and you're not helping yourself on the image. Because now it'd be when we would have a huge increase of people wanting to join but they've gone a little far into like the anti white like they're just oh really angry at the SIS white gendered male right now to a point that they're starting to cause separation which for me in my work, everything is about realizing nothing is separate, right. I'm a know it all nerd because I was raised being allowed to ask those questions and was like, Mommy, why is this story of Krishna so Much like the story of raw, so much like this story of Jesus, so much like this story of, I can never pronounce his name up in Finland, right? Like they were just they were like all over the place. And my parents love history and all of that. And they're like, because people move. But I've lived in the same house for 30 years. So that was a whole nother thing. But the more what I was saying about the missionaries, we said, No, we, I still ended up married and pregnant and with a baby by the time I was 20. Yeah, living in Utah, because that was what was taught. I didn't have a boyfriend in high school. I thought becoming Mormon was gonna get my odds. Didn't get you where you wanted to go. Dammit. Went back. Your plan was foiled. And then my kid's father, my dear ex husband, he he knew me from the Unitarian Church, we were 12 we knew had the same background. We were both weirdos in Utah, whatever. We started dating. I had an incident with antibiotics while on birth control and got pregnant and was immediately thrown into well, if you have an abortion that I'm going to leave you, my parents saying, if you have one, then we're not going to How old are you? I was 19. I was 19 years old had a baby when I was 20 got married a couple of months after he was born, and live the suburban housewife life. Until last year. I had two more kids during that time. But my daughter's birth was the one that snapped all of it and changed all of that and put me back on the path of me then being like, being mom's hippie stuff was totally on point, wasn't it? She? How many years of like not communing with The Goddess did I miss out on because I was in such like, rebellion of like, Nope, I don't want to believe in any of that. Even though I could see it before my like it was never really gone. Yeah. But those pieces probably have taught you what you're speaking of, of. We're all we're all things. Yeah, you are all a part of everything. Yeah, you have to be. And when we see the people that come into Utah, on their mission, I see that in their eye that they're really on like a mission. And when I see the guys come back, they're like, Okay, check out our full list. Next on the list, get married and have a baby. Yeah, because that's what we're taught here is the amount of people I've talked to you in the world. I had exchange students who moved here, or who lived with us, like, several throughout the country throughout my whole childhood. They all like no one really had an issue with the Mormon church. Like they weren't like, there wasn't really a big opinion about them. They were fine. But like, there wasn't a very strong belief center that I would see, I would I would hear my friends in the LDS church repeating stuff. Hmm. And it was just like, fascinating, because I'll have friends that I'll meet who are from like Texas, or from New Hampshire. And I find out they're Mormon. And I'm like, what? Because they're way different. Because they're so accepting. And they're so loving, and they're so not trying to shove funeral potatoes and the Book of Mormon down your throat at the same time. Yeah. Like, it's such a weird experience to grow up and be so like, Oh, you're not Mormon. We can't be friends with you. Yeah, you're not invited to my birthday party. You can't come on the boat with us. Like such weird, weird rules, just because I wasn't the right religion. Yeah. And then I saw it. Because the second I became the right religion. I was accepted. I was at the barbecue. I was being invited to the cabin. I was doing all of the things. And it lasted six months. And then I was by myself through the rest of high school, trying to figure out who I was in a world where being Mormon was apparently still not good enough, no matter what I did. I wasn't gonna freakin fit in, in Salt Lake City. And yet somehow, I'm still here. 15 years later. So that's where I know that like, God is telling me there's a reason why. And that's why I've had so many like, okay, when it comes to politics, Utah's actually a real, real good place. Something's up. Yeah. And there are there's a beautiful countercultural here, that, unfortunately, does have a lot of anger in it. But as we soften that through having acceptance of like, people are just out where they're at. Some of us were raised, really oppressed, and then had to come out of it and others of us were not raised oppressed at all. Yeah, and still have to, like accept the fact that other people dealt with that level of oppression. Or just be okay, that that's how our parents were bribing it back to what we were talking about at the beginning. Like I can look at my am dad who was raised Catholic in LA? Look at my best friend's dad who was raised Mormon in Utah. And look at her boyfriend's dad who was raised Mormon outside of Utah. They all are actually the same freaking person. By the way, we have a bet whether or not we should ever put the three of them in a room together and hope I'm just because they were all the like, safety manager type guys are head of the shop. Like at the end of the day, they were responsible with a lot of people's like safety and well being or whatever. And you hear them and you listen to certain things your dinner with one of them in your like, that was my dad that just came out of his mouth. That's funny. And it keeps happening. So it is a generational thing so much more than what we put it into, like just a religious thing. Oh, yeah. The whole mindset and then just our relationship to God in general and whether or not we for years, I can't even say the word God. It just triggered me so much. Yeah, and now I'm like Goddess universe source or mighty I don't know big thing your relationships shifted. So now it has a different meaning. That's how it was for me. I couldn't I couldn't read anything that had gone till I got to a point to like, Okay, God, does it mean this anymore? That I was pissed at angry and hurt over it now means this and has a whole other meaning your whole other layer? So now it's like, yeah, yeah, your guys looks different than my God. And I'm okay with that. Yeah, exactly. Or to realize that you are God and that you're completely in a strictly bound up in the intimacy that is, everything is another layer to