What If It Did Work?
What If It Did Work?
Earned Wisdom, Real Returns
The loudest voices promise easy money; the real builders talk about gates you forgot to latch, early alarms, and math you can check. We sit down with Aaron Chapman, a former ranch hand and underground miner turned EVP and author, to unpack how real estate investors actually create durable wealth without getting played by hype.
Aaron breaks down why “cheapest” is often the costliest mistake, and how skilled operators and smart lending choices change outcomes when markets turn. We go deep on the compounding advantages of 30-year fixed debt: stable payments, rising rents, steady appreciation, amortization, and the sneaky tailwind of inflation. From the Taco Bell index to a one-ounce gold lesson, he shows how a $200K property with 20 percent down can outperform the flashier plays that dominated from 2019 to 2023. If you’ve been tempted by syndications promising double-digit returns, you’ll hear the risks, red flags, and the case for controlling the asset you own.
Beyond the numbers, we dig into the habits that separate winners from wishers: get up before the day kicks you, build your foundation before you buy, and choose prevention over cure. Aaron shares the comeback from a life-altering motorcycle crash, the client who found a path to retirement with ten rentals, and the faith that reframes adversity as training rather than punishment. His new book, Redneck Economics, captures these lessons with vivid illustrations and straight talk designed to move you from internalizing the noise to externalizing your plan.
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I never told no one that my whole life I've been holding back. Every time I load my gun up, so I can do for the stall. I hear a voice like you are.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, everybody, another day, another doll, another one of my favorite episodes, my favorite podcast, because I'm biased. It's my own podcast. What if it did work? And I've got with me, I would have to say, a rock star. Today's guest is a definition of earned wisdom. Sitting down with Aaron Chapman, executive vice president, North American Financial Corp. And someone who's been in the finance world long enough to see markets rise, crash, recover, and repeat. Same lessons until people finally get it through their thick head. But what makes Aaron's story different is where it started. Before mortgages, before real estate finance, before leading at a high level, Aaron worked the kind of jobs that build grit, cattle ranches, oil fields, and even underground mining. And after a serious motorcycle accident that changed his life, he ended up pivoting into mortgage industry and building what most people only talk about building. He's known for thriving in the complicated loans and helping clients ranging from first-time buyers to the serious investors building long-term wealth. So if if you've ever wanted to understand how lending really works, how real estate investors think, and how to build wealth without getting played by hype and headlines, this conversation is going to be a master class. Aaron Chapman, welcome to the show, brother.
SPEAKER_02:Whoa, brother, you put a little English on that that just made it a little bit more awesome, man. So if you want to write my bio from now on, you are invited.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, I that that's the only thing that I got out of college. That and how to talk to chicks. And well, how to sell. How to sell, dude, because that that's the number one thing, man. Communication. Communication is key.
SPEAKER_02:Brother, and you know what's really what's really hard is everything you're saying is true, but when we're talking about it by of ourselves, it's harder to say. So having a man like yourself that's got that background, got that style, got that capability to put that little bit of extra in it. And it's not a lot of extra, it's just enough. So thank you. I appreciate that kind of an intro, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Well, brother, you're to me, you're a stand-up guy. Because there's especially in social media, there's two types of people there's uh those that have results, and the majority of people that that are Instagram famous, that are social media famous, that drive around and rent rented cars and rented mansions at an Airbnb and film shit and film bullshit and sell a lot of bullshit.
SPEAKER_02:It's amazing how much is out there, and we get this vibe that these guys are kicking ass. And like, wait a minute, how are you pulling out? You're 21 years old. You ain't you'd literally have your balls haven't even dropped yet, but you're you showing the office, and then you come to find out it's like, hey, it's well, it's a fake it till you make it world. Like, no, it's not because in the world that we grew up in in the Gen X world, dude, it wasn't a fake until you make it easy. The second you fake it, people take you down.
SPEAKER_01:But brother, Aaron, you're gonna love this. Fake it till you make it, right? Would you want okay? You're getting on a plane, it's someplace hard to fly, full of mountains, Vale, Colorado, steamboat, small towns like that, small airport, and you're like, oh man, this pilot's gotta be good. So, how long have you been doing this? It's like, uh, well, you know, I'm I'm pretty new, but I've been killing it, man. I've been killing it on simulators, but don't worry, this is my first flight. To me, that's fake until you make it. Do you want to put your hard-earned money into somebody? It's like all those kids. You said it best, some 21-year-old guy's gonna tell me how to how to live a life and be my life coach. It's brother, you haven't even fucking fallen more than once or twice in your life, man. What are you gonna teach me?
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. You know, and I I used to do rescue for the sheriff's office. You mentioned the motorcycle accident. Prior to that motorcycle accident, I was a marathoner, I was a rock climber, I'd ride mountain bikes, race, that kind of stuff. Then when I got my my ability to walk back, my ability to think back, my ability to move back, I went to work uh for the sheriff's office. I ran their technical rescue unit, and we got in some ugly, ugly shit. And you wanted to know for a fact the the person that was flying that bird that's come to get you out of the nastiest stuff because you're completely exhausted, out of resources, if they couldn't pick you up, you were dead out there. You want to know that guy was not faking it until he made it. You want to know that guy had to fly in through through a flurry of fire and all kinds of things because he's gonna get you out of the worst situation of your life. So we've been there, I've been there a lot of times, and God bless those guys that suffered through the the mishaps and the mistakes before they can get to that point where they need to get my ass out of that mess.
SPEAKER_01:Oh man, when somebody needs a helping hand, you know, you don't look at that person and you're not like, so who did you vote for? What's your net worth? Where did you grow up? Are you from the city? If someone's saving you, you don't give a fuck what their background is. You don't you don't give a shit what their sexual orientation, if they're a believer, what their religion is, you just grab on.
SPEAKER_02:And you don't care what the cost is. That's the other thing. You know, in the business that I'm in, people are like, what's your rate? What's your cost? But guys, you're gonna go through some stuff in the market, you can go some things in the economy. There's some stuff that's gonna happen. You're gonna make some decisions. If you're basing it all on cost and what person quoted you, it's a good chance you're gonna lose a lot of things if you're going off of that. I can't put a value on the on somebody's skill set to get me out of something nasty. And that's what we bring to the table as far as me and my team. I've been doing this for 30 freaking years, man. 27 of it has been helping investment investors do real estate transactions. We've seen a lot in the cycles, and it's not just those cycles, it's a whole lot just in life. From from birth till now, there's been a lot of things that have happened in my existence. And I'm here to just share it with people and help them understand that yeah, we've had a lot of things smoothed out in the world, the way that things have happened to our economy, the way things have been padded, but it can get pretty ugly really, really fast.
