Join us for an episode of growth as we navigate the waters of giving and receiving feedback. While it may be challenging, feedback is a process of self-reflection and active improvement. Whether you're receiving it in a professional or personal setting, constructive feedback can truly shape you as an individual.
We tackle the emotional battlefield that feedback can often become, emphasizing the impact of its source and the setting in which it's given. We share our personal struggles with feedback and how coping with it can sometimes feel like a rollercoaster ride. We also shed light on the profound influence feedback can have on our sense of self, the importance of human connection, and the need to process and understand our emotions in these situations. Our candid conversation aims to illuminate the often overlooked growth opportunities that come with receiving feedback.
As we navigate the professional world, we share some tactical approaches to giving and receiving feedback. Drawing from our own experiences, we highlight the significance of sensitive communication in fostering growth. We discuss techniques such as the "sandwich method" and stress the importance of feedback in personal and professional growth. No one is perfect, and we all have room to grow - let's normalize the idea of feedback being a stepping stone towards becoming the best versions of ourselves. Tune in, and let's embark on this journey together.
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Join us for an episode of growth as we navigate the waters of giving and receiving feedback. While it may be challenging, feedback is a process of self-reflection and active improvement. Whether you're receiving it in a professional or personal setting, constructive feedback can truly shape you as an individual.
We tackle the emotional battlefield that feedback can often become, emphasizing the impact of its source and the setting in which it's given. We share our personal struggles with feedback and how coping with it can sometimes feel like a rollercoaster ride. We also shed light on the profound influence feedback can have on our sense of self, the importance of human connection, and the need to process and understand our emotions in these situations. Our candid conversation aims to illuminate the often overlooked growth opportunities that come with receiving feedback.
As we navigate the professional world, we share some tactical approaches to giving and receiving feedback. Drawing from our own experiences, we highlight the significance of sensitive communication in fostering growth. We discuss techniques such as the "sandwich method" and stress the importance of feedback in personal and professional growth. No one is perfect, and we all have room to grow - let's normalize the idea of feedback being a stepping stone towards becoming the best versions of ourselves. Tune in, and let's embark on this journey together.
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Welcome back to Coffee and Career Hour.
Speaker 2:We are very excited to be here yes, we are as always, and we wanted to say Happy Belated Thanksgiving. We're really grateful for the community we have built on here and continue to build and expand as we grow.
Speaker 1:Yes, Happy Belated Thanksgiving everybody. Thank you for listening and supporting us. We are so grateful. We would not be continuing our podcast if it wasn't for our loyal listeners.
Speaker 2:And we hope you had a wonderful holiday. We're excited to come back with a new episode.
Speaker 1:Yay, so MJ, tell our audience what is our episode about today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mentioned it last week and we're going to be talking about feedback and we're going to be talking about two different sides of it, whether that's when you receive feedback and how to give feedback, because it's a learning process both ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely within that one word of feedback. There's a lot of emotion that comes up, so let's actually talk about that. What are some first thoughts you have when you hear the word feedback?
Speaker 2:Immediately when you said feedback. I know this is our topic, but I think my body is just adjusting to the word because I keep feeling like I'm on the spot. It's hot potato and it's something that is going to not feel good and it's almost going to be like a hard pill to swallow. Feedback immediately in my brain turns into something negative and it makes me feel like I did something wrong and I'm being called out for it. What about you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no same exact reaction to it. I know, logically, that there is positive feedback, but just hearing the word feedback emotionally makes me feel like oh my gosh, it's negative and I think it's pretty common. I think that's probably the experience most people have.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I laughed because you said logically, and I'm like I don't think logically until, like, after work. Logic doesn't happen until later in the process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, yeah, emotions definitely take over, for sure. So, let's say, somebody says like I want to give you some feedback. The thoughts and the feelings that come up in that moment are like oh my gosh, what interactions did I have with this person recently? What could this possibly be about? Did I do something wrong? I'm sure all of those things I know for sure I would think that if I were told like, oh what, I want to give you some feedback.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's usually seen in a negative light. However, like Armini said, there are some opportunities for it to be positive, and it usually is. Feedback is usually positive in the way in which it's constructive, but receiving feedback is a whole different form and, before we get into the different types, but I interpret it as negative. It's something that, depending on the situation, depending on the person, depending on the environment, I do take pretty personally. Yeah, it hits home in a lot of different ways, because a lot of the times when I'm getting feedback, it's in the environments in which I'm not completely comfortable, in the environments in which I don't feel like I 100% fit in.