like, you're just experiencing yourself through the lens of another aspect of yourself and that level of like, yeah, you you can make up whatever, you were all out of our minds. So have a great ride. Yeah, like live it up. Instead of, oh, there's so many things that could be that are just negative that are so in the to stay angry at to stay in that separation to stay in, in well, she believes this, and he believes this and this, that and the third, like no acceptance for where your neighbor is right here right now will actually lead to a conversation and can lead to a relationship versus being like, No, you're wrong. You're and you're having any judgment towards where someone is anywhere, on any level of any journey. Yeah, yeah, I find that the level of separation that's been happening the last few years is quite fascinating. And I think there's a, there's a reason for it. I feel like all of us, it really pushes us all to go what what are my beliefs? What are my truths to what you were saying of people, regurgitating the things that they're just told to do versus Hey, why do I want to do this? Is this coming from a place within me? Or is this coming from external you know, of something that somebody's told me to do in order to find happiness or eternal life? Right and and really the self resourcing piece, which would it's so much easier to be pissed off at somebody else? Instead of really looking within of Geez, why am I why am I so triggered at this person? Because it actually has to do with you instead of somebody else? It's easier to put the blame on someone else. Instead of well, why don't we get stuck in the loop of while I'm like this because of right? So that was where I was like for I'm actually think that that's the lesson that I'm learning the most right now is how much I'm still doing this in places of i Well, I'm like this because of my trauma. I'm like this because I was an only child raised in a counterculture and like I could give you a whole reason why I don't or do XYZ Well, I think there's but that is part of that is true and and you get to change it. Yeah. Right. You get to literally decide is that even though I didn't choose those circumstances, in the like, Ohana big giant soul level we did, but like human Karen did not choose a situation where her father was physically and emotionally abusive. And her mother was highly codependent and was left often on her own to like, emotionally console herself, which is the most baseline way for me to describe my childhood, right? Because I don't want to right, that's the more I could, but it would you would see me literally physically strain to reach into some of those memories that used to be immediately right there. Because now underneath all of those painful memories, were all these beautiful ones. There was all this joy in these renaissance fairs and going to concerts and going to the ballet and being able to just hang out with me and my parents and build puzzles and like all these things and watching how my dad related to his father knew that and Live my grandpa's life and how angry he's in bitter he still is at his mother is like, I don't want to feel that way when you die. So I'm going to do what I need to do to rectify our relationship in my own brain at least. So that when that happens, I'm not sitting here regretting the fact that I've been angry at you for 20 years. Yeah, because I'm not angry at my dad. I know, my dad did the best he knew how to do with the resources he had. I know that my mom did the best she knew how to do. I know that I'm teaching and repairing generations in both directions, which is why today being Halloween is just so beautiful, right? That ancestral healing isn't just about you healing for your future. You can heal and other people around you that are from your past will heal with you. Yeah, like my mom's been published for the first time. And I retired international bestseller this year. So like amazing. Who did it for like, wow, you left your husband? Wow, you did all these things like I can't believe you. You did this, Karen. And you can see her like having conversations where she can conceptualize my dad being not around without her crumbling. When a few years ago, her codependency was so intense. She's like, well, it's a good thing. Women are seven year old, like live seven years longer. And I'm already seven years older than your dad, like making some sort of comment that would be like, well, hopefully I'll go around the same time, whatever. And now she's like, No, I could like live a whole life. And whether or not it like you can tell like there's a timeline again. Yeah, those timelines in my head. She didn't start talking this way until after I left a marriage of 15. Yes. Yeah. So interesting. One, I think on another podcast, I shared this, but one of the pieces, I mean, that you're touching on is is huge, seven generations. And I used to get really, because I see it with client over client, all of us are always doing generational healing. Usually, when somebody has a core in NLP, when somebody has a core limiting belief or limiting emotion, it's 98% of the time, it's not from this life, it's from a lineage piece or a past life, which those are really intertwined, in my opinion. But I was asking spirit, once they get a meditation of why on earth would we in the constructs of creating this world, God or not God, whatever you believe, why would we choose to have trauma passed down through generations? Like why on earth would we do that to us, I don't want to pass pass my shit down to my kids. And I was shown that when you find the gifts, because usually in order to unlock it, you find the beauty and what's underneath what that that trauma then created in you, or anyone has created strength and created beauty and created self awareness and autonomy and so many things that unless you had that experience you wouldn't now possess, right. So when we do the healing, I was shown that we actually unlock all the gifts that then get to move forward along with the the trauma being cleared. Now the gifts from seven generations get from overwhelm. So then let's do some math. Should we nerd out for a second nerd out? Karen timelines. So the generation is 20 years? It was 140 years ago. Okay. That's what you're looking at. So 140 years ago, where are we Civil War? Okay, yeah. Just think about like the average day in the life of a woman in the Civil War. Survival. Yeah. Full on survival. Yeah. Anyone around the world, you're still dealing with, like whether or not you had tons and tons of money, you could get sick and die because we don't even have penicillin. Right? Right. When you look at the way that modern technology has literally in the last 100 years allowed us to not worry about