The Process of Healing
The Process of Healing is a powerful platform dedicated to providing hope, healing, and education to individuals who have endured personal trauma. Through engaging interviews with survivors, answering listener questions, celebrity and expert guest and celebrating accomplishments that listeners have wrote in, our podcast aims to shed light on the struggles faced during and after traumatic experiences, while fostering connection and support within our community.
We understand the profound impact that abuse and trauma can have on individuals, and our mission is to offer a safe space where survivors can find solace, inspiration, and resources to aid in their healing journey. By sharing personal stories of resilience and triumph, we aim to empower listeners and provide them with the tools they need to navigate their own healing process.
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The Process of Healing
The Process of Healing: Building Resilience
What if resilience wasn't just an innate trait, but a skill we could all develop and strengthen? Join us on this transformative journey as we explore how embracing life's challenges can lead to personal empowerment and growth. With a touch of humor and warmth, we share personal stories, from baking a cake on a barbecue during a power outage to confronting the serious challenge of battling melanoma. Through these anecdotes, we highlight how resilience is not a superpower but a muscle that grows stronger with each use, encouraging you to flex your own inner strength.
Reflecting on the complexities of healing and personal growth, we delve into the nuances of self-blame and self-trust after trauma. By challenging societal messages that often shift blame onto individuals, we invite you to embrace your inherent right to resilience. Through personal experiences and listener stories, we emphasize the power of community and shared experiences, illustrating how healing is a continuous journey filled with both challenges and victories. Our discussion touches on the importance of adaptability and leveraging available resources when life throws unexpected hurdles your way.
As we celebrate resilience and growth, we question traditional notions of marking traumatic anniversaries and instead focus on the potential for personal evolution and empowerment. Using metaphors like a tree bending in the wind, we underscore the interconnectedness and strength found in community. We aim to inspire you to reflect on your own journey from surviving to thriving, reminding you that no one is truly alone on this path to recovery. Join us as we celebrate the strength of survivors and the support systems that empower us all.
welcome to the process of healing hi suzy hi david, how are you okay? Like I'm having a hard time of how quick time is going. We're on episode 13.
Speaker 2:yeah, that's pretty amazing. I can't believe it. I feel like this was just yesterday. We dropped our first episode, I know.
Speaker 1:I know I hope this has helped people as much as we have hoped and as much as it's even helped me personally, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too. I totally agree. I love how we've been able to connect with others and just to get to share all these ideas we have and have experienced ourselves. And now we're like connecting. It's so awesome.
Speaker 1:I love the little community that we're building. I think we did such a great job of aligning when and where, and we wanted to talk about certain topics, and today, I think, is a perfect time to talk about building resilience and what that truly means. Building resilience is focusing on strengths and positive attributes that build resilience and adaptability.
Speaker 2:It's not about being invincible or avoiding the challenges in your life. It's about having that inner strength and the resources to navigate difficult situations, learn from setbacks and grow from experiences. You can think of resilience like a muscle the more you exercise it, the stronger it becomes. In our modules we talk about resilience. I think it resonates with people to also say that we're building resilience because and we talk about finding it because it's out there and you may have had it at one point and it's gotten lost, it's gotten misplaced, it's gotten forgotten as you jump into life's challenges or thrown your throne, like sometimes you you're just totally end up in a situation you don't even know how you got there 're like how is this my life?
Speaker 1:these skills of being able to cope with stress, keep healthy emotions and how to problem solve effectively and just embrace that growth yeah, I was looking at some of the words that even we use on a regular basis via podcasts and just our conversations or just everyday life.
