What If It Did Work?
What If It Did Work?
Chasing Success, Finding Self
Imagine waking up successful on paper and hollow in your chest. That’s the professional paradox we tackle with internationally recognized strategist and transformative coach Nancy Ho, who has helped more than 10,000 leaders bridge the gap between high performance and real fulfillment. We get candid about the stories that sell struggle as a virtue, status as love, and busyness as worth—then dismantle them with clarity, values, and a deeper why.
Nancy introduces her North Star Vision framework and explains why “effortless success” isn’t about avoiding effort; it’s about removing needless struggle. We explore how the ego self performs to be accepted, how misaligned thinking patterns fuel burnout, and how to tell if a belief actually serves you. From the illusion of “real age” to the lure of ads that promise happiness in a bow-tied luxury car, we pull back the curtain on what really sustains a meaningful life.
This conversation gets practical: aligning your job with your values, choosing self-care that goes beyond facades, using social media to serve rather than chase applause, and practicing a simple reset—stop and breathe—to make decisions from power, not panic. Nancy’s stories—from inviting a street musician to elevate a community gathering to giving without keeping score—show how generosity expands capacity and turns success into something you can feel, not just flaunt.
If you’re tired of grinding for goals that don’t change how you feel at 3 a.m., you’ll find a different path here: one that measures peace as carefully as profit and treats fulfillment as the foundation for achievement. Listen now, share with someone who needs this reframe, and if it resonates, subscribe and leave a review to help others find the show.
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SPEAKER_02:All right, everybody, another day, another dollar, another one of my favorite episodes of my favorite podcast. I'm biased. What if it did work? Got with me internationally known Nancy Hull, author, the recognized thought leader on the professional paradox. She she is a life and business strategist, transformative coach, internationally recognized, with over 26 years of experience. You only look like you're 40, so I don't know how you got to 26 years. She's helped more than 10,000 high-achiev professionals, C-suite executives, business owners, senior managers navigate the hidden burdens of success and reconnect with personal fulfillment. Man, the world needs a lot of that. Now, while traditional success stories focus on external achievements, Nancy highlights the often overlooked disconnect between professional accomplishments and the most important, the inner well-being. Guides leaders in identifying their deeper why using her signature North Star Vision framework to create clarity with resilience and lasting fulfillment. Thank you for being on. How's it going?
SPEAKER_01:Very well, and thank you for inviting me on your show.
SPEAKER_02:Well, look at that. I would have never guessed. You see, it when when we're lit when we're in alignment, yes, we we look younger because I'm I'm in my 50s and people don't it so that that goes to show you that when the the inside, when you're happy and everything's going in the right direction, because we both know people 30, 40 that look like they're 60, 70.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, absolutely. You know, there's this there's this test that uh um been online for a long time by the medical doctor, but she he doesn't practice the medication anymore, the kind of conventional medic medicine, but he practiced about longevity and stuff like that. Okay, so there's this um um website that we can actually go and do the quiz that says real age. So the real age is not our biological age. That means you feel the you know, their questionnaires and all that. So the real age is really what your body is saying, you know. Uh, and there are people that do the task that they could be 50 and their body is actually 80. And that explains why some people at a pretty young age and they just you know uh reach the end of their life, or they you know, they jog and then they drop dead. I mean that kind of stuff. Uh so it is very real, it's from the inside, uh, that um actually project on the outside and not the outside to the inside. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02:But a lot of it too, though, is uh right before we started, it's just we're people chase, people chase they don't they don't understand the fulfillment and happiness. It's an inside job and it's something that you you just do, you just be. So they think if if if I open up another business, if I if if I make an increase in extra 10, maybe if I work six days a week, maybe 20 hours a day I work, people will love me, people will accept me, people I will finally find success, I will finally find happiness.
SPEAKER_01:Correct. You see, we all want success for the fact I'll define it such that we all have potential. So why do less in the sense of less, like you know, being complacent, uh, not not you know go to the full nine yards, so to speak, but not at the expense of that's the point, not at the expense of. So we all want success, right? Say, for example, we went to school and we want to have good grades, all well, and then right, we want to have a good job, our climb the corporate ladder, all well, you know. Uh it's actually positive. How I looked at it, it became negative, as I mentioned just now, that it becomes very lopsided. It becomes like they only focus on one area, which is the material success. The material success is not only just wealth, you know, financial, the material success, it could be also power and fame and status. And so we can see that a lot in uh the Hollywood style. They got the power, the fame, the body, the looks, you know, the money and what have you. But why they're hitting the baldus or you know, being over overly uh they drop themselves and you know, all that because they don't feel good inside in spite of all the external success they have.
