{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":35.46,"endTime":40.86,"body":"[MCM] Welcome back. Last episode we talked with "},{"startTime":35.46,"endTime":40.86,"body":"Dr. Kate Jones to explore how we define and  "},{"startTime":40.86,"endTime":47.46,"body":"assign value to faculty contribution. Today we "},{"startTime":40.86,"endTime":47.46,"body":"return to revisit faculty value and discuss  "},{"startTime":47.46,"endTime":54.48,"body":"more about opportunities to expand redefine and "},{"startTime":47.46,"endTime":54.48,"body":"articulate faculty value. Thank you for joining us."},{"startTime":56.64,"endTime":61.8,"body":"I go back to what you were saying Kate "},{"startTime":56.64,"endTime":61.8,"body":"about when you have you know scholarship and  "},{"startTime":61.8,"endTime":68.28,"body":"teaching and research or service do they have to "},{"startTime":61.8,"endTime":68.28,"body":"be equal and what percentage is assigned to each  "},{"startTime":68.28,"endTime":75.12,"body":"of those and what does that look like for a...and I "},{"startTime":68.28,"endTime":75.12,"body":"want to also make a transition to a little bit to  "},{"startTime":75.12,"endTime":82.02,"body":"a novice educator you know a kind of mid-career "},{"startTime":75.12,"endTime":82.02,"body":"I don't know if there's a word for that and then  "},{"startTime":82.02,"endTime":88.5,"body":"a really an educator that's in more having "},{"startTime":82.02,"endTime":88.5,"body":"a dual role role in leadership and education.  "},{"startTime":89.64,"endTime":93.78,"body":"What does that look like? It's like "},{"startTime":89.64,"endTime":93.78,"body":"a stair step or a ladder? I don't know."},{"startTime":97.32,"endTime":102.06,"body":"[RO] So Michelle I really like the reframe that "},{"startTime":97.32,"endTime":102.06,"body":"I heard here I could like hear the reframe  "},{"startTime":102.06,"endTime":106.74,"body":"going on as you were talking because it made "},{"startTime":102.06,"endTime":106.74,"body":"me think about how we often throw around words  "},{"startTime":106.74,"endTime":111.42,"body":"like junior faculty right and this is a whole "},{"startTime":106.74,"endTime":111.42,"body":"other conversation for another time and the  "},{"startTime":111.42,"endTime":116.88,"body":"connotation and the value that is placed on the "},{"startTime":111.42,"endTime":116.88,"body":"words of junior faculty versus early career or  "},{"startTime":116.88,"endTime":124.14,"body":"junior researcher versus early career researcher "},{"startTime":116.88,"endTime":124.14,"body":"um okay I think that opens up a whole other  "},{"startTime":125.46,"endTime":132.96,"body":"realm of the labels we put the credentials we "},{"startTime":125.46,"endTime":132.96,"body":"add the titles that are on things that also  "},{"startTime":132.96,"endTime":136.009,"body":"can have positive and negative connotations of "},{"startTime":132.96,"endTime":136.009,"body":"value."},{"startTime":136.009,"endTime":143.009,"body":"[MCM] Well, when I hear the word junior faculty, I'm like, oh I'm on the JV team. I didn't "},{"startTime":136.009,"endTime":143.009,"body":"make varsity. That's what I think."},{"startTime":143.009,"endTime":145.56,"body":"[RO] Right, well."},{"startTime":147.66,"endTime":152.4,"body":"[KJ] Yeah it's a it's a really interesting. There's "},{"startTime":147.66,"endTime":152.4,"body":"a lot of interesting language that's used in  "},{"startTime":152.4,"endTime":159.12,"body":"academia and again you know five and a half "},{"startTime":152.4,"endTime":159.12,"body":"years in to academia myself I'm still learning  "},{"startTime":159.12,"endTime":168.06,"body":"it and it's quite different from what  "},{"startTime":159.12,"endTime":168.06,"body":"language is used in other settings and so when  "},{"startTime":168.06,"endTime":174.54,"body":"I started talk about novice to expert you know "},{"startTime":168.06,"endTime":174.54,"body":"I had been an expert at what I was doing before  "},{"startTime":174.54,"endTime":182.34,"body":"and suddenly I was a novice and so as we hired "},{"startTime":174.54,"endTime":182.34,"body":"new faculty and in some cases higher faculty  "},{"startTime":182.34,"endTime":189.72,"body":"who are coming from practice rather than from "},{"startTime":182.34,"endTime":189.72,"body":"another academic setting um I there's work that  "},{"startTime":189.72,"endTime":197.82,"body":"needs to be done to help those individuals make "},{"startTime":189.72,"endTime":197.82,"body":"that transition effectively and learn what's  "},{"startTime":197.82,"endTime":203.94,"body":"valued and you know all of those pieces because "},{"startTime":197.82,"endTime":203.94,"body":"nobody wants to feel like a novice for very long."