Chaya Hannah Cohen: Integration After The Breakthrough

A powerful retreat can crack you open, but what happens when you go back to laundry, traffic, deadlines, and people who do not speak the language of your experience? I sit down with Chaya Hannah Cohen, a shamanic breathwork, bodywork, and sound healing guide and death doula, to get honest about the part of transformation nobody posts about: integration.

We talk about what it means to let go after the breakthrough and why “more ceremony” is not the same as growth. Chaya shares a core principle that has guided her work with thousands of people through ceremony and somatic practice: we can only move at the speed of safety. We unpack common post retreat mistakes, how to ground big visions without taking them too literally, and why the ultimate ceremony is often the most ordinary moment, where you practice patience, boundaries, and kindness in real relationships.

From there, we drop into the body. We explore why you cannot think your way into healing, how breathwork and sound can support nervous system regulation, and why being witnessed in community helps trauma, grief, and joy move without overwhelming you. Chaya also reflects on her Peru dieta, sacred reciprocity, and how plant medicine integration can invite deeper humility and discipline, not just peak experiences.

We close with death awareness and lineage healing, including the conversations we hope you have with parents and grandparents while you still can, from care wishes to music, rituals, and the kind of environment that feels most nourishing. If you want practical integration tools grounded in breath, community, and embodied wisdom, this one is for you. Subscribe, share with a friend who is in a big transition, and leave a review so more people can find this support.

Resources:

Chaya Hannah | Feelings Felt
Shamanic healing · Breathwork · Bodywork · Sound healing · Psychedelic integration · Coaching

Chaya Hannah works at the intersection of somatic healing, shamanic practice, and Jewish mysticism, offering trauma-informed support for those navigating the tender terrain after deep ceremonial or psychedelic experience. Her 1:1 sessions weave breathwork, intuitive bodywork, craniosacral therapy, and sound healing into a personalized container for nervous system regulation, emotional processing, and integration. She also offers group ceremonies, workshops, and retreats — including immersive gatherings in NYC and the Sacred Valley of Peru.

If you're feeling activated, tender, or simply needing to be held as your experience continues to unfold, her work is a gentle and grounding place to land.

✦ www.feelingsfelt.com · @feelings__felt

Possibility Portal: Women’s Retreat in Peru
Join Chaya Hannah and Sunshine for an intimate seven-day women’s retreat in Pisac and Peru’s Sacred Valley, November 16–23, 2026. The experience includes yoga and intuitive movement, shamanic and holotropic breathwork, sound healing, integration circles, nervous system regulation, ritual and ceremony, sacred-site visits, elder wisdom, and plenty of space for rest and integration.
https://www.feelingsfelt.com/peru-women-s-retreat

International End of Life Doula Association (INELDA)
Chaya trained with INELDA in end-of-life doula care. INELDA offers education and training for people interested in supporting individuals and families through dying, death, and end-of-life care.
https://inelda.org/

Death Café
Chaya mentions Death Cafés as a way to gather in community and have open, honest conversations about death and mortality. Find a Death Café near you or learn how to host one.
https://deathcafe.com/

Reforesters Laboratory
A community space in Williamsburg, Brooklyn where Chaya offers gatherings including her Possibility Portal work, bringing together practices such as meditation, music, plant wisdom, art, and community.
https://reforesters.io/

Transcript

Welcome And Why Integration Matters

Elena Box 0:32

Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the Ode to Joy podcast. This is your friend, Elena Box, joining you once more with another very special friend. I'd love to introduce you to my friend, Chaya Hannah Cohen. Welcome.

Speaker 0:49

Chaya. Thank you, Elena. It's such a gift to be here with you.

Elena Box 0:55

I'm so happy that you're here today. We are both fresh from our Beyond the Veil retreat, which was very, very powerful. And we'll be chatting a little bit more about that as we lead into the discussion. But just to give you, our listener, a bit of information about Chaya Hannah Cohen, who's joining us today. She is a shamanic breathwork, body work, and sound healing guide, psychedelic guide, and of course, Death Doula. With more than 12 years of experience supporting thousands of people through ceremony, breathwork, body work, and integration. She's been featured in the New York Times and Chaya weaves together her Jewish lineage with Andy and shamanism and teachings studied in Brooklyn, Jerusalem, and Peru's Sacred Valley. She is the founder of Feelings Felt, a community devoted to helping feelers and healers come home to themselves through ceremony coaching retreats and embodied practice. So on today's episode, we're going to be exploring one of the most important and often overlooked parts of transformation: integration. And so whether you've just returned from joining us at Beyond the Veil or you've experienced the loss of a loved one, of someone you love, become a parent, gone through a divorce, received a difficult diagnosis, or simply found yourself in a season of profound change, today's conversation is for you. So as I've been speaking about on this season, it's all about the art of letting go. And so today we're asking what it really means to let go after the breakthrough and how do we embody what we've experienced? How do we return to ordinary life without leaving our transformation behind? And how do we continue becoming the people that we glimpsed during those extraordinary moments? So no pressure, but here we go. So yeah, lots, lots of areas that we're gonna be diving into today. And I thought we would just land in this moment. Here we are recording in early August. We're about two or so weeks since we went beyond the veil together. And I'd love to just check in with you, Chaya. How are you landing in this moment after going beyond the veil together?

Speaker 3:25

Thank you. Wow. Um, I guess first and foremost, so grateful to be landing again and again in community after these expansive, wild, powerful journeys. It feels really supportive to be speaking with you as one of my fellow collaborators on this journey and dear sister, and someone I admire and have learned so much from to actually like

Beyond The Veil Afterglow

Speaker 3:46

really keep grounding our own learnings together. And it's been a joy post-retreat to realize how much has come up for me as both a student and a teacher to keep integrating into my own journey. Very grateful to have had yesterday with my mother and grandmother to actually share a lot of what I learned from our immersion and questions that, you know, still catch me off guard sometimes when it comes to death awareness, when it comes to how we continue to prepare for the unknown, how we continue to make space and spaciousness for ourselves, our loved ones, and really the infinite support of having community, spiritual community to walk the path with. So I'm feeling a lot of excitement about my continued work from learning that I want to keep weaving into my own sacred path, but also getting to support many others in from all that emerge from the wisdom of the field, from the wisdom of every single beautiful steward and guardian that showed up, not only for themselves, but for their loved ones. It really takes a village. And I really feel like we came together in a really powerful way. And I'm so grateful to have been a part of this collage that I could never have dreamed of, right? Like just the way that spirit sometimes invites us forth to be even braver, right? Individually, but also collectively in how we can support each other and create more systems of change and support, especially around sacred thresholds in life.

