Conscious Wealth, Not Endless Grind

What if your net worth stopped running your life and started serving it? That’s the question we press into with wealth advisor and healer Christopher Mackin, who went from thriving in high finance to realizing that money without meaning drains your health, your joy, and your relationships. He shares how burnout forced a reset, how inner work sharpened his compass, and why he sees money as energy that can amplify either fear or generosity.

We get honest about the hustle. Christopher explains how he shifted from endless doing to a rhythm where being fuels action, and why serving fewer clients more deeply created outsized results. He unpacks the beliefs many of us inherit—love expressed as gifts, safety tied to earning, worth measured by status—and shows how those scripts shape every decision. You’ll hear why he treats social media like a public service, offering simple, practical guidance instead of noise, and how a message during a silent retreat led him to write a book designed to scale impact beyond the boardroom.

Expect practical moves as well as mindset shifts: start giving now in ways that fit your reality, redesign your calendar to protect presence, and treat money as a multiplier for what you value most. We also explore spiritual tools—from Reiki to human design—not as dogma but as experiments that help you access clarity and confidence. If you’ve ever hit your goals and still felt empty, this conversation offers a grounded path toward conscious wealth: a life built on purpose, peace, and prosperity working together.

If this resonates, follow Christopher at ChristopherMackin.co and I Am Christopher Mackin on Instagram. Subscribe, share this with a friend who’s caught in the grind, and leave a quick review to help more people find the show. Your next step toward aligned success starts now.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Opening, Guest Intro, Setting Theme
• 1:02 South Florida Hustle And The Void
• 3:24 Redefining Hustle: Being And Doing
• 5:28 Unhappy With Success: Health Wake-Up
• 6:23 Therapy, Coaching, Retreats, Inner Work
• 8:12 Money As Shackles And Freedom
• 10:21 Sales Ethics, Service, And Focus
• 11:35 Fewer Clients, Deeper Impact
• 12:33 Silent Retreat And The Book Download
• 14:15 Impact At Scale: Social And Writing
• 15:32 Using Social Media To Add Value
• 17:05 Cutting Negativity And Raising Vibes
• 18:20 Money Stories From Childhood
• 21:06 Love, Gifts, And Scarcity Beliefs
• 22:40 Expanding Money Mindsets
• 24:08 Happiness Versus Wealth Around The World
• 25:42 Money As Power And Neutral Energy
• 27:17 Amplifier Effect Of Wealth
• 28:43 Philanthropy Now, Not Later
• 30:05 Service, Time, And Everyday Giving
• 31:47 Presence Versus Performance Altruism
• 33:14 Book Timing And Ways To Follow
• 34:10 Defining Conscious Wealth
• 35:20 Systems Shifting: Money And Education
• 36:35 Well-Being Over Accumulation
• 37:40 Many Paths To Success
• 39:07 Failure, Flow, And Confidence
• 41:15 Wealth, Isolation, And Relationships
• 43:05 Reiki, Healing, And Energy Practice
• 45:32 Mediums, Sedona, And Spiritual Tools
• 48:05 Human Design And Experimenting
• 50:20 Closing Gratitude And Where To Connect

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:01

I never don't know what that my whole life. I've been holding back every time I don't fucking do for the stall. I hear a point.

unknown: 0:11

Thank you all.

SPEAKER_04: 0:12

All right, everybody. Another day, another dollar, another one of my favorite episodes of my favorite podcast, because I'm biased. What if it did work with me? Today's this week's guest, Christopher Mackin. He's a wealth advisor, he's a healer, thought leader. It helps entrepreneurs, leaders reimagine success. Not as endless hustle, because that's all when it comes to entrepreneurs, all we think about is the hustle and the grind, but is alignment between purpose, peace, and prosperity. How's it going, Christopher? Welcome.

SPEAKER_03: 0:49

Just another day in paradise.

SPEAKER_04: 0:52

So okay, man. We spoke earlier, right before we started. Technically, South Florida, man, when it comes to wealth, there is an abundance of it, but there's also that work-life balance, or the it seems like everybody has the hustle, just really for just to fill either a void or a lot of times just confidence or lack of happiness. I mean, I being an entrepreneur for 20 years, it's I kept on thinking I was gonna fill a void, like God was gonna give me happiness if I became uh such and such after each amount, and never did that. So that I mean, you you are at ground zero of all places to you know, South Florida, New York, LA, you know, being being presents, just like something that you know, we all think about since the holidays were coming, about buying presence instead of being present.

