Why Becoming More Yourself Requires Grieving What No Longer Fits

Something wild happens when your life hits a season you can’t “power through.” I’m sharing a personal update I’ve been living inside of lately: pregnancy, the humbling first trimester, and what it forces me to release when my usual productivity stories stop working. If you’re a mom, a caregiver, a go-getter, or anyone moving through change, this is for the days when success looks like making it to bedtime and calling that sacred.

We talk about tiny rituals as spiritual practice and realistic self-care. Not the fantasy of two uninterrupted hours, but the two-minute practices that bring you home: lighting a candle, making tea, watering a plant, stepping outside barefoot, taking five deep belly breaths, or putting your legs up the wall. I share how these micro-rituals build steadiness, protect your peace, and help you reorient when your nervous system is loud and your mind is spinning.

Then we go deeper into community as medicine. I reflect on the kind of relationships that don’t just validate you, but actually help you remember who you are. That also means grieving false belonging, noticing where familiarity isn’t alignment, and trusting your nervous system before your thoughts catch up. We unpack expansion vs contraction, boundaries around gossip, and why nature is such a powerful teacher when you’re tempted to hurry.

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✨ Three Elena Truths

• Your nervous system often recognizes what belongs long before your mind catches up.
• Tiny daily rituals have the power to keep you connected to yourself when life won’t make space for long spiritual practices.
• Every meaningful life requires grieving the relationships, expectations, and identities that no longer align with who you’re becoming.

📖 Journaling Prompts

1. Where in my life am I staying because it feels familiar rather than deeply nourishing?
2. Which relationships leave my body feeling expansive? Which leave me feeling contracted?
3. What tiny ritual could help me remember myself every single day?
4. What version of myself am I grieving right now?
5. If I trusted my nervous system more than my fear, what would I lovingly let go of?

📚 Resources & Quotes Mentioned

Books

• The Creative Act: A Way of Being — Rick Rubin
• Explore more of Joseph Campbell’s work on mythology and the hero’s journey.

Quotes Mentioned

• Carl Jung: “The privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are.”
• Marianne Williamson: “Your playing small does not serve the world.”
• Lao Tzu (attributed): “Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished.”
• Joseph Campbell: “The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.”
• Inspired by Rick Rubin: The goal isn’t to be finished; the goal is to stay connected to the work.

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• Distance sessions are available worldwide.

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Transcript

Elena Box 0:00

Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the Ode to Joy podcast. This is your friend, once more, Elena Box, coming to you from my little office. And it's been a little bit of a minute. It's been a couple of weeks, and I'm so happy to be here with you. I know you've been reaching out and letting me know you're catching up on episodes and letting me know what resonates with you. And it feels so lovely to get that little reminder that this is

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important. And I love recording this show. So you might be tuning into this episode because you got the little notification. There's a new episode, and everybody's like, oh, finally, she's recording again. And maybe you heard about it through my newsletter. And if you're not subscribed to the newsletter, I have the link in the show notes. Go to Elenabox.com and subscribe, subscribe, subscribe. And I say this because I hate email. So I'm never gonna be spamming you. You get one a month tops. And that is a way to hear about upcoming uh podcast episodes, retreats, workshops, classes, basically anything I got going on. And like I like to keep it like a little friendly, a little bit like of a catch-up. And I hope that it's something that reaches you in a way that you're like, yeah, actually, this is kind of fun. Because listen, we don't love, we don't love receiving emails that are like, yeah, this is boring. I don't care directly to the garbage. A la poubelle, as they say. So all this to say thank you for joining. And why have I been gone so long? Where have I been? Well, buckle up, my friend. Do you have your cup of tea? Have you lit your candle? Because big announcement. And if you if you saw the newsletter, you already know. I'm brewing a little babe. I've got another little babe in the womb brewing. And my God, I'm finally in the second trimester. And so ring the bells. We made it. We survived. And if you know, if you've been pregnant before and you you've been through that first trimester, you know it can be a tough. It can be humbling. And my friend was I humbled. Now I thought this whole time, I'm like, it's a boy,

