What if career fulfillment wasn't just the title you hold or the job you do, but a reflection of your emotions and values? Join us in this insightful episode of Coffee and Career Hour where we redefine and explore the concept of career fulfillment beyond the conventional norms. We delve into our personal journeys – the highs and lows, the moments of self-doubt and the triumphs of self-awareness, revealing how the perception of our careers has evolved over time. The power to redesign and redefine your career lies within you, and we unravel this liberating realization.
We navigate through the maze of career fulfillment beyond your daily grind. From online courses to community volunteering and networking, there are countless ways to discover fulfillment. Career shifts don't always imply drastic industry changes. Sometimes it's a matter of seeking new roles or capacities. We urge you to look beyond your typical workday and reassess your purpose, goals, and values. Tune in and unearth the many facets of career fulfillment with us, and don't forget to check out 'Designing Your Life' by Bill Burnett and David Evans for additional insights.
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What if career fulfillment wasn't just the title you hold or the job you do, but a reflection of your emotions and values? Join us in this insightful episode of Coffee and Career Hour where we redefine and explore the concept of career fulfillment beyond the conventional norms. We delve into our personal journeys – the highs and lows, the moments of self-doubt and the triumphs of self-awareness, revealing how the perception of our careers has evolved over time. The power to redesign and redefine your career lies within you, and we unravel this liberating realization.
We navigate through the maze of career fulfillment beyond your daily grind. From online courses to community volunteering and networking, there are countless ways to discover fulfillment. Career shifts don't always imply drastic industry changes. Sometimes it's a matter of seeking new roles or capacities. We urge you to look beyond your typical workday and reassess your purpose, goals, and values. Tune in and unearth the many facets of career fulfillment with us, and don't forget to check out 'Designing Your Life' by Bill Burnett and David Evans for additional insights.
CareeRise: www.careerrise.org
CareerConfidence: www.mjcareerconfidence.com
Follow Us on IG!
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Hello, hello, welcome back everybody.
Speaker 2:Welcome back to Coffee and Career, our podcast. Your two favorite hosts are back in action.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is so good to be back and please forgive us for missing a week.
Speaker 2:For missing a session. We know some of you reached out through different ways of. However, you reached out by communicating to us that you missed our last episode, but we are back and really happy to be back in this space.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for actually letting us know that you missed us. That gives us comfort knowing that you're all out there waiting for an episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so here we go, Arminne, before we start how are you officially set? How are you doing today? It's Monday.
Speaker 1:I'm doing well. I am actually, in all honesty, a little bit overwhelmed, a little bit calm, like a mixture of both emotions, because there's a lot happening. Yeah yeah, we're in a lot of work. So I decided I'm just going to have to take it one day at a time.
Speaker 2:I love that One day at a time you talked about a lot of emotions, and a lot of these emotions kind of happened in the middle of everything we're about to talk about right now. Our big umbrella term today is all about the word career and career fulfillment, which a lot of us may believe that happens at the end of our career or our job, that we do. But Arminne, I'm asking her how she's doing today because we briefly chatted before this and we both are feeling a little overwhelmed. A lot of the cure-ness in terms of we got this type of feeling, but also excitement, and those are emotions you tend to feel all throughout your career, at different times, but also at the same time too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely they can happen simultaneously. I think sometimes, when we talk about career fulfillment, there's this fairy tale idea that, oh, once you figure out what you want to do with your life, you're going to always be excited to go to work and it's like rainbows and butterflies. But that's not the reality of how it is. You can be fulfilled in your career and still feel overwhelmed, sometimes feel incompetent or lose confidence. It's all natural emotions which we're going to get to today.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. There's not only rainbows and sunshines, people, there are rainy days and cloudy skies. So today we're going to talk about career fulfillment and all things career. That happened. But before we get into what that means or what even that looks like, I want to tell you a little story about something that kind of took me back to my humble days before I was a career counselor. Well, the story takes place as I was a career counselor, but it reminded me of something before I was a career counselor. So these last couple of weeks as UCLA that's right, the institution we work for has been getting ready to come back to class. So have our students that constantly needing support which is awesome and getting ready for all things in their career and their lives.
Speaker 2:With that, I actually had a couple individuals kind of pause. One in particular asked me the question what is a career and what does career mean? Funny enough, when they asked, of course, mj, the career counselor she is, gave them the formal definition of what it is. And a career is the culmination of one's life's work, the different roles and occupations that somebody has had. In a macro view, is what career is. The career is the whole story, or as a job or role or title is a particular character, but the career is the whole story.
