Slip into the shadows with us as Glenn from Two Shadows unravels the tapestry of goth metal melodies and the raw emotion behind their chart-topping hit "Scratchin' Out the Surface." It's not every day that you get to steal glimpses into an artist's soul. Still, Glenn lays it bare, recounting the transformative studio journey, the tug-of-war with record labels, and the unparalleled rush of hearing fans echo his lyrics. Our hometown hero doesn't shy away from sharing the gritty challenges of live gigs and the peculiar bonds forged with fans—some inked in skin, others etched in memory.
Remember the first time a song's lyrics gripped you, transporting you to a moment, a feeling, a revelation? Glenn's musical odyssey is a testament to the power of notes and words, steering us from his earliest guitar riffs inspired by metal icons to the latest collaborative spells cast in the studio. He opens up about the alchemy of songwriting, the serendipity of band formations, and the balancing act between personal voice and universal narratives. It's a symphony of experiences that resonate with any music aficionado who's ever found solace or identity in a tune.
Cap off your cup of dark roast with a deep dive into the future rhythms that Glenn is conjuring up. From the meticulous work ethic that fuels his creative fire to the external motivations that shape his musical escapades, every anecdote is a backdoor pass into the life of a goth metal maestro. Whether it's a discussion on pet peeves, the cleansing of clutter, or the anticipation of new projects and tours, this episode isn't just a backstage pass—it's a journey into the heart of a music junkie's passion. Join us for an episode that's as much about reflection as a revelation, topped with a hint of the unconventional and a heavy dose of metal mastery.
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Slip into the shadows with us as Glenn from Two Shadows unravels the tapestry of goth metal melodies and the raw emotion behind their chart-topping hit "Scratchin' Out the Surface." It's not every day that you get to steal glimpses into an artist's soul. Still, Glenn lays it bare, recounting the transformative studio journey, the tug-of-war with record labels, and the unparalleled rush of hearing fans echo his lyrics. Our hometown hero doesn't shy away from sharing the gritty challenges of live gigs and the peculiar bonds forged with fans—some inked in skin, others etched in memory.
Remember the first time a song's lyrics gripped you, transporting you to a moment, a feeling, a revelation? Glenn's musical odyssey is a testament to the power of notes and words, steering us from his earliest guitar riffs inspired by metal icons to the latest collaborative spells cast in the studio. He opens up about the alchemy of songwriting, the serendipity of band formations, and the balancing act between personal voice and universal narratives. It's a symphony of experiences that resonate with any music aficionado who's ever found solace or identity in a tune.
Cap off your cup of dark roast with a deep dive into the future rhythms that Glenn is conjuring up. From the meticulous work ethic that fuels his creative fire to the external motivations that shape his musical escapades, every anecdote is a backdoor pass into the life of a goth metal maestro. Whether it's a discussion on pet peeves, the cleansing of clutter, or the anticipation of new projects and tours, this episode isn't just a backstage pass—it's a journey into the heart of a music junkie's passion. Join us for an episode that's as much about reflection as a revelation, topped with a hint of the unconventional and a heavy dose of metal mastery.
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Welcome everyone to music junkies, a podcast about people sharing extraordinary stories about how music has impacted their lives. Alright, welcome everyone to music junkies. I'm your host, annette Smith, and today our guest. I'm super excited. We've been chatting for like a half an hour, I feel like before we even got started. But he is a singer and member of the goth metal duo two shadows, which I'm jacked. He's in Vancouver, bc. We love Vancouver, cheers to that. He likes coffee, early sunsets and wearing black all the time. I'm jacked. We've been trying to get him on the show for a while, so here he is today, glenn, nice to see you, my friend.
Speaker 2:Thanks so much for having me and I'm stoked we made this, this happen. This was possibly the longest message chain in history to get here, so we put in the work and we're finally here and we're doing this thing. So thank you very much.
Speaker 1:And we're both from the island, which is crazy both from Nanaimo, so we were reminiscing about all our stomping grounds and all the bad things that we used to do growing up. Touch base on all of that stuff. What was your experience, glenn, putting your playlist together for me today?
Speaker 2:It was. It was fun. Actually it was labeled as homework and I was like, oh no, I actually need to do a thing for for an interview. I was like I need to actually put work in, like, oh no, this is a disaster, what am I going to do? And then it was actually fun. I enjoyed it. I used to make a lot of playlists on Spotify, except I'm terrible at them because, like you said, keep it reasonable. Like you know, 10 ish songs or whatever, and I that was this challenge. I instantly had like 30 and then had to go backwards. My my one playlist that I listened to the most was I called it like Glenn's top 10 songs and I think it had like over 1000 songs in it. So I'm not I. Once I get going on the playlists, it's a momentum type situation. It's hard to stop. But you know, I'm feeling good about this one. This was nice. I definitely went backwards from 30 to get just the kind of the most Interesting, interesting songs. It's weird, it's a weird playlist, but I'm excited.
Speaker 1:I like it. It's funny because I had, when I first started the show, probably my second year I had a guy send me seven hours, like seven hour playlist, and I was like, hey, you got to drop it down to like 10. He's like, honestly, you could pick any of those songs and I would have a story and I was like sounds like a challenge, let's try it and it was amazing Like but it was like six hours of music and I was like this is so cool.
Speaker 1:That's all the memories of all of those like you would have like a cool story for every. Like it was, it was impressive. I was like, wow, good for you.
Speaker 2:You might get out of the way as soon as you like. You're like oh, I can't pick a song from this album. I got to add the whole album. Then it's over. As soon as you do that, you've got a six hour long playlist and I think that's the. That's how it happens, so I've been there.
Speaker 1:I love. It all right, we're gonna get started on your first song. I love it.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, I don't remember these songs also, so this is really funny. Oh yeah, it's not terrible.
Speaker 1:That's by you guys and I love the album cover.
Speaker 2:it's really cool oh thank you, which cover is it? There's actually three covers of this song.
Speaker 1:One of the faces just kind of pressed up. It's all on the wall, okay.
Speaker 2:The EP cover nice, yeah, that was a fun one. Bring the cold inside. That's the, I think. I guess that's the cold coming inside, perhaps I don't know. I made that artwork. That's my own art. What does it mean? I don't know.
Speaker 1:So scratchin out the surface. So is that a song that you wrote?