},{"startTime":206.04,"endTime":213.78,"body":"[MCM] I think back to how much it would have really "},{"startTime":206.04,"endTime":213.78,"body":"helped listening to you Kate when I was a coming  "},{"startTime":213.78,"endTime":220.98,"body":"into education as a novice teacher it would have "},{"startTime":213.78,"endTime":220.98,"body":"been really helpful if somebody had said to me  "},{"startTime":220.98,"endTime":230.4,"body":"your job is to teach these two courses really "},{"startTime":220.98,"endTime":230.4,"body":"really well like over the next year two to  "},{"startTime":230.4,"endTime":236.7,"body":"three semesters we want you just to dig in and "},{"startTime":230.4,"endTime":236.7,"body":"just do these two things really really well  "},{"startTime":237.42,"endTime":244.5,"body":"and maybe sit in on this one committee as a "},{"startTime":237.42,"endTime":244.5,"body":"member or as a even just maybe auditing right  "},{"startTime":244.5,"endTime":250.74,"body":"just audit this committee just listen right and "},{"startTime":244.5,"endTime":250.74,"body":"learn you don't have to really have any additional  "},{"startTime":250.74,"endTime":254.34,"body":"responsibilities because you're going to do "},{"startTime":250.74,"endTime":254.34,"body":"these two things or these three things really  "},{"startTime":254.34,"endTime":259.92,"body":"really well that's just really what it helped I "},{"startTime":254.34,"endTime":259.92,"body":"I think I got very quickly overwhelmed with the  "},{"startTime":259.92,"endTime":266.58,"body":"the responsibilities of academia learning them all "},{"startTime":259.92,"endTime":266.58,"body":"these different hats we have to wear learning them  "},{"startTime":266.58,"endTime":273.36,"body":"navigating them doing them was very overwhelming "},{"startTime":266.58,"endTime":273.36,"body":"when I was new because in my even though I didn't  "},{"startTime":273.36,"endTime":280.32,"body":"go right from practice I did take a master's um "},{"startTime":273.36,"endTime":280.32,"body":"program in leadership and educational courses I  "},{"startTime":280.32,"endTime":287.1,"body":"still wasn't taught some of this real nuts and "},{"startTime":280.32,"endTime":287.1,"body":"bolts skills of teaching I had to learn that  "},{"startTime":287.1,"endTime":290.922,"body":"on the on the ground just like we do with our "},{"startTime":287.1,"endTime":290.922,"body":"nurses you know."},{"startTime":290.922,"endTime":301.56,"body":"[KJ] I think the interesting thing you just said is \"I want you to teach this "},{"startTime":290.922,"endTime":301.56,"body":"class really, really well.\" You know we get assigned  "},{"startTime":301.56,"endTime":307.56,"body":"classes you know here's your teaching assignments "},{"startTime":301.56,"endTime":307.56,"body":"there's very little conversation about how well  "},{"startTime":307.56,"endTime":313.5,"body":"you should teach the class until the end when "},{"startTime":307.56,"endTime":313.5,"body":"you get your evaluations and then it's like oh  "},{"startTime":315.48,"endTime":321.9,"body":"um maybe you didn't teach it well enough so "},{"startTime":315.48,"endTime":321.9,"body":"it would be great if that messaging was on  "},{"startTime":321.9,"endTime":329.94,"body":"the front end for for faculty whose primary role "},{"startTime":321.9,"endTime":329.94,"body":"is teaching we want you to teach not only do the  "},{"startTime":329.94,"endTime":336.96,"body":"job but do it really really well now if that's "},{"startTime":329.94,"endTime":336.96,"body":"being said though that implies that there's time  "},{"startTime":336.96,"endTime":347.1,"body":"and energy and effort devoted to that really "},{"startTime":336.96,"endTime":347.1,"body":"excellent level of teaching and so you know  "},{"startTime":347.1,"endTime":352.8,"body":"bringing it back to that value question okay I "},{"startTime":347.1,"endTime":352.8,"body":"can do that I can teach it really, really well  "},{"startTime":352.8,"endTime":360.6,"body":"it's going to take me this amount of time and that "},{"startTime":352.8,"endTime":360.6,"body":"might mean that this other thing over here doesn't  "},{"startTime":360.6,"endTime":364.417,"body":"get as much of my attention."