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it's a boy for sure. And because all of the morning sickness wasn't, it wasn't as bad, but it was definitely humbling. And turns out we're having another little girl, which is gonna be so much fun because we already got the wardrobe, you know? So that's a really fun thing that is on the horizon. And I've honestly just been in this little maternal bubble. And if you've been there, you know. So the truth is, most days as I have been mothering and all day, morning sickness, as as you may know, is a falsity. It's actually all day sickness, and figuring out what to eat is an Olympic feat. And so most days people be like, What have you been up to? How you been? I'm like, surviving, surviving. And you know, what am I eating? Basically, the my 90s dream of snacks. I'm having Pop Tarts and Ritz bits and ego waffles, basically anything that the kid version of me didn't get as a kid or it was very rare. Those are the those are the things that I'm craving. Like the least healthy, most processed, that's that's first trimester. And you know what? This is this whole season is all about the art of letting go. And so I came up against again where I just had to go, you know what? This is what it is. This is this is letting go of the expectations and just being with what is right now. And so I'm so grateful now I'm in the second trimester. And that means like, yeah, I get to start eating more healthy meals and and you know, things don't give me the major ick anymore for the most part. Although there was a soggy chicken sandwich the other day that I just said, uh-uh, I can't do it. I just can't do it. And so I want to talk about how survival is sometimes the spiritual practice. Okay. So it's letting go of productivity, which can be so tough, especially if you are a mompreneur, if you're somebody who's a go-getter and you want to friggin' create your empire. And yet you are in this phase of life where you're kind of just slowly chipping away. And so so much of what I've been going through in this chapter is letting go of the woman that

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I thought I'd be and beginning to ask myself, who am I becoming now? It's a big one. So let that one land. Let it land for you. Who are you becoming now? And how have you had to let go of the woman that you thought you'd be? Yeah, it's a big one. So I love this quote. You've probably heard it before. It's by our guy, Carl Jung, and he says, the privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are. So this is big work. It's really, really big work. And pregnancy teaches, it's like the ultimate teacher of surrender. So the first trimester strips away all illusion. It any ideas you have about like, I'm gonna be good, I'm gonna be working out, I'm gonna be a fit mama, I'm gonna be eating my greens, you know, it just strips it all away, and you're there trying to mother a toddler who's a wild and feral creature and eating a Pop-Tar, and you're like, and this is the meal. And, you know, the truth is you can't hustle your way through the nausea and you can't outdiscipline exhaustion. That's the reality of it. You know, there's just no way around it. It's not like, oh, I didn't get too much sleep last night. It's like I'm absolutely to the bone exhausted, and I want to vomit and I need to eat, but everything grosses me out. And the truth is, sometimes the bravest thing, and listen, I hope this reaches you where you are, wherever you are, sometimes the bravest thing is just surviving today. So for me, I'm so pumped. This is me getting to record my podcast after weeks away. So thank you for tuning in. And the biggest treat that I had this morning after my grandfather my daughter's grandfather came and picked her up, and I got to come down into my office and I got to tend it and I vacuumed and I brought out the duster and I cleared away all the cobwebs and I watered the plants, I lit some incense, and I created my sacred container again. And that is sometimes the simplest thing is how we're just tending to our space. So sometimes maybe tending our soul, it doesn't always look like meditation. Sometimes it looks like making a cup of tea, opening a window, watering, maybe just one plant. You're like that one sad little plant that's just screaming out and it's like, please water me. Water the one plant, light one candle. And sometimes that's all we need to reorient ourselves to the parts of ourself and our soul that is really screaming