SPEAKER_01:I hear Aaron, this is something because you know, everybody wants to get into real estate, everybody loves to hear about it because they see the reels, they they hear someone talking about it in the water cooler. But here's your elevator pitch. For someone meeting you for the first time, how do you explain what you do in just like one sentence? One sentence, or two sentences, man.
SPEAKER_02:I'll give you a little bit of a question. That's the problem with me, man. I'm a lengthy talking some bitch. So if a person said, Hey, what do you do? It's like say, um, so I I finance investment real estate. That's I have 30 years of doing that. Are you interested in real estate? And that's where I leave it and let them tell me from there. Um, because when it comes to that kind of stuff, really, that's how I generate revenue and is financing real estate. But a person wants to know what I do, what it what I'm about, I'm a people collector. That's what yeah, I believe we leave this world with three things. I used to say two things. Three, it's how you deal with things, the relationships you built and the experiences that you have. That's it. And if I could let that person know, I want to be able to develop a quick relationship, find out there's an experiential opportunity here. That's it. Uh outside of that, I'll help you get where you need to get if you want to get involved in the real estate. But I want to be able to build some sort of relationship with somebody cool really, really quick.
SPEAKER_01:Aaron, how come people always talk about that, though, bro? Um, costs, they always want to go to the cheapest. Why, why, why do people always believe the cheapest is better? When we all want to live through premium instead of just like Kmart instead of Sears. Look, look where they're at these days. Oh shit, they're not there.
SPEAKER_02:The reason I think they go cheapest is because that's the easiest way to separate. It's a laziness, is what that boils down to. Because if you have to define what value is, it takes a deeper dive to understand the value from one to the other, right? But if you can go online, you can say, hey, this is the cheapest thing, I can get that really quick. The decision making is really, really easy. Humans have developed an enmity towards thinking. Nobody wants to think anymore. People want the decisions made for them, they want the simplest choice, they want to be able to get from point A to point B the fastest. There, our attention span is down to three seconds. That is the easiest way for them to sort. It's kind of like in the real estate investment world, it's all about what's my cash flow? What's my cash on cash return? People fail to realize what generates the most wealth in investment real estate is the is how well can you finance it. Paying cash for something is not going to generate a lot of wealth. Being able to leverage it, take in money and be able to distribute it over multiple properties, that's where wealth is created. And we have to sit there and take a person on the phone and extract out of their mind what they've been taught, set that on the shelf and take them through a mental exercise and math equations to bring them to a point where they feel more confident and comfortable about what's going on in the economy today and equip them to be able to find the right deals today very quickly and very easily rather than just looking at, hey, how about my cash flow? Because in the in the economy today and in the in the real estate market today, cash flow is actually going to put a person in a position most time of complete loss because all the other factors are going to tax your val your real estate portfolio. The cash flow is all is not even going to keep you afloat.
SPEAKER_01:Now here's something too that it's not new, but do you see a lot of people just saying maybe uh maybe I'll just start investing in in these uh crowd crowdfunding, like like you know how like Grant Cardone and oh yeah, all these different uh what what's syndications is what you call that. Yes, yes, syndications. He's one, but there there's one that's a real te mogul. I can go down the list of all these places. I I mean full disclosure, I've invested in all of them. All everything just like everything in life, there's pluses and minuses. But uh I mean I would rather go your route uh with you because I'd rather be the captain of my destiny than have someone else, a corporation or anybody else running my finances, man. Because they're only a couple deals from having me suffer. So I if I if I'm gonna learn, I'd I'd rather someone you said it best, we're Gen X. We were taught how to swim by throw that motherfucker in the pool, man. He's gonna learn how to swim. Not these, hey, there's a three-month you know, swimming lesson class here.
SPEAKER_02:We'll save you when you're unconscious, but not until that's how we learned, man. That was an interesting world that we lived in, you know. And we're talking about those syndications. It's not that I'm not in some, right? I'm in a couple myself. But what I caution people with that is when it comes to investing, you want to control the asset, you want to control the hard asset in investing. The problem with investing in ideas and syndications, you're investing in the individual or group of individuals' ability to operate that. There was a craze that happened like 2000, I'd say 2019, 2020 on, up until about 2023, with really just a short window of time, four or five years, where people started creating these funds. Now, these guys were good operators in the real estate space or in other spaces, but they decided and they found a way that we can create a fund. We get a fund where people invest money in with us and we'll take it, invest in these opportunities and we'll grow it at 12, 13, 14 percent. But what I'm finding is the majority of those have never paid back. In fact, people have lost all of it. Because just because a person was great at operating a real estate business or operating some other business doesn't mean they're great at managing other people's money. What it did is it created more opportunity for things to go into, but they got to hear more pitches, they got to hear more things that people were cooking things up, and so their need to provide that 12, 13, 14, put them in a position to have to listen to a lot more, a lot more things being pitched to them, deciding what sounded the best and pitching it on and deciding on the fly. I'm hearing a lot of people losing money and losing it a lot, not just a little, but a lot because they're trusting, hey, I'm gonna get 13% return or 14% return. That's not awesome. Well, what they failed to realize is that buying a single family home, putting 20% down and making sure it can stay reasonably rented for the entire time you own it, you can raise rents like two to three percent, and it'll appreciate at least two and a half percent per year, you will make 20 to 30 percent return on your investment, period. Because you're only putting a fraction down. So you start stacking it all up. And what's really, really sexy about it, what people don't understand, you get to raise rents on this asset, but does the lender get to raise the payment because of inflation? No, no, they accept the exact same 200 or same dollar amount for 360 months for the next 30 years, but but but they don't understand what inflation is doing to the US dollar. And I'm gonna ask you, Omar, what's inflation doing to the buying power of the US dollar?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, dude, it it's shit. Uh cash is trash, especially those that put it in the underneath their mattress or their pillow or put it in their their checking account at the point zero zero two percent return.
SPEAKER_02:It's complete trash, and you're 100% right in that. So, what I like to do is take people back 30 years ago. 30 years ago, it was actually 31 years ago. I walked into my very first taco bell. First time I was I was I was 19 years old. I could get a off their value menu two crunchy tacos, two bean burritos, and a drink for a dollar ninety nine. Do you know what that shit is today?
SPEAKER_01:Uh dude, uh 20 something bucks.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's yeah, well, where I'm at, it's 14. So where you're at, it could be easily 20 bucks. Have they gotten bigger? Uh, I would have to say sometimes even smaller. Even smaller, exactly. And did somebody just discover they were a superfood and that's why they're so expensive? No, it's because a dollar has dropped that much in value. If you go back to 1888, I'm holding right here an 1888 gold piece. It's one ounce of gold. It was minted for 20. It said 20 bucks on this on it. Is it the same as this?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:Can I buy this ounce of gold with 20 bucks?