things that were daily horrors, like people wouldn't name their babies until they were two. Yeah. And when I interesting because they were so afraid of so like, we think about the, like, 140 years ago, Utah was like just barely getting settled, and all of that. So it is fascinating when you think about that, and how quickly this is why I'm saying when we start using quantum physics, and you start using neuroscience, and you start being able to shut down the timelines and realize that in 100 years, we've had a essentially in at least in America now. Are we at a point where they should be worldwide already? In my personal opinion, yes. But at least in America, where for the most part, people aren't worrying about whether or not they're getting Diptheria. Yeah, right. They're not. They're not very concerned about whether or not they're going to have a meal. Now again, poverty, homelessness, hunger, huge issues, right. But it's not like what it was what it was, it wasn't everybody, because there was a time where it didn't matter again, your class, your, like your class and amount. Okay, yeah, you could get a better doctor, but certain things you would just dead, like, right? You're just dead. Like there was nothing they could do about it. Right. And now, there's things we could do about it. Yeah. So the fact that our medical technology and then our Industrial Tech and then aren't just tech Tech kid was born the same year the iPhone came out and it's like, look at the they now have flip phones that are the flat screens right? Why? This crazy, right? Like just in our own lifetimes like I'm 34 and I can't even imagine some of like when I think about how I used to rewind tapes with a they were like record my favorite songs from the radio onto said tape or make make history or CDs. Yeah, right. You made your little mixtape here. I need your mixtape, right, like, you know, we send each other playlists. Like it's such a fascinating thing to realize, while we're doing that, yeah. How much trauma? Are we now like, we don't have time to just sit on the porch and let ourselves process the day, right? We're not doing our healing work. Go look again, at all of the witches that were burned. Those were tons of the midwives that then women were stuck not knowing how to care for them. There was this like Dark Age of medicine because we had gotten rid of all of the natural healers through a fear paradigm. So now you're coming back into this place where we're getting that knowledge back, you have all these New Age, hippie, crazy people like me, who are using oils instead of pills and advocating for cannabis and other plant medicines for two decades. And now we finally have a promise to hopefully maybe do something about it. I mean, the expungement and pardons of only 10,000 people when there's over 20 million with a rest records from simple marijuana charges just doesn't impress me. Sorry. And I just actually saw I don't know who it was some I think she was in the WNBA. They're just in prison for nine years because she was is it Russia? Yeah, in Russia, I was so heartbreaking for a marijuana because she's using it first, they found some cartridges in her luggage. And those are illegal in Russia. So and in America, we just had President Biden say that he was pardoning all federal simple marijuana possessions. That's 6500 People federally, and a couple 1000 More in DC. It's really not that many people when you look at the fact that most of those simple marijuana charges are on a state or local level. So he called the governor's he like asked them real nice if they would do the same things, essentially. And then he asked the Department and Health and Services, Human Services real nice if they would maybe start looking into the process of how we could like reschedule it. Yeah. And you didn't decriminalize cannabis? Yeah. If you go and look at most people's Instagrams around October 6, that's what the rhetoric was. That's what the story was. That's what everyone thought was happening. Wow. But you have to listen to the actual news brief. So you have to go one layer further, but we don't have time. Yeah, we are. That's what we say. That's what we keep telling each other. Right? Right. What fascinates me is if we've done all this stuff in the last 100 years, and then we get a whole bunch of people like you, me and the people that we know that are like quantum entanglement and squashing time and law of attraction and all of that stuff. Put them in the seats of government. How quickly do we get to a place where everyone on the planet doesn't have to be hungry, where no one has access to clean water, healthy food, safe shelter, open source education, and medicine from east to west, north to south, whether it's natural or synthetic, or muster medicine has its awesomeness, especially in emergency situations. Agreed. But also, I will definitely be putting comfrey root over my injuries before I'm taking ibuprofen probably every time. Yeah, just because I know that the natural medicine works is this fusion of the ancient and the future is happening in those of us who literally before our very eyes have watched it happen. Yeah, because we're this weird bridge of like, weird. The 90s were weird. The 80s were weird, right? Well, even though I mean, just the things we've been through the last few years that did I mean, speaking to time, I mean, we have been in such a generation of Go, go, go, go go. You know, you got to work hard to get the things that you're wanting. And then we were all forced to slow down. Yeah. And really, and what happened when we slow down, we actually start and more people now are leaving religion and leaving different constructs that they chose into because they had time to actually go Wait, do I believe that this is true anymore? Right. And I it is really interesting. I think that the busy mind the busyness of the world is another construct to actually keep us from knowing our own selves and what we want. Oh, yeah. And also just realizing that like, they're like I say all the time COVID killed all the bad marriages. I'm so grateful. So grateful that I got to spend that time because it's a we're going through another layer Are these eclipses? Oh yeah, no, totally. It's giving us the next layer of like probably all the attachment stuff that maybe you didn't even really fully processed before but during for me at least, it took me like, not even a full month of lockdown before I got the like, hit from spirit, like the reason why your business is not going the way you want it to is because you have to get a divorce. And I literally threw up. And I was like, what? Yeah, in the why, right? Well, I can tell you why. Because here we are two years later, I've gone through I don't even