What If It Did Work?
What If It Did Work?
From Heart Attack at 34 to Health Revolutionary: Dr. Stephen Hussey's Journey
What if everything you've been told about heart health is wrong? When Dr. Stephen Hussey suffered a heart attack at just 34 years old despite living a clean lifestyle, eating well, and staying physically active, he faced a startling realization: conventional wisdom about heart disease was deeply flawed.
Refusing to accept a lifetime of medications after being told he'd develop heart failure without them, Dr. Hussey embarked on a journey to understand the true nature of heart disease. What he discovered transformed not only his own health but the way he approaches heart health for his clients.
The cholesterol myth stands at the center of this medical misconception. Dr. Hussey traces its origins to cherry-picked research from the 1950s that gained momentum through pharmaceutical and food industry influence rather than sound science. The arbitrary lowering of "acceptable" cholesterol levels over decades wasn't driven by new research but by commercial interests that benefit from medicating more people.
Perhaps most fascinating is Dr. Hussey's exploration of structured water – the fourth phase of water that forms a protective gel-like barrier on artery walls. This structured water, primarily built through exposure to infrared light from the sun, creates a critical defense system for our cardiovascular health. Yet modern lifestyles keep us indoors 93% of the time, depriving us of this essential protection.
Throughout our conversation, Dr. Hussey emphasizes that understanding heart disease removes the fear that often drives poor medical decisions. Your body doesn't want to be sick – it's simply responding to the environment you've placed it in. By creating the right conditions through simple lifestyle adjustments rather than medication dependence, true healing becomes possible.
Ready to reclaim control of your heart health? Dr. Hussey's book "Understanding the Heart" and his 12-week heart health program provide the roadmap many have used to transform their cardiovascular wellness. Visit resourceyourhealth.com to learn more about his approach and take the first step toward heart health sovereignty.
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I never told no one that my whole life I've been holding back. Every time I load my gun up so I can shoot for the star, I hear a voice like who do you think?
Speaker 2:you are Alright, everybody. Another day, another doll. Another one of my favorite episodes, my favorite podcast and new season, season 5 with gotta say, this has got to be a very interesting story. Man, I'm super excited to have you here, stephen.
Speaker 2:Dr Stephen Hussey healed his own heart disease. Now he's redefining yours. He's the only man I know that reversed his own heart disease and now he's trying to be in service. He's trying to help others Suffered a heart attack at just 34. Despite a clean lifestyle, dr Stephen Hussey realized the mainstream approach to heart health was broken. Refusing meds, conventional advice, he turned to light, structured water, metabolic healing and fully recovered. Now he's a sought after speaker, health consultant and the author of the Understanding the Heart, known for making complex health science understandable and actionable. Dr Hussey is on a mission to expose the myths around cholesterol statins, conventional heart care and to empower people within the truth. Your body can heal itself when placed in the right environment. I don't know whether you know. I don't think there's anything random in life. You know, just turned 52. So maybe that's a sign. So welcome to the show, brother.
Speaker 3:Thanks for having me Happy to be here.
Speaker 2:Awesome man. So I got to say man, that was scary. I think, before reading your bio, before reading your notes from your publicist, I thought for sure it was going to be a story of you. Know, you lived this lifestyle of eating hot dogs and going to McDonald's and you had like a major heart attack. But, dude, you live clean, you weigh clean. Did you work out too? Oh yeah, oh, come on, man, but history of heart disease.
Speaker 3:No, I mean I'm type 1 diabetic, so that does predispose me. But I've been active my whole life. I always played sports. I mean I looked just like I do now before I had the heart attack. I've always looked like that and I've always like. Ever since college, I've always been very particular about what I eat. I was eating whole foods, but yeah, those things are not enough in my case, and I would argue they're not enough in most people's cases.
Speaker 2:So Now was there like warning signs like you had, like shortness of breath, like months, weeks, anything leading to it, or I mean a heart attack, is a heart attack.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, there was no warning signs, nothing I had like. All my markers on blood work looked good. Inflammatory markers were low. I actually had a CAC score, which is a measure of how much calcified plaque there is in the arteries of your heart, and it was a perfect score of zero. That was six months prior to the heart attack. So I think there's a lot of misconceptions about heart attacks in general, about heart disease really, and what we can actually do to prevent it, because obviously what I was doing was what most people would think you should do and it still didn't work.
Speaker 2:Now, did you have like an out-of-body experience? Did you see Jesus?
Speaker 3:No, I was awake the whole time. I was literally awake through the whole procedure, felt the pain the entire time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was conscious the whole time, so there was no, like fuck no ghost of Christmas, present, past, future, no I mean, the only real thing that I, the only real thing that I, that I, the only real thought that I had during the whole thing, was about like dying uh was uh I. I thought like, well, I was married at the time and I thought, well, we have life insurance, so at least she can pay for the house. You know, if something happened to me, that's the only thought I ever had. The entire process. The rest of the time, it was more like, okay, this really hurts, I gotta get this to stop. I got to get to the hospital and have them take care of it and then I got to figure out what to do after that. It was like this thing, like I just had to get through it, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no pun intended, but when I got divorced my heartache went away. For some odd reason I felt healthier, Less anxious. She hasn't listened, so it's okay, at least you're nice and you know oh man, so I got doctor, so I are you a chiropractor or okay, nothing.
Speaker 2:Hey, brother, I've been seeing chiropractors since I think, my first adjustment when I was like 16, 17, and the chiropractor never told me that he's going to adjust my neck, and I thought, you know, after watching chuck norris movies and sylvester salone rambo movies, I I jumped and you know he had to explain to me that he wasn't necessarily trying to kill me. Yeah, so, yeah, man, so, so then, a chiropractor, you're like sitting, your, your chest is like feeling heavy. You're feeling like, holy shit, my, my wife, I'm going to make a widow, she's going to have a house paid off. At least there's that. Now, were you ever like, damn you, conventional medicine? Because, because I know every everybody that that practices something else. Was that like your first thought? Like those motherfuckers I knew that I'm wrong I mean like nouckers, I knew they were wrong?