SPEAKER_01:No, man, because the twenty dollars was made with the Xerox machine. We we've we've been spraying you know what you know what this costs right now. I no, uh I'm sure a lot, man. How much? 40,$4,600.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.$4,600 for this ounce of gold, and this is supposedly$20. In 1920, I could take this, I could buy a hat, a suit, a tie, a shirt, a pair of socks, and a pair of shoes. I can't buy my socks with this some bitch. Now, the lesson here is to let people know what's happening with the US dollar. It's swung just in the Taco Bell index, almost 800%. So the reason I bring that up is if we're talking about a 30-year fixed mortgage, which would I help people get for that with their LLCs. You can buy a house with your LLC, finance it for 30 years, pay the bank the same, raise rents, get the appreciation, get the tax benefits. When you factor that all into it, you're paying back the bank less than what you borrowed. And if you want to know that equation, all you got to go is go to your app store, get the QJO investment tool, which is the quit jerking off investment tool, reach out to me and I'll show you how to use that. We recalculate the US dollar. It shows that you will buy a house for$200,000, you'll finance$160,000, you'll pay$402,000 in payments. But when you recalculate what you're giving back with this, you're actually paying$154,000. You're paying back less than what you borrowed. So we're here talking about numbers and business, but we had we were gonna chat about something else, right?
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna discuss your book, man. Of course, of course.
SPEAKER_02:This one bitch, right here. Go ahead, brother. You want to introduce it? Now you don't have your copy yet. I know I sent it out, and we're talking we're dealing with the US mail, man.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I I I dude, trust me. I I did the the Cliff notes. I know you you sent me a copy, but what I did too, because you know, uh I I downloaded it, so I I did a quick run through it. Okay, everybody. Aaron's a little modest here. Redneck Economics, unconventional success by talk by taking the beaten path by Aaron B. Chapman.
SPEAKER_04:So that right there, how that started.
SPEAKER_02:I was not looking to write a book. I was sitting in an event where the keynote speaker was a man by the name of Robert Allen. You know that name?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:So Robert G. Allen was and when people, when you think about OG real estate, people think Robert Kiyosaki, which God bless him for thinking of that. But if there wasn't an Oprah Winfrey, people will be thinking Robert G. Allen, because that guy, Kiyosaki's a badass, he's got great theories. Robert figured out how to apply that stuff and really get some traction. That guy got a lot done. He was the keynote speaker, and I thought he was going to talk on investment real estate. I'm like, this is my guy, right? Because that's what I do. But he talked about writing a book. He talked about the top 10 mistakes people made. I'm like, oh shit, I wrote some other stuff. I published other stuff, but everything he said, I made I made that mistake. So I got connected with him, said, Hey, can you help me bring these back from my old publisher and redo them? He goes, Nope, I've talked to you long enough. You're gonna write something else. I'm like, I don't want to write something else. I already wrote some shit. Let's just fix that. He goes, Nope, you're gonna write something else. So we sat down on a Zoom and we worked out an outline. It took me five months, and I wrote this 13 chapters of this. And then when I was done, Robert's like, you need to illustrate this book. I'm like, Do you have an illustrator? He goes, No, all my books have never been illustrated. I'm like, Well, what do you suggest? He goes, Find an artist. I only know one artist, that's my brother. And so if you look on the book, it says illustrated by Eric J. Chapman. I called him up and I said, Hey, do you illustrate books? He goes, I did that one time and it's miserable. I'm like, Can you at least read my book and tell me what ideas you have? He read it, he read the manuscript and goes, I'll illustrate this book. So what we did was he decided this was his call. I said, You got full car blanche, bro, because I have no idea what to do here. And he took like the illuminated manuscripts, the old um religious texts, and he put a redneck twist on it. So here's where he he illustrated the foreword, and it and you can't see it here. You can't appreciate what's going on with this man. Significant. So he illustrated every chapter with this major, major amount of artwork from every every chapter. So we thought we were done with 14 images, right? So there's chapter two. 14 images he did where what he did is he'd read it and he would paint the scene of all the stuff that stood out to him. And then I um trying to find an editor. In the process of finding an editor, I had people that wanted to literally cut up my words and really sterilize it. And I was like, that sucks. So I called another friend of mine who's a very well-known author, uh Alan Stein Jr. I was like, hey, do you have a good editor who's got balls? It's like, what do you mean? It's like every editor I talk to right now wants to bastardize my book. He goes, Call this guy. He could he did an introduction via text. We talked. I shot the guy a copy of the of the manuscript. He got back to me, he goes, I'll publish your book. Like, what are you talking about? Turns out he was the CEO of a publishing company. But he's like, Um, but we want more art and I want your face on the cover. I'm like, I don't want my face on the cover, but we went back and forth, and next thing I had to call my brother and it's like, bro, guess what? We got more art to do. He had to paint the cover front and back, and another three to four pictures per chapter. Took us three years of artwork, and we're finally published. And so I've got over six figures tied up in this book before it finally got released because it was that important to me to get this information out there.
SPEAKER_01:This is my question to you, because everybody has that aha moment, that clarity. Aaron, when did you realize what was the moment that you're just like, I'm not just doing loans here, I'm building something bigger.
SPEAKER_02:The best moment I can refer to in that was when I had a client that when I call her up all the time, just to, you know, because it there was always problems with her loans. She was having it was not the easiest client in the world. And one time she told me, you know, every single time you call me, it's always some problem, right? And like, I'm not trying to be that guy, I'm just trying to help you get a deal done. And then one day it popped in my head. It's like, you know, I'm just gonna call her out of the blue. So I just called her out of the blue. She goes, What's wrong? I'm like, nothing. I'm just checking in on you. She's like, seriously? Because you're really just calling me to check on me. That's it. I said, You popped in my head, I thought I'd check on you. And she started to shed tears. She goes, I appreciate you calling and checking on me. And one of the things that's interesting, she goes, it's interesting you call today because I was thinking about earlier. She goes, I didn't ever think I would have a shot at retirement. She goes, I am a social worker for the state. She goes, I thought I'd do this till I died. Because of you, I have a shot at retirement because I have 10 houses and they're all cash flowing and I'm doing extremely well and I have hope. That was when there's an aha moment to me. And there's been others, but that was the biggest aha. That us checking in on people and saying hey and caring enough about them just to say hey is a big deal to people. Because they look at me as being very, very busy and not having the time to check on other than other than. When I need something from them. So I made it purposeful that I check on people now and again just to see how they're doing and thank them for the trust. The other is being able to give a person a shot at something they never thought possible. I have we have a responsibility to use our experience and our knowledge and the best we can give to make sure people can achieve more than what they thought possible by themselves. If we're in this for our pocket, then I think we're gonna have to answer to a higher power someday.