SPEAKER_02:And and that's why us people outside of Hollywood that that aren't famous, they're like, Oh my god, why did that person kill themselves? Why did they why are they so depressed? Why, yes, and it's it's because there's there's no fulfillment. It fulfillment is never and people don't under because they think, oh, money, like if they give you a big pile of money, then all of a sudden you're gonna be like, oh my gosh, I I'm I'm happy. If if you have low self-esteem or you're sad all the time, it's just money. They're not, it's not gonna be like exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like last night, uh besides doing a one-on-one uh with my clients, I also have I call them my tribe. Okay, I have a specific uh community that I do group coaching for them. And uh in this in this program, I call it the effortless success. So effortless success doesn't mean you know, success without effort, it means without struggle. So it was just it was just last night and I actually talked about one specific topic. I said why people struggle. I mean, it cannot be a norm, it cannot be, you know, something that's common, but it don't make sense, but it is true, it's pretty common that people struggle. So it's like there are two reasons primary why people struggle. One is our constructive self, i.e., the ego self. I have to be this way in order to be accepted. I have to be, you know, projecting that so that I look my part. I got to be that that that perfect mother, father, you know, whatever role, and so on and so forth. So that becomes they're stuck with this ego self, and then this ego self then obviously affect their thinking pattern. So their thinking pattern becomes, you know, they they are so trapped in that. So if that is not what it is, everything else doesn't matter. That becomes um a reason why people struggle.
SPEAKER_02:So they they they struggle though because they feel that their happiness have to be this way that I because you hear a life without struggle, then you're you're not you're you're you're not going for it. Or how are you gonna be successful if you know you don't have sleepless nights? Or you the the real successful people go past way past comfort. When we we always hear comfort zone, so people believe that I I need to be stressed out, I need to have anxiety, I need to feel all this pressure like like all on me to to break through this this right thing, this this this ceiling that's holding me back for nirvana, for happiness, for success, for everybody to for significance. Exactly to feel that you matter, and and that's that's why like you know, people want to be an influencer now, these young kids. Because they see the it's not the money, it's uh oh my there's five million people following me, right? They care what I do, correct.
SPEAKER_01:So this is exactly what I meant by their thinking pattern. Of course, if the thinking patterns truly serve you, then it is the correct pattern. I call it the correct thinking pattern. But if that thinking pattern does not serve you, then obviously it's incorrect. So I even went on, like, what is let's define what is correct and what's incorrect in that sense, right? Because it can be very, very uh subjective. So I said, what kind of thinking pattern that you think you have that really works and it's not defined as like it's A, B, C. I said, whatever that you think about, whatever that you do, you action, you behave sit well with you. You're at peace with it. So if somebody's gonna work 12 hours a day, 14 hours a day, and that really sit well with them, that's fine and well. Because really to itch is okay.
unknown:Right?
SPEAKER_01:To itch his own. I mean, okay, what the four days week and all that, right? You know what I mean? All that all kind of all kinds of uh concept out there. But if somebody you know works 14 hours, 16 hours so as to achieve something, they get burned out, uh, they get overwhelmed, they have anxiety, and of course they become sick, hypertension, and all that, then it's not that's not serving them. So this cannot be the right thinking pattern. Do you do what what's your opinion?