Tiny Rituals That Reconnect You

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for a bit of watering, a bit of attention. And it's those tiny rituals that save us. So we don't always need to have two uninterrupted hours. If you're a mama or you're just a busy person, which props to, you know, keep it, keep it moving, keep it moving. We don't always have those uninterrupted hours. Sometimes it's two minutes, and sometimes it's literally lighting a candle and a stick of incense, dropping into a child's pose, you know, after that tough phone call. You're just like, yep, this is me. We're getting into child's pose, that's a rander. And for me, it's often legs up the wall at the end of the day, even if it means I have like a yoga block under my head and I'm trying to edit an Instagram reel, which can sometimes be an Olympic feat in and of itself, or doing a little scrollioli. Sometimes it's stepping outside barefoot. So if you're going through a really tough moment, I was speaking with a client the other day who is supporting their mother, who's an end-of-life patient. And I said, remember to get outside, get your feet on the ground, take off your shoes. They're in the middle of Manhattan. I said, get out there and tap back into nature, even if it feels crazy, even if it feels like it's the wildest thing to do in the moment, get your feet on the ground, put your hand on your heart, sit under a tree, hug that tree, even if you're in the middle of Midtown or Manhattan. Wherever you are, reorient yourself. And so I'm asking you right now, my listener, my friend, what tiny rituals remind you of who you are? Okay. That is the question. When all else is sort of this blur of to-do's and getting to the next thing, what are these little rituals that remind you of who you are at your core? And so I love this idea of the act of paying attention is a form of prayer. And so for me, sometimes it's when I have the coffee brewing in the morning and my daughter's running around naked, and all I have is tending to the plants while I have a candle lit and I just get to water the plants. And sometimes the water gets everywhere and it's wild. But I know that that's my form of tending to my soul, tending to my space as a form of prayer, as a form of like a peace practice. What are these little rituals that are like a peace practice for your heart? Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know. So now this moves me to the next part of what I wanted to share with you, which is really about community and how community is medicine. So this last earlier this month, actually, I had the treat of getting to be in person with these women who I am co-facilitating the Beyond the Veil retreat with, which is in upstate New York, July 25th to 26th. All the details are in the show notes. And I got to meet these women in real life: Corona, Haya, Shayna. These women are deeply steeped in spiritual practice. And I got to share a car ride with Haya the whole way up and

Community As Medicine And Retreat Preview

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down. I picked her up in Brooklyn. And my soul felt so nourished. And I realized what had been missing from my life. I realized since I've been in this blur of mom life for almost two years now, I've been missing having conversations about spirit. I've been missing being around women who are devoted to practice, who are devoted to depth, to reverence, to curiosity and to openness of the heart. I mean, the conversations that we had and the ways that we were able to tune in with each other. We went down to the river where we'll be have a the fire pit and at night and we did a little ceremony and we called in our ancestors. And it was the best thing for my heart to be around women like this because I gotta tell you, when every single day is filled with conversations around nap times and well, what are you feeding them? And you know, what milestone are they going through? I mean, which is so important. And listen, we need to have those little lifelines to make sure that we're like, okay, we're not going crazy. We need that. And yet, it was so wonderful to be around women who reminded me of this part of my soul, which needs a little bit of watering right now. And I'm so excited for this upcoming retreat. And so the question that I have for you is what kind of people make you remember yourself? What kind of people make you remember yourself? I'm thinking of the what is it from the Lion King where they're like, he's like, Simba, remember who you are. Like, remember who you are. What kind of people are they? Not who validates you, who reminds you of who you are. Yeah. So it brings to mind this quote from our girl, Marianne Williamson, and she says, Your playing small does not serve the world. And so it's really about asking yourself, how do I need to up level to meet myself by surrounding myself with people who help me remember who I am? And that might require letting go of a lot. And so letting go of false belonging. Okay. So that can be really tough. And sometimes belonging isn't actually belonging. Sometimes comfort isn't safety, and sometimes familiarity isn't alignment. And that's something to grieve as well. And so this is really this transition that I've been in, is really calling in this community of women who are able to not only meet me where I am, but also

False Belonging And Grief Practice

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ask me to up level and connect back with that part of me that is like really tuned in. Like the part of me that was, you know, happy to live the rest of my life living in a cave, meditating, and had all of these daily rituals. Now, listen, we find little ways, we find the little rituals, we find ways of coming back in, but it's it's letting go of a comfort that isn't necessarily feeding this next version of who you're becoming, which can be so tough. And so that means calling in our grief practice. This means letting go and and grieving many different parts of ourselves. And I told, I talk about this all the time, but it's it's it's grieving not only death, but friendships and identities, expectations, communities and versions of ourselves. So sometimes we don't grieve something because sometimes we don't grieve because something was good. We we grieve because we hoped it would become good. You know, we often, at least for me, I often have rose-colored glasses uh because I like to see the good. And this is what brings me to this next point, which is trust your nervous system. This is huge, huge, huge, huge, huge. Your nervous system knows before your mind does. And so, you know, a couple of examples of this. This is once you really hone in on this, it's gonna change your whole worldview. You know, it's kind of like you can have the rose-colored glasses on, but remember that your nervous system knows before your mind does. So you might walk into a room and you sense something's off. You might walk into a room and you're like, I know these people were just talking,

