{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":0.82,"body":"Foreign."},{"startTime":7.12,"endTime":8.52,"body":"This is Parasoft."},{"startTime":8.6,"endTime":9.992,"body":"Testing 1, 2, 3."},{"startTime":10.096,"endTime":11.032,"body":"Let's get started."},{"startTime":11.136,"endTime":11.96,"body":"Hello, everyone."},{"startTime":12.08,"endTime":16.136,"body":"Welcome back to testing 123, brought to you by Parasoft."},{"startTime":16.248,"endTime":20.408,"body":"I'm Arthur Hicken, also known as the code Curmudgeon, and with me is Joanna"},{"startTime":20.424,"endTime":21.624,"body":"Schloss from Parasoft."},{"startTime":21.672,"endTime":23.144,"body":"Also. Hello, Joanna."},{"startTime":23.272,"endTime":24.088,"body":"Hey, Arthur."},{"startTime":24.184,"endTime":26.18,"body":"How's it going? All right."},{"startTime":27.07,"endTime":27.91,"body":"Happy Friday."},{"startTime":28.03,"endTime":31.222,"body":"Okay, weather after all the craziness going on in California."},{"startTime":31.366,"endTime":32.278,"body":"Yeah, that's right."},{"startTime":32.334,"endTime":35.75,"body":"Parasoft is located in Pasadena, so it's been quite nutty for the last"},{"startTime":35.79,"endTime":38.086,"body":"couple days or a couple weeks, practically."},{"startTime":38.198,"endTime":40.982,"body":"So if you're new, we welcome you to this podcast."},{"startTime":41.046,"endTime":44.998,"body":"If you're an old subscriber coming back, we're glad to have you here again."},{"startTime":45.054,"endTime":50.15,"body":"We talk about all things software testing its performance, its security, its"},{"startTime":50.19,"endTime":51.446,"body":"tools. It's AI."},{"startTime":51.558,"endTime":55.462,"body":"It's just about anything in software development and anywhere from banking"},{"startTime":55.526,"endTime":57.598,"body":"to the stuff that's inside your car."},{"startTime":57.774,"endTime":62.158,"body":"So today, I was thinking the other day, because it's the first of the year,"},{"startTime":62.214,"endTime":65.166,"body":"and so people are trying to force you to think about your New Year's"},{"startTime":65.198,"endTime":69.022,"body":"resolutions. And I was like, man, the important resolutions."},{"startTime":69.086,"endTime":74.21,"body":"Although it's all eat right and exercise and all that, like, professionally,"},{"startTime":74.87,"endTime":80.206,"body":"what can we do to be in a better place a year from now? To not have the same"},{"startTime":80.278,"endTime":82.398,"body":"stinking resolution every year."},{"startTime":82.534,"endTime":87.662,"body":"Right. And to, like, make good on some of those things that we really are."},{"startTime":87.766,"endTime":90.238,"body":"Not so aspirational, but just really practical."},{"startTime":90.334,"endTime":96.35,"body":"Right. So instead of us aspiring to drive an entire sea change of culture"},{"startTime":96.43,"endTime":100.254,"body":"and, you know, new technology, adoption, and I agree with you, it's the"},{"startTime":100.262,"endTime":103.102,"body":"first month of the year, and I've been thinking about all the things that I"},{"startTime":103.126,"endTime":106.702,"body":"wish to be able to achieve in the next 11 months and then be able to look"},{"startTime":106.726,"endTime":109.736,"body":"back with you next year and say, hey, we got that done."},{"startTime":109.808,"endTime":111.048,"body":"That's so awesome."},{"startTime":111.224,"endTime":117.192,"body":"You mean I can't go from this to bodybuilder in one year? You know what? I"},{"startTime":117.216,"endTime":118.872,"body":"don't want to comment on that, Arthur."},{"startTime":118.936,"endTime":120.74,"body":"But probably not."},{"startTime":121.2,"endTime":122.888,"body":"Not safely, at least."},{"startTime":123.024,"endTime":127.4,"body":"One of the things interesting, because people try to do this, like, they"},{"startTime":127.44,"endTime":129.48,"body":"drop these things February 2nd, right."},{"startTime":129.52,"endTime":130.888,"body":"Or January 2nd, right."},{"startTime":130.944,"endTime":131.656,"body":"Like, boom."},{"startTime":131.768,"endTime":134.294,"body":"And no one's ready for it."},{"startTime":134.392,"endTime":136.682,"body":"And Everybody quits by January 5th."},{"startTime":136.746,"endTime":138.57,"body":"Like, that's an officially quitter day."},{"startTime":138.61,"endTime":139.61,"body":"Right. Or something like that."