Episode 143: The Labour Party in Crisis

The Labour Party is in termoil and Keir Starmer is hanging on for dear life as PM. We discuss who the next leader will be, the Mandelson scandal taking more scalps, Stella Creasy dancing while Rome burns, the parliamentary Labour party’s ‘chumocracy’ of former third sector wonks, and why Reform will win big on May 7th.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:18

Hello and welcome to Red Femme dispatching from the UK. We are all run by a cabal of satanic pedophiles. Has the world ended? What's going on? So for those of you outside of this lovely little island, basically, um our Prime Minister Kirstarmer and David Lamy, the foreign secretary, appointed a man called Peter Mandelson. Isn't David Lamy the vice is the vice at the time he was the foreign secretary during the meeting of the appointment? Oh right, sorry, sorry. Um appointed a man called Peter Mandelson with very close ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Also was on the board of a Russian energy company with ties to the Kremlin to be the foreign secretary of to the United States, which the United States, which is quite a prestigious post. Obviously, after the Epstein files dropped, we find that there were emails exchanged, potentially information given, all occurring after Jeffrey Epstein was convicted for paedophilia the first time. So we had an ongoing correspondence and friendship with a paedophile. The wrinkles have been is that, of course, before you become an ambassador to a country, you go through a vetting process. The government hires a company to do this vetting process for you. Peter Maddelson, as you may imagine, did not pass this advanced vetting. And Keir Starmer is saying that he was not made aware of this. He didn't know. They're trying to blame one particular civil servant for not passing on the information. But there is also communication from Keir Starmer's office that said things, not from Keir Starmer himself, but from other people saying, just fucking get it done, just appoint him. And apparently this was all announced and made public before they even got the vetting information back. So it was clear that Peter Mandelson was a political appointee that they desperately wanted to be the ambassador of the United States. Peter Mandelson was connected to the Blair administration, has been a labor insider for years and years. People are saying this is an example of uh what's the word that they're using? It's not budocracy. What's another word? Chum, chumocracy. You know, we're all a bunch of chums, we want to get along. And they're saying this will bring down the prime minister. Here Starmer is really relying on this thing of, well, the process wasn't followed and the problem was the process. But this man has been involved in several uh political scandals before we even knew he was in contact with a satanic pedophile on the regular basis. So it didn't seem like a very um, you know, wise appointment to begin with. And uh what's interesting about the whole episode is that there doesn't seem to be a someone waiting in the benches to take the labor leader job. This all seems very fraught. People are saying Angela Rayner and Miliband potentially West Streeting, though Angela Rayner has issues with taxes, and Miliband has already lost, and West Streeting also has contact with um Peter Mandelson. So it's a bit of a mess. And what I really struck me as I was watching um Prime Prime Minister's Questions time was this just real reliance on the process and bureaucracy, and the process wasn't followed, and if only the process was followed. And it's this very neoliberal, professional managerial class way of handling it. And Keir Starmer's defense is essentially the process wasn't followed, the process failed. If the process was followed, everything would be fine. And it's really interesting. This kind of thing it makes me thoughtful of like Mark Fisher's neoliberal Stalinism critique, this idea that there are no people, there are no human beings involved in any decision-making. There is just these kind of amorphous processes. Whereas obviously, if you speak to the average voter and said, hey, you know that guy that was involved with that satanic pedophile and also was involved in several scandals in the early 2000s. Do you think that he should be uh the ambassadors who are most important ally? I think the average person would say no. So that's what's been going on.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

Yeah, most people do not care about process. It just sounds like you're fudging the issue, which is also true. Like I think Kist Arm is sincere. I think he is a man who's completely amoral. I think he just believes in process, but it is also a helpful kind of buck passing. Because as you say, it's as if you're not really passing it to a person. Yeah, you're just passing it to this process which was originally created by people, but God knows now who's in charge of it. And yeah, I think that the Labour Party is facing a crisis. We have the national council elections on May 7th, so in about a week and a bit. And for those outside the UK, a council is really like your neighborhood. But the that sounds small scale, but because it's a national election, it's done on a very large scale across the country, it often is um an indication of who's going to win the next general election. It's it is actually high stakes, is what I'm trying to get across. And there is a lot of speculation that there is right now a coup being mounted against Keir Starmer. And if he doesn't go now willingly over this scandal, then the fact that reform are going to blitz the local elections and Labour are going to lose massively in the local council elections, that then that will be when he's really pushed out. So you're right that they also don't really know who to replace him with. Um Angela Rayner, the tax issue, just to be clear, was more of an excuse. The reason that Angela Rayner was pushed out is that she stabbed so many other people in the back, in Lake, including Kirstama, who were her allies. I mean, she was made deputy leader.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