Speaker 2:So how did this kind of relate and why am I telling you the stories? Because back then, when I was a little 18-year-old, as an undergrad, even before in high school, deciding what I wanted to study in college, I thought career meant something you do to get a lot of money. I thought it was the job, I thought it was the title. I never really thought about career as an emotion, as something that made me happy. I never thought about career as something that I would look forward to in terms of personal understanding and fulfillment. I thought it was something that looked good on a piece of paper, that you could demonstrate outwardly, not something that internally made you feel whole in some type of way. That's my story on the word career and how it has grown and changed. And as a professional, we're going to talk about career fulfillment, but I personally feel career fulfilled in a lot of different ways and we're going to be breaking those down for you today.
Speaker 1:I love that question that your student asked you, that's also such an insightful and thoughtful question, coming from a student, of what is a career.
Speaker 1:So I think that's great that you that also inspired you to kind of self-reflect on where what you used to think growing up I know for sure I used to think that a career was just something you did for money, and also the title as well. When I was in college I used to think that. But I think that's why I fell in love with this field so much is because when I learned about all these concepts, it was like a whole new world opened up in my mind of oh, this is, you know, career could actually mean multiple things and you don't have to stick to one industry, you don't have to stick to one type of work in your. It just opened up like it's almost freeing. I think I'm realizing as I talk about it now. It's freeing to know that you don't have to stick to one thing for the rest of your life and you can constantly design it and redefine it yourself, and I really realize that. That's why I love this field.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that. You're reminding me a lot of like the current law I was going to show you because we are recording this a little differently this week, but well, I can't show you. What is that going to stop me? But for everybody listening, I've been really reading and enjoying the design in your life book by Bill Burnett and David Evans, who really talk about that. One is the designer right of your life. I am doing other things outside of being a career counselor, where recently I've used the language of one is the author and engineer. Right, you are the builder of your own career. So those are things that are forever evolving. It's not something that's written down and cannot be changed like pen and paper, right? Something that is actually with like a pencil or a whiteboard and you can erase, redesign, add, change, modify however you want. So career is something that is undefined by you because it's taking that traditional spin on it and it's having you define it and you'll have millions and millions of different definitions of what it looks like.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, with that said, how do people find career fulfillment, or what does career fulfillment even mean?
Speaker 2:That's a very philosophical question. It's a very deep question. But career fulfillment essentially means that you have to start with the person, right? I like to refer to the person or us as the human or home. So you have to start right here at home with who you are, and you need to know who you are.
Speaker 2:And that is a very deep question and things we've said in our very early podcast together. You can go back and listen to those. You can hear about our thoughts on who you are and who we are right and our power of confidence in our careers. But you need to start with the human being and who you are, but also your, why, your passions, your drive right, the gas that you put in the car for you to drive your career into your career fulfillment. Why do you do the things you do? Why do you love the things you do? How does that make you feel? What are your interests? Are they aligned with how they make you happy? Right? Career fulfillment is something that is constantly adapting to wherever you are in your life, and work too, yeah it's very true.
Speaker 1:It is adapting because what makes you feel fulfilled one year might look very different than following year, when maybe your personal circumstances change and that maybe shifts the values that you have as well. So, depending on where you're at in your life and what you need, your career and what makes you feel fulfilled in your career are also going to evolve, and I think I'm seeing that now as I'm going through a huge transition in my personal life. But I realized that through, like the past 10 years of working in this industry as a counselor and advisor, student affairs, my roles in academic advising and career counseling and multiple institutions I've been on different teams, different types of structures and systems that worked. In each office that I worked at.
Speaker 1:I realized that career fulfillment doesn't necessarily mean, you know, being excited to go to work every day, because no matter what, how much you love the work that you do, you're not. It's impossible. We're human beings. Are going to be days we're less motivated. There's going to be days that things are going on in our personal lives. It's not realistic to think that, like you're going to just love going to work every day and love everything you do about that job. But I've learned through my experience that it's more so at the aftermath of the work that you do, when you see the result of it. What do you feel? Do you feel accomplished? Do you feel like you made a difference? Do you feel like all the energy and effort you put there was an outcome? That, to me, I think, is what fulfillment means now.
