What If It Did Work?
What If It Did Work?
Mindset: Transforming Your Mind, Body, and Spirit
The courage to reach out directly can transform your life—just ask Alex Muir, who landed on Omar's podcast through a simple, straightforward message expressing genuine interest. Their conversation reveals how directness creates opportunity where endless small talk fails.
Both hosts share their journeys building podcasts from scratch during the pandemic, finding purpose when the world shut down. Alex, creator of the Mindset podcast focused on mind-body-spirit optimization, and Omar, whose "What If It Did Work" podcast recently hit one million downloads, discuss how they found meaning by helping others despite their own natural introversion.
They laugh about the absurdity of social media pitches and cold calls that dance around the point instead of being upfront about intentions. As former sales professionals, they understand rejection intimately—the very thing that built their resilience and authenticity. "I've had so many suit dudes, so many no's that if I got a dollar for every no in my life, I'd be pretty wealthy," Omar reflects.
The conversation takes a thoughtful turn toward meditation, mental clarity, and the importance of managing energy rather than obsessing over metrics. Both agree that success in niche content takes longer but creates deeper connections with audiences who genuinely need your message. As Alex puts it, "When the mission's clear and the niche is very niche, then I'm okay with it taking longer, because as long as you're enjoying the process, that's all that matters."
Their authentic exchange offers a refreshing perspective on building something meaningful in a world of quick fixes and overnight success stories. Subscribe to both podcasts to continue exploring mindset shifts that transform lives and discover what happens when you finally take action despite your fears.
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I never told no one that my whole life I've been holding back. Every time I load my gun up so I can shoot for the star, I hear a voice like who do you think you?
Speaker 2:are all right. Everybody. I'm super excited. I'm super stoked. I'm not even starting my intro yet because this guest I was a super fan of his podcast. It's been many years, so holy, I guess I have to do introduce myself. Another day, another dollar, another one of my favorite podcast episodes. My favorite podcast because I'm biased my own podcast one million downloads. Season five got with me the man, the myth, the legend. He is a podcast extraordinaire. He's a foreign guy across the pond where Donald Trump wants to make it the 51st state Podcaster himself.
Speaker 2:Alex Mirabounder and host of Mindset transformational platform dedicated to optimizing the mind, body, soul, the spirit. Man we're so connected. Man. Since its debut in March 2020, alex has been guiding listeners through over 225 curated podcast episodes, weekly motivational shorts and coaching tools designed to empower personal and professional growth. I got to say one of my favorites, not to be biased, but when I was your guest, we did a great episode His mission to equip individuals with mindset shifts, recovery and resilience. Man, I can tell you're educated, dude. These are like words, man. I've got a degree in journalism. Man, only one syllable, two syllable Routines and soulful strategies that support total human performance, mental clarity, physical energy and deeper purpose. You know, he's got the podcast. He's got YouTube mindset podcast, mindset YouTube. He's a man on a mission. He's got a vision. What's up, brother?
Speaker 3:How are you doing, omar? Happy to have you back on your show. It's been a long time coming. And again, congrats on over 1 million downloads.
Speaker 2:man Dude, you know how hard it is to go to every department store, electronic store and Circuit City and Best Buy and HitPlay. That was the hardest part, man Driving around towns.
Speaker 3:So how's it going? Brother, it's been good, man, it's been good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got to say say man, I love your reels. Dude you, you really not just because you gave me a shout out on that one, but you, you're an old soul man. I, I know you're, you're a young guy, you're a millennial, but dude the mind body. I got to say. And for those with Alex, I literally didn't know him, I'm like and I didn't have a publicist or anything reach out to you.
Speaker 3:Cold DM, cold DM me. I didn't even know him. It was crazy. It was crazy.
Speaker 2:That's life, isn't it? Yeah, because, dude, you want to know all these people that are on my show. They pay someone a lot of money to say, hey, omar, we think he'd be an amazing guest. Dude, you could cut the middleman. That's why, man, I've had better times. I was an idiot. I paid a quote unquote publicist and they got me on shows that I could have just did that with you. Hey, man, I love your stuff, I've been listening to it, you know. Got me on shows that I could have just did that with you. Hey, man, I love your stuff, I've been listening to it, you know have me on what's the worst that you could have said?
Speaker 3:you could have been like dude, you're an old fart man, you're not my target audience but I, I like, I love it when people cold dm me, because I I'm used to that, because I I've, I've had to do that. I know what it takes. I know that fear of oh you know what if it might not work. But I was just because of my background being in sales, like yourself, like we know how hard it is to make that approach into cold DM or the cold approach to make those cold calls, and it's a lot, it's a lot of courage, right, and there's a lot of rejection. There's a lot of rejection, right, and most of the time the words no.
Speaker 3:But when you give it a go, like what if it did work? Or what if there's a chance that this person could be on my show? Cause I really want this person to be on my show, cause they have an amazing brand, and I right, and I looked into your brand and I'm like, holy, this guy's on fire. I'm like I saw your following, I saw the kind of content that you do. I'm like right up my alley, I'm like I would love to have you on my show.
Speaker 2:But you know what? We're both in sales. I didn't beat the bush. I didn't say hey, Alex, in small talk to you, Because I got one yesterday dm uh cold text message like nine o'clock at night.
Speaker 1:hey, omar the fuck is this man?
