What If It Did Work?
What If It Did Work?
Revolutionary Medicine: Beyond Surgery
What if you didn't need that knee replacement after all? What if cancer treatment didn't have to poison your entire body? Dr. Jeff Gross is challenging everything we think we know about modern medicine.
As a neurological surgeon with impeccable credentials from UC Berkeley and GW School of Medicine, Dr. Gross spent years performing conventional spine surgeries. But watching the healthcare system devolve into what he calls "sick care" – where doctors are rushed through 5-minute appointments and insurance companies dictate treatments – drove him to seek better solutions for his patients.
The results are nothing short of revolutionary. European studies followed patients for 15+ years and found that over 82% of people who needed knee replacements were able to avoid them completely through stem cell procedures. "The orthopedic menu goes physical therapy, cortisone injections, maybe lubricating injections, maybe a scope to clean up a tear. But replacement is the dessert on the menu," Dr. Gross explains. "There are options before dessert."
Beyond joint treatments, Dr. Gross is pioneering the use of natural killer cells to fight cancer without the devastating side effects of chemotherapy. These specialized immune cells can selectively target abnormal cells without harming healthy tissue – yet this approach remains largely unknown because, as Dr. Gross candidly states, "you'd really cut into people making a lot of money that make chemotherapy and radiation machines."
The conversation explores cutting-edge peptide therapies that can accelerate healing, manage weight, and even reverse aspects of aging. From growth hormone-releasing compounds to metabolism-boosting molecules, these treatments represent the frontier of anti-aging medicine that most conventional doctors aren't discussing with their patients.
Ready to explore alternatives to conventional medicine? Visit ReCelebrate.com to learn how Dr. Gross is helping patients avoid surgery and optimize their health through regenerative approaches. Your body's natural healing potential might be greater than you've been led to believe.
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I never told no one that my whole life I've been holding back. Every time I load my gun up so I can shoot for the star, I hear a voice like who do you?
Speaker 2:think you are all right. Everybody. Another day, another dollar, another one of my favorite episodes, my favorite podcast, because I'm biased. What if it did work? Gotta say I'm just by reading your bio man man, cal Berkeley. It's so impressive. I've been on campus, but that's the closest I ever got to the flagship school of California. Our guest, dr Jeff Gross.
Speaker 2:Dr Gross graduated from the flagship school of California, the University of Cal, the Berkeley Bears, with a degree in biochemistry and molecular cell biology. Earned his doctorate of medicine in 1992 from the GW School of Medicine. Contributed to virology research during his studies. After graduating, he completed a residency in neurological surgery at University of Cal Irving Medical center from 1997. Then pursued a fellowship in spinal biomechanics at the University of New Mexico until 1999, licensed in California and Nevada, dr Gross has spine practices in the OC, orange County, henderson, nevada. Trained neurological surgeon, specializes athletic injuries, spine procedures. Offers longevity and biohacking consultations. Certified american board neurological surgery. Member of several prestigious surgical societies. Since 2020, dr gross is recognized as a leading neurological surgeon. Man I could. It goes on and on and on. You are also the founder of re-celebrate, focusing on anti-aging and regenerative medicine. The mission for re-celebrate emphasizes offering modern biochemical treatments and considering surgery now. Now you're going to have all those orthopedic surgeons and sports doctors how's it going doc well, great episode omar nice, omar Nice to meet you.
Speaker 3:I guess that's we've taken up the whole time with my bio.
Speaker 2:So with your bio, if you are single, I want you, if, if the publicist, or if you put that out there, man, talk, talk about and man, I've got two degrees in journalism. So one syllable, two syllables, some of those four syllable, five syllable words, I was like holy smokes. Hopefully I can read them and I can enunciate them. So how's it going?
Speaker 3:Great Nice to meet you and everyone out there. Happy to be here, so thanks for having me.
Speaker 2:Before we start, I have to say I checked out. I was social media, stalking your Instagram TikTok pages. Are you sure you for for a doctor and for a practice? I mean you're, you're way ahead of your competitors times. Because I got to say I mean informative and engaging. I was on it and engaging, I was on it and, quite frankly, when it comes to medicine, I mean I think I watched Doogie Howser growing up and a little ER and I was captivated man.
Speaker 3:Well, we're here to teach right. I mean, one of the most important jobs a physician has and I know you've had physicians on before, I've listened to some of that and that was good stuff and we're here to teach right. We have to teach patients because you can't make decisions, patients can't make decisions. We don't teach them all the different things. So I try to make sure we answer questions and teach and get the information out, and there's a lot of information people just don't get in our watered down sick care system with five or 10 minute doctor's visits. So, uh, I I want to help fix that.
Speaker 2:Well, not only fix that, but, man, talk about non-invasive procedures compared to, uh, I, I mean my, my youngest, probably two years ago, my youngest probably two years ago, a year and a half ago, blew out, tore her ACL completely and, man, watching that, I tore my ACL. She opted for the X, the full. You know, let's have the kid suffer for a full year because you know that that's the way to do it. Have had the bad scar and make sure that the rehab is just as painful. So, uh, she went that route, I, I, I went the stem cell route and I, I mean thank god, because I don't think my, my ex-wife would uh like driven me around or taking me to to all my doctor's appointments.
Speaker 3:Well, how was your experience? Compare the two. How did you turn out and how bad was it?