Elena Box 5:09

So beautifully said. And so I know our listener right now is also just chewing on your words and receiving them in the same way, hopefully that I do, because I love your way with words and I love how you communicate. So what an absolute joy and treat. So thank you so much. And yeah, yeah, I I I feel very much similarly to everything that you just shared. And so, yes, I'm I'm I'm in a similar place where it's so interesting, even as a facilitator, things come up that maybe we're in our blind spots. And it is also really a stepping into this wisdom. And something that I shared during our little integration circle that we did towards the end for myself was just so much of even showing up for this event as a facilitator was giving myself permission to walk and and talk and actually embody my lived wisdom and to share my lived wisdom and to know what was so amazing about it was that it was actually really received and was useful to people, which was a really wonderful surprise as well. And everything that I sort of the the feedback that I got from everyone was just that there's this excitement of what we're building here and what's growing here is inviting people into a deeper conversation around death awareness and that it doesn't just inform the end of your life, but it informs how we live every single day and how we go into these big moments of transformation and metamorphosis because we go through these death and rebirths many, many times in life.

Speaker 6:59

Amen. I have chills, just like remembering some of your shares and your meditation and the way that you channeled some of your learnings from supporting your father and your family and how much I learned and also just how much the field like we all resonate with each other's direct experience so much. And I'm so grateful to similarly just keep on standing in my vulnerable truth as much as possible because it really is, you know, a wink and a nod that we have here on this planet, right? And so to have had the gift to share together, to learn together, to witness so many beautiful souls sharing their own ancestral remembrances, their own visions for the future, also their own channeling abilities, both, you know, in terms of what the body wants to speak that may not always be normative, right, in everyday society, but to actually also tune into our all of our community's medicines, right? Just there were so many healers that showed up to help support alchemizing moving energy and togetherness, both when it comes to grief, when it comes to fear, when it comes to actually relishing in deeper joy, deeper expansion through walking into unfamiliar territories and speaking about the things that maybe we only ever tell, you know, five to ten of our closest friends. There were so many sacred thresholds coming together. And I'm with you on just like the deep excitement around walking together to keep creating more softness when life can throw us curveballs and the unknowns and actually creating even more gentle landing, preparatory, and integrative spaces for what it means to be human and to go through these beautiful uh evolutions of self that have the capacity, right, to help us up level, grow, evolve, deepen into our own gifts, our own strengths, and also at times mean that we just need space for grief and to be and to melt and to actually soften into like the earth's womb. And I really feel like we experienced like a microcosm of all of it that past weekend. So looking forward to so much more space to unpack together and to support our attendees with continued integration tools for the many different uh experiences that we're unfolding.

Elena Box 9:07

Yes. And you brought up really one of my favorite things about the whole weekend, which is I looked around our ceremonial space, and I know that every single person who was sat there was a healer, was a storyteller, was an artist, you know, someone who had so much to share that I really just wanted to call everybody up on stage and go, and get on up here.

Speaker 2 9:29

What do you got? You know, teach us.

Elena Box 9:33

And wow, what what what an absolute pleasure. So for our listener who's who's tuning in who maybe might not have been there, and then also for a listener who was there at Beyond the Veil, I'd love to open us up with this question of what would you say to someone? Let's let's speak specifically to the person who was with us, who just left Beyond the Veil feeling cracked open. Yeah, yeah.

When You Leave Feeling Cracked Open

Elena Box 10:01

Which I know even even I felt afterwards. Yeah, which is a normal. Yeah. But yeah. So what would you say? And and this could also really speak to someone who perhaps wasn't there but has perhaps understood what it means to leave in a huge container like that, feeling just absolutely cracked open.

Speaker 10:22

Thank you. I would first like to celebrate every single person that walked through the door with us and together. Um, I think it's huge like to show up in such a space of mystery, um, to show up for yourself, but also for your community. So thank you so much for bringing your medicine into the field, for bringing your presence and for bringing yourself, for bringing your own lived wisdom into the space. And for those that are feeling, yeah, cracked open, a new skin, lots of questions, a lot of you know, energy that wants to move or perhaps rest. I would say thankfully, we can only move, you know, at the speed of safety. And so I would like to invite in spaciousness. I would like to invite in invite in continued deep nourishment and slowness when it comes to caretaking the body. We had a very shamanic weekend with many different offerings, different sharing circles, ceremonies. And so it can be tempting sometimes to rush into, you know, a brand new space to have tons of conversations, to, you know, dive into making a humongous change. And actually, that's all great, right? We want to continue to collect all the seeds and the kernels, but after major peak experiences, it's actually a really beautiful gift to give self spaciousness to sleep many, you know, extra hours at night, to eat really well, to stay super hydrated, and to journal and to dream and to write and to record all of the beautiful thoughts, visions, remembrances that are unfurling, knowing that there's no pressure cooker to make a humongous jump. There may be jumps, there may be conversations that need to happen. There may be shifts that are like peeling underneath the skin that are like itching for space and room. And the changes or the shifts or the next steps will be true to your own body's lived wisdom. And also, we are here to support different tools that can help us to continue to integrate these remembrances and visions into our bodies so they're not feeling, you know, outside of ourselves. But the reason, you know, I teach breath work and body work and sound healing are because for me, for my entire journey, they've been the most supportive tools in slowing down, in practicing surrendering, in allowing my body to continue to come back to its own intuitive wisdom and not feeling like I need to depend fully on my mind to move everything, but actually to allow the wisdom of the heart to continue to clarify, to support and integrate, you know, the energetics, the visions, the curiosities. It's quite incredible when we give ourselves an hour a day, right? To just to be and to work with, whether it's two-part breath or sound healing practice, but to actually just allow the accordion file folder of the heart or you know, the hips or the sacrum to take up space and to share, you know, their greatest desires, needs, expressions to let the body be a body fully. And from there, like there may be, oh, I absolutely need to write speak with my grandmother, or oh my gosh, like I do want to volunteer in a hospice center and like continue to learn and support those that are about to cross the sacred threshold and learn from them and show up in sacred support. Or perhaps there's something totally different. I mean, there were so many unique experiences and desires coming through the field. So I'm excited to learn from everyone. And I know, you know, you and I and the rest of our team are also here for slowly and lovingly walking together on whether it is like in one-on-one or in group space, we'll have the chance to keep sharing in community around what's happening so that we are not assuming we need to do this in silo. It really is community work, and I think that's also part of the huge joy, right? Is learning from each other and continuing to walk together.