Speaker 2:I'll recognize the number. He's like I heard you wanted to write a book. I'm like I still didn't answer it. And he's's like you know what man it's? You know, I'm having an amazing night, I get it, but you know, I think we would do great things together. And he kept on small talking. I look at him and I'm like you got your information wrong. And he's like oh, what do you mean? I'm like do your research? I'm like I wrote two books already. Why would I use you? Why would I use your services? And I'm like why? Who taught you how to sell man? I'm like Zig Ziglar is rolling in his grave at this bullshit pitch. I mean, even Grant Cardone's ears are bleeding somewhere. Where did you learn sales? And the guy's like more small talk. Ha ha ha. See, you know I'm rusty. Oh my god, I'm like not never here. Did you give me your offer? If you're going to cold call somebody, if you're going to pitch someone? I said hey, man, I love your content, would love to be on your show.
Speaker 2:I wasn't like hey alex, how's it going in vancouver? Hey, you like the vancouver?
Speaker 3:because I love direct.
Speaker 2:Yeah you have to be direct man yeah, yeah in sales and I know your dad, you know your parents were entrepreneurs. But, man, sales, you have to go for it. You can't be fucking like talking shit man. It's like, yeah, if you're my friend and I told him that and he, he didn't answer back. He probably blocked it because it was, it was, you know, it was green, so I, it wasn't an Apple phone. So I'm like, look, I'm like whatever man, I gave you constructive criticism, I said just give the offer, what do you want? All the guy would have had to do hey, blank amount, I can get you published.
Speaker 2:Or it's the same thing on Facebook, man, on social media, the worst is like when people like and you see what they're, you see what they're all about, because you know you hit their thing. And oh, I'm a point number one, a pointer sentence, appointments, and you know a social media expert, and it's like, oh my god. So and they start liking your, your shit, and it's like, oh my god, this is like the, the creepy old guy that finds out like some hot chick, is single or, and, you know, just starts randomly loving things, and it's like and it's like man just throw your offer out there and then, when they're like, oh, I can make you famous, I can do this, I can do that, I can help you monetize, I'm like, don't you think I know how to do an offer?
Speaker 2:If I needed appointments and I was looking for appointments, I think those reels, I think there'd be a call to action. I mean, your, your, your stuff is educational too. If Alex was like I'm a personal trainer, which I know you're not, because you know your mind, body and spirit, but you do videos on a healthy eating, a healthy, active lifestyle, it, it. But if, all of a sudden, you and your wife were personal trainers, you had your own personal gym and you're doing all that shit, I'd be like, alex, what's wrong with you, dude? But you're not because you're not a personal trainer. But that's what these people do.
Speaker 2:It's like either you're gonna small talk me, like you know, send me 20 different dms until you finally you know, oh, I can make you, but you only have 200 followers. You're what, mother Teresa, you had the cure, you had salvation for me, but yet you're not using it yourself. You're doing it all for me for a low, low cost. Why, thank you, oh, man, and trust me, brother, yeah, you're, you're a good guy and people in canada are more well-mannered than here. But man, I, I would never send people dude. I've gotten told f off a million times for a guy that couldn't ask out a chick growing up to. I don't take it personal, but at least you know, let me give you an offer. I never, you know, selling for other people. I'm not like hey, you know what? It's an amazing day today. It's Thursday, it's almost Friday, it's almost the weekend, man.
Speaker 3:What the?
Speaker 2:fuck. Do you want from me? I? Get I get ditched all the time. But no man. Hey man. So how's the weather it's like here? Oh, we're alex. How's the weather in vancouver? Do you guys have a mild summer, or is it a decent summer? Or how close are you to no man who cares? How far okay, yeah if you really want to know, go to google and see how far is Seattle.
Speaker 3:Can I take the?
Speaker 2:Amtrak there from Vancouver. Can I take a cruise? How far is it from Vancouver to Alaska? But that's how people operate man and shit. Dude, I know you get it too all the time because you're like mindset. I love the concept. We can, we can get you right there competing. It's going to be Alex with who do you want? Oh, I see you're. You're into fitness, so let's do it Alex with Andy for Sola. You'll be like the next Jocko. Just sign a contract.
Speaker 3:I get a lot of those. I get a lot of those cold emails a lot, really, because you put a wide net out, like you said, you do enough consistent daily content and then you just get pitched like crazy and a lot of it's fluff, a lot of it's not what you want, and that's a thing, right. I'm like I know exactly what my mission is, I know exactly what I stand for and nothing else your mission is there, it's clear.
Speaker 3:It's clear clarity, simplicity, clear mission. Like I want to empower people. One word I'm trying to work towards empowerment. That's my word. I had a guy, a gentleman, that worked his way up UPS and then eventually left UPS. He was like not president, but he was really high up and then he became a business consultant, right Like yourself, started in March of 2020. He was like one of my guests and his name was Rocky Romanella. Like bootstrapper, like Italian American, um, like worked his way up in UPS, was from Brooklyn or New Jersey, and one one thing that he that really stuck with me, that he said was he's like people that have a really clear mission and they really understand their personal brand. They're working towards one word like a word, and his was thoughtful. He wants people to see him as a thoughtful human being. And then mine at the time was energy, because we just were spitballing right and he knew what his was. But now mine is like everything I do is closer and closer to that word. I'm like how can I empower people Through my content?
Speaker 2:through my brand, my brand exactly, and it's everywhere mind, body, spirit, yeah, and your mission, you, you, it's. It's not blurry. You know what people do. Blurry is like women do this a lot, but there's men that do it. They're trying to sell their vision but all of a sudden, to get likes or to go quote, unquote, viral. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna show you how to get first class tickets on american airlines and I'm gonna show you how to get discounts off hotels. And, oh my god, this is my stay here. It's so. It's like yes, but that's not but, and people are like that right oh, hey, guess where I'm eating today.