},{"startTime":139.65,"endTime":142.25,"body":"There's a name for the fifth is past us."},{"startTime":142.37,"endTime":145.194,"body":"It's now safe to have a resolution."},{"startTime":145.322,"endTime":146.01,"body":"You can't."},{"startTime":146.09,"endTime":148.954,"body":"If you want to quit it on the next fifth, I'm okay with it."},{"startTime":149.042,"endTime":153.45,"body":"Yep. Because that technically is a month in so you gave it, you know, a 30"},{"startTime":153.49,"endTime":153.898,"body":"day try."},{"startTime":153.954,"endTime":156.906,"body":"Oh, I don't mean February 5th, I mean next January 5th."},{"startTime":157.018,"endTime":159.034,"body":"January 5th is Quitters Day."},{"startTime":159.202,"endTime":160.63,"body":"You missed it already."},{"startTime":161.48,"endTime":162.704,"body":"You're committed."},{"startTime":162.832,"endTime":164.592,"body":"What we're talking about, you're committed."},{"startTime":164.656,"endTime":168.624,"body":"Well, so I think the first thing we talked about was this idea of agile"},{"startTime":168.672,"endTime":169.744,"body":"development pitfalls."},{"startTime":169.792,"endTime":172.448,"body":"I know you had some thoughts and I have some thoughts."},{"startTime":172.624,"endTime":177.28,"body":"What are we going to do next year that will help us realize or maybe start"},{"startTime":177.32,"endTime":180.256,"body":"to execute against these agile goals? 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It's an old one and it works really, really well."},{"startTime":200.422,"endTime":206.078,"body":"So there are certainly things in Agile that can make life work much better,"},{"startTime":206.134,"endTime":208.046,"body":"that can help us be more productive."},{"startTime":208.158,"endTime":212.942,"body":"And there are things in agile where they're more philosophical."},{"startTime":213.086,"endTime":214.77,"body":"Yes. And aspirational."},{"startTime":215.27,"endTime":218.492,"body":"And sometimes you need to think about is this, is this really going to help"},{"startTime":218.516,"endTime":221.084,"body":"me get where I'm going? And that's important."},{"startTime":221.172,"endTime":224.38,"body":"And a lot of things have become sort of synonymous with agile."},{"startTime":224.46,"endTime":229.052,"body":"Right. So is DevOps agile or agile and DevOps two things or is one part of"},{"startTime":229.076,"endTime":233.436,"body":"the other? Which one's the superset? 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Instead of trying to do it all at once, they do it in small pieces,"},{"startTime":321.826,"endTime":322.674,"body":"which is for me."},{"startTime":322.762,"endTime":326.066,"body":"I'm the marketing person here at Parasoft, and one of my New Year's"},{"startTime":326.098,"endTime":330.802,"body":"resolutions is to help my team experiment more so they can become more of an"},{"startTime":330.826,"endTime":332.09,"body":"agile marketing team."},{"startTime":332.17,"endTime":337.146,"body":"And I, I'm giving them the license to think outside the box, think in small"},{"startTime":337.298,"endTime":339.642,"body":"segments, not big segments."},{"startTime":339.786,"endTime":345.29,"body":"So yeah, I think like with failing fast, there are areas where you"},{"startTime":345.33,"endTime":348.49,"body":"absolutely want to do it, you know, in marketing for sure."},{"startTime":348.53,"endTime":352.202,"body":"Right. Like you got to jump fast if you're in a competitive market or you"},{"startTime":352.226,"endTime":355.066,"body":"have a brand new idea or you're reacting to something."},{"startTime":355.138,"endTime":356.794,"body":"We'll talk about security in a minute."},{"startTime":356.842,"endTime":361.602,"body":"Where, where unfortunately right now, much of the market reacts to security"},{"startTime":361.706,"endTime":363.938,"body":"incidents rather than prepares for them."},{"startTime":364.074,"endTime":370.738,"body":"But if you're in other industries, failing fast is maybe, you know, very,"},{"startTime":370.794,"endTime":371.778,"body":"very, very bad."},{"startTime":371.834,"endTime":376.338,"body":"Like, if you're doing autonomous driving, then failing fast is not really"},{"startTime":376.394,"endTime":377.458,"body":"the way to do things."},{"startTime":377.514,"endTime":378.962,"body":"Right, Right."