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Okay But… How Do I Get Better at Public Speaking?

• Armine & Maria Jose • Episode 72

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We break down why public speaking triggers anxiety and how to turn that energy into presence, clarity, and connection. From slide design and storytelling to the three V’s and audience engagement, we share practical tools to help you speak with confidence without losing yourself.

• performance anxiety drivers and why it feels intense
• career value of clear communication and leadership signals
• presentations at any scale, not just big stages
• simple slide design and message-first structure
• storytelling as a tool for retention and impact
• authenticity and personal brand in delivery
• the three V’s: verbal, vocal, visual and their weight
• eye contact, pacing, pausing, and tone control
• managing nerves with breathing and self-talk
• practice for progress, not perfection
• conversational tactics to engage the room

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SPEAKER_02:

All right, listeners. We want you to know that this is an episode you can share with a friend or colleague that's preparing for a big talk. So enjoy the episode.

SPEAKER_00:

You are listening to Coffee and Career Hour. We are your hosts. I'm Armina. And I'm MJ. Two career counselors and friends chatting about all things life and career. So grab a cup of coffee and join us.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, Armine. Be honest. Have you ever stood up to give a presentation and immediately felt your heart racing, hands sweaty, and suddenly forgot everything you had planned to say?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh, literally, like every time. My brain goes completely blank. Like, who gave me the mic? I did. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02:

But no, you're right. Exactly. Public speaking is one of those things that everybody needs, but most people actually dread it. So today we're gonna break it down for our listeners. How do you go from shaking in stress to confident and clear when it's your turn to speak?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my gosh, I love that because public speaking, I can't tell you how many times it comes up in my conversations with clients, with friends, with anybody that I'm talking to who has to give some kind of presentation, whether it's for a class, for work, whatever level that presentation is, people are always feeling anxious about it. So I'm curious, MJ, why do you think public speaking is so anxiety provoking for people?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Aside from the from what you just mentioned about how involved it is within our every part of our life, right? Whether it's, you know, um a party you're at and you're asked to give a speech, whether it's a presentation you're doing for an interview or a presentation or an opportunity you're facilitating some type of project or something, it is very nerve-wracking for a lot of people because all eyes are on you, right? And you need to look. You need to be the person that has it together and knows what to say. You also have to be very calm. You have to give off this like cool, calm, and collected look. There's a lot of pressure there. And that does build on someone who is either not familiar with doing it very, very often or may feel some type of way before actually engaging in public speaking.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, absolutely. It's that performance anxiety, right? What is everybody thinking of me? What about if I forget the words or I don't sound smart? All these like things that people might be thinking in their minds about public speaking. And you and I have been there ourselves. We know exactly what that feels like. But it is such an important part in our careers and in our just the way society is these days, whether you're thinking of like putting up a reel on social media, for example, or you're in school or in your career, there's so much performance, quote unquote, or in like public speaking that has to happen. So let's talk a little bit about why it's such an important skill set in a person's career development.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, you know, when you engage in public speaking, there is a level of presence that you give off, right? You give off energy, you give off confidence. And to many people, those who can execute public speaking very well are often seen as leaders as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. And you know, leadership is something that is kind of at the forefront of people's minds as they think about their careers, right? Like what's next? Um, am I gonna advance in this space, right? What are future opportunities? So that is such an important like image to present when you're in whatever phase you are in your career. And public speaking is like directly tied to how people see you as a leader or if they see you as somebody that can take on more responsibility in that given space, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I want to say public speaking not only happens at a grand level, right? It can mean you're presenting to 500 people at a conference or you are facilitating a large um, let's say, presentation or meeting for like maybe 50 people or less, but it also happens when you're connecting like in a smaller group. And that is a level of presence you also give off as well. When you're public speaking, you're not just showing your skill set of public speaking, but how you clearly communicate, break down ideas, engage with an audience, right? So it's a multi-layered skill set that you have when you're engaging in public speaking as well, which is why it's so critical because you're not just showing one skill, but many at once.