Speaker 2:It's like but you're not the food guy yeah, but you're not, and you're not now. You're into travel now, into your food now. Now you're into personal development, and then you're also going to be into business development you can't, you can't be everything yeah you gotta niche, niche, down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly it's, it's not, it's not 7-eleven it. Well, here in a bodega, you know, you want a convenience store that sells everything. You know, dude, when somebody tells me usually this is to try to make themselves feel better, hey, I've never listened to your podcast, I've never bought a book, I've never done like, ok, well, what's your point? So neither has nine billion people. Man, I mean, thank you for your time. I'm like dude, if that or chick that's going to hurt me, my mom hasn't any of the above, I mean go stand in line, man, if I'm going to start pandering to people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know that my you're so specific and that's why that's why I, you know, I, I love it. Because that's why I said mind, body and spirit, because that's my I. I always talk about mind, body, spirit, everything, every message. I always say, whether it's I want it was just a movement to make one change one person's life, then maybe two, then three. Nowhere does it say a call to action. So how, what? What appointments do you want? What appointments am I looking? Because if I'm not promoting my books, you don't see me hammering away. Oh, please, please, give Amazon some money and oh my God, I might be able to go to a decent restaurant if I promote it. Who cares?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like Joe Rogan had a really good. He doesn't go on other people's podcasts very often, but he was on uh, that one guy I forget his name, probably, who, pat, you know?
Speaker 3:no, no, it was. It was this that really that it was like that biohacker guy. He used to be a financial plan uh, not a financial planner like a life insurance agent uh, you might have heard of him. It's like his is like the, it's like the bio or the some human project podcast name or whatever.
Speaker 3:And joe rogan went on there and and they're like oh, like, why, like, why is it, joe, that your podcast is so much better by such a huge margin across all everyone else's podcast? He's like oh, because I don't think about it at all. He's like I have, I just seek out guests that have like, oh, that person said some crazy shit, like let's have them on, or what they think this. Oh, let's have them on. So he just has people on that he finds super interesting or that are so outlandish or so far off of what people are used to you know hearing stuff from, or and then he has them on and they might have most of the time they never, they've never met and they don't even know about joe because they're just so busy doing their thing right, building their brand. So it's interesting.
Speaker 2:He doesn't he?
Speaker 3:doesn't obsess or overanalyze about it.
Speaker 2:You want to know what I I do yeah I say yes to everybody if you want to be on my fucking show yeah and okay, you have nothing to talk.
Speaker 2:We're gonna fucking create magic because I'm gonna, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna be my, my old self. Yeah, if you have something to promote, but you want to be on my show, I'm humbled man. I'm the guy, literally that you know, super introvert, socially awkward, for sure, let's go on my show. I say yes to everybody because I want somebody to say yes to me. It's just karma. Now have I had plenty of people on that never invited me. Hey, you know what. It's their loss.
Speaker 2:Because you know what, when I'm on someone's show, I'm whatever you want me to be. You want me to talk spirituality, I'll be evangelical man. You'll think I'm the next Joel Osteen. Whatever it is that you want to talk about. You want seriousness. You want, you know, mind, body, spirit, whatever it is, I will bring it and I'll promote it. I'll tell everybody and but that's the way it is. But now, if you don't want me on your show to me, it's your loss. But, yeah, no, everybody.
Speaker 2:And then I'm calculated because you know, before I was like a star fucker. You know the first season? Oh, my god, I had jensen Saro. That woman didn't promote shit. She didn't say anything unusual. It was the same crap, because people like that Jensen Saro and Evan Carmichael if it's going to be something amazing, they're going to do it on their own stuff. Why are they going to share it? They're too busy building and polishing their own brand. They're not gonna be like, oh guess what? I was on the what if it did work podcast. It's amazing. No, so I I say yes to everybody and then I'm like, okay, hopefully they have more than like two people that that listen their stuff and yeah, but that that's how I built an audience.
Speaker 3:Man, because that first, it's a, it's a slow, it's a slow burn.
Speaker 2:But it really it explodes eventually oh, alex, I was like a jehovah witness. I wasn't knocking on it before virtual knocks virtual knocks, dude.
Speaker 2:I had a chick tell me and I was like what the? Are you fucking crazy? She's like I got a boyfriend. I'm feeling uncomfortable, feeling uncomfortable. I just want you to fucking download an episode, subscribe and then I don't have to bother you. I could give a shit. I'm not hitting on you, honey. But yeah, and people were like every Wednesday like, oh, fuck they're. They're like, yes, omar, you, you, you want me to to listen to your podcast. You want me, well, more than likely, I would love for you to subscribe and think about maybe reshare, yes, maybe reshare.
Speaker 3:It costs nothing, it's free.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and it's craziness because it's always strangers that are your biggest fucking biggest fans yeah, they don't even know you.
Speaker 3:It's always strangers that are your biggest, fucking biggest fans. Yep, they don't even know you as fans, yeah, or people that I've never.
Speaker 2:I've never met that will reshare my content. People that I grew up with have never and I've had them on as a guest, but a lot of them they won't hit the hey they, they won't plug, they won't promote, and but that's why that's that and that's saying so. True man, your biggest fans are always strange anonymous usually, dude.
Speaker 2:I almost didn't write the first book because, you know, the girl I was dating was like jonesing on me because you know how could I be more successful than her ex-husband? Who was I? To write a book? Who am I? Well, clearly someone better than your fucking ex-husband. What can I say? Write a book? Who am I? Well, clearly someone better than your fucking ex-husband. What can I say, man, why? Why doesn't he step up his game and why don't you step up your game?
Speaker 2:yeah instead of hating on people because people think there's scarcity in success. If alex alex's show mindset goes so big that all of a sudden he has Ed Milet next week, andy for solo, I mean you have like Anthony Robbins, you have everybody. I'm supposed to hate on you because they're not going on my show. No man, success is finite.