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talking smack about me, because your whole body feels it before you have any other information that tells you otherwise or or or tells you anything. You just know. Or perhaps you receive an email and something just, even if, even if it's not in the words, something just hits you about it and you just know something's off here. I had a podcast inquiry recently, which I love. And please, if you're interested in being on the show or you know someone who would be a great person to chat with on the show, please send them. I love to receive inquiries. This one was for a person who is well accomplished. And in the end, I I, as I did get my mind involved, I realized they weren't exactly the right fit. But as I went and I looked at a photo of the person, everything in me said, nope, this isn't, this does not feel aligned. And then the mind came in and went, well, but let's, let's, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Let's check them out. And in the end, I just said, trust your gut, trust your nervous system, trust that for whatever reason, you don't have to continue to second guess this, just trust what your initial reaction was. So when you're meeting someone for the first time, if everything in your body starts to tense up and contract, that's your body telling you something. If you hear music, and even if it's like, you know, the most catchy popular song, but something in it is like not it, change or leave the room, whatever it is. Like you have to protect your peace. That's the biggest thing and the biggest lesson that I'm also relearning, relearning, relearning, relearning is you got to protect your peace. Or, you know, if you enter into somebody's home and something is just not right here, you have to protect your peace. And so the body asks first, is this situation, whatever it is, am I expanding or am I contracting? And so a really great way to figure that out for yourself, which sometimes can feel really confusing if this is a new practice to you, is notice. Notice your shoulders. Are they hiking up to your ears? Do you feel this sense of tension just beneath your ears to the tops of your shoulders? Or are they relaxed? Are you like, yep, I can take a load off. I'm just whoo-hoo, easy peasy. Notice your stomach. Is there a sense of tightening in your stomach? Or are you able to take slow and deep belly breaths? That's a huge indicator. And there's certain situations and certain moments where you're being asked to be in a situation where perhaps your nerves are on edge. It's it's an important meeting. You're meeting with somebody who's a higher up, you know, and you want to present yourself in a way that is powerful and self-assured. You might notice that you start to contract. And that's natural because it's it's your nerves kind of going, oh my God, brace, we got, we, we got to get through this. And so the invitation there is breathe into your belly, take up space. You know, that's your power center, is is your whole solar plexus. It's your divine I am. And so take up space there. And that's one of another, another indicator is if you're in a certain situation and it starts to where you start to really be unable to breathe, breathe in, breathe into the belly, expand, and notice is this a situation where I can be and and continue to be here in a safe space within my body, or is this somewhere, a moment where I need to really exit? And trust it, trust it, trust it, trust it. Your body knows before your mind does. And notice your energy afterward. You might be in a situation where logically the mind says, but this is, you know, this is a great group of people, you know, this is a good network. This is, these are, these are people who I who I feel really aligned with. And then afterwards you feel completely depleted or something feels wrong, or you sort of feel like the way that I experience it, which is when I'm in situations where I feel that I'm not my fullest self and free to be my fullest self, it sort of feels like putting the the shoe on the wrong foot. Where you're kind of like, okay, so the shoes are on, but something ain't right here. Like I'm able to walk, but I'm not steady on my feet. And so that is really like the principle of all of this, is trusting your nervous system and surrounding yourself with people who are gonna build you up, and surrounding yourself with people who encourage you to remember who you are and challenge you even to up level and to talk about things that excite you and to talk about things that expand your mind and expand perhaps even your creativity. And someone who's gonna really allow you to open yourself up into these new avenues that allow you to further expand into your own openness with a sense of curiosity. And so that's something that I'm really embracing right now is calling those kinds of relationships in. And it's such a joy because as I, as I embark on this next chapter of pregnancy, it's kind of like, okay, so let's let's create the team here. How are we going to create the community where I know I can't also stay comfortable and stay in a place where I'm small, where I'm not my fullest self. And I wouldn't want that for you either, dear listener. Like, I want you to really be in a space where you're trusting your body, trusting how you feel around people. And another thing that I'm just gonna touch on really briefly is making sure that you're aligned with people who are staying away from toxic things, which is like, you know, gossip, speaking about other people. And this is a big lesson that I'm learning. And Mel Robbins actually spoke about this on her podcast, which is, you know, and it's a quote that has many different sources. So take it, take it however way you want, which is that if somebody gossips to you, they'll likely gossip about you. So I know so much in human relationships, it's something that we do to build trust,