Speaker 3:I mean like no, because I wasn't listening to them before. I mean, I'm very aware and I have been most of my adult life of the shortcomings of Western medicine. I mean it's obviously not working. We're the sickest country in the world, despite spending the most on health care than any other country by far. So the methods we're using are obviously not working.
Speaker 3:For chronic disease Emergency medicine absolutely amazing. Best place to be is in a hospital if you're having a medical emergency. So, yeah, I was aware of the shortcomings of Western medicine. So, I mean, the hospital stay was quite frustrating because I was obviously pretty demoralized and upset that this happened and thinking like you know what the hell went wrong.
Speaker 3:But at the same time, I'm dealing with people who are coming in and telling me that I got to do this versus this. I got to take these medications the rest of my life. I got to eat this diet, which was a terrible diet, based on what they recommended, based on, like what the literature shows, and they were telling me things like you're going to develop heart failure without medications, you're going to have another heart attack if you don't take medications, and all these things that I feel are untrue and not founded in the literature and I was somewhat aware of that beforehand. But obviously I got something wrong so I had to go somewhat back to the drawing board and figure things out, and what I've learned since then flies in the face of what medicine recommends for the heart and heart disease, even more than I thought.
Speaker 2:And I mean I was naive because I used to believe in Western medicine. My ex-wife was a pharmaceutical sales rep. I'm a super sales rep. So when you know, I guess, watching all those shows as a kid and Doogie Houser, you're, you're like man, that doctor, he's your best friend. And then when she told me that you know a doctor will write unnecessary scripts because his buddy just took him out to dinner, or it was mind-blowing because I'm like no way, but it's, I mean I can tell you how many times I was misdiagnosed and I almost died. I, I was.
Speaker 2:I ran the new york city marathon with, um, blood clots and in my lungs. It was because I had, I had blood clots in my lower leg and they weren't. They were left untreated and they traveled. But you know, the, the doctor and the, the PA and all those other people like, oh, you, you know it's cellulitis, don't worry about it, here's some cream rub, rub it. So uh, I, so uh. I mean I, I, can they also misdiagnosed a hernia, they just, you know, I. So I, I get it completely.
Speaker 2:And I mean I, I, I'm not one to go every year, every six months, to get uh. I mean, yes, I, I get care through a chiropractor and eating clean, and because I know the first thing that they're going to do is because years ago I had high cholesterol, so I was eating like a pig. Yeah, high cholesterol, high cholesterol. So get this. Though I'm like the best shape of my life and I'm like man. This doctor Is going to tell me hey, man, congratulations, you don't have to do it anymore. And I'm sure you know what the doctor said. Right, it's like it looks good. It looks good, omar, but you're going to have to still be on the prescription and I'm like but why? I don't have a cholesterol issue anymore. These things are tricky. That's what I'm like, guys. I like this motherfucker, this thing.
Speaker 3:Things are tricky, yeah yeah, well, yeah, well, you know like.
Speaker 2:Common sense, wouldn't you be like, yeah, hey, congratulations man, yeah well, I actually posted about that today.
Speaker 3:You know there's a lot of people who go on low-carb diets and like whole food low-carb diets and they see all these changes. You know diabetes goes away, type 2 diabetes goes away. They lose weight, they gain energy, all this kind of stuff, and they're feeling the best they have in their life. And they go to the doctor and sometimes in some people their cholesterol goes up when you go on those low-carb diets. But there's no evidence that that's a bad thing, especially in the context of good metabolic health, like they're losing weight.
Speaker 3:But you have to think about it from this perspective of like your body is doing all these healthy things. It's making these healthy changes. You're seeing it physically in yourself and we've convinced ourself that this other number that goes up is a bad thing. Does that make sense? No, it doesn't. It doesn't make sense that your body is getting healthier but it's also doing something that's killing you. That also doing something that's killing you. That doesn't make sense. And it's because we've convinced ourselves with no real evidence, like as a society we've convinced ourselves that this number, this LDL number on a test, is going to create heart disease and there's absolutely no evidence for that and the whole backstory behind how that became a thing is quite fascinating. If you want to go through that, sure.
Speaker 2:But, dude, believe it or not, cholesterol is like one of those things. It's like a hot chick that pays on the first date. You might have heard something about it, but you really don't understand. But yeah, no, no, seriously, by all means.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So you know, in the early 1900s, coronary artery disease so heart disease, atherosclerosis in the arteries of the heart was very almost unheard of. There was no college of cardiology, there was no field of cardiology, there was no American Heart Association, because there was no need for it. Heart disease wasn't that big of a deal, and then sometime, like you know, late 40s, early 50s it started to become a big issue. It was growing in number, and President Eisenhower famously had a heart attack while serving as president, and it became this like on the nation's radar. You know, everybody was kind of freaking out about this new disease, and a scientist named Ansel Keys did some research at University of Minnesota, and he basically looked at different countries and how much saturated fat and cholesterol they ate in their diets, and compared that to how much heart disease they had, and so he found this correlation between the amount of saturated fat and cholesterol in the diets of people and how much heart disease there was. And the thing was, though, is that he cherry picked the data because at the time, there was data for that information from 22 different countries, and he picked the data because, at the time, there was data for those, that information um from 22 different countries and he picked the six countries. Uh, that gave him the correlation that he wanted. So he cherry picked it to make it look like that was the case.