Speaker 2:So, like at work or, yeah, like any of the jobs that I have or the opportunities I've been granted, but at home I don't take feedback the same as I do as at work. Some family gives you feedback about something you said or something you did or something you wore versus at work when it has to do a little bit more with your profession and your career and the thing you do for a living.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's a really good point because, depending on the setting and where it's coming from, because feedback could come at us in all areas of our lives right from anybody in our life, and it could be unexpected as well. But depending on who it's coming from and the environment in which it's coming, you might also kind of react differently to it. But I thought that was an interesting point you made about it being from environments where you don't completely feel like you fit in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I already feel like there's something I'm missing or that I'm lacking already to be in this environment. So, like you all know, this, like as a first-time person, I don't feel like I completely fit in in the work environment, because it's not like this type of work wasn't made for people like me and I've had to get here and I always feel like I'm going to lack something and I'm not going to be good enough and those are yes my intrusive thoughts.
Speaker 2:But I already feel that way here, and then when I get feedback, I'm like great, like it's just proves the point that I don't fit in and that I did something wrong and that I don't belong here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it validates your own limiting beliefs. So you know, what's interesting is if somebody gives you positive feedback, like just purely positive feedback, like MJ, you're doing a great job.
Speaker 2:Like you do on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're really good at what you do. That doesn't seem to kind of help alleviate this, yeah it's not an impact.
Speaker 2:The way negative is. I think negatively negative feedback, where it's more constructive or negative oriented, it leaves more of a deeper wound than positive feedback. That one I kind of just like. It's almost like if I was like Like a wall and like water was being thrown and it just completely slips down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love your metaphors, though oh my gosh, you are the metaphor queen. Yeah, so it is really inch and I would say I definitely agree even for me it's like, even if it's in a personal setting. Even if it's my own mom giving me feedback, like I will have to take a minute to like think about it, like, even if it's something about what I wore, I'll have to I what I'll do is I'll be like I can't believe I didn't Like think of this myself.
Speaker 1:You know that I had to get feedback even you know, I know my mom is like she's coming from a great place, she's my, she's my number one fan, you know, like she's my mom, she's my best friend, but like, even then, I'll be like why didn't I Realize this? Why did it have to come to the point where somebody has to point it out to me?
Speaker 2:That's how I feel, so you internalize it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. For me it's like my, I put the weight on my shoulders, and so I think that's probably the case in work settings too, and in any kind of setting would be like I should have realized this earlier.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you, arminie, you've been in the working field a lot longer than me and you've lived a little bit longer a little bit, a little bit longer than I have has. Has that changed over the past 10 years since you've been in the field?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, when I was in my 20s I definitely was a lot less confident and knew myself less, and so I would be more emotional towards feedback. Now I definitely like have more of a sense of who I am and like I Understand also the people around me and what they're coming from a little bit better, and so I think I can like manage those feelings a little bit more. But it's still in the good, the instant. Maybe for a few seconds that's the instant reaction would be like oh shoot, I should have figured this out myself, okay. And then I have to think about it and be like okay, I understand where they're coming from. So it has, you've have changed, but it has. Yes, definitely, definitely I've grown In terms of just Recognizing that, also like recognizing that I'm not perfect and that's okay.
Speaker 1:When I was younger, I would be like not okay with not being perfect in any given circumstance, like no, I got to say the right thing, I got to act the right way all the time. And then I realized, like no, people don't connect with you when you're like that. The first of all, nobody's perfect, even if you try to be, but but when you try to be, people don't connect with you, because People want human connection and interaction. Yeah, so in a sense, it's almost like if you're not being Perfect and you are getting feedback that there's something you can grow on. That's an opportunity that, like, you could use to connect with somebody. Yeah, learn from each other.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, I feel like, see, I feel like I have a strong sense of self and I and I I know that Others have, and you said to me before and other people at our, at our workplace, have said to me like they can see the confidence in me. I can never see it on myself and I think that's why I struggle so much with feedback. It's because I can tell that I I don't know who's it out, I don't know if that's the right way to describe it, but I can't like Interesting because I have a strong sense of self.