Elena Box 14:01

Yes, so beautifully said. So many, so many things that you've just mentioned just struck so many chords in my heart. And a lot of what you shared will be diving into more deeply as we continue the conversation. There's so many threads. I'm like, and that one, and that one. But something that you said actually brought me to this next question that I have, which is talking about, you know, when when people go through these these big shifts and there might be this inspiration to make a huge change, and like, well, I had this vision and now I have to full steam ahead. So I guess that leads me into this question of what are sort of the biggest mistakes that people make after being in a retreat or a ceremony? And is that one of them?

Speaker 14:55

Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah. And I think for me, something I witness a lot is I'll get emails from folks that have had, you know, huge visions and experiences at an ayahuasca ceremony or a mushroom ceremony, or, you know, they recently did something brand new and there was a major, amazing, like, you

Common Post Ceremony Mistakes

Speaker 15:11

know, moments of unity consciousness, of uh, you know, visions, of diving deep into the astral field and seeing their body in a new way, right? Or having just like a constellation of epiphanies, which is amazing, right? We we love and celebrate when folks are having these, you know, altered uh states of consciousness, you know, outside of body like remembrances in safe ways. And also there can potentially be like a speed at which someone might crave to have another dopamine-infused experience, um, or to similarly continue to ride on um, you know, a vision or an energetic space that they experienced once when in actuality, like I think, you know, I'd love to hear your thoughts too. But for me, like the ultimate ceremony is every day, right? It's like it is the mundane moments of like getting into a fight with your partner, or you know, having a hard conversation with a loved one or a friend, or actually like realizing a friendship or you know, something is no longer in resonance. And rather than like seeking out joy and change, like actually slowing down enough to a continue to make the mundane beautiful, right? Whether that is, oh, I have a walk to work today, like can I spend time and sit with this tree that I love that I feel grounded by and have a ceremony for five to 10 minutes, right? But to actually remember that every single day is a day to practice. And it is actually with our own conscious, you know, natural breath that we have every moment of every day to be in partnership with the divine, with, you know, ourselves, with the universe, with nature, with one another. And I think, yeah, regularly I have clients that are super ready to jump in from ceremony to ceremony to ceremony. Um, and that can be really dangerous for a variety of reasons, right? Like not only is it just unsustainable and can physically harm your body, but you're actually you're missing the point in that case. Like the point is to have spaciousness to integrate and embody the realizations, the visions, the experiences that you may be receiving into a really practical, maybe pragmatic way in life. And so I will often, you know, refer folks that reach out to me to either perhaps explore breath work practice or a dance practice, or, you know, uh to tune into which flowers or herbs are truly like lighting them up in the everyday that are non-hallucinogenic, that are super sustainable to utilize as allies for life. And I think that, yeah, the more we ground slowly, which not we don't always want to do, right? Like when we feel these thunderbolts of like life opening up around us. But that's actually why we're here is to be constant reminders to each other. Like we're all sacred mirrors, and when we can remember the visions we've had and then, you know, embody them into our life in a way that helps us to create the life we dream of and also to support others because we are all one and we are all walking each other home. So, how do we take the time and space post-ceremony to move into the spaces that were once uncomfortable or held a lot of nuance and remeet ourselves and the way that we can actually be more patient, more compassionate, more loving, more understanding, or pick a new, you know, a new story, right? In a space that was once perhaps traumatizing or triggering in our lives. How can we put into practice that every step gets to be intentional and and ceremony if we choose for life to be that way?

Elena Box 18:26

Yes. Yes. Chaya, I'm ready for your own podcast. I want to listen to your podcast. I love your words and thank you for that invitation. I think absolutely I'm in agreement with everything that you just shared. And you know what came to mind is the peak experience. Any any of these kind of peak experiences bring about this feeling. It's almost like of adrenaline. And it reminded me of of being on stage, or you know, when you go and, you know, I've done stand-up comedy and there's this huge rush of that can keep you up all night and you're just kind of you're high from it. And you know, it makes me think of people who are it who are in this profession who are in these peak states consistently and constantly. And if they don't find the tools to ground the experience, to integrate the experience, they end up completely dissolving or exploding or, you know, take your pick. And how it's so important when we come out of a peak experience like that to understand that there's going to be so much that is really alive and vibrant and electric. And it's our job then to have practices, have tools to literally ground it back into the earth, learn from the earth, and use also the earth and and all of her medicines that are therefore free. Go lay on a boulder, it's free. You know, befriend a tree. And there's all of these tools that are here for us that help us integrate these experiences and to have support as well as you go through these big thresholds and and peak experiences. And what also came to mind as you were sharing is in my deep experiences that I've had, the symbols that come through and the messages that come through from spirit sometimes take years or decades to unravel. And so if I were to say, oh, well, I had, you know, this spirit animal came to me in this vision and it showed me doing this, and I need to go do it immediately. Maybe, maybe, you know, maybe in that situation, maybe. But how wonderful to also let these symbols and these visions continue to teach you and guide you. And what you may have seen in that vision, that might be you in deck decades from now. That might not be you right now. That's like the end goal, you know, and this is what you're building towards. And the other thing I would say is to not always take everything so literally because spirit speaks in symbols. And so what you may have received as a vision, I wouldn't always take that as fact. And it's more information for you to continue to tease out, understand, unravel, understand how that makes your you feel in your body. Where does that live in your body? And it can continue to teach you. And so when I work with clients, you know, sometimes if somebody's going through a really huge transformation or transition, they're wanting to really get at it immediately and and and you know, do do the big work right away. And I offer different sessions for this. There are there is the big, all right, let's let's get in there and do the work. But I also recommend we don't do this every week. You know, this is even if you're doing the mini dive, it's it really is like getting energetic surgery. Any one of these huge uh experiences, even if you're not going for a one-on-one shamanic energy medicine session or any of these things, it's energetic surgery. And so you wouldn't go in, you know, for you know, a bypass or any of these things and say, all right, put me back in next week. I'm ready for the next one. Upgrade me, upgrade me, upgrade me. It's like you have to allow.