SPEAKER_01:

I love that you kind of brought it down to it's also in just the way you interact with someone even on a one-on-one scale, right? It doesn't have to be this grand thing. And really when we think about like what employers are looking for, and we talk about this a lot throughout the podcast and previous episodes too, about the concept of skills-based hiring and how employers value somebody who can communicate effectively, uh, whatever scale that may be, right? Or somebody who can get their ideas across clearly. And that's really at the core of what public speaking is. So today we want to talk a little bit about how people can clearly and effectively communicate and quote unquote speak in public settings.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. One of those ways, and we've talked about it, I think we've referenced it multiple times already, is through presentations, right? A presentation can be something that can be accompanied with a slide deck, or it is just an oral presentation of information you're sharing, of new ideas that you're also offering as well. So presentations are a huge part because they're probably half of the content of what you're going to share with someone. And it's important to understand how to create something that can engage multiple audiences or the direct audience or population that you're working with, but also how to get your message across.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, when when we think about, I guess I'm curious, like when you do your presentations too, um day, how do you normally structure your thoughts to make sure that the message goes across clearly?

SPEAKER_02:

I love that question because over the last, let's see, how old am I? Over the last eight years, I want to say, maybe um like six years, I've grown a lot in the space of public speaking. Not only through the work that I do, but through career confidence, I've had to work and create presentations for various different populations, breaking down um complex ideas in the world of career development, right, for younger audiences. And when I do that, in my brain, it makes complete sense what I'm trying to do. But when we're thinking intentionally about who we're talking with, you kind of have to center yourself and understand what is the message you want to get across. So for me, it really comes down to what is the main point or what are the few things of themes that I kind of want to focus on and how can I begin to engage this audience on this idea or concept that they're here for, that they may want to be here for, or that they were also like, I don't want to say forced, but encouraged to also be here for too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think that's such an important point of like making note of who is listening to you because the information needs to be digestible for the person in front of you, right? I was challenged with this recently through Career Rise when I had to develop career content for a much younger audience. Uh I'm typically used to working with adult populations, college students, right? And then this project that I had taken on, I'm developing content for anybody from middle school all the way to maybe mid-20s. So I had to think about how I can extend my expand my horizons, the language I'm using, the slide dex I'm putting together has to be relatable to a middle schooler and a high schooler and like an 18, 20-year-old individual. So it was a challenge for me and a stretch, but I a good one that I really enjoyed learning.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, a couple tips I think we can offer for you creating for our for you, our listeners, creating presentations and you know, taking these like large concepts. Um, something I did very early on, and this is totally natural to do, was I would jam-pack. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna think of a traditional presentation with a slide deck. That's kind of where I'm gonna go with this. So I want you to also envision that too. For those of you listening, I would jam-pack that slide deck with text when I was younger because I was so reliant. I would use my slide deck as a crutch, right? And I would jam pack it with all the information, I would cite it all as a college student and made sure whatever I talked about was regurgitated on the slide as well. I did that for a couple of reasons. I think I've gotten so much better over the years, but I also wanted to think about the different ways people learn, right? And something that I often would come back to is is this? And I would ask myself is is this the easiest and simplest way to get this message across or this information? Because you want to keep it simple. No matter how complex it is, you're gonna have different engagement levels through your audience. And you want to come back to is this, like you said, is this information simple, digestible for this population? So whatever idea you're working with or accompaniment in terms of tools, make sure it's easy and it's clear for those engaged.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's it's so funny because when we think of like a really well thought out presentation, we may think of like very content-heavy. Yeah. Make sure there's all this research and data and all these things to back up what you're saying. But ultimately what sticks with people is more of like that relatable content. Yeah. That's a little bit simpler and really the story aspect, which is what I've come to learn over time too. And there's actually big um uh books about this too, on how important storytelling is in getting your message across. Because humans, we connect through stories, right? And we may forget all of the like quote unquote practical information that's being shared with us, but that one story that um the presenter is sharing is something that we will stick with, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, a hundred percent. Story sharing is something that has become more and more prevalent as we have wanted to connect with individuals with the added use of technology. We have that is the one way we choose to connect with each other, just sharing our stories. And you mentioned something about like, you know, we may not remember the math. I'm thinking about, you know, um, someone in my life who's very logical and his presentations are always very like white and black, you know, very equation heavy. He's also a scientist, all these different things. And mine are very colorful or like very, you know, like fun, I guess, not to say that he's not fun, but kind of. Um, and it's not what you're getting at Armin A's. It's not necessarily the language or the information we want them to exactly know, but it's also the way they felt, how we made them feel, the things we made them think, right? Our audience, for example, is not to just show them or teach them about content or topics we know as career counselors, but it's how to transform yourself through your personal brand, how to share your assets and your values and your strengths to an employer, right? Not just how to know what they are and how to communicate them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. It's the impact you leave on every single person that you're interacting with on a larger or smaller scale. So I love that. And I like that you connected that to a personal brand because it is, you know, your brand, depending on how people feel after interacting with you. That's a big part of what your brand is.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I want to say to you very quickly on that note, please, when you're whatever we're, well, I shouldn't say wherever. So let's hold on, let's dial this back. Please make sure to include your authentic and original self in each time you present. I say that being someone who constantly tells people when I'm giving presentations, please note I am not your traditional lecturer. I'm here to have a conversation with you and share information that can be valuable to help you grow in any type of way. So I include humor. I include, you know, silly things that happen to me on a daily basis or examples that I believe are gonna be relatable with the population I'm working with. And I want the listeners, I want our listeners to know that though those aren't things that should be absent in your presentations. Of course, if you are presenting for an interview, if you're giving a more formal presentation for your job or a client maybe you're working with or a company in that sense, keep that level of professionalism and appropriateness. But it's also okay to still be you throughout this process.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think that's where the disconnect is for a lot of folks, where they may start to feel that anxiety is because they start to lose themselves in in that presentation, right? And and they worry that, oh, if I say the wrong word or if I crack a joke here, then they're not gonna take me seriously, or uh all these other limiting beliefs that people might have around their ability to be a good presenter or speaker. And ultimately it is you can still be professional, but throw in a joke where appropriate, or or make eye contact, or say something silly, but still it's overall a professional presentation, and that's totally okay. Even in interviews, we always talk about that too. Be yourself, it's okay, smile. Um, that those are those you're dealing with people, and it's that emotional connection from one human to the other that makes sense. So authenticity really is the secret sauce here, too.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, Armin, I do want to stop for a second because there are also some very important parts of public speaking that are a little bit more logistical, if you were to say, right? Things that you definitely want to include or aspects that you really, really want to pay attention to. And those revolve around the three B's. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And those are verbal, vocal, and visual. Now, this is based off of a lot of research that has been done by psychologists in the space who study communication, and they have found specifically the one psychologist I'm referring to, is Albert Myrapion, and he's from UCLA, and he has found that there's these three key elements, the three V's, right? And how much impact each of those concept each of those concepts has in a person's presentation. So, for example, there is research, she found that verbal, what you're actually saying, the actual words you're saying, only makes 7% of impact on your audience. I thought that was super shocking. What do you think, I'm doing?