Speaker 2:The only thing that I mean I've done. Let's see how many procedures using stem cells Four, after you know what you're going in in. When they're going through the back, the first time you're like, oh my god, you feel the pressure, I'd say the most cringe, or the only thing that really hurts is just a little pressure in the back, but also nothing compared to because I also tore my labrum. Uh, even though I I don't look like I'm into fitness uh, used to run marathons and do crossfit. So, yes, I, I'm. I'm a connoisseur of the stem cell well, listen it.
Speaker 3:There's a lot going on on in this stem cell field we call regenerative medicine field, and what you had is tried and true. But there are now easier ways to do it. What you had was called an autologous stem cell harvest, where they took the cells out of the back of your hip and your lower back right, mm-hmm, correct, so they got to go into your bone marrow. That, like you said, that's no fun. And then they take out a bunch of bone marrow and they spin it down in a centrifuge and separate it and get the stem cell population out and then re-inject it into an area of need, in your case shoulder, knee, what have you? So that's been around a long time and it does work.
Speaker 3:But there are easier ways now and I have personally gotten away from that method because we have off the shelf biologics that are as good, if not better, without the, without the need to harvest. So, uh, we're, this is advancing fast. But you gotta, it's one of those things. If you know, you know, you gotta know where to seek it. You gotta, you gotta look at the options and you've got to be willing to be open-minded and step outside what your traditional trained doctor for 30 years, might be offering you.
Speaker 2:Now you tell me because you're going to laugh at this you know how people go donate bone marrow. Unless it's my family, my immediate family, I would just laugh because I remember you know hearing the PSAs or whatnot. We need bone marrow. Come on down, we'll give you free movie tickets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so there's a lot that's happening in this space and and there are options for people outside of repeat cortisone injections. So, if we're talking joints and spine, there are options outside of surgery. There's outside. There are options outside of implanting surgical hardware metal screws and rods and I did that most of my career and I'm happy now to have newer and even potentially better tools for a lot of that.
Speaker 2:Well, dr gross, are we up to the point where a person older than us does not need to go in and have a full knee replacement?
Speaker 3:most of the times, yes, and I'm saying this based on medical evidence, not just based on my own experience, because what we do is always based on some good study or science or what we call medical evidence. So what I do is follow some European protocols where they have shown in long-term follow-up beyond 15 years, that over 82% of people who needed a knee replacement were able to avoid it with a stem cell type procedure.
Speaker 2:That's wild, because I mean I always check people's knees out, whatnot, or social media when you're in your 50s. You have friends doing all these procedures and I'm like I I think it's growing and to me I can only imagine how painful. I mean I never asked, cause that's pretty stupid, that's like asking a woman. So so it was, uh, you know, birth painful.
Speaker 2:So you know, I, I, I see that in the meat. That's why I, I know from from doctors like you and whatnot, that's why I mean I see more and more people do going with full replacement and it's hip replacement, knees, and it's like I mean, is that because the orthopedic needs to keep up his, his lifestyle, or I don his?
Speaker 3:lifestyle. I don't want to necessarily make that accusation, but certainly follow the money right. The big pharma side of knee replacements is called big implant. You've got big companies that sell these replacement devices. Each one is a few thousand dollars. In America alone that's a multi-billion dollar implant industry. In America alone that's a multi-billion dollar implant industry.
Speaker 3:So the orthopedic menu goes, you know, physical therapy, cortisone injections, maybe lubricating injections, maybe a scope or arthroscope to clean up a tear. But at the end of the day, replacement is sort of the dessert on the menu. It's the last thing there and there are options before dessert, as that's what I'm trying to say. And but, but you won't find that in a traditional clinic office. And in fact, if you had come to me 10 or 12 years ago with your back problem or neck problem because I was doing a lot of neck and back surgeries at the time because that's my field and you would have said, hey, how about stem cells? I would say you know, I really didn't train with that stuff, so I don't know, I had to like pull myself out of my bubble and go do that.
Speaker 2:Well, but what's wild is? I mean, 20 years ago you didn't see as many people with all these replacements with their joints, their knees, their hips. I I mean you know, yeah, bo jackson, but now it's like, and it's not like people in their 60s, 70s, 80s. I know plenty of people in their 50s and their 40s and it's like, uh, I'm did, did you just were? Were you playing for the raiders for four or five, six years or what is it that you had to have a knee or your two knee replacements? Maybe because you're you're dancing the salt and peppers push it back in the 80s. But like you know, it's, that's why it's. It's just I've always wondered is it because people are just heavier now or because, like, it was very rare back then to hear of someone going through all this ordeal to have something fixed?
Speaker 3:No, no, I just think doctors are quicker to get to it there. And you know, people go in and say I have knee pain when I walk the stairs, ok, we'll replace it. Like the threshold for replacement has come way down. It used to be I can barely walk, I can't work, I can't sleep. Now it's, oh yeah, it's twinged when I walk up the stairs. Oh well, you're ready for a knee replacement. So anybody gets it now. And that's the mindset in the quick fix world, you know. And in the quick fix world, you know. So follow the money with the implants, follow the culture of, you know, treating pain. It may be a blessing, right, we catch things earlier, we have MRIs, we can see things. We can, we can get to. But now we have better options. You just have to get that opinion. So keep asking, is my advice.
Speaker 2:Ask, get all the opinions, opinions, not just the replacement opinion, because it's not the only solution oh so if, uh, if a sports doctor told me hey, it's time I'd have to get multiple opinions and not just from from one guy to say yeah, man, we, we need, we need to replace both your knees, like yeah, I mean listen.