Speaker 22:31

the body to to receive what just came through and allow yourself to begin to walk through in this next chapter in this next phase with these lessons that you're really just integrating and and and calling into your body and so yeah you brought it yeah go go ahead go ahead I'm ready I'm ready to receive and you know so much right comes through in in the deep in the deep melting right and in the you know we we have seasons for reason right like we have winter so that we can actually use this ancient wisdom that all of our elders that indigenous communities for a lifetime have been reminding us of that there are moments and times too cocoon like to actually like embrace darkness like for some you know ceremonies right shamanic journeys like it's not going to be light and bright and sparkly and exciting like it may actually be a deep letting go and a shedding that requires like continued harm reduction, continued softness, continued anchoring, continued rooting and grounding and you know possibly a time and space where you do want to be more solo or more in your own you know internal space. And I think you know from the feedback we've received so far like we've received a bit of both. And I think you know the group we had 50 folks with us for our last container and you know I've heard folks say like I'm so excited to do X, Y, and Z. And I've also heard folks say I'm in it right now and like I just need to actually like have even more boundaries more protection right now so that I can see myself in new ways and be with myself. And I think there's never one size fits all but that's actually why in circular spaces right in you know the group integration the zoom we're gonna have when we trade codes, when we trade experiences and we have the chance to get outside of our own individual bubbles of of what we felt and saw then we're actually doing group healing work right like your joy becomes my joy if I'm in a deep space of grief and you may actually be able to get in touch with your grief in a new way if I'm in the process of grief because right this is this is the way communities alchemize and hold sacred space for one another. And unfortunately, you know, that is missing in a lot of spaces in the world and especially in a space like New York City, right? New York in general like there's such a speed of life and of deep movement and mindsets that I think like one of the greatest gifts you can give to yourself or to others in integration is is showing up in group, right? Because it's actually from this tree of life that we all uniquely hold ourselves but then in togetherness are actually like alchemizing and remembering how our branches can actually support like even more life, even more vitality, even more support right when one person has a little extra energy one day and the other right needs to rest. Like how do we find this like sacred balance and pendulum of learning from each other's past that are all so unique and also shared.

Elena Box 25:19

Mm-hmm. And so this brings to mind the topic du jour which is the art of letting go and so to weave this into the conversation I'll I'll lead us with this question. And you brought up something which is so important which is the sharing in community and we will be talking a bit more about that as we continue this conversation. So something that you mentioned is is the importance of sharing about our experiences

Letting Go Of Being Understood

Elena Box 25:51

and how much medicine there is in her hearing from somebody's else's experiences even if it's the antithesis of what you experienced and what that brings up for you. And so this leads me into this question which is after going through a big experience like this, there is this almost want or craving to share about that experience.

Speaker 26:16

And that can so often be misunderstood and how you know to put words into the formless, into the wordless into things that that there is no word for right so this is the question which how how can we let go of needing others to understand your experience for me it's a practice right of really being discerning in my life as to with whom you know I feel safe and trusting truly allowing into my own you know dream visions, my own experiences, my own shamanic journeys I have, thank God, like a shamanic community yourself included that you know I can talk about owls with all day long and it makes sense and there's this ease and this joy and there's this deep like familiar resonance and also like shared space holding for one another because we have a shared language right and we're also learning from each other different experiences and insights but it's there's a feeling of home perhaps and I think similarly like we learn a lot from folks that don't understand anything we're saying, right? Like there's so much medicine in remembering and engaging with souls from just a heart-centered space to understand what mirror we're being shown. And maybe there's one of dissonance or maybe it's one of deep resonance but like bless the process of engaging and finding out where we can learn from each other's journeys, each other's shared insights and also very different vantage points. And ultimately when you go to sleep at night, how do you feel going into your own bed, right? After a day of doing the thing you love most and putting your heart out there and being in your mission and standing in your truth like are you able to kind of connect right with all of the parts of self and have a little dinner table of just hey how's my protector? How's my inner child? How is how's my hero today, right? Like what did we learn and how do we feel continuing to unite and continuing to dissolve together to remember like all of the parts are needed to be a multidimensional spirit. And so at least for me like I'm so grateful for my teachers that have turned me back to myself and who have supported me in walking through different doorways that have shown me so much more space to grow, so much more I could lean into stretch into so many new tools. But ultimately I'm so thankful for my teachers that have said hey you actually can sit with yourself and the trees today in silence and you're gonna learn everything you need to know for the day. And to remember there is right, there's no certificate for that there's no hey you know I recently went into the Amazon and I surrendered. I surrendered on this you know two week dieta in the unknowing being pretty uncertain as to what was going to unfold but my heart and my spirit called me forth so strongly that it was like an invitation I could not refuse. And it was a chance to actually go into the deep quiet and into the deep mystery and into be in my own unknowing in which I thank you know Hashem, God, great spirit like I received so much insight as to who I am, what I'm here for, where I was blocking myself, what my mind was holding on to for maybe years that needed continued softening or massaging and getting to sing and draw and paint and and truly be in my own yin experience which I really think is you know the feminine divine right and I think we all hold these different like parts the masculine the feminine structure yang right the creative soft like internal flow and creating our own celestial spaces to rest into. And I'm so grateful for the moments in life where I've both in large moments and like quieter moments leaned into the sacredness of self-space and knowing that my internal state is going to always be you know flowing through me to another. So being cognizant of how we impact each other through the time we have taken to continue to get to know ourselves and really date our own hearts.

Speaker 2 29:56

I love that dating our own hearts it's so important.

Elena Box 30:02

Have a finger on the pulse of your own heart and what lights you up and you know for me it's going to see shows or going to a good museum it's it's going to see the Philharmonic or a beautiful piece of dance or for me it just lights me up in a way that nothing else can or watching a good parade. You know I love a parade. There's these things that just pull at your heartstrings you know and it's so important to have those little touchstones. And so this leads us into the next section beautifully because you you you've already led us there. This is why I love having these conversations which is really about returning to the body and you touched on this earlier before and so I'll bring us back in and really the question is why can't we think our way into healing and I give you this question because I'm curious for you because you've developed so many of these tools has there ever been a time in your life where you were sort of wanting to think your

Why The Body Leads Healing

Elena Box 31:06

way through the healing and I I'm really curious about sort of like the balance of when the thinking mind is useful and when to tune more into the body.