know how many ego deaths and versions of dark nights of Did you see my story do I don't know if you're one of the ones that commented I don't know how many more dark nights of the soul I've got in me and it was me. I was like, and so they're still there because like I keep seeing it. Well, it's been intense. It will really it was an that like I spiraled it out. And it was literally like my daughter's birth five years ago, would probably be like the biggest like, yeah, unassisted home birth, her umbilical cord snapped on exit, like, raised the initiation. And here I am five years later, understanding the the energetic, emotional, mental and physical ramifications of doing that as a woman in the 21st century, because less than 1% of births in us are already home births. And less than 1% of those births are unassisted. Wow. And most of the time, it's exactly the situation that I had where like it wasn't planned that it wasn't existed. It's like you're driving in the car on the way to the hospital or your midwife is 15 minutes away because she remembers your other tubers took over 24 hours so she thinks she has time to go to the birth pool. Now did not. Right. But it snapped something in my psyche. Oh, I can imagine it was like you can do that. You You are built for so much so much. But you go and you have a conversation again love my ex husband to death. I've known him for 22 years. We have three gorgeous children together. We'll never never have a bad thing to say about him. He's the same person, though. Yeah, he's trying you can see it. But he hasn't had a snap. He hasn't had something so big. That made him think hmm, I wonder if it is me. And the reason why is even as someone who didn't play the religion game is very atheist is very like Zen Buddhist, I am God because when I die you all go away. My world then dies. sort of thing. Yeah, it has been for as long as I've known him. He he played the game of the patriarchy anyone. And what I mean by that is he was raised by a single mom in a trailer park in the Midwest, bounced around from onts to to granny or whatever. Well, mom worked her various jobs. dad left when he was three mom left when she was he was 10 and then came and got him again left again when he was 1518. We drawn together Yeah, grand old time with our honest situations. And then but now until I left happily married three kids owns a house in the nice part like suburbs of Salt Lake City like the good part of the town. Houses cars has a six figure job. He won in his psyche. He went from a no nothin trailer park boy to the to having a six figure job owning his house having three kids like holy shit. And in a lot of ways he did. I mean, that is quite a major. The American dream I just said it the fact that he works for someone else is irrelevant because he loves his job. Yeah, right. The only thing that would make it more American would be if he had his own business, right? He's a projector in human design being his own boss is not not his does not his thing. But he really loves his job in tech and like has always he always has, right so it's like, how how can I be mad at that? Ya know what I mean? That's that's where I had to finally get on all of it. Whether it be politics or religion or my marriage or my friends narcissistic ex like anything, because how can you be upset when they were given a construct? Follow the rules. And they won the game? And if that's what if that's how they want to live to be happy, great. And coming from a place of love of radical love for the self. It's like I love you and I can't keep doing Yeah, that's why I had to walk away and when I walked away, like my three kids still live with him most of the time yeah, they I see them as much as I can again beautiful relationship get to do all sorts of things that other people don't. But that was me. Yeah. When I was showing up, like meals out straight for the jugular he went straight back for it. Yeah, of course everything again. that goes into that react showed up was how he showed up. So when I decided, You know what we're gonna be learning each other's lives forever. We should be friends. Now we're friends. And that's but that was me. That was my power. I'm the feminine. I'm the one that creates, yeah, the masculine, penetrates the masculine puts the sperm in there, but then the woman incubates. Yeah, the moment of birth, that's a masculine action, because you're taking like a big push. Yeah. Before how much time in between, like you said, we were all forced to slow down. You look at the education system, so many teachers quit. Now, so many teachers quit. So many people started to homeschool. They opened up private tutoring companies and are making bank. They became tick talkers and half of my tic tock account. Oh, like our teachers. Yeah, but either laughter still in it trying to bring awareness. And it's this. I mean, tick tock, like, can we just come on? We'll make ridiculous amounts of I know, it's really fascinating noun. And it's like, it's not, I have a theory. And it's a little harsh. But as the people who we will consider boomers die off, we've already done the work there. I don't think that our children are going to be dealing with the seventh generation situation. I hope that's why we're doing it right with us, because we're watching it. And it's just, it's ludicrous, right? You think you look at some of the things that you're right. It's ludicrous that she just chops off the ends of the ham. Like, how much ham? Is she throwing away? Maybe her pan is double the size? Right? But that's just how it's just how mom did it. It's just her grandma did it. Right? How are we doing that in our own psyches? Like I read you and me we both nerd out. Look at these books. Like you and I are both the same when it comes to this. And there's you know, my book. Yeah, I'm crazy. But I own half of them. Yeah, sure. And it's this level of when we get loud enough, right? When we decide that our story is our story, it is what it is. But our myth is one that gets to be like sung from the rooftops and like shouted from the mountain and they will know my name in the history book because I did the work. That's Audacity. That's audacious. That's all the like, well, I don't want to be I don't want to have power. No, you do. You're mad because the patriarchy has it all. You're mad because a guy can walk in and immediately just declare the authority in a room? And you're like that? How does he do it? He does it because he's a dude. And that's how they've been taught. Yeah, to do it. Yeah, but that whole paradigm is shifting, I want to kind of circle back on a few things. One, I love that we're speaking to all of this, because I think it's so important to really start asking the questions, especially for