Speaker 3:And that's just the first problem. The second problem is it's a it's associational type of research. So this associational research is is not something that you can draw conclusions from. You can't like I guess. The example I give is if you're standing on the sidewalk and you see a traffic jam in front of you, but you also see the sky is cloudy, you can't say the traffic jam caused the clouds or the clouds caused the traffic jam. You're just seeing them happening at the same time. There's association happening at the same time, but you can't say one's causing the other. And that's the type of research that he based this theory off of is basically looking at how much they ate in their diet and how much heart disease they have. But you can't say one causes the other. And there's actually five or six different studies that were done in the 60s and 70s, some by Ancel Keys himself, where they replaced saturated fat and cholesterol in people's diet with unsaturated fat and foods that don't have cholesterol, and the people who ate more unsaturated fat and no cholesterol had more heart disease and more all-cause mortality from everything.
Speaker 3:But by that time there was a lot of money behind the theory that cholesterol causes heart disease. The pharmaceutical industry wanted people to think that because they had a drug that could lower cholesterol and they make billions every year selling those drugs. The food industry also wanted people to think that because then you could convince people that animal foods are bad and to eat our processed carbohydrate foods, the cereals, the sugars, the vegetable oils, those types of things. So there was a lot of money from these industries behind this. And so by the time that research came out that showed that it wasn't the case, it had already taken off. We have that famous Time magazine issue with the bacon frowny face on it and everything. And oh, animal foods are bad, cholesterol is bad.
Speaker 3:And so in 1984, a committee came together to decide once and for all if cholesterol was good or bad for us, and that committee was very heavily influenced by big industries like the pharmaceutical industry and the food industry, and they decided that it was bad. There was such a thing as bad cholesterol, and at first they decided that your LDL level should be 250 or lower, and then, over the years the pharmaceutical companies pushed for the lowering of that recommendation. So over the years it became 200, and then 150, and then 100. And now generally they want it 100 or lower. But what does that mean? It means that we never knew what it should be from the beginning. We just picked a number and then over time there was no science that dictated we should lower this number. It was just that the pharmaceutical companies wanted to lower it because the lower the recommendation, the more people would need their drugs. And this is all very well documented in my book and in many other places as well. And so that's kind of the situation we got ourselves into.
Speaker 3:And now every medical student learns that cholesterol causes heart disease and you treat heart disease by lowering it with a statin drug. But when you look at the studies on statin drugs, there's probably 50 clinical trials. They use to say that statin drugs that lower cholesterol prevent heart disease and heart attacks. But what they do is they report them very inaccurately. They mess with the statistics a little bit. So as an example, there's this one trial called the ASCOT trial. And the ASCOT trial they took a treatment group and a control group. So one group took statins, the other group didn't and the group that took statins, 98.1% of people did not have a heart attack and in the control group, 97% of people did not have a heart attack. So it's a 1.1% difference.
Speaker 3:Technically, the statin group did 1% better, which is not statistically significant.
Speaker 3:You can't really draw conclusions from that.
Speaker 3:It has to be at least 5%. Even 5% is low. However, that's a 1.1% absolute risk reduction, but the studies report them as relative risk. So if you take that 1.1% and you compare it to the 3% that did have a heart attack in the control group, you get a 33% risk reduction and that's statistically irrelevant. It doesn't matter, clinically irrelevant to report it that way, but they do it that way to make it seem better than it actually is, and every single statin trial has been that way and there's published research showing, calling that out, saying that if you look at the absolute risk, statins don't work at all, Because cholesterol is not the cause of heart disease. It never was. It kind of got blamed. And the biggest problem with this whole story is it has been a giant distraction from the actual causes of heart disease, from people actually figuring out the true causes, and so now we're stuck here. People are just taking medications. Heart disease is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. And then the last piece is that the approach is obviously not working.
Speaker 2:Heart disease is still the number one killer in the world, uh, and it's still the most prevalent disease in the world, so this approach of trying to lower cholesterol is not working well, not only that, but if you think about it you just mentioned anybody that eats like a paleo or a high, like a very low carb strict diet so many names for at atkins the they'll, it'll be a knee jerk because you know they'll tell you.
Speaker 2:Oh well, you know, uncle sam says you need to limit your eggs. Yeah, you need to limit your, your steak, but overall, if you look look at the antiquated pyramid, they want you to friggin' carbo-load like on Kellogg's products for breakfast. And I mean every time I've ever done like a 75-day challenge or any time I've been strict and I've gone lose weight, feel better, or any time I've been strict and I've gone Lose weight, feel better, and I don't feel sluggish like what you said, when I'm not eating cereal, processed wheat breads, whatnot. But yet that's the same stuff that Uncle Sam and pretty much the doctor will tell you. Hey, man, you need to start going that way. You need to start limiting the things that can actually help you feel better, look better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and those guidelines that we see from from government institutions and academic institutions are heavily funded by the food industry. So they're they're literally influencing the guidelines in order to tell us to eat more of those foods so that they profit more, and one of the best books on that is Nina Teichold's book, the Big Fat Surprise. The TH Chan School of Public Health at Harvard takes millions and millions of dollars every year from the food industry. So their research is very, very biased and influenced by industry. And Marsha, angel or Angel, I can't remember she was editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine. She was an editor for 20 years and she was eventually the chief editor and she's come out and said that we can no longer believe like lots of the research is coming out because there's such an industry influence in it, um, that you know they're paying the scientists, uh, and they're paying the. They're funding the scientists research in in expectations that the scientists will find research.
