The Executive’s Guide to Holistic Leadership Capacity | Justin Roethlingshoefer | Episode 221

Episode 221: Justin Roethlingshoefer Final - The Executive’s Guide to Holistic Leadership Capacity

In this inspiring health podcast, we explore the Holy Health Academy, a three-month program designed to foster spiritual growth. This Christian podcast highlights understanding your identity in God and interpreting your body's signals, like your heartbeat, as a form of divine communication. Discover how to embrace divine wellness and healing scriptures for a purposeful life.

Discover how to align scripture and science for holy health and unlock your full leadership potential. In this powerful episode, Justin Roethlingshoefer, author of "Holy Health," reveals the profound connection between spiritual obedience and physical well-being, challenging executive leaders to move beyond performance-driven living to a life of abundant capacity.

This masterclass dissects the critical corporate bottleneck of fragmented well-being, where leaders often compartmentalize faith and health. Justin provides a transformative framework for integrating mind, body, and spirit, enabling you to build sustainable rhythms that fuel your calling and prevent burnout, ultimately driving unparalleled team performance and executive resilience.

🚀 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐘𝐨𝐮’𝐥𝐥 𝐋𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧:
• Uncover the "Seven D's": Identify the subtle tactics that distract, disconnect, and deplete leaders, hindering their true impact.

• Master the Who, What, How, Why Framework: Learn to prioritize identity over action, ensuring your habits align with your divine purpose.

• Optimize Your Sleep for Peak Performance: Understand the science behind God's design for rest and detoxification, transforming your evenings into sacred preparation for abundant living.

• Shift from Habits to Rhythms: Discover why new habits fail in old systems and how to cultivate sustainable rhythms that support holistic health and leadership longevity.

• Witness Real-World Transformation: Hear the inspiring journey of Brandon Lake and other leaders who have surrendered their health to God, unlocking new levels of capacity and impact.


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Transcript

Holy Health Academy Overview

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Yeah, so Holy Health Academy is a three-month program that really takes on an actual journey that the Lord watch you do is who does God Say You Are? Session one's all about that. Who God says you are. That's really the title of it. Then it goes into the language of the body. Parade variability. Let's understand that. Let's learn to speak the language that the Lord put inside of your body so that you could ultimately use it to be stewarded in a better way. Then we go to God's design for health and healing. Like, what is his design for health and healing? There is a legitimate design that scripture said that a lies with science, and let's learn that. Let's understand that. Then sessions four and five are all about holy habits one and holy rhythms one, and then all about holy habits two and holy rhythms two. How do we divide and conquer? How do we create unification in how we live with rhythms and habits plugged in place, new rhythms, new habits done over the course of an entire month, focusing on building new habits, new rhythms that are aligned with how God says health and healings happen.

Meet Justin And The Mission

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And then back in late 2023, we talked about his best-selling book, The Power of Ownership. And since then, his mission has evolved into something much deeper, much more profound, and incredibly urgent for the days we're living in. This is Justin Rothling Schoefer, the founder of Ownit Coaching and a pioneer in data-driven health strategy. Today, Justin's pulling back the curtain on his new book, Holy Health. Now, what he talks about here in terms of the mantra is this is where scripture meets science. I can't wait to talk about this more. But he's here to challenge the narrative that chronic exhaustion, burnout, and anxiety are just the cost of doing business. And he's here to show us that stewardship of the body is an ultimate act of worship. So if you're tired of leading from exhaustion and ready to start leading from overflow, you're going to want to stay the whole time to hear from my coach and friend, Justin Rothling Schofer. Justin, welcome back to the Uscoma Leader Podcast. Great to have you on the show, man. How are you doing today? John, it's so good to be here. I just love spending time with you. I think it's going to be great. I am excited. Again, the third time through, I know it's going to get better each and every time for the listeners that that jump in. We're going to talk about your new book today, but before we get into that, I always like to talk to folks about stories that have them on their journey.