those that are listening, that are deconstructing out of religion, it's not just out of religion, it is out of constructs in a major, major way to the point of what we're speaking to of, you're clearing trauma and creating generational habits, and programming for seven generations. And that is freaking powerful. And something that is really fascinating for me to witness uncoupling out of religion, uncoupling out of relationships, especially when there's codependency, especially when it's been home, especially with whatever will will hit your nervous system. And this is such a fascinating piece that I don't feel like is is spoken to or taught much of you will have a fight or flight response somatically happened to the physical body. And so that's a really interesting piece to be aware of. And usually people will take that as a sign to stop doing that thing and all reality, you're unwinding and detaching from a system or a program or relationship that has been so deeply embedded in the somatics of the physical body, the emotional body, the soul level. So to have awareness, yeah, this is why like, this is why I wish that I could work with all my clients in person because with all the bodywork background that I have, I do clear so much physically from the body, just giving someone a massage, even if I'm thinking about sitting on the cellular level on the day, why you go to a body movement class and just stretching can make you cry, and there's a freezing can make you cry, like intentional breath and all of these things. So it's like, there's, there's a few pieces of that of one when it happens. An emotional result or emotional response, takes only 90 seconds to hormonally move through the body. So if you can feel a feeling and not think, for that entire 90 seconds, just ugly cry or whatever, I heard seven seconds sometimes it's only it's shorter. I think it depends on the depth of emotion that you're hitting, whatever that pocket is. It's the I'm saying that I actual physical like watching a hormone in the body and adrenals Okay, adrenal system gland. sober, sober. No, I love that. So you have, so a thought will come in whether it's a subconscious or conscious thought will come in that thought will then trigger your thyroid, your thyroid or your adrenal to then release a hormone. It takes 90 seconds for that hormone to run its course through your body. Don't think another thought during that 90 seconds, you won't have another hormone dump. So if you can just cry, or scream or whatever, for that full 90 seconds and not care why you don't activate your prefrontal cortex, anything into attach and understand what this is why it is yeah, you can clear not only will you clear the one but you will clear layers and layers and layers because all of these things that you have stopped before because you've been like, Nope, that's not an appropriate thought right now or like, why am I thinking this will be a traumatic thing, they will get out to faster. So this is why you can have huge shifts, like I say that you can have a resurrection in 72 hours. I mean, my full belief, and I'm working on creating the program to prove it. Because once you have that full, like, hard death day, yeah, within 72 hours, usually some miracle happens in people's lives, some crazy thing that they never thought would ever happen, starts happening. And it's because they cried, they rested. They set a new intention. And then the next day when they're about to go get started. It's already there. So if someone else calls you first you get that email, you get the invitation, like whatever. And it's only because you get the chance to feel all the things without caring why Yeah, we spend so long, like why do I have this belief? Where did it come from? Like, those are all important. But once you've built your new belief system, once you've gotten to the point where you're like, I know who I am, I know what I am. I know how I serve. I'm out of my mind. But that's okay. Totally okay with it. I really liked myself, you get to that place and then physically, you still have to purge all of the things that just never got out of your body. Well, they were in there in the cell. They're in all of that. And when you get to just release that in whatever way this is why ecstatic dance is getting more popular. Why you have more like read rooms? Come on. You do not have read rooms five years. No, we did not. Let's be honest, we did not have any dreams five years ago. Those things all are a result of us all getting stuck in our houses for two years. Yeah. And being like, I have all these feelings. And I didn't know they're easy. Trying to figure out why they are there. Yeah. But instead, you can shortcut them by just letting them out letting you feel the thing. When that random thought about how like, Creed cringy you were in ninth grade just randomly hits when you're like turning on the turnpike. And you have no idea why it hate you. Instead of thinking, why am I thinking that? Yeah, just be like, and just feel the cringe just like relive the memory and breathe, breathe through it and be like, Wow, and almost welcome it in. Like, right, because that's how we set a repelling inner child healing to inner teenager heal. Yeah. Because when we can heal our inner teenager and we stop the mass rebellion that's going on. That's That's why nobody wants to take seats in government. Right? That's the reason why when I try to talk to my multimillionaire spiritual women who make ridiculous amounts of money, it practically in their sleep. They're not even thinking about politics until I start saying something. Yeah, because then it's just so far removed. What 2001 You go through the Obama era, like all Trump, like everything is just like, No, we're not. We know. We don't engage in politics. And then it's like, right, but you want your new Earth commune you want to have this beautiful space. You want to be able to teach people this, like all the things that you want, are not happening when the National Guard can literally come in and shut you down and look at the OSHA documentary is right like the if you get big enough and loud enough, the government will stop you. And they will do so or so by sending in those brave to make us free. By not allowing you to actually be your freedom versus go start going to your city council meetings. Go run for city council go run for Office go lobby legislation, like here in Utah, we have a psychotherapy bill that is not acceptable. Each V 137, I believe it is. They're trying to lump all psychotherapy of all kinds into one task force and think that it's going to be okay. And people who are using ketamine therapy or psilocybin therapy are getting lumped in with those who are just using talk therapy, like, we