SPEAKER_03: 2:02

Indeed, indeed. I've actually transitioned. Uh well, first of all, it's it's great to be here. Thank you for hosting me, Almar. Yeah, over the years I've transitioned from buying a lot of presents to now we pick one family member to buy a present for.

SPEAKER_04: 2:29

Now are you uh are you from South Florida originally or transplant like most?

SPEAKER_03: 2:35

I'm originally from New Jersey, did a stint in New York, uh, was doing was going between New York and Florida for for many years, and uh now based uh between Costa Rica, Florida, and and New Jersey.

SPEAKER_04: 2:50

Oh, Costa Rica. Uh never been to plenty of Central and South America, but I do know a lot of expats love love Costa Rica just or Vita. Yeah, exactly, man. Definitely a place where you can unwind. Uh my ex-father-in-law wanted uh sort of retired there.

SPEAKER_03: 3:12

It's a great place to be. I feel at home there. It's uh I I really enjoy time in nature, and there's an abundance of it there.

SPEAKER_04: 3:24

Now, were you always like I what brought you to uh just uh knowing because a lot of times we don't we pretend we don't know, but what what got you into this being that uh I know you just from your your bio right there, New Jersey, New York, uh there was the hustle, there was the chasing money, materialism, the excess. Like what was that pivotal moment? What what was it that got you to go, hey man, you know what? There's you know, Madison says Madison Avenue says we need all this, but there's more to life than that.

SPEAKER_03: 4:07

Yeah, well, let me be very clear that the hustle hasn't stopped, it's just a different energy to the hustle, and I think a little bit more mindfulness and awareness around the balance between the doing and the being. And for me, like when I when I when I first got my place in New York, uh at the time I was living in Jersey, in northern Jersey, and in Hoboken, and I've been in in the world of of finance for for several years already. And I was making good money, I was doing something I loved. I I basically, you know, for for a living, I'm a financial advisor, wealth manager, and I help people make smart decisions about their money, right? People come in my office, they transform their relationship with money over time. And it's a such, it feels like such a gift to uh support people in that process because uh what what I what I feel is that there's often this like tie, it almost feels like shackles, right? That that money holds people down from really living their authenticity, uh living the life the way that they want to live. And yeah, so at any rate, I was doing something I love. I'm making good money, I'm having the time of my life, and I was still unhappy. So I'm like, what the heck is going on here? You know, I was giving back, I was doing some a lot of community service work, and you know, the what I realized over time was that I wasn't taking care of myself. You know, my cup was empty. I was hustling, grinding. You know, the mindset that I have was the harder you work, the more money you're gonna make. And, you know, this were in growth mode, expansion. Here we go. And yeah, my physical health was deteriorating, my mental health was terrible, uh, my spiritual health was non-existent, and my emotional health was so so. And what I did was I eventually I started off seeing a therapist, and it didn't work. I really didn't enjoy that process. So I wound up signing up for a coaching container, working with uh a variety of different coaching groups, and then got into retreats and doing a lot of inner work, right? So the more excavation I did internally, the more I was able to free up things that weren't serving me, one, and be and two really start to think differently about how much I thought I could control or should control of what I'm doing in life, and to kind of take a step back energetically and uh show up more in service of myself so that I can show up more in service to the world.

SPEAKER_04: 7:20

Wow. Yeah, I was a financial advisor for years and it the one thing too though with being in sales, uh you uh it it the the one thing that got to me was you're supposed to treat uh everybody uh the same, uh but when it comes to commission, something when somebody's dollar cost averaging and only putting a couple hundred dollars, five hundred dollars a month, that's the world to them. But then at times, you know, well, that's not paying you. And you always you focus, even though when you're in service in any area, uh in every aspect, it's like you know, God, the universe, we're all God's creatures. Uh it's like, but you you you human nature you gravitate towards well, you know, that guy's got the money to you know, the the big CD's coming due, or you know, he's gonna do a rollover, or he knows this and that. And and that was that was the one thing when I got I got out of it years ago and you know went into becoming an entrepreneur, and it was that was just one of those things though. And whenever people are in sales, it uh it's always good to just sometimes say, Hey, you know, I want to help. I want to help out other everybody, and you know, if you think about the Gandhi, Jesus, everybody. All these enlightened people, they weren't like, well, you know, can I if I help this person, will it push me towards my goal or towards something? Instead, it's just just do.