Speaker 2:Absolutely as a early, growing, mid whatever I can be defined in different terms to different people sized professional.
Speaker 2:I definitely agree it's something that you really like. Personally, I do not feel excited to wake up every morning and answer over like 30 emails every day, but the feeling I get after meeting with a student and we've had a breakthrough, or they get career enlightenment, right, as we often call it, or they'll they'll spontaneously think of something and get really excited and your support creates a larger impact than what you think. That feeling that like, oh, I made it different. Or no matter how big or how small, right, whether it's pointing them to the right person or resource or different service in their life or on campus. If we're going to talk about students or showing them a new skill or highlighting something that somebody has never said to them before, right. That makes me feel career fulfilled and being able to do that at work in my place of work and offline with a group of individuals at the community I've built and career confidence and with you here, those are things that get me excited and remind me of the bigger picture, not just the smaller stories within. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So, for all our listeners, we encourage you to think about the work that you're doing or the industry that you want to get into. What do you think is going to make you feel fulfilled in that line of work, or what is that feeling that you're looking for Ideally at the end of your work day? What do you anticipate feeling after doing that work? Because that's what's going to maybe answer that question if this is the right career path for you or not.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And if you're kind of in that, in a little bit of a muddy situation, right where you're like I'm not really sure if this is something I enjoy or something I want to continue doing, maybe you want, you need a career pivot, or maybe you've lost touch with that initial sense of fulfillment, right, ask yourself like where are you? Who am I? Where am I? Who am I? Are my passion, interest, motivation, the same? Have they changed? How have I grown as a person and as a professional? And where do I want to be? Who do I want to become? Because, like Armin I said a year ago, you are very different than who you are now. Even if we're taking it day by day, we're different every day. And that's who you really want to check in with, because that's the only human being, the person who will know if they feel career fulfilled too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely. I think I see with my students all the time is that they want to have the answer figured out. Right, they'll come to me with, oh I don't know what to do, I'm about to graduate, I don't know what career I want to have long term, and they want this answer. They think there's this magic formula that I can create and solve the puzzle together. And then all of a sudden we figure out this career path that's going to make them a lot of money, that's going to give them stability, that's going to give them the excitement and the fulfillment that they're looking for.
Speaker 1:And most of my conversations is like let's have a realistic conversation about what that looks like. You have to create that over time by trying out different things. Right, by trying out different types of positions. Yeah, you want to know generally the kind of industry you want to get into. That that's going to help kind of steer your pathway.
Speaker 1:But overall, like each position you have, it's going to shape you and you're going to evolve and you're going to create that fulfillment for yourself and your values are going to shift as well. So I think it's sometimes it's an interesting feeling having that conversation with my client and I kind of want to put it out there too on the podcast for listeners is that you know, it's not always that magical. It's really just going down and to business, doing the work, doing the work day by day, and then at the end of the year you reflect and you're like, wow, I grew along. This is what I learned from this experience and this is where I want to kind of take it for the future, like what MJ was saying who do I want to be in the future?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, you're reminding me of like recently I think you and I have had the conversation of like expectation, right, and as we you know, with each class that graduates in each incoming class there the certain level of expectation. I mean not only with a class, with any student or client or person that comes to ask for support and as a professional, you're seen as someone who this is your expertise, right. So students or clients feel like, when they're coming to seek out support, this person was going to pull out a book of careers and going to match me to something that makes sense for what I'm sharing, right, and a lot of the time it's breaking down that barrier or that misconception of a career counselor or career professional. Is it someone who is a job matcher, right. And then someone who's like, oh, I hear you, you like to argue or you like to defend things and you like facts and knowledge oh, you're going to be a great lawyer, right. Like that's not, kind of how it works. Or, oh, you love working with kids, you should be a teacher. Like it's not.
Speaker 2:We have to, kind of, like you said, right, check our expectations and have a realistic conversation of truly, what does the person feel on the inside and how do you want to create that life for you? Which is a lot of the time why you hear the words career and life in the same sentence because, again, your career is the whole macro. Right, it's the macro level where the job or the role or the work you do is on a micro level, but the impact is huge. It's macro for you. So, expectation, think about life as a whole.