And this is a a Redfil exclusive, because Jen has insider knowledge. I have little birdies. She has little birdies from being on the left for so long. The tax thing. Well, I think other people have speculated this, but basically she has not had the best personal conduct.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Well, she even stabbed in the back the man she was sleeping with, who I won't name, but another, you know, Labourite. And she's known to she's done this successively, not slept with then stabbed in the back, but stabbed in the back. Numerous, numerous people. And I think that she is from the lumping class and they don't have loyalty as a value. The working class does. It's almost our number one, like we'll die for our mates or whatever. Angela Rayner doesn't have that. And so she didn't realise that you couldn't just go around screwing everyone over who'd helped you so far and who basically thought that they were, if not your friend, your ally, or in fact that you were in a romantic relationship. So she is not going to manage it because she doesn't have any allies anymore after basically um showing herself to be untrustworthy, right? By um breaking various pacts with people or turning on people or whatever. I think West Streeting is considered too close to Peter. He was close to Peter Anderson, or at least there it there's that um narrative has been built. We don't really know if it's true. I always thought it was going to be West Streeting, I don't think it is. The person who people believe it is, is gonna be Ed Miliband, who was the Labour leader for a long time but then lost the general election. But he's seen as likable and a kind of reliable set of hands, actually, compared to the rest of the shit show. So if I had to bet, I would put my money on Ed Miliband.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

I think that some people are saying Rayner, despite her enemies within the party, because there is a narrative on the left of Labour that basically what's gone wrong is the right of labor, blue labor, these Blairite people have run amok, and the left of labor needs to regain power within the party. And Angela Rayner, because of comments she's made, that's very pro-migration, the kind of tenants' rights stuff that she's been pushing, her kind of very um solidly um working class, stroke, lower class background makes people think she's an obvious choice to kind of bring this regime change and get rid of the Blairites, despite her internal enemies, that people would be more likely to vote for a Rayner than a streeting who's from that same milieu as Starmer and Mandelson and so on.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Ed Miliband, I would say, is to the left of Angela Rayner. I know she does the talk where she has this particular broad regional accent. But actually, on issue to issue, when you don't listen to the accent or even the rhetoric and you see what she's in favor of in policy, Ed Miliband is Ed Miliband is who the trade unions want.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Problem is with Ed Miliband is they've given him the net zero account, which has made him incredibly unpopular with working class people, the kind of like ULES policies, fuel prices. This is not like a very pro-worker, um, you know, these kind of regulations and policies to do with net zero have not been very popular among working people. So that presents its own sort of problems. There really is not an obvious choice, though people are more apparently there are more rumblings that it it will be Raynar because they want to kind of get rid of this um Blairite baggage is kind of the idea.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Yeah, I mean, conduct aside and policy preferences aside, she's a great figurehead. Yeah, right. She's very likable as a person. She seems very likable. I don't know if I'd actually like her if I got to know, but you know what I mean. Uh that'll never happen. As of as a figure, yes. But I would say that if it was just a vote of the membership, but everybody in a trade union gets a vote, whether you're in the Labour Party or not. And if the line comes down that your union is voting for Ed Miliband, you're much more than inclined to go on and and vote Ed Miliband.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Yeah. I just think that they're aware that net zero policies are very unpopular and they they want to stay in government. But it is incredible that Starmer does has not stepped down. I mean, he's paroged parliament to avoid more prime minister questions. But it is crazy that they thought that they could get away with this. Like it wasn't even like this man's gonna remain in power as like a party apparatus. It was we're gonna give him this massive publicly fit public-facing political role with our most important ally. And literally the quote was just fucking do it or just fucking approve it after he had failed this vetting. And also this uh it's a bit of a oh no, it's a strong um this concept of ministerial responsibility, it's the idea that even if you're not personally responsible, if you're the if you're the minister in charge, you fall on your sword and you quit. This is a real thing in British politics. To the point where um I was listening to Jacob Rees Mogg talk about this actually. And the you know when that crazy man broke into the Queen's flat or the Queen's Queen's um flat in Buckingham Palace.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

This reminds me of the PDD episode where I described that he lived in a flat. Of course, he lives in a mansion. The Queen lives in a palace, but yeah, when he broke into her bedroom bedroom in the palace, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Yeah, the home secretary threatened, said that he was gonna resign because he was like, this happened under my watch and I'm the home my sovereign husband, whatever. So the fact that he's not that he's still hanging on to power and he thinks these excuses about process are gonna get him that it's just it's really emblematic of the kind of leadership, labor leadership we've had, which is that if we just have this sort of um process-oriented bureaucracy ordered in the correct way, everything will be fine. And it's so interesting how in a legal process, um, you know, uh Kiris Stomer being a very proficient barrister, that kind of thing might work. You might be able to go on paper, I am innocent. But to the general public, people are thinking you gave the satanic paedophile, or the guy who was friends of the satanic paedophile an ambassadorship, you know?