are not the same, that's very different. It's a way for because the health department doesn't want to deal with it. And the Justice Department doesn't want to deal with it. Well, I think that that what you just said, is actually politics at large for most people. It is, I've had more eye opening, when when you think you're safe, there's no reason to actually question your government, because we haven't had a reason to because we've been really blind to it. This is one of the beautiful things about when we have gone through the COVID era. And just with where we're at in politics, and it's caused all of us to awaken to a place of, hey, wait a minute, what do I actually know about government politics? For me, it was very little, because I always I never voted, I always, I never believed that I my vote mattered. And I've had so much more awareness, but even the things that you're speaking to is so sometimes when you dive into politics, it's so overwhelming, you don't even know where to start, right. And so I've been grateful that I now I'm getting to know more and more people like you like other people that are out there that are really vocal about what is happening. Granted, everybody has their viewpoints of how they see and and so their passions with it. Right. But you know, for me, that's why I've been working on just like creating the system, within global Gladiators, which is like, thing that I'm doing right now the one year mastermind for entrepreneurs and CEOs that want to figure that out. Yeah, it's like the first. The first bit of it is very like civics one on one like, yes, there's mindset work. There's all these other things, but it's very, like, I kept playing the Schoolhouse Rock song like I am a bit on top of it. Because that's I don't know that they know that. That's so yeah, Schoolhouse Rock. I'm sure a bunch of people on the podcast just laughed, and the other half have like no idea what we were talking about. It's fine. But there was like, you know, they taught very simply how a bill gets passed. But your bill can die in so many different places. And if the person who is the speaker of the house or is the Senate majority leader doesn't want to talk about it, it will just never get talked about. So your ability to be extremely just personable, like you have to own your brand to a whole nother level because now you're being scrutinized. Plus you're trying to back legislation, plus they're in your personal life. Right? The all the things you thought were gonna be okay, when you build a business, you're like, well, I could lose my entire business if I go do this thing. So the mindset comes in. But the fear of having no idea how to do it is what I see more of like, I just want a PDF, when people go and download a free PDF of just like, how does a bill become a law? Yeah, and the amount of people that download that is like kind of ridiculous to me, because I don't think it's ridiculous. I like I said, most people have no idea. No clue. Yeah. And because we're not needed to understand that's why it's ridiculous. Like, I'm driving around seeing Sam Alliance and freaking re vote for him for house or representative and Sandy, right. And I'm remembering 10 years ago, when my friend ran against him, and said, like houses to every two years. So this dude every two years for the last decade has been the elected House representative for Sandy city. Why? Because he's got an insane amount of money. And for every one sign anybody has ever been able to put out against him. He's got 15 He's got brothers, he's got people, he's got a church, all sorts of ways that the government in Utah is all sorts of mixed up in things. Because they only play with their own teammates, right? And so, but you start telling people that and they start being like, that's not okay. Right? We just don't know until we know it's right. So now that's why like, my mission is now like, okay, the dragons, all the metaphysical things I've been learning for the last four or 512 20 years of my life. 30 years of my life is really to get people to understand like, you want to change the world. You need to change the rules, and the change the world rules you need to become a rule maker. Yeah, you don't get or even understand the rules and what your part is in it and how you can influence it and understanding like even simple things like everyone says, Don't vote third party in the presidential election. Well, the reason why you do vote third party is because if any party over gets over five I've percent of the presidential vote during any year, that party then gets access to national funding for their party. The issue is, is that you've got about 15 to about 15 candidates for all the different parties on various ballots. But the only three parties for the last four presidential elections that have been on all 50 states, so that President actually had a chance of winning was the Libertarian Party. Libertarian has a bad brand, okay, they do not have a good brand. I'm aware, it's not great. But if they just fixed their branding, and they would get more votes, because they, they have to show like the Green Party's never been on a ballot where enough people even if everybody in the state, voted for that person could actually conceptually become president. These little things, just little things that people can understand like, No, we could change the whole world the next election by everyone actually voting for the party that they actually wanted to instead of just busting up between the two, because the reason why they're getting all the funding is because nobody else votes for the third parties. You could have in one election. You America go from a two party system to an eight party system. On all the people who don't vote, all the people who are like, Yeah, I voted for Hillary, but that's because I couldn't stand Trump like my 92 year old grandfather voted for Gary Johnson in 2016. last vote he ever cast. He was a Republican, up until that point, but he literally could not bring himself to vote for Donald Trump. Yeah, so he vote for the libertarian, and he didn't really know who it was probably he just didn't want to vote for the other guy. And he just in will know, I sat with him. And I explained to him, libertarianism was actually pretty good. And as long as he didn't have an issue with the gays, I thought we were okay. And he was all like, oh, I don't have an issue with the gays. You know, there were some other things but like, that was it. I was like, here are some of the things that you might not agree with grandpa. Yeah, it's like, oh, those aren't that big a deal. Right. But he was so like, he had been a lifelong Republican. Yeah. And couldn't do it. Well, most of those lifelong Republicans just didn't