From Eating Disorder To Warnings

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Inside of your book, you were told you would not get to the age of 35 in terms of living. Tell me a little bit about that story and how that impacted you, not just as uh an athlete and what was going on, but as a Christian and the in the world that you're in today. I think a lot of times we live our lives not knowing the unknown consequences of every daily decisions and the daily actions that we make. And um, when I look back on this, that was kind of again what the Lord pointed out to me across my first, well, at this point, 37 years of living. But uh was a fat kid, became the anorexic kid, uh, had liver kidney failure at 16 years old. And uh I still remember that time being in the hospital. Um and the biggest thing that stood out was everybody looked at me, every specialist, every psychologist, every health expert, every eating disorder clinic, they just looked at me as like a problem to solve and not a person to heal. And the second thing that jumped out at me was everything was disintegrated. Nobody was treating me as a whole person. What I talked to the psychologist about was different than the eating disorder clinic dealt with. And it was like so disoriented. And even once I was dismissed from the clinic, and it's like, oh, you're healing, things are good, you're getting better. I still struggled with a lot of the underlying tones of why I got there in the first place. Um, I had addictive behaviors, I had addictive tendencies, I had OCD mindsets and thought processes that kept me in these spaces. I had identity issues that were tied to performance. I had, I sought that my value is solely based on what I did. And so even as I left and I sought after education for good, undergraduate degrees, master's degree, postgraduate research, all in pursuit of not having somebody else go down the same road I did. When I got into the NHL as a director of health and performance, those same vices still sat with me. The addiction to work, the addiction to um striving, the performance heart that caused me to want to do more, be the first one to the office, the last one to leave, because that was what again drove me to push myself to the limits and not listen to the ancient wisdom and the infinite wisdom that my body actually had. And for everything that I was validated for publicly, my body was screaming at me privately, and I didn't listen to it. And so all of a sudden, as everyone's like, Oh, you're the picture of health, everything's going well, your career is blossoming, everything's awesome. I had headaches that wouldn't go away. I spent three to four hours in the bathroom every day because um anything I ate just ran through me and I would bloat like a fish. I would wake up with constant low back pain and shoulder pain and body aches. I'd forget why I'd walk into rooms with a purpose of going in there because my brain fog was so heavy. This was my normal day-to-day. And I couldn't figure out what it was, but yet at the same time, I just called it normal. That's what working hard is all about. That's what building business and striving and serving people is all about. And ultimately, I had this epiphany one night, just literally heard the voice of God so clearly. Why don't you do the same thing for yourself that you've been doing so long for your athletes? I was like, hmm, that's maybe an interesting thought. And so started to look at all the data, all the numbers. Everything was a fraction of where it should have been. And lo and behold, about three weeks later, was able to ask a few more questions. We know the answer is always a question. Jesus showed that to us really well. And they found four precancerous polyps in my colon and a bleeding precancerous ulcer in my stomach, and was told I wouldn't see 35. And that was really that journey that started not a year or two prior, but started back when I was 12 years old and made that deal with the devil to get rid of all of the teasing and all of the other things. I didn't I've glossed over that story a little bit, but as a fat kid, you can imagine being teased and made fun of and all of these things for four or five years incessantly. I I was getting undressed in a locker room right after one of our hockey games, and the teasing just continued, and I was crying in the corner, and I heard this voice in the side of my head, and it's it's how I start the book, Holy Health, is with a letter from the devil. And I think it's just so powerful, and it makes me emotional as I even sit here. Is because as that 12-year-old boy, I heard this voice in my head, and it was like, I can make all of this go away. And I said, Yes, I'm in, whatever it takes. And it was that day that the devil the deal with the devil came because the only thing for the next 20 years that came after that was addiction, anorexia, liver kidney failure, anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, precancerous polyps, ulcers. It was just next thing after next after next after next, but it all started with what happened at 12 years old. You know, and the the love of that story again is that a lot of folks will kind of write these books, these health books that exist, and you know, they are healthy in of themselves, but not necessarily have come from a place that's really and are willing to share that story where they came from and how, as odd as it sounds, the way that you're helping others is how you helped yourself. You know, you were you were in that perfect position to be able to help others. And that's the book Holy Health Habits and Rhythms to Heal Your Body and Transform Your Life. So you end up ultimately turning this over to God as you went forward. I love the start of the book, the devil's playbook. You talk about those things that get in our way, the seven Ds. When I'm teaching folks, I talk about the seven Ds. They're not these. He'll distract you, disconnect you, divide you, discourage you, deplete you, disqualify you, and ultimately destroy you. And that's what he was saying to you in that voice on 12 years old. Yeah. Yeah, he's he's incessant. We know that the enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy, but Jesus came to give us life and life abundantly. We know that's the promise. And if we truly believe that the Holy Spirit lives inside of us, then what do we think the enemy's gonna attack first? It's always gonna be this thing that is carrying the calling that's on our life. And it was never about optimizing this thing, worshiping this thing, obsessing over this thing. It was about using it as a tool to carry out the calling that was on our life. So our purpose should always be to build capacity. How can we give this thing capacity to carry that calling? And how can we do it as a form of worship to the one who gave it to us in the first place? And I love that. And that's a theme. I mean, right off the bat in the book, you said this book is for the overlooked, those who were told their pain was in their head, their exhaustion was weakness, and their struggle was simply the price of a busy life. For the ones who have felt off by the dismissed and unseen by the very systems designed to help them. I gotta believe that as leaders listening in on this podcast, as business leaders, when you listen to those two sentences, you can hear that. We're not equipped, if you will, to share what's in that. We're equipped to build this facade that says everything's okay. And you're writing that to tell folks it doesn't have to be that way. And I love that as a purpose. And my guess is there was that a moment for you where you kind of turned it over to