Speaker 1:One thing that I appreciate that you and I and the community that we're building is doing is, even when we say positive and negative, we give a little preface to the positive. When I was looking through our notes before recording, I was looking at how to cope with stress, how to maintain positive emotions, how to problem solve effectively. What I immediately thought of is when I was in the dark of my trauma, I didn't trust myself enough to be a builder.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to trust myself enough to be a builder. I'm not going to trust myself enough to build a foundation. We do a lot of self-blame why I am here today. I am the cause of my trauma, and now you want me to build a foundation. Now you expect me to problem solve. That was my first reaction. But then I realized that with the tools that I have, with the community that I have once I found that I did not deserve what happened to me. I am not the reason that this ugly ass hurricane busted up my foundation. Then I started having a little bit more trust in myself. When I heard the words David, you've got to build resilience. David, you've got to do this, I had a little bit more trust and a little bit more I can and I will mindset.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think that's a great way to put it, because you're right. It's hard if you've been told this is your fault. You are the cause of this, you deserved this, and what happened to you wouldn't have happened if you hadn't worn the clothes you wore, drink that drink, gone to that bar, act in a certain way, or why didn't you ever stand up to your parents? Why did you spend so much time with them, even as you became an adult? Like all these different things, it's easy to put the blame on you. So then you're not empowered to think can I bounce back from the stuff that's happening in life? Can I be strong enough to have healthy emotions or to even grasp that happiness in life? You do start to wonder does that even belong to you? Do you have that right? I love that we're talking about this because news alert, everyone has that. Maybe this is the first time you're hearing it. So, listeners, you have the right to be resilient, to go find it, to build it, and we're here to help.
Speaker 1:Before I get into the enjoy the ride segment, I want to ask you a question or two, but I don't want you to answer yet. I want you to answer after the segment, after I share the story that I want to share today. I would love to hear a time from you when you had that moment of I didn't deserve and I'm strong enough to rebuild. I know that to ask those questions is easy for me and you would think that this long into my journey and healing process, I would know exactly what to say, but it changes daily. I have so many aha moments throughout every day that makes me question or rethink or have re-aha moments. So I wanted to ask you those two questions for you to put a pin in and set on while I read the Enjoy the Ride story.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They say adversity builds character. It's like I've been through a personal bootcamp for emotional strength. I used to think resilience was something superheroes had, like the ability to bend still with their bare hands, but it turns out it's more like finding your own inner MacGyver. I remember that time that I baked a cake during a power out.
Speaker 2:Who needs an oven?
Speaker 1:when you have a barbecue grill and determination. That cake came out looking nothing like a cake should, but it was edible. And that, my friends, is resilience to action. Or how about the time my car broke down in the middle of nowhere? Instead of panicking, I turned it into a picnic. Who needs a fancy restaurant when you have a car trunk full of snacks and a beautiful view? It was like a forced glancing experience. I've learned that it's not about having a perfect life. It's about how you handle the imperfect moments.
Speaker 2:It's like being a gymnast who falls but can get right back up, and sometimes you even land a triple somersault so true, man, it is really about taking all of these situations and finding the best of them, or like being the best version of yourself in them. You're right, sometimes it ends up a triple somersault and sometimes it ends up a picnic on the side of the road. I love it. I love it so much. And you're right, it's really about finding your inner MacGyver. To cobble together good out of some situations is just it's hard to do and I love that you're acknowledging that for yourself. I'm going to answer your questions. It's important to focus on your strengths and I love that you did that for these experiences. And even if that strength was that cake was edible I know I look pretty, but it's edible I love it I think it's important to identify your strengths. Think through what talents or skills, personality traits you have that help you overcome the challenges. Develop a strengths inventory which again so hard to do, and whether it's just mental in your head or even on post-it notes on your bathroom mirror and I think it's important to go back to that when challenges hit you in the face Good things that you know about yourself and like it really can help, and then being able to utilize those strengths.
Speaker 2:One of the times that I felt like I did not deserve to be resilient was when I got diagnosed with melanoma, super serious skin cancer. This was when I was 32. I always had this spot on my lower leg. One day I was talking to Dr Friends, I'm like, who's also a? He wasn't a dermatologist but he specialized in skin cancer removal and he I talked to him before and he says you with your red hair, you're going to end up seeing me in a couple of years for those skin spots or whatever pops up. And so then later, when I saw him in the OR one day, I was like hey, can you take a look at this? I talked to him on a Saturday. He said come in and see me. I saw him on Tuesday. He took a biopsy of it. Um, we got it back on Thursday and I had surgery by Friday. He's that's how bad it is. And when I went in to see him on Thursday, he's like Susie, you need to come in. Susie, this is cancer, this is melanoma. You got to have surgery. You can get on the schedule tomorrow. And I was like no, thank you, I'm too busy. I just don't have time to do that. And he's no, I got on the schedule, I had surgery and then we got the biopsy back and it had grown so I had to have more surgery.