SPEAKER_01:Well, we all do, but dude, think about how powerful that is that you changed that woman's uh legacy, you you changed her path completely, you expanded her vision. Uh you know what it's like that she said pretty much you know what I thought like I was gonna be one of those old people working like at Disney World or at the grocery store or greeting at friggin' Walmart at 80 something, uh saying, What did I do to get here? And man, there's there's two types of people. And you you see the happy old guy that you know he's just doing it because he's bored as hell. But a lot of times when you see that that the other person that that has that, like, oh shit, look.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they don't it's it's a matter of choice. Yeah, it could be two people doing the exact same job, different doors of Walmart. One guy's happy to say hey because otherwise he's bored out of his mind. The other's like begrudgingly having to say hey to you because like I don't have a choice in the in this matter.
SPEAKER_01:It's either this or cat food.
SPEAKER_02:It it's all about choice. I think that's what it boils down to. People want to have the freedom of choice, and when you take the freedom of choice away from a person, they are locked into a life of misery, not because it's a miserable existence, because they don't have the right to choose or the ability to choose whether or not they're miserable or not miserable.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I love about the book, underlying, and this is because most people love to play victim. Most people love to say, you know, it's biorhythms or uh uh Mercury retrograde and luck. Uh but overline, man. Your book says it's not about luck, man. It's not about being looking good, polished, it's about friggin' hard work, man. Ownership, faith in God, Jesus Christ, and just to follow through with what you're saying you're gonna do, do it and do it well on a consistent basis, and shut the fuck up and do the work.
SPEAKER_02:It it's coming to the terms of ownership that it's all on you. It really is. We can blame other people and try and take the onus off us, but it doesn't change our circumstances. It really doesn't. The only thing that's gonna change your circumstances is you actually doing something about your circumstances. And what again, it gets back to choice. If you're standing at the to at Walmart greeting people coming in, you feel like you have no choice, life is miserable. But if you choose to go to Walmart over Home Depot, over sitting in your in your lounge lounge chair and watching TV because there's only so much shit to watch, and deciding you're gonna go there and be and enjoy talking to people, again, it's choice. Getting off your ass is choice. We are all handed this some circumstances that that suck. What you do with those circumstances is 100% up to you. What I've also uh decided in my life is we deserve absolutely nothing. You got to earn every damn thing. And if you believe you're deserving and you haven't received, then you'll become a bitter asshole because you think somebody else is getting something you deserve it. I hate when people say it must be nice. And I put that in the book right there, and I think in the first chapter and the first page.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's like I hate when somebody says that.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly, because they haven't paid the price. There's there's not a single thing that I have that hasn't was not uh created with some sort of form of pain. Period.
SPEAKER_01:Well, even rock bottom is a gift from God, man. Because you're gonna get off your fucking ass because you're you're you're you can't go any lower, dust yourself off and go, hey, I have to get out of this. And and to me, we we we all have that, and what a lot of times so people, especially with luck, you know what? Life isn't fair to begin with, you know. Your your last name and mine, we're not Vanderbilt, we're not Rockefeller, we're we're we're not Kennedy, we're not JP Morgan, you know, that that's called life, man. And you're right, we get we got all certain cards. Some people got a better deck, but you know what? You you play through. And you know what? A lot of times those people with that are way ahead of you at the very beginning, they slack, man. But if you're you hustle, you grind, and you friggin' go non-stop, you're gonna beat them.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it's one of these things where your personal choices would determine how you uh how you are when everything becomes equal. You know, and let's take, you know, you just mentioned a lot of big names, right? But if everything got equal in the world, how would most of those errors of those names handle it when everything was equalized and it wasn't a bank account that made you better than somebody else? But even you didn't when you had to do your own damn dirty work. So a little bit different when the when the world gets to that kind of point. Now, will we ever get there in our lifetime? I don't know. Well, uh and there's a good chunk of those guys, they'll never experience that. But I would much rather have the life that I've had than the life of maybe one of those just because of the experiences and the relationships I've been able to build.
SPEAKER_01:Well, damn miserable, man, too. A lot of people that were given everything depressed, because they didn't earn it, man. It it's like to me, everybody always looks at the finish line at the result, but the process, man. Once you fall in love with the process, you appreciate the grind, you appreciate the hustle, you appreciate that you have to sacrifice because you have to sacrifice. We're here at B to get to C D E. We have to always sacrifice something to get to that next level. And when we get to that next level, you know, life, God, everybody, what are you gonna sacrifice? You know, a lot of times people are just stuck at comfort and like, ah, that's okay, man. I got my, you know, I got my three percent raise, which is inflation, but you know, we won't tell them that dude, that's not even inflation.
SPEAKER_02:We're like 12, right? We look back at the taco bill index, we're talking about seven, eight hundred percent, right?
SPEAKER_01:Well, when you say that here, you you remember when that badass, like fully loaded Mustang 5.0 convertible fully loaded, brand new, was like 20k in high school. Could you imagine going to any Ford dealer saying you wanted a Ford Mustang fully loaded and you're not gonna pay a dime over 19,000?
SPEAKER_02:Dude, I mean, even look at the Corvettes back then, right? It's still$20,000 to$30,000. Now it's the King Dingling Corvette's$200,000.
unknown:Right?
SPEAKER_02:So it's amazing what's happened in the short window of time that we've been alive. And when you're referencing back to those guys who have that name and have that have been able to get by based upon what they've been bequeathed, if you will, I look at that as no different than there's two different people, there's two different types of people that can take a selfie on Everest. The guys who actually climbed that some bitch and suffered and spent the years and time and energy and money to get up that with their own two feet, and somebody who can afford to take a helicopter up there. Both of them took selfies, but which one do you want to sit around the campfire with and listen to the story about?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, uh with without a doubt, man. You'd you'd want to all those old money, you'd want to hear the OG. You know, if we could go back in time and talk to these people one-on-one, man, because to to create millions of dollars, you know, they'd be like trillionaires in today's money compared to what the original guy to create would be one thing.
SPEAKER_02:The error, the great grandson.
SPEAKER_01:Were they gonna say, oh, I I I I woke up and people wiped my own ass, and you know, my struggle was uh do I take the Ferrari or do I do I take the Lambo to school?