},{"startTime":364.417,"endTime":375.36,"body":"[MCM] Well you know I'll "},{"startTime":364.417,"endTime":375.36,"body":"never forget ever ever forget when I got my first course evaluation after being a teacher for "},{"startTime":375.36,"endTime":381.3,"body":"I say poor my Dean I think she meant well because "},{"startTime":375.36,"endTime":381.3,"body":"I really adored her I respected her very much  "},{"startTime":381.3,"endTime":390.78,"body":"but I she said so your evaluations you essentially "},{"startTime":381.3,"endTime":390.78,"body":"like got a C, like you like as a grade, right. Like  "},{"startTime":390.78,"endTime":394.98,"body":"if you look at like your grade point average, you're like a C teacher and I was like so,  "},{"startTime":394.98,"endTime":400.86,"body":"not only am I on the JV team but I'm also I "},{"startTime":394.98,"endTime":400.86,"body":"got a C and I you know tend to be a bit of  "},{"startTime":401.52,"endTime":407.16,"body":"I always tease a recovering perfectionist so "},{"startTime":401.52,"endTime":407.16,"body":"I'm used to being an A. I want to be an A teacher  "},{"startTime":407.16,"endTime":414.06,"body":"and I worked hard to like I felt like the work "},{"startTime":407.16,"endTime":414.06,"body":"I was putting in was A but it wasn't you know  "},{"startTime":414.06,"endTime":422.04,"body":"and I needed a lot more support on like you said "},{"startTime":414.06,"endTime":422.04,"body":"what does teaching well look like? And I had to  "},{"startTime":422.04,"endTime":428.88,"body":"figure that out over many semesters going forward "},{"startTime":422.04,"endTime":428.88,"body":"that wasn't easy work to figure out it was how  "},{"startTime":428.88,"endTime":438.66,"body":"to get a lot of feedback that was hard to process "},{"startTime":428.88,"endTime":438.66,"body":"and I needed to lean on a lot of mentorship in  "},{"startTime":438.66,"endTime":444.72,"body":"those early years and it took years. It's not like "},{"startTime":438.66,"endTime":444.72,"body":"a semester thing, it's not like 15 weeks. It's years  "},{"startTime":444.72,"endTime":452.28,"body":"of growing into that role right for me. I might "},{"startTime":444.72,"endTime":452.28,"body":"be, yeah, I might need to stay on JV for a while."},{"startTime":454.92,"endTime":461.58,"body":"[RO] You know, I'm thinking up to this point a big "},{"startTime":454.92,"endTime":461.58,"body":"focus has been us talking about articulating and  "},{"startTime":461.58,"endTime":470.22,"body":"capturing the value that the individual or the "},{"startTime":461.58,"endTime":470.22,"body":"educator the nurse professional right wherever  "},{"startTime":470.22,"endTime":474.72,"body":"they may be is bringing to the institution. I "},{"startTime":470.22,"endTime":474.72,"body":"I would like us to flip that coin for a second  "},{"startTime":474.72,"endTime":481.56,"body":"on the other side of that coin is the value that "},{"startTime":474.72,"endTime":481.56,"body":"the institution can create for the employee, right,  "},{"startTime":481.56,"endTime":487.86,"body":"and within the context of academia the school or "},{"startTime":481.56,"endTime":487.86,"body":"college of nursing, can create for the faculty  "},{"startTime":487.86,"endTime":493.02,"body":"member. And I think this is incredibly important "},{"startTime":487.86,"endTime":493.02,"body":"because we're facing a time where we have a high  "},{"startTime":493.02,"endTime":497.58,"body":"attrition out of academia we know we are facing "},{"startTime":493.02,"endTime":497.58,"body":"a faculty shortage and we're going to continue to  "},{"startTime":497.58,"endTime":505.08,"body":"face a worsening faculty shortage. And so Kate I'm "},{"startTime":497.58,"endTime":505.08,"body":"curious to hear your thoughts about how academic  "},{"startTime":505.08,"endTime":513.54,"body":"institutions can increase value that really plays "},{"startTime":505.08,"endTime":513.54,"body":"a role in recruiting and retaining high performing  "},{"startTime":513.54,"endTime":517.235,"body":"faculty that do their jobs well and are committed "},{"startTime":513.54,"endTime":517.235,"body":"to doing their jobs well."