Speaker 3:If you said, hey, I'd like to not have my knee replaced, what are the options? And they say, hey, there's nothing else, I would say I don't know. Let me look at the films, let me examine your knee, let's talk. And if there are, you know the right targets, it matches up. We could talk like you've done. You know, regenerative medicine, stem cells, uh, other biologics, different approaches, even if that only delayed things 5, 10, 15 years, like the studies show. You know, maybe you don't need a replacement and maybe there's a new solution 10 years from now where you don't need that big a surgery. So you know, don't say never, say never right, don't just resign yourself to failure. There will be a role for those surgeries. We should work to diminish that role.
Speaker 2:Always, I mean to me, the less invasive, the better. You know, I know you're in the forefront of some pretty heavy stuff reading about it with cancer, so I mean I would love to try something like that than just saying hey, you know what, just cut me up and blast me with poison and we'll take it from there.
Speaker 3:No, I mean, you're right, we need to have these new options and we need to make them available. We need to have. You know, one of my jobs under the Hippocratic Oath is to protect patients' access to things that are new and special and have demonstrated promise in literature and medical evidence. So this falls under what we call the right to try, but unfortunately that's suppressed through medical training and industry and pharmaceutical companies and implant companies. So I'm really trying hard to make these things available and I just all it takes is a conversation. Right? Let's look at the options. We'll tell you surgery is an option if it's an option, but it's up to the patient to choose which option is best.
Speaker 2:Now you've. You went through the traditional round. You said earlier doing the back surgeries, you were a neck specialist. What got you to pivot and go? A different, like a 180? To me it's a 180. No, you're the founder of reselebrate I. I was on the site. Uh, completely not something that any type of surgeon. You know it. It's a certain usual other doctors would be like you, throwing holy water and trying to do an exorcist and tell people that that's a witch doctor there or you know, that's unproven, that's unsound. I've heard that word. It's unsound. It's unsound the reason why insurance companies don't cover most of those procedures. It's unsound. It does not work.
Speaker 3:Well, let me address that. But I'll answer your, your first part, first. Why did I turn 180 degrees? And I think there are three major ingredients to that. That sort of came together.
Speaker 3:First, my patients get credit. They would come in and say, yeah, doc, you know the epidural injections didn't work, the physical therapy didn't work, you know the anti-inflammatories didn't work. I'm still hurting, my back is bugging me, it wakes me up, whatever. And I say, well, the next thing on the list to talk about is surgery. Wait a minute, doc, I'm not ready for surgery. I say good, because I really didn't want to offer it to you. And then we would have the conversation, well, what else can we try? And they would say, well, how about lasers, how about this, how about stem cells? And? But I loved it and I never really got to do much with it because I went to med school and training, and then you get busy treating patients. So the nerd in me said, hmm, let me look at that.
Speaker 3:So the third ingredient came is I was just fed up with how bad medicine was getting and I had really tried to pull myself out of that sick care system that insurance has sucked the wind out of meaning the money out of, because there's plenty of money in health care. It just doesn't go to patients, it goes to CEOs and bean counters. So I noticed my colleagues were just oh, I'm not going to do this fancy surgery, I'll do this simple one because that's what the insurance will pay for. And I said, wait a minute, you're going to do what they'll pay for instead of what's best for the patient. So I didn't want to be dragged down by that that rush to mediocrity. So those three things came together and one year I said I'm not going to go to the annual spine surgeons meeting where they, you know, pat themselves on the back in a circle and say, kumb, do now from from regenerative medicine for the joints, the spine, to intravenous and anti-aging and biohacking and cutting edge approaches to cancer and everything else. So that's.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, reading, reading everything that you do, you're, you're like a almost like a bodega, it's like like med spa Cause you know, hey, anti-aging saw that, yeah. And cancer treatment, which, which I gotta say I I love what, what your bio says, that you know nothing brings all races and colors together more than you know cancer and getting that cancer diagnosis, because you know cancer doesn't discriminate equal opportunity on that, and I saw that you did that. You know, doing anti-aging through eating the zombie cells, which we can talk about, that, you see, we can talk about that. There's just so much, because usually you would go to one place and it would be narrow. This is my specialty, but it's like you specialize in giving to me quality of life. Well, thank you.
Speaker 3:Everything it well, thank you, yeah, everything. Yeah, I mean what. What we do is help people so they can enjoy their lives and and foster longevity, but not just longevity, healthy longevity, because if you're, if, if I can help you live another 20 years, but you spend 15 of those in a nursing home miserable. That that's not a service, right? We want you to fill your life a longer life with you know, robust, quality, healthy years well that, yeah, definitely nobody wants to be in a nursing home.
Speaker 2:I mean, when I think of nursing home, I I think of um and not because I like the movie, just the notebook when everybody was, uh, what was piling on gina rollins and they're telling james, garner their own kids, leave mom there. She doesn't even remember any of us and you know, or those stories everybody says you know, you, you go on 2020 or anything.
Speaker 2:And you, you hear like you know three hots, a cot and you know some some forced sex and it's or a forced beat down. It's like not only is it super expensive, but you're doing that to grandma Come on.
Speaker 3:Right, but we got to. We got to take action now in a preventative sense to help push that off, Otherwise it's coming.