Speaker 2:That's more like marketing for the industry uh, better, back then, even before our time, they'd, they'd'd still find scientists backed or doctors backed saying you know, smoke, smoke your Winston-Salem's and smoke your Marlboro's. You know, it doesn't. Anything can be skewed. And yeah, if you think about it, you're right. I mean, it's just common sense. If Kellogg's is dumping a crap ton of money in the billions, of course we're going to say, man, you need to eat it. It's amazing stuff. And it's funny because I read, just like maybe a year or two ago, that Dr Kellogg created cornflakes. Kellogg created cornflakes. He was like a real religious guy and he thought that it would cut women's libido. You know, just for all those hot and horny chicks out there, you know, just give them some Kellogg's, because it tastes great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that is the Seventh-day Adventist Church and I think her name was Mary White and then Harvey Kellogg was like her apprentice or something. He was a typist for her and they kind of started that whole story. And there's a doctor and his wife, gary Fetka, and his wife, have kind of done that research and looked up that history and show that that's the case, that that's what they were using those cereals for to to suppress sexual appetite.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's why it tastes great. So how long did it take you to recover?
Speaker 3:So at three months I did echocardiogram again and my heart had pretty much turned, returned to normal, which was going to happen anyways, like your heart's going to improve after a heart attack regardless. Um, but when I went in and got the echocardiogram, like it was, my ejection fraction was back to normal and the heart tissue that was damaged in the septum of the heart conducting normally again. Now there's some scar tissue in my heart still and that will probably be there unless I find some way to get rid of it. But my heart's functioning normally and it has been since.
Speaker 3:And the only medication I took was a blood thinner for six months because there was a stent in my heart now and I didn't and that was going to increase risk of colitis. I took a blood thinner for six months but I didn't take the other four medications. They wanted me to. But when I went in and got that normal test they were like, oh good, you must have decided to take your medications. And I was like actually, no, no, I didn't, and I'm not saying that other people should do that, that was just my personal choice. But the things they were telling me were not accurate, because I was able to do other things to allow my heart to recover without those medications.
Speaker 3:So yeah, so then it's one of those myths, because I've read that somewhere that once you had a heart attack, your heart had, no matter how minor there's damage and it'll never go back to being the normal, healthy part that you had pre heart attack I mean there's tissue damage for me, but that doesn't mean it can't function normally, uh, and if we put the heart in the right environment or put our bodies in the right environment that creates health, then I think that it can, and obviously that's been the case for me so far, which has been five years now, um and.
Speaker 3:But I do think that it takes some work, it takes some diligence and unfortunately there's many aspects of our modern way of life that interfere with our body's ability to stay healthy. Many things that we've brought in to create more convenience, or just new technologies and things that are making it harder for us to do that. Definitely the processed foods and things like that, but toxin exposures. So if you pay attention to the right things and you learn the right things, then yes, I think it's totally possible, but that's up to the individual.
Speaker 2:Now understanding the heart. Where do we get the book?
Speaker 3:It's on Amazon, it's also on my website or you could go to the publisher's website, which is Chelsea Green Publishing promote your website, Steven. Website is resourcerhealthcom.
Speaker 2:We'll say it again a couple of times anyways. So I always I'm always a believer that things don't happen to us, it happens for us. I've heard Ed Milet, heard many of other people say it and I mean, think about it this way yeah, you're healthy, but now you're more into service because you actually wrote this book that can help people. Help people, that I mean because I'm sure a lot of people are like they drink the Kool-Aid when it comes to statins and you know they listen to their doctor like if he's Moses or she's Moses with the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean you're right, I think at this point, you know, obviously, when it happened it was a little demoralizing, but it gave me the direction I was supposed to go in life.
Speaker 3:There's times that I even consider it a gift, almost that's something that happened to me and it pushed me in this direction.
Speaker 3:And you know, it didn't make sense why I had it.
Speaker 3:Like if you looked at me and you looked at my medical records and stuff aside from being type 1 diabetic, it doesn't make sense that this would happen to me.
Speaker 3:And so in that sense, it's like maybe it was given to me because there was something, there was some higher thing I'm supposed to do with it. Maybe I had the unique ability to make sense of it, to make sense of why it happened, and then figure out at least my truth about why it happened and how the heart actually functions, what actually causes heart disease. And now it almost feels like it's my responsibility to share that with others and to help other people, because I know there's going to be people, unfortunately, in the same situation that I was, in, receiving the same information that I was receiving. That, from my perspective and based on the literature, is a pathway right back to that hospital bed. And so unless they get different information, how are they supposed to make informed decisions? And so I've kind of taken it on myself to spread this information so that people get different information, so they can make better informed health decisions.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm like the when it comes to Western medicine. I'm like the most distrusted comes to western medicine, I'm like the most distrusted. So that definitely, um, I will pick up the book and I'll definitely read it, because I read I don't wear a tinfoil hat or anything, but you know, just sometimes common sense is something that we lack and that's why we'll listen to whatever. I mean. Look at corona, if you and I were standing up, somebody would tackle us because you know, oh, my god, we're, we're bandits or we're breaking the law. But if we sat down, like at a restaurant full of people, then it was okay. Or you know, and, and you know common sense, you know you, and I laugh because you, we have it.
Speaker 2:But a lot of people like that, saying sheep, like, oh, yeah, okay, I mean, if they said, stand on one leg when you're taking a piss, you won't get corona, everybody would be hopping on one leg just because the CDC or Uncle Sam or someone told him to do it. And that's how I picture Western medicine. And that's why, like you know, going to the doctors when I used to go, and they're like, oh, you lost all that weight and you know, oh well, it's because you know, I cut dairy, I cut.
Speaker 3:They're like what?
Speaker 2:And you're eating eggs and steak. Oh my gosh, you're going to be like dead in like nine months.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, and that's unfortunately the MO of lots of advice we get from medicine is fear-based. It's do this or else. And when you create fear in somebody, you shut down it's do this, do this or else. And when you create fear in somebody, you shut down decision-making, you shut down critical thinking, and so that's what it's based on. You know, I get clients now all the time that are just stuck in fear because they don't understand the disease. So half of what I do is I help them understand the disease. When you understand it, you gain control again. You know what to do going forward.