Speaker 3:It's abundant. Yeah, there's tons of success to go around.
Speaker 2:It's not your fault. You're more successful than I am. It's my fault that I haven't leveled up and that's what that people small minded people don't see that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like like a big thing starts small right, like what if it did work? Podcast started with one single episode, one single interview, and then it, and then it snowballed from there.
Speaker 2:Oh, man, even for guests, that that first season were people that I knew, people I grew up with Myself was the first episode. My girlfriend was second, cutting edge right there, man, you know. And then you know people I grew up with, or you know personal trainers, or it was like you know, dming, social media people, and that was it, man and like. The hardest now and this is ego, because I just smirk is when you want to give someone a hand, like someone you know, an associate I'm sure you've had this and they reject you or they'll be like I think about it, which means no, but yet you have strangers. You had me say, hey, man, I'd love to have, I'd love to be on your show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, say.
Speaker 2:Hey, man, I'd love to have, I'd love to be on your show. Yeah, and it's mind blowing because you know I've, there's plenty of people that it's like peep, I'm throwing you an offer, I've got, I've got 20, 30. If I drop dead today, the show could still go on, for cause, literally people, all these publicists are getting paid. And they could still go on for because literally people, all these publicists are getting paid and they think I, I go on daily or something like that. I've got podcasts, like that's why I, I have one, two today, because you know, everybody, you know thinks and I'm. It's like thank you, uh, do you think my show's that good or you just want your, your buddy, your, your client?
Speaker 3:yeah, no, like it's. It's crazy how it is the coolest marketing medium that I've ever encountered. Like, as soon as covid hit right, everything's cut off. No one's able to socialize as much as they normally do and I'm and humans are, you know, social creatures. Right, we got it. We're wired to connect. And as soon as podcasting was really starting to take off, like I was like it's crazy. I was like this is, like this is, this is the stuff, this is the. This is what helped me get through this tough time, right when everything's cut off and oh for sure, and think about it.
Speaker 3:It helped me thrive.
Speaker 2:It helped me thrive, man you started when the friggin world shut down.
Speaker 3:Yeah, me and my wife were laid off our jobs. We were like I'm like, oh my god, I'm because like I need something to obsess about, I need something to fuel me, I need something to be like what's what, what can I shoot for? Just one thing a day. Just one thing a day to keep me going. Because I know, you know, this isn't the I, this isn't. This situation isn't ideal, but I can't change the situation. But I can, I can make myself better during the situation. So what can I do?
Speaker 3:And I was brainstorming, I'm like, and then I heard a podcast because we were listening to podcasts a whole bunch of me and my wife and then it's actually David Dobrik's podcast, that YouTuber, and we were really into him at the time. And, um, he had an ad for anchor and anchor is now spotify for for creators and they've like rebranded their name a couple times. And then there was an ad during his podcast for using anchor, because that's how he created his podcast. And then that's how it started and I was like, all right, let's try it, I'll set it up and then start off as audio. You know, for a few years that's all I did, audio only and then start off as audio, you know, for a few years, and that's all I did, audio only. And then eventually, you know, video was becoming big and then I was like, let's try video. And then like, all right, this video now it's like, and it's just you, just, you know, you just kind of ride, ride the trends and see what happens. Experiment, be adventurous.
Speaker 2:I need to get out of my safe zone. Safe place because I, because the YouTube channel. To me, it was like I felt like you know, everywhere else I saw somewhat growth. I'm like, oh, fuck it, man, I'm not throwing a video.
Speaker 2:I only get like six or seven downloads, fuck that, but you know what it's like. Then I have to go back. You know, eventually I like, then I have to go back because you know, eventually I'm gonna have to, because if I'm saying my my only mission is I want to see people do better, so maybe those seven never, never, read a book, never, you know and and it inspired them so that's still seven people like David A Specht, right?
Speaker 3:Like David A Specht says and that you've said too, he's like, even if you have like 10 people that are watching your reel, that's still imagine that 10 reel people in a room and you're doing a speech, but instead of doing the reel, you're doing a five-minute speech or a one one minute clip in the room. That's really powerful. When we, when we so we got to kind of reverse engineer our thought process on that, like yeah, it might not seem like a lot of views online, but those are real people behind those views, and if we're in a room and we're doing a pitch or a speech and then we got 10 people listening to us, that's powerful. Right, it might just be 10 people, but that's 10 people that our message is resonating with them, our message is potentially empowering them, making them think differently.
Speaker 2:Well, it's all about just you and, I believe, about becoming a better version of ourselves. Yeah about becoming a better version of ourselves. Yeah, all those thousands of videos, whether it was Facebook Lives, instagram Lives. One minute 30 seconds, seven minute videos, 10 minute videos. To me, that was all practicing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would have never been able to do a TEDx talk if I was just like hey hey guys, I just want to do one, and yeah, there's people that do that, but, dude, that's not my personality and literally, you know, I was. I'm still socially awkward, dude. I you've heard that. You've heard me say that. You know, yeah, we're talking here and there, but if we're hanging out, we were double dating and then all of a sudden, I'd just be like not talking, it's not because I'm an asshole, it's because you know I'm an, I'm an introvert. Yeah, yeah, and a lot of people, you know, think, because they see me talking on videos or or you know the shit, that I'm talking on someone's stage or someone's podcast, yeah, that's. And it reminds me of a meme that a friend sent me and the guy was like in his underwear, passed out on his couch. He's like, oh, don't bother me, I just finished doing a podcast and I know it's tongue in cheek, but, dude, I'm drained and especially doing two it's because I'm going way past my comfort zone.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's because I'm going way past my comfort zone. Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:I just rather be watching something.