SPEAKER_02:The only reason you sit around the fire and listen to that son, bitch, is because you want something from it. The reason you sit around the fire and listen to the guy who created it all, because you get because there's value in every word that he speaks, because the suffering he went through. Suffering is what people want to hear about because they're all going through their own. Everybody is suffering in some form or another. There's different forms of it, and there's some people that are suffering in a way they want to scream at the whole world and want you to acknowledge it. And there's others that just do it in silence and just keep grinding it out. And now and again you might get that some bitch to talk. And when that guy talks, the whole world shuts up and listens. The ones that like to scream about their triggering and their crap that is not really suffering, it's just they want the world to think that it is. Nobody's listening, everybody's pushing back, they're ignoring. It's the silent sufferer, that's the ones that people want to hear from. Those are the ones that people want to have respect for. And I'm trying to make sure that people understand they're out there and they got unbelievable knowledge, and we're and we're not listening to them, we're not seeking them out, we're not talking to them, we're not getting that knowledge from them, and they're going to pass and they won't be around much longer. There's these guys that have been around for the last 50, 60 years and longer, 80, 90 years. If you're not talking to them and they're sitting in silence right now, we're gonna miss out. They're gonna miss out on a lot of amazing information that's not gonna be there any longer. It's these noisy bastards that are renting the Ferraris and doing their doing their shit with their their fake watches on on uh on TikTok. They're getting the noise, and people are paying attention to it, and we're gonna be left with a void, a big void.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, watches and all that shit, people on two, they don't realize that it's just something that'll give you maybe a little happiness, and then you forget about it. Dude, back in the day in my past lifetime, I bought three Rolexes, but in a former life, I was a runner, so I'm always all about numbers, and so now I can only lift weights, so I'm still about the numbers. Well, this cheesy Apple watch is a lot less than any of those Rolexes. One, nobody's gonna mug me for it, which is cool. You know, I'm not gonna get stabbed for a watch, but you know, it says time even better. I I don't have to wind it up or anything, and it it tells the Rolex isn't gonna tell me, hey man, how many calories I burned, uh, how you know how many miles I've walked or anything. I mean, to me, this is more functional. And if if somebody wants to fucking say, hey man, you're a rock star because I have a Rolex or whatever, especially like a chick, like why the fuck would I want a chick to be like, well, I I I I like that guy, he he has nice things because you know, ebb and flow, you know, economy, everybody in life goes through those up and downs, and when things are going a little sideways, those people banish right at the start.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah, if that's where their focus is. Now, I'm I'm still in the watch gig, I'm still on that that side, but I like them, I love them. To me, it's being able to wear art, but at the same time, like you said, guys, I have I have it, I have a solid gold AP, I've got a titanium one of 12 uh Louis Moignet. I've wear I wear these, I've got the Planet Ocean Omegas. Do you know what it feels like to put on a solid gold Audimar Pigay freaking watch? It feels like freaking Tuesday. You can't wait to get it, but once you get it and put it on your wrist, it doesn't feel any different than the other. It's just freaking heavier. That's it. Now it's cool to wear to a thing because when I walk in and they see this bald bearded redneck wearing a chainsaw shirt and a pair of freaking hiking boots and whatever and camo, but then they notice there's an$80,000 watch on his on his wrist, and like, okay, but that's all you get out of it. That's it. It's nothing spectacular. So what I'm starting to explain with that is every achievement we go after, no matter what we put into it, no matter what. I mean, when I finally got this thing printed and I received the actual books, I'm like, okay, cool, it's printed. I had three years in this some bitch. And it was, it was, I don't want to say anticlimatic, but I've already put so much time and energy. I'm just glad it's finally out. Now I get to talk about something else. But now I'm now I'm plagued with what's next. That's what sucks about achievement. It's no different than climbing Everest. You get on top of that thing, you take a selfie, you get your ass down because it will kill you if you sit there. No different than this. I can't just write it and produce it and send it out. Now the real work begins. Now I got to promote it. Now I got to put it out there. I did the work, so I might as well do more work because there's another plateau. The plateau of writing is one thing, the plateau of getting it published is another thing, the plateau of marketing is another thing, the plateau of bestsellers, another thing, the plateau of New York Times bestsellers, another thing. Now we achieve all plateaus. I don't know. But what I do know is that the only value we get in life is going for the next summit. That's it. You can't stop on this summit. So anybody wants to go after anything, just understand you gotta you gotta suck it up. You gotta go out there, and you have to question are your balls attached, or are they there for decoration? Because if they're just decor, you might as well just sit down and be happy with doing nothing because it's gonna get tough, it's gonna get hard, you're gonna learn a lot about you, and you'll be able to feel satisfied that you at least got up every single day and fought against the shit that's coming at you.
SPEAKER_01:Now, your mindset, especially about success, a lot of that though, brother, has to have come back from your background and cattle, the oil, trucking, doing that fucking grind, right? Because that's like uh like soul gut wrenching like balls sweat sweat till your balls fall off. Like, like it's not it, it it it's like you you to me it would if I describe anything like doing any of that, probably like losing a little part of your soul, man. Because I mean that's hard work, man.