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no, no, I was gonna say people feel that they're they're chasing like a new car or or a new house or a possession. And and then they buy it, but then they don't own it, they don't have the freedom, the possession owns them because now I have to work twice as hard to make sure I can pay this car that everybody sees me in, or this house, or everything.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, absolutely. So that's why I'm saying, okay, does this really work for you in a sense? Are you at peace with it? I'm talking at peace. I'm not talking about the the the way a person thinks only, right? So if you have to, you know, so that I can pay for it, right? Driving the car is no longer no longer fun. I actually I always said to you know, somebody can buy uh this fanciful car, you can afford it, go ahead, right? But literally, it's only two good days. The first day you have it, and the last day you sell it.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. But it it took me years because I always thought, oh, I need that car. And then I would get that car because I was like, that's gonna, I will finally be happy. I have it, and then a week later, you you're right, it's like not even not even a week, a day or two. Oh, right, the first day, and then the last day, and then you notice everybody else has this not only the same car, but the same color because now you focus. This is it's not as it's not as rare as what you thought, that you know, right? And it's like then you're like, Well, I'm not I'm not happy. Are these other people that got the same car? Are they feeling the same way? Or yeah, absolutely, but but everybody does that because it it's but society also trains people to feel that but one, it's because that's how you sell more cars. It's called ads and advertisement. Uh ads, ads are really just manipulation.
SPEAKER_01:Sure, I still remember this this this advertisement long time ago, as I told you, right? I'm in my 60s. So those were the days, right? That cigarette was the thing, and I still remember this advertisement, right? I think the brand is Mablo. I don't know, I don't smoke. Okay, and then you have this wow, you know, macho kind of a guy is that D-man, okay. You want to be that man? You smoke that cigarette, you know what I mean? So so those men that want to feel like a man has to smoke this cigarette, right? Not only a cigarette, this brand, right? So this is great that we we we can be influenced, but wait a minute. We have to come back to our center and expose it, really? Why? Why? Why this car right? It's an inside thing, not an outside thing that because I want to keep up with Jonas's.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's so easy just to say because oh, I just want to because you have to actually do the work and go within and go, why why did I think? Is it because I feel like I'm I'm not enough? Do I feel like people won't like me? You have to you have to do the work because people always because it's easy to superficial and surface to go, oh be you know, because everybody or this or that, instead of saying, I needed that car because I thought it would make me happy. Nobody's gonna say that.
SPEAKER_01:Or yeah, of course, inside. Yeah, they have to be brutally honest. Just like the other day, uh, what was it? Was it Tuesday night? Yes, Tuesday night. All right, I went to my club, all right. Um, it's a very nice club, and they they had a talk, right? This this two gentlemen, and they are, you know, they are globally recognized, XYZ, and what have you. So the topic was, what's your plan B? And uh there were about almost 200 people. A majority of them, I expect some of them have lived in Singapore for a long time, and uh, some have not, but then a lot of have lived around for a long time, and some even became Singapore citizens. So the whole topic is about like, you know, so you know, what's the plan B? And if that's a plan B, what is it? And they went on and on about, you know, of course, one of the uh uh famous and popular places that people flop to for plan B is Dubai, because of 10-year visa, right? So even the speaker say, yeah, this is plan B, right? Dubai. And how fantastic and blah, blah, blah. Mind you, I do like Dubai because it's really a great city, right? But plan B as to live there and then, you know, you go there and have the 10-year visa because it's easy to assess. Uh, unlike like in Singapore, there are a lot of rules, you've got to fill up a lot of paper, they won't just let you in like that, which I believe is a great thing. You just don't let people in like that, you know what I mean? So, anyway, so point and went on. So, of course, we could raise our hands and you know give our comments. And I actually say this I said, Okay, all being well, but my opinion, right, is that what's your why? Why you do what you do? And literally even said to him, like I said, example, why are you giving this talk? Why am I sitting here listening to you? Right? But if we don't know the why, then you know we probably won't enjoy as much, or we're just wasting that two hours. So the why is very important.
SPEAKER_02:Most people don't even couldn't even tell you their why on a goal or why on anything.