SPEAKER_02 13:19

I mean, Mandelson did email Epstein's calling Epstein his best friend. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they were best friends. I just think Mandelson is a brown noser and was trying to, you know, get up Jeffrey Epstein's asshole, metaphorically. And yeah, I mean, I I it's such a strange pick. I mean, we'd all like Peter Maddelson to leave the country and you know get him out of here, but giving him a prestigious role outside of the country, it seems I don't know, there's something about Peter Maddelson. He's called the Prince of Darkness for a reason. It's not just because he's evil, which he obviously is. It's that he does this thing where he does kind of work magic. And I think it was understood that he could go to America and kind of ingratiate himself. He was already ingratiated in Washington, and he could sort of just work this magic with the Trump administration. And it kind of exactly what you say, it lets us know that none of these positions are based on character or values or even like a good track record. It's really all about like, can you grease the palms? Like it's all this kind of like they used to talk about like Blair sleaze. Yeah, it's really sleazy, it's all about like, well, can you be effectively slimy? It's really, really um odd. And we do see this in the PMC in general, but you would think, given that so many of these people are so used to kind of constantly covering their own backs, I'm always surprised when they allow a quagmire like this to just, you know, form and then implode. And I think that Kirstarmer will resign after the council elections on May 7th. And I think that for him that's a lot easier than say someone like Jeremy Corbyn, not that he was ever Prime Minister, but you know, I'm just using him as a an archetype of someone that's always been in Labour and has been a politician for decades and decades, been an MP since the 1970s. Keir Starmer hasn't. He was a really successful barrister who then became head of the Crown Prosecution Service. He can always just be, and then he went into politics. He's in his 60s now, and he could always just be like, okay, well, I just won't do politics anymore. Bye guys. It should be a lot easier for him to go. He's not wedded to the Labour Party in the way that people like Corbyn and Diane Abbott and probably MPs that have been around for ages that I just don't know of. Um and I think that I I kept I saw him in the last Prime Minister's questions where an MP from reform and an MP from Labour both got ejected because they called him a liar. And you're not allowed to conduct yourself like that in parliament. You're not allowed to insult, or you're certainly not allowed to call someone a liar because it kind of undermines the whole thing. You're meant to be there as the right honourable member. Like that's literally, you know, how you get addressed when you're in parliament. Um and you know, that's just the way that we do things here. But Diane Abbott stood up and she more just kind of implied that something was amiss. And she said, you know, if you didn't know and no one had told you, why didn't you ask? And I think that's actually a better way to frame it is kind of unwillingness and incompetence and this idea of just totally trusting the process rather than trusting reality, logical deduction. And I don't think his time is a liar. I think he is just a man of process. I don't think he thought he had to ask because he trusts the process.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Well, the process wasn't followed. That's but that he he's saying if the process was followed, I would have known he didn't pass enhanced betting and I wouldn't have appointed him. But the reason why he didn't ask is because he wanted plausible deniability. He wanted to say if it came up later, I didn't know, because he actually didn't know because he never asked. It's a thing that people do when they want plausible deniability. Obviously, even just with the man's public record, you don't even need to get into the satanic paedophile. Um, he was not going to pass vetting dodgy financial dealings, his husband involved in dodgy financial dealings. I mean, true, truly the slimiest of slimy politicians, it was they announced it before the vetting came back. They didn't want to know, is what it comes down to. And it was a chemocracy. Um and it's just very interesting that they think that they can use these techniques. And I think more and more people are starting to see the left for what it really is, particularly in this country, particularly this like milieu of the left, whether it's this, which is fundamentally about the rape of children, grooming gangs, which is about the rape of children, um, kind of Kirstarma's own personal conduct to do with Ukrainian rent boys and so on, it's like a it's a um it's a it's a it's a kind of political milieu that is entrenched with rape and perversion. And I think that's really if even if people are going for the greens who have these insane um policies to do with drugs and prostitution and so on, whether it's the greens or reform, people are really rebelling against. There's a sense that what basically we're kind of having the disruptive moment that Trump brought about in 2016. Now, it's about 10 years later, it's usually when it happens, when people turn away from the political establishment. And that's what we're seeing, I think, is that labor had to really really present themselves to the public with their kind of um bungling of the grooming gang scandal. Now this, as like the like a pro-rate party, which I know is a very strong thing to say, but that's really what I think the impression is among the public.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