Speaker 2:That is a yeah, that's Two Shadows song, that's our big song. I suppose it was the first song we put out in the kind of current era or well, I don't know if it's really the current era anymore but the modern era of Two Shadows, like we kind of had like some garage bands like really crappy stuff and then we put out that song and that was our first song really, and our first real song, I suppose, and it got onto Billboard, which was really cool.
Speaker 2:We worked with Vier Union on that one and there are, like the label team and like our producer, crispin, sings on it, which is sweet and it was cool. That was a song. It used to be called Haunted Home and it was very different as a demo and then that was the first time going into the studio and like really taking a song and like it changing, like flipping on its head, like in the room, and everybody in the band at the time was completely traumatized of this thing they created and how it is now different as soon as other people got involved. And it was a big, big song for us as a learning process. Big song because it was actually like successful, which is rare. Successful songs are few and far between. These days is a lot of songs and, yeah, it's been one for us and so on.
Speaker 2:People know the words to live and it's a really special song to us and I, yeah, I love, I love that song forever. But I've heard it like a billion times, I've played it a lot. I've even played it more than once at the same show too, and it's also I think it's the hardest song to do live because the band refused to drop the key down. Sometimes I like to lower the key of a song if it's kind of hard to sing, just to make my life easier. But they won't do it on the phone, not the phone guy. I suffer for this song.
Speaker 1:So I, you know, you made a, you made a couple comments right about just kind of going in the studio and you guys all kind of had an idea. That's the idea you put out. And then other influences kind of come in and want to like, add their two sense on to what that is going to look like. Do you, do you accept a lot of that stuff? Are you like whoa, whoa? Like this is my baby, this is I. Like it like this? We don't need Justin Timberlake to come in and do the middle piece of that. Thank you, though.
Speaker 2:It's that, that's the, that's the real, the real puzzle. Going into the studio as a band, when you're working with the label, especially when you have other people getting their paws into the writing of stuff, you know I think I think that on one hand it's like, oh, it's my baby, like I don't want it to change, like I made it this way on purpose, I like it how it is. And then there's like on the flip side, like it could be if you can let go of like the ego and about yourself and just think of the song as like a separate thing. The song A lot of the times can be better, maybe not every time, but you know you really got to know when to when to say yes, one to say no, when, like you know, this is a good, this is a good idea.
Speaker 2:That's too much, it's a bit of a tricky balance and I think that's the whole process. You know it's like the art of it all is, you know, and knowing how to kind of navigate that and kind of be in charge and stuff like that. And usually it's the vocal melodies and stuff that are the big point, because you know you got to have the hooks in the big courses and all that stuff. So it's usually me and I'm on, it's all my material out of the time that's getting really analyzed. So I'm, I've happened a lot and I'm all I know. I know these ropes now but that just that first time was was crazy.
Speaker 2:But it was actually cool on that song because a lot of people wrote a lot of parts and almost everybody's stuff got the axe, except mine and interests at the time, back when there were more, more people in the band. So that that was a little bit satisfying as survive the the killing fields. But the other guys end up quitting the band. So that's here we are now. They, they. It was definitely impactful for them crazy.
Speaker 1:So when you hear the crowd sing the song with you all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe not every time, but a lot of the most out of any song, I would say. And that's the coolest feeling in the world.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna ask you, what's that feeling like when you're just watching people most your music, whether they're singing a lot or not, it's got it. You got to be like this is fucking cool, like I'm starting to know this is really cool.
Speaker 2:It's like it's one of those, you know, not maybe not like once in a lifetime experiences, but like only you know the select few will ever, ever experience that, and I feel like you know, like I really want a lottery getting to experience that sensation of just that shared love, for something like that I got a hand in creating. It's the very, very crazy, very cool thing and, yeah, definitely, you know, puts a smile on the face every time I think of it and it's absolutely insane. I couldn't even describe it. It's literally the coolest thing in the world.
Speaker 1:You love it. Have you ever signed anything weird to for a fan?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, what's, what's to bring? For example, I've signed, I've signed like somebody's arm, and then they get it tattooed. That's scary, oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean, love it for them, that's your thing. I love you, I support you and to the end of the people who send my signature tattooed on them.
Speaker 2:I love them all, but it's it's, it's for myself. It's quite intense, like I just like I feel like I'm going to mess up my signature all of a sudden or something. So that's, that's some high octane stuff. And then, like, sometimes people bring like something personal of theirs to sign and that's like pretty cool. There's always the like sign my baby. Joke. I don't think I've signed a baby. Maybe I can't remember.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I have three males in this planet that have my name on their bodies. Oh wow, the last one we were separating. And then when I came home, I noticed that he had my name on his neck, like not like on your arm or like literally on, and I was like you, like, why do you have my name on? Like we're not to get like what's happening Right, like no, yeah, I'd like you to remember that.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't want my name on your neck. Years later, it's now a vine, but still, I still know it's there. I get it. I'm amazing, but you got to stop tattooing my name on your body because it makes it weird.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure if I've ever been adopted. That's. That's pretty crazy. I've no. I haven't seen that. I haven't seen like somebody's shown up with my name on them. That that's another, another rank. I think that I've not. I've not broken through there.
Speaker 1:Right, when you guys you know are crazy, insane, famous, there's just going to be like all of these rando people with your name on them, I mean you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm here for it. I'm here for it, Wild. I'm like I got no words, but I'm here for it.
Speaker 1:Alright, next song.
Speaker 2:Okay, wow, flying.
Speaker 1:Kind of has a Marilyn Manson vibe hey.
Speaker 2:It does. Actually, at the beginning I hadn't, I hadn't noticed that it sounds kind of different coming through like my system here than yeah speakers with the zoom call and stuff. But yeah, definitely, it's like pretty got a pretty manciny intro which I hadn't realized. But go figure, yeah, that one is Merchant of the Void by Three Teeth. They just put out an industrial album and it's just so good and I think we on the way back from the last tour, our drummer, josh, threw it on and like everybody in the bus was like what is that? And I was like what's new Three Teeth? We were like yo turn it up. And then Tristan, I've listened to it to death, like we practically can't even listen to the album anymore. We've heard it so many times, we keep putting it on. But it's just so good, it's just like really new industrial music. It's got Nick Gordon on there. He's been on fire lately and just the production quality is amazing and like the beats, all that stuff, it's just a really solid like modern industrial music and that's something that we love and that's.