SPEAKER_02:

I think so too, because when we're thinking about what you say, I'm always paying attention to like, am I understanding, right? Like, what are the words? What is the language? How are they sharing um and dissecting these different things? So that's the fact that it's under 10% is pretty shocking to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I know. I was like, oh my gosh, so it doesn't even matter. All those words you're putting on the slides, it does not matter. The other one is vocal, which is your tone, your energy, your pace, and that's about 38% impact.

SPEAKER_02:

I I absolutely agree that this is more than 25%. Just because, you know, just as a career counselor, these are elements tone, pace, pause, energy, um, those are all things I pay attention to when working, you know, in mock interviews with clients or providing interview prep strategy. These are things we focus on because how you how you present yourself does come across a lot of the time vocally, right? And how you share things. If I'm talking really, really, really, really fast, I can show off, be off as nervous or exciting. Or if I'm like high, high, high energy, I may not match what the person in front of me or the audience in front of me has. And that also can put be off-putting too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah. The talking fast is a really common thing I see for interviews and for presentations both, because it's where when we get nervous, we're trying to like get through this, right? Like, hey, I just want to do this and be done with it. And and it really takes away from the experience and how people are experiencing you in that space.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I remember once someone shared with me, I was so in my head about a presentation. And afterward, I had practiced like a million times. I can't tell you. It was a very, it was one of the first big presentations I gave. And they they commented, someone I look up to dearly commented, commented afterward and was like, your tone, your pace, your pauses were perfect. Your alliteration was perfect. And I was like, oh my gosh. Like, I'm so glad they shared that with me because I was in my head the whole time. But the fact that I had put so much effort into the practice as it makes progress for what I'm doing, it showed through the audience and they were able to recognize that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. I love that. Okay, the third V is visual. And that is your body language, your facial expressions, and essentially what they're seeing in front of them, right? As the audience. And that's, can you guess how many percent that is, MJ?

SPEAKER_02:

I'm gonna go with if we know the others are like 38 and for vocal. I'm sorry, vocal seven and um verbal. I'm mixing the two. Verbal is seven and vocal is 38. I'm gonna have to say this one has to be closer to 60.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you're pretty close. It's about 55% uh visual. Um, so what that tells us is people are really paying attention to how you show up first, like physically, and and if you are comfortable in your own skin, if you're comfortable in front of an audience or in front of one-on-one, um, they're taking in a lot of already that information and the impact that you're making on them just from that visual before you even start saying words and and then your tone and everything else comes comes after.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. One thing that comes to my mind specifically when it comes to body language and facial expression is eye contact. I know that during, you know, presenting in public speaking, eye contact is something huge. If you're in a smaller audience, um, you know, when you're younger and you're very, very, very nervous to present, there you're taught to like look at the back of the room, right? Or like imagine people are all wearing like um like silly birthday hats or something, right? To kind of ease the nerves. But as you grow older and continue to do this, eye contact is paid more attention to, right? And it's gonna look different. Everybody has a different level of um comfortability when it comes to eye contact, but that's also a form of body language and how you engage with someone, right? Looking at them or or looking um near their face, I should just say, is showing them that you're trying to connect with them. And that's very, very important as you're trying to get a message across.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh, that is such an important piece. Even in uh, I was recently talking about this with clients, even in let's say that first meeting that you have with someone, let's say you're going to a networking event or a job fair or something and you're gonna talk to a recruiter, that first moment where you're introducing yourself, you're shaking their hand, it's so important to maintain eye contact in that moment, right? Because they're connecting with you. Why do you think a lot of times when someone introduces themselves to me, I immediately forget what their name is? I oh that always happens to me, but it happens because I'm actually taking in all of the physical information that I'm getting. Their eye contact, how their energy is all of that, right? We're talking about visual and vocal, is over about 90% of the communication, right? So I'm not hearing the words they're saying. Hi, my name is X, because that's only 7% of what I'm taking in. Everything else is what how I'm experiencing that energy.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow. I that is honestly, that is very true to who you are. So I can vouch. And that's very true when we're thinking about, and that goes back to, right? It's not about what people are saying, but it's about how they made you feel the experience you had when engaging with them. So it just goes to show you, right, um, what that looks like as well. But we talked a lot about how public speaking can bring a lot of emotions to individuals, right? And and we started off this conversation with how it can be, you know, quite terrifying for some people. Um, I will tell you, and and public speaking is in all different spaces, like I mentioned. I will tell you, preparing my vows and speaking my vows in front of my family and closest friends was probably one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. And I give presentations literally every other day for more than an hour long, probably. Right. I teach, I give lectures. It's not something that I'm not used to, but it does bring a lot of emotions, right? And of course, vows at a wedding is very, in your own vows, is very different than public speaking and teaching high school students about resume development or, you know, training individuals on different career development topics. So there's a level of anxiety that kind of comes with any type of public speaking. And first, I want to acknowledge that that's normal. It's totally normal for you to feel anxious, for you to also acknowledge that too, because that can help how you navigate the rest of the public speaking space too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean, the first step is accepting, right? Like this is something that can that that makes me stressed, that makes me anxious. And first of all, that's okay. You're a human being. And yeah, it is a performance-based situation that you're in. So nothing wrong with feeling anxious. Um, it doesn't mean that you're not prepared. It doesn't mean that you're not knowledgeable enough or anything like that. It's just a natural reaction. But then once you normalize it, what would you say, MJ, is is some tips that our listeners can take with them to help manage their anxiety in that moment?