Speaker 3:LSU.
Speaker 2:Well, definitely that, but yeah, and it's why, like you know, some people don't realize that, yes, everything is me, but I'm still going out of my comfort zone, like you know it's an energy yeah.
Speaker 3:It's an energy enhancer for you, but but at the same time, like for me too, like it's still an it's an energy enhancer in the moment, but then you need you still need uh, recalibration time because it's still the same when, when we're in sales, you turn that on yeah so when people say, oh, I'm not, I'm not good at sales, you sure did, because you just talked me into the fact that you're a fucking idiot because you somehow lied to someone to get you to marry him, you lied to someone to hire you.
Speaker 2:We're all in sales. But when you have that sales mode that you have to get that sales, you have to be up, and you and I have felt bad physically, you're sick. You have to push that shit down, yeah, and you have to go forward. And you, you, you have to play someone that's not sick. You, you have to be like and, yes, you have to be authentic, but you, you also have to have some energy yeah, you have to.
Speaker 3:You have to, uh like, recreate that energy every time, so in a different way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, alex, I'm good at sales, yeah, but if it was just, hey, we're going to pay you whatever. You know, if, if, if, whether it was a cold call or a door to door or whatever, all these years I've been just silent. No, yeah, hey, man, nice to meet you. No, I have to go out there. And if somebody has to tell me I'm a motherfucker, or get the fuck out of my face or hang up on me, it's like, and it's funny, because whenever, cause you know, in sales, sometimes you have to take a step back. After five people, six people, yeah, no, and they tell you to go, fuck off, you just have to take a step back.
Speaker 2:I take a step back. I I'm like, hey, I'm bringing this now because my confidence. And then what I do is I think about that, that kid. I'm like, oh my god, man, I can't believe I couldn't ask out a chick, fuck that. And that. That's why that's when you, you talk about dude, all these tools, man, if, if they had this back in my 20s, I would have been like with.
Speaker 2:Like I would have been like hugh hefner man, I would have been just walking around in a silk robe and I would have built confidence. But life happens. You had you have to go through a, b, d and when people see this, you can look at videos from like 10 years ago of me talking and like with people that first season and all that, everybody could go drink. Ha ha, take a shot. Because I said, and all that for everything on the podcast, you can't now, motherfuckers, because you know, know, it's all about getting it's a lot of get getting.
Speaker 3:Like you said, it's been getting better, man, yeah, it's, it's, it's a uh every day's rep, one every day's, like you said, all your reels day zero that isn't that the best part about sales man is?
Speaker 2:yeah you start and you know, especially when you own a business, you're an entrepreneur dude. I had 20 years of that. You know I couldn't go pay my landlord by man. Have you seen what I've done for the past five years?
Speaker 2:I fucking crushed it, man I crushed it in sales, like, okay, well, pay me. Well, hey, man, things are soft, man, corona came, or you know, I remember my, I just got a divorce, split, all the assets, all the stores and my nut, my top performing store. They closed, um, like the main, the main road in front of it, like for a year, and I was like I, I had to survive and I had to find ways. But that's, you know, marketing 101, that's called business 101, that's called going out of your comfort zone, because, man, I've had, I've had so many suit dudes. So you, you and I, I've heard so many no's that if I got a dollar for every no in my life, I'd be pretty wealthy.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Coming from the guy. Oh my God, I can't ask out that chick she, you know, and that's why in the book, man just go out dude you know Amy wouldn't like it, you know, but you know I could easily, if I was single, just go to any bar and just ask out.
Speaker 2:every single chick Wouldn't want to ask out somebody with someone because I wouldn't want to get my ass kicked and if they told me to press on or I'm an old guy or I suck, you know you have to have that next. You have to have that attitude man, like in 50 First Dates, man, 10 second time man, and that's how you have to approach life man. You have to like in 50, 50 second, uh, 50 first dates man, 10 second, tom man, and that's, that's, that's how you have to approach life. Man, yeah and sales, and then also dude, you and I there. There's times, man, we're human that you're like what am I doing? Why don't I just pack it up, Pack it in, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. There's definitely days like that where you're just you're, you're just feeling down, you're not as into it, you're like man, I should just quit. But the vision is what's keeping you going. The mission, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, exactly, and then you know if you try and passion, you know there's no try, there's do man, just go out there and you're going to laugh. But I felt weird because I went to the podcasting convention in Orlando, right outside of Disney World, the biggest one in the world this and that, and I only had like 20 episodes. I'm not a podcaster. That's my limiting belief, man, if you're doing something, dude, you and I work out. Are we Olympia? No, that's the fucking point. Zero, zero, zero, one percent.
Speaker 2:But we still do the same Olympic weightlifting movements, we still can do a bench. So you have to say to yourself yes, I do lift weights, I am in sales. You can't have this, because it was always that to me. If I do this, then I become. Oh, maybe if I hit 1,000 downloads, dude, I would have been crushed, the old me, because I would have felt like, after 1 million views, that God would have opened up the heavens. Jesus Christ, st Peter, all the saints would have come down, the Virgin Mary, and they would have been like oh man, omar, congratulations, here's your happiness. Because I equated stupid shit like that, dude, yeah equated stupid shit like that dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like so. How do you like? How do you get away or how have you gotten away from maybe being obsessed with the metrics and then what, what was where, when was that shift? Or maybe where was that shift? Where you're just like, oh, screw the numbers, I just love this, screw the numbers, because I was everything my whole life was.