},{"startTime":517.235,"endTime":525.9,"body":"[KJ] Yeah, ironically, I don't think that there's that much difference between "},{"startTime":517.235,"endTime":525.9,"body":"what you have to do for recruiting and retaining  "},{"startTime":525.9,"endTime":533.16,"body":"faculty than there is for other roles...it's "},{"startTime":525.9,"endTime":533.16,"body":"about that connection to the workplace and to the,  "},{"startTime":534.0,"endTime":538.44,"body":"you know, the mission, vision and values is "},{"startTime":534.0,"endTime":538.44,"body":"that something I can go to work every day and  "},{"startTime":538.44,"endTime":547.98,"body":"feel good about, right. So I think first I would "},{"startTime":538.44,"endTime":547.98,"body":"say know me, know what I need know, what I want  "},{"startTime":547.98,"endTime":555.96,"body":"know, what's important to me as an employee, as an "},{"startTime":547.98,"endTime":555.96,"body":"educator. You know, I don't want to be seen just as  "},{"startTime":555.96,"endTime":564.12,"body":"one of the crowd. I want somebody and hopefully "},{"startTime":555.96,"endTime":564.12,"body":"it's the person that I report to or work with  "},{"startTime":564.12,"endTime":570.9,"body":"closely to know me well as an individual "},{"startTime":564.12,"endTime":570.9,"body":"and I don't mean you know personally, we have  "},{"startTime":570.9,"endTime":578.16,"body":"to go out and be best friends, but I mean know "},{"startTime":570.9,"endTime":578.16,"body":"my professional value and what I bring as  "},{"startTime":578.16,"endTime":583.26,"body":"an individual. I think that's really important. "},{"startTime":578.16,"endTime":583.26,"body":"I think providing development opportunities  "},{"startTime":583.26,"endTime":589.8,"body":"is huge and we talked about that already kind "},{"startTime":583.26,"endTime":589.8,"body":"of helping people move from novice to expert  "},{"startTime":589.8,"endTime":597.12,"body":"or wherever they may be in in their trajectory, "},{"startTime":589.8,"endTime":597.12,"body":"you know getting them off the JV and onto the  "},{"startTime":597.12,"endTime":606.06,"body":"and you know, onto the upper division team."},{"startTime":597.12,"endTime":606.06,"body":"I think one thing we can do is whenever possible  "},{"startTime":607.08,"endTime":613.32,"body":"have me teaching courses that I'm passionate "},{"startTime":607.08,"endTime":613.32,"body":"about. I promise you that that those will be  "},{"startTime":613.32,"endTime":618.48,"body":"the ones that I'm teaching really, really well. "},{"startTime":613.32,"endTime":618.48,"body":"Now, I understand that as an employee, sometimes  "},{"startTime":618.48,"endTime":624.66,"body":"I have to do something that isn't the thing "},{"startTime":618.48,"endTime":624.66,"body":"that I'm most passionate about and if  "},{"startTime":624.66,"endTime":636.0,"body":"we are having a good working relationship where I "},{"startTime":624.66,"endTime":636.0,"body":"feel valued and you are, I see the person who  "},{"startTime":636.0,"endTime":644.28,"body":"does the assignments as someone who cares about "},{"startTime":636.0,"endTime":644.28,"body":"my work experience, then I'm willing to do what's  "},{"startTime":644.28,"endTime":652.14,"body":"needed to help the bigger picture, right, but I "},{"startTime":644.28,"endTime":652.14,"body":"also want to have those opportunities to teach  "},{"startTime":652.14,"endTime":658.5,"body":"what I'm passionate about and so I think "},{"startTime":652.14,"endTime":658.5,"body":"if there's a way, you know, I don't know in the  "},{"startTime":658.5,"endTime":663.36,"body":"recruiting process people often ask what they're "},{"startTime":658.5,"endTime":663.36,"body":"going to be teaching and  you know we sometimes  "},{"startTime":663.36,"endTime":671.7,"body":"say, whatever we need you to teach, you know, we'll "},{"startTime":663.36,"endTime":671.7,"body":"try to put you in the courses that you prefer, uh  "},{"startTime":671.7,"endTime":678.3,"body":"I think that one's that one's an interesting "},{"startTime":671.7,"endTime":678.3,"body":"one. I think another thing we can do is help  "},{"startTime":679.14,"endTime":686.58,"body":"faculty especially teaching faculty but maybe all "},{"startTime":679.14,"endTime":686.58,"body":"faculty expand their professional network. We can  "},{"startTime":686.58,"endTime":696.24,"body":"get really siled in our you know our department "},{"startTime":686.58,"endTime":696.24,"body":"within our college, within our university but  "},{"startTime":697.02,"endTime":705.78,"body":"networks create opportunities and so, you know, and "},{"startTime":697.02,"endTime":705.78,"body":"leaders have networks and so the more that  "},{"startTime":705.78,"endTime":714.0,"body":"you can pull people into networks and have them "},{"startTime":705.78,"endTime":714.0,"body":"start creating a network of their own, the richer  "},{"startTime":714.0,"endTime":721.2,"body":"their professional life is going to be so if you "},{"startTime":714.0,"endTime":721.2,"body":"know I'm interviewing a school at a school and  "},{"startTime":721.2,"endTime":727.62,"body":"I find out that it's there's a dean there who's "},{"startTime":721.2,"endTime":727.62,"body":"really good at doing that that would be appealing  "},{"startTime":727.62,"endTime":736.08,"body":"to me, I would find that something that I "},{"startTime":727.62,"endTime":736.08,"body":"would be drawn to. I think meeting one on one  "},{"startTime":737.16,"endTime":746.16,"body":"is an example of demonstrating how you "},{"startTime":737.16,"endTime":746.16,"body":"care about this person's contribution to the  "},{"startTime":746.16,"endTime":751.92,"body":"organization and again I know as you know a "},{"startTime":746.16,"endTime":751.92,"body":"leader myself the time it takes to do that  "},{"startTime":751.92,"endTime":761.1,"body":"is is significant, but boy I think talk about ROI."},{"startTime":751.92,"endTime":761.1,"body":"You get a pretty big ROI from that time investment . "},{"startTime":761.76,"endTime":769.74,"body":"And then the only other one I can think of really "},{"startTime":761.76,"endTime":769.74,"body":"is about developing a healthy work environment a  "},{"startTime":769.74,"endTime":778.86,"body":"culture where teaching and research are equally "},{"startTime":769.74,"endTime":778.86,"body":"valued and so calling out when things  "},{"startTime":778.86,"endTime":787.56,"body":"are said that make one seem less than the other "},{"startTime":778.86,"endTime":787.56,"body":"or making a special effort to elevate teaching  "},{"startTime":787.56,"endTime":793.92,"body":"when it's important and so I think there's "},{"startTime":787.56,"endTime":793.92,"body":"you know a lot of things that that can be done.  "},{"startTime":794.76,"endTime":802.2,"body":"We're all humans and and it's hard sometimes "},{"startTime":794.76,"endTime":802.2,"body":"to do all those things on a daily basis, but to  "},{"startTime":802.2,"endTime":806.34,"body":"me a leader's primary responsibility "},{"startTime":802.2,"endTime":806.34,"body":"is creating a healthy work environment.  "},{"startTime":807.06,"endTime":814.26,"body":"So that's a question I would ask if "},{"startTime":807.06,"endTime":814.26,"body":"being interviewed, you know, tell me about  "},{"startTime":814.26,"endTime":819.48,"body":"the work environment and if nobody says the word "},{"startTime":814.26,"endTime":819.48,"body":"healthy then I'm gonna be a little bit worried.  "},{"startTime":821.16,"endTime":825.24,"body":"[RO] You bring up a lot of really important points "},{"startTime":821.16,"endTime":825.24,"body":"and two things that are really resonating for  "},{"startTime":825.24,"endTime":830.64,"body":"me that I hear in that is making sure that "},{"startTime":825.24,"endTime":830.64,"body":"employees are seen and that they have a voice. "},{"startTime":830.64,"endTime":836.4,"body":"And especially when we think about a voice "},{"startTime":830.64,"endTime":836.4,"body":"that takes my mind to shared governance and  "},{"startTime":836.4,"endTime":841.56,"body":"how we have many colleagues across the country "},{"startTime":836.4,"endTime":841.56,"body":"that are still working at institutions where  "},{"startTime":841.56,"endTime":847.32,"body":"or they're working at institutions where the "},{"startTime":841.56,"endTime":847.32,"body":"institution is still not giving voting rights  "},{"startTime":847.32,"endTime":853.32,"body":"to faculty who are not tenured correct, who may "},{"startTime":847.32,"endTime":853.32,"body":"be on a professional or a clinical track and so  "},{"startTime":853.32,"endTime":858.96,"body":"I think that is a great example of opportunities "},{"startTime":853.32,"endTime":858.96,"body":"to work through shared governance to give voice to.  "},{"startTime":860.28,"endTime":865.38,"body":"And you also mentioned these one-on-one "},{"startTime":860.28,"endTime":865.38,"body":"meetings of being seen, you know, and  "},{"startTime":865.38,"endTime":869.4,"body":"talking with faculty I hear a lot from "},{"startTime":865.38,"endTime":869.4,"body":"you know, Michelle and I do some work  "},{"startTime":869.4,"endTime":873.78,"body":"across the where we get, we're very privileged "},{"startTime":869.4,"endTime":873.78,"body":"and lucky to meet folks from across the country  "},{"startTime":873.78,"endTime":878.7,"body":"and a resounding theme I often hear from "},{"startTime":873.78,"endTime":878.7,"body":"faculty sometimes is that they feel like  "},{"startTime":879.36,"endTime":884.7,"body":"everyone outside their institution can recognize "},{"startTime":879.36,"endTime":884.7,"body":"their contributions and their worth and people  "},{"startTime":884.7,"endTime":892.98,"body":"inside their institution cannot. And so