The Surrender Moment In Brooklyn

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him. Was there something specific in that in that journey that said, I gotta do this different. I gotta turn this over to him. Yeah, I write about this. Yeah, I write about this in the book. Uh, and I think this is just the way the Lord works. Um, I had just come out of surgery, and again, remember, all of this kind of culminated together at the same time, where um left the NHL, got surgery for the polyps as well as the ulcer. And I was laying in Brooklyn in my wife and I's apartment. And as I was laying there, for the first time ever, like fear struck me, going, My gosh, my career is over. Everything I ever wanted, everything that I put my identity in, because my identity was in this three-letter league, the National Hockey League, that lived on my chest. And that's where my worth and value came from that showed me that I was significant, that I was, that I had that I was impressive. Now it was gone. I didn't know where my health was at because the only thing that I've been told is that I wouldn't see 35, and now we gotta go get surgery, and now we gotta figure out what is happening next. And we had lived there for probably I don't know, four months, and I didn't know that we were a block and a half from the Brooklyn Tabernacle. And um I saw this, as crazy as it sounds, I saw this bus driving by. You know, in New York City, everything has an advertisement on it. And so I saw this bus drive by and it said world class choir, Brooklyn Tabernacle, come listen. I was like, oh, this sounds interesting. Like it sound looks really cool. Like I've heard about this. My mom sent me some stuff like years ago on this, and I didn't know what it was. It's a block away. Well, I said to my wife, let's go and let's uh let's let's go attend. Let's see, let's go listen to this thing. Not even like, hey, let's go worship, let's go like be there just for the sake of it. But we walked in, and this very particular day, Phil Wickham was the guest, and Phil starts singing this song, and I just start weeping, and I've got goosebumps everywhere, and it's like I just have this Holy Spirit moment, and it's everything's gonna be okay. And it it just it just hit me. And I say it's like this full circle moment, and how kind God is is like that was the pinnacle moment for me at 29 years old or 30 years old. And suddenly, seven years later, he has me serving Phil Wickham as a health coach, guiding him and leading him. And so I say that to say, like, what a cool thing this is, and the only thing that follows obedience is blessing. And I look back on this, and it's just like the Lord needed me to go through this to understand how I needed to design my life, habits, behaviors, life rhythms, using them as worship so that I could build capacity to carry the call that was on my life, which is to redeem the health of the world one person at a time. And if we can do that God's way, then my goodness, the only outcome that we have is to heal, to thrive, and to live life and life abundantly. That's so that's so great. Who'd have thought the New York transit system would have that much impact on a life and so many lives that are going in? I loved I love hearing that story. Your mind is kind of like God found me in the checkout line at the grocery store or in downtown New York City on the side of a bus, even better. I don't think there's anything belt, anything better than that. So I could talk stories forever, and I need to keep going on