SPEAKER_03: 9:14

Yeah, well, I I would say I can't help everyone. No, I I know that's so so the the approach that I've taken is that is picking my lane, right? Okay, my lane is that I actually uh work with a small amount of clients. So there's many financial advisors that I know that have several hundred, if not you know, thousand clients. Um, their level of service, they're not treating everyone the same. There's no chance. Um now my approach is that you know I personally only work with about 20 or so clients now. Um my uh sister or partner's in a business, she uh manages about a hundred of our client relationships. And yeah, we're we're not in the business of of serving everyone uh with our wealth management practice. Now it's not to say that I can't create impact in a variety of different ways, it's just like who I work with on a one-on-one basis is different. So, you know, for example, one of the things that I was called to do recently um was uh write a book. And I don't know, you know, I I I've never written anything longer than a two-page investor update in my entire career as an advisor for 20 years. But um, I was in a 10-day silent meditation retreat in India, and the second day I was uh lying in bed on my piece of plywood, um staring up at the ceiling, contemplating what I was doing there and feeling all of the pain from meditating for 20 hours and mentally, physically, emotionally, just in a weird spot. And I just got this, you know, clear message to write a book, whether you want to call it a download, guidance from source, whatever it is, depending on the woo scale that you're on. Um and it was just an inner note, like it was the clearest message I've had in my entire life. And I just took that message and I was like, okay, it's strong enough where I know I need to take action. And the message I received was that you know, you writing the book will build what you're meant to build. And um what that is, I don't know. Um, but I know that already the people that um have touched the book or seen the book or read it, um, and it's getting it's going to be getting published in the next couple months will um have already been impacted. So for me, being able to impact you know hundreds, if not thousands or millions of lives uh through message and people feeling you know the energy that I put into that work, I mean, that's also a way to service the the world, right?

SPEAKER_04: 12:11

Well, what you do through you do it, you service almost 20,000 people on Instagram. That's information. That's you know, while most people are on TikTok or you know, posting pictures of their hot dog that they ate or a dance or whatnot, you give out free information. So that's that's not definitely not scarcity. That's clearly being an abundant, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 12:36

You know, it it it's a it's a um it's something new for me.

SPEAKER_02: 12:41

I a couple years ago, my Insta. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03: 12:48

I just like one day woke up and it was deactivated, and I wasn't posting anything other than things about my personal life. So I took about a year off, and what I decided to do was when I got back on, was that I was just gonna share things that are valuable for people to receive. You know, I have a completely different relationship now with social media than I ever did before, in that, you know, my belief is that if someone's on there, I want them to receive something that's gonna add to their day, not take away, not detract energy. Right. So if I can share little nuggets that um help people in in a in a in a positive light, um, that's a great platform to do it.

SPEAKER_04: 13:34

Oh, definitely. That's I I always love to give out information, both uh the personal development aspect, also the business aspect. I think there's there's already a million people posting about their social views or about an election or whoever political figure they love. And yeah, everybody gets bent and twisted. I mean, that definitely lowers your vibrations, just reading all that. So that I I never post negativity, I never do anything like that. No drama, no toxicity. There's plenty of that. If if if we could all just you know post something that can help someone, something that can help.

SPEAKER_03: 14:19

I I think I I think some people enjoy, you know, that just like they, you know, for example, if you look at people watch TV, I I don't, but um, you know, reality TV, right? Reality TV shows, like they're all like about you know creating, you know, uh conflict because people some people just like that, they feed off of it, and that's okay. Is it me? No, but um some people do, and that's their thing. I'm not gonna tell them that they need to change as a person, but if they resonate with the things that I share and want to maybe um kind of expand their mindset uh on what's possible and live a more positive, uh positive life, then yeah, I think doing away with some of those things, what we consume, whether it's news, social media, food, uh, drink, you know, any anything, all that stuff is consumption, right? So um if there are lower vibrational things you're consuming, uh whether it be you know verbally or physically or with our eyes, then uh yeah, it's gonna it's gonna lower your lower your vibration. I I'm a I'm a high vibes guy.

SPEAKER_04: 15:40

Now, Christopher, what was your relationship with money, your family growing up in Haboken town of Frank Sinatra?