Speaker 2:If, then man for happiness, if I did this or I'll be successful. Successful is a mindset too. Man. Everybody has a definition. Dude, there's no, you cross this barrier. And the same thing for happiness. I equated happiness with oh my gosh, if I'm on, you know, the old me would be like oh my god, I know I will. I would finally be a podcaster if I'm on andy for solo show now, and me if I never. If I'm never on it, dude, it's his loss. You know I I can't obsess over that, but before it was always something like that. Yes, it was always metrics. I don't, you're gonna laugh. I don't even listen. I haven't listened to an episode of my podcast.
Speaker 3:Oh really.
Speaker 2:I mean I hardly either Just because.
Speaker 3:I was like oh, I don't want to mess with my metrics. Of course, yes.
Speaker 2:But with me it's always like because I know I'll obsess, because I'd be like oh my god, it'd be perfect if I asked this, or why not?
Speaker 3:it's already happened.
Speaker 2:On to the next I don't look at the numbers. Yeah, because I would always be like, oh well, because then if, if you start looking at the numbers, well you know, maybe because before it'd be like, well, I, I need downloads from to me. It always bothers me that louisianians, lsu, louisiana, baton rouge, new orleans, nobody buys my fucking book, nobody. But my podcast isn't about lsu, it's not about cajun living, it's not. There's no personal development, there's no business development in the south. I was, I was fucking, do you know, running in circles. If they don't know who Grant Cardone is, and if you graduated from McNeese state, I bet you there's nowhere that says, hey, you know, grant Cardone graduated from here. Because it's like you know, if, if nobody knows him there, like you know the majority of people, they're not going to be like, oh shit, omar, omar Medrano, that guy graduated from lsu. We better be listening because his stuff is on how to make your life happen. I better need to listen because he, he's one of us, he graduated, so no man. So I don't look at numbers, I don't obsess, I'm not like well man, oh fuck, alex is from vancouver. I going to have downloads from Canada. You're going to laugh.
Speaker 2:I get a lot of downloads from like India and out there, because for the longest time, on a quarterly basis, they, they ha, it's from Toronto, they live stream it and it's like Indians and other they might think I'm Indian, but dude, I'll, I'll go on, and other they might think I'm Indian, but dude, I'll go on. The NAACP man, I'm just, I'm that type of guy. So they would always invite me. I wouldn't fly to Toronto or India, where the hell they have it, and through Zoom and I give the inspirational speech because, hey, you want me to talk, I can do the fire and brimstone. I can be an evangel evangelical if somebody wants me to, so like that. So if I look at the numbers, it'll be like man, he gets a lot of love from over there. Now it's because you know, I've I've been out there. Well, you know my message has hit those people.
Speaker 2:Yeah now the old me would be like oh my god, like the old me would have never said yes. Because they'd be like oh my god, man, how come I'm not on these huge stages? Why do I have to do virtual stage, and you know, for indians? Well, turn that question around, man. Indians are some of the most successful people, some of the most highly intelligent, intelligent. So if they think I'm that good, then so be it.
Speaker 3:Man, don't be like oh, they've got a huge population.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, so it's always. I mean you have to always, because one time this was like right after Corona I spoke at a. It was a conference for high school kids, high school seniors, highly educated, in New York City, and they wanted me to talk to kids about, like you know what happens, my expertise if which is not really, but I'll say yes to anything. Not really, but I'll say yes to anything. You know God, how about if I don't get into Yale and I have to settle for Stanford? It was like all these Asians and Indian kids and all that and I'm like to me, it was like shit. I had to decide between, like, lsu and UNLV. Man, if any school, if you had a heartbeat at the time, they'd teach you, but that's a way to have to do it, man.
Speaker 2:And when you build a, when can you say no to things? Or when can you nitpick? When you're so big that you're monetizing and people? Yes, anthony Robbins has to, not not him, because he's got a whole team, like you know, you and I and a bunch of people, hey, want to be on my podcast, like no, and it's nothing personal. He's too big and what can we do for him? Most of all of our audiences know who Anthony Robbins is, so you know so when you get like that but me, no, I'm humble man. If you want to talk, dude, a couple of episodes ago I had the dick docker Guy wanted to discuss. You know the pitfalls of you know getting a dick implant and do it with the right doctor.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:So you know it's and I it was. It was boring as hell.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but you make it interesting.
Speaker 2:And he he knew what I was trying to do, so he went with it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, man just say yes.
Speaker 2:But you know, I, I, I, I believe or not I've slowed down. I don't want to be on on on people's podcasts, man, because I I've let me focus on mine. And when, when the big people come and and it's funny because I almost quit, because I'll believe or not I was in the running when trent shelton just came out with his new book. You know they wanted him on my podcast, his people, he didn't directly, but his people and I and they sent me a free book before and I was like, oh fuck, man, trent Shelton doesn't want to be on my show, but hey, man, it's his loss. Man, I guess I didn't have enough for rehab time, but I still got a free book and it's a great book and I, like the guy and you know the guy can't spread his. It wasn't personal and you have to look at it this way, man. If it's to be, it's up to me and things take time and it takes way longer, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it takes a shit ton longer.
Speaker 2:Because you know we see these reels. But you see we're so niche. It's a minority. If you and I were hot chicks that wanted to fucking promote restaurants, we'd be getting the downloads.
Speaker 3:We'd be getting reviews life, but that's not the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but because we're so niche, it takes longer and that's okay, exactly, but the mission's clear. When the mission's clear, right, and the in the niches, you know it's it's very niche, then, um, I'm okay with that, I'm like you said. I'm like I'm okay with it taking longer, because, as long as you're enjoying the process, that's all that matters oh for sure.