Speaker 2:It's coming for us Well you know, I think I would definitely. When I say quality over quantity, because, like what you said, if you extend someone just so they can live a pain, a life full of pain and horror, and like some bad B-movie horror film, some Hellraiser stuff going on, then yeah, no, but now do you? Did you just want to venture out and all these? Or was I mean? How did that come about, that you know you're like, okay, well, I think we, we should tackle cancer. You know you're, you know we're, we're in california. Every everybody needs to look pretty. Nobody wants to look like, you know they're, phyllis diller or like the crypt keeper. So we want, we want the 80 year olds to look like they're 50 yeah, you know it that those were added later.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think any doctor that's truly motivated and follows the Hippocratic Oath you know, wants to be able to help those who are suffering, and cancer is sort of the painful form of suffering. So I didn't get into regenerative medicine and anti-aging for the anti-cancer part. But the nerd in me that kept pursuing and kept looking and kept reading saw the benefits in a certain population of cells called natural killer cells, nk cells. And it occurred to me through my reading that natural killer cells, being a very small percentage of our white blood cell immune system, had a specific job. System had a specific job and that job is to remove selectively, without hurting our regular cells, abnormal ones like cancer cells. And we do, throughout our life, make accidental cancer cells and they get screened out. The security system removes them Also. They can remove infected cells Also.
Speaker 3:Natural killer cell removes what we call senescent cells. Senescent cells are these kind of age cells. They've divided too many times, they're full of junk, they're not really working, they're just taking up space and resources. But the more of them you have, the more bogged down and toxic your system is, and the more of these you have, the older your cell population is and the older you are biologically. So it turned out that I thought natural killer cells we really need to find a way to give them a goose. You know this is good stuff.
Speaker 3:So I looked at cancer patients and if you study cancer globally, you'll find that one of the markers in those patients is they have fewer natural killer cells, and not only fewer of them, but they're less functional. So less quality, less quantity. Now, that's not a cause and effect, omar. That doesn't mean as you lose your natural killer cell function with age, you get cancer. It could be, we just don't know that. But it does make sense that if you give back natural killer cell function to a patient, you may be helping them fight cancer. So I looked into that and it turns out that's been well studied. Well, why isn't that out there? Well, because you'd really cut into people making a lot of money that make chemotherapy and radiation machines and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, exactly that. You know, that's that old adage. Oh, one day you hear it like every. You know we're fighting Luke. One day we're going to cure leukemia. One day we're going to do this. One day there's going to be no, no more cancer. And I'm like, yeah, that that's fine and dandy, but had does it? Has anybody told these people, the rural world, and how many probably trillions, not not billions, trillions cancer could? Yeah, let's, let's share cancer.
Speaker 2:I'm sure the oncologist would just love that. You know that that doctor that's making a killing. You know the specialty doctor right there. Or you know, oh, yeah, big pharma wants, wants to cure, or just just in general, I mean not not to be cryptic, but I mean talk about overpopulation too. If you can't, you cured cancer 100%, you. You cured every disease known that. You not only did you cure everything, but there's no need for medicine anymore. We're, you know. We don't need pfizer anymore. We don't. We don't need abbott labs, we don't, we don't need any of them. We're we. We live in a world where you can like to buy a world of coke and teach it how to sing I remember that commercial, I am old enough for that.
Speaker 3:But the yeah, listen, the oncology industrial complex is very big. There's a lot of money that moves through it. Uh, there is a role for some of these things. Still, chemotherapy and what have you some tumors are very sensitive to it. But we need to focus on the natural, biologic, non-toxic approaches also, and that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:So I did the homework and I've been chasing down these natural killer cell messaging called exosomes, which is really the. You know. The cell gives off these little particles. The particles contain messaging that are taken in by cells Normal cells just go get away from here, we don't want you. But cancer cells welcome this in and it causes the cancer cell to rupture. So that that's finally what we got. We finally got some of those this year, and that was very difficult because it's very difficult to come by enough natural killer cells and then have them make these messengers and then enough to make a therapeutic dose. So we were able to get some from europe and they're way ahead of us. Europe and asia are.
Speaker 3:And you think about 20 years ago most professional athletes in this country who wanted stem cell type treatments were leaving to go to europe, like the patent, they would go to germany. You would always hear them going, tiger Woods. So why? Because France, germany, other places were doing this and most of the good literature, the medical evidence, comes from those places. So you mentioned earlier why doesn't insurance pay for this?
Speaker 3:Insurance is actually starting to. My example is platelet-rich plasma, or PRP, and for those of you listening or watching that don't know what that is, they take some of your blood, they spin it down and pull out the plasma level that has platelets, which is a type of cell, and the growth factors that are accumulated there, and they re-inject it like into a tennis elbow or a knee strain or something, and you usually do that two or three times. Well, the insurance companies finally figured out that that's cheaper than the surgery and it works, so they started to pay for that, even though it's not yet approved for marketing claims by the FDA. So there's a little bit of a move by some of the quants or the bean counters at the insurance companies trying to save money because they're all about profit, and that's I think we're going to move in that direction.
Speaker 2:Not about profit. Come on, are you trying to tell me publicly traded corporations are about profit, not about saving?
Speaker 3:lives. I think publicly traded corporations have a fiduciary duty to make a profit, so I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't know.
Speaker 2:Oh, I, I, I know it's just funny. Like when you, you after the ceo got gunned down, you you heard like all these people like up in arms. I hate united those mfers yeah all they think about is a profit. I'm like, well, he was the ceo and you know, at last I checked it it wasn't, you know. Uh, you know it was publicly traded, which means you know it wasn't a non-for-profit. It's all about making money yeah, I mean no one.
Speaker 3:No one should get gunned down, that was wrong, but oh no, no, completely.