},{"startTime":379.146,"endTime":382.626,"body":"We had the greatest example this week and okay, everybody knows I'm a rocket"},{"startTime":382.658,"endTime":384.03,"body":"nerd, right? So."},{"startTime":384.49,"endTime":389.494,"body":"Oh, you mean the involuntary disassembly? Rapid unscheduled dis."},{"startTime":389.562,"endTime":391.89,"body":"Yes, rapid unscheduled disassembly."},{"startTime":393.11,"endTime":397.118,"body":"And I don't want to pick winners between companies, but we do see very"},{"startTime":397.174,"endTime":398.61,"body":"different methodologies."},{"startTime":399.75,"endTime":404.51,"body":"We have SpaceX, who's been perceived as the leader because of their agile"},{"startTime":404.59,"endTime":408.974,"body":"methodology and partly because of their social media presence, constantly"},{"startTime":409.022,"endTime":410.206,"body":"showing us what they're doing."},{"startTime":410.278,"endTime":413.934,"body":"It's kind of cool, right? As a rocket fan, you get to see the pieces of the"},{"startTime":413.942,"endTime":415.388,"body":"rocket, it gets assembled."},{"startTime":415.494,"endTime":418.42,"body":"Great marketing, right? Absolutely."},{"startTime":418.76,"endTime":426.432,"body":"And, and the, the message until 48 hours ago was always that they were going"},{"startTime":426.456,"endTime":428.784,"body":"to be the first ones to put something to orbit."},{"startTime":428.832,"endTime":431.44,"body":"That, that stodgy old Blue Origin."},{"startTime":431.52,"endTime":434.656,"body":"And I don't know how you call a company that's building their first rocket"},{"startTime":434.688,"endTime":440.16,"body":"stodgy, but stodgy old blue Origin was doing things the old fashioned way."},{"startTime":440.28,"endTime":445.19,"body":"Now, I don't know how much iterative they do internally, but it was like get"},{"startTime":445.31,"endTime":448.358,"body":"everything perfect, stand it up."},{"startTime":448.494,"endTime":453.238,"body":"Arguably that is a slow path, but it might be sometimes still faster."},{"startTime":453.414,"endTime":459.254,"body":"It might be that you didn't see all the steps, but they delivered a payload"},{"startTime":459.302,"endTime":460.678,"body":"successfully this week."},{"startTime":460.814,"endTime":464.95,"body":"Right. And SpaceX burned up a payload this week? Yes."},{"startTime":465.03,"endTime":467.43,"body":"They had a rapid unscheduled disassembly."},{"startTime":467.51,"endTime":472.53,"body":"Yes. So while up until a week ago, everyone thought SpaceX was ahead."},{"startTime":473.98,"endTime":476.692,"body":"So the lesson isn't don't do agile."},{"startTime":476.756,"endTime":478.164,"body":"It's not that at all."},{"startTime":478.332,"endTime":482.628,"body":"It's do agile where it makes sense and don't do it where it doesn't make"},{"startTime":482.684,"endTime":485.748,"body":"sense. And that's part of the New Year's resolution."},{"startTime":485.844,"endTime":490.036,"body":"Look at your agile where should you be doing more of it? Right."},{"startTime":490.108,"endTime":494.836,"body":"Should you be a little more careful about what you're doing in terms of"},{"startTime":494.988,"endTime":498.004,"body":"failing fast? Maybe you want to fail slow in certain cases."},{"startTime":498.092,"endTime":502.116,"body":"Right. And for me, like I wanted to share, the message of our New Year's"},{"startTime":502.148,"endTime":507.02,"body":"resolution is be bold, try small things, experiment."},{"startTime":507.52,"endTime":512.072,"body":"And the personal message that I have for all of our listeners is some of our"},{"startTime":512.096,"endTime":515.576,"body":"greatest learnings isn't from the success that you derive from trying"},{"startTime":515.648,"endTime":519.56,"body":"something. It's from all those, you know, unsuccessful things."},{"startTime":519.6,"endTime":524.712,"body":"My favorite quote is from Thomas Edison, who said, who, upon asked, how do"},{"startTime":524.736,"endTime":529.896,"body":"you feel about the thousands of failed light bulb attempts? His response"},{"startTime":529.928,"endTime":534.34,"body":"was, I now know thousands of ways of how not to build a light bulb."},{"startTime":534.52,"endTime":536.636,"body":"And those are really insightful."},{"startTime":536.748,"endTime":541.72,"body":"So be bold with your agile adoption and hopefully you'll learn something and"},{"startTime":542.02,"endTime":545.48,"body":"make you, your team and your whole experience better and more fun."