SPEAKER_01:True, that's where I come in.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yes, because but that's why people you know, people just operate on exactly without knowing, and it was because of things outside influences that taught that taught us all these things. You you're gonna laugh. It's about almost time for Lexus and the the brand car brands here to run commercials for um Christmas, and what they have is to show love, a man drives, buys to surprise his wife, a brand new eighty-90, thousand dollar car, and it's for Christmas, it's snowing out. He comes home, there's a big bow on the car, and she falls madly in love, and she's like, Thank you, I love you. Merry Christmas. And in reality, most people, if some man or woman just bought like a eighty-ninety thousand dollar car without consulting their partner, it wouldn't be like, Oh my god, thank you. This is amazing. It would be like, Why are you putting us more into debt? Right, exactly now. We have to pay a thousand dollars a month for this car. Absolutely. Well, but yet people people operate because it's like, well, I have to. It's like, well, movies show that you have to the struggle, you have to work very hard and very long to be successful. Because if not, you're you're a bomb, and and it's it's it's it's the furthest thing, but we it it's everything we a lot of times we we just operate and we don't know why we're operating, and it's just because outside influences have taught us.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly, yeah, sure. But again, you know, if we are children, right, and we get influenced that way. I I get it, I get it in a sense because you're a child and you don't know better. But when we become adult, we got this to think, but we still don't to analyze, you know, it's just a question whether a person wants to, and why we just call it coming back to your authentic self, coming back home. We all have this wisdom, all right? Every one of us has that, and we'll just be quiet a little and not get so caught up with the external, you know. I mean, social media being social media, right? Flip, flip, flip and whatever. So they get themselves so influenced. Um, on Sunday afternoon, I happened to have time. What did I do? I went to my at the yacht club by myself. All I did was just to chill out. I was not on my phone, I went for the tent, lap swim, right? I just chill out, just relax, and just look at the sky. And that to me is happiness.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you didn't, and then you didn't go on social media because you know people are addicted to it. I was building.
SPEAKER_01:I was interested. In fact, I did my coaching with that served with staff because she he was not doing well. Okay, he did he looks like he's not you know doing well and everything else. So I even like you know, offer my advice. You see, I spend time, I engage with these people. They are not paying me, if you get my point. But I'm just happy there, you know, by myself, do whatever. And then when I see somebody that I can offer something, and that's so much joy.
SPEAKER_02:But that's so much joy in a person, the other person, because they're like, oh, someone thinks I matter that I am important.
SPEAKER_01:Correct. Correct. I tell you what I did last night. I chance upon this basker playing an instrument outside one of the train stations, and it was beautiful. It was so beautiful. And it was, I don't know how to call it the instrument. It's supposed to be some digital flute kind of thing. They've got lots of other whatever in them. So I said, This is so nice. I said, Hey, um, do you think um you could ask something to the tune that I invited him all right to come for my group coaching, which I said to you last night, right? I said, uh, I invite you to join us, join us for dinner. Okay, this is what we have dinner, join us for drinks, and then play us uh a few pieces because it's so beautiful. And I want to introduce this instrument to our people because it's just so interesting. And he accepted. He accepted, and he came, he's a retiree. So instead of wasting his life, he actually during COVID learned this instrument, and he doesn't look like he's broke and therefore he needs to be a basco. But then he actually wanted to be one because he wants to share his music.
SPEAKER_02:Well, then that's is isn't that happiness? Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:He chose, exactly. So he's actually spent an hour with us playing his pieces. We all would, wow, you know, it was like, you know, in to me, it was like in heaven, heaven on earth last night for the hour. And we gave him so much love and so much joy. Of course, I told my people, okay, we need to also support. So, you know, we of course contributed and whatever. And then, you know, I actually told them, I said, hey, don't be cheap, whatever you contribute, don't be cheap. Don't and I actually said to said to them before he came, I said, there's this, let's not call him Basker. He's a musician, he plays music, he's a musician, have respect for people, right? So it was just so nice. So that last night, right? All of us, our spirit was uplifted. If only more people engage in stuff like that, um, it's just so nice, then always me, me, me, me, me, me. What's in for me? What's in for me, you know?
SPEAKER_02:You mean like society, most people. The best part of the best part about it is all over the world. You see people, and it's like that. It's just focus on what can I get?
SPEAKER_01:All right, what's in for me?
SPEAKER_02:What's what can someone do for? Maybe I I will you see you said you wanted to help out a complete stranger. Other people operate on maybe I can help that person out, but what are they gonna do for me?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, exactly. But then it was interesting, you know, so we get um um Mr. Ng, right? We call him Anka Ng, right? He's in the 70s, I mentioned, and he his wife even said that what invitation and he actually said, I don't know, is some kind of coaching, all right? So similarly, I don't know him, but then we both come in a space to give.