Speaker 2:I know why I'm. I'm very like I'm not insecure at work. Outwork, yeah, but like with when it comes to feedback, I think like I second guess who I am and what I do and if I know what I'm doing like all those different things kind of come into play.
Speaker 1:So it's, it's a complex feeling, right. It's not like, and it's not like you Any of us like feel confident all the time or feel it's about here all the time right, like there are days, or maybe it's a particular project we're working on and then yeah, like you put your heart and soul into that project.
Speaker 1:And then it's like, oh, maybe you didn't get the reaction. Like one time I didn't get the reaction I wanted from my students in a workshop because I felt like there, I felt like the message that I was giving wasn't resonating the way that I I would have expected it to, and Like I didn't even get feedback. I mean, I did a survey and actually got positive Responses on the survey, which is funny but like just looking at their facial expressions, I wasn't getting the reactions that I hoped for, because I put a lot of heart and soul into that workshop. So just even that like nonverbal feedback that I was getting in that workshop made me feel insecure and feel like, oh my gosh, maybe I didn't do a good job on this workshop and I had to talk it out with you and my supervisor until like Recognize, like no.
Speaker 1:I know that what I like, the direction that I took this workshop, was in the best interest of the student and they actually did write positive reviews and the ones that I didn't resonate with, you know that's. That's just where they're at in their life right now and I you can't, you can't like reach everybody in one workshop.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, I, yes, arvind, I did a kick-ass job in that workshop what she's talking, because I knew immediately when you started. Sorry, I knew exactly what you were referring to when you're in a circle. Yeah, I remember this. She did a kick-ass job, she did great. It was like a couple students that just were in different phases of where she was, and it's not, it's not a reflection on her, it was just were.
Speaker 2:You know, individuals are different. We're at different phases in our life. So, yeah, she did an awesome job. That's not to discredit her at all, but I totally I get you because I think something similar happened to me today. But that's a whole. It was a whole other situation, the whole thing which I'm over now. Like, whatever, it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, feedback is tough and I think, especially when you put so much of your heart and soul into something and receive feedback of what, oppositely, what you think is going to be expected, like I've been, I've been on that wave recently where I've put like hours of work into something, turned it in and had it completely, and Somebody told me red pen.
Speaker 2:Yeah just Red pen and it crushed my soul and I remember I had to like it took Armin a and and my emotions were all over the place because I was at my At where it happened, so I needed to control whatever feelings I was having on the inside. But it reverted into very Like angry. And I was angry because I was like I don't know. I don't know. I think that's just my initial reaction was to just get angry and be a little bit passive, aggressive.
Speaker 2:It wasn't until when you asked me later that night this was two weeks ago like how I think there was something on my face that told you that something was wrong and you asked me and then I emotionally was able to process what had happened. And it wasn't until you that I was able to actually be like okay, I'm fine.
Speaker 1:I'm better.
Speaker 2:I understand. And that feedback, not that it was negative because it wasn't.
Speaker 2:it wasn't negative, it was the delivery the delivery of feedback sometimes also impacts the reaction in the person, and that's where feedback we can feel is negative. But feedback is supposed to be, you know, for growth and is supposed to be constructive, right the goals to improve. Where this feedback just wasn't delivered in that way and I just was. That's where the feelings of like I don't even feel 100% in this environment come from, because I feel like it's a foreign language and I'm struggling to navigate what that looks like. And then you like an example right, like if I'm trying to speak this foreign language, you're telling me that I'm not speaking it, right, but I'm giving it my all and you're just, you're not being helpful, like you're speaking in the language that I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah in the post. I don't know if that made any sense.
Speaker 1:No, it actually, again, you're with your metaphors. That actually makes perfect sense. It's as opposed to maybe giving you tips on okay, like I see where you're coming from with this, but maybe let's try this approach. And it's the tone that they use, and it's the method.
Speaker 1:Yeah the way they're going about it, but versus just saying like, nope, this is wrong, this is wrong, you said this the wrong way. That can definitely. I can see how that can actually make someone feel insecure, especially If it's in a situation where you're already feeling like am I, am I in the in my zone and am I in the right place for?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I also think it really depends on who's giving the feedback. And that goes back to the delivery, right, like if our money was giving me feedback, which she has, armin a like knows how to cater the feedback towards the person, right, it's like she's not.