I think that is what a lot of the general public feel because of the cover-up of the grooming gangs, and that it happened so much in Labour council areas, not exclusively, but that also so many Labour MPs tried to basically um whitewash it and cover it up. This has happened successively. And yeah, it it is like we are on the brink of our Trump moment. I mean, I certainly hope that if Keir Starmer goes and then whoever gets in next, really we need a general election because people are so disaffected. Like the Greens are more popular by it than Labour, and our Green Party is led by a tit whisperer. I mean, he's a pervert in all senses of the words.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

And a salafist, another pervert, a Wahhabi. Who's a Wahhabi? The deputy leader of the Greens, Mountain Rally, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Yeah, so you've got this like man that thinks he can hypnotize tits to be bigger, and then a salafist who, you know, wants Islam to take over the globe. And I mean they're not gonna win, but they might be in opposition, which would be hilarious. But really, we're gonna have our Trump moment with reform. And I think the the restore party is getting big, but people know more who reform are at the moment. So if there's a general election soon, reform will win in a major, major landslide.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

And I always think about they used to talk about um shy Tories because the Tories would always do much better on the day in elections than over the phones when pollsters would call. It's because people were sometimes a bit shy about wanting to admit that they were going to vote conservative because there managed to be this um the Conservatives royal got called the nasty party in the 90s, and this is one of the many reasons though that bl that Blair won. It's just one of many. And then they managed to kind of um take that sheen off with David Cameron in 2010, who said things like hook a huddy and uh you know this carriage and yeah, yeah. But there is still that effect, and what I think of is there are shy Tories and the silent reformers, yeah. And you just don't know, but they are ready to vote reform when it's necessary to do, like on the day. And um I don't really see the Labour Party. I think the Labour Party are experiencing a similar crisis that's kind of existential, similar to how the Democrats are in America, in that they're like, what do we stand for? And in the past, they always used to sell this broad church thing where, yeah, there are centrists like Keir Starmer and Wes Streeting, and then there are center leftists like Ed Miliban and Angela Rayner, and then there are other socialists like Corbyn and Diane Abbott, and then there are even some really disgustingly like right wing centrist sort of types that I actually think. Are much worse than most Tories. And that kind of they used to say that like a good thing, but now it has become to the point where people don't really know what they stand for. And there's all of these kind of strange contradictions. And people basically don't want Labour anymore as a party, and they don't believe that they'll do, they'll deliver. That's what they have to say, they'll deliver. And I have a friend that her mom's a Labour counsellor, and she said, Oh, you know, Labour have done this and this, which is good. And I just said, Well, maybe those, I'm sure those things are true. Nobody knows. Nobody knows about the couple policies that have been implemented that are actually good. People at the moment are just struggling so much with the cost of living, um, with our institutions failing, that they're just like, we need a new, we have to have a swap. And I think that if there is a general election soon or in 2029, after that point, I don't really know who, like who the Labour Party are going to decide, like what they stand for.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Well, I think what the Keir Starmer thing was about was we had those crazy kooky anti-Semitic leftists. I'm the adult in the room, I was the I was the chief prosecutor, I'm, you know, the reasonable guy. I, you know, I'm not going to be emotional. I'm bringing in everything together. And then it turned out for that not to be the case at all. And I just really do think that, first of all, economically, I has been a disaster as far as I can tell. I don't think Rachel Reese has done an excellent job or anything. But also these issues, again, that are this kind of materialism that says this is what people care about. I mean, there's the horrendous euthanasia law, the grooming gang scandal, and obviously the biggest and most important elephant in the room, migration, it's these cultural issues that people really care about. And people go, oh no, but you know, we helped pensions. They didn't, by the way. But even if this were the case, or even this was this what they were promising, um, it's the it's the reluctance or the inability to address these so-called cultural issues. And I think the Mandelson thing really is like this is their internal culture, and this is what they're promoting in our broader culture as well, is paedophilia, is rape. And um, people are noticing that.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