SPEAKER_03: 15:50

So I actually I grew up in central New Jersey, uh a town called uh Monroe Township. And I uh I was a middle child, I'm a middle child between two two sisters, and yeah, my parents are amazing people, just salt of the earth, like incredible humans, and um just such a gift to have a beautiful family that I have. And uh, you know, we we grew up in a uh beautiful home, uh middle class family. Both parents worked. Um, my my dad worked in in the insurance business, my mom worked at a local pharmacy in town. Um, we had in the back of our house, we had an abundance of woods, um, so privacy, and we lived on a cul-de-sac, and just uh there were a bunch of kids my age around. It was really growing up, I had an amazing life. And um, there was a time where my parents were struggling with money. And I know that because there was a night where I went to sleep and I heard them arguing about money, and I heard my dad yelling, and um I went to sleep that night crying. And uh, you know, I woke up on a wet pillow uh from all the tears, and I just promised myself that you know I would never ask them for money ever again. And this is when I was like 12 or 13. So what I first started doing was going around, gathering all the coins I could and building up my piggy bank. Um a couple years later, when I turned 14, I was able to start working. I um dropped all the sports. You know, I stopped playing uh football, soccer, and all the things and started working. I wound up working two jobs by the time I was like 16. I was working like 40 hours a week and going to going to school. And yeah, I was just like, you know what? I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna provide, I am going to never ask my parents for money ever again. I'm gonna do whatever I can to support them. And um yeah, that was the story I created in my mind about what I needed to do and the energy of the responsibility that I took on. And that kind of set the path for you know, not only my career in, you know, getting into this line of work to help, you know, my family, people I care about, make smart decisions about their money, um, and so much more.

SPEAKER_04: 18:24

Yeah, just very interesting. I always love to hear what people's beliefs are with just about money, and a lot of it is rooted in how we grew up. I mean, my family, even though we're Hispanic, we're very uh uh surface level with each other, others, so we felt that um acts of love was through money, uh, whether it was buying things for someone, which is crazy because it wasn't until very recent after doing a million personal development workshops that well, I think my mom and I we started saying, you know, I love you, and that was maybe uh 10 years ago, possibly, and that was because my ex-wife told my my mom that, but it it was just that, and that's why it was like, Well, I need more, I need to buy things, and I always felt like and it took a while to realize that you know everybody's different, but some some people money isn't important or things aren't important, but if you you feel that that's that's your only way of say saying, Hey, I love you, let's let's go blow money or let's go buy something, and that that was just something that that was rooted because it was always like oh and I was an only child. My mom and dad divorced before we were before I was even born, so everybody always overcompensated, like my grandparents, my mom, my aunts and uncles. So it was always like that. So and it took like it it was always like this empty feeling that, and that's why I always had to make more, because maybe if I make more and I give more, then people will love me more.

SPEAKER_03: 20:25

Yeah, it's interesting. Thank you first and foremost, thank you for sharing that. And uh, I'm so happy that you know you you and your mom now can say you love each other. Um it's a really special thing. And um yeah, the the my beliefs around money to this day continue to shift and expand. What I find is that most people have a limiting belief around money, they're the scarcity mindset, right? They uh it it it limits them in in some way, shape, or form from really living the life that they uh their authentic life, right? What they're really here to create, um, in a way that they're uh here to to do it and to be really deeply entrenched and giving back to community. And you know, it's like I don't know, 15 years ago or so, when I was I remember being in the car driving around like near my hometown, and we passed by a house, and my mom's like, Wow, that house must be like expensive. And I looked it up and I was like, it's a million bucks. She was like, Wow, that's a lot of money. And I'm like, mom, a million bucks, like her reality, you know, is that that's a lot of money. Um, to me, you know, in in the world of finance where I'm working with people with hundreds of millions of dollars, like it's that it does not a lot, right? So, you know, the what our awareness, right, like what we have uh experience of often dictates our uh belief system and what we what we think is possible. Um, and the more that I've you know, I've traveled to 55 countries and the more I've seen, you know, the places like in Peru, for example, where people are living in the Amazon jungle uh with nothing, their levels of happiness compared to people that I see that have hundreds of millions of dollars here in the states that are unhappy. You know, you start to question like what actually is causing people to be unhappy, right? Is it is it is it the money? Is it the responsibility? Is it the what is it? Um and I would say it's there's no one answer for that, but um money is not the answer for happiness, right? And we all know that.