SPEAKER_02:All of it, all of it kicked your ass. There was days, I remember one that stands out really, really, really broad is my favorite days were branding days, right? We'd have we'd have a uh truckloads of cattle show up, they get dumped off down the chute into the pens, and we're just running through the pens and we're just branding them, vaccinating them, sending them out into the field, right? Well, one of the gates I that I latched, I didn't latch it entirely. And we had a bunch come through and nearly a hundred head broke through and just disappeared. We had 900 acres that they just split all over. Tall grass, swamps, you name it. And you can't just say, Oh crap, well, they're gone, right? Your day just started. It's saddle up. Three of us jumped in saddles, the rest stayed at the at the pens. We locked up what we can so they could start with it, and we were just gathering and bring them back. We were 12 hours in the saddle and we were left of one we couldn't get, only one. And it took us to rope of her and get her back in the couple days later because she was just a pain in the ass. But you just don't throw in the towel because things didn't go the way you planned. You now have to adapt, you have to put more work in. It takes a lot more energy, a lot more resources to put it to work, but you get it done anyway. Did we lose on that deal? Yeah, we lost on paper, but man, did I gain an experience? I gained a lot of experience. What did I gain? Latch the damn gate. There is a lot of what I'm learning in many, many ways, and it's constant learning, is that whole old saying, the ounce of prevention is worth the pound of cure. That little ounce of prevention was just last the gate. Double check that latch. It would have saved us several days of time in the saddle. Now, do I do I lament time in the saddle? No, but it was beat the shit out of you. I don't know if you ever spent you know a couple days on a horse, it kicked your ass.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, I've I've been uh out in California at like in high school, uh horseback riding for days. And yeah, I I couldn't imagine doing it for for a living, much less you know, doing it for a few hours every day.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, dude, and when it was when it was and we loved it when it was cattle because it was always you're always reacting. It's your your and what I loved about it is your attention is right there on what's happening. Now, when we're living in the world today, your attention scattered, you're being yanked a hundred different ways. You got this person calling, that person texting, this person emailing, that one instant messaging, you're trying to handle it all at once. When you can zero in on one thing and focus on that one thing, that to me is where I get my best rest. That's why I love to go hunting. That's why I loved uh rescue because I had to focus on all the systems right there and just getting that one thing done because you can ignore the whole world. But in our world, in entrepreneurship, one, you don't see the progress of your success. You're constantly just trying things and working at things until the deal's done, you don't know that you've actually made any headway. And you've got a dozen people at once wanting something from you. I miss those days of cattle ranching, even the hard, hard, hard shit because it was simple. I like the simplicity of stuff. Mining, same thing. You're underground several hundred feet. It's you in this tunnel. We called it, we call the drift. You're drilling a bunch of holes, you're loading it with explosive, you step around the corner, you blow that shit up, you dig it out, you support the ground, you do it again. It's simple. It was simple, but it was treacherous as all hell. It's stay alive, cycle the heading. That's all you had to do. Today, your life is very, very complicated. There's no such thing as simple in the world today.
SPEAKER_01:No, we we all want simple though. But simple, brother, it it never pays off, man. You you need the fucking work. Think about it this way that's why you always hear stories like, oh, that guy won 30, like 10 million dollars in the progressive slot poll at Caesar's Palace, or a scratch off. Or you always hear about all these stories about people going belly up, like and you're like, How did they do that? They they didn't have to earn that money, they didn't go through the process of how earning your first hundred thousand, earning your first half a million, earning your first million and keeping it. And it's the same thing with weight loss. Everybody wants these new shots and shit like that. Then once they're off, they look like they're they're contestants on the biggest loser, or you know, getting ready to eat hot dogs at the hot dog contest, they the Nathan's hot dog contest. The foundation, man, you have to understand is if it was easy, everybody have a Lambo, everybody have a six-pack, everybody have 10 million in the bank and live off the intercoastal somewhere.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, it has to be difficult. There's a ch there's a mindset that shifts. Um, it's it's one of these things where I told my kid when he got into the um into the workforce, you know, when you turned uh 17, 18 years old, went to work for FedEx. Like when you walk into your job, you need to walk up directly to the boss and say, what does it take to be the absolute best of this this particular role? And what do I do when there's nothing else to do? I said, I guarantee you'll excel because you will always be looking for some way to improve. Always improve, always improve. Be the best with the broom, be the best with everything you do. It wasn't long, he was moving along. Now he's doing very, very well, in charge of several things over at the airport in uh in uh Springfield, Missouri. He's training, he's doing a whole bunch of cool stuff. He's never had to suffer the way some that sit there doing nothing. You know, it the the habits, the character traits, the things you develop over going through and learning all these things and pushing yourself. It's a shame that we're people aren't aren't experiencing that. They're not growing in those ways, they don't know how to hang on to it. It's a it's the it's the habit that you develop to maintain your body in those environments that the shot will never give you. Now, if you couple the shot with the habits, you'll just accelerate yourself, which is fine. Go do that. But build the foundation first. That's what I do with my clients. Yeah, you want to buy houses. Yeah, you want to be a real estate mobile, yeah. You want to have all these things. Don't go buy the house yet. We've got to make sure you have your infinite banking strategy in place first. We got to make sure you have the entities in place. You got to talk to my attorneys, their national, national law firm. They'll give you a break if you're working with me. All these things. Build your foundation to bedrock before you start putting floors on your skyscraper. No skyscraper has ever been built on a four-inch slab. You got to put invest the time into the foundation. Everybody needs that. There's no such thing as success by just putting the first floor up. You got to dig to the foundation of it and find out what's what's really going to make sure that you're supported through all the tough times, the winds, the the earthquakes, all that shit.
SPEAKER_01:Aaron, you talk about the success principles in the book. What's the one habit you've seen that separates the winners from the wishers?
SPEAKER_02:Well, one is how many things you deserve. We've already talked about that. And I've got a list of them in there, and you'll find that out when you get in there, you'll think that there's something wrong. It's nothing. You absolutely don't. Nothing. Everything is absolutely earned in this world. The other, my opinion, is getting up before the foot does. And what I mean by that is, is I believe there's this unseen, ominous foot that's just waiting to kick your ass every single day. You got to figure out what time to get up. I wake up at 4 30. The reason I wake up at 4 30, I believe that the foot that's supposed to kick my ass wakes up at 7:30 every single day. If I'm waking up at 7:45 and I got to be somewhere at 8, that thing is already kicking my ass, and you're already going to be behind. You're already going to have problems. You're not giving any margin for being able to deal with anything that is that is out of the norm. Get up early, get some discipline. Discipline is an absolute necessity. So when I wake up, it's prayer, it's reading, it's working out, it's breakfast, and then it's getting ready and preparing myself, looking at the market to know what I'm starting into that day with so I can prepare my clients for what's happening that day.
SPEAKER_01:You're gonna laugh. I I haven't had a rest date at 52. And it wasn't didn't mean to do it for a challenge or anything, it just happened. Uh six and a half months of literally lifting weights. Yeah, there my my days of rest would be like going light or doing cardio, but still working out because in my mindset every day, man, I have to get better because either we're growing or we're dying. And I I don't want somebody to be like, well, holy shit, that guy looks like fucking hell. He's gonna talk to me about anything. What's he gonna sell me? Candy? What's he wait what's what's he gonna sell me? Uh uh while uh trying to catch my breath, and no, man, it's uh we discipline starts from within, man. Discipline starts uh yeah, the Globo Gyms and all these gyms are packed momentarily because everybody believes that it's a new year, new you. It's not man, because they never they haven't really decided that they haven't decided it, they haven't put it in their soul, they don't want it bad enough. They need it like it's their next breath of air, but they're like, Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, I I've only lost a half a pound. Fuck this, I'm gonna go back to bed. Maybe next, maybe, maybe the the even years, you know, if this is an odd year, maybe or or you know, whatever bullshit they say. The 2020.