Speaker 2:That's hard to do when you're a student. It's also hard to do as a person, just like living their life as an adult, right With a family or in the work, doing the work. And it's like I'm doing the work I thought I'd do and it's not fulfilling, like what do I do now? And it takes a lot of humility is the word that I like to use, and humbleness to come down with yourself and say, okay, like who am I? And it gets to the nitty gritty of a conversation with the person in the mirror.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think the hardest part about all of this is that when asked, how do you really feel on the inside, people have a hard time answering that Just even for themselves, like being honest with themselves. I think that's the hardest part, which is why maybe sometimes people have a harder time picking out a career or making decisions committing to a career, because they're maybe blocking themselves from being honest with how they feel and in previous episodes we've talked about that too. That could also be because there's like different societal messages about what a career should look like, how much money a career should make, the title and the status that comes with a career. Maybe they're getting pressure from family or friends or things like that, so that those things can block a person from really feeling what they're feeling.
Speaker 1:But then that is really what's going to answer the questions that people have about career decision making is, at this moment in time, what makes you feel fulfilled, what makes you feel like the work that you're doing is having an impact. Big or small doesn't matter, as long as it's having an impact that makes you feel like, I guess makes you feel like your value in society, because whatever you're doing is having a positive impact Right. So at this point in time, whatever that is, I think that's really the truth that we have to get to as people to make these career decisions. And then, year by year, we reevaluate, we reflect, and that's a skill on its own to learn to self assess, learn to reflect on yourself. That's a skill that's hard to develop as well, but it comes with practice, because each year you kind of go through that cycle of reflecting on yourself and making career decisions according to what how you've grown and changed in the past year.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. You mentioned a word, I think, that like makes me jump every time it's value, which is huge in career fulfillment because as you grow as a human being and as your wants and your needs and who you are changes, so does your values. And in career fulfillment your values can start off as one thing right. We've been talking a lot about the misconception of a career. Well, our own right, our own misconceptions of a career have been no money, title, how we're sitting on the outsides, the title, view or status or class when one values are one of the most important items, if you will, in your career toolkit as you're navigating that journey right.
Speaker 2:And I know it's something Arminay loves to talk about and it's something I shy away from, I think, personally, because MJ has a hard time with her values and knows them but doesn't know how to honor them in her career.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's really insightful. Thank you for sharing that, because it is hard to commit. Knowing your values maybe isn't as hard after you've had some work experience, because it's easy to say this is what's important to me. Once you've had work experience it could be easy to identify them, but it's harder to commit to them. But I think that's why I like talking about it, because then it's a reminder that oh, these are the things that are important to me. I need to commit to these and then thinking about am I committing to them or which ones am I letting slip through the cracks? And is that maybe why I'm losing motivation sometimes? And using that to figure out where I'm at in my career right now and what I need?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Yeah, values are important. Don't be like me I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm growing. I promise it's hard. It's hard to honor them. It's really easy for me to say this is what's important. It's hard for me to act on them because I tend to put I think it's just the and I don't mean to come from this as a deficit mindset, as a first gen individual or a woman or because of my culture or anything but I tend to put my career and my profession and money, those type of things, ahead of my value as a human being. What's important to me, because I'd rather look good in the professional aspect of society than honor myself, because I don't feel like that's the same amount of worth and that shows me I have the skills, self-awareness, and I need to work on that because both need to be equally valueous to me too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and yeah, you know awareness is key, right?
Speaker 1:So the good thing is that you're aware that you always put your career first before your personal needs, and for X, y and Z reasons that you're aware of.
Speaker 1:So you know, and for anyone out there who might relate as well, it's really thinking about and I tell the STEMJ all the time we have this conversation you are also important and the work that you do cannot be impactful until you also take care of yourself. So learning to value yourself as well is your sudden done. But it is, I think, a skill set that goes hand in hand with career fulfillment, because that's why we see burnout right, when there's employees who are doing a great job and then over time, you notice their work starts to slack off a little bit and they're no longer motivated in their work. It could be because they're not putting their personal needs first. And if you do put your personal needs first, it doesn't mean that you're not a good employee. It just different times in your life require different levels of balance that you have to kind of have for your personal needs and your career needs. But at the end of the day they go hand in hand, can't do one without the other.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I think you bring up a good point too. It's funny. I was reading an article recently I think this morning, this morning or yesterday about working from home and where is everybody preferring to work from. It was on the NACE website. I was looking, I think it was yesterday, but anyway, long story short, you're talking about your personal needs and we all experience and what feels like we're re-experiencing the impact of COVID again, and during COVID times, everybody was working from home and employers were being extremely flexible.