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I'd say some basic human responses. So, for example, breathing, right? Like taking kind of a step back. Um, deep breathing is very important. I think that helps a lot. Something that I really like to do is um put my hand on my stomach and feel my breath come in and out. It really helps um keep me present in those moments of nerves. Um, I've also seen people use different forms of fidgone when they're speaking to, it helps them kind of center that nervousness with their hands. Of course, if we're thinking about like um physicalness being observed, that's one thing to think about. Something else that I've I've heard people recommend a ton, I will say to you, I've actually never done it is the power stance where you are like, you know, like Superman pose, um, hands on the hips, uh, and kind of like chest out. I've never done that, but I hear people recommend it all the time. And then something else is like that personal pep talk, right? About how great you are. Here's something I have done. Here's something I have done. And I will confess this before giving a huge presentation or a presentation for an interview, I have pre-recorded a message, a voice memo for myself, telling myself how great I did. And no matter what the outcome was, I was well prepared. I know I did really well, and that you should be proud of yourself. So there is like the pep talk right before, but there's also like something you can record for yourself before to also hear it after too.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, that's precious. I love that. That is very true to who you are. Um, and I remember when you were talking about interviews too in a previous episode, how you did a pep talk for yourself as well before interviews of you know, I'm qualified. I know how to do this well, and I'm I'm great at what I do, and it seems like it's it's worked for you.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you have to a lot of the time when you're entering the space, right, doing something that maybe gives you a lot of anxiety, interviewing, giving a presentation, you're gonna get down on yourself. Why? Because it's the easier thing to do, right? It's harder to give to throw facts at ourselves and speak truth than it is to, I'm sorry. It's it's harder to do that and it's easier to just be like, yeah, you know, like I don't, I'm not great at public speaking, but I have to do this. And it feels like a forced movement rather than something you are leaning into to explore and strengthen yourself on, right? Which is why I really believe that practice, no matter what type of level of practice it is, doesn't make perfect, but it makes a lot of progress for yourself.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. It does because when you're practicing, you're not necessarily trying to memorize the content, you're more so trying to understand how I am delivering this so it's relatable to the audience. And how can you focus on the message and the transitions from one point to the other or one story to the other, right? Those those are the most important pieces. And when you're practicing, you get comfortable with using that language, you get comfortable with just saying what your what your message is, but not necessarily scripting it and memorizing it word for word. I think that's what gets people into even more anxiety a lot of the time, because in that when you're in the performance space, your anxiety gets the best of you, you forget what you're gonna say, and then you get even more nervous because you're like, oh my gosh, what was that next word that I was supposed to say? And you blank out. It's very, it's natural, but there's a lot of chemicals and hormones happening in your brain in that moment. So it's it's inevitable that you're gonna forget if you're trying to memorize it word for word.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that happened to me last year. I was invited to do a keynote address, and I had never done that before. And I wrote like I wrote everything I was gonna say out, and I spent a week straight reading it four times before bed and like doing my best to not give it word by word, but like have the ideas flow the way they did. And I remember on that stage, I swear to you, I remember the the moment where I missed the one of the most important parts, and it was because I was forcing myself to do this, and I wasn't allowing MJ to be her natural self because I was I was so freaked out at the sense that this was such a big opportunity at this level. But then, you know, like a year later when I was asked to do another speech at a graduation, like it was so different, and I remember preparing differently for that because I had had that previous experience. So it really does help when you are not forcing yourself to memorize um word by word, because then you lose that message, you lose the whole point of it all, right? Um, what's most important again, going back to those three V's is who you are.