Speaker 31:21

So there's a lot of different avenues you can go down there but I'll I'll thank you for it's bringing me to so many different rebirth moments I've had where you know perhaps I did put myself into a pressure cooker of wanting to have a solution or wanting to understand you know what was happening in my internal world and you know how to make a change like quickly and rapidly and I'm so grateful for actually those moments where you know I I did move beyond my body's wisdom because the ruptures and you know the the grief and moving too quickly at times actually was also an amazing teacher in learning about harm reduction for myself, which is now why my life is dedicated to this work from the times where I was either in containers that didn't feel super safe, you know, or I was trying to move too quickly than my body was ready for and being brought back to you know an acid trip in the desert that was one of the greatest gifts of my life. It was one of the most challenging psychedelic experiences. And it was everything I needed in 2019 to be able to learn where I still held ancestral trauma and grief and shadow and parts that were just begging to speak and to share and to be held and to be witnessed. And thank goodness for the energy of the desert the energy of my own spirit team for inviting me into what was one of the most painful and most rewarding you know shamanic deaths and rebirthing ceremonies of my lifetime and I wanted I wanted to understand what had happened. I wanted to write a story put words to you know this experience but thank goodness like I had the wisdom of many other elder shamanic teachers, masseuses, breathwork guides to hop onto many different tables, many different meditative circles to continue to give my body space and to learn because through each container and through each teaching I was able to really come from this aerial perspective to look at the different parts that were begging for attention and care and you know listening to start learning about what truly worked for me, what truly felt supportive on an alchemical, energetic and spiritual level and to go through kind of a chrysalis, a cocoon awakening to decipher the tools that I've been sharing nonstop because they made such an impact and they helped me put together my entire life's journey with J say with hilarious, you know, right where we're always a work in process in progress. But thank God for my teachers and for not doing the work alone and for not trying to rush past deep pain and deep you know exhaustion. Like there were moments where my body was shaking you know for hours at a time post psychedelic journey because it was actually showing me and teaching me where I needed to slow down and be with stillness, you know, three times more where I needed a hand on the back of my heart to give that back of the heart space to scream, cry, laugh the history right the history of our body and every part fascia cell that has so much like a planet of intelligence and information to to be heard, to be seen, to be loved. And so you know thousands of sessions later like these same tools that I kind of uncovered both in self-initiation at times and through the support of my teachers like are absolutely my favorite lung love language to share with the world. And I'm curious for you too I know you and I have so much in common when it comes to creating these sacred womb spaces for folks to really relish in their own bodily wisdom that sometimes shows up in unique ways. And I think you know in the shamanic world right like we are constantly navigating the unseen through sound, through ancient technology through the elements, through remembering like we don't have to do this work alone. Thank God we we have these like sacred technologies to hold us so that this certain rattling this certain drumming actually wakes up the fire of the belly which can wake up our ancestral wisdom which can wake up the remembrance in like the warrior parts of ourself that have already moved through deep grief, deep pain, you know, Herculaic moments in life and come out on the other side. And so it's such a joy to share what I have learned. It's such a joy to continue learning how every single instrument I hold both for my own body but also for those I'm serving and supporting hopefully can be a keynote in like the symphony of self to exhale, to receive a vision, to remember that the body has its own unique and divine timing and coding and language and infinite infrastructure that does perfectly when we give it the sacred support and sacred care and sacred nourishment. And I work with so many folks with PTSD anxiety like deep trauma in the body and in the medical world and in the Western world thank God we do have so many advancements and so much support. But I think that in you know indigenous traditions and in these ancient traditions of love, compassion slowness working with the natural herbal you know plant worlds and with our lungs as our greatest teachers there is so much that can only really be perhaps unlearned or repatterned through honoring each individual's bodily wisdom and making space to learn from each other I mean there's like nothing I can even say in response because it's just so good.

Elena Box 37:01

Yeah yeah I feel that I feel that wow you know what comes to mind is you know you you you mentioned the breath right and I think one of the biggest sort of compliments I've ever received from a student who was coming to my yoga classes and I'm here teaching on Long Island was she said to me she said well Lena you taught me how to breathe and you know it seems so simple right so if you're approaching this from the logical with the logical mind you go of course we're all we breathe you you're born you breathe and then you die and you're not breathing and that's it. But how much wisdom there is when you invite the breath in as a teacher and how it's the ultimate tool that leads to all of the other tools. And especially when I think about this in terms of like how to explain the work that we do, you know, here on Long Island so what do you do? Where right you know and and so you know leading me back to sort of the question that I asked you initially was like how do we approach this from a logical mind and and I think what I try to sort of lead people back to is remembering their own humanity and inviting the breath into their bodies and beginning to just start from there with a sense of curiosity. But I think more than anything the the way that I invite people in is well there's many ways to do it but but it would be to first invite the breath in and begin to invite in this remembrance of of who they are you know and then you can begin to unpack and layer in and everything else but there has to first kind of be this willingness and this curiosity and more than anything with all of this work is I want people to know to know that this is for everyone. You know you can come in your in your in your basketball shorts or your your golf tee come as you are we're all human. And so there is this shared language and also giving yourself the permission to be not even just permission but but but giving yourself the gift to be in spaces with practitioners who are able to lead you back home to yourself. And something you mentioned too is the importance of being with community as well and and that is another part of of the conversation of where I wanted to lead us is like the importance of being witnessed because yes you know I can sit here on my studio floor invite in all of my guides, my ancestors, my my spirits listen you know, rum or dradle myself myself or listen to a tune or a track or you know go into this ceremony by myself. And obviously so much can come through just from me doing the work by myself but how much can also come through when we're with other people and even just the medicine of the space of other people's experiences coming in and how important that is as we're going through really huge transitions.

Speaker 40:31

Yes, sister, to do this work together in circular spaces and it really is amazing right with you, you know, for the for our listeners if you look across yourself in a circle whether it's yoga meditation breath work you know cookhouse ceremony likelinesses like the person directly across from you has a sacred offering mirroring for you and similarly like you know domes were created right so that we could remember that every point holds a key, it holds a code like the infrastructure crumbles without and so I love what you just shared and it just reminds me of you know so many different breath work and sound ceremonies and medicine ceremonies I've led and that you and I have led together where you know a wave will move through the field right someone will have a huge release whether it is grief whether it is joy whether it is orgasmic right what is it to be human that's what we're in the infinite research of right and thank goodness it's so juicy and joyful and challenging and every brush stroke of color in between but to actually stay in the tension and then move tension together to uncover, you know, I've had so many groups where like people discovered they were there was like a German Jewish circle right in a field because of certain sounds and vocalities and tones that were moving through a vocal toning journey or you know a group that was realizing like they actually have like soul and lifetime contract work to do based off of a grunting or groaning that reminded them of grief that they hadn't felt in 10 years. And it really is right like it's seemingly simple, you know, on the surface but it's some of the richest work we can do together is to share our raw emotional codes because those create not only so much permission prayer and healing like in these microcosms that we're gathering in, but in the collective when we remember it's safe to gather safe to go into the the you know the closed eyed realm to remember our third eye's wisdom, right? To remember how to trust the breath to carry us and you know I love this two-part breath practice that I was taught you know and that has changed my life because we're actually unlocking the endogenous DMT, the dopamine in our brains, which similar to ayahuasca similar to you know working with mushrooms acid, it's free. It's our it's our you know a soul's passport to truth, to expression and actually you know moves through us to unlock each and every energy center in chakra so that the mycelium network of cells of fascia of spirit of infinite really drawers of memory and information get the chance to dance right and move the same way water in a singing bowl starts to when you when you start to move the the bowl right like the water will start to dance and activate and like move in different patterns that is happening on a cellular level which is why for those of us that have deep pain you know deep trauma in a leg and a jaw right in our hand not only are we healing ourselves through our own vocality and through our own remembrance that fresh oxygen can with intention can actually supercharge all parts releasing carbon dioxide releasing stuck stagnant energy suddenly helps us to create this new elixir of presence of remembrance of having perhaps very somatic or very visionary remembrances of our soul's truth of our soul's essence as you said, right? Like remembering who we are and on a felt sense sharing that in circle in ceremony with the chance to then compare a few notes on what we saw and what we remembered because not only does that work support ourselves on an individual level but sharing gives so much more permission right for each of us to remember what's possible. And I actually teach a class called the possibility portal and it's about seeding possibility seeds in togetherness through being witnessed through holding a thread line that this work isn't solo, it's collective.