Gossip, Energy Leaks, And Boundaries

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to build a sense of, oh, you too, you also think this way, you also da-da-da. And the truth is, while it might feel like you're creating a connection in that moment, what's actually happening is you're you're leaking energy in reality. What is more challenging, and even in your in your personal relationships, this is a big one in with your partnership, is how can we instead shift things, shift the conversation where we're not having to fill up space and fill up airtime in speaking about other people and comparing and contrasting with, you know, who's doing it better and where could I, you know, it's it's that compare and despair kind of a thing. And instead, where can I find new avenues of growth and curiosity and expanding into places where it might be uncomfortable? It might be uncomfortable to kind of be scraping the bottom of the barrel and be like, well, shoot. And then you kind of start to realize I have to be engaging with my own soul, my own spirit of what feels exciting and how have I been expanding? What have I been taking in? Have I been reading books? Have I been, you know, engaging in art and culture and what's my mind noodling on right now? And so many times in life, it's kind of the easier route to talk about things that really aren't serving who you're becoming. And you know it, and I know it. And listen, we're learning this together. And remember, like as you're in those moments, notice your body. Notice what it feels like to have that brought up where people begin to discuss other people's lives, which we have no business talking about. Just notice, and there's ways to get out of it. It there's ways to just say, like, hey, listen, like, I don't like talking about people if they're not in the room. That's a great indicator. You know, is this what's about to come out of my mouth something that I would say to that person? And if it's not, keep your mouth shut and shut down the conversation. I know, I know, I know. Listen, I'm here with you and we're in this together. And so let's let's shift the conversation here right now. And it's what are the practices that bring us back to that sense of home within ourselves? Because so often there's these tendrils that that take away our focus. And it's so important to have this sense of discipline of coming back to center. And so my invitation to you is take yourself into the woods. My favorite practice is if you have any glacial boulders around you, lay that belly down on a glacial boulder. And remember, nature has no gossip. You know, the trees are sharing information via the mycelial network, but they ain't talking smack about, you know, oh, that birch down the road. You know, there's no comparison, there's no performance, there's

Nature As The Antidote To Hurry

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only this relationship, this sacred relationship, this balance in nature. And that's the most beautiful part about being in the middle of the woods is, you know, every time I return to the forest, I remember that the earth has never asked me to become anyone else. It's never asked me to tighten up and protect in a way. Certainly, there's times where, you know, you might be afraid of bear is coming to get you and they might be. Even so, the the challenge there when you come against fear if you're in the middle of the woods, is realizing that you are a part of nature. And so, really, if the bear comes to get you, it's all good because it just is. And there's this sense of balance and this sense of just sort of all things in balance, if you understand my meaning. And I love this quote, and it's often attributed to Lao Tzu, which is, and you probably know it, but let's say it again because it's a good one. It's a goldy. Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. Big, big. So for me, I'm remembering nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished. So those four loads of laundry, they're gonna get done. They're gonna get done. They're gonna get folded and put away eventually. So let's let's bring it, let's bring it all home. Let's bring it on home, or let's bring it back to shore. So the question isn't what should I hold on to? It's what can I lovingly release so that my life has room for what truly belongs. So let's invite in these small rituals. It's lighting a candle, taking five breaths, go outside, get your feet on the ground, listen to your body, notice when the body softens, notice when it contracts, and find ways to come back to that soft place. And just remember that maybe letting go isn't losing something, but maybe it's finally making room for yourself and remember who you are, Simba. So let's bring it home with some three, Alana Truths for the episode, which is your nervous system often recognizes what belongs long before your mind catches. You could even use it when you're in the grocery store. Take a look at that bowl of, you know, that little box of strawberries. Does it feel aligned? If not, let it go. Number two, tiny daily rituals have the power to keep you connected to yourself when life won't make space for long spiritual practices.