Speaker 2:I don't know that just that album is just like so huge it's hard to even like it hasn't been out long enough to like to talk about like what it's done and stuff. It's like still pretty new, like a couple of months old maybe. Maybe not that song, but the album anyway and it's. Yeah, it's just so good and it's inspiring. I think some of the newer two shadows music just getting more of that modern industrial flavor in there. But yeah, it just kicks ass. That's what it is. It kicks ass Tons of ass.
Speaker 1:What's been your favorite show that you've played so far, when that kind of stands out.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, hard to pick one show. The one that always comes to mind, I think for us, is the biggest show which we played in.
Speaker 1:Sioux City.
Speaker 2:Iowa randomly and we were touring with the Vera Union and we ended up opening for Hinder which was the randomest thing, and there was like over 300 people at that show, I think, and like we've been playing to like bars, to like almost nobody the whole time and then suddenly there was 300 people all there and they were all stoked and that was pretty crazy. That was a lot for sure. That was a lot on the mind, I think. Just that experience, but it was super, super cool. Great night I don't know that one's memorable in that way, but like a lot of the fun and fun shows was like you. We played in Cleveland recently and we got there day early, we made friends with like a whole bunch of people and like we knew everyone and that worked at the venue and stuff like that, and it was like kind of felt like more of like a family kind of feel to it and that's really sweet, similar to when we played our home town in Vancouver.
Speaker 2:That was really great show too. But it's just when we know everybody and it's like you know, you're with the squad, you know, and you kind of like go up and play the show and it's like woohoo, and you come off and you're still hanging out. Yeah, I know it's always a lot more fun when you're your friends and your people are there. I agree.
Speaker 1:Do you guys have any? Do you have any rituals before you get on stage? You got to do something, not?
Speaker 2:really we're like a really, really non superstitious group, which is like maybe surprising given the you know kind of a doffy, occult sort of nature of our art. But like now, we're not superstitious at all. I have no ritual. If I think about the show like too much before I go on, I'll psych myself out and I'll screw up. They're all you know, mis-acute or something, so I don't think about it at all. I do like a warm up because, like, if I don't warm up then I'll suck.
Speaker 2:So I but like the warm up is like not even like I don't even think about it the same way as the show. It's just like before I go on stage I must do a warm up. Sometimes that's as I'm walking on, sometimes it's an hour before something. Usually I try to do before soundcheck, if I'm well-behaved. That's that's what I do. But get my warm up done and then like I'll just chill, I'll literally be like backstage. It's like I don't know, like having a beer, and then like the song will start and I'm like whoop, I'm like you know, kind of put that down, go on, rock out, come back. I just like to keep it casual because I just that's how I. So for me, the best way, that's how I keep going.
Speaker 1:I think it's a great way. Don't want to get in your hands. Psych yourself out right. The whole point of performing is to have fun. Like the crowd can tell if you can't have fun or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'd be natural too. That's why I like to be myself on stage more, just cause stuff, I don't know, I, I, I, I, I. We wear all the costumes and makeup, but I don't want to be like fake, even though, like I'm behind all these, like the production and then the makeup and then like all these, all these things. But at the end of the day I like to just kind of be myself and you know it can be a bit of a dumb ass, but it's fun, you know, and just going up and having a good time and, you know, getting the hype going and people saying in, jamming out, rocking out, that's what I love to do. I like to keep it easy, keep it casual, keep it.
Speaker 1:You know it's, it's a thing for everyone too, like there's no agenda, it's just like, yeah, where do you come up with like makeup style, where does that kind of come up with? Do you want to change it up every single time? Do you want to like, be like, kiss, like what are we talking here?
Speaker 2:Uh started the makeup thing and it was inspired by, like Alice Cooper and kind of kiss, um and like, uh, you know, marilyn Manson to an extent, like this kind of like the you know goth, kind of industrial stage costume-y type of stuff. It's always been a part of two shadows since the inception or even kind of before. It was Trist had another band before. That was like starting to do it. And then when I joined, uh, they're already like full makeup and then I used to uh do all kinds of weird stuff with my makeup. I was very adventurous.
Speaker 2:And then, um, when I was, I eventually was like I used to play bass and I was playing bass and doing lead vocals and then I was just doing lead vocals. It got too hard. I was like I got time to do all these jobs. It's too much, uh, so, um, then I don't know, I kind of switched to just kind of more of a basic the guy liner kind of look, which I like and it's easy, um, and it always looks good, um, and like I don't know like it's. I guess it felt different as a singer, like I kind of wanted more, more consistency and more of like my actual face rather than like all this kind of stuff to hide behind, maybe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, and Trist used to be one of the more modest uh people too. Like he has like a couple of little detailings that he does, but back in the day, like our drummer used to do, uh, he'd like black out his neck like up to his jaw kind of look. And then our old guitar player, at the beginning you have, like he'd wear like a cool, like a mask really with like spikes and stuff on it, and then I used to do like this, uh, kind of like broken glass sort of thing out of my eyes. Just, I thought it was sweet but, um, I don't know, times kind of changed and we we went more into the kind of like glam side of the makeup. Just to you know, look super killer, not necessarily like scary or like, you know, black metal.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of work, though. Think of it Like I just went and seen um. Kiss was just here in Calgary and I just went to go see them. So it was pretty cool. We had um like these. I didn't even know that we had VIP tickets, but apparently we did. So my girlfriend lives in in red year. This is the person that I moved with when I came out to Calgary. She was like I text because I'm like you need to be here. Apparently we have VIP and she's like what, so I'm like you need to be here at like two o'clock.
Speaker 1:We got to go down there so we had like a this is a private show, like maybe a hundred people, just like a private show. So they didn't have their makeup on right, so, which is cool. We had a question and answer, which was like awesome. We had so much fun. It was like pretty cool just to kind of hang out the band a little bit, but then you know they did their performance, obviously full makeup, full gear, um, and it was just really cool to see like both sides of it. But think of how many times, how many shows they've did. You know, say, three, 40, three hundred and 40 shows a year when they were like in their prime right and putting that makeup on every like. There had to be a time when they're like fuck, you know they're probably happy that a couple of years, or like we don't want to wear makeup.
Speaker 1:Like we're good, Like let's just go out there with this right Cause it becomes a lot. You got to remember like it's like the band aid, like that might have been a rat bad choice, like, was that Nellie who had a band aid? And you're like, dude, was this not my kind of vibe there? Yeah, like who had the band-aid? I think it was like. Now I can't remember, I'm not sure. Right, he probably just had a scratch there and then now for 10 years he has to wear a stupid band-aid on his face, right?