vote. Yeah. Yeah. Because they can probably bring themselves to vote for either. Meanwhile, though, we have a president in office right now. That's like I visited all 54 states, like the things that cut I'm just like, how, how, how has this happened? Yeah, it's fascinating, but it's doing it in a way and at a time that like, the boomers are dying. Like, it's sad. And I know we can have a whole conversation about grief and losing our grandparents and our and our parents. And also, like, we haven't continued that, you know, more. Over 54% of millennials make their average income from being a freelancer. Fascinating. Yeah, they don't even have real jobs, right. So like, my ex boyfriend came to me and was like, You need to get a real job caring. And I was like, why he started spouting all this stuff. And I'm like, You sound just like my grandfather. And what what is a real job, having another person be my boss, anything, anything that's a paycheck, where it could be on the first and the 15th I get a paycheck that is provable and taxable. So that if we were to this was like us having a conversation about possibly moving in together. And it's like, I'd have to prove that I can make money on certain days at certain times to pay the bills, when I make more. But yeah, you're right, I don't have a fifth and 20th paycheck, right? I get paid. All throughout the course of the various ways, in various ways, or simple things like manifestation. Having a house to live in, that I'm not currently paying rent at, because it's a friend's home was like highly triggering to this very smart sales rep. That I was dating. Like, also, I'm very discerning so if you get to date me, it's a privilege. And I'm just being fascinated by these, these 1940s belief structures coming out of his mouth. When it came to like, we have to split everything. It's gonna be hard. This is how it has to get done. You need to get a job like this is what it is. And it's like, but do you want to go look at my my let's go look at my finances right now. Let me pull up my QuickBooks for you. So you can see that I'm already doing that. But without the boss and without the nine right? Well, it's not about finances. Oh, sounds like it's about its senses. Well, all of the things that you're speaking to her safety and that I think is empty and it's all construct and it's all based on why am I thinking the things that I'm thinking on this and I'm gonna circle back because and we're hitting we need to probably wrap up here in a minute. But I love that you spoke to that moment of having your daughter of like something broken you If I could do this, what else can I do? Because when part of our constructs have been created in an illusion of safety and the reason why we act from do anything, dysfunction or functional comes from whatever we have created in our somatic and our belief system and our whatever that has taught us that oh, well, it's kept us safe, even if it's shitty, even if it's dysfunctional. That has been your safety. So you'll continue to create it until you start asking the questions. Step out of this and go Holy shit, what else am I capable of? Oh, and my physical body is going to have a response to that's okay. That's okay. We're deprogramming on all levels, especially this idea, their level and especially in epigenetics. And looking at organs and what all those different things mean. I mean, I love being able to know that like, oh, I having this response. What is this organ represent? Oh, I had this huge epiphany yesterday, of course, my guts are kind of mad because I'm letting go and assimilating. That's what my guts are literally for lungs represent grief. Like they're all the organs do. They have their things can use fear and all that and something that you were saying about whether they're functional, dysfunctional, just really quick, it's really fascinating when you realize the moment of if you're raised in a very fight or flight oriented trauma state all the time. The idea of a calm, steady life is terrifying. It's scary. And so you will create you will continuously create high levels of fight or flight until you realize like until you make the conscious choice, that calm is safe. Yeah. But becoming safe and calm. When we don't have a society that's calm, is now that next level, we have to create a place that is more nurturing to peoples coming out of these crazy shells that they've been in and having somewhere to catch them in a way that is like, I want to YMCA for healing centers. Do you know what I mean? So that we can just very easily you don't have to look into it. You don't have to? Like where's the Yelp for healers? Where's the like new, like New Earth directory essentially, is what I've been calling it? Well, I thought, especially for what I had personally been going through the last six months, if I didn't have the tools and the resources of knowing what I know, good God, I don't know where I'd be right now. And I think that often to what you're saying to what I'm saying, with everybody that's listening, you don't know what you don't know. And we're being pushed in a way we have never been pushed. And so that's why there are those of us that Karen and myself and so many others that have developed these, we get to reach out to healers to people who can help catch us and teach us. Oh, yeah, this is okay that you feel scared as shit, because you're asking to have something different in your life than than you've ever asked. So it's going to trigger so many pieces within you and you will probably try to keep creating self destruct, you'll have self destruct buttons all over the place. To your point of if you were raised in a highly traumatic state, you'll continue to create that highly traumatic state, because that was oddly your safety. Yeah. And there's no reason why. And with all of that, just coming into this, like acceptance, right, the place that I've been helping, most of my clients move from is no longer from suffering to healing, but from this healing to co creation or healing to thriving, of like, okay, I get to go heal some things, you get to go do this experience, I get to have this crazy six week. Oh, my gosh, I could write a whole novel on it. And at the end of it, it still is what it is. What did I learn? And where's that continuing to push me and that's why having a huge, audacious, ridiculous goal, like being President of the United States makes all of the unwinding that we've been referring to. Just a little easier, I think, yeah. When I have clients that have like, just little goals, they, when they're going through it, they're going through it and it's not my place to dislike. Right, but when I've the ones that are like, I'm going to be an Emmy Award winning, right, yeah, big