Speaker 2:People were like lamenting, saying it was right. Because, god forbid, I hope they don't check out, you know, aetna and all the other insurance companies, because I think bottom line is to make the shareholders happy and move the company going forward. Move the company going forward.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I mean, these companies are making, you know, billions of dollars a year and that's one of the reasons I had to get out of that sick care system. You know they bogged down our offices, you know making us speak to a nurse who works for the insurance company that's denying an MRI for someone that has, you know, severe radiating pain down the leg. It's ridiculous and it's called rationing by hassle. They bogged down our offices so we can see fewer patients, so they make even more money and and they get away with it because their lobbies are so powerful.
Speaker 2:Well, also think about it. I mean, it's everything, it, it, it goes around. I mean, believe it or not, you're going to laugh. But I actually didn't think any of this until my ex-wife. She was a pharmaceutical sales rep. So when we first started dating and she was telling me the ins and outs and that doctors write scripts based on taking out that the pharmaceutical rep took them out to dinner or took him to play golf or took him somewhere cool, I'm like that's not possible, no way well, I, you know, I, I was always, you know, doing surgery and stuff, so I I never had all those dinners and I don't really get time to play golf.
Speaker 2:You see, that's because you weren't a primary I missed that yeah, well I mean think about the primary care physician has to probably see like 100 patients a day because yeah, that's, that's fair, and 100 unhappy ones.
Speaker 3:Because if you're seeing 100 patients a day, you're getting what? 12 minutes with a patient, a patient seeing a primary care doctor? Unless they're perfectly healthy and they're just there to have have a quick, let's just order some labs. See how you're doing. I mean, and even that's probably not enough. They're not having, they're not getting their full description of issues out. It's the. The system is so badly broken and the economics are sucked out in the middle by the, by the insurers, and that it's just disgusting sucked out in the middle by the insurers and it's just disgusting.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I remember. I try to avoid doctors at all costs.
Speaker 1:Me too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my primary, I think just a little older than me, we both. He got his degree at University of Miami. That's where I got my master's degree. And he would tell me, oh, being a primary doctor, you know what I would tell my kids? I'm telling my kids never to be a doctor, and so I would have to hear it from like everybody. It's like um and, and I felt special because he would stay longer, but it wasn't because it was just to shoot the shit, but I do know. It's like you know. It's like wham bam, thank you, ma. Like wham bam, thank you, ma'am. Like, oh, I've got all this pain and suffering. Well, I can only talk to you like for five minutes. It's horrible.
Speaker 3:You know we have patients come see us and they say, yeah, I went to my doctor and I've got, you know, three different problems, but they said you only have time for one today. But the three problems may be related. You know you need to talk about the whole patient. So I can't practice in that system. That's not how I was trained, that's not how it's designed, that's not how the body works. So you know, I got out of that mediocrity a long time ago and I'm sorry for people who are stuck in it.
Speaker 2:Well, I love what you just said about just also with a cancer treatment, I mean I would love if I had it. I would rather go with your method, because I've seen the other method plenty of times, whether it's family members or, and it's like holy smokes, you're just are you actually saving the patient or are you killing them?
Speaker 3:Because, yeah, yeah, well, that's how chemotherapy works. You kill the cancer before you kill your, before you kill the patient, right? That's how it works, you, that those cancer cells are dividing rapidly and you catch them. That's where they're vulnerable and you catch them in that phase. And but we have our own cells that divide and you kill them too, particularly follicles in the hair. That's why you lose your hair, the skin, the gastrointestinal tract, that's why you're so nauseated in part. So there may be a role for that. Still, in some cases and different tumors. You know cancer is not one diagnosis, it's many different, diverse diagnoses. So we break it down and we learn about each one and we'll do a better job.
Speaker 2:You also think, though, that we're creating it with our own environment.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Garbage eating, fake, fake food. Uh, we, you and I both live in a heavily congested, been heavily congested the smog, the pollution, oh yeah, breathing, breathing that in and drinking horrible water and it's self-inflicted, uh for sure, uh, a lot of it.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I mean the seed oils, the you know over, you know the you know fried foods, the the corn syrup in our Coca-Cola, which Don says.
Speaker 2:I guess he believes one sugar is better than another, because I didn't realize natural cane sugar was such a lifesaver and prolongs your life. I don't drink Coke. I'm going to go back to Coke, because it's sugar now, or it will be soon, hopefully.
Speaker 3:Well, the high, the high fructose corn syrup has got a whole set of problems in addition. But sugar itself is a toxin we were not designed to to receive. You know this amount of simple sugars in our life, maybe a piece of fruit here and there. We were designed for you know little carb, or maybe some very, very complex carbs, you know. You think about carbs and bread and wheat and pitas. These are foods of convenience that did not exist before, maybe 8,000, 10,000 years ago.
Speaker 2:But also, I mean, think about it 30, 40 years ago my mom wasn't taking me to McDonald's every day because she's like, screw it, man, let's go to the Golden Arches. And you know people are shocked. They're like, oh my God, I didn't realize it was bad to eat. You know it's meat. Realize it was bad to eat, you know it's meat. Or you know let's, let's go pick up a pizza at at domino's. Or go go eat some more processed food, date night at the olive garden or chili's. And it's like you know that it's just on a different level, everything from the sodium to god knows what they put in it and it's. We weren't designed for that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the bun in the burger from you know 1970 had many fewer ingredients than it has now at the fast food restaurant. You know things were different then. They weren't great, but they're worse now. There's so many more preservatives and expanders to expand the shelf life of foods. I mean think about some of these companies that will have to retool. They're going to have to dispose of food at an earlier expiration date to get rid of some of these preservatives, which means they will not sell some of those foods. So their profit margin is going to go down. They're going to have to increase costs. We're going to pay for this financially, but it's either we pay for it now or we pay for it with cancer. So pick your poison Well.