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's, yeah, that's insane, it's a lot. I mean it's. It's pretty brutal putting on the makeup all the time, but it's like, yeah, it's, it's. It feels really like necessary and like good, because it's like it makes the show better, like that's kind of. If I think where you where it ends up.
Speaker 2:So like the makeup makes the show better. You want to have the best show you possibly can, so like obviously you need to put on makeup Like it's not even a question or like you know anything at all. It's just like it must be done.
Speaker 2:I mean, you don't really think about it. And I've had one. There was one day I was like really tired and I I took a nap and then the guys like couldn't wake me up. So then I was like I think 10 minutes to show and then I like woke up and didn't even have makeup on or anything and I had to just like get into costume, quickly throw on all the makeup and then like run out onto the stage. It was like really silly. That was in Peterborough in Ontario Fun, super fun show. Actually it was such a ride. It was one of the goofiest shows I think we've ever played.
Speaker 2:It was like we it was a, we had a day off and we did a show like last minute and then it was like it was pretty cool and the people that came were super fun and, like you know, partying, and then we were just like it was such a random show and was random situation, so it was a super loose, super fun show. So of all the shows for it to happen, I'm glad it was that one because it was like it was it was a hit.
Speaker 1:It was funny. Everybody loved it, but like you know don't want to be doing that all the time.
Speaker 2:you know like to kind of be be punctual and at least get there before the song starts. That's kind of the the intention, that's right.
Speaker 1:I would say All right, next song, let's do it.
Speaker 2:All right, hey where the dead ship dwells, well, some inflames.
Speaker 1:I love that band. It's one of my favorite bands Probably might well.
Speaker 2:they're for sure my favorite metalcore band, which is relevant because that's kind of the genre that we live in playing. And they, yeah, they just they kick ass. I've seen them in a lot of different ways. I've seen them in a lot of different ways. I've seen them in a lot of different ways. I've seen them in a lot of different ways and they, yeah, they just they kick ass. I've seen them like four, three, four times. The Anders is one of my favorite singers, huge influence, and that was that's probably my favorite inflames album.
Speaker 2:A little bit of a controversial choice, because they were like really heavy, like more death metal, leaning for like that half of their career and then they're one of their main songwriters left. And then they put up that album and it was like suddenly metalcore and like really different and I thought it was amazing. And then I was like, oh, I love it. And then that song is really good. It's got super killer sorencouris and all the, all the fixings. It's just like I don't know, super solid song. Not a weird choice. There's some weird, weirder songs on this playlist. That is not one of the weird songs, I would say, but yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1:What was your very first concert ever?
Speaker 2:My very first concert ever was three days grace in 2007 in Victoria. Actually, I was in, I was in grade six, grade seven at the time and we'd get booted down to Victoria to catch three days grace. And it was three days grace and then they were with the used and with defaults. It was actually a super stacked bill for for Canada Anyway and there's really cool and a great, great tour.
Speaker 2:It was with Adam, of course. That was right. When life starts, life starts. Now came out, and three days grace is one of my favorite bands too, so it was a really good first show. I was just in awe the whole time. I was like whoa, definitely I had not considered that I could possibly do something like that at the time. I was out of my league for sure. But very cool and yeah, I don't know great, great experience.
Speaker 1:But did you want to be when you were growing up? I never really knew I think I, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I was like really little. I was like I'm going to be an astronaut or a fireman or something. And then I was like, ah, screw that, that's super boring and being an astronaut is way too hard. I don't got the discipline to do that, something like that. And then I, I don't know, I wanted I don't know what I wanted to do. I think I was really into like graphic design. I used to make little like animation videos and like stupid, like meme graphics. Back in like the 2000s, when I was a young whipper, my dad was a tech guy, so he supplied me with all the necessary gadgets and tools that I needed for my misadventures and I ended up doing that for a while, but that's kind of I don't know.
Speaker 2:I was like it's a it's a tough industry to be in right now, especially like I got into it in like 2010 ish or a little after, and it was like just the whole industry flipped on its head with technology and then, especially now, with AI and everything's templates and you know, like automatic things.
Speaker 1:I learned how to do everything analog and I can still do it all analog and like building a website by code.
Speaker 2:It's just like you don't do that anymore. It's like no, I would. Soon as I went to college and I got all those skills that they were like immediately obsolete. Nice, that's great.
Speaker 1:What kind of music did your parents listen to when you were growing up?
Speaker 2:They listened to. Well, I picked a song before that, one more into that, but they, they my dad was really into like progressive stuff, like he was a prog guy for sure, like Peter Gabriel, a little foreshadow there and General Giant and like XTC and a little bit of Oingo Boingo Maybe there's an Oingo Boingo appearance as well and I like, I like all those bands. Now I didn't, I wouldn't really get it when I was a kid. Oh, frank Zappa is another one and my mom was more on the kind of like Neil Young, like Janice Joplin, kind of more folky, kind of more accessible, kind of music, I suppose.
Speaker 1:And yeah, that was.
Speaker 2:they were very musical people though musical households for sure, and a lot of songs playing all the time. My dad had, like I know, he had cassettes for a bit and then he got like CDs and he bought some thing with like 500 CDs in this big ring and it auto-played them all yeah.
Speaker 1:I remember those. Those are awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are not seen on since actually. And then eventually all the CDs uploaded to NHD obviously to somewhere, wherever they are now, and this music still going. When I visit them it's still playing a lot of the same stuff. So they're living their best life out on Vancouver Island listening to all that proggy goodness.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love it. All right. Next song All right, so out of my head out of my head.
Speaker 2:Rez and Shadow Click. I've got that. One was on the playlist. I had to include it for a couple reasons. Rez is sweet, love Rez great artist, love that kind of like dark electronic, kind of like darker side of EDM type of stuff. It's super, super cool. So, like you know, we love I love Rez and Trist loves Rez quite a lot. And then that song is cool because we played a show in LA with Shadow Click and met them and then we kind of hit it off. We both really liked each other's like art and stuff and the singer Annie on the Rez song super rad in real life and they've been like really on like a good stride Shadow Click has.
Speaker 1:but they apparently they hit up Rez on like Twitter or something it was like oh, it'd be so cool to do a song and then Rez is just like, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2:And then they did like that song. So it was like this awesome band that like we love, and then Rez, which we love also, and they did a song together and it was just like hell, yeah, like that's, that's goals, that's the dream come true, for sure. So it was really cool to see and the song itself is really really good. So if you're into that kind of music, highly recommend that one.