Ending The Faith And Health Split

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my questions. You talk about holy health being where scripture meets science. Okay. So in leadership, as we talk about this many times, again, this is probably one of those distractions or divisions that exist in the devil's journal, but we're kind of taught to um keep our faith on one shelf, if you will, and keep our health and this other stuff on another shelf, keep them divided. You're saying that the power is when those two things meet. Tell tell me about that and what you've really learned with regards to when scripture meets science. Yeah, and I think you I think you just did such a beautiful job, John, like talking about it. That is literally the devil's design. He remember, the devil is Lucifer. Lucifer was also an angel, but Lucifer wanted the power. He wasn't okay succumbing to who and and saying who Jesus actually was and who God actually was. He wanted that power. They theoretically could have lived in eternity forever together. But that wasn't the outcome. There was a division that happened immediately. And so that is his goal is to distract you so that he can disconnect you, disconnect you from God, and disconnect you from who God says you are. And the moment he can disconnect you from who God says you are, it creates division in your life. Duplicity is what I call it. Simplicity creates freedom, duplicity creates a prison. And first thing that gets imprisoned is our heart. We have a performance heart, a perfector heart, a protector heart, a pleaser heart, or a pessimistic heart. Those are the five hearts that we develop when we get into prison based upon how we've been acting and behaving. And when we start to see those two things business and faith, life and faith on two separate pedestals, what occurs is a life of duplicity. The way we rise, the way we train, the way we eat, the way we live, the way we act, the way that we build relationships is different than how we react on Sunday and when we walk through the church. Or it's different than how we sit and how we do things. And I got a perfect example of this. I had a, I was on a plane coming home last night, and there was this lady sitting beside me reading. I just looked over, she was reading you version on her phone. Like, so she was reading reading the Bible in a devotional. And she's reading this Bible, and it's like, oh, what an amaz like a display of faith reading scripture, taking time on a plane to read this. Awesome. Now there's a difference of checking a box and saying I did it for allowing scripture and the words to be retained and to change us. Because not 30 seconds after she closed her phone and put it away, there was a baby about two rows back screaming and going crazy. It had been happening for about 40 minutes. And this girl, if I could tell you, if looks could kill, we'd all be dead. Because she gave the nastiest look to me and the rowback, shook her head. The lady walks by with the stewardess walks by with snacks, and she says, I'll have the chocolate. Like, not hey, excuse me, could I please grab the chocolate? Like just if it doesn't change you, has it really transformed you? And this is where we get to come back to are we living our faith? What are your hallelujahs? Hallelujah are not just sung on Sunday and sat in in and sat in the pew. Hallelujah's are how are we living? What does that look like? And so when we say use your health as worship, and go back to Romans 12, 1 and 2. Therefore, brothers and sisters, use your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. This is your true and proper worship. This is what he looks for. How are you living? Do not be or um do not conform to the ways of the world, do not conform to the patterns of the world, but rather be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Because that's how you'll know his good, perfect, and pleasing will. And so we do not go and do the habits and behaviors that the world tells us and they're okay and they're justified. Rather, if we truly want to be different, if we truly want to be living in alignment and realize the promise of life and life abundantly, we have to do things differently. We have to be transformed by the ruining of our mind, which again, mind and heart, it's that connection that has to happen. You go back in Hebrews, mind was simply another word to say heart. So we he's always been after our heart, he's the king of our heart. And so, how do we allow ourselves to get connected, to be unified in one mental, physical, spiritual, emotional, so that we can actually find that breakthrough? And when we talk about in holy health the aligning of science and scripture together, scripture has always known what science is trying to prove. And I can give you some examples as I think. Yeah, give me an example.

Sleep As God’s First Rhythm

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Yeah. So, for example, we know sleep is important. We know that it's not news to us. We know that when we're sleeping, there's something in the body that's the way it was designed called the lymphatic system. The glymphatic system is like the garbage man for the cells that grab all of the toxins, get it out into the transport centers. Basically, we only emit toxins from the body four ways stool, urine, breath, and sweat. And so the lymphatic system is the thing that ultimately takes that off and gets gets them into their appropriate places to do that. Well, the glymphatic system only turns on during our deepest sleep stages, REM and slow wave sleep. Well, what garners or what governs whether we get into that? The circadian rhythm. Basically the cortisol and melatonin cycle. Well, what did God create first? Let there be light. Light and darkness. It was the first rhythm that God ever created. Not only was it the first rhythm that he first created, but he says evening came, morning came first day. We think our days start when we wake up and they end when we collapse into bed and exhaustion. No, no, no, no, no. Evenings are sacred time. It says the sun, the moon, and the stars on the fourth day created sacred rhythms. So the evening is sacred. It's something that we use to prepare for sleep, which honors the first rhythm, which was night and darkness, which is ultimately when the circadian rhythm is activated, which is ultimately when the lymphatic system was turned on, which is ultimately when we get to detoxify ourselves so that we can live abundantly. You see this together and you're like, my gosh, even before he created us on day six, he had all of this thought about. And science has only ever proved what the scripture has only ever told us. But because we don't understand and we keep them separate, we battle and we say, Oh, yeah, I'll sleep when I'm dead. And if we keep that thought process, then yes, your death time is going to come a lot sooner than if you just lived the way that God created us and designed us. I love that. That's so good. And that's that you you touched on one of the things in here that I think is really interesting, the commitment bridge. Because we we set it aside. As leaders, we are so good. And again, whether this is a business leader or ministry leader, we set it aside. Something as important as sleep. We don't see it as important. Your data