Speaker 1:Armin knows I have a high.
Speaker 2:I think I'm a highly sensible person. I don't know. Yes, you are. I just cry for everything, but I think that impacts, but for you like you were able to help me process in that moment whereas like the other individuals, just kind of just you know, like it it was.
Speaker 2:It was almost like it was just normal and for me I've never felt that way before and I don't know if it was because my identities and the way I was raised and just not really feeling comfortable swimming in this water, speaking the language, to go with the metaphor it was just hard to hear, like it was just a lot of you know, the person delivering it, the relationship that was there and just the way it was handed off to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, it's a complex situation and for our listeners it's really kind of. I encourage you all to think about times when you've received feedback and you know, when we say feedback, it doesn't even necessarily need to be like somebody Plans it and sit you down and like this whole intervention with you or they're giving.
Speaker 1:That could be the case, but it could also be something really casual on the fly. Yeah, like Sometimes that happens in family settings. I feel like actually a lot of the times that happens in with family. It's like you'll be, you know, interacting and then like somebody in your family will tell you something like okay, like enough, you need to stop doing that, or whatever. That is still a form of feedback and they might not even in that moment be so thoughtful about it.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm but just because you guys have a relationship and they know you on a certain level, they they know how you are and in that moment something triggers it and they say it. But that Feedback can also be taken really, really heavily by the receiver. So it's really like for our listeners to think about when you perceive feedback, whether it was much more formal or much more casual, and how you took it and what, what thoughts and feelings it evoked in you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what you were just saying remind me of a word. In Spanish we use the word besado or bestimo. For those of you who speak Spanish will know that that the literal translation and I'm gonna tell you is is heavy. Bessimo is when somebody's being like Not necessarily mean, but it can feel like me, you're just being like mean on purpose. Um besado literal translation is heavy, or like a heavy load. So what you were just saying really reminded me of like I feel like my mom would say that, like no, say a spesimo or like that sounded really heavy, or a susos with a susa scucho bien pesado, and it's a like, almost like it's a heavy impact on you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and sometimes we don't know how the person if you're the giver of the feedback, right yeah, how the person can take it. You might say it very lightly and very like, not really thought out, so Not recognizing like you were talking about MJ, the identities that you bring into the space and and Everything that you're bringing into that room. Maybe the person giving the feedback hadn't even like thought about All that's coming in with you and they're literally just treating that situation as a this is a project where we're working on but.
Speaker 1:But it's really important as the giver to be mindful of who and how you're going about this process.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I sometimes think like that also gets wrapped up and I overthink these things because I'm very I like to consider myself, it's very mindful and thoughtful of, like what is the environment? Who are the individuals? Who's the audience? What am I saying? How second it impact?
Speaker 1:how's it gonna?
Speaker 2:relate All these intersecting identities, right, and being very cautious, cautious, but aware, just aware of what's happening. And I think that when I don't see that in other people, it feels very like privileged, like you don't have to Think about this twice. You've never had to think about this twice. Yeah, I've had to think about it my whole life. Right, like the way you're saying stuff, or like do I belong in this room? Like is my work good enough? Like all these different, like thoughts that individuals who usually give feedback don't really have to think about Because they don't have all of these intersecting identities. So it's a huge impact.