SPEAKER_02:What people don't understand is that's a two-year journey, period.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:If it it you might, if that's just like saying, hey, I'm gonna walk to Chicago from Arizona, and you walk 15 feet, and I'm like, I didn't get very far. Well, yeah, because you only walked 15 fucking feet, right?
SPEAKER_05:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Have to decide that I'm going to walk my ass to Chicago. You got to plan it out, got to figure out what what route you're taking, and you just start walking. That's all it is. Keep going. Do not freaking stop. Because you have not achieved in three, four, five days doesn't mean that you haven't achieved something. You just haven't achieved the actual end goal. So just don't stop. People fail to believe, they just don't have the patience anymore. We've lost it. Stay at it, just stay at it. Who cares if you didn't lose a ton? Just get the habit and enjoy the habit, enjoy the the experience. It's just being at the gym and doing something for an hour.
SPEAKER_01:And being with like-minded people, man. You you elevated your standard by instead of being with people that want to eat at the buffet or go eat pie, you're literally in the room full of people trying to get better, trying to be stronger, trying to be faster. Those are the rooms you want to be in. You don't want to be in the room that you know everybody's at at the smoke shop buying the bong and just kicking back. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You want to be in that room if you're a self-loathing some bitch, sure. Well, yeah, that that's true.
SPEAKER_01:We we talk a lot about the softness and all that. I I've got to ask you this one because I I know you preach in the book pain with adversity. And what's your advice to someone? I'll be I'll be that person. Man, I'm tired. But I'm still not, I'm not where I want to be though, brother. I'm just tired though.
SPEAKER_02:Dude, here's the thing, I'll tell everybody I get it. There's days I'm freaking just exhausted, tired. Sometimes you do have to rest. I'm not saying you don't rest. I'm not saying you're just all charging, all go, no quit, balls out charging some bitch. Sometimes you have to rest, but you can't just stay at rest. You have to plan what's my rest and what's my move. And you have to know that I'm resting only so I can have be prepared to do this. It's never a stop and stay stopped. I don't think a person needs to run themselves into the ground. Now, when I look back on my accident of 2008, I got in that motorcycle accident in 2008, had a business that was working, things were fine. 2008 wasn't that bad for me. But August 8th came around. I was on my Harley, and then in 15 minutes into that ride, I got taken out at 80 plus miles an hour. I found myself in a hospital bed. I had an erased memory, the inability to walk, and um I didn't know how long I was going to be there. By the time I got wheeled out, I went from 190 pounds to 156 pounds. I went from a net worth of over$4 million to a negative net worth of 1.5 million. I had a memory that would recycle every three minutes, and I'd starting over again, and then I had basically lost everything. And I had to come back to a completely obliterated industry and start building again, right? Now I looked back on that and I was pushing to get back moving before my body healed. I push, push, push, push, push. I'm trying to get things done, trying to get walking again, trying to do all the things instead of just stopping and let my body heal. It took me longer to heal than it should have. It took me a lot more years than to get past all the pain and the issues than I should have if I just stayed still and let myself get past that. You're gonna have shit in your life that's going to hit you. It's gonna knock you on the ground, it's gonna whoop your ass. There's nothing wrong with getting your bearing before you get back up, but get your ass back up and start moving in some direction. The problem that most people have is when they get knocked down, they stay there and lick their wounds and cry about the fact that they're down. There's nothing wrong with healing, but there is something wrong with saying, Well, I'm here and staying stationary.
SPEAKER_04:Enjoy and take the time to get yourself well, but do not overuse that excuse. Period.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, we're all tired, man. Especially Gen X. But but you know why we're I I'd say Gen X? Because man, we've had to carry the boomers and the young people because we were originally shit on. Remember when we were in high school and college, they had all the uh when in our 20s, they had all those articles saying that Gen X, the world was going to hell, irresponsible, we sucked, this and that, and we proved everybody wrong on that one.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. Oh yeah, and you're right, we're carrying the weight of both of two different generations of us.
SPEAKER_01:I I was I wasn't being dramatic. That's a that's a fact on that one. No, I I love the book too, just based on on faith, man. I I mean, we're both men of faith. What role has faith played in your life?
SPEAKER_02:It's played one of the largest uh largest roles in my existence. Um, and there's times that I I probably didn't have the uh the focus that I should have. But as I get older in life and now I'm a grandfather and things like that, you start to understand the value of faith, especially when you're raising up others. No, I thought you were gonna say I thought it froze on me. So you didn't. So one thing that I've learned, you know, especially in becoming a grandfather, and this all kind of lead into faith as well. Because when I became a grandfather, I finally discovered what it was to become a father, to actually to be a father. I got to learn about how I should have been. Now you've got this this little this little critter, right? That you love as much as your kids, if sometimes more, but you got to have them hand them back to your kid and trust that you train them properly. Did you have, did you educate them on um on the higher power of things and how to sometimes let go and let God take control of stuff? Um, and then you got to just be just now you have to have faith in them. And it's it's an interesting dynamic to get into that particular position and understand that. And then you pretty much got to put put everything in the hands of God because you don't have control anymore. When you stop having control of the ones that you love the most, you have to put faith in the one who loves you the most. And we live in this world where we've learned that you know, we're supposed to love our fellow men, right, as much as we love God, but then love our neighbor as ourselves. But most people don't love themselves, is what's interesting. And then you get to the level of understanding you got to love yourself as much as God loves you. I'm like, wait a minute. That's an infinite love, and I don't have that for myself or anybody else. And that right there humbles you to a point of how do I develop that? How do I get to that point? And I don't know we'll ever get there in this lifetime.
SPEAKER_01:No, but something that we work on and we strive every single day. Yeah, of course it's a struggle. There's only one person can walk on water.
SPEAKER_02:It's true. Yeah, I mean, yeah, and we're we're we're sinking in the water all the damn time. Uh unfortunately. Yeah, I'm constantly, constantly sinking, it seems like, but you gotta have faith the next day that you can tread it. Because otherwise you're gonna give up.
SPEAKER_01:Giving up is dying, brother.
SPEAKER_02:You know, one of the things that I'll ask you this, I'll ask you this question. When you hear the scripture, um be still and know that I am God.
SPEAKER_03:What's the most important word to you?
SPEAKER_02:And that doesn't mean you're wrong, I'll just tell you what mine is when we're when you just when you tell me yours.