Speaker 2:But I, I dude, if somebody told me I was one day going to interview like highly uber, successful, wealthy people that want to be on my show and want to give me words of wisdom, you know, I don't think about other people, man. A lot of those times I, I want to hear their story for myself. So, yeah, one million people must have liked it, or who. I can't quantify how many people have listened. But, man, I mean, they want to talk to me, they want to be on my show. Or their publicist lied and said you know, but you know, there's numbers out there and you'll get as long you have to do the work, man, and you have to just look forward. And that's why I don't look at metrics, because I'm not trying to monetize it, man. And I know, dude forward, and that's why I don't look at metrics, because I'm not trying to monetize it, man. And I know, dude, one million who gives a shit friggin. Uh, what's his name? The monk? Uh, jay shetty.
Speaker 2:He gets like oh yeah he gets like five million per episode oh my god yeah, he's that big, he's like one of the biggest and you know, humble guy.
Speaker 2:It's not like he walks around and you know, the craziest thing is I took Amy to see him and 100 percent, zero pitch. You go see all these other gurus, man, you pay to get in. Yes, let's sign up, man. You, yeah, you go to gc and everybody has their fucking hand in your, your pocket. Man, it's like, yeah, let me just. No, you think this event's great. What about the next time? Yeah, and you know, anthony robbins, it's, it's the same, because you know they'll do and it's a business man. But but when you get, I was humbled in the sense that that guy is so successful and so popular that he doesn't have to.
Speaker 1:He didn't have to do that. He didn't have to he didn't pitch anything.
Speaker 2:He didn't say, hey man, I've got an eight week bootcamp, or hey, let me meditate. He's like.
Speaker 3:I would like to end by showing people how to meditate and that was that there was no upsell. There was nothing, because I listened to his audio book and that's literally like how he is like no, dude, he and man he had. He meditates like two hours a day, like I do half an hour a day and I feel like I'm pretty zen.
Speaker 2:But well, dr d's like that yeah but you, but you have to realize the meditation saved the guy's life because, yeah, him meditating, all that went from, you know, being a paraplegic to being able to walk and be able to function again. And, dude, meditation's hard people always. You know, you and I meditate and people laugh because they don't understand meditation. They watch movies, they think I have a gong and Buddhist monks come out and then there's an ashgram and we start burning stuff and we go, hmm, it's like no man, it's like maybe you need to meditate, man. That's what the world needs more of. And it's funny because there's so many successful stories. What was it? Dan Harris and his 1% happier or whatever. Guy fucking had a meltdown on TV and nobody could come back from it. But you know meditation and that's why dude meditation too, because you and I, dude, we're in sales, you're married, I was married. So you know it's never going to be a friends episode. There's good, it's the ebb and flow of relationships.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yep, there's ups and downs, ebbs and flows, and for me, like the, the meditation that's, that's many. Well, you saw you saw your parents.
Speaker 2:That was a real relationship. Yeah, was there a laugh track behind it? Was it? Was it like a half hour episode? And then you know, some minute problem. You know, alex forgot his lunchbox at school problem solved. But dude, that's what people think real relationships are.
Speaker 2:That's the reason why there's two. This is sad. Corona stopped divorces for a while because you know money, it nipped it. But people also started People before got divorces because they're disillusioned man. They won't meditate, they won't work on themselves, they won't work on the relationship, but they watch fiction and they think fiction is reality. Yeah, shit, I I'd. I'd kill myself too, man, cause I, I couldn't make it in the Hallmark movie and that town where everybody's hot, including the mayor, everybody. And here I am looking like fucking quasimodo out there. You know, I guess they'd have me as the villain but, even the villain's hot in those movies.
Speaker 2:But yeah, man, it's, everything requires work, and that's that's the one thing. And your, your generation, man, that's why I said you're, you're the, you're carrying the outlier yes, man, you are definitely the outlier man, because hiring a lot of them it's always been. And what happened was, you know, we, we might hate on the boomers because grandpa was boomer, and on, and then you know the parents, but we raised people to believe that you didn't have to do work, that everybody was a rock star yeah, that's.
Speaker 3:That's so far from the truth, yeah so if you want to prepare. Yeah, if you want to prepare for reality, like you said, it takes an insane amount of work. And even then, when you put in that insane amount of work and you have the work ethic, things can still shift.
Speaker 2:And then people are disillusioned, man, because when I say that I work out probably like over 340 days out of the year, a lot of two a days too well, why don't you look like you know, fucking lou ferrigno? Because you know, genetically most people don't look like any of those people and even people can't say steroids, because those guys with their work ethic and genetics, man, sometimes you know and besides you know I don't eat, I eat cleanish.
Speaker 2:But even even if I do, I don't look like like after a 75 day challenge. It's not like oh my God, is that fucking Jean-Claude Van Damme? But yeah, we still do the work.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because I don't want to look like if I didn't work out. I see people my age that look like fucking death man, I dude. I see chicks that I went to high school with in college, or people a little younger. They look like the crypt keeper and it's it. You know you can put as many filters as you want, man, but you know the reality is what's staring at you in the mirror.
Speaker 3:It's true, man yeah, no, I know like it's. I know Like it's one thing to attain the physique that you want, but it's another to maintain it. Maintaining it is just as hard, because you've got to eat a set amount of protein, you've got to work out X amount. X amount a day, x amount a week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sounds so sexy. When you said workout man, I thought you were gonna throw a little a in there yeah, you know what?