Elena Box 44:17

Yeah you're about to yeah please there's so much there's so much oh gosh there's a because wow okay so I'll lead us into this next question which okay So you actually are just coming off of this month-long dieta in Peru. So you're actually in your own integration moment. And so I'm curious. Yeah, I know, I know. And you've been, oh gosh. So because I'd love for you to first sort of give our listener an idea of where you went, what you did. Give

Peru Dieta And What It Asked

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us the full light scenery. But because just from what you shared before you went on your trip, I was like, God, this sounds amazing. But then that leads me into the question of what did Peru ask you to let go of? And what wisdom are you bringing home?

Speaker 45:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2 45:21

Yeah.

Speaker 45:22

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your support and helping me integrate in this very moment as every single day. It is a continued journey. And I really believe the work we did together was truly one of my prayers, you know, in my dieta was how do we continue to come together in these ways to work together on, you know, our missions that I believe are truly much more similar than they're not. So let's see, going back in time, I had a calling, like it was like this literally, like it felt like tension in my body pulling me ever since I saw one of my dear brothers who's a mestizo and a Wachumero, who I sat with a year ago in Peru and had the most beautiful Wachuma ceremony, you know, in the Sacred Valley, and felt so connected, felt so held, felt so supported by my brother in this beautiful journey, which, you know, to this day, like looking back, I can call in this day and the wisdom I received on that trip. And it supports me every single day of my life. And so when I found out that he and his partner, who is a doctor and a medicine woman, which I really love, they really blend the shamanism and science. And, you know, Heather is the most incredible medicine woman and cancer researcher and acupuncturist and also integration guide. So I, the two of them, when they offered this journey with their teacher, Maestro Fernando, who's also mestizo, to go sit, to go study, to go clear, right? This very busy, very noisy, you know, channel at times that it is to be human by going into deep discipline, by cleaning out the body, saying yes to a really specific, you know, preparatory dieta structure, releasing, you know, alcohol, releasing caffeine, releasing any additional medicines, releasing really everything other than nourishing, you know, fruits, veggies, some meat, but being so specific. My body was like, this is exactly what you need as someone who holds space for a lot of people to have this time and space in the quiet to go back within your own caves and keep learning and keep receiving even more courage to do the work you're here to do on this earth by working with plants, by working with ayahuasca, by working with this sacred plant ally that I was, you know, appoint anointed, appointed. Um, we were all, you know, given a different plant that would be our plant based off of our intention for the dieta. So I studied with an ancient shamanic tree named Lapuna. And she's a, I want to say, 200-plus-year-old Amazonian mother of the forest. The minute I heard her name, I started kind of like getting a little teary and like my body got softer. And I just felt this like very distant relative that I wanted to know every single thing about, to study her roots, to study her strength, to study her learnings and wisdom through being such a channel of the jungle, through holding so many different animals and births, and rebirths, and deaths, and composting cycles for all the nourishment she provided for the jungle. So I was, you know, two weeks later on a boat heading down the Amazon River from Pucalpa, and so grateful to be in such a beautifully held, lovingly held container for deep work, where we, you know, for two weeks sat in our tombos, meditated, listened to the beautiful sounds of the cicadas, the butterflies, the macaws, the birds, the butterflies, like every type of animal that I've dreamt of meeting of. They were there to welcome us and to greet us. And we started to learn, you know, how to prepare our own bobansana tea, how to go into the jungle and learn about so many different tree varieties and flowers and healing barks and plants that would actually be continuously supportive, not only to ourselves, but to our communities. I'm so grateful for the indigenous wisdom that we received from having the most loving, grandfatherly mestizo who listened to each of our individual prayers and desires and really supported us in working with our plant ally to ask all the questions, to do our own work on ourselves. So I would drink almost a liter of Lapuna's bark every morning in the river and pray and listen and grieve and laugh and work with tobacco, this beautiful ancient medicine that has been so supportive on my path. And then with the support of ayahuasca, with the support of song and collective unity, really in ceremony every other night, we, you know, gave ourselves up to these medicines. And I received so many insights. One that I'll share now is just we do have to close our eyes sometimes. We really to get out of our own way, right? The ego loves safety, loves to have a story. And so, you know, you asked a question earlier, right, about how to keep trusting, you know, the wisdom of the body. And I'm so grateful for these medicines that have taught me time and time again how much more my body's capable of, and how much more strength, how much more resilience, how much more joy is accessible in my spirit, in my own tree of life through continuous INI, right? And in the Andean tradition, that means sacred reciprocity, through caretaking our planet, through caretaking each other, through literally putting palms together and remembering we are not in control, but we do have gratitude, right? We do have prayer, we do have one another to keep dreaming of the dream in connectivity, in unity, in collaboration with all beings, with all plants, with all of the infinite medicine of this mother earth. And so I received a lot of visions about, you know, circles that I dream of holding that I want to create for leaders to keep coming forth together, to keep sharing different wisdom with one another, to keep connecting communities from different lands, different wisdom keepings, to keep supercharging each other with what lights each of us up independently and together to be in service to the earth, to be, you know, in the Hebrew tradition, it means takuno alam. How do we get outside of ourselves to keep showing up and giving back and repairing, you know, any harm? Um, and so I'm so thankful. Like this, the two weeks for me were a deep softening into my body's remembrance, into my soul's remembrance. Um, and really I felt like gave me a lot of visions for my prayers and how to show up for our festival, but also how to keep showing up for all of my students and for those that depend on me as they're also walking their own walk. And I think like I'm so grateful, right, for every person that's held my hand as I walk through a new doorway. And I will continue to throw my hand out there for others. And I know you're doing the same, and that like there's just there's so many ways to continue to remember that each vertebrae of our own is not only its own tree of life, but if we caretake our bodies as the sacred vessels, they are, they will continue to provide us and provide one another. And you as a mama, like, gosh, the life you are holding and giving your life and your light and your energy to, it was such a gift to witness you holding the field and facilitating with your motherly and shamanic medicine, and to see you hands on your belly while lifting, like you know, feathers to the sky, like my goodness. Like, I'm so grateful that all of our ancestors were there to witness and be with us in what's been unfolding.