SPEAKER_04: 22:58

Well, we we do know that, but a lot of times we pretend we don't know that. Of course, of course, of course. That's like saying, yes, we we all do know that eating you know large pizza every k and drinking a six-pack of coke or beer, you know, we we do know that, but then you know we we we tend to live our our our choices, and although a lot of times people just have this disgust for money, whether it's from watching movies or TVs where they TV programs or media that showcases money equals power, evil, corruption.

SPEAKER_03: 23:43

Well, well, so so money the money does equal power, right? So uh and I'm gonna just just point this out because I think that's often uh times we misunderstand. You know, money is energy, right? And if we have a lot of money, that means we have a lot of energy. And if we can if we take our energy and put it towards some things that we believe in, it has the power to bring those things to life.

unknown: 24:13

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 24:13

So it's very powerful. Like depending on how you know the the the uber wealthy people in the world, right, they run a lot of things, right? They have the power to run the things because they're driving, you know, the the systems uh with their capital, right?

SPEAKER_02: 24:33

So money is extremely powerful, 100%.

SPEAKER_04: 24:39

Yes, but it's uh it's also a multiplier in the sense that money can help bring water, clean water to areas of the world where they haven't had clean water, it it can move the needle on communities, or if if you're a philanthropist and you donate, and it's like with that that saying, it it doesn't change you, just 10xs you or 100x you. If if you're if you lived in scarcity your whole life, somebody hands you 10 million dollars, they're not gonna they're gonna be more like Ebenezer Scrooge with the money, or you know, that they're not gonna help out anybody, they're gonna still have these sleepless nights. That what happens, maybe one day the money goes away, or uh inflation goes up a thousand percent, or you know, the stock market goes to zero, or whatever they have it invested, it's so or you know, if you're a jerk, you're you're gonna be super jerk with that money, or you know, amplifier, yeah. Yeah, and it's an amplifier because you know, Mother Teresa and all these other people that when they had the means of donations or whatnot helped out others, so but it but it also too sometimes if you have the i'm sure you've heard this, uh everybody's uh the old um, oh yeah, money is the root of all evil, or my my treasure awaits me when I die and I go to heaven. And it's like why if you're made in God's image and you believe that, why do you think the world wants you to suffer? Or you know, only in scarcity in the sense that you only deserve like the crumbs, crumbs of love, crumbs of success, crumbs of wealth.

SPEAKER_03: 26:43

I've never heard that one about the dying and treasure, but it's interesting.

SPEAKER_04: 26:49

That's a southern thing, man. You're from the north. Yeah, I'm not talking about Boca. I I've lived in Louisiana, so I'm talking about you know, the the the deep south. Yes. Yes, if you're Baptist or you're you're very Bible-based oriented, it's like, yes, my my pastor that I tithe and I give 10% of nothing to says, hey, don't worry about it. You know, you're giving your 10%. Everybody's giving a little 10%, but if you know your your your treasure awaits you when you you pass away.

SPEAKER_02: 27:21

Yeah, it's interesting.