Three Truths Plus Journaling Prompts

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And if you've been there, which I have, where I'm waking up at four in the morning and doing chanting for two and a half hours, we don't have time for the long spiritual practices. So it's the tiny daily rituals, and they have the power to keep you connected to yourself when life won't make space for long spiritual practices. The last one is every meaningful life requires grieving the relationships, expectations, and identities that no longer align with who you're becoming. And that's where all these grief practices come in handy. That's why I do what I do. And I remind you, every single episode, I'm here along the path with you. So we have a couple of journaling prompts, which I love to hand out to you like a little treat, because we're all on the path together and we're all doing the work. So find a way to slowly chip away at this. We have five questions for you. Number one, and remember they're all in the show notes. Number one, where in my life am I staying? Because it feels familiar rather than deeply nourishing. Number two, which relationships leave my body feeling expansive, which leave me feeling contracted? Number three, what tiny ritual could help me remember myself every single day? Number four, what version of myself am I grieving right now? Number five, if I trusted my nervous system more than my fear, what would I lovingly let go of? So we're all in this together. We're all doing the work. And I've been really tuning back into Rick Rubin lately. And I love him. I'm excited to dive back into his book. And he has just gonna sort of like paraphrase his philosophy, which is that the goal isn't to be finished, the goal is to be connected to the work. So even if that means, this is me speaking now, even if that means just having a little finger on the pulse, a little finger on, oh yeah, and this this is reminding me of my inner artist, the part of me that is untouchable and perhaps even unknowable, even to those who I'm in deep relationship with. Here's another good one from Joseph Campbell, because I, you know, why not? The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek. We know it, we know it's there, but it's all about going back in and going back in to find those treasures. And so once again, my friend, I love having these conversations with you. I love talking about, you know, all the things in life that are our teachers, which is death, it's grief, it's motherhood, pregnancy, hello, it's friendship and and business. And they're all classrooms for the same lesson, which is how to return again and again to the truest version of yourself so that life feels like you're living a life that is an ode to joy. And that's the ode to joy podcast. That's what we're talking about here. So if you're ready to dive in and come be with us in community with this group of badass women, join us. We will be at the Woodmont Day Camp July 25th through 26th for the Beyond the Veil immersion retreat, immersive retreat. And I'm gonna be doing some really lovely offerings. I'll be teaching a, I'll be co-facilitating a shamanic journey. I'll be teaching a workshop on the art of dying, casual, and

Retreat Invitation And Ways To Work

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I'll also be teaching a really nice sunrise yoga class, and then of course, just supporting people throughout with energy work, with just holding a really gorgeous sacred space. So this is for you if you are perhaps newly grieving and curious to dive into more of this world of death and dying and grief, or if you are supporting a loved one through their dying process, maybe you even bring your loved one because it is going to be so ripe and full of information and wisdom from fellow death doulas and elders, and there's just going to be this wonderful ceremony that we're creating here. Remember, this is also something you can do as a day pass. So if you're like, listen, I can't spend the night, come for the day and just join us. And remember, if this isn't something that you're able to join right now, there's gonna be more. There's gonna be more like it because these conversations are so important and we're gonna keep talking about it till the cows come home. And always a reminder that if you are interested in coming and working with me in my little Calaipi Commons retro studio here on Long Island, give me a call. Let me know. Book book a book a phone call and we'll chat. I can always tune in and we can do a distance session if I'm reaching you in a place that is a faraway corner of the world, which I know you're here. I know you're listening because I see you guys on the map, and I'm so happy you're here. And once again, it's been an absolute pleasure and an honor to speak with you today. And I'll talk to you again very soon.