Speaker 2:I mean common sense would say maybe we don't need to drink the Sunny D and the Capri Sun and all that. Who cares what ingredients they take out? You know they're changing the red dye and M&Ms. It's like, oh, thank God, they're changing the red dye in M&M's. It's like, oh, thank God, Now I can go back to eating a couple bags a day and drinking my Coke.
Speaker 3:I've been waiting for this day, omar, we're going to pull back at M&M's.
Speaker 2:It's nirvana.
Speaker 3:Nirvana.
Speaker 2:But look at it this way Now, instead of getting a fake knee, I can just go to you and you know, just do that. Yeah, no, I. You're gonna laugh because one of the things was like just this girl that I dated a million years ago and right after college, you know, she told me that she got both these replaced and I was like at at your age and that's why I had to ask, because she was the first person. And then when you see one per, it's like you know, when you see someone driving your same car, because you just bought it, you thought I thought it was a rare car. Then you realize everybody's driving, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2:Because you know, the hell do I don't care if you know hip, because you know we're, we're at the age that before it's that stereotype. When you hear you know replacements, you're like okay, yeah, it's, it's someone like not only living their back nine, but they're like you know they're, they're, they're getting ready to to meet the grim reaper soon oh, 100, yeah, it used to be that, but there we were seeing them earlier and earlier.
Speaker 3:We're seeing all kinds of problems earlier and earlier cancer diagnoses, uh, hormone decline. There are so many things going on, and this this is because of our environment, our diet, electromagnetic forces, who knows what.
Speaker 2:So there's a lot going on now, with your treatment, can anybody look younger or?
Speaker 3:well, it depends on what you're, what you're doing. So we we have some, you know, stem cell based applications for aesthetic care that we can, you know, use on the face and and what have you, and it can improve the quality of the skin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but is that the same procedure, like the prp or similar? Yeah, yeah, we have that.
Speaker 3:So instead of using PRP, we use a stem cell signaling factor amniotic, you know, filtered amniotic fluid, and it's much more powerful than a PRP with the same type of biologic benefits. That's what we're seeing.
Speaker 2:So this is what, instead of injecting like cow fat into my forehead, yeah, I mean, it just depends on what you're looking for.
Speaker 3:So you know, you have fine lines and wrinkles, you know, maybe your skin is getting dried at an older age and then we can, you know, help the cellular activity underneath the skin have some rejuvenating qualities by using these types of things, but you have to inject them on the face. You can't. Just the topicals aren't as good, they just don't penetrate, because skin is such an incredibly good barrier.
Speaker 2:So would this, would you well?
Speaker 3:so then, this is better than Botox then Because Botox you have to go ever so often right To keep on doing that, yeah, but Botox is is to, you know, weaken some of the muscles of expression so that you have fewer wrinkles. So some people use Botox for that and and, but that doesn't improve the quality of their skin necessarily. So some people do a little Botox, some people do a little bit of this type of rejuvenation, some people don't want the Botox. It's just, you know, we individualize it. There are various approaches we can do with the regenerative biologics like stem cells or stem cell signaling factors, growth factors or those exosomes I mentioned from stem cells. Really they're the business end. We're doing a lot of that.
Speaker 2:So for me, 52 years of not having good night's sleep and having bags under my eyes, could that do something?
Speaker 3:It could, but first and foremost we've got to figure out a way to get you a good night's sleep, otherwise you're going to continue the process by which created the problem in the first place. So we really need to work on your lifestyle top down diet, exercise, sleep. You know um in detail and we do a lot of that. That's part of the. You know anti-aging biohacking coaching that we do. You know holy smokes.
Speaker 2:This is like free thinking man. This is, um, you know, I'm used to medicine that hey, I'm fat. Well, here, let's staple your stomach. Oh, but how about if I eat right through it? Oh, well, shit, I guess we didn't deal with the psychological aspect.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, I mean there is that, there is a psychological. But we're a big fan of peptides and the GLP-1, glp-2, glp-3. These are incredibly powerful if used properly. So both for weight loss and for the long-term benefits of suppressing sugar, suppressing glycemic effects, suppressing inflammation, which is code for aging of your cells, and for improving the insulin sensitivity. We're now seeing the long-term longitudinal studies showing reduced heart disease, reduced dementia, reduced cancer, just from blocking all that sugar from getting into your cells and damaging them. So we're big fans of that. And that's just one peptide. There are so many therapeutic peptides now that you can talk about.
Speaker 2:Well, I, after retiring, after selling my stores, I did do the seromoralin. I know that's a good one.
Speaker 3:So just for those who are listening at home, that that's in the family of um, growth hormone releasing, uh, releasing peptides. So it causes you to release growth hormone. You might say, well, I don't want to grow anymore. Well, when you're an adult, your long bones have fused, so your, your growth plates have stopped, so you're not growing so much. But it should be renamed the master anti-inflammatory or the master anti-aging hormone, Cause that's what it is the growth hormone. So if you stimulate it, because we have declining amounts as we age, you can have more youthful properties. I take one, just like it. I've taken it for a long time. So you took Samorlin. There's Hexamorlin, there's Ipamorlin, there's Tesamorlin, there are all the Morlins family. So these are. You're not going to get these from your corner. Urgent care.
Speaker 2:You got to do this. No, no, not at all.