things. When we go through it. It's like, okay, this is because I'm wanting to get here. So of course I would, yeah, worse. I'm gonna have to go through it. So that's what like, I would leave anybody with anything on this Halloween night. It's like, dream a little bigger. What is the biggest dream you can dream? And then go back to the basics of quantum physics. If you can think it already exists. Yeah. And then just start like being that person. Now. How can I be the president now? Well, I can come to a podcast interview. I can do this. I can do that. Right. How can I be a multimillionaire now? Yeah, I can be reading books. I can do that. Like there are things you can can do now do the most of them to the best of your ability now, and it makes all of the the stuff from your past the things that you right now cry and rant and rave and are so hard. So there's a reason. Yeah, you can tell the same story and have no emotional charge through it. Because you let yourself grow rapidly instead of sitting in anything. Yeah. Oh, once I figured, okay, move on. Oh, I am blocked that belief and move on. Let's go into actions. The actions are going to be the things that continue to reemphasize the actions are the key. Yeah, because that's where your soul, your muscle memory, all of that stuff comes in. And I love that you brought up the dreaming piece and I agree with you have big dreams. And actually, even if you don't know what a big dream is, have some thing that your mind your spirit your energy is working towards. Because if you don't, and then you don't have anything, you don't know where you're going, then you won't be taking any actions because you have no idea where the hell you're going. The easiest place for me, even my friends, the clients that have no idea. Well, what did you want to be when you grew up? Yeah, start there. And even if it was a ballerina astronaut, screw it. Go take a ballet class, go pick up astrophysics for Dummies by Neil deGrasse Tyson, right? Like, there are ways for you to start. And do I think at 48 You're going to end up a ballerina astronaut at the International Space Station. But what an adventure, right, right, what and how fun, right? And how many people you'll meet? And what will you end up creating? Yeah, in the meantime, you're really an artist, maybe you're really all these other things, right? Just do it. Well, I would love to offer the listeners that thing that you mentioned, I want to make sure to get the link that little how to mate. How's it Bill created? Yeah. And then you just co authored a book. I'll link that what was the name of the the title of the book? Magdalene code. Sweet. Yeah. So I'll make sure and link that so people can have access to that. And then they can just find me at heart when heart heart womb. I love it. Leadership leadership.com And then I'm the only Karen terrorists on the planet with a Si. Si Si or T E R. I didn't exist until 2009. So I'm actually the only one that has ever exist. How interesting is that? I love it. I mean, that's beautiful. Said history books maybe. Yeah, heartworm. leadership.com. And I'll yeah, I'll definitely mention all this in the show notes. Oh, my gosh, it's been so fun. Yes. I love our conversation. We always counsel. I know. And this was this is definitely I you know, I did not think we'd be talking about politics. Although I don't know why I didn't think that that is so much a part of you. Yeah. But we definitely went some interesting places. But I feel like all of this is really useful information and really helpful and very supportive. Because I don't care who you are. We're all feeling the energies that are happening right now. And, and it's a good call to hey, you're not alone in this be there are resources, there are tools, you know, and reach out, find somebody to assist you and walking through this because we don't have to do this alone. Right? Social, I think the pandemic is really the thing that prove that to us. Like you have social media for a reason. Start adding, like, even my daughter's homebirth. I had Facebook groups. Yeah, donor milk moms for all of that, like those resources exist. Yeah. But you have to be willing to reach out to ask for it. And you won't until you start really writing down. Like I'm saying, yeah, and of every night. What were the thoughts that I was thinking, and why was I thinking those thoughts? Just start there. And in seven days, your whole life can be different? Well, and my other thing I'd add to that with thoughts that I often do with my clients is asking that thought, Is it even true? Is this true? Yeah, nine times out of 10 that that's not even true. It's just an old program that's trying to come back in like where it came from? Yeah, those things. Yeah. It's a fun exercise. Yeah. I love it. Love it. I love it. Well, thank you. Thank you for spending time with me today. You're just amazing. Wasn't that a fascinating conversation? I love it when I have guests that come in. And the conversation just leaves itself and most interviews are like that, and some are more more in that way than others. And I did not expect that we talked about politics. I didn't expect that we talked about the Astros and the energies that are up and saw one and and so many things in this podcast was one of those that I definitely enjoyed and I'm sure that you did as well. To connect more with Karen head to her website heart womb leadership.com. I will link her free offering down below in the show notes as well as the books that she has co created. And so you can connect deeper with her if you desire. And then again, just a reminder to head to my website Amanda joy loveland.com forward slash elevated mastermind to go join this group that starting November 27. This is an offering I will never do at this price. Again, this is crazy cheap, but it really fills to make sure that this is an available offering for everyone that is looking for something more in your life and really tools with how to get to where you're wanting to go, how to move through some of the discomfort, this disease, dis ease in the body, and really to hone more and more of your skills. And then there's a lot of business things that are going in, I don't know how much of you know about my background. But besides being an NLP and shamanic practitioner, and doing the one on one coaching, I come from a background of running a Corporation, a company for over 12 years of my life. So I have a lot of business background as well. And I have a lot of really beautiful connections in that arena. So I'm excited to bring in some guest speakers that will be speaking to the group to this is without a doubt I could charge 1000s of dollars for this mastermind. 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