your "},{"startTime":884.7,"endTime":892.98,"body":"words about strategies for helping faculty to  "},{"startTime":892.98,"endTime":899.7,"body":"be seen and understood and known and recognized "},{"startTime":892.98,"endTime":899.7,"body":"and appreciated I think are incredibly important"},{"startTime":901.74,"endTime":910.2,"body":"[KJ] And not...not just applied to teaching "},{"startTime":901.74,"endTime":910.2,"body":"or to being a faculty member. I mean,  "},{"startTime":910.8,"endTime":916.56,"body":"those are the important things that all "},{"startTime":910.8,"endTime":916.56,"body":"individuals in a workplace really would  "},{"startTime":916.56,"endTime":923.28,"body":"benefit from and can benefit from so, but "},{"startTime":916.56,"endTime":923.28,"body":"while we're focusing on academia. I think as  "},{"startTime":923.28,"endTime":930.0,"body":"as a faculty member knowing that someone there "},{"startTime":923.28,"endTime":930.0,"body":"cares about whether I'm kind of moving through  "},{"startTime":930.0,"endTime":936.3,"body":"my professional path in a way that is not "},{"startTime":930.0,"endTime":936.3,"body":"only benefiting the organization but also  "},{"startTime":936.3,"endTime":941.58,"body":"is contributing to my personal growth and "},{"startTime":936.3,"endTime":941.58,"body":"professional growth that's really important.  "},{"startTime":943.2,"endTime":949.56,"body":"[MCM] And I'm thinking when those two things can happen "},{"startTime":943.2,"endTime":949.56,"body":"that alignment it's pretty like magical. I mean I  "},{"startTime":949.56,"endTime":956.7,"body":"think you would probably retain that person who "},{"startTime":949.56,"endTime":956.7,"body":"feels like their their contribution is really  "},{"startTime":956.7,"endTime":961.86,"body":"helping them grow and it's also serving "},{"startTime":956.7,"endTime":961.86,"body":"the bigger institution because I think  "},{"startTime":962.64,"endTime":970.32,"body":"it's human nature to want to belong to right "},{"startTime":962.64,"endTime":970.32,"body":"our family on a smaller level our communities  "},{"startTime":970.32,"endTime":975.42,"body":"our organizations of you know where we spend "},{"startTime":970.32,"endTime":975.42,"body":"a lot of our time working. We want to belong  "},{"startTime":975.42,"endTime":981.18,"body":"we want to contribute that's I think human "},{"startTime":975.42,"endTime":981.18,"body":"nature for the most part so."},{"startTime":981.18,"endTime":982.62,"body":"[KJ] I agree yeah."},{"startTime":983.46,"endTime":987.42,"body":"[KJ] Well thank you Kate I just want to thank "},{"startTime":983.46,"endTime":987.42,"body":"you so much for joining us for this  "},{"startTime":987.42,"endTime":993.36,"body":"really fantastic conversation and I want to "},{"startTime":987.42,"endTime":993.36,"body":"take a little bit of time right now to get to  "},{"startTime":993.36,"endTime":998.28,"body":"know you a little bit more for fun and we have "},{"startTime":993.36,"endTime":998.28,"body":"some rapid fire questions. Are you ready for that?  "},{"startTime":999.0,"endTime":1000.178,"body":"[KJ] Okay."},{"startTime":1000.178,"endTime":1006.44,"body":"[MCM] All right, all right. Thanks. If you were "},{"startTime":1000.178,"endTime":1006.44,"body":"to write a memoir, what would you title the book?"},{"startTime":1008.0,"endTime":1016.64,"body":"[KJ] Okay, so I am the third of seven "},{"startTime":1008.0,"endTime":1016.64,"body":"children so I think that I would  "},{"startTime":1016.64,"endTime":1021.12,"body":"it would be something like stories "},{"startTime":1016.64,"endTime":1021.12,"body":"from the third in line [Laughter]  "},{"startTime":1024.02,"endTime":1030.56,"body":"My parents did often like even coming "},{"startTime":1024.02,"endTime":1030.56,"body":"downstairs on Christmas morning,  "},{"startTime":1032.54,"endTime":1038.78,"body":"we were in order, although for that one I think "},{"startTime":1032.54,"endTime":1038.78,"body":"we were in reverse order so I was more towards  "},{"startTime":1038.78,"endTime":1041.968,"body":"the back of the line, but yeah stories "},{"startTime":1038.78,"endTime":1041.968,"body":"from the third in line."},{"startTime":1041.968,"endTime":1042.98,"body":"[RO] That's awesome."},{"startTime":1044.12,"endTime":1049.64,"body":"[MCM] I love that, I love that. What is on the "},{"startTime":1044.12,"endTime":1049.64,"body":"top of your reading list right now for fun?"