SPEAKER_03: 27:22

I think that uh what I also noticed too is that many people wait to be philanthropists until they die. So they write, you know, they write these like huge bequests in their will, right? And they've never given money. So, you know, I've I've met some people that really don't have much of an annual gifting strategy, but you know, they have millions of dollars. And you know, we when a kid turns to you know doing their estate planning and and writing their their documents, they then want to leave money. You know, at that moment I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we got to back up for a second here because one of the there's there's research that shows that our uh receptors in our mind that like that had the happiness receptors, right? I'm not a uh not a neuroscientist, but um there's receptors in our brain that ping the most when we're actually in service to other people. So if you're maybe exploring different ways to enhance your well-being and your your your wealthy, like you want this wealthy existence. And if you're not a philanthropist, um maybe you consider being a philanthropist. I think everybody should be a philanthropist. And you know, it's obviously easier said than done when you are looking at a population where you know more than half of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck and doesn't have you know more than 30 days of savings in their bank accounts. But philanthropy doesn't always come, it doesn't always need to come in the form of uh significant amount of dollars given, or even dollars given. You know, even if you just donate your time, your service uh to others, uh, because there's always someone less fortunate than you, right? Like you just mentioned it before, water. Water is a really um one of my three uh uh focuses and my dharma path is is uh providing an abundance of clean drinking water to everyone in the world. And you know, to know that there's two billion people in the world that don't even have access to water, right? Like what we think and understand to be like the worst case scenario for someone like living in the United States of America, though. Even I mean, in South Florida, I got news for you the water here is terrible. I have a$5,000 uh water filtration. system that I've uh in my house um because the water here is awful but um we still have access to it right it's better than than than not being able to live because you go thirsty so regardless of how much or how little you think you have or what's in your bank account there's always ways to give back and be a philanthropist especially you said it it uh everybody is always uh chasing uh the dopamine hit uh I mean ever everywhere you go it it's all of a sudden like a production uh I mean maybe call me old I uh went to uh visit my daughter went to the same college and uh but any any sporting event now has the you know real loud uh polite it's like being in Las Vegas and it's like it's gotten to the point uh okay if you like that dopamine like what you said if you get uh a feeling a a good feel uh then just volunteer somewhere it that doesn't cost money that in fact that's even scarcer than money is time you're literally giving back to an organization whether it's big brothers or best buddies there's there's so many to choose from where you know people people need help yeah and it doesn't even need you don't even need to go to an organization like just help your neighbor go down the road in Boca there's plenty of senior citizens that need help carrying their groceries to their car yeah but can I can I do a uh Instagram live while I'm doing it because you know a lot of people that's what we've come to is like every well if I give this guy five dollars can somebody take take a picture so I can post it and it's like no you don't you don't need to do that well well listen I you know my belief is that if by you sharing that you're doing something good that that inspires someone else to do something good go for it post away true but you know it also does sh if if you're being present then you know just just help there's there's there's a presence piece of it you know um you know and that I think you know is a whole nother conversation for sure but yeah I'm I'm even as someone who's a content creator now and has this you know has a following um I I'm trying to do a better job of actually taking more photos you know buddy of mine sent me messages like man we forgot to take a photo and I'm like oh damn like that's right you know I'm I'm trying to get better about capturing the the content of me doing the things that I'm doing so that it can share more um so you know there's a balance between it all so when shall we when can we expect a new book? Because I I have to I'm I'm planning to go to Sedona in uh two weeks and finish uh the put the finishing touches on it it's she's 97 97 ready uh just need to uh go through one last time and and that's the place I'm gonna do it. That's actually where my uh I had my awakening uh so I'm excited to that I'm getting called back to go there and uh gonna dedicate that time that I have there to do that. So my guess is sometime maybe around the holidays after the beginning of the year. But if people are interested in in in following me or my messaging or learning more, uh Christophermack I N dotco is where they can find me, where they can learn uh about all the things I'm doing, um how I'm creating in life and uh also pop on for the mailing list for the book. Now the conscious wealth I I love the name of it what what does that mean though to me wealth is this experience of spiritual emotional physical abundance joy and that comes with looking beyond the possessions piece of it. Um back in the day the uh you know wealth comes from the word wheel um and that is of joy and abundance and then eventually it transitioned to meaning possessions and then an abundance of possessions uh centuries later and that's just the operating system that we've been on for the last several hundred years. So to me as I look forward as we're exploring changes to our systems in significant ways. And by that I mean from an a financial perspective with transitioning of you know a traditional banking system to you know now uh blockchain and cryptocurrencies whether that be the the future I don't I don't know um but in education in in so many different ways there's there's systems that are changing drastically and I think that as we look forward in life you know we have this choice we have this opportunity now to kind of shift you know where our focus is um on on going away from accumulation to more of taking intentional uh mindful action with our energy I love the play on words though with the wealth yeah W E O well being things yeah yeah well being exact exactly and here I'll I'll tell everybody what your business card says besides all the above that including being a a Ricky master you even put the definition your definition of wealth and you and more valuable life currency a life exemplified by abundance happiness purpose health and joy to me that that's definitely mind body spirit and it it flies really in the opposite direction of a lot of people in business development where it's like oh you know you have to go all out when it when it comes to creating wealth creating abundance your other all your other aspects of life is going to go to shit because that's all you're gonna focus on but is that is that real success missing out on life while yeah you you've got plenty you've got plenty of energy for for some people it is so you know I I'll use the example of um you know influencers in the health and wellness space that like dietitians okay there's people that tell you a raw steak diet is the best diet there's people that tell you you know not eating meat is the best diet there's people telling you you know no dairy no this no that no whatever it's really up to the person's body right as to what works best for them and they got to figure out what works best for them. The you know for me like everyone has a story. There's you know a lot of the billionaires that exist in the world today if we if you if you interview a hundred of them there's a good chance that not all hundred worked a hundred hour weeks there's probably a bunch that did you know I know a guy who wrote a book called Burn the Boats and his belief is that you gotta kind of you can't have a