},{"startTime":546.02,"endTime":551.052,"body":"Well, onto our next resolution, which both Arthur and I are very keen"},{"startTime":551.116,"endTime":556.64,"body":"advocates of AI and keen watchers of how AI is unfolding in our landscape."},{"startTime":557.06,"endTime":562.336,"body":"We're both technical folks, and for me, AI is just the next version of math."},{"startTime":562.428,"endTime":565.192,"body":"Right? That's like my simplified view of AI, so."},{"startTime":565.216,"endTime":568.872,"body":"But I wanted to give Arthur a chance to talk a little bit about how AI has"},{"startTime":568.896,"endTime":569.736,"body":"become use."},{"startTime":569.888,"endTime":572.712,"body":"One of our goals is to see AI become useful."},{"startTime":572.776,"endTime":576.52,"body":"But he has a great quote, so I'm going to let him share with you his"},{"startTime":576.56,"endTime":582.76,"body":"thoughts. Yeah, it is fascinating to see how far AI has come, because for"},{"startTime":582.8,"endTime":587.832,"body":"decades we've been watching tools where you could take a random person and"},{"startTime":587.856,"endTime":593.518,"body":"get them to produce an application, and we watch them fail miserably because"},{"startTime":593.574,"endTime":597.23,"body":"they just required specialized training and knowledge and education."},{"startTime":597.35,"endTime":599.022,"body":"And even then they did a poor job."},{"startTime":599.126,"endTime":603.55,"body":"And now we're not there yet, where you can just ask the computer to do any"},{"startTime":603.59,"endTime":606.35,"body":"arbitrary thing and it'll create the code and the infrastructure and off"},{"startTime":606.39,"endTime":607.198,"body":"it'll go."},{"startTime":607.334,"endTime":613.982,"body":"But we are at a place where, in the hands of actually trained people, AI is"},{"startTime":614.086,"endTime":617.648,"body":"super, super useful, super effective."},{"startTime":617.814,"endTime":622.62,"body":"But we're also at the point where AI in the hands of the uninitiated is"},{"startTime":622.66,"endTime":623.724,"body":"extremely deadly."},{"startTime":623.772,"endTime":626.172,"body":"And what Joanne was referring to."},{"startTime":626.276,"endTime":630.14,"body":"There's an old quote, and I'm pretty sure it was Bill Gates in the early 90s"},{"startTime":630.22,"endTime":635.996,"body":"about computers should be as easy to use as chainsaws, but much safer."},{"startTime":636.188,"endTime":640.46,"body":"And I feel like that's the same thing with AI and in my discussions with"},{"startTime":640.5,"endTime":644.332,"body":"people, I'm finding that people who have a lot of experience doing what"},{"startTime":644.356,"endTime":648.44,"body":"they're doing, whether it's coding or testing or security or performance,"},{"startTime":649.46,"endTime":651.724,"body":"they become way more effective."},{"startTime":651.852,"endTime":656.796,"body":"Think that you can grab somebody off the street and say, hey, guess what,"},{"startTime":656.948,"endTime":658.284,"body":"you're now a tester."},{"startTime":658.412,"endTime":659.836,"body":"We're going to turn you loose."},{"startTime":659.948,"endTime":666.156,"body":"Here's a chatbot, right? Go create tests that they're going to do the right"},{"startTime":666.228,"endTime":672.54,"body":"thing and do it constantly and consistently in a way that is meaningful."},{"startTime":672.62,"endTime":676.254,"body":"We'll get into that more one day when we talk about testing deeper."},{"startTime":676.382,"endTime":678.878,"body":"It is exactly like a chainsaw right now."},{"startTime":678.934,"endTime":680.302,"body":"Super powerful, super useful."},{"startTime":680.366,"endTime":681.918,"body":"And you're going to cut your foot off."},{"startTime":682.054,"endTime":683.102,"body":"Yep, absolutely."},{"startTime":683.166,"endTime":683.582,"body":"I think."},{"startTime":683.606,"endTime":687.934,"body":"And whenever Arthur says that, I have that image of a kindergartner in class"},{"startTime":688.022,"endTime":691.982,"body":"running with scissors, right? Like they are blithely brandishing the"},{"startTime":692.006,"endTime":695.102,"body":"scissors because they know it's useful, but they're actually endangering"},{"startTime":695.166,"endTime":697.21,"body":"themselves and everyone around them."