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, absolutely. I love that. So for our audience, MJ, let's say that like, okay, I understand that I need to be authentic. I understand that I need to focus on the message and not memorize my script, and that anxiety is normal and natural in this process, and they start practicing how to develop like an impactful message when they're presenting. What are some things that they can do to help with taking that presentation to the next level, maybe engaging their audience and making it more conversational rather than just them up in the front lecturing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So um, I want to say these are like very quick pointers to help you, right? And again, we're thinking about a slide deck, we're thinking about you delivering some content here. So definitely if you're having a slide deck, do not overcomplicate it. Honestly, if you can use images more than you can use words, that's gonna come across a lot better, right? So thinking about what that could be. And if you need some text, don't overcrowd it, right? We always say that anytime you give a presentation, it's always more important what the person speaking is saying than what's on the slides, right? Traditionally, that's kind of the message you get across. So always keep that in the back of your mind. What you say is gonna be more important than what's on the slide itself or on the tool you're using. Slow down, right? In the practice and try to keep your breast present mindset when presenting to keep yourself at a smooth calm pace, not too, too slow, right? We're not trying to put the audience to rest, but we are trying to keep them engaged, but not show them that we're rushed to get to the finish line. And something else is I would say it's okay to have notes. Sometimes I still do that. Sometimes I have full presentation slides in front of me. But you want to limit that as much as possible because that's gonna overstimulate the anxiety and in a sense force you to feel like you have to use the words, no uh word for the notes word for word to kind of get through this presentation, which don't give off a great visualization example for those who are listening to this as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I I totally agree with that. I am someone who likes to have something physical with me when I'm presenting because it gives me comfort. I 98% of the time don't even look at what paper is in front of me, but just having it with me gives me a little bit of comfort. So that could be something that you just use metaphorically. It's like, you know, you have notes, you don't need those notes, but they're there. And also, I do like to have the presentation slides just so I can quickly glance to see what's coming next so I can do my transitions. And that that's what helps me with okay, to make sure that my story makes sense from one slide to the next so it's not choppy. Yeah. Like to do that. But another thing I would say definitely to help with making presentations more conversational, more authentic is engaging your audience. Like, don't be afraid to ask them questions. Yes, yeah. You know, we were talking about like main. Maintaining eye contact. When you're maintaining that eye contact, you can also then ask that person in the audience a question. And then it just brings everybody's attention. Even if somebody's facing out, they're like, oh, what's going on? Let me let me pay attention. And it just takes the presentation to a whole other level.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's I love that you mentioned that because asking questions, doing the check-in, right? Like, how are we doing? Are we feeling okay? Where are we? Does anybody have any thoughts so far? And something I like to do at the end is just to also ensure that I engage this group appropriately is say, before you ask me questions, let me ask you some questions, right? To kind of see where they got what they got from me. And it's almost like a live survey just to see how I did and if I got my message across too. So if you're comfortable doing that, that's something to kind of think about. But public speaking is not easy, right? It's definitely a skill strengthened over time. And we want to make sure that our listeners are well prepared, but also that we acknowledge you. If this is something that you're struggling with, that we have some tips to help you prepare for that too.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. It is a skill that you develop over time. And it's not anything where if you're feeling anxious, if you feel like, oh, I didn't do my best in this presentation, that means I'm no good at presentations and you know I'm never gonna improve. It's not like that. It is a skill you develop over time. So take all of what we're saying, practice your presentations, and what we want to leave you with is know why you're speaking, know what message you're trying to get across, what brand you're trying to put out there in your interactions with people. Keep it simple and most importantly, stay authentic to yourself. Thank you so much for listening. If you enjoy our show, we ask that you write a review on Apple Podcasts to help us reach more people looking to level up their career.

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Follow CareerRise on Instagram for career advice and motivation to help you stay up to date on all things career. Be sure to also visit my website, careerise.org, to book a career counseling package and access free career resources. My goal is to help you clarify your goals, make a plan, and feel confident in your career journey.

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You can follow me on Instagram at Career ConfidentLatina for your daily dose of career advice and my journey as a first generation Latina counselor. You can access free resources or even work with me by visiting my website, careerconfidence.online. I want to help you grow your confidence and help you reach your career dreams. Adios.