Speaker 1:That's a really good point and this this is like most relevant for work settings and, yeah, our academic settings, right, corporate, any of those kinds of settings where Feedback is coming from leadership, maybe and leadership maybe has a completely different background culturally and and Challenges they face have not been similar to what you face. Get it just even getting to that that space, and so it's. It's interesting to kind of hear that because I think for crew, in the context of career, I think that comes up a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I, you know, sometimes like I think about the opportunities I've had and have and I think about how I've been really privileged, even as a person of color, where I haven't had to jump through some of the hoops that those who come before me or come After me have had to jump, and what that looks like, and when I do things or say things like I have to think twice about the way I'm coming from and like I don't have full privilege, but I also can't say I don't have any privilege.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting place to be because growing up in this country, right and then coming from immigrant families, you're right there, the generation before us had to face many different challenges that we didn't have to face. And now we're here in that context where privileged. But then you go out into the world and you see you're in different work settings and academic settings and so forth and you realize like there are people who are Also more privileged than you have been, and and how that impacts the way people might speak to you or give feedback or receive feedback. It all like it all works together, you know. So feedback is really this this complex and very deep I Don't know what the word I'm trying to use this, but it can really hit a person deep and actually shape. Shape a person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, it can really impact. And I keep saying the word impact because it hits home. And I think shape is a really strong word to use because it can shape the way in which you look at things, the way in which you go about your work and the way in which you interact with other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so listeners, if you've ever received feedback that has shaped you, please do share with us in the comments or you can email us. Yeah, info at career rise dot oric.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, absolutely yeah. Email us. Email Armin a email career rise. Let's see what you have to share, because I think this is a A broader conversation when we're having today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, would love to hear your stories Now, if we were thinking about giving feedback, mj.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, giving feedback. I've done that before and I will tell you I suck at it because I'm somebody. I Like to consider myself really nice and I think when people say like, oh, I'm really nice, like you're not nice, but I swear, like our money can testify, I'm nice, yeah nice.
Speaker 2:But I try like I think I'm too nice when I give feedback or I don't want to come off the wrong way and I don't want to come off mean or rude or like I don't want to come off Red pen right. So I over, I overly like dress the feedback and like chocolate syrup, so you don't even know what flavor the ice cream is, oh Cuz. I'm like, oh my god, and you did this great and you did this great. There was this one thing and maybe you should have said that, not that, but you did this great in this great. I'm not good at giving feedback. I like to think I'm not but I don't, I don't honestly know, I don't know my students.
Speaker 2:I mean, we give feedback all the time.
Speaker 1:I'm a student, love it yeah if you think about, like resume reviews or anything, job search, any conversation we have with our clients or students, it's is giving them feedback on how they can improve a certain document or how they can go about the job search process.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, we give me back all the time.
Speaker 1:That is that, I think, part of the job that we have.
Speaker 2:I didn't think about that and that makes me Wow yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm having it.
Speaker 2:I'm having a Like both, because I really didn't put two and two together until I said it out loud. Yeah, we give feedback all the time. Yeah, I am actually really good at giving feedback. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I wonder if it's different because in that context, you're you're in the role of a counselor, so you're using your counseling skills and and Knowing how to approach your tone, the words you're using, paying attention to your clients, body language All of that, I think, comes into play because you're in the counselor chair.
Speaker 2:True, that's true, because it's also like I don't really like to say this, but it's my area of expertise. I don't like to use that word, it feels very off, but it is, it is our area of expertise and that's why I feel like in, in, in the mode, in the mood, whatever man zone in the zone. In the zone, because I know what I'm talking about, I, I can give the feedback, but I think it's more when it comes to like I Don't know, I just feel like I'm too much of a squishy person to like give real good constructive feedback.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've. I need to develop that skill a lot more, because I'm too. I'm telling you I overdressed it with chocolate syrup. You can't even tell the flavor of the ice cream.
Speaker 1:Okay, I love that metaphor, but Now, now I want ice cream. But Okay, and it is a skill to develop, right, just like learning how to receive feedback and Not taking it personally, or being able to like learn and grow from that feedback. The same as true in terms of giving feedback, it's definitely a skill set. If you think about like some of a really great supervisor and a not so great supervisor, some of the defining factors could be like how they approach these kinds of situations. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I, I definitely I can think back to some of the other supervisors I've had and the feedback that I've received. I've received and can tell, like, when someone is is is genuinely putting like thoughtfulness into what they're about to say, versus just saying it and not really thinking about the way in which it's gonna affect you in your work, yeah, or you and just your life in general, because feedback comes from any shape and form. But I mean essentially giving feedback. You want it to be constructive, right? You don't just want to be harsh and just insult the person, because that's not what feedback is. There is the whole goal of it being an Opportunity for improvement, right? You won't definitely are giving somebody a piece of.
Speaker 2:We never say advice as counselors, of guidance, of Support or encouragement right, and it's good feedback, which is a statement. This is meant for improvement, but also to know what was done well and also what can be an area of growth right which is in turn, also a weakness is what we translate that to in the career world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:So what you're talking about is the sandwich that they tell me about it and let's switch from ice cream to sandwich.