SPEAKER_03:Not to give, right?
SPEAKER_01:I come from a space to give as like not just giving him something, you know, that's giving my people an opportunity to look at this instrument, what it is to learn something, to expose more of our knowledge, you know what I mean? And of course, enjoying and his giving, his love, his music. So it was last night was really a space that we all hold, and it's called love. Now, this is priceless.
SPEAKER_02:Why is it then it's so hard for people to give and they have it backwards, and they just want to take, and everybody the everybody's read you get what you give, but then they they operate on scarcity. They're like, No, I'm not gonna give anything, I'm not gonna give out love, but I want love. I'm not gonna I want to I want money, but I'm not willing to give out anything to charity. Why is it always that that that scarcity mindset and all that?
SPEAKER_01:The ego self satisfaction, the ego self, the way people think, right? Or the way people think you could have been like this.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I'm not gonna help that person. Nobody helped me.
SPEAKER_01:So again, I choose not to think that way.
SPEAKER_02:I cultivate different and and and the best part about it though, Nancy, is you have this, you have a business where you gave him free coaching. Uh, another person would operate. I'll help him this little, and then I'll give him my business card and go, Hey, by the way, I can help you out. But you you look you don't come from that.
SPEAKER_01:No, not at all. It's just like I said, I just chanced upon him and I said, Wow, the music is so beautiful, right? Come, I'd like to invite you if you are willing. And he he was good too. He didn't even ask for, like, okay, sure, I can come and I uh and I want to be paid X amount of dollars. No, right? Uh, both of us just like there was nothing in our mind about money, but yet I don't take advantage. Like I said, I I say, give me a QR code. Uh this day is easy to send money, and I pass down. And I said, of course, it's not compulsory. I say, whoever doesn't do not want to contribute, you don't have to. I'm not forcing you. But if you want to contribute, don't be cheap. I mean, don't be cheap as don't give that the two, three dollars kind of thing. Come on, don't insult the person. I'd rather either you give or you don't give, right? You've got to be a decent amount, right? So, whatever that means to each its own. Of course, I I don't want to mention how my give, how much I give, but I gave quite a little bit, all right? Because of his effort to come all the way. So, so the thing is how you think. I don't know. I um I'm a giver, I'm a giver. Um, in my group coaching, as I mentioned again, right? I actually cook for them. Look at that, and free flow of beer and wine, and they pay nothing for the cost of that that meal and all that, and after 10 o'clock, come whiskey. So if those those those of them that want to uh you know bring some borders, whatever, fine and well, right? But if they don't, I all that's always there. See? So I like eating. I like giving.
SPEAKER_02:And this is what I love about you on on your website. This hits this is what Nancy's perfect prospect might be. Let's see if anybody experiences nobody experiences any of these. Lack of fulfillment despite professional success, ineffective team in human capital management. Number three, struggling with work-life balance. Four, feeling stuck and stagnant in their mindset. Now, five, I know nobody has this either. Relationship problems and lack of personal fulfillment, six, residual stress and unresolved past trauma. Seven, seeking guidance for personal and professional growth. Some uh all these seven, you're pretty soon you're gonna have to have like offices all over the world. You're gonna have to do live sessions.
SPEAKER_01:So I have no retirement. I I don't I I would not retire. I will continue as long as you're not working.
SPEAKER_02:You're you don't work, you do what you love. That's not right the person that because you've seen this. Oh, I'm gonna retire in eight years, six months, and have the calendar and 12 days. That person's been miserable since they started working. They were nobody forced them to do whatever it is, you know. That that's somebody that's living in scarcity. Oh, well, if I stay two more years, I'll get one extra vacation day. Or no, no one else is gonna want me, no one's gonna hire me, or I can't open up my own business. That's scary. I I'm uh all the the small mindset that you know it keeps everybody trapped.
SPEAKER_01:That's what I call the limiting belief. So everything starts with our belief, right? Everything starts, literally starts and ends without belief. So again, if the belief is serving you, keep it. If the belief is not serving you, and how do you know you're not serving you? You're not happy at all, you're miserable, and you are probably angry and you're pissed off, and you are probably depressed, all of that. So then you know it's not working for you. And if it's not working for you, change. What is rocket science?