Speaker 2:Between May of that year and six weeks later I had more mop surgeries with skin grafts and everything you mentioned a hurricane like talking about that how a hurricane disrupt your life. The scar on my leg looked like a humongous hurricane my whole lower leg of like, where the skin graft ended up needing. I learned how to go back to physical therapy, learn how to walk again. It was huge, and so then after that I had to go to an oncologist. I had to do all this different stuff, but one of the things that I really felt like you have this moment where you realize you're not immortal and that you're faced with your mortality. And then I'd always thought, like in the TV shows, when someone gets cancer, they immediately drop everything and go travel the world and then just experience all these great things in life. I had to go back to work, I had to keep working. I couldn't stop. I had to continue living the life I lived before, but now I had to fit cancer into the middle of it and it's so hard.
Speaker 2:The oncologist was saying that part of the reason I got melanoma is that I had been sunburned so many times or I wasn't wearing sunscreen, you found out. I found out trauma can actually like unresolved trauma can give you cancer found out, I found out trauma can actually like unresolved trauma can give you cancer. It's really easy to go to a really dark place after you end up with cancer or diagnosed, and then all the surgeries. I've had more cancer since then. It's really easy to feel sorry for yourself. But instead of doing all that, you have to take some time where you're like this is shit and it's really awful, and then allow yourself to grieve for the life that you thought you were going to have. Your health is gone or your future of how you want it to live is changed now completely. But then you say, okay, what are my strengths? How can I get through this? Let me connect to the right people. Like I connected to an oncologist. Their adoption agency wasn't going to let us adopt when they found out I had cancer. It totally changed everything in our life. You had to really find a way to climb out of this hole.
Speaker 2:Connecting to social support that was one of our podcast episodes Finding the right social support. Sean was such a great help during all that time. His family is so awesome. Sean was such a great help during all that time. His family is so awesome. Flexing that strength, that muscle of I am strong enough to get through this. I won't let this get me down, All those things that you say like I'm gonna get through this. I can strengthen my leg muscles and in turn, I can strengthen my brain muscle. My heart was so upset, so I don't know if that answers your question, David, but that's one of the stories that I think about when I think about resilience. How do you learn to adapt in these situations?
Speaker 1:I think what happens or at least I can't speak for everybody, but I knew that what happened with me is I thought this life is a journey, right, but I thought that journey was just a straight road. There's potholes, yeah, there's storms, where there's a tree branch in the road that you might have to move, but I forgot about the forks. Even though I may not have chosen the route I was now having to take, I had to remind myself that I'm still the one driving the car. What I make out of this situation is up to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I would never choose cancer. I would never choose a hate crime. If I could pick parents, I would never choose parents that were involved in the troubled teen industry. But I didn't get to do that yeah. I can make the best out of the left or right turn I took forward the road. Yeah, yeah, that was the big realization for me. I could have easily any victim slash survivor. The easy thing to do would be for us to submit to it.
Speaker 2:Turn to the drugs, turn to the alcohol, try to numb the sting, just to have that one day that you feel okay or tough your way through it there's so many things that I've learned along the way that helps me even now with the stuff that comes up to where someone in one of your podcast episodes mentioned that we are all the ages that we've ever been, and I thought, oh my gosh, that's so sage, like such wisdom, because all the things you learned when you were a child and you're age 10 or whatever, and 15 and 20 and 30, all those different ages you still get to access all that information and I love that where you're not just having to go off of things like brand new for today, you have this storehouse of information. I love it so much.
Speaker 1:What I love about our list of questions is. Sometimes it helps you and I take a look outside of our own personal trauma that we are experts on because we live through our stuff to see what someone else is struggling with. The listener question today says hi, I'm Chris, a 35 year old male. I've been pretty laid back but lately work, stress and personal stuff has been piling up. I feel like I'm starting to crack under pressure. Stuff has been piling up. I feel like I'm starting to crack under pressure. I know I should be able to handle it better, but it's tough. How can I build more resilience and stop feeling?
Speaker 2:so overwhelmed all the time. Wow, man, I feel for Chris. It's work especially. It does seem like it does pile up the work stress, the personal stuff. I love that he's asking these questions to be able to handle it better. I think that's actually the first step to acknowledge that this is happening and then to go from there to recognize that you're in a situation where you could use some help or do something different or need help getting through, as opposed to just going around it.