Elena Box 52:43

Wow. And this leads so beautifully into this next topic, which is really about our lineage and our ancestors. And something you mentioned, obviously, is I have I have this little baby girl growing here in my womb. And what's amazing is it's not just her that's in my womb. Right now, she carries all of the eggs that she will ever have. And so right now I'm also carrying my granddaughters and my well, my grandchildren, really. And it's such a wonderful feeling and so epic. And so

Ancestors Lineage And Living Wisdom

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that leads me into this next topic, which I feel like we needed a whole other whole other podcast episode just about this, but we'll we'll sort of finish out in this conversation. And so I'd love to invite in your grandmother Inga, who is really a living ancestor. And I'd love to hear a bit about your relationship with her and something you mentioned in your your share was was about caretaking and repairing harm. And what comes to mind, especially when we think about integration, and as we're going through these huge portals and transformations, is so much wisdom comes through of how we can heal our lineage and carry forth wisdom for future generations to repair harm from the past, right? And you are in this very unique position where you have this living ancestor. And so I'm really curious, you know, as somebody who works with both ancestral lineage and plant medicine, how do you see healing moving in both directions, honoring what was passed down while consciously choosing what we pass forward and how this relationship with Inga informs this? Yeah.

unknown 54:39

Yeah.

Speaker 54:41

Well, I had the great blessing yesterday to decompress and be with my grandmother, who is a 96-year-old Holocaust survivor. My grandma Inga, my snow owl, my greatest teacher, my best friend, my lighthouse, our family's lighthouse. She is the impossible made possible. She escaped from Nazi Germany when she was seven years old on one of the last boats, just before she would have been shipped to the to Auschwitz. So she, you know, she always tells the story about how while she was on the boat, you know, and and Lady Liberty started to come into the horizon as they were making their way to the island. She jumped on the other side of the boat to try to balance uh, you know, the support for the community so the boat wouldn't tip over. And that's my grandmother, you know, she taught herself English over several years, you know, when she came here terrified and caretaking, her siblings had just lost, you know, her mother. And she is one of the most avid students, scholars, you know, justice seekers, social work, you know, master therapist. Like she put herself through Columbia Social Work School, raised my mom and her siblings in Rockland County in New York, where I now have my roots, you know, in New York as well. And throughout my entire life, she has just been the greatest ally for peace, for community healing, for continuing to believe in the impossible. And one of her favorite songs is Imagine. And she just, she actually taught classes on how to prepare for death in her nursing home, in her elderly home for all of her fellow family and residents to continue to prepare for these different sacred thresholds. And I feel beyond honored that throughout my own journey in seeking out the mystery and in studying, you know, Kabbalah and the Jewish mystical path and also weaving with different lineages, she has been so supportive of the unification of all traditions, of really wanting me to be so proud of my roots, of Judaism, of sharing with me so many traditions that continue, you know, to be the most beautiful, joyful ways to come together in community on Shabbats, on high holidays, but also just in asking questions, in remembering that what we don't know is also a huge blessing for the infinite learning of this life, of these lifetimes. And she just asks these questions similar to you that like stop you in your tracks and help your soul to catch up with your body. She's one of the most patient people I know. And for someone who's been through so much and lost so much, she learned how to create richness in spirit, in the mystery, uh, in the medicine of family and community, and has always been one of the most loving medicine women I know of helping folks to remember their own gifts, remember their own infinite strength and capacity and resilience. And so it's been a real blessing in my own shamanic studies to uncover my spirit animal, which is an owl, which she is for me. She's constantly sending me owls, she's constantly reminding me we don't even need to have our eyes open at times to be able to see the infinite possibilities of the unknown and how to alchemize those into our everyday lives. So on my altar, there's many different, you know, totems and spirit allies that are that are her that help me to remember my own roots of strength, resilience, of capacity, and of love. And so that's something that I teach and share with many communities is how to uncover your own power animal and whether, you know, that power animal is ancestral, is actually a wing teacher or a four-legged or a two-legged. There are so many guides we're available to have in these lifetimes. And thank God for those of our guides that are here on this planet earth, my grandmother included, but also through breath, through sound, through bodywork, I really believe we all have the chance to welcome in both those that have passed on if we choose to, their wisdom, their love, their support, but also those that we're open to learning from, whether that's a plant ally, you know, a flower, a sacred symbol, right? A totem. And you and I both, you know, we have our altar kits, and it was such a gift to weave actually the four of our, you know, altars together for Beyond the Veil to actually bring all of our family, right, and our ancestral like wisdom and remembrance and our individual totems that have provided ourselves, right, with so much healing, as well as those we have been in service to. And so I'm really grateful that, yeah, my grandmother has been there for me in every step and taught me truly to believe that everything is is possible. And as long as your heart is open, you'll always know where home is and that you can create a sense of home wherever you are in the world. So I'm really, yeah, grateful, grateful for her. Thank you for asking. She's she's here, she's like right next to us.

Elena Box 59:20

Yeah. Oh, what a what a treat. And and yeah, it's so lovely to hear you speak about her. And the reason I bring in really Inga in this whole conversation is some of what I shared and what was shared and beyond the veil. And and really it's kind of the whole name of the game of what I love to talk about is is weaving in these conversations, especially with the people that we love. And what I had offered in the retreat was inviting people to think about what kind of conversations they need to have with their loved ones. And so I'll open this question up to you and then we'll we'll start to wrap it up, even though, gosh, we could talk forever. But I'll leave you with this last one, which is what conversations do you hope people have with their parents or grandparents while they still can?