SPEAKER_01:I I would say still, because when you're still you have a hundred percent uh you know, you know that you you listen. You you know you you let God in. You you can't be doing that if you're cluttered or if you're you're going a hundred miles, if you know you're scatter brain.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. So for me, it's I and the reason I say that is when we when he says be still, know that I am God, that means you need to know who the I is. Who is God? Who is this person? Who is this this individual that I can be still because I know who they are? You know, so I tell my kids that what are you worried about? You know who your dad is, you know what's gonna happen if something goes wrong. You know when you call me, it's gonna get taken care of. You know who I am. You don't you can trust me that that I'm going to do things to your best interests. And when I tell you something, you're gonna have to suffer through that. It's not because I don't love you, because I know what's gonna be the outcome is gonna be. You got to know who I am. And I would imagine of the 51 years that I've been alive and the 29 years I've been your dad, that I've at least earned enough from that time that you would trust in what I say is gonna be for your benefit. Now, if we have an infinite being that says, be still and just know who I am and what I'm about, and you can actually be calm and be at ease and know that you can keep moving forward because you know the plan that I have for you and know what I'm planning on doing, you know the type how I built this universe and know what's gonna happen for you in the future. But we get in our head, we get anxious about stuff, we start making rash decisions and we start messing with it. All we have to do is follow the formula that he gave us. It's not that damn complicated, but we complicate it. If we uncomplicate it and understand, okay, wait a minute, we understand who this being was, these are the rules he set forth. Unfortunately, we try and separate religion from life. If we can get down to it and not look at his religion, just look at this is the formula to be successful in this existence, and follow that formula, we'll come to find out that we live the best existence we possibly can. Because it's not about the cars, it's not about the washes, it's not about the money, it's about seeking whatever it is that he has for us and having that happiness. And a lot of the time is gonna go through some suffering because when you suffer and you battle through through stuff, you find value in yourself. So don't shrink from the suffering, don't back down from the difficulties, and do not try and take the easy path. Take the path that he gave you, learn what that is, and learn who the individual was that gave you that path. Man, you couldn't have a better life, better existence, and a better way of looking at yourself and have happiness in who you would become when this is all said and done. You know, and one thing that I can definitely say, we have one example, and that example is an individual who bears the scars of service for all of us, and I don't think we can stand before the judgment bar of God without bearing the scars of service for our fellow man, because only at that point can you and I ever be called his sons.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. Brother, thank you.
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SPEAKER_02:So the sterile version is you can go to Amazon and get it, right? They got the yeah, the dollar, you can do the uh ebook. I did the audio. Uh we talked about Robert Allen, he did the audio for his forward. Dolph De Rus, who is another legend, did the audio for his afterword, and I did the audio for the book itself. And if you want to buy directly from me, I mean, I know we just talked about faith and everything, you go to quit jerkin off.com, and that is where you can buy the book directly from us. And um, anybody who goes and purchases it and they throw it a review on Amazon, we're gonna look at all the five stars, and I'm working out a deal right now to have 88 books, only 88, that have a signature from Robert Allen, a signature from the artist, a signature from myself, and a signature from Dolph DeRos. This is the only time that Dolph and Robert, even though they toured together, even though they did a lot of other things together, have ever collaborated on a book. This is the only time. So there's only gonna be 88 that have that that'll ever be released. Another thing is if you're having a difficult time taking the lessons from this book and applying it to your life, where I'm sitting right now is in the Ozarks in Missouri. This cabin I'm in right now is built in the 1800s. This is a little chapel. We're gonna be setting up an opportunity for people to be on site here in the Ozarks to create that future for yourself. It's coming, it's gonna be sometime this year, but those are gonna start opening up, and those opportunities will be for six people at a time, and that's it.
SPEAKER_01:Where can they find you, Aaron?
SPEAKER_02:Aaron Chapman.com.
SPEAKER_01:That's it. No social media, you're not gonna well.
SPEAKER_02:I'm on SGOC underscore Aaron. That's where you find me on Instagram, and I don't know the other ones. I know that you can go to YouTube is Aaron Chapman SGO C, but I don't know my Facebook, I don't know my Twitter. I got people to handle that stuff.
SPEAKER_01:He's he's follow him, and you're not leaving without this question, brother. I I always end it by being a customer, by being a client, prospect, just being a person. And this can be anybody. Oh man. Right now, I'm just I feel rock bottom. I feel overlooked, underestimated, I'm just plain tired. Aaron, what would you tell me to do today just to start winning again?
SPEAKER_04:Not to uh not to push the book, right?
SPEAKER_02:I saw somebody pick that some bitch up and read that first chapter. Read it, understand it. Look at what I'm trying to tell you to do. What you're experiencing today is literally just internalizing, you're internalizing the exterior. You need to now start externalizing the interior. And the only way to do that is to start digging deep into your mind and into your heart and know who that person is. You've got to set that plan. You've got to be able to look at that and understand what you what you are capable of doing. We are creative beings that come from a creative source that is an all-powerful source, and you can tap into that and I show you how to do it. I give it all to you in the first freaking chapter. Now, this is not from this is not for me to make money on the book. This is for me to affect some sort of change in someone's life, and then I reinforce it with 12 more chapters of reinforcement. You also have the words from other people. You got five people who read it and gave them recommendation. You've got Dolph DeRussen and Robert Allen who gave the same. You've got an artist who spent three years of his life trying to illustrate for you so you will get it. You are an amazing individual that has creative capability that has never been harnessed. If you're feeling that way, it's because you've not taken the time. One of the greatest things I've ever heard in my life was a quote that says it's a start that stops most people. It's just time to get started. Even if it's a word on a page, start and do not stop. Because I guarantee the outcome of what you create here and put down on paper is a thousand times greater than what you thought possible because you just get started.
SPEAKER_01:Amen. Aaron, thank you for the time, brother. Thank you for you. And it's very rare that I want somebody to be a repeat guest. Aaron, make sure to listen to that episode a couple years ago. But brother, you always bring the fire, you always bring the heat, you always bring knowledge, and you're like the ghost of Christmas future.
SPEAKER_02:I appreciate that, brother. Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:And hopefully I am for a lot of people in the future. I'm serious. If if you can't wake people up, then dude, I'd you know the the real ghosts of Christmas future when when it hits them, it's gonna hit them hard.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, it will. And unfortunately, the future that's being created is coming whether you whether you sit down and do it intentionally or not. That future is coming, guys. It's going to get here. And every day you waste not planning it and preparing for the beating that it's gonna be, it's gonna come and rain down on you something you don't want. So you might as well just take control over it. I'm showing you how to. Now, have I harnessed it so well that I can just create anything else in there? No, it's still hard for me, even though I've seen the fruits of it over and over again. It's still hard. It's not gonna get simple, but we can work on it together. Just don't freaking give up.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you, brother. Have an outstanding rest of your night, brother. And thank you. You too, man. Thank you. I appreciate you.
SPEAKER_02:Welcome me back on.