Habits Versus Rhythms That Stick

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was very simple. Over 70% of churchgoers have multiple issues. And they pray for it, but they have no plan. They take no, they take no step to move toward it. Multiple health issues in terms of issues, but they don't have a plan. God, please provide me with health, but they need to have a plan. Philippians 4.8 says, think positive things, absolutely. But 4.9 says put it into practice, what's inside the word as well. So now we're now we're moving that into science as well in terms of the habits. So let's stay on sleep for a second. Very important. Just real quick, like pragmatically, your book does this all the way through, which is really good. It's a habit that could turn into a rhythm to help us move from overburden and not getting rest to getting rest. What's a habit? I want to touch on something that you just said because I think it's really important because you said, tell me a habit and a rhythm that's going to help with this. And I want to distinct this for people because what happens so often is there's a lot of really great habit books out there: atomic habits, tiny habits, habits that stick. These are all really they're great books. But what happens is we try to put new habits into old disordered rhythms. And we wonder why the habits don't retain, why they don't stick, why they don't become sustainable. We go back to scripture. Again, BJ Fogg and science would say, even you go into James Clear, would say that habits have to have systems. Systems are simply another word for rhythms. But because our systems and our rhythms are out of whack, the new habits can't stick. That's what science, BJ Fogg, and um James Clear would say. You go to scripture, that would say new wine can't go into old wineskins. And so you see this, it's not, it's like I loved writing this for over two years because every time I read scripture, I was like, man, science is trying to say the same thing, but it's not doing a good job because it's not holding truth at the core. And science and scripture were never meant to compete, they were meant to align. They were meant to come together and work together. And so, in your question, when we come back to sleep, and to be honest with you, we have four pillars that we dive into. We talk about recovery, which is not rest, it's different from rest, but recovery, all things that have to do with recovery. We then go into movement, we then go into environment, which has to do with people, sound, light, everything that's around you, community, and then nourishment. So we think about all of all four of these pillars that we align that has to do with our health holistically, mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally, and we go through the same process over and over again: rhythms, habits, rhythms, habits. But when we think about sleep, the rhythm I talk about is the rhythm should have a consistent sleep and wake time. So, what time do you go to bed? What time do you wake up? If we can keep that consistent with about 30 to 40 minutes of consistency there of leeway time, it creates this regularity of your hormones, which is exactly what we were called to have regulation. That's why we get dysregulated. Dysregulation leads to sickness, regulation leads to thriving. Then we think about if we have a consistent sleep time, now let's create a three hour block where there's a rhythm. Of what we're doing. Three hours before bed, no food. Two hours before bed, no work. One hour before bed, no blue light. We have now this rhythm that shifts us in. Now, if you have these rhythms set, three hours no Are you tired of being tired? I know I was. That's when I was glad to find own it coaching. Now my resting heart rate's down twenty percent. Sleep quality up three hundred percent. You know, I just ran my first Spartan rage at age fifty-six. I feel better than I ever have. So if you're ready to stop settling and start owning your own health, go to CoachJong Gallagher.com forward slash own it and set up a free call with the own it coaching team. That's CoachJonGallagher.com forward slash own it. Now let's get back to the episode. Well, what does your meal consist of? That habit could be different. Where do you eat that meal? That habit could be different. How do you eat that meal? That rhythm that habit can be different. What do you have to eat? That rhythm could be different, or that habit could be different, but the rhythm stays the same. No work two hours before bed. The rhythm stays the same, but what you do within those two hours can change based on the season. Maybe you go for a walk with the kids because that's the season you're in. Maybe you're going to dance recitals because that's the season you're in. Maybe you're just going and hanging out and playing with the dog because that's the season you're in. Maybe you're going to a baseball game because that's the season you're in. One hour before bed, no blue light. What do you do? The season will change. Maybe it's a sauna that night. Maybe it's a cold plunge. Maybe it's talking to your parents because that's the season you're in. Whatever it might be, the habits can change, but the rhythms stays stay static so that you can continue to keep evolving and new rhythms can hold space for new habits. Love that. And I that those are the you're right, those habits turn into the rhythms ultimately, but creating the long-term