Speaker 1:I know so many times, susie, that I would find myself getting stressed out or overwhelmed in situations that normally wouldn't get me into that overwhelmed feeling. And so I learned to ask myself and this truly happened after my attack, and it is a change and when I was feeling that anxiety and I had to figure out what it really was, yeah what is it truly? Work related, because X amount of time ago I didn't feel this way about it, or is it?
Speaker 1:work related, which is also relevant and true. A lot of times I found that my anxiety, my things were coming from outside of the situation, that I was not able to control, and so I felt, here at work, I can control this, so it's good, it's safe. But then something would make it feel not that way, and then I was feeling the same way I was feeling outside of work, when work was a safe place it's supposed to be, where I was confident and knew everything. So I really had to just dig deep on what truly is making me feel this way. Is it my coworker? Is it my workload, or is it reminding me of something that I can't control in my personal life, that has inflamed something in me that is negative?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so true. That's exactly what happens to me. I feel like I've got a plate in front of me and so much is being taken up with the personal stuff that the work stuff is being pushed off or I just can't handle it anymore, or vice versa. You know, been in both of the situations before in the past, and one of the things I want to be able to tell Chris is I was just talking about, like, how you focus on your strengths.
Speaker 2:In a situation where I had cancer, I mentioned building adaptability. The thing about being adaptable is that flexibility there where you have to just be able to go with the flow a little bit Super hard, so hard to do, I'll be the first to admit I am able to go with the flow a little bit Super hard, so hard to do, I'll be the first to admit I am terrible at going with the flow, being able to adjust your plans and expectations when needed. You have the power to say yes or no, like we've talked about in boundaries. Also, embrace the change. Accept that change is inevitable. It's going to happen, like. Except that change is inevitable.
Speaker 1:It's going to happen, unfortunately sadly or for the best you got to be able to find the positive in it. I love the way they said going with the flow.
Speaker 2:I'm always the happiest when the flow is the direction I want it to go. Oh yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1:What we've been talking about is, sometimes there's those waves, there's those bumps in the roads that might we might have to set sail a little bit this way, and that's where we have to have that resilience. That's where I have to be like okay, I did not plan that I was having to take a left here when I thought I was gonna be going straight, but I had to. I have no choice, I have to take a left. So do I take it sharply and am I cussing? And am I mad and pissed off at everybody around me and flipping everybody off and hating myself? And what did I do to deserve this? Or do I say, all right, I had to take a left? I'm not sure what to do after this. But what are my resources? And I open up an app on my phone that says, hey, detour. This way Can I call a friend and say, hey, I'm not familiar with this area, but I know that you live close to here. Like, how can I detour through that? We have the resources.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so true. I do believe, like for Chris, you know his resources, he knows Okay. So I want to share the story. I think this might help Chris and it may be you're going to think it's trite and very contrived. So if you feel that way, david, just tell me. And to Chris I also apologize.
Speaker 2:When the kids were little, uh, there's the story of Humpty Dumpty and we, I think regular fairy tales are so ridiculous sometimes I really like subversive versions of them, or they're called fractured fairy tales, where they tell a different angle. There's a set of kids books that tells the story of Humpty Dumpty. When he fell, no one could put him back together again, but the thing is that he was a chick and he was able to fly off from the egg. He was actually an egg hatching into something better. I loved that story when the kids were little and it was a reminder to them. Chris is saying he's starting to crack under pressure, but what is he going to become once that's done? And, yeah, we used to talk to the kids all the time about this stuff. Where come to you, come to you. Okay. So the egg cracked, but there's something better under there and behind there going forward, and so again, I hope that's not contrite, but I just feel like no.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:Oh good.
Speaker 1:I love that because Humpty Dumpty fell and you think that he's broken right, it's all going to be over, but when he fell he found his wings, he was able to fly off into bigger things. It actually reminded me, susie, which will also be relatable to Chris's story. I remember a predominant time in my career where I was really stressed out because I had new management people above me coming in. I had to impress them about all this pressure. I was really good and I wasn't giving myself the credit until my boss coming to the office. Of course I thought I was walking in with my tail between my legs and they were like I don't know how, we've not thought about this, but this one line that you said, how we've not thought about this, but this one line that you said, changes everything in a positive way. So, in relation, that's where my shell was breaking walking to the office and then the I'm walking the nine mile green, is it nine?