SPEAKER_02:And then they don't change. The the worst part is they'll talk about it over and over, and they don't even do a little shift, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so like coming on, you know, I do a lot of podcasting, I do a lot of my videos uh on social media, and all my videos is not about having more, wanting more, it's always all about giving some advice, some tips, and how one live life, or I create awareness. So when people have that awareness, then of course they can shift.
SPEAKER_02:But are you are you sure about your age? Because you're on I I see you everywhere on social media. I see your reels on TikTok, yeah, you're on Instagram, you're informative. Most people be like, Yeah, no, that's that's oh, that's stupid. When people say, Why do I post a TikTok? Because they're like, Oh, those are just people that want to do dances or they want to do this. That's someone's limiting belief. That's putting how do you know what what you're doing? Because I always operate on. Well, I wrote my books. Maybe I'll help one person, maybe the show will help that one person, maybe two people, maybe three. That's the way to live life. You can't be like, Well, let imagine if you just started posting videos on fun things to do at single, you know what I mean? Singapore, or just to get the likes, because that's what a lot of people operate on. How is that who can you wanna help people live their best life, and and especially in a world where struggling with work-life balance, we everybody's taught that to in order for success, you have to struggle in other aspects of your life. You can't be in a happy relationship because you have to focus on work, you can't have friends, you can't be a good parent because you have to focus on and it to me, and it's funny because you and I are like, that's stupid. How can that be how can that be success, right? If you're completely what are you gonna do? You're gonna oh, this is my oh, my bank account. Oh, yes, I love it. Is it you have no friends, you're divorced, your kids don't talk to you, your your parents are angry because you never visit them, and you're like, Yes, but you know, I looked at my my Charles Schwab account. It says I had this amount of money. I'm so happy. But that's how that's how people operate because we hear, well, the reason why you don't have more is because you need to do more to be more.
SPEAKER_01:Uh, somebody actually uh last night uh raised a question, is like, you know, I I I think I like my job, but it's stressful. So then I said, What is stress? What is stress? Right? So again, the musician I said, look, right? He's not stressed, but seriously, he has to carry the stuff, although he drives and he could carry the stuff, his speaker, and everything else, the whole full works, right? Is that is that stressful? Is that struggle? No, it's it's what he is willing to do, and he has that joy of giving. So, of course, if there's no job match, then go elsewhere. I I I get it. I always said this, it's not about having a job, it's the job match. Does it align with you? Does it align with your values? Money, we don't even need to talk about it, it's an exchange. It's an exchange, right? You do this job just like you know the museum came. I still ensure that we contribute something, it's it's given. If you just show up and do what uh you are good at, what you're good at naturally, you become successful, but not at the expense of relationship, health, you know, family, your own well-being. So not at the expense of, as I mentioned, why am I on social media? Because today people go on the social media, so other whoever wants to do what they want to do, whether they don't do the dance, do the buttons got nothing to do with me. I just focus on my intention. But these are just platforms, these are platforms that I reach out. That I mean, compared to like in the early days, if you want to reach out, I have to put in a newspaper, I've got to put into the magazine, right? Those days where it's no social media. Now it's easy to do that, and I don't believe in being redundant, so I keep up with technology, and it's it's great.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, if if I was in if I was in Singapore and I saw this, for if this is what you posted, this is what you had for Halloween, it wasn't a Halloween party, right? Of meaningful relationships, connect deeply, thrive together. Breakthrough with Nancy Hall. And that's like two things. Either a person that an avoidance oh that's that's stupid. I'm not gonna do that, I'm not gonna do that. Screw that. But the other thing is if a person is finally tired of being sick and tired, they're tired of the pain, they don't want just the superficial surface level relationships. That right there would would hit it. And like what you said, you and I we grew up where now there's so much information, you're feeling depressed. You good and there's plenty of things for free, you know. Before if I was feeling suicidal, it would take like two weeks for a Tony Robbins program, for that, and that's rush, rush shipment. I have to wait, like pay so much extra and wait 15, 16 days for happiness. Now, just like, but everybody it it's so isn't it so much easier to pretend like oh, I don't know, I can't. That that the the the most limiting close-off words, I can't, and I don't know how.