I think it's emblematic of the way that the left, and you know, I know the Labour Party is really centrist, but it has a lot of left support and a lot of left-leaning people in it. It's it's that thing where they say we're the ethical ones and we're the ones that can get things done. And then you look at Mandelson, the scandal around him, and it's emblematic of actually you're the corrupt ones, you're the cronies, you're the tramocracy, you're the ones that actually have really bad sexual politics when it comes to literally the rape of children. And then, yeah, as you say, I mean, the euthanasia law has been defeated because it ran out of time, but even that that was going to be passed under labor, it's like no one wants this kind of like progressive so-called progressivism anymore.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

No.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Like this isn't the 2010s, you know, when I think that had um that was much more on the up and up.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

And I think the people who do want that stuff are voting green, who are saying it up front. Like, even how that what they did with the euthanasia law is they brought it in through a private member's bill. No one voted on that being um in a platform anywhere. They're they have these, this, this section of the party that have these politics and they're also not confident about it. Whereas the Greens are standing up going, we want to legalize drugs and we want more migration, and we don't believe that Israel should exist or whatever. And the people who feel that way are just voting for them. But it's again this CD, um underhanded sort of tactics that they that labor seemed to use kind of for everything, that people have had enough with. And it comes from not having a political center, and there just doesn't seem to be a political center anymore. And I even think, yeah, this like net zero stuff, which I'm sorry, by any measure is just like openly and unapologetically anti-working class. There's just, there's absolute these policies just only exclusively seem to affect the lives of working class people. There really isn't anything here that holds this party together as a political force.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

Yeah, I mean, Labour always had this idea that I mean, everyone in the working class is supposed to vote for them, right? And generally, like I think in the past that's what I was told that like everybody did, like from the working class generally, um, or overwhelmingly. And it does feel like it almost feels like they're taking the piss out of the working class. Because it's the working class that live in areas that then asylum seeker hotels get um, you know, constructed in, as in like, you know, a nice hotel near you, um, 200 random men that have come on boats from the third world where particular areas where they treat women like dog shit. Um it's those was worn off people are having to put up with that. Then you even just this um this clip that went round of Stella Creasey dancing, she put it on herself, dancing at a silent disco. And then people were just like writing, you know, facts about what life is like in the UK for working class people. It's just like, why are you dancing whilst Rome burns? Like mm-ordinary people are struggling to actually like fuel their car because of um the huge, huge spike in oil prices, in even inflation in the next few months for food is gonna go up to I think it was 3.2% after years of food inflation anyway. So people are they've really lost. Like, I mean, Keir Starmer is he's named after Keir Hardy, who founded the Labour Party. And it's almost like this bookend, yeah. It's like this guy started it. Great Lacanian. This guy is ending it. Yeah. Not that he's meaning to, but it's like if you aren't going to represent the working class, but just say you are, and actually it's the it's working class girls that got groomed by Pakistani rape gangs, it's the working class that are having to worry about things like inflation. I always thought like maybe Labour will do something like, you know, rent control, something for the working class that is progressive, right? In a genuine kind of European way. Um, this is what they have in Germany and other places where people have much more housing security, but they haven't. And I just find it uh it's very hard to work out what the Labour Party have to offer. And I know they've kind of inherited this terrible economic time that we're in now, but also people still look to them like, but you're in charge, you could make it better. And as you say, that a lot of the people who like basically are left-leaning now just go to the Greens because the Greens are a bunch of nutters that have said, we'll give you all this stuff, which I don't really think they'd be able to do. And a lot of it is terrible. Like it would actually really damage the working class to legalize drugs. Um it would really damage working class women to legalize prostitution and promote it as some sort of like good career. So, but yeah, no, I do feel like there is a kind of crisis, and I don't I don't think Labour will be in power again for a generation, and I think they might end, is in so many people will jump ship. And similar for the Tories at their conference this year, apparently, like most rooms were barely full, as in like sometimes it was embarrassing, like 16 people would show up to see someone speak. So I just think we're moving to a different um paradigm and certainly a difference in what people are willing to vote for. There's there is this polarization. For years the left been saying, Oh, the center is dead, the center is dead. I kind of feel like Keir Starmer was the last hurrah of that possibility working because people were disaffected with the Tories because the country was going down the pans. So they thought, well, what should we do? We just switch from blue to red. But now red can't sort it out. It is just people are gonna mainly vote for reform and the greens.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Yeah, and I even just your mention of Stella Creasey makes me think of her tweets where she makes it so clear that she's dissatisfied in being a mother. I just think there's this impression, rightly, or whether or not I mean, I know lots of women um have difficulty talking about, you know, how they might regret motherhood and it's it's it's it's an issue in its own right. But there's this impression of this slimy careerist that I think the the dominant paradigm in labor being, you know, these blue labor blairite types. Um and when they led the party, this is exactly what happened. Their slimy careerism tramocracy thing uh let them, you know, appoint the a guy called the Prince of Darkness to be the ambassador to the US. Um so we'll see um what happens. I think it's gonna be Rayner. I think Ed Miliband, because of the really unpopular net zero policies, is not gonna be it. And I also think people saying, well, you've lost before, didn't you? So we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