},{"startTime":697.91,"endTime":703.504,"body":"But Arthur and I will have more segments on AI as Parasoft has been an early"},{"startTime":703.592,"endTime":705.456,"body":"innovator in the AI space."},{"startTime":705.608,"endTime":710.576,"body":"So stay tuned, tune in next time or when we start pushing these AI opinion"},{"startTime":710.608,"endTime":711.392,"body":"pieces at you."},{"startTime":711.416,"endTime":715.664,"body":"In our next set of podcasts, you'll learn more about how to prevent yourself"},{"startTime":715.712,"endTime":719.94,"body":"from hurting others with the scissors and with the chainsaws."},{"startTime":720.52,"endTime":726.416,"body":"But the idea of safety and security is very much top of mind for both of us."},{"startTime":726.488,"endTime":730.394,"body":"And our last New year's resolution is focused on cybersecurity."},{"startTime":730.552,"endTime":736.278,"body":"For me, the resolution really focuses on paying attention to cybersecurity."},{"startTime":736.374,"endTime":741.782,"body":"2024 as a small retrospective had a lot of different vulnerabilities that"},{"startTime":741.806,"endTime":744.694,"body":"were exposed that actually endangered people."},{"startTime":744.782,"endTime":752.518,"body":"In fact, did an entire segment on how CrowdStrike, albeit was never intended"},{"startTime":752.614,"endTime":758.246,"body":"to be a piece of safety critical software, but it actually potentially"},{"startTime":758.278,"endTime":760.134,"body":"killed people that we don't even know about."},{"startTime":760.222,"endTime":764.94,"body":"And we without being super morbid, we know the use cases of hospitals being"},{"startTime":764.98,"endTime":768.812,"body":"impacted, 911 calling centers being impacted."},{"startTime":768.956,"endTime":772.908,"body":"And it doesn't, it's not a small leap, it's a very tiny leap to go from"},{"startTime":772.964,"endTime":777.2,"body":"those impacted systems to people being hurt and people being injured."},{"startTime":777.54,"endTime":781.948,"body":"So from my perspective, this, our new year's resolution for being"},{"startTime":782.004,"endTime":786.796,"body":"responsible technology owners is to really start to look at how software,"},{"startTime":786.828,"endTime":791.1,"body":"which is pervasive needs to have an angle towards security in every aspect"},{"startTime":791.18,"endTime":794.872,"body":"because you never how your software might impact others."},{"startTime":794.976,"endTime":796.344,"body":"But Arthur also had thoughts."},{"startTime":796.392,"endTime":799.992,"body":"So Arthur, what are your New Year's resolution look like when it comes to"},{"startTime":800.016,"endTime":802.248,"body":"cyber security? I was just going to add on to yours."},{"startTime":802.344,"endTime":804.392,"body":"Maybe it's time we just started building software."},{"startTime":804.456,"endTime":807.176,"body":"Right. Like I didn't have this as one of my resolutions."},{"startTime":807.288,"endTime":809.016,"body":"Maybe the software should just be built."},{"startTime":809.048,"endTime":812.472,"body":"Right. Because like you mentioned with CrowdStrike, people didn't think"},{"startTime":812.496,"endTime":816.712,"body":"about the fact that CrowdStrike ended up being deployed in a first responder"},{"startTime":816.776,"endTime":821.682,"body":"environment and therefore it was unacceptable to be used in that kind of an"},{"startTime":821.706,"endTime":822.402,"body":"environment. Right."},{"startTime":822.426,"endTime":824.322,"body":"Even though it's supposed to make their lives better."},{"startTime":824.506,"endTime":827.314,"body":"So yeah, maybe that's what I."},{"startTime":827.402,"endTime":828.978,"body":"And I'll circle back to that in a second."},{"startTime":829.034,"endTime":833.09,"body":"But every year people ask me for, you know, predictions for the year."},{"startTime":833.21,"endTime":837.474,"body":"Yep. And I have my, like my first prediction is always this year there will"},{"startTime":837.482,"endTime":842.594,"body":"be a major cyber security incident and it affect a bunch of people and it"},{"startTime":842.602,"endTime":846.882,"body":"will cost a lot of money and it will be based on software and bad practices"},{"startTime":846.946,"endTime":848.706,"body":"and be completely avoidable."},{"startTime":848.898,"endTime":852.61,"body":"And by the end of the year, year, nothing will have changed."},{"startTime":853.67,"endTime":855.134,"body":"That's my prediction."