Speaker 1:So have you been, have you guys been, hitting up anybody to kind of collaborate with? Is there somebody that stands out that you'd be like, oh man, that'd be so awesome.
Speaker 2:I mean there's, like you know, the big leagues, course you know all artists mentioned previously would be great. You know, hit us up with that collab. It's a logistical challenge.
Speaker 2:I think doing the collabs like if you get like your friends band, it's easy. But then when it gets into like record label world, they're all like oh, like you know, like they always want you to collab with an artist that's got like higher numbers and higher reach so that, like you can get the win. And then, if not, then it's like you're doing a favor and it gets into this whole like I don't know the politics of the business kind of thing. So it's it's tricky and a lot of the times the label will kind of like, you know, like, hey, we could do a collab with like these artists and they'll kind of like say, like who they know. For instance, we did a collab with telly from the word alive on the EP which was super sweet and like telly is one of those like high class, high tier artists, like really good, like work, tour guy and stuff like these things, and absolutely crushed the parts of the song.
Speaker 1:So that's really cool about it.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to pick who I would want to collab with. I mean, the list is, the list is long. Who is actually possible that we could get? I don't even know. Yeah, so it's, I don't know. Hard to hard, hard to say, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Are you listening to metal music, kind of growing up Like what did you listen to in high school?
Speaker 2:I think before high school I was still like a lot of rock, a lot of, like you know, break and Benjamin is a really big band for me and three days grace. Of course you know that kind of stuff, that the but rock territory, love that, love that music. And then in high school I got into like the heavy stuff, like death metal and black metal, and you know, you know that your cannibal corpses and I like the like melodic death metal and that kind of had its moment which was in flames back then and, like you know, like I'm trying to meet so many of those bands. And then you know more in the middle core, stuff like bullet for my Valentine and, like you know, the list goes on.
Speaker 2:But I kind of got heavier for me in high school and then after high school I I when I got a guitar, I was like all heavy, just shreds all day. Like mc Thompson from slip knotty has this one guitar lesson is just like it was super fast thing. He's like all right for anyone who's wanting to know how to play like super fast, like this. And he just shreds and he's like all you do is you take your picking hand, you just go up down on the string as fast as you can or as long as you can, every day until you can do this and like that, was it and I was like all right sounds good, mc Thompson, that's exactly what I
Speaker 1:did and then talk about the first song you ever learned on guitar.
Speaker 2:First song, yeah, first song I've learned on guitar. What is the song by this band called demon hunter and it's called. Oh my goodness, what is that song called? I don't remember the name of the song. It's been a long time, it's? Oh that's brutal. That should have been on the playlist. I've been called the world is a thorn and it's a super heavy song and it has that fast tremolo picking in it. Yeah, of course I'm going to remember it later and I'm going to start randomly yelling at the titles.
Speaker 1:All right, next song some nine inch nails, all right.
Speaker 2:Oh, that riff in in last is just so good. It's just got it all. It's got the, the crunch, it's in. I think it's an a as well, which is kind of funny because like we play a lot of songs in a, but like he's in, I think, like drop D.
Speaker 2:So a lot of those was big, big a moments like it's kind of funny people used to just play on the a string back in the day, but now we just tune all of our guitars down to get to that same a. So it's kind of an interesting guitar evolution. But that that riff is like, I know, pinnacle for me. It just slaps, got that sick, kicks in air dust, real beat. Gotta love that. And yeah, gotta have nine inch nails in somewhere in the playlist. They're, they're huge. One of the I don't know such a such an influential band and like influential in the industry, turn resner, influential person, just like massive, everything a band could be like. Nine inch nails got it on like 11. So they they're just I don't know one of the best examples I'd say. But yeah, love nine inch nails. That's my favorite nine inch nails song. It's just. Yeah, it's crunchy, it's angry, that's. That EP is really good too, but yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know what to say. What to say about nine inch nails? And they're good. That's all you have to say. So what motivates you, glenn, to work harder? What motivates me to work harder, yeah not enough, I'm just kidding are you?
Speaker 2:lazy. I'm as lazy as possible, that's how I describe it. I, yeah, I will, like you, know if there's a system to do something and I can like optimize it just to make it a little bit more lazy, like, not like cutting corners and not like putting anything in jeopardy, but yeah, just to speed up up. I'm just like you know so much work to do. We want less work, more enjoyment. That's the goal.
Speaker 1:So I agree, I think we need more that stuff and yeah, I know that the world is changing and people are not getting used to it. Like some of it like you were talking about, just with you know design and you know coding a website and all of that kind of stuff, where you just go and kind of do it and it's done. There's like a good and a bad of each of that, where it's like depending on the day yeah that would be really nice to have.
Speaker 1:And then the days where you're like no, I think that would be really fun. I'd like to still kind of do that. So yeah, oh, it's so true, it's so true, um, but uh, yeah, I I don't know, sorry what motivates you to work harder, like, are you one of those kind of people, let's say, that are you kind of motivating everybody to kind of go get something done, or do you need kind of external motivation for you to get stuff done?
Speaker 2:I probably more external motivation. I'd say Trist is maybe the answer to the question. He, that guy, is insane like he is full speed at all times. I think that our, our partnership, works well because, uh, he's so like action, like all the time. Uh, I'm good at kind of like, maybe steering it a little bit like oh, instead of like doing like 10 things to accomplish the goal, this way, we could do like five things. If you do that way, you know, and it's like oh, okay, cool, and we'll kind of go around, you know, change the process.
Speaker 2:Like that's really well together, it sounds like, yeah, oh, definitely, definitely I, you know, I certainly would not be this far without Trist and I'm he would say the same thing.
Speaker 2:Um, but yeah, we met, for, uh, he actually hired me on to do a tour in 2018. I was, I was in Calgary, he's in Vancouver and, uh, through this weird like friend of a friend, super random, most random connection ever, uh, they needed a bass player and I was just playing bass in a band at the time and then, uh, that was kind of how my name got in, and then we like talked on the phone and it was like sweet, and then, uh, I did the tour and then right after that, like I was trying to do bands in Calgary and he was obviously doing bands in Vancouver and we had just the same kind of like kind of vision and like, uh, like work ethic and sort of like approach to it, I guess like there's a lot of different ways to like do a band, obviously, and we were just on that same uh wavelength and that, I think, kind of was the big moment.