Speaker 3:And medicines, lots of medicine tactics are not like that, and even the most you know good, good natured doctor and a well-intentioned doctor may not have the right information to help people understand the disease. They're operating on fear because they've been trained that if your patients aren't on these medications they're going to die and then you'll be liable if they do and you didn't recommend the medication. So the whole system is very fear based rather than empowering and understanding and information based to give people back control and sovereignty in their health. You know.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it's just common sense too. I mean most doctors that are telling you to lose weight. I mean it's not like they look like Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was trying to. You know, mr Olympia.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, I mean look at the person who's telling you the advice. Do you want to take advice from that person or somebody else?
Speaker 2:Doc, you're going to like this one. It was, like you know, at the end of my relationship. So, you know, you go to the counselor, the marriage counselor, and the woman. You know she has all her shingles, all her certifications up, and then I I'm a slow learner, so, you know, third or fourth session. I'm like, so how many times have you been married? And she's like, well, you know, this is my third. And I'm like, well, if you're the expert, shouldn't she still be on number one?
Speaker 3:Right, potentially, or at least the second time, through to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, if you're a doctor and you have all your certs, it's like, and I tell people all the time I mean I'm know, you have all, you know, your all your search. It's like, and I tell people all the time I mean I'm Catholic, but I'm not going to go to my priest to ask him how to raise my kids, or you know how to be a, be a husband, when the man's never done either. But that's how, that's how we base things and that's why I laugh, because you know, every time I've ever you know, the doctor's like oh yeah, well, you know, and it's never. I can only imagine now it's like well, you want Munger now?
Speaker 3:That's the new thing now? Yeah, it's the GLP ones for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it works great. Have you heard of peptides? Yeah, they've been fucking around forever, dude, but please talk to me about peptides.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, you know, and that's the tool they have. You know, that's the tool they think that prevents disease. They don't know much about nutrition or lifestyle or anything like that. Oh, man.
Speaker 2:That's why, literally, like you know, just hey, we all judge based on appearance. You look fit, you look great. So I'm going to read this book over. Usually, you know the doctor that looks like he was once a contestant on the Biggest Loser and he's like sweating up a storm. And it's like, dude, why are you sweating up a storm? The AC is like 60 degrees in here, but yeah, so what I got to ask too, man, because I keep on reading it and reading it, and reading it, because, man, I've heard of everything, but what is structured water?
Speaker 3:Yeah, everything. But what is structured water? Yeah Well, I mean, basically it's this idea that has been discovered or seen over the last hundred years or so by many different scientists that water exists in a fourth phase. We all know that water looks like. It can be ice, it can be water, it can be steam. But there's actually a fourth state that can exist in, and this state is more like a gel, so you can think of it like the consistency of raw egg white or jello.
Speaker 3:But most of the water in our bodies is this structured water, gel-like state, which is why, you know, I can take tissue in my forearm, move it around. It feels like a gel, it bounces right back. And so there's also liquid water in the body too. Obviously, there's liquid water in the blood and the lymphatic fluid and the cerebral spinal fluid, but most of the water in the body is in this gel state. And you know, we've kind of thought of water as this kind of inert um, you know, solvent or that that biochemistry happens in, um, you know. But it's it's not that it actually plays a very active role in our physiology. It may sometimes I even think it's probably the most important, plays the most important roles in our physiology, um, and maintaining the structured water and the health of it is really important for, especially, the vascular system, but even for cellular health and everything. So, um, but what structured water is is like when water holds energy. Uh, which water has, is is a liquid that has a unique capacity to do that hold energy, um, especially solar energy Um, and it gets next to a water loving surface. So any biological surface is hydrophilic or water loving, but it gets next to it it actually becomes a gel like state. So the way it does that is, water is, uh, an oxygen and two hydens and it cleaves off one of the hydrogens and the other oxygen and hydrogens team up with other cleaved-off oxygens and hydrogens and they form this lattice-like structure that's kind of bound together. It's not like individual water molecules moving around, it's kind of bound together and it forms these planar-like sheets on top of the hydrophilic surface. So it kind of grows this gel-like surface sheets on top of the hydrophilic surface. So it kind of grows this gel-like surface and they've shown that it holds a very negative charge. So it holds a voltage of negative charge. They've shown that in the arteries it creates fluid flow like blood flow. They've shown that it protects the lining of the arteries. It's a frictionless surface so that things can slide past it very well.
Speaker 3:But we also see structured water in everyday life. So structured water is what creates a very slippery surface. So we've all had the experience where we grab an ice cube out of the freezer and it sticks to our hand. At first it sticks to our skin because it's ice, it sticks to us, but as soon as it starts to melt and the water starts to become structured water on your finger and on the ice, then it becomes slippery and it slips right out of our hands because structured water is forming there. And there's a really good book called the Fourth Phase of Water, written by Dr Gerald Pollack, that you get a lot of information about structured water. But there's many scientists over the years that have come across this and they've called it different things. So it's called exclusion zone water or bound water or fourth phase water. But it's very, very important for our physiology and it's very important to understand when it comes to preventing disease.
Speaker 2:And it protects your arteries too.
Speaker 3:Exactly, yeah, so it's like structured water. They call it exclusion zone water because it doesn't allow anything to penetrate or almost anything. Very small hydrated ions of minerals can get through it, but everything else cannot. So when it forms on the lining of the arteries which they've shown and proven that it does it performs this barrier that nothing can touch. So now it's protecting the artery from anything that might be damaging the lining of the artery, from anything that might be damaging the lining of the artery.