},{"startTime":1051.74,"endTime":1057.62,"body":"[KJ] the book that I just started my sister just "},{"startTime":1051.74,"endTime":1057.62,"body":"sent it to me it's called Lessons in Chemistry  "},{"startTime":1057.62,"endTime":1064.82,"body":"and it's supposed to be a fabulous book. I haven't "},{"startTime":1057.62,"endTime":1064.82,"body":"gotten very far into it yet, but yeah that's what  "},{"startTime":1064.82,"endTime":1068.281,"body":"I'm reading for fun right now."},{"startTime":1068.281,"endTime":1075.74,"body":"[MCM] That's great it's "},{"startTime":1068.281,"endTime":1075.74,"body":"on my list too it's on my nightstand. I've got I have a bit of a pile but it's in there and "},{"startTime":1077.42,"endTime":1078.8,"body":"What is your favorite quote?"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1080.96,"endTime":1089.36,"body":"people will forget what you did, they'll forget  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1089.36,"endTime":1096.44,"body":"what you're you said, but they'll never forget "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1089.36,"endTime":1096.44,"body":"how you made them feel. And then I also have a  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1096.44,"endTime":1101.96,"body":"motto kind of I have a plaque in my office "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1096.44,"endTime":1101.96,"body":"that says this which is: Today I choose joy."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1109.1,"endTime":1112.46,"body":"[MCM] If you could have dinner with one "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1109.1,"endTime":1112.46,"body":"person dead or alive who would it be?"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1118.58,"endTime":1127.88,"body":"[KJ] So if you have been a person or who has had "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1118.58,"endTime":1127.88,"body":"a family member with dementia or alzheimer's,  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1127.88,"endTime":1135.08,"body":"any form of dementia, you know that you kind of "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1127.88,"endTime":1135.08,"body":"lose that person before they actually are gone.  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1135.62,"endTime":1145.58,"body":"So my dad died in 2013 but he had dementia for "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1135.62,"endTime":1145.58,"body":"several years before that so if I could have  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1145.58,"endTime":1154.7,"body":"dinner with him I would want to have dinner with "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1145.58,"endTime":1154.7,"body":"his pre-dementia self so that we could continue  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1154.7,"endTime":1163.94,"body":"some of the conversations that we had that kind "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1154.7,"endTime":1163.94,"body":"of got lost as things moved on and then you know  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1163.94,"endTime":1171.02,"body":"I don't want to end on that sad note so I my "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1163.94,"endTime":1171.02,"body":"other dinner would be with Hugh Jackman, just you  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1171.02,"endTime":1179.36,"body":"know, because I'm a theater fan and I've seen him "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1171.02,"endTime":1179.36,"body":"live twice. I think he's pretty amazing and yeah so  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1180.26,"endTime":1184.58,"body":"I'll have dinner with my dad first but then if "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1180.26,"endTime":1184.58,"body":"HughJackman's available I'm always willing to  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1184.58,"endTime":1188.472,"body":"have dinner with him."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1188.472,"endTime":1192.886,"body":"[MCM] That would be a packed night "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1188.472,"endTime":1192.886,"body":"that would be fantastic. Perfect."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1192.886,"endTime":1194.0,"body":"[KJ] How about you, who would you have dinner with?"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1194.0,"endTime":1198.12,"body":"[MCM] Oh who did we had...we "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1194.0,"endTime":1198.12,"body":"had a party didn't we Rachel when we asked?"