Speaker 2:And then I was like, okay, well, he and he was also like over five years further along than I was at it. So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna like join up because this is, this is a good, we should do this. We we both knew that, um, and like, yeah, he already he, it was like for a full cannon along to her.
Speaker 2:Like that. You gotta be pretty far in to pull that off. So I was just kind of like sweet and uh, yeah, my, my poor band in uh in Calgary. I was like sorry guys, I'm out. We were. I was more you could almost say I was in between bands. I had a band broke up and then I was like I had started another band we had just barely started. So is this.
Speaker 1:So what would the band's names? What was your band name here in Calgary?
Speaker 2:the new one didn't have a name yet and the old one was called Octanovic and it was it. It fails, it was, it was going, it was going, but uh, just, we couldn't, couldn't keep it together and uh, yeah, it was fun. It was fun while it lasted, but um, I know we were, we were kind of just like it was like a noise band, it wasn't really anything.
Speaker 2:I kind of started doing other music on the side, like I was writing music for myself. It was a lot more more like melodic bass and kind of like progressive I guess. Uh, and then the guys were kind of it was not, maybe not the best move to make, because it was like noisy kind of crap.
Speaker 2:The group, we couldn't really find like a way to do a melody really well, and then I was kind of like solo doing it already. So it's, you know, not a not the best look anyway, but uh, obviously the band broke up and here we are, so it was for the better great created rooms this place to come right, so it's all right.
Speaker 1:Next song I like the intro. I love it it kind of sounds like Pantera a little bit, this song, yeah, you know what?
Speaker 2:totally, it's um definitely, I would say heavier than Pantera, if that is possible, uh, but yeah especially in the intro it's super Pantera.
Speaker 2:Actually I never realized that that's Chelsea Grinn postage from Eternal Nightmare. Um, I know, this is I. If you're Deathcore fan I'm sure you've you've heard of that. I. I'm not a huge Deathcore guy, but that album knocked my socks off. That was like the kind of the first time I really heard Deathcore in a way that blew me away. I think that whole album is so good um, and that that song is kind of like the you know the lead single. It's like probably the most biggest banger off the album. I'd say, uh, and it's, I don't know, it's so good, it's super heavy. It's like so heavy literally. It's like one one chord on like the zero fret bass, like rooted essentially, and it just kind of goes. I'm trying to do the like the whole time doesn't really change at all in the whole song, but it's just rocks, it's just so good um were you with Singer in every single band you were in uh, yeah, but not by choice.
Speaker 2:Ever is actually. Yeah, that's weird, I didn't. Yeah, I guess. So, um, I, I never started singing. I always like I wanted to be a guitar player. Uh, forever, and then honestly what happened every? Sing. Every time uh is uh, there's either not a singer or no one that can sing, and that was the always the the start of it, and uh, that's how I ended up getting into that position and I never really cared.
Speaker 2:I was like whatever, I'll be a backup singer like I. I'm not. I was never really interested in like fronting. I think that was like really shy to front. Like singing yes, love singing, that's cool fronting. I was like that's way too much to do on top of lots of attention it is? Yeah, definitely is, and even like what I'm doing now, it's definitely a lot of attention, like the whole like singer lead, singer front, person thing.
Speaker 2:Really you get a lot of responsibility yeah, it is, that is, and you gotta you know, you gotta be quick on the on the mic too. But uh, yeah, I guess I guess in all my other bands something like we didn't end up having singing at all, which may be my fault, but uh, yeah, I don't know, that's, that's super funny. I more I think back. Uh, yeah, I usually end up singing um but I think it's just.
Speaker 2:I'm just an ass, I'm just like whoa, like you know you're not good enough, I'm gonna do it, or maybe I don't know I'm.
Speaker 1:Perhaps I'm the worst, but uh but you write a lot of your own music.
Speaker 2:I do, I do, yeah, I love, I love writing music a lot. It's um, yeah, it's just really fun. It's really it's really weird experience and I just really enjoy it. I think it's just so cool something about is that?
Speaker 1:where do your? Where does your music come from, like where does your writing come from? Is? It uh is it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, I mean, I think the my, maybe my secret formula is like something, it's gotta be something that I like can talk about, so usually like an experience or like you know, I don't write a lot about topics because it's kind of like I don't know different, I guess.
Speaker 2:So usually I'll, I'll take like kind of a more first person approach to music and then, uh, I try to really like dramatize it and like add a lot of, you know, exaggeration and extra stuff, make it really crazy and stuff like that, because I think that the um, especially in like really heavy, like dramatic music, like the subject matter needs to be equally as dramatic and and crazy, you know, like it kind of it's all like part of it. So I'll take something you know that's like a little crazy and then try to like blow it up to kind of match the energy of the song. I think, um, but uh, I don't know, I kind of let it.
Speaker 2:I let it take me on a rabbit hole journey to whatever like sometimes I might start writing about one thing and then over the course of the song it changes, but I kind of I think the goal is I like to look back at especially like lyrics and and sort of like learn something almost like it's like if you kind of get those thoughts out on paper, you can like read them back and be like oh okay, it's actually like this instead of like that, maybe, or I don't know, like you can kind of yeah, like I don't know, I can put myself into like surprise myself maybe is the best way to put it and like that's when I know that it's like good enough. I think if I can be like oh, wow, like it kind of you know, like something new will be created out of it, like you take all this, all these components, put them together and then like naturally on their own, you'll get this new thing. And that's that's kind of the trick, and I, I think at least yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1:Do you have any favorite song lyrics like a lyric to a song that you absolutely love? Just for whatever reason, you just can't get rid of these lyrics there.
Speaker 2:Just oh my god, that's such a good question. Uh yeah, I, oh my god, I mean probably so many, but I've never really thought of that um.
Speaker 1:I feel like with lyrics sometimes it's like a certain time in your life like it's just maybe something that you needed to hear and you just like you hear it over and over and over again for maybe to set space that you're in, and then that lyric or that song helps you kind of through that whatever you're kind of going through, and then you kind of move on right, You're like, oh yeah, it's so good, but at that time that presence, it's like you can't stop hearing that part and like for one, like years and years ago I used to love blind melon. Like love blind melon, oh nice.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:But, like I love change the song change and there is some lyric part in that song that still to this day it just resonates with me so deeply and I'm always curious like why? Why does this resonate with me? Why do like, why don't other people see it the way I see it and sing that part of the song the way I want to sing it? Do you have like a lyric like that for yourself?