Speaker 2:And as we started transitioning of what we consider, quote unquote, like getting out of COVID and returning back to normal life, the question of where do we work and where do we do our best work started to come into play. And when I was thinking about what that meant and it was like oh yeah, a lot of people enjoy working from home. Why? Because, oh guess what they value not having to sit in traffic and getting to spend more time with their family. They value the opportunity to be able to do things that they weren't able to do before have a lot more balance.
Speaker 2:That last one could also be argued Because, if you're like me, I'm home all day and I don't have nothing to do. I'd rather work all day. So I have no balance. That one could be argued, that one could be argued, but everything else is thinking about where you work from and putting your personal values before. So I thought it was interesting that you mentioned that, because I know you and I have that conversation all the time, where one of the two of us has a hard time like actually staying home and working from home, where the other one is teaching that one to really value that time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's so interesting how the pandemic really shifted people's idea of work and what's important to them. That's why we saw the great resignation right Was that? That was in 2021 or 22, when there were a lot of people changing careers, starting in 2020, it started and moving into 21,. There was a lot of data and statistics on that. But that's why Because I think once people stayed home and spent time with their families more, it shifted people's priorities and values and helped people realize like, oh, maybe I'm actually not filled in this work that I'm doing. Going back to school was a big thing too at that time, when people wanted to make career pivot. So it's really interesting to see how the pandemic impacted people's sense of what work should feel like.
Speaker 1:And we're not really, you know, we hasn't like gone away. It's shifting and continuing to transition. A lot of companies now are offering hybrid work. That's become kind of a standard or even fully remote, but it was never this popular right. The hybrid or the remote work was really more so. We would see it in the tech industry pre-pandemic, and now it's like every industry has some form of hybrid option.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, which is having me and I'm thinking about like well, is then career fulfillment only contained within a work environment and at work? So, for example, in our office, in our department, does career fulfillment go beyond those four doors or four walls?
Speaker 1:I definitely say it goes beyond.
Speaker 2:I absolutely agree. I agree because I think we're two examples of what that looks like, beyond your eight to five or nine to five job, and one of the things we wanted to highlight was that you're your career, what you do, and that emotion of feeling impact and excitement and feeling good, right, good about the work you produce or the work you do or the difference you make in. However, whatever industry you're in, it doesn't just happen when you're getting paid for it. It's amazing to feel paid for the work that you do, right, and get compensated really, really well, and compensation looks differently. But we wanted to highlight that career fulfillment doesn't only happen in this type of environment.
Speaker 2:Some of the ways you can fulfill are through acts of service Mentorship is one I'm thinking about specifically, right. Acts of service volunteering your time, spending it with others, doing different things, for example, being on a podcast. Being on a podcast related to your industry, sharing your knowledge and expertise and the insights you know. There are different ways, creating a social platform, right. I'm like literally naming everything we do without saying it specifically. There are different ways of feeling career fulfilled and we wanted to inform you that it doesn't just happen at work, and it's okay if it doesn't just happen at work.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, 100%. And sometimes it might not happen as much at work because of your personal situation. You might be taking on a temporary job or something along the lines where it's not really the best fit for you, but you're kind of. You're in that situation right now where you're taking on this job but you can still find career fulfillment in the things that you do outside of the paid nine to five or whatever hours you're working right.
Speaker 1:It's through taking online courses on LinkedIn, learning that might enhance your knowledge about a topic that you're really interested in. It's through, like volunteering in the community, like MJ said, with acts of service. It's through anything like with the way technology is advancing these days, there are so many opportunities to get involved in the industries that you're interested in just remotely right Networking virtually. There's like virtual fairs and virtual conferences and things like that that you could go to as well in the industries that you're interested in, to network with the people who share the same passions and have those conversations right. As part of the reason why podcasts have become really popular too is people love having conversations about the things that excite them. So if you're not getting that fulfillment from your paid job that ideally you want to get that fulfillment right, like when we talk about career fulfillment traditionally.
Speaker 1:That's what we're talking about is feeling fulfilled in your paid job, and that's the goal.