rhythms. I mean, I knew I as funny as I as I as you say that, I'm thinking to myself, and I know HRV, we're not going to get be able to get into the details of that. It's become very important for me the past two years. Look, folks, I'm not just a reader of the books, I'm also a client. I've been working with Justin and his team for over two and a half years to help improve my sleep patterns, but I chose to walk for some reason up to about 15 minutes before I went to bed last night, trying to get into my 10,000 steps and absolutely wrecked my HRV with regards to creating and disrupting that rhythm that's been there for so long. And wondering, you know, now I know. But the key about that is now I know how to impact it, how to bring it back in with some of those. I think here's the funny thing. I want to touch on that, John, because that's such a great point. And here's what I want people to hear. And I've said this many a times, but it's maybe even like a refresher for you is the moment that the habit or the moment that the discipline becomes the goal, we've lost the intention for what it was supposed to be. And you saw it last night. You were like, oh, the goal is to hit 10,000 steps. No, that's not the goal. The goal is to become somebody who gets 10,000 steps before the last hour of when you go to sleep. Because that's just who I am. I just walk throughout the day. I just am active. I'm not sedentary. I'm not staying in one place. I'm not chained to my desk. And so even though you miss that day, it's not about perfection. It's just, you know what? I need to change some things up tomorrow. And so now I don't mess up my sleep at night because at this point, what happens? 10,000 steps has become the idol. And that's so often what happens in our health is we start to try to add these habits, and the health habits become the idol instead of using them as worship to the one who created us in the first place. Look, you drove me right in my next question, too. I love that one of those open the doors of the pathways that you talk about. Who, what, how, and why. This is very non-traditional, by the way. Most of the books that you read are going to tell you, Simon Sinek's gonna tell you why first. You flipped that upside down. Tell me about that. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's so good because I think a lot of people, especially business leaders, people who are in leadership positions, they've read the book Start with Why. Simon Sinek created a whole movement back in like the year 2000, I think, somewhere around there, with his TED Talk. And uh it was start with why. Why is in the center? Why do you do what you do? And so many people try to figure out why do I do what I do, and they try to make something up and they try to put a story behind it rather than letting the Lord reveal it through obedience. The only thing that follows obedience is blessing, and that's what we've been called to do. It's called to do and called to be is obedience. And when we try to figure out our why before we've actually gone on the journey, we we actually manipulate obedience. And so we have to start with who? Who has God made you to be? We have to start with identity. And so when we start with identity, that's why the book starts with who did God say you are? Who does he say you are? Let's get a unique word for you. Not just chosen, not just man of God, not just beloved. What is that word for John? John is a leader maker, right? John is a legacy shaper. What is that for you? Who does God say you are? And then when God says who John is, a legacy maker, John then knows what a legacy maker does. A legacy maker goes to bed on time, wakes up early, is a man of his word, has integrity, does what he says he was going to do, treats his wife great, prioritizes her, prioritizes his fitness, goes and prioritizes his meals, makes sure that he's getting them appropriately, hydrates his body properly so he can have energy to go and pour into the leaders that he has to do, sets boundaries. So he allows himself to pour out, but then he also allows him to replenish and pour back in. And so when you know who you are, you then know what to do. Once you know what to do, God will reveal how to do it in his order. Order matters, order is critical. Oftentimes our habits are right, but they're out of order, their priorities are off. Great story back in Genesis. You go back to this, Cain and Abel. Both Cain and Abel gave an offering. Cain gave it over time. Abel gave his first and best. The first and best for Abel was favored over Cain's. So Cain killed his brother. Something out of order created the Bible's first homicide. And so we have to come back to order. And so if we fall when we know who you are, you know what to do, God will reveal how to do it, the order in which to do it. And only once we do that over and over and over again do we ultimately figure out why, eventually, eventually, soon, so that we can then truly amplify and further the journey that we're walking obediently. Love that. So good. I I think about that. And uh just uh again, that selfless plug in terms of being a client. I think it's on uh I know it's on page 286 inside the book, a little bit of my story and what it's been like on the journey. So I'm grateful for the opportunity to be part of that story, that is Owned Coaching and the Holy Health book. But I I want you to talk about another story that's been real recent for you.