Speaker 2:I think there's one lyric I can think of and I think the song, I think it's on the playlist but it's in. It's a demon hunter song called helpless hope. I think it's on the playlist and they have this one part of the song where it's like like have faith in the wholeness of the whole itself, which is kind of interesting to talking about, like the you know in in you know kind of like trauma or whatever, like the emptiness or like in like a kind of like more, which you call like dissociative kind of like you know, negative kind of context anyway, like the whole, like the missing piece.
Speaker 2:It's like there's there's something to be found in the missing piece of things, like you know, like within, like loss, there's like another, like there's like more layers to it even though there's like nothing. Like it's like the idea of like emptiness is like there's much more going on there and there's like way more to unpack and to dive into. Like it's not like the the, the end of anything. Like it's like.
Speaker 1:I love that, though. I think, as a songwriter, I think it's very powerful that you can have somebody come up to you or whatever it is, and you're you know, to hear somebody say your lyrics, you know, change this or inspired me to do this. It's, it's absolutely mind blowing because, for and I don't know, because I'm not a writer, but I would think if I was a writer and I wrote something, that's generally for me, it's my experience, it's how I'm feeling, it's my emotion.
Speaker 2:And your interpretation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then for somebody else to be like even you know close to how you're feeling, I think that's really cool. This shows that we are all connected in some ways and that music really does connect like on a deeper level.
Speaker 2:It's so true, and that's that's another thing with lyrics to like, there's like a really perfect amount of like, vagueness to it that, like any like people, anybody can find like something that you know speaks to them in it If it's too specific.
Speaker 1:You know I'll be like okay, maybe that's not me, but you got like I like big butts, like it's a little bit different, right. Like not all of us have big butts, right? So you're speaking to a few people right, that's right.
Speaker 2:You know it's not. You know it could have been more vague.
Speaker 1:Real, real on the nose. I love it All right. Next song Finally, neath Amir.
Speaker 2:There we go, some some opeth in there Got to have opeth or they're like one of my favorite bands. This kind of ties into the Prague topic earlier. I think that when I got older like opeth was like one of the ultimate bands because I discovered them there. If those who don't know like the pretty heavy, like death metal kind of like first half of their catalog and then they kind of get like weird and probably now they're just a prog rock band. But like when I first discovered opeth they were like heavy death metal and I was in high school and it was like fit the bill. But then like they're also like prog. So it kind of is like a flip back to kind of growing up in a lot of that kind of music.
Speaker 2:And yeah, that song Beneath the Meyers from their album Ghost Revries, which is like Slap's probably their best album and it's yeah, it's just it's super heavy, super prog. Like it's got that weird time signaturey organ kind of it's just so weird. But then there's like also the like the death metal gravels come in and there's also singing. It's really got everything in one song. So if you're a completely insane person like I am, you'll really enjoy that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, favorite band I love everything they've done.
Speaker 2:They're so great. Their frontman, michael Ackerfelt, is hilarious. He's just got this dry sense of humor live, which I love, and I take inspiration from that a little bit. It's, they're just. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. What could I say about opeth Favorite band. Insert all the you know, favorite band statement here.
Speaker 1:What would your friends describe? You, Lynn?
Speaker 2:How my friends describe me. Oh, so dear, oh dear. I don't even know. I'm a, I've a lot, maybe, and it depends on the friend. I think I'm known to be kind of wild in certain circumstances. I would say maybe I don't think they'd describe me this way, but what's, what's been observed, is that I can be, I'll be really like kind of calm and chill, or like I am right now, and then once the the energy picks up, then I'll, I'll move with the energy and then get kind of crazier and do something wild and maybe, like you know, piss someone off and cause a whole situation. But it's always good, it's always in fun, it's like with love and stuff. So I know, I think I'm a, I'm quite a quite a character, I guess, I don't know, I couldn't describe myself.
Speaker 2:That's like, that's insane, I think.
Speaker 1:I think mostly if you ask any of my friends they go.
Speaker 2:oh, Glenn, like total moron, like total Lani, and dad don't even bother with him, that would be their answer.
Speaker 1:Go talk to that guy. He's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Exactly. Do you have any?
Speaker 1:pet peeves, things that drive you absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2:Pet peeves since driving crazy, I, I, I, I detest filth. Cluttered fine, but filth is makes me insane, like things that are just like dirty and like gross yeah, like a dirty sink. Like dishes in a sink yeah, I mean dishes in a sink like you can keep it in a sink and it's like okay, cool, but like you know, just like a countertop, that's like God, like it hasn't been cleaned in a long time, I'm just like I don't want to like put my phone on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you go to someone's house and the couch is like covered in cat hair and that floor is dirty, that kind of stuff that I don't. I wouldn't like say anything Cause I'm not rude, but that drives me nuts Even. Yeah, like I just got over a cold and like my house, I hadn't cleaned it in like days and I was like going insane, like literally, literally, literally. Before coming on here, I was like cleaning in my kitchen trying to at least get the counter. It's like terrible, like I'm going to we'll, we'll finish the show and I'm going to walk out and I like have a side relief. But yeah.
Speaker 2:I clutter is fine, like I love. Like a pile of junk, no problem. But if it's a pile of dirty junk, a huge problem. So it's me, I've got all the driving nuts and then, like, living in the tour bus is like another one, like a lot of clutter, but like no, no, no filth, no dirt, no grossness Like that's one thing we're really good at.
Speaker 2:There's always junk everywhere, especially like water bottles is one of the worst things for us on tour, for some reason. Yeah, cause they they fill up the garbage so fast and they just start everywhere. But they're clean, so it's not a big deal. But if it was gross I would go nuts. Or like the coffee cup that's still got like an inch of coffee left in it that no one's drinking and you think it's empty but it's not actually. And then like coffee spills. That's that's my biggest pet peeve, probably.
Speaker 1:I do not like filth. I feel like I grew up in filth and I cannot handle it at all. Like at all. Yeah, I do not like a messy house. I do not have a lot of knickknacks right, so I'm not like having to keep everything I like to like purge every three months. This is like passed on to my children, who are like 28 and 25. Now they're big purgers too, so I'm like super great.
Speaker 2:I have my my box trick on my desk. If my desk is like too cluttered, I does anything that I need right now. I move aside and everything else I just like, in one fell swoop, all go into the box. Then I'm like put the box away and then, as the you know, slowly like, oh, where's that thing. Oh, it's probably in the box and I go there. I think now I've got three boxes of stuff and, like I don't know, I'd send them. I don't. Clearly I don't need it.