Speaker 3:And that's just the. You're just scratching the surface, omar. There are so many now.
Speaker 2:Well, I see like one of the biggest things now is NAD too. Now is that to keep you and I read the benefits to make you feel younger.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in what?
Speaker 2:aspect does NAD yeah.
Speaker 3:So NAD is a biomolecule that's found in your mitochondria, in your cells. It's part of the cycle where we make a lot of our energy, and you know and mitochondria are known for that so we lose that. Over time our mitochondria become less efficient and then our metabolism slows right. Then we gain weight and we feel sluggish, and so you want to feel younger. You got to feed that cycle. Nad is one way you can feed it. Nmn, nucleotide, riboside Some people use nicotine. You got to have your B vitamins. Some people have trouble processing some of those B vitamins. They don't have the methylation genes and so you got to look at. You can, we can look at all this in detail.
Speaker 2:Your regular doctor probably won't do it no, and then he'll say none of this stuff works, even though, yeah, there's study after study. Uh, I, I know, sir marlin, it got rid of all the belly fat. That helped in that area, and then it also helped recovery, because, yeah, yeah, and then that that actually does help a good night's sleep, because you don't do it right before bedtime knocks you out. You wake up refreshed and, and yeah, that's why I mean, when you say peptides, I, why, why is it, though, that now, it's either you, you're in the love it camp, because you see all the results. You see people looking better, feeling better, excelling on a, on a personal aspect, and then you know you see celebrities or whatnot, using the peptides for weight loss, and then, oh, they're cheating, or they're, they're horrible for doing that. And and you just named one, I, I, you know you well there's semi-glutide, and you know there's all the other yeah, these, these are amazing things and we're using them, uh, a bit.
Speaker 3:And for healing, there's, you know, what's called BPC-157 and TB-500 and the Wolverine protocol, and you know Jeremy Renner, the actor, was in a really bad accident and he recovered. He used lots of peptides to get there and you know those of us that use them will tell you their benefits. The haters are going to hate their benefits. The haters are going to hate you know they'd rather just stick in the 1950s pharmaceutical mode and take their aspirin and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Well, we're waiting for Fen-Phen to come back, so we can just pop the Fen-Phen.
Speaker 3:Well, there are other options.
Speaker 3:Now, if you're looking to stimulate your metabolism, get some nootropic value. There's something called tesofenacine which you could take and it does stimulate your heart rate seven beats per minute on average and if you take too much your blood pressure can go up. So you have to be careful. But there, as far as I know, there were no known cardiovascular. You know side effects otherwise, so, and it can help you, you know, increase your metabolism a little bit so that there are all kinds of things out there and you know you'd be your own doctor.
Speaker 3:You know they used to have that mug that you'd see doctors put on social media would say you know, you know, don't trust me, just go back to Google or whatever like that you know. Or don't compare your Google search to my seven years of training. But I want people to question that. I want them to bring me new information questions. Let's look at it together. Let's there's more information than just what we were learned, what we learned in med school. In fact, most of what I do now has been replaced by new information. But a lot of my colleagues are just still stuck with that Kool-Aid, you know, and just playing to the mediocrity, doing the same thing that we, as neurosurgeons, were doing in the 1950s.
Speaker 2:Well, also, I think I would rather listen to you and your advice if it was over some glutide or anything, if my weight was going out of control. Then going to the doctor that's tired, that he himself looks like he needs to drop 50 or 60 and he tells me you know, hey, here I, I need you to. You know, he's giving me the, the pyramid for which was always flawed to begin with, the new pyramid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, why, thank you, you changed it. You changed the pyramid. It's twinkies, oreos, and then right below there is all the sponsors the pyramid sponsored by nabisco yeah, yeah I would always laugh at that because, oh and here, uh, I need you.
Speaker 2:Here's a pill I I remember you're gonna laugh at this years ago when I I believed in it 100. It's like oh, you have cholesterol, so you know, writes a script well, I never take it. I lose it naturally and go back and he's like I like the levels. You see, the medicine works and I'm like so can I stop taking it? He's like no, brother, it's very. Once you're on it, you must stay on it Because if not, your cholesterol levels are going to shoot right through man and before you know it, you're going to stroke out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they don't understand cause and effect. It's just amazing. You take these really brilliant people that worked hard and studied hard and passed testing in the med school. Then all of a sudden they're given this book of information and they become dumb. It's crazy how that happens and they can't think intelligently anymore, they can't think independently anymore and they don't know how to read a scientific study and know what's crap and what's not.
Speaker 3:And let's look at cholesterol. You know, 50 years ago the normal range of cholesterol on a blood test was up to 240. Now the normal range of cholesterol is a blood test was up to 240. Now the normal range of cholesterol is only allowed up to 200. And at 201, they give you a prescription for a statin. So why did it go from 240 down to 200?
Speaker 3:Because the pharmaceutical industry came up with the concept that elevated cholesterol was associated with heart attacks and we have to lower it. So we came up with drugs to do that. So they changed the rules to sell statin drugs. So turns out we need cholesterol. Cholesterol is a building block of all of our steroid hormones in our body, like testosterone, estrogen, um, you know the adrenal hormones, like cortisol. It comes from cholesterol, remember steroid. So that's where it comes from. We need that, and it's also important for the fluidity of our membranes and our cells. So, as it turns out now, we're seeing that cholesterol closer to 240 is associated with a lower chance of dementia. So all these statins may be causing Alzheimer's or something.