Speaker 3:And the main thing that builds structured water is infrared light, which makes sense because all life is supposed to be outside and the sun is giving off 40 to 50% infrared light at all times. And so if you take a species like humans out of infrared light because the studies show today that 93% of people spend, or the average person spends 93% of their time either indoors or in an enclosed vehicle away from infrared light then you're depriving their body of this energy source that helps them build structured water in it. So without that structured water, you don't have as much or as good a protection on the lining of the arteries. Then things that we encounter in our life, like toxin exposures and toxins in foods and heavy metals and things like that. Now they can become more damaging, they can damage the lining of the artery and then the response of the body in that situation is the development of plaque in the artery wall, not on the lining of the artery but in the artery wall itself.
Speaker 3:And then the third issue is that we've also created a situation as many aspects of our modern life that interfere with our body's ability to heal, because we're supposed to be able to heal. The body's pretty amazing at healing. We just have put things in the way of a healing and if you undermine the body's ability to heal something, then that plaque that develops is going to stick around. So we remove the infrared light, we added the things that damage the arteries and we remove the body's ability to heal. And that's what society has done over the past 80 to 100 years when we've seen this rise in heart disease. So it kind of correlates directly and it has very little to do with the amount of fat you eat in your diet or anything like that, or testing your cholesterol levels, those things. That strategy is not working. Obviously we have to think of something different levels, those things that strategy is not working.
Speaker 2:Obviously, we have to think of something different. So just a simple being out 30 minutes a day, sunlight.
Speaker 3:Well, I think about it you know it's hard to give you like a time frame recommendation, but yeah, I mean, 30 minutes would definitely be better than nothing. But if you think about it, all life on the planet is outside and infrared all day long, Um and so, and we would be too if we hadn't invented indoor living, where we've been, a large part of our time would have been outside and so, um, even if you're sitting in the shade, there's infrared light reflecting off the glass or grass and trees and stuff and hitting your body. So, um, just be outside as often as you can. If you think like you're doing something, literally anything.
Speaker 2:Can I do this outside is a good question and that's so funny because it's so simple, but yet because usually any anybody that's into health, into fitness, one of the things that it does say is, hey, go outside, at least you know 10 minutes, get some sunshine. And you know, most people just think, well, you know, that's got to be like the woo-woo aspect.
Speaker 3:Well, they think like people think like well, those are people who are just really upset with being healthy, right, they think that that's what it's about for them. They just want to be the healthiest and fittest they can be, and that's what it is. But they don't necessarily believe that it could be preventative of disease, like there's a reason we have disease and it's because our lives have changed so much as a species where, you know, we're depriving ourselves of sunlight, living indoors, we're exposed to many more toxins, we're disrupting our circadian rhythm, we're not moving as much as we are like, and all these things are creating disease, whereas medicine's kind of programmed us to think well, even if you did all those things, you could still get disease, because you know your genes will just give you a disease. And that's a very profitable mentality for Western medicine to have, because it makes you rely on them rather than empowering you to make the changes you know, and everybody's got a kind of a different genetic profile, so everybody's got different predispositions to certain diseases or whatever.
Speaker 3:But whether or not those diseases express themselves is entirely dependent on the environment your body's in. There's no gene that at least chronic disease anyways. There's no gene that triggers, says you're going to get disease. There's some diseases that you're born with, like Tay-Sachs disease or sickle cell anemia, things like that, that are truly genetic. But most of the other ones are things the way your genes have to be triggered by your environment. They're not programmed to give it to you. So if you change your environment, you can change your health outcomes, and medicine doesn't want us to believe that. They want us to think that you just wait until you get sick and what you do in your life doesn't matter, and then you give your medications and do procedures and stuff to help you, and that's how it goes.
Speaker 2:They would tell you man, you're such a forward thinker, Lifestyle changing instead of taking a pill.
Speaker 3:That's insane man, yeah, well, it works.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think I'd rather do the lifestyle change and do it gradually than just one day go, oh shit. And then you know they're, they're writing that all they're thinking of is like man, my, my buddy is going to be so excited and so happy for me, my, my, my pharma rep, and he's writing script after script and he's like you know, the worst case is like when you see like people and it's not just old people, that's the biggest misconception the ones that have like the monday through friday, but it's not really just monday through friday, it could be one day and it's not vitamins, it's not supplements, it's literally just pills, quote-unquote preventative pills or or whatever it is that a doctor writes a script for. And you know they're popping them into their mouth like out of a PEZ dispenser.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's crazy to think that that's the philosophy. You know, like medication or disease and medication deficiency, and in my opinion, you know if we're talking, whether we're talking about herbal medications and plant medicines or we're talking about pharmaceutical medications. Like, I'm not saying there's never any place for these things, but the goal should be to use them to have a short term desired effect for something, while you make it so that you don't need them anymore, because any medication or any even plant medication taken long term can create, you know, unwanted side effects because you're changing your, you're giving yourself something that's going to change one biochemical pathway and that's going to have downstream effects, and the side effects associated with cholesterol-lowering medications are many and yeah, so it's just we have to be aware of that kind of stuff. It always should be about lifestyle first and even if you do need some sort of medication or even supplement to give you a short-term desired effect, you want to be working on creating an environment where you don't need that anymore, and that's kind of something you have to work toward.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know why people want to be popping on these meds when you look at any commercial, for you know the side effects or like 80, 80% of the commercial. And the worst is like, yeah, you know, if you're depressed, take this. Oh, by the way, it causes suicidal thoughts. And it's like, yeah, but I'm depressed and you're telling me to take this, so I might still off myself because it's giving me suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 3:Or it's like there's somebody like smiling and having a good time with the family and they're listing off the side effects, like oh, you could have severe diarrhea and liver damage and all this stuff and you're just like, and the guy's like yeah, they're either like on a date or you know, they're at a carnival like a fair or something like that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Smiling and having a great time.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and run and go ask your doctor if you have you might have restless leg syndrome but the crazy thing is is that I guess it works because they keep putting the ads out there it does because it says at the end ask your doctor if you need this, yeah. And then they incentivize the doctors, which lots of people deny that that happens, but it's very clear that doctors get kickbacks if they prescribe so many of a certain drug or things that they meet their quota.