SPEAKER_01:Right. So, again, you know, to each his own, whether a person wants to address the pain or not, or deny it, or ignore it, right? I I I I don't have that um power, nor do I want to do that to ensure everybody should realize that that's not my job, so to speak. My job is be my truer self, do what I'm good at, give what I can give, and that's it. I can control the outcome. So people that have that pain and they want to address the pain, then that's where I'm with them.
unknown:Right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so I'm not here to convince people, you got to do this, you gotta do that. No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not in in in that place, you know, it's not in my place either, right? But it's more so I just show up and do what I do best, period. And I do that um out of my sleeping hours, I do that all the time. I don't do that just because somebody pays me for the coaching, you know what I mean? Uh, or therapy. I do that everywhere I go. So this is my identity.
SPEAKER_02:It's who you are. It's it's it's it's it's your being, it's your power, it's your energy.
SPEAKER_01:Correct, you know, so so I call them my people, right? Uh, I have we have gone out to have dinner, and and we've gone out to have drinks and all that too. And then they often say, like, my goodness, you know, when we go out with you, the energy is just so different, you know, the service stuff that everybody uh will treat us differently. I said, because I'm good to people, I treat them as people, they matters. So if I guess I treat them, they matters, then they would treat me that I matter, right?
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. You know, instead of the instead of like this this thing now. Oh introduce yes, okay. Hi, I'm Omar. Okay, so what do you do? Which what's your title? How much money do you make? How how where did you go to school? All these things, and it's like, why? So you can for for the level of respect, respect the same person. I don't care if he he's the janitor or the CEO, you treat everybody the same and it'll come back to you. But if you're like, Oh, I'll I'll talk to you because you know I can get somewhere.
SPEAKER_01:No, yeah, because again, there's the what's in for me thing, exactly, right? So I don't, I mean, of course, mind you, we we come first, of course, right? The individual comes first, just like the airline rule, right? When the oxygen mass drops, attend to yourself, of course.
SPEAKER_05:You you can't help out others if you if you're right, right.
SPEAKER_01:So when so, therefore, that is correct, but then again, the definition: what are we looking after? Ourself, what aspects of us that we are looking after, right? So, number one is self-care. We have to look after ourselves, we must have this self-care, and self-care isn't about like going for a face job, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's that's what people think, you know. They get uh exactly their nails done, yeah, hair done, something so Korea is selling themselves very well, okay, very well, all this face job and whatever jobs and all that, and then I then when they come back, I look at them.
SPEAKER_01:How can your nails look similar? They look similar, you know, and you can see from a right, not a distant away, even a distant away. Yeah, face job, face job went under the knife. You could tell.
SPEAKER_02:Of well, of course, of course, yeah. Well, it's because like I we said it earlier, they age themselves if if they were just happy on the inside, if they're beautiful. On the inside, it comes out.
SPEAKER_01:I had this client, right? She she goes under a knife and did all she can, but there's one place she can't do. So she's telling the whole world she is doing her face job, but she thinks she only focused on her face, all right. And she's she she literally went under knife to a point she can't go under knife anymore. There's no other place to pull. One place what she can't do, or all this aesthetic can do the neck.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. You can you can check someone's neck. It's funny because uh being in Vegas, I don't want to call out it's one of my favorite, and you're like, oh my gosh, he's 70, but you know, no wrinkles or whatnot. But every time he lifted his, you could see he he looked exactly like the 70, whatever year old man that exactly, right?
SPEAKER_01:So um so come back to self-care. So self-cam, I'm not talking at the kind of face job. Sure, do I go for facial? Yes, I do. Do I put my face the mask at night for auto skincare? Of course. I mean, those are the the routine, which is like personal hygiene, you know, in that sense. But the self-care goes beyond just the superficial, also your exercise. How is it? You know, in in Singapore, you see, uh, it's easy to get helpers, all right, domestic helpers. So you see, the helpers will bring the dog out, which the dog needs their exercise, but then the employer will sit in front of TV and not move, or they're too busy, all right? They're too busy at work, too busy, too busy. You don't want to care about this body.
SPEAKER_02:No, that you know when they care is when the doctor is like you're we have to do open heart surgery, or you only have this amount to live, or what the the best is oh, I didn't realize I was a hundred pounds overweight, or I didn't realize eating a large pizza every night was bad. It's like really and what world did you think that was normal?