Speaker 2:No way. But the best part about it is there's medicine for that. And the best part is whenever you look at the commercials and they have all the side effects and they're all like running down a hill or something like that. Having a picnic might cause suicidal thoughts, but my favorite is that, yes, you need this antidepressant, but oh, by the way, you might kill yourself. Yeah, well, if I'm sad, why are you going to give me something that might possibly?
Speaker 3:make me sadder. We're just going to hurry up the process. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:This medicine is going to make you really hate your life. Think back hard, 10x every bad decision you ever made, and it'll give you nightmares at night, the ghost of Christmas. What could have been? What could?
Speaker 3:have been, so we're paying billions of dollars to pharmaceutical companies to foster dementia.
Speaker 2:Well, one thing leads to another, but the best part about it is there's always something. I mean all of them must have been so stoked in 2020 when Corona came out and the record sales with the shot especially since Pfizer hadn't had like a winner since probably their blue pill and that thing was the game game changer yeah, yeah, and and you know the speaking of the blue pill there are certain things that turn out to have anti-aging benefits.
Speaker 3:The blue pill is one of them. Um, you know, uh, it has it's a vasodilator, it opens some of the vessels, so it helps. It helps get blood flow places, so it, you know, not just that place but other places. So we found that some of these things actually can be beneficial. So drugs have accidental benefits sometimes. I mean, we wouldn't even know about Viagra and its benefit had it not been for the test subjects taking it. They were taking it to see if it would lower their blood pressure and uh, but they came in and reported hey, things in the bedroom been great yeah and they.
Speaker 2:They came in walking like the hunchback of notre dame a big boner yeah, I always, love may cause a four, four hourction. So what are you going to do for the three hours and 55 minutes?
Speaker 3:Well played Well played.
Speaker 2:So I know how to find you, dr Gross. I know how to social media stalk you, which you're doing a great job, thank you. You're way ahead of the game on everything, including other competitors. We all have competition. The Med Spa, all that. All their websites suck. I love yours, I love, I'm telling you I saw the TikTok, I saw the Instagram. I've got short. I'm like all these. I saw the TikTok, I saw the Instagram and you know I'm, I've, I've got short. I'm like all these kids on TikTok. Man, if it, if it doesn't, you know, excite me or inform me. But no, I was captivated by all of it. So doing to me, keep it up and whoever's doing it if it's you yourself or your team, they are doing the right thing and they're looking for it. Young people and man, anybody that who doesn't want to look better, who doesn't want to feel better?
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, and I got you are living in service because, shit, I saw the pain my kid was in for a full year and going to rehab, like that and I was so thankful and said of doing the PRP instead of going under a full knife and and doing all that. So you're, you're, you are making people live longer, happier, making people look better. So thank you for that. And here's a question for you. I always love the last question to everybody, and this, this one's for you. I don't know, doctor, I know you're a quacker, so I've I've all this free thinking. You know, fast forward sounds like blade runner crap. My doctor, you know I went to my orthopedic. My back pain's killing me, my knees are killing me. Why should I? Even he says it ain't going to work. What do you have to tell me, doc?
Speaker 3:Well, you know, I would say to that patient you know, had you come to me 10 years ago, I might have said the same thing, but I took the time to do an updated deep dive on this. Let me show you some before and after examples of what we've done without surgery.
Speaker 2:And the story that's a mic drop right there. Dr Jeff Gross. He's the founder of ReCelebrate. How do they find you? Plug away, brother.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thank you for this, and it's good hanging out with you. I hope we do it again. So we created our new office name. Our brand is Re-celebrate celebrating the renewal of yourselves, and, as far as I know, we're the only people using that word with this spelling R-E-C-E-L-L-E-B-R-A-T-E. Look us up at reselebratecom. Check out our Instagram, our TikTok, our Pinterest, our LinkedIn, our Facebook, our whatever. We got it all. We own that corner of that name. Check out everything. Stem cells, regeneratives. If you have any questions I love to meet new people Please call. Let me spend some time with you on the phone. It doesn't cost you anything. If you're looking at a knee replacement or your doctor said when you're ready you can have one, let me show you how to potentially move that in the other direction, away from surgery. Give us a call.
Speaker 2:Not only give them a call, it's a write-off. Go visit California man. I mean it's an amazing state, california man. I mean it's an amazing state. We're in Las Vegas now.
Speaker 3:Omar, I thought it said Henderson in California. Yeah, I was in California for many years and we closed out. I need to update some of this.
Speaker 2:I've been to Henderson, so you're in the suburbs of Las Vegas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're probably five, six miles from the airport. So close suburb, yeah, even better.
Speaker 2:And let me tell you it's not Summerlin, summerlin's the opposite way. Right, I dated a woman that lives in Las Vegas, so that's why I know it, henderson, think about it, it's a complete write-off. You can stay on the strip, henderson's right there. Hey, uncle, sam doesn't mind Medical, you're going, sam doesn't mind Medical, you're going out of your way and you're meeting an innovator. Thank you for your time, thank you for the hour, best of luck, and next time I'm in Vegas I might stop by, because, man, I'm falling apart and I'm not going to have some quack cut me up because that's painful.
Speaker 3:Well, come by. We'd love to love to meet you in person and we'll fix you up. We'll do a whole 10 man protocol on you.
Speaker 2:Sounds good, thank you.
Speaker 1:Bye. Action and made it happen and started living inside of your purpose. What if it did work? Right now you can make a choice to never listen to that negative voice no more. The hardest prison to escape is our own mind. I was trapped inside that prison all for a long time. To make it happen, you gotta take action. Just imagine what if it did work.