Speaker 2:I've seen it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, 100%, man, I was at some of those dinners, or you know. I mean it's human nature. I mean, if I was one and somebody's like, well, you know, here we're going to take you fishing, or you know, we're going to take you somewhere, cool, yeah, man, it's. You know, any, it's just the way. You know, power corrupts, Of course somebody's going to be like, yeah, yeah, for sure, or you know, I just, or you know, and then we'll lie to the doctor lies to himself. Well, you know, this isn't hurting anybody. The person probably needs it. It's giving years. I know that's what doctors will always say I just want you to be healthy, I just want you alive so I can prescribe you more meds.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, and then it's all just like their continuing education is all funded by pharmaceutical industries and they're like they're come in, like the pharmaceutical reps come in and they teach them about the new drugs, and so it's just like their lives are inundated by that.
Speaker 3:They think that everything is drugs and they and they have to see so many patients. They have so little time with patients. It's like when do have time to actually do the work and actually see the truth? You know that this system has kind of bought and paid for them and some doctors do find their way out, but that's the system we work in and all we can be is educated consumers. We have to know that that's the way that system works so that when we go and we use that system, we can kind of make our own decisions and not fall for this fear-based thinking of you have to take this or you're going to die, like maybe there's a different way and it's your decision if you want to do that way or not. And that's another important thing to illustrate is that these are your decisions. They're not your doctor's decision, they're not your spouse's decision. They're your decision if you want to do something regarding your health. And we still have control over that at this point and you can do that.
Speaker 2:Now the book understanding the heart. Now is this a guide for everybody? Like, hey man, I don't have a history, I don't have any, but let let me make sure. So like that guy, so I, I, don't ever have to have a heart attack. Or or is this like, hey man, you're borderline. Like who should read this Everybody?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I mean, I don't think there's anybody in this world that hasn't been touched by this disease maybe not personally, but you know a loved one or somebody, and so, yes, it's relevant to everybody.
Speaker 3:But it's basically my quest to understand the heart, its true function and purpose in the body, and what happens when it gets diseased and how do we prevent that.
Speaker 3:Because when you understand it, you understand how to prevent it, and so you know the thing is is that when you start looking into health, you realize that you know there thing is is that when you start looking into health, you realize that you know there's no like one specific treatment for each disease.
Speaker 3:Like, oh, if you have this disease, it's not important really to have the diagnosis all the time. Sometimes it is, but not all the time, because most of the time you put the body in the right environment and your body doesn't want to be sick. It's just doing the best it can with the environment it has. So you change the environment, it'll get better, whether that's a thyroid issue or heart disease or asthma or whatever it may be Like, we have to give your body better signals, and so the recommendations in the book about like when you understand what causes heart disease. The recommendations to put yourself in the best situation to prevent it are also going to help you prevent every disease and just be healthy in general. So, yeah, everyone could benefit from this book if you take it from that perspective, but especially those interested in or have been affected by heart disease.
Speaker 2:Understanding the Heart, available not only on Amazon. And yeah, you can do it on the publisher's website. But what's the best website to buy it, doc?
Speaker 3:Probably Amazon. You'll get it the quickest. I hear you.
Speaker 2:Spoken like a. Ain't that the truth, now, before we started? You also say you help people. Now, do you do like seminars or is it more like one-on-one?
Speaker 3:So I have a 12-week like heart health program. So I was doing one-on-one for a long time and I realized that I was basically giving people a ton of information like a fire hose and like an hour consultation and it wasn't really sitting like I weren't able to grasp it completely and what they should do. So I developed a 12-week heart health program where I can teach this. People can understand it, because when you understand it, you'll keep doing it. It also gives you that control back when you understand it. So, yeah, I coach people through this program and that's kind of how I'm working with people. Now People can find that on my website, which is again resourceyourhealthcom.
Speaker 2:Okay, so ultimately, I see you're trying to give people back their lives extend their lives.
Speaker 1:Ultimately yeah.
Speaker 3:For a while I thought that I was helping them with heart disease. I thought that's all I was doing was helping them understand heart disease, but then I realized that, yes, I'm giving people their lives back because they get to a place where medicine is not giving them the answers they want. They're skeptical of it, just like you and I, and they go there and they're not getting the treatments they want. But they don't know what to do. And then they're in fear. They don't know what to do. They're scared of this disease and what I'm doing is helping them understand it and how to move forward and give them guidance on how to do that so they can move forward in life confident that they're going to reduce their risk of heart disease the greatest that they can.
Speaker 2:A lot of naysayers. I know that, which I know. You have a good fight Now. All your family on board, close friends, or do you have a lot that are like no, I, I trust the science.
Speaker 3:I trust the science um, immediate family, absolutely everybody's on board. Um, everybody knows that. That, uh, that what I'm talking about is true, because they saw me live it, they saw me do it myself, um, they saw me heal it myself and I have the testing to show it. So, yeah, extended family I don't know about all of them, but yes, many of them are very interested and they're following my journey and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, but I'm sure there must have been like a knee-jerk reaction right after the heart attack and you were telling your family I'm not going to take the meds.
Speaker 3:At this point in my life, they know that I'm making my own decisions about my health.
Speaker 2:But I'm sure they're like oh gosh, please be right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, sure, I mean, that's the case, that's the case at any time you know, but my family is very supportive, my immediate family especially, and many in my extended family as well all very supportive. But they also understand because that's the type of person that I am that, when it comes to my health, like no one's looked into it more than I have, especially them. They know that, so I'm going to make the best decision for me, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So, overall, what would you like to see? Let's say, five years? Would you like to see more people following your book Understanding the Heart than anything following your book Understanding the Heart than anything? Absolutely, but I guess more than anything.