SPEAKER_01:Exactly, exactly. You know, I exercise five times a week in the morning, all right. So this morning is early, it's 9 a.m. that we started, all right? Singapore time. So I wouldn't have that sort of time to do my usual 45 minutes, but I still do stretches and stuff like that for 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_02:It's better than none, nothing. All right, the person will be like, Oh, I I couldn't go to the I can't go to the gym for an hour, so then I won't do anything. Well, five minutes, 10 minutes. Exactly. If you're moving forward in your life, you're always progressing. But if you have every excuse and you're there, you you zero progress equals zero progress.
SPEAKER_01:I ever have this stretch band, right? So there are times like I'm waiting for my client, and I said, Oh, I have time. I just do the stretch band and I do four sets of this and that, right? And they feel good, you don't hunch back, you know, you have a good posture, and that is so much fulfillment because you are doing something for yourself, you know, you're doing something for yourself, and and then when you look at yourself in the mirror and you and you walk and and you get the sort of compliments, perhaps, you really feel good, not because of the ego, but because you have the self-respect that you're doing something for yourself. That's so fantastic.
SPEAKER_02:Now, do you do all your clients in Singapore or do you have clients all over the world? Because globally, globally.
SPEAKER_01:It's easy. Like like now we can talk in Zoom, right? Okay, exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, okay, because yes, I I love that. I I love I love everything that you your service you offer. Because usually people think that coaching means let let's make an ink, let's increase profitability, and there's more to life than that. Yes, there's that, but once you unlock, once you free someone, they can grow. But if you're if you're feeling burnt out, you're feeling all these things that you that the seven things, how how can you grow? How can how can your business grow? How can anything grow when when you're tied down?
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. Absolutely, absolutely. You know, so when you are good, when you're feeling good, then it's so easy to give. When you're not feeling good, there's no capacity, there's no mental capacity to give. Because it's just like, you know, ah I'm lack of oxygen. How can I how can I even do anything, right? So same thing when you are all good, in a sense of all good, of course, we are a fair share of challenges, and that's fine. It's called life, just deal with it. Um, but if you live properly, think properly, forget about the ego self, but then coming back to your own authentic self every day. It's you know, we are leaving heaven on earth.
SPEAKER_02:Well, well, sometimes we create heaven no matter the situation, but most of the time, people create hell. Yes. Hell on earth, hell on earth is what you make. All right, it's all a mindset, exactly. Nancy, absolutely, I can talk to you for hours and hours, and I know you're a busy person. So, how do they find you? Because this this is something to me, the way to be more is actually to do less, to be in touch with your inner self.
SPEAKER_01:Sure, absolutely right. Easy to find me if you go to any social, right? At ad life coach Nancy Ho. I whether Instagram, you know, you just search at life coach nancy, or simply just Nancy O Singapore. You can find me easily, or my net my email is very easy to remember. Nancy at nancyho.co.
SPEAKER_02:You look at that. She's been on, she's an influencer. Just follow her. It's free information. I you can watch it, it's amazing. And she she's always has the perfect hair and and all the reels, looks amazing. And you'll see that she looks way younger than what her actual age is, and just that simple fact I would make me want to do it if I if I was if I had any of those symptoms. Now, also that this is one I always like to ask just a final question. But for you for you, I just wanna just one tip since you love to help people out. What's one something that we can do right now with just a little shift that can create a better us?
SPEAKER_04:Stop breathe.
SPEAKER_01:Stop just breathe. Get that silence inside and something will come. Alright, the very basic thing. In fact, it's not the one time thing. Time and again we gotta do that. I do that. I have to stop breathe, check it.
SPEAKER_02:And you're you're grounded, especially if you're feeling any negative emotion, whether it's anger or you're anxious, you have anxiety or fear. If you you start breathing, the universe comes, everything starts slowing down, right? And then you will yeah, you'll make a decision from power and not from emotions. Exactly. Nancy Ho, woman is on fire. She was even on Dr. Phil, and now she's on my show. I'm thank you, thank you for everything. Thank you for the hour, and I love you, and I want to see the whole world shift for the better because of you.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you.