plan B. You just gotta go all in you know that's it blah blah blah and yeah like maybe and there's a lot of different ways to do things um you know is the probability higher if you burn the bridges and you know don't have a plan B maybe but um I also know that most billionaires have failed before multiple times multiple times before they made their and sometimes they've been billionaires and then they've gone down to zero and then they've gone back like it's just no confidence though that billionaire or whomever the money energy it's there's no straight line to success no straight line to wealth and money comes it's like the ebb and flow of the ocean but you the one thing that everybody does have that's successful is confidence. Confidence that yes I've well I've been there I mean you know the person will go I've been there here I'll I'll I'll tell you uh 20 you know 20 years of being an owner multi-businesses whatnot and was married got a divorce had to go back to to work because you know lost all the money I nobody knew that I talk about it in my books or whatnot but I I never just thought oh my gosh my life is over I you know highly intelligent and in fact most most of the reason why I lost the money was even though I know how to create money out being an investor multiple things I was in spent a lot of money at angel investing and I got you know swindled but you know scammed but at the end of the day I you know it took a while but built myself back up because you know when you you hit rock bottom sometimes you know that's a gift from the universe too man I mean you you talk about all these people like Walt Disney went bankrupt three times Howard Schultz nobody wanted to give him a loan for coffee so you you have to have faith in yourself which requires confidence because man I can tell you a story of about a kid that they thought couldn't speak English in Miami had him a Niesel and you know he could took him so many years but he did a TEDx talk and became a successful financial advisor and a lot of people say you can't stop talking so it and it was just that vitamin C of confidence yeah I guess when when you had said confidence you you said in a broad way and I guess you're you're meaning confidence in like business and their oh yeah yeah yeah just that yeah no because I I think a lot of people even you know what I start to see over time is that as they build wealth their confidence about them as humans actually starts to shift and you know they they start to sense this like oh you know many people with a significant amount of wealth they kind of get this feeling that people are only friends with them because they have money and other stuff that's that's a true statement too though I I I mean when when you know uh an 80 or 90 year old man's married to a uh a 20 year old woman i i mean uh uh if there's none of that down here i don't know what you're talking about oh exactly you you know it it's it's like you know it's everywhere down here i know i know love is blind but yeah but but that's also being paranoid too man you can't just live life like oh my god everybody wants wants to hang out with me because i have money because i'm some people do i know a billionaire who he used to lock himself in his house because he just didn't want to he he became uh a deep introvert and so he was like a recluse like a god what was what was the uh howard us and just like kept to himself like uh yeah yeah yeah yeah um was he happy with that lifestyle no no well there you go man no i have to ask you man i i i don't even know if i'm i'm saying it right because it's one of those words it's reiki right uh reiki uh okay uh reiki yeah uh so what got you what got you i mean what i love about you uh is you're like me man you can't put you can't fit you in the box you know you're you're like the type of guy that you if if they gave you a coloring book this man doesn't color between the lines i mean you you would ask for like yes be because it was funny because when i first read your stuff i'm like there's gotta be like a a typo or maybe it's two or three or four different people and and no man i i mean literally uh uh think about that like oh i know i hear about it all the time because when you think of wealth advisor well yeah well hey hey you know you you should meet my man he's a cf you know christopher mackin and then you know when it comes to energy and when it comes to healing he's a healer you know what we're all healers right and even reiki the the uh practice of reiki you know i i do on myself every morning i do as a uh you know as for friends uh and and family members um from time to time but all it is is opening up and being a channel and how and guiding people through an experience um that allows them to tap into their inner source and their inner power through connection to the universe it's not like it's like yeah when I when I put my hands over people there's a certain amount of energy that kind of comes off my hands and people can feel it um but I'm just a conduit right so I don't uh I don't know where you get like the the idea of like me being a healer like we're all healers and and we're all our our we're we're our own best healer right and what what got me into Reiki initially was one of my first retreats that I went to in Tulum uh a woman walked up to me uh on the roof I had only like briefly met her in in one of the one of the online workshops that we had because I had just joined this group like a week before and she came up to me and told me you know that my uncle really enjoyed when I went out on my boat and that he had guided me to meet uh the woman who was in my life at the moment and I find that interesting I found it really interesting I I started to break into tears because my uncle was dead so my uncle who had passed away many years before that um who I really uh look up to to this day um he chose her to speak through to speak to me through uh to uh for the first time and at that moment when I met her I was like okay well uh Uncle Bernie chose you so we're gonna be friends um that means a lot to me and yeah uh uh what we did was we I I wound up working with her um she's a medium but she also does uh a variety of different coaching and um and and energy work and she's actually a Reiki master herself so she's through our several months I mean we we actually worked together for for several years um but through those first few months I really enjoyed you know these Reiki experiences that she would take me through and finally she was like oh I'm I'm hosting this uh course to to um to train you know and and if you want to come in you come in and and we did it so yeah it's something I do every day just to clear my energy field and uh yeah it's one of my practices per se now before that experience uh did you believe in people like the Teresa Caputo the Long Island Medium and Travis Tyler I think his name is and all the other so so I never really I never follow and the the names that you mention I I don't uh they don't ring a bell i i think it's hard for us to believe something until we experience it ourselves that you know from an esoteric field right so for example prior to that like we would talk about mediums and I'm like okay yeah whatever you know and what I what I knew of was like you know uh again like uh readings done and you know your uh you know people being able to tell you about your future right and I was like I don't know if I really want to know like about my future because then if something comes up maybe I find out like someone's gonna die or whatever and I put that energy out like I just don't want that right so I never really spent any time doing it but what what happened was I wound up going to Sedona um and I met uh a shaman there and he did an astrology reading for me and basically told me about my entire life uh without knowing me uh just knowing my date of birth time of birth and location of birth and I was like you know what all right there's something that I don't know uh that I really want to explore and that's really like this uh the spiritual realms in all aspects that's you know astrology it's human design it's jinkies it's uh you know energy work and uh you know psychedelics and all these you know things that people use as tools to uh bring them closer to their authentic beings well there's there's many different ways of getting to point A to point B.