Speaker 1:00:16

Yeah, thank you. You know, something I took away from my training with Anelda, you know, I went through my Naidula training in part to better prepare myself to support my grandmother and myself and our family with continued tools, continued community support, continued resources for these moments in life where we are preparing to walk alongside

Conversations To Have Before Death

Speaker 1:00:36

our beloveds. And something that I did that I would really invite everyone to think about doing is creating a living celebration, you know, when it feels like the right time, whether you know that a loved one is in the midst of their transition or well before, it is always a beautiful time to celebrate one's life. So we actually had, you know, whether you want to call it a life celebration, a living funeral, but we had a sacred ceremony for my grandmother so that she could hear everything that we will be reading again and again and printing and putting onto, you know, totems all over the world about her so that she knows from the wells of our hearts just how much of an impact she's had on us and that she got to hear us. So we actually unified our family altars. We all created a mandala for her in her honor, and we just went around and shared. And it was actually like one of the first times I really feel she allowed us, she really received. Usually she's holding all of us and uh wanting to caretake and nourish all of us, but she allowed us to just really share with her everything we'd ever wanted to say. And there's always more, but we we tried. And so I would really encourage for those that are, you know, in the midst of supporting a loved one or just having conversation well beforehand, asking your loved one during their last days, their last week, what do they desire most? Who do they want to be with? What type of space environment, what would feel most nourishing and supportive to their soul? Are there traditions? Is there music? Are there types of foods? Are there types of aromas? What type of space would feel most enlivening, most beautiful, most true to their soul's essence that you can be a part of supporting ceremony for that you can help activate so that, you know, in those final hours, you're holding their wishes top of mind, top of heart, and helping them really to move through a sacred doorway in the most beautiful, most harmonious way possible. With that in mind, you know, there are so many options. And, you know, we were so lucky to have Shana supporting and teaching about green burials, about different types of, you know, uh preparation processes when one is dying. It's so important to ask questions about one's wishes, right? From their will to who they'd like to have with them to their way they'd like for their body to be treated, right? The more we know, the more we as doulas, the more we as communities and care systems can be there for each other. And that's also another question is what does your loved one or friend's care system look like? Maybe you're not sure yet. Maybe you have an idea, but maybe they haven't said it themselves. Oops, are you there?

Elena Box 1:03:05

Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 1:03:06

My care system. So yeah, these are invitations to speak with your loved ones and to get specific and whether it's a day of journaling or painting or drawing, but asking questions that are challenging because the more we ask, the more we learn, and the more we actually find even more comfort in going into these spaces and places and remembering that they're all sacred, both the challenge, the grief, you know, stricken questions, the more we allow them to move from our awareness and into conversation, especially, you know, with friends, we have death cafes all over the world. You and I and our team are likely going to be putting on, you know, different events and gathering spaces where we can not only convene around the wisdom of our loved ones and those we've lost, but also about how we take better care of our everyday aliveness, which also means honoring our death, right? Life and death are are hand in hand. They are all one. So the more we can honor and be in practice in the way that we hopped into coffins, you know, at our festival to be in practice with this not being an other experience, but this not being a taboo experience, but actually a way to honor life's infinite doorways and windows to the yin and yang, the polarity, the spectrum of what's available in every moment that also feeds each other and ultimately our planet. How do we, how do we continue to have that thread line woven together?

Elena Box 1:04:24

So beautifully said, Chaya. Thank you. I feel like for anybody who wasn't with us at Beyond the Veil, everything you just shared was like, and this, and that's that's it.

Speaker 2 1:04:35

There you go.

Elena Box 1:04:36

So thank you, thank you, thank you for for that beautiful offering. And to to wrap it up, even just for myself, is to remember that all of this work that we do for me is eyes on elderhood. So that I may, if I am so lucky, get to sit in that seat as grandmother and have all of my little grandbabies around me and children who can then reflect that back to me, that hopefully I have lived in a way that has been useful for them, that has been nourishing and nutritive for them, that I might receive that back and be a wise elder. So that's eyes on elderhood is doing it, my dear.

Speaker 1:05:19

I'm so grateful for all the wisdom you share for your beautiful heart, for all the ways your ancestors move and speak through you. It's so beautiful to learn from you with you and to walk together. Thank you.

Elena Box 1:05:31

Likewise, likewise, likewise. So, for our dear listener, where can they find you? What do you offer? And let us know a little bit about what you have coming up because I know there's some really juicy offerings that our listener is probably going to be interested in.

Speaker 1:05:48

Thank you, Elena. I'm so grateful for you. And listeners would be honored to hear from you if you have questions, you want to chat. My website is www.feelingsfelt.com. I'm on all the things, Instagram and WhatsApp. I have a WhatsApp community called the Feelings Felt Community. We have

Where To Find Chaya And Offerings

Speaker 1:06:06

regular breath work, sound journeys, retreats, somatic reset weekends. Would be thrilled to have you with us. If you're wanting to gather with other like-minded kindred spirits who want to talk about their feelings, dive into life full on and really alchemize with our energy bodies through somatic and shamanic practice. Please join us. I have a possibility portal class on the 16th and the 30th at Reforester's Laboratory in Williamsburg. And I am also going to be hosting a women's medicine retreat in the Sacred Valley on November 16th to the 26th, and would be thrilled for any women who are seeking to slow down, nourish self, gather in community with other medicine women to learn, to receive, to share your own wisdom, to visit sacred sites and learn from my teachers. We will all be gathering to hold sacred space for us to go together back into the womb space of the Andes and continue to nourish, nourish ourselves, nourish the planet, and bring our light around the planet together.

Elena Box 1:07:04

And please, listener, check out all of her wonderful resources. Everything will be in the show notes. If I wouldn't be about to be having a baby in November, I would so be there. So I hope you offer something like this, and I'm sure you will again in the future.

Speaker 1:07:21

I will come to you after your baby here to honor your mama medicine and hold you in sacred ceremony if you would so like. It's so exciting, Elena. I'm so honored to be witnessing you on this amazing, extraordinary path of creation, of medicine, and of sacred support. And thank you to the great mystery for bringing us together in the most beautiful and aligned ways.

Elena Box 1:07:44

Isn't that amazing? And by the way, listener, I found her on Instagram. I don't even remember when it was years ago. I remember just finding you and being like, oh, I like her. And here we are. So wow, thank you so much for sharing. I know our listener has received just as much, if not more, into their hearts from everything that you have shared. So thank you so much. Hiya Hannah Cohen. What a beautiful soul. And so to our listener, thank you so much for joining us. This has been another episode of the Ode to Joy podcast.

Speaker 1:08:20

Thank you, Elena, so much.