Speaker 2:we haven't promoted enough of because I'm gonna cut you off, because I'm gonna be like we're gonna have to do it a bunch of times for the next seven minutes. How do we listen to mindset? How do we get in touch just with all these videos, all this content? I mean, I know you because I social media stalk you, but how does the guests get to learn about the mind, body and soul?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so they can reach out to me at my email. It's on all my socials, so I'm predominantly on my youtube channel, at mine dash sep, and then on tiktok at mine dot sep, and, yeah, they can dm me on there or they can email me um my emails and I think both, yeah, youtube and tiktok channel. I'm posting instagram as well. I'm just not getting the same amount of growth, so it's just tiktok and youtube are my platforms and um yeah, and then another thing I'm super proud of, which we didn't touch on on this episode, but I can send you the details on it is like I'm a contributor for a mobile mental health platform called cadre. They're based out of minnesota. Um, I've interviewed the ceo, luke wenlett. Um, they've got about 32 contributors and I'm one of them. I think 32 or 33 of us who we post right, I do two lives a week Wealth Wisdom Wednesdays and Sunday Spark Sessions.
Speaker 3:Sunday Spark Sessions is about winning the week before the week even starts. And then Wealth Wisdom Wednesdays is like hump day talking about kind of financials and how to build more, how to feel more confident around talking about kind of financials and how to build more, how to feel more confident around talking about money, building wealth um just cause of my financial background. So, but it's an amazing platform. It's literally like mobile mental health in your pocket.
Speaker 2:You're going to laugh, man, a guy that loves listening to slightly stupid dirty heads reggae. When I hear the spark, spark I thought I thought you were talking about, like the sensi and you know, going to head shops and you're going to go to dispensaries and oh, spark session yeah yeah, dude, are you excited that um trudeau's uh dating katie perry?
Speaker 3:I saw that I laughed so hard. I was like, oh my god, what's going on?
Speaker 2:katie perry went from like orlando bloom to now like she's an ambassador. Dude she's. She's wearing like many hats, man she's gonna say wow, oh my god dude I love all those memes, man, yeah, but it's well deserved man. How the fuck can you say you are an astronaut when you don't?
Speaker 3:Dude come on. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting she went to space. I keep forgetting yeah dude.
Speaker 2:That's why all the memes. I'm Katy Perry and it's like yeah because I stayed at this.
Speaker 1:I'm this now yeah at this.
Speaker 2:I'm this now. Yeah, because all those stupid people. It's not because you're wealthy and dude, you went up into the atmosphere. Congratulations, man. You're not fucking Buzz Aldrin, you're not Neil Armstrong, man.
Speaker 3:I wish I would have commented hey, buzz Lightyear, how was the edge of space?
Speaker 2:Exactly, man, holy smokes man. But now you know your former leader there. You know he feels like he's a paper bag or whatever. Maybe he's a firework now. Dude, you have my booking link, so whenever I know you're busy, whenever you want to come back and you want to promote that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And you always have carte blanche. Yeah, I know the producer, it's myself, and this, this is a secret. There's people out there that I've interviewed four years ago, three years ago, two years ago and one year ago, and you know what? They're still waiting.
Speaker 3:I appreciate it. I appreciate you having me on the show. Omar, it's an honor. No dude, they're they've been taped.
Speaker 2:They're just waiting to be aired if the episode sucks, or you know the person's con.
Speaker 2:I said you can be on my show, but if you're going to be talking nonsense or if some guy's condescending because he's fucking evangelical, he's like a seven day evangelist and he wants to talk about Jesus and how everybody's beneath them, you know it's like that was a, a, a hoot. It's like yeah, dude, keep on. And the motherfucker does the episode like outside. So you know the bandwidth, you know it's cutting in and out. I guess Jesus Christ didn't want your episode to air, dude. Well, here, man, I have to cut it a hard cut, like in two minutes, because for secret everybody, I don't know how to do Calendly. So there's two times. So people book back to back and usually what happens, though, man, the second one's always like shit, man, usually it's like, oh my god, I'm fucking, I'm tired and I have to do the episode. You know I, I could talk to you over a beer man, like over a mall, totally that you know so. But when it's like a stranger and it's a topic, you're like oh my god maybe I should mentally prepare.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I hear you a quick question before we say goodbye man. Dude man, why should I listen? Why should I be a part of mindset man? You know what the world is fucked, you know? I just feel like I'm in my hamster wheel just going nowhere.
Speaker 3:Mindset helps you integrate this your brain, your body and then your soul. And then what's outside of us can't be changed until we change what's inside of us first, building and cultivating that inner peace. And that's what I help people do Through my content, through my brand.
Speaker 2:And Alex is relentless. I love him. I've had to go back to the workforce, so he's always like hey man, how about fucking Friday nights? I'm like fuck man. I just worked for some other asshole making that other guy's dreams happen temporarily. No man, but dude, thank you for being on and that's why I said I know you're a busy guy. Whenever you want to come back to promote, dude, I don't care if it's next week, well, we wouldn't put, we wouldn't schedule the episodes back to back.
Speaker 2:Whatever you want to promote and absolutely and you know you and I can talk about my anything. That's the beauty of it. Thank you for your time, mindset, download it, listen to it, subscribe to it, think about it. That kid that's afraid to know had the courage enough to be like I love your show, can, can I be a guest on? And plain and simple, that's one thing we learned. Stick out the offer. If you're going to cold call someone, stick out the offer. There's no time for pleasantries. I didn't ask Alex how was Canada? Does he like Molson? Is it cold? Because you know what he's a busy man. We're all busy. We don't need, we're all fucking inundated. It's like being a hot chick. You know how many times a hot chick gets. You know cyber stalked Enough. Learn how to sell. All right, brother.
Speaker 3:All right, omar, thanks so much. Have a great, have a great next episode of yours. What if it?
Speaker 1:did work. What if you took action and made it happen and started living inside of your purpose? What if it did work? Right now you can make the choice to never listen to that negative voice no more. The hardest prison to escape is our own mind. I was trapped inside that prison all for a long time. To make it happen, you gotta take action. Just imagine what if it did work.