SPEAKER_04: 49:32

Of course I I tried a lot of those so including the drugs. Yeah and I and and you got a big smile on your face so something's working oh yeah I oh I I I am somebody that would try it everything and anything yeah you have to live life free from judgment and just experience life. Everybody has like a you know a list of yeah or or you know we we judge people based on like trivial things like oh who did you vote for? Does it does it really matter?

SPEAKER_03: 50:13

Well I I don't know have you ever done a human design human design no yeah so so it take a look at human design um there's this woman I think Jenna Zoe or something if you google Jenna Zoe human design I think that's her name anyway you can put it in I'm a great life experimenter okay I'm a three five generator um so what I love to do is experiment with things right I'm a guy who will throw spaghetti up the wall and like up against the wall and whatever sticks like I'm gonna go with that. Right. But I'm willing to to continue to throw spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks. Like I'm not I don't really get tied to needing to do like one thing and do it that way and you know uh I'm really open. And um I would say you know my experimentation I'm willing to try anything at least once if not maybe twice. Because sometimes the first time you do something you know of course right so um but yeah everybody's different you know not everybody's willing to experiment well I'll definitely look that up yeah I think a human design would be cool definitely brother man I gotta say thank you thank you for the time thank you for the experience thank you for the knowledge thank you for the one hour time is the most valuable resource and okay everybody for starters follow the man Christopher Mackin on Instagram he's always posting says he's gonna the best is yet to come I am Christopher Mackin he he is but is I am Christopher Mackin author of Conscious Wealth W E L L T H it's coming soon it's gonna take the world by storm it's gonna create a shift what we need is a positive shift in the right energy in the right right energy towards the right way and brother you are in service you're changing the world you're changing things for the best man thank you for the opportunity brother anything else any other ways to find you or yeah I'm on I'm on all the things uh LinkedIn too yeah pretty active on LinkedIn as well um but yeah it's uh you give me a good Google and you'll find me I'm the guy with the long hair and uh it 42. So um there's only one other Christopher Mack that's got a lot of grays I got a I got a gray strike uh streak. So um yeah and I just want Omar thank you um for being in service to your community and continuing to grow your community and just to um share and bring together people that uh can provide some level of inspiration and uh knowledge and um just add add value to people's lives. Appreciate doing this.

SPEAKER_04: 53:17

Next time after you do the book launch and it's huge, we're gonna do the the next episode we're gonna go to Boca.

SPEAKER_03: 53:24

Let's go let's go already make make Boca great again exactly having