Speaker 1:But if you're in a situation where you aren't able to do that right now, you could still find fulfillment through these different avenues, and these different avenues might then lead you to finally, then a paid job that actually gives you that same level of fulfillment. So it all kind of intertwines and the puzzle pieces come together over time. But it's what is required of us is doing this, different steps, one step at a time, trying out different things. Like we've said before, it's starting this podcast was hella scary for us, but we tried it out, and so many other things that have been scary for us that we're trying out because we know that this line of work gives us fulfillment, even though we may be stressed, overwhelmed, and in our, in our paid job, there are things that we don't love to do, like I'm just saying, answering emails in the morning.
Speaker 1:That's fair and like we're happy to announce that because that's no secret and we're human, and there are things that we don't love to do, but we know that this line of work gives us fulfillment, which is why we dab our feet into these different other projects that we do on the side, outside of our paid job, because it's all coming together over time, absolutely.
Speaker 2:There's something I did want to mention too is you may find that a lot of the time, if you're going through this transition of identifying like re, re assessing right, you have that skill and you're developing and strengthening that's real re assessing where you are you may identify that a lot of the times you feel career fulfilled outside of your day to day work right, and that also may be because you're in in a point of time of transition and it may be time to transition or career pivot or job pivot, right. Your career pivoting doesn't always mean you're going into a whole new world or a whole new industry. It could just be doing same type of related beam of work, different role right, different capacity, different team, and the career fulfillment you may be experiencing is outside of that a lot of the time, because you're outside of the funk, right, you're not really, you're not feeling the groove and you're not really in it the way you used to be. So that's also something to know. If you're noticing that it could be that it may be time for a change, it doesn't mean that something's absolutely wrong or it could just be that you need to redefine your purpose, your goals, your values, who you are and just reassess and re-identify that person, this home body, but our name.
Speaker 2:There's something you touched upon that I want to briefly shed light on, because it's something that is quickly happening in our environment, in our society, and something worth being, that's impacting our work on the day to day, and that is on the on advancement of technology and what that looks like in terms of career. We have shared before our thoughts on AI, specifically on resume and other material development for personal branding and things like that, but the advancement of technology is getting real scary. For those in the field, I'm sure they love seeing it, but for those like us who you know, we kind of have to ask ourselves, like, is this something that that can maybe one day take over our job? It is kind of scary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we always have these conversations of like how is AI or the advancement of technology, how is it shifting the world of work? So many jobs that are no longer going to exist. I mean, that already happened with just even the advancement of internet and computers becoming what they are today. A lot of jobs were that used to exist no longer exist, but it's going to be, even at a more accelerated rate when we have technology that's advancing to the level that it is now that we see with AI.
Speaker 1:So it's going to be interesting in the next I don't know 10 to 15 years to see how the world of work changes as technology kind of takes over a lot of the daily nuances, daily tasks that maybe we don't. That might be a little bit more mundane, whereas that's the idea, right, the people who create these things. The idea is to make people's lives easier, to eliminate the smaller tasks that we have to do during the day so that we could actually focus on bigger things. That's the intention behind it. But we'll see how it all actually shakes out and what the results are. But the world of work is definitely changing and going to continue to change even faster as we see how technology changes our lives, so things to think about. We don't know, none of us can predict, but we think about this all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. I've recently been asking my students more and more especially the ones that I've developed a stronger relationship with over a period of time have you used AI in terms of career enhancement or career development, and in what ways? I've had a couple of students be like I'm so sorry, mj, but I have, and I'm like no, that's fine, because, guess what, you're still coming to see a career counselor, you're still coming to talk about the issues or the challenges or the updates that you're having right, and you can't. You may not necessarily feel that way with AI because they're not human. So the counseling part of what we do is is thought out a lot more because they're getting the technical aspects from AI, but guess what Technical aspects aren't always up to date and they aren't always right information for what we have talking to the human beings that actually employ our students, right.
Speaker 2:So AI technology in general, please like, just slow your roll. We're slowly getting there, but it's something to think about. And in me, someone recently told me like you know, like if you don't, we like it was a conversation of we understand that AI may not be your best friend in terms of your job, but you also have to think about at least staying in the know. So when it comes time to use these things and then become way more advanced and in our day to day involvement, it's important to keep up with them, because then the human we are seeing as a person who is slowing down the career or whatever aspect or task that we're doing too. So really scary, really random. But advancement of technology We'll see where we're headed, but in terms of career, the counselors are still here, hey, that right, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:That's my job moment right there. The counselors are still here.
Speaker 2:The counselors are still here. Yeah, very cool Okay.