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1198.12,"endTime":1208.189,"body":"[RO] Yeah we had like a dinner party um and I gotta tell you,"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1198.12,"endTime":1208.189,"body":"I think my answer now is totally different than the last time we did this together and asked"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1208.189,"endTime":1218.64,"body":"And I have been really just blown away by the conversations that happened between Brene Brown "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1208.189,"endTime":1218.64,"body":"and Simon Sinek and Adam Grant on their podcast."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1218.64,"endTime":1225.48,"body":"They all jumped on each other's podcasts and did "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1218.64,"endTime":1225.48,"body":"some just off the cuffs conversations"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1225.48,"endTime":1230.52,"body":"And it just really has transformed my thinking and has been amazing."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1230.52,"endTime":1236.6,"body":"And so I would love to have dinner with them now so my next wishful dinner party "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1230.52,"endTime":1236.6,"body":"would be the three of them just chit chatting."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1238.28,"endTime":1239.962,"body":"[MCM] That's awesome."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1239.962,"endTime":1244.119,"body":"[RO] Michelle. [JK] That would be great, yeah invite "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1239.962,"endTime":1244.119,"body":"us. [RO] Absolutely."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1244.119,"endTime":1254.379,"body":"[MCM] Yeah mine would definitely be Father Richard Rohr. He is, yeah. He's a Catholic"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1244.119,"endTime":1254.379,"body":"Franciscan Friar."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1254.379,"endTime":1264.151,"body":"He is fantastic but he's, he thinks differently. He's really just "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1254.379,"endTime":1264.151,"body":"shaking things up and he's just so wise."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1264.151,"endTime":1270.2,"body":"His wisdom is just profound and he also has "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1264.151,"endTime":1270.2,"body":"been interviewed by Brene Brown several times"},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1271.28,"endTime":1278.12,"body":"And she thought, he's been, he's written many "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1271.28,"endTime":1278.12,"body":"books so I just find him very centering and his  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1278.12,"endTime":1282.8,"body":"he just seems like the kindest man on the "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1278.12,"endTime":1282.8,"body":"planet so I would love to have dinner with him.  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1283.88,"endTime":1288.072,"body":"And he has a dog named Opie, which I think "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1283.88,"endTime":1288.072,"body":"is adorable. [KJ] Nice."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1288.072,"endTime":1295.58,"body":"[MCM] Anyway, well thank you Kate, thank you for joining us. It's been a wonderful "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1288.072,"endTime":1295.58,"body":"conversation it's been great getting to know you  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1296.18,"endTime":1299.642,"body":"and I look forward to the next time that our "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1296.18,"endTime":1299.642,"body":"path can cross."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1299.642,"endTime":1301.7,"body":"[KJ] Absolutely thanks very much."},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1304.7,"endTime":1309.74,"body":"[RO] Thank you for joining us on this episode "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1304.7,"endTime":1309.74,"body":"of NLN Nursing EDge Unscripted Surface.  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1309.74,"endTime":1314.96,"body":"We hope you join us next time. Until then, "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1309.74,"endTime":1314.96,"body":"remember: whether your water is calm or choppy,  "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1314.96,"endTime":1319.34,"body":"stay connected, get vulnerable, "},{"speaker":"[KJ] My favorite quote is Maya Angelou's","startTime":1314.96,"endTime":1319.34,"body":"and dare to go beneath the surface."}]}