Brandon Lake And Capacity For Calling

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You know, you've been uh I'll I'll stop short of calling you a groupie inside, but you got this guy that you've impacted, and I'm gonna read right from the quote. It says, Every yes to my health has led to more of God, more clarity, more intimacy, more peace, more joy, more presence. Justin didn't just coach me, he gave me language, he gave me a revelation. And through that, God gave me revival, revival that started in my body. That's Brandon Lake, folks. And in case you don't know him, then you and you've been living underground for multiple times. He's a multiple award-winning Christian songwriter and performer who's speaking to crowds, you know, or speaking and singing to crowds and worshiping in the tens of thousands at a time, and you've been a part of that journey. Tell me about that journey, what that's been like for you to have that impact. I mean, just even as you read that, I just I get again, I get emotional, I get teary-eyed. Just again, it's the goodness of God, the grace of God. Coming off tour with Brandon, we just finished 50 shows over the course of the last eight months. And being in such close proximity, being able to see where we started with him two years ago to where he is today, he's a different man. He truly uses his health as worship. His habits and behaviors are now aligned with where he was wanting to go. I've told this story many times. Brandon's told this story many times. We've got a documentary coming out with Brandon that Holy Health did in conjunction with him called Revival Ready. And Brandon will tell you, be the first one to say it is that there were moments where he was speaking and singing and in front of tens of thousands of people, and he would come off these highs and there would be major depressive thoughts. And just mentally and emotionally, he wasn't able to even handle the stage in which he was on, which was selling out churches at that time. When we got together, there was this urgency about being able to surrender his health to the Lord. He had surrendered everything except for his health. And the moment that he started to live in alignment with how he was created and steward this thing, suddenly the next level for him game opened up. And I say that to say that we just finished 50 shows in eight months. Prior to that, Phil Wickham, Brandon, and myself, or I was on tour with Brandon Lake and Phil Wickham on summer worship nights as well, which was 24 shows over the course of I think uh three months. And just seeing the amplification, playing in front of 30,000 people on a single night. The 50 shows combined, Brandon touched just south of 600,000 people, saw over 150,000 people give their lives to Christ, saw thousands get baptized. It was like that is that is a work of the Lord doing a work through a man because he has the capacity to carry the calling that's now on his life. And you may not be Brandon Lake, you may not be Phil Wickham, but my gosh, you have a calling just on your life, just as they do. And where you're stuck and where you're struggling, trying to get to the next level is not necessarily a need to work harder, but rather a need to get more obedient. How do we come back to what God says? How do we surrender our health? How do we surrender how we're living, our habits, our rhythms, the things that we are honoring God with, true and proper worship? Yes, he loves what you do daily. He loves your business, he's grateful for it, he loves your ministry, he's grateful for it. But what are you doing daily that's a reflection of God changing you because he's transformed you from the inside out? He has renewed your mind. And thus, everything that you daily is your true and proper worship. Love that so much. And look, folks, you know, this brings me all the way back to the start as we think about time and our time coming to an end here. Only more to honor. I could spend a couple more hours and I hope to get a chance to chat with Justin even more about this. You know, it's not just the brand in Lakeson World, those Grammy award-winning artists that he's helped. It's not even just me from the standpoint of being an uh executive who uh has benefited from some of that, but it's those individuals that we're talking to on this podcast, the ones he mentions right in the front of the book for the practitioners who refuse to accept that, you know, as enough in terms of the busy life and the unseen system causing the problem, and that they want to choose a higher standard or demand a higher standard and choose to serve people the way they were designed to be served. This story is for you as