Speaker 1:Well, the sandwich method is when you give, you start off with the positive, and then you Talk about the area of improvement, slash weakness, and then you finish off with the positive again. So you're essentially putting in that constructive Feedback in in between two positives, so it the delivery is softer and it's better received.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's worked. I've seen it done by professors, I've seen it done by supervisors I think I've also tried it in in my role as a supervisor or supervised student entrance in my day job and I've tried it and it does it really. It's nice to end it on a positive note too, because, as the person is Ending the session, it's like you still want that positive message to be fresh in their mind as they're leaving your office. But but the, what I'm trying to tell them to develop is still embedded into that conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think individuals, I'm sure, I'm sure all of you have heard before, like people ask, like in movies or in TV shows, like do you want the good or the bad first? Yeah, and then you're like, what like? I think your method, the sandwich method and what you're talking about Really leaves a nice taste in somebody's mouth after feedback and it allows for kind of like. Okay, I do need to work on some areas, but there are also some positives to this as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you know, the reality is, like I said earlier, we all know it's perfect. We all have room for growth and and and development and I and in times when I've given feedback, I've even said that you it's like no one expects you to be perfect. This is all a learning opportunity, especially for the people that I'm supervising. They're student employees so, of course, like, they're here to learn and grow and develop, but that's that's the same for anybody. Even if you've been in your field, for your profession, for over 10 years, this doesn't mean you know everything. You're still gonna learn and grow and develop.
Speaker 1:So, regardless, I think, when giving feedback, and then if it's a personal, so for our audience, like thinking about if you're giving feedback to someone in your personal life, like if it's a friend or or a family member, even so, like, do you expect that person to be perfect? No, hopefully not. Yeah, please don't, hopefully not. And so, going at it with that approach of, like you know, having realistic expectations from people but, at the same time, if you're noticing that there's, there's something about that they're doing, that's like hurting them. That's a legit hurting them. You're going at it from a place of care and you need to make that known so people receive what you're telling them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, god, I love I was. I was just listening to you talking. I was like I love this so much. Oh, this is so good. Yeah, absolutely. Feedback is not. It's also not perfect, right, depending on what it is what you're talking about. It can be personal, it can be professional and it can come at all different levels. And it can come from a friend, it can come from somebody you don't even know.
Speaker 2:On the internet right, but what we really, really want to say with this is it's all about your growth and development right, overall, holistically. Feedback is meant to be constructive. It's supposed to help you in your areas of growth and supposed to help you evolve into the person you're meant to be, and not only in the professional setting, but just holistically as a human being.
Speaker 1:I love that you said the person you're meant to be because, yeah, every experience we have it's ideally getting us closer to who we're meant to be. And even if the feedback is in a professional setting, that could trickle down to personal or vice versa, someone gives you personal feedback that trickles into all other areas of your life. Yeah, absolutely. You know that our life isn't compartmentalized into work, school, personal, etc. It all plays together and if you grow in one area, you're going to grow in another area and eventually you're going to just continue evolving.
Speaker 1:But the message is, yeah, if you receive feedback, it might be a little bit emotional at first and that's okay because, like we showed our experiences, both MJ and I, we also have an emotional reaction to it. But then, taking the time to process it, find someone you can talk about that with, write it in your journal. However, you need to process it, to really try to comprehend why it was given to you and where it was coming from, and maybe try to block out all the other noise of like, well, this person didn't have the same challenges that I did, or this person isn't understanding the different identities, etc. Etc. I think if we try to block out some of that noise and really focus on the message. It could help us really take that feedback and and take parts of what you agree with, that that you want to develop and and you should be developing and growing yeah, I really want to just hone in on the piece you said about it being um.
Speaker 2:You said it can trickle down, which made me think it's all the same water, it's just in a different river and it's just continue flowing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. Remember, feedback is good, it's meant to do good, right, it's meant to be constructive and it's for your overall growth and development.
Speaker 1:We're all just trying to be the best humans we can be yes, and that's all we ask of you all is continue this journey with us. Send us your feedback, feedback and how you reacted to it, or any feedback that shaped you. We would love to hear and get to know you all better. Yeah, absolutely.