Speaker 3:I want people to understand what I know, however they learn it, whether they listen to me on a podcast or whether they read the book or they do my program. I want people to understand what I know because when you understand it, it gives you back your freedom. I want to see that I have so many people come to me just in fear, because that's what medicine has done to them.
Speaker 2:They make them scared of this rather than empowering them, and that's what I want to see For sure. I mean, think about it Like I said, this had to happen to you, because if not you know, going out on weekends, living, living your life, living for yourself.
Speaker 2:And then you know the ghost of Christmas future visited you. And then you know you, you change you, you change the trajectory of a lot of things, not just your life, but just think of every person that follows your advice, or every person that listens to you on a podcast or sees you on stage, or you, just that person that bought, because, okay, one person buys the book, but they know someone else that that has heart issues or family issues with heart problems, and they give them the, the book. So you know, the thing is, you know you start small, just like any movement. You just want to change for one person, and then the second person, then three people and then four people. So, yeah, what I see is is, years from now, probably like your second, third, fourth time being on the show, you'd be like, yeah, man, you know we, you know my, my third, my fourth, fifth book, and you know cause, dude, you'll be more well-respected, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean my. My goal is to change the conversation about heart disease.
Speaker 2:If I have to do it one person at a time, then I'll do it. You and Dr Jody, you guys are going to be like the two forefront runners and they're like. But you guys like with modern medicine I'm sure you've heard this you guys are chiropractors yeah, and I say and I hear it you guys are doctors. That's code for you. Didn't pay all that money to go to medical school.
Speaker 3:It's code for. I don't have an argument, so I'm going to attack your credential. That's what it's code for.
Speaker 2:Of course, that's always Whenever you're like well, my chiropractor said, and they're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's when they're like he's a chiropractor. Yeah, now I hear you, man. It's very refreshing dude and you're very personable. When I was looking at everything, I'm like, oh my gosh man, I thought you're gonna like I'm an arts and science guy, horrible at math and sciences and stuff like that, so I thought you're gonna have me glossed over just before we started talking about how how to um prevent heart disease and what statins are and what cholesterol and the LDL and the HDL Dude. I remember all those years and the doctor was like the LDL and the HDL and you know they spew it all really fast. Really, it's trying to gloss you over.
Speaker 3:Trying to complicate things enough so that people don't understand. So they have to go to you for answers, yeah, whereas if you simplify it and you actually understand it, it's actually quite. Anybody can launch their way into it.
Speaker 2:Every time I it could have been the PA, it could have been the doctor. I've gone to multiple doctors. Whenever it comes to that, they're like, well, the LDL and the HDL, and you know this level and that. And you're like, holy shit, what the hell are you? You know this level not. And you're like holy shit, what the hell you? You know you go there and you're like, oh man, this guy knows his stuff. Whatever, whatever you tell here, man, I put me on whatever it is. Man, put me on plavix, put me on. You know, I have a thyroid condition. Give me synthroid, give me this, give me that man, you know it, you're the doctor. But also it's our fault too, because people stereotype from watching all these shows on tv and movies is like you know, the doctor is the hero, the doctor's the guy that's like, oh man, I haven't. I've been working for 72 hours straight. I know I should have taken a day off, but my, my duty is here for the hospital.
Speaker 3:I don't know about you, but I don't want somebody working on me who's been working for several years Exactly. Not at all, but yeah, they do glorify that profession and the doctors. I think they're geniuses and they'll figure everything out. Well, guess what? Doctors don't know everything about medicine, and they definitely don't know everything about health and physiology, and they're just taught one way of thinking about it, and that's what they're taught in medical school. So there are different ways and there are different opinions, and we should seek them out.
Speaker 2:Well, I hear I can talk to you on and on, but our time is short. Time flies when you're having fun. Last question what do you have to tell the person? Man, I feel defeated dog, I'm having shortness of breath and the doctor says I'm going to have to go to the cardiologist. They want to run exams on me and it looks bleak. They even told me, man, either I I'm gonna have to do some major surgery or I'm just gonna go. You know, I don't know. Man, I'm just really worried.
Speaker 3:After speaking to my my primary care doctor, I tell them, seek out information like do the work, investigate it, and that's what I'm trying to make it easy for people to access, because it is hard. You go out there and you see all those different opinions and all this stuff and it's really hard to figure out what to do or know what to do. And that's why the shameless plug, that's why I made my 12-week program is because I outlined exactly what I had to learn to get myself to the point where I wasn't worried about these things anymore. It's basically what I had to do for myself and I want to just share that with other people. But if you're in that state and you feel like you don't know what to do and you're living in fear, like you've got to learn, and when you learn, you understand, and when you understand it takes away your fear, because it gives you your power back, and that's the most important thing to do in that situation.
Speaker 3:Find out more, resource your health now classes all the time, or people can book a call with me and I'll go through with them and we'll see if it's a good fit and and that kind of stuff, and then, yeah, they can, they can go into the, into the program perfect, so resource your health.
Speaker 2:Now can they find you on social media, LinkedIn, anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm on Instagram and Facebook and X, just Dr Stephen Hussey. Dr Stephen Hussey.
Speaker 2:Thanks, brother. Thanks for the time. I'm definitely, you know I'm a naysayer, free thinker, so you definitely think about people. Stephen Hussey, 34, survives a heart attack. And, dude, who wants to be popping pills left and right, man, there's a number on your body. Stephen Hussey has a way to reverse that heart disease in a more sound way than the professionals. Quote unquote. All righty, brother, thank you for the time, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks for having me on that negative voice. No more. The hardest prison to escape is our own mind. I was trapped inside that prison all for a long time. To make it happen, you gotta take action. Just imagine what if it did work.