Academy App Summit And Next Steps

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well. Justin, the holy health book is one part of it that's going to be coming out in August. There are corresponding components of this journey that you're working on that folks should know about. Tell me about those, the Holy Health Academy and what else you got going on. Yeah, so Holy Health Academy is a three-month program that really takes you on an actual journey that the book walks you through is who does God say you are? Session one's all about that, who God says you are. That's literally the title of it. Then it goes into the language of the body, heart rate variability. Let's understand that. Let's learn to speak the language that the Lord put inside of your body so that you could ultimately use it to be stewarded in a better way. Then we go to God's design for health and healing. Like, what is his design for health and healing? There is a legitimate design that scripture said that lies with science, and let's learn that. Let's understand that. Then sessions four and five are all about holy habits one and holy rhythms one, and then all about holy habits two and holy rhythms two. How do we divide and conquer? How do we create unification in how we live with rhythms and habits plugged in place, new rhythms, new habits done over the course of an entire month, focusing on building new habits, new rhythms that are aligned with how God says health and healings happens? And then we get into session six, which is all about living in holy health. How do we do this for the long term? How does this become sustainable? How does this become our legacy? So we ultimately go from who are you to what to do, to how to do it, and ultimately figure out why. Why are we doing this in the end? And we take you on that three-month journey, the resources, the video courses, it's absolutely incredible. The app that we've created and developed just simply for this to continue to further you on your journey. That's all available at holyhealth.org. Uh, holyhealth.org is where that is. And we've built it to be done in community. So you not only have the holy health capital C church community that you're running this with, but it's built to live in churches and to be done in small groups, to be done in faith-based communities, to be done in homes and families, so that you get to be your each other's accountability groups, but also going through this in such a powerful way that again, you now have like-minded people going on the same journey, speaking this language and being transformed in community, which is where we were meant to be transformed to begin with. So good. So good. Man, I think it's gonna be awesome. I can't wait to see the change that's gonna occur as a result of this program. Obviously, I'll put the links to those things in the show notes. I'm also gonna put the link holyhealthbook.com. Folks, get out there and get a copy of it. You're gonna hear this before it comes out, get a copy of it early. And Justin's got all kinds of gifts for you to pre-purchase that before it even comes out, which is gonna be really good. Hey, Justin, for the kingdom business leaders that have been going through uh this development process at New Spring Church, and we continue to go through this throughout the year. I want them to be aware of something you got coming up real soon. You know, we're releasing this on June 1st, but you got an event coming up that could continue their journey with regards to the Holy Health and how they become the leader they were called to be. Tell me about that and what they could do to get signed up. Yeah, I'm so excited, John. Uh virtual summit, Holy Health Virtual Summit, June 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. So I know it's a quick turnaround, but all they got to do is register. It's completely free June 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. And really what we're doing in the Holy Health Virtual Summit is bringing a collective of experts that are really going to pour into these business leaders as to what does it look like to use your health as worship? What does it look like to heal God's way and providing an entire blueprint and framework for that? And so we're gonna have people like Brandon Lake, Phil Wickham, Rich Wilkerson, uh, Daniel Pompa, John Gordon, myself. I'm gonna be there pouring in Franny Cash, Danielle Strickland. It's gonna be a really powerful day pouring into uh, or three days, I guess, pouring into people on a female health specific. We'll have rooms specific for females. We will have room specific for male health. We have we will have room specific for pastoral health that Mac Lake is gonna lead with myself. And so it is gonna be so focused and so intentional about helping the select group of people heal God's way, understand the inside mind, body, spirit alignment that needs to happen while also running businesses, while also leading families, while also being men and women of God. What does that look like to actually embody Romans 12, 1 and 2 of using your body's a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God, this being your true and proper worship? How do we do that and how do we heal God's way so we can have capacity to carry the calling that's on our life? And so that's going to be June 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, holyhealth.org slash summit is where people can register. But it's the Holy Health Virtual Summit, 11 a.m. Eastern to 2 p.m. Eastern. If you can join live, amazing. You'll be able to engage with everybody who is coming on. But if you don't don't register live or you don't, you can't make it live and you just register still, you'll get the recording that comes with that and be able to watch on your own time and be able to pick and choose and fast forward and do it as uh as you please. But June 2nd to June 4th, Holy Health Virtual Summit. It's gonna be amazing. And we're just believing that there's gonna be real healings and miracles just over the course of that time. Beloved, Justin. That is so cool. So grateful for the the many things that you're providing for this. So, folks, kingdom business leaders, get out there right now, get yourself a copy of the book first, and then get signed up for this virtual summit. It's gonna be awesome. You heard the names, and it's not just about the names, but it's about the impact that you can have in the work that you're doing. Justin, I so have appreciated this time, this conversation, and I could work forever, but I appreciate you sharing with the Uncommon Leader podcast community. I want to finish with one question about the billboard question in the last

The Sticky Note Truth

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one. But this is you're gonna talk to these leaders individually that you wrote this book for. And if I give you a stack of sticky notes, you only get to write one quote or one inspirational statement on that sticky note to post on every listener's monitor that they'll have there. What's the message you're gonna write on that sticky note for them? And why do you put that message on there? You are not your circumstance. Your reality can be changed because God designed you to heal, he designed you to thrive, but you have to choose to live differently. Own your different, right? Choose absolutely. Justin, so grateful, man. Obviously, I enjoy the time we get to spend together and to share with this community is just another benefit of that. So I wish you the best in the launch. I think it's going to be awesome. And we'll talk about the next book here and maybe two more years, all right? I love it. So good, John. I appreciate you. Take care. Until next time, go and grow champions.