Speaker 2:mile, green mile, yeah, where you're dead man walking I'm walking it and my shell is just breaking.
Speaker 1:I'm crumbling to find that I had some very powerful wings that I was not giving myself credit for. So no, I think that story is amazing.
Speaker 2:Oh good. And for Chris, maybe, what's happening is you, your body knows, and your brain, your heart, knows it's time for a change, whether it's in your personal or professional life. This just might be the thing that is going to help you, our survivor slay. I can't wait to read it because I feel like what Chris went through is going through is what this other person is, maybe one year down the road or a mile ahead. However you want to put it. Chris going through is already in the sky's rear view mirror, looking back on life, and then he's okay, here's what I've done, so I almost feel like this person can help us answer the question for Christopher. Do you mind if I read it.
Speaker 2:No, please. This person didn't give their name. It says I'm a 43 year old dad. Growing up, I was physically and emotionally abused by my father for years, bottling up my emotions. It led to substance abuse and a broken marriage. But, with the support of therapy and my amazing kids, I've been sober for five years. Overcoming the fear of vulnerability and asking for help has been a game changer. I'm rebuilding my life one day at a time. Help has been a game changer. I'm rebuilding my life one day at a time.
Speaker 2:And what I love and is so great for this person like I hate what he's gone through, but to know where he is now and how he, like again, found the resilience, picked up those pieces, rebuilt his life a better way, maybe to something that he actually loves now. And, what's interesting, I saw that word rebuilding and I actually saw it in my mind as rebranding where you're like okay, this is what I used to be, this is who I used to be, and now I get to be something different or a better version of myself, or even a different version, like totally where you're like what I was before. Don't want to do that, I'm ready to do something else, and so I love that. Our survivor here. It's been that through that and, like for Chris, I can't wait to hear where he's going to take the stuff that's happening with him and how he's going to be able to rebuild and rebrand too and how he's going to be able to rebuild and rebrand too.
Speaker 1:I don't know if Chris will be able to relate to this much with what I'm about to say, but I hope that the survivor that wrote this in realizes that what I'm reading in these few lines is you're breaking that generational abuse. You were not given to your children what had been implanted and taught to you, and you've rebuilt, you've rebranded for yourself, for the sake of your spouse, your partner, for the sake of your children, and that's a big deal. That's a big deal Reading that line talking about I was abused from my father. I carried the weight with me. I turned to substance abuse, but because of the steps I took with my resources and because of my children and not wanting my children to turn the age of their father today writing this letter, I'm breaking the cycle. That's huge. Sometimes it's worthy, but it's huge and I hope Chris can take that and learn something from that.
Speaker 1:The listener question, chris, is we also had our friend Jason respond to it. You can see it on social medias and TikTok, so if you haven't heard it yet, search for it, it's already out there. To the person celebrating five years of sobriety who is breaking that generational abuse. You're slaying it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes me excited to know that we are part of a community of survivors, of people who are not afraid to talk about their life experiences, what got them to this place, but what gets them out of it or what keeps them there. We're just open and honest and sharing. It's so amazing, david.
Speaker 1:I love it so much I'm almost emotional with the fact that we're 13, 14 weeks into this podcast and the way people are reaching out and sharing. I know that by the time this episode is released, this time of year will have passed, but the end of October is the anniversary of my big T and it's just had the 10-year anniversary.
Speaker 1:I hate saying that word with it because it sounds like that's something you should celebrate. For some people, 10 years seems to be a long time In some scenarios. 10 years for me seems to be a long time.
Speaker 1:scenarios 10 years for me seems to be a long time, but it truly feels like yesterday. As the seasons change, my my trauma happened the week of halloween, and halloween was my favorite thing in the first five years after my trauma. The thought of someone ringing the doorbell and showing up unexpectedly just to trick-or in a scary costume was terrifying to me, but it's also really cool. What I keep reminding myself about is I get to see on these mile markers, I get to look back and look at where I've come from, how much I've progressed, how much I've changed and grown, and that change is for the better, and so I am so honored to be a part of this journey, with people running into us. This is part of the silver lining of why I went through what I went through, because I would never have heard from Chris.