},{"startTime":855.262,"endTime":861.31,"body":"Now when I was thinking from a New Year's resolution perspective, if I"},{"startTime":861.35,"endTime":864.398,"body":"could, my resolution would be that's not going to happen anymore."},{"startTime":864.494,"endTime":865.85,"body":"I can't do that."},{"startTime":866.31,"endTime":868.41,"body":"It's not going to happen to me."},{"startTime":869.19,"endTime":874.622,"body":"And I would say that cybersecurity is the exercise of all software"},{"startTime":874.686,"endTime":876.046,"body":"resolutions. Right."},{"startTime":876.198,"endTime":878.078,"body":"I'm going to go to the gym this year."},{"startTime":878.134,"endTime":879.69,"body":"I'm going to work out."},{"startTime":880.59,"endTime":882.918,"body":"This is constant."},{"startTime":883.014,"endTime":886.694,"body":"So if you think it's time, do it right now."},{"startTime":886.782,"endTime":891.254,"body":"Like make a commitment that you're going to do a better job at it."},{"startTime":891.342,"endTime":896.518,"body":"And because that's too vague, there's two or three things that you can do."},{"startTime":896.654,"endTime":901.35,"body":"Right. One is make sure that you're checking your supply chain."},{"startTime":901.43,"endTime":903.11,"body":"It's absolutely critical."},{"startTime":903.19,"endTime":906.598,"body":"It's not the software you wrote, but you stuck it inside what you're doing."},{"startTime":906.654,"endTime":910.688,"body":"And, and you're responsible for the problems it causes."},{"startTime":910.864,"endTime":916.032,"body":"Right. And, and another is start really effectively using static analysis."},{"startTime":916.096,"endTime":917.92,"body":"Don't rely just on pen testing."},{"startTime":918.0,"endTime":919.76,"body":"Start catching the stuff earlier."},{"startTime":919.88,"endTime":925.216,"body":"Earlier and, and third, and perhaps most important, secure by design."},{"startTime":925.368,"endTime":930.048,"body":"Like I said to your thing, we have to start building software that is more"},{"startTime":930.104,"endTime":932.88,"body":"reliable, more safe and more secure."},{"startTime":932.96,"endTime":936.248,"body":"And the way to get there isn't testing, it's to build it better."},{"startTime":936.304,"endTime":939.352,"body":"And, and a bunch of people right now are going, what the heck is the"},{"startTime":939.376,"endTime":942.904,"body":"difference? We're going to cover that very soon."},{"startTime":942.992,"endTime":944.072,"body":"In the near future."},{"startTime":944.176,"endTime":949.288,"body":"Because what we don't have time to talk about today is that a, a new"},{"startTime":949.344,"endTime":953.192,"body":"directive, an executive order from the White House in the United States just"},{"startTime":953.216,"endTime":956.024,"body":"dropped, and the large part of it is cybersecurity."},{"startTime":956.072,"endTime":959.464,"body":"And of course, a chunk of that bunch of it's weird IT stuff."},{"startTime":959.512,"endTime":961.928,"body":"Right? Right, guys? Right."},{"startTime":962.064,"endTime":969.284,"body":"But a bunch of it is very, very semi specific, but at least directed toward"},{"startTime":969.332,"endTime":974.5,"body":"trying to improve at least visibility and transparency on best practices in"},{"startTime":974.54,"endTime":976.068,"body":"software. And that's a good start."},{"startTime":976.124,"endTime":979.892,"body":"Right? We're not going to get there in one big monolithic leap."},{"startTime":979.956,"endTime":981.812,"body":"We're going to get there iteratively."},{"startTime":981.956,"endTime":984.5,"body":"Right. Circle back on you."},{"startTime":984.62,"endTime":989.492,"body":"Right. Small chunks, experimenting and being responsible and be bold while"},{"startTime":989.516,"endTime":990.772,"body":"you're doing all that."},{"startTime":990.956,"endTime":994.196,"body":"Well, I think that brings us to the close of our podcast today."},{"startTime":994.268,"endTime":998.49,"body":"Our New Year's resolutions are out there and I'm keen on seeing how we do in"},{"startTime":998.53,"endTime":1000.298,"body":"January 5, in 2025."},{"startTime":1000.354,"endTime":1005.13,"body":"Thanks, Arthur, for chatting with me today and we'll see you guys back here"},{"startTime":1005.17,"endTime":1005.99,"body":"next time."},{"startTime":1006.37,"endTime":1007.09,"body":"So long, everyone."}]}