Speaker 1:So that's right, all right.
Speaker 2:Do it.
Speaker 1:Not ready to die.
Speaker 2:So I'm avenged there. It is Love that song. That's like probably my favorite avenged song. I just love it. I love the modal kind of spooky aesthetic that has kind of gone on and like the, the way they do the scales like. It's like kind of like major and minor at the same time, which is like kind of the like the scary formula and something that like we do a lot in Two Shadows. I really like avenged a lot of the Rook, one of my favorite bands, so I had to throw something in there and I know that's a fun one. I just I love.
Speaker 1:I really like those arpeggios too, like that riff being like ding ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding ding just that arpeggio stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm a total sucker for that, like that's. So the guitar solo and scream works One of the Two Shadows songs. I remember like working on that and I was like, oh, I'm telling you it's a diminished arpeggio. You just go down, you go back it's the solidest when you do it. Then you just move it down like a step, you know, and then keep on going and like that.
Speaker 1:I just love that stuff.
Speaker 2:Funny thing about that song too when I was doing the playlist I hadn't listened to that Not Ready to Die by Venge Simfold in a long time. And then I had a little bit of time on my hands and I was like man, like I used to play so much guitar and I never played guitar. So I went and I learned that song on guitar and it was fun, just ripping some arpeggios and some easy kind of Pantera chugging stuff. It's a really really fun song to play, really big finger stretches and, I think, the largest hands in the world. So that was it's fun, but it's a great tune. Love that song, love that band. I love it.
Speaker 1:What about? What do you guys got kind of going on over the next six months? You going on tour, you got any new singles coming out. You want to do some promotion stuff.
Speaker 2:I mean we well, we just put out Mad God song I bet you that's like next on the list or something. I know it's on there. But yeah, we just did that, did a bunch of press for it, and now we're we're working on just kind of more stuff. Like 2024, I think, is we're trying to make it into a big year for Two Shadows. So we want to put out more music, we want to go on tour. We're still figuring all that out and we have some, some label help this time, which is cool.
Speaker 2:So they've they've taken a lot of the workload and they're gonna. They're gonna let us know what the, what the status is. Are we doing an album? Are we gonna tour for four months? I don't know. If I did know, I would tell you right now, but I don't know yet that we're. We're working on it. But yeah, we want to do, we want to release a bunch of music and we want to play up like more shows than we ever have ever all this year. So that's, that's the, that's the intention, that's the hope. I hope it happens, but it's all it's all about.
Speaker 1:How can we find you? Obviously, you know you, you know, you know iTunes and Spotify, but you guys have a website that we, you know the fans can get out.
Speaker 2:Yes, we, uh, you know the standard Facebook Instagram Two Shadows official, yada, yada, tiktok, the big one for us. We have our website, which is TwoShadowsOfficialcom. If you go there, you can see all of our merch and buy some shirts and whatever stuff. It's cool. We just got some hats going on, a bunch of knickknacks. We got some baby clothes that was a new addition. Yeah, yeah, for all the the young ins, the young whippers out there, we got little little baby outfits now. So that's, I love it for your golf babies. And then, uh, patreon is our new one. We got Patreon going on. That's where we put our behind the scenes and extra stuff of us just being really just silly and unhinged.
Speaker 2:That's you know wouldn't go normally on the regular platforms all the long-winded extra contents on the Patreon and we do live streams there and stuff. It's pretty fun, um. So yeah, that's where we're at.
Speaker 1:It's awesome okay, we're on your last song, so I'm just gonna pick it. I feel like this might be a good one to end with. Oh, whoa, so growing up, peter Gabriel.
Speaker 2:Peter Gabriel had to, uh, had to, throw in the nostalgia piece. Uh, I remember on that album came out. My dad played it like a lot. He's a huge Peter Gabriel fan, I think. Probably Peter Gabriel is his number one artist, I think. But yeah, I heard that on loop as a kid and I just, I just love that song. Um, and it's, yeah, it's got a lot of the characteristics with a lot of the other songs. Funny enough, even though it's Peter Gabriel, it's very dark, very moody. You know he's singing about ghosts in it and that really struck me when I was younger and now it's kind of like it's aged. Really well, I think that song is aged really great. Um, it's, yeah, it's a super cool tune and yeah, it reminds me of my folks and growing up on the island and all that stuff. So it's a fun, fun jam, fun little little personal tidbit. I think musically I don't really pull from that a ton, but it's, uh, it's the ultimate nostalgia song for me.
Speaker 1:I love that and what a great way to end the show right. Just like family music, friends fun. Thank you so much, glenn, for joining us today on music junkies so much fun. Can't wait to. Actually it would be great to have both of you come and like finish the playlist too. Yeah, yeah, that would be a lot of fun too. Maybe we can do that in three, four months. You know, you guys can release some more songs as well, so we can kind of jump on and do that, yeah, yeah, that'd be cool.
Speaker 2:I'm sure we'll be doing more, uh, more press and stuff we could. It be fun to slot this thing. Do a round, two good press in here before I let you go, I'd love for you to leave us some words of wisdom, if you could oh okay, um, oh yeah, I, I this is, this is a good question, because I messed it up before, because I was like, oh, words of wisdom, like I'm not very wise, I can't think of anything, but.
Speaker 1:I heard.
Speaker 2:I heard one one good word of wisdom. Uh, I don't know who said it, but I thought it was wise. So, um, I'm just stealing it and it's uh, in, in in music or in your dreams, or whatever it is uh, the only way that you can uh fail is if you give up. That is, that is the word of wisdom. You, you can keep trying at stuff. Uh, the only way you can fail is if you give up. That's it. Um, that's something that I kind of like said to myself a lot when I was doing music, because it's definitely not all fun and and, uh, you know, playing the big crowds and you know people singing your lyrics back. In fact, that's comes very far down after all of the trials are done. That's kind of what you get at the end.
Speaker 2:But along the way it's. The only way to fail is if you give up. So don't give up, keep going. And uh, that's, that's, that's my, those are my words of wisdom. It's not even anything other than that. It's just actual fact.
Speaker 1:I love it. That's great words of wisdom.
Speaker 2:I love that thanks again.
Speaker 1:Glenn, like, follow us, subscribe to two shadows, go down there with all their music. I'll give you all of their stuff for you can go, stalk them and we can go from there. It's awesome amazing.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much and okay, have a great night yay, you as well. Thanks so much. See you later.