Speaker 1:I would never have heard the survivors slay today had I not taken this direction on the path that I was set on. I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 2:I'm thankful for that. I'm thankful too I got to tell you if you hadn't like you're the epitome of resilience building, because if you hadn't have taken what happened to you and then just crawled in a hole and never came out like you, you decided to become a person that can connect to other survivors. Whether you were a little bit like that before, like what happened to you, it might've started you on the path you chose to take it and see it through to connecting goodly to other people, where I'm a product of that. David, we're going to share my episode here that we did a couple of years ago with Surviving Podcast, and I wouldn't have known you if you hadn't been willing to start this connecting to people, hearing from Chris, hearing from our survivor slate. If it wasn't for you, your strength that you've built in yourself and deciding that you're willing to share that with other people like we, wouldn't have been able to connect so many of our guests and maybe all, just about all of them.
Speaker 2:I don't know if this is for you, but has been since the big t, where your life is so rich. Now you said you cracked and then you found this amazing, strong set of wings. It's so beautiful and I'm so proud of you and I love you. You've done this for me in other episodes, but I just want you to know, knowing that you have been having this, you're right, you don't want to call it an anniversary. It's an evil anniversary. Who came up with the word anniversary for this type of stuff? It's a mark in time of something that happened to you that was just awful and I'm so proud of you. You experienced it before and you lived and you made an amazing life. And then you can actually have a 10 year anniversary where you remember stuff, but then you don't stop.
Speaker 1:I will say this year is the first year that I've never liked the word anniversary when it comes to something back. Right, yeah, the anniversary has been celebrating milestones of positive things. I yeah, my spouse I've started really recovering.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:So what's happening is the good is overpowering the bad now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:For a few years the bad was winning, yeah, but this year is the first year that I've been able to look back on the past year and think, getting comfortable with the word anniversary, because it's a different type of anniversary. It is a celebration because the good is absolutely outweighing the bad and it's probably outweighed the bad for quite a while. I'm in a place where I can see it and I can feel it and I'm open-minded enough to look and see it and feel it and that is sinking cool. Oh, I love it. I did not mean to turn this around and make it about me, but I appreciate and again, I know that this is going to come out several weeks after the anniversary of the date that we're talking about, but it it's going to be a nice reminder because, going into the holidays, I need this reminder and I appreciate you and listeners. Let me have this moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for sharing it with us. I've had different anniversaries and you sometimes just want to get through it in silence and alone. I really appreciate that you have let us be a part of it, because what you've done with your life since you were attacked is a beautiful, amazing thing.
Speaker 1:Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2:Thank you, my friend. I'm almost afraid to ask this because I feel myself get a little shaky into thriving. To be able to help them, I think, is a privilege and an honor. It's a responsibility. I'm not going to take it lightly.
Speaker 2:What I would want to say for motivation for people is that resilience gives you the ability to bend but not break, like a beautiful tree blowing in the wind it bends but it doesn't break. And even though the wind is strong, the tree is stronger and the roots ground you all the way up through the leaves, touching the sky. We're like that, everyone is, and we're all connected. We're not alone. And more than that, like a tree, we have the ability to support life. Not only do the branches bend but they don't break, but they also support that nest with a little bird in it, the squirrels that live in it, even the cat that jumps up there.
Speaker 2:Sometimes we are like that, survivors are like that, and we're a special group of people that can understand and acknowledge and know, when we see another survivor, that we're a special group of people that can understand and acknowledge and know, when we see another survivor, that we're surviving, we're making it through and I love that we get to help people and that eventually, those people will help people too. So your journey's not over and you're not alone. Don't ever forget that.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having this conversation with me.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad I love talking with you.
Speaker 1:I love talking with you, I love the slay, I love the questions that come in the community that we're building. I want to end it there because I want everything that you said to not be washed away with the things that I would say to end. So, on that note, thank you all so much and we will see you next week. Remember, healing is a journey, not a destination.
Speaker 2:You are not alone in this. It's okay to take your time, explore different perspectives and find what resonates with you. Feeling takes courage and we believe in you.
Speaker 1:Together, we can enjoy the ride.