I think that net zero is bad in general election for Ed Miliband. I don't know if most Labour voters care that much about it. I think that they're probably majority for it. Just to say Blue Labour is very good, they're not blairites. Or did I get them mixed up? I know what you mean. Like that's the impression of Blue Labour. It's this idea of the right wing of Labour, but actually they're very left-wing economically and just socially quite conservative, like some people not too far away from this um sofa. So um, no, they're not sleazy blarits. Blairism was a real kind of thing unto itself, this kind of third-way centrism and the sleaze that went along with it. And it produced a lot of slimy PMC culture. And people like Stella Creasey really um have always existed in that world. Same with Jess Phillips. And a lot of them just really think that they can ram through whatever their vision is, like this thing of abortion until birth. No, like the 90% of people when poll don't support that. Yeah. This was not in any manifesto as far as I'm aware. Yeah. Maybe it was and I missed it, but this is not what voters actually want. But Jess Phillips and Stella Creasy wanted to put it through, I think, for their own personal reasons to do with the their abortions. I mean, that's that's what I think.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

Yeah. I mean it is um It's crazy the things that they do that they that I think they imagine make them more relatable end up doing the opposite when Sal Crease is tweeting treat tweeting about, you know, it's so hard being a mum and you can't go to drinks to network or whatever. It's like the Christmas party. The Christmas party. It just it's really weird, super alienating, not a thought that normal people have. It's it's it's so gratuitous and weird. Get a babysitter. Like it's just, it's just strange. It's kind of like any anything that stands in in as an obstacle in my kind of personal success, I will resent publicly. It's not giving um relatable normal person vibes at all in the way that I think it does. And I'd like just thoughtful about Jess Phillips' kind of rage at those grooming gang victim women. Um, it is incredible every time they try to do something to court the average woman voter, they manage to fuck it up.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

I think Rosie Duffield should be leader or Mike Amesbury, who's currently uh I don't know, no, he didn't go to prison. Got convicted of uh common assault where someone was like kind of harassing him on the street and he thumped them. And uh he follows me on he follows me on Twitter, and I was like, you know what? I support him. I don't think you should necessarily thump constituents, but I do, I actually think it's much more relatable for a working class man to lose his rag, or any man to lose his rag, with someone harassing him on the street and saying, Oh, you didn't expect that, did you? Push him over a traffic cone and thump him. So those are who I want to leave the Labour Party. Rosie Duffield and Mike Amesbury. He's probably been kicked out of the party for that. That was actually that's much more normal. That's a much more normal human response to things than these kind of weird, um yeah, you were you're right. They come up with weird things that they think are relatable that aren't relatable at all. Yeah. Yeah. Like very, very strange. But you know what? It's that it is that third sector culture. I think they just live in these bubbles and then they forget how to talk to people because they become so interchangeable, and they all kind of use the same um it's not just it's not just um words, it's the tone and intonation. And haircut, like the bob thing. Oh yeah, the bob thing.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah. Well, honestly, I just hope there's a general election soon so we can just get it over with, and we just are into a bit of a new era at that point.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

I know that there'll be some downsides, but that's kind of like with everything. Yeah, I'm just quite scared of the Greens, to be honest. Like that's gonna be a shit show, but we'll see. I don't even believe they'll be in opposition, really. I think with the Lib Dems.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Apparently they are the biggest Green Party in Europe now, and that's uh I'm sure they are, because a lot of people are attracted to their economic policies because a lot of people are really as I say, struggling with like unable to buy a house, unable to have any financial security. But it's just that it is not worth even some of their economic policies that you think, oh, maybe that's sensible for their they plan to bring in five million migrants. Was it a year? It's within a period of time. I can't remember. It's like gonna be a repeated cycle of five million. Um, I guess they're wanting to import voters, but it will be a little bit strange if the majority of people in the UK are from abroad. Yeah.

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That'll be strange.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Anyway. If you wanted to whip up a civil war, that might be the way to do it, guys.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

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