What If It Did Work?
What If It Did Work?
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SPEAKER_02I never told no one that my whole life I've been holding back every time I load my gun up. So I can do for the stone to hero voice.
SPEAKER_01All right, everybody, another day, another dollar, another one of my favorite episodes, my favorite podcast, because I'm biased. What if it did work? Welcome back to the What If It Did Work podcast, where we bring you conversations with extraordinary people who challenge conventional thinking and prove that innovation, persistence, vision can change lives. Today's guest is a true innovator whose career has taken him from NASA laboratories to the boardroom and ultimately to creating technology that has helped thousands of people regain confidence, which is the important thing, and improve their lives. Dr. Tamim Hamid, engineer, entrepreneur, inventor, inventor, and the founder and CEO of Therodome, the company behind the world's first FDA-cleared wearable laser device designed to combat hair loss. Before launching Theridome, Tamim held senior executive positions in global technology medical manufacturing companies, including leading a division that grew from $280 million to over $800 million in avenue, annual revenue. Also worked at Nassau's Kennedy Space Center, developed advanced biomedical and laser technologies for the Space Shuttle program and astronaut safety. Today we're going to explore innovation, entrepreneurship, resilience, leadership, and what happens when someone combines scientific expertise with a passion for solving real world problems. How's it going, Doctor?
SPEAKER_00Thank you for having me, Omar. I'm doing great.
SPEAKER_01Man, so I I what an introduction, brother. So what got you interested? I I'm we're gonna talk about the hair because every every that that's a growing epidemic. But what got you into this interest in engine engineering and technology? What like was this
Jeannie, NASA, And Big Dreams
SPEAKER_01something you always wanted to do? You always wanted to work for Nassau as a kid?
SPEAKER_00Well, it's it's funny because I come from a line of physicians. My grandfather is a physician, my dad's a physician, uh, my uncles, and then even my kids now, two of them are in med school, one's in law school. And and I was the only non-in non-in non-physician. But what what really interests me, you won't believe this, but I fell in love with this TV show called I Dream of Jeannie. And I was so in love with Jeannie, uh, which is Barbara Eden, the actress. And I I told my mom when I was like 14 years old, I go, I when I grow up, I wanna I want to go to uh NASA, and I want to go to Kennedy Space Center, I would become an astronaut, and I'll you know, I want a genie like Jeannie, right? I was flabbergasted by this actress. So that uh to be quite honest, that's the only reason I went to NASA.
SPEAKER_01That is an amazing story, brother. And and I gotta say, being uh from Florida and being to the Space Coast and Cocoa Beach now, it definitely looked way better, the Hollywood version.
SPEAKER_00Hollywood version did look better, that's for sure. Yeah, and the funny thing is, is that I finally got to meet her years later, and she, you know, the not to tell the whole story, but um, I I actually got to meet her and she presented me an award for product of the year, and she um she wanted to use my device because her hair was she was losing her hair at the time. So you know, she's 95 right now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean it it happens at that age, as well as yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, you know, she's still very beautiful at this age, and uh I uh I I still had a crush on her at 90 some years old. I think when I met her, she was like 91 years old, but she looked really beautiful and her mind was beautiful, or uh the whole thing. So, you know, when you meet, you finally meet your um uh I guess your idol or uh you know your person that you always look after. That my whole dream was about her, and uh it is something I can't describe. It just you you you just have a smile on your face uh the whole time.
SPEAKER_01And just think years ago, you would have been confused with Major Nelson, and then he was JR. And yeah, he was from you didn't know whether he was an astronaut or he was a tycoon in Dallas.
SPEAKER_00I never watched his show, but I watched everything she did, so it's more IT the G.
SPEAKER_01That's okay. We're we're we're similar age. Uh I might be a little younger, that it didn't look that interesting, anyways. Dallas. So that's right. Uh of everything, what was the most fascinating project? What the most fascinating thing that you ever had to work with in that?
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, I mean, I was hired right after the Challenger accident in 1986. So what happened was was that the Rogers Commission in Congress uh wanted to investigate the Challenger accident. So what they've came up with is like, hey, uh we need young blood because what's fascinating is that the space shuttle was designed in 1961 and 62. And so they had used old circuitry, old technology. And when I came on there, uh, was it 20 uh 20 some years later? Uh the technology was just antiquated. So uh I was hired right out of college to come in and help with the the new types of implementation of technology. And so back then uh it was interesting. And so I implemented a uh what's called uh what it what they call today AI. I would never call what we have today AI. Uh back then AI uh or the beginning of AI was called expert systems. So my master's um was in computer engineering, my specialty was in um expert systems. That was that's what we call LLMs, right? Like large language models, like uh, for example, uh JatGPT or Gemini or uh Claude. These are large language models that are very specialized only because they're connected via network. But back then in 1986-87, they didn't have any of these things. So we did everything on a computer, uh, and it was called Expert Systems. So my master's was in AI, it technically, but um, so I implemented in the space shuttle program, and it and it was really successful.
SPEAKER_01So around 1986, so you mastered the Commodore 64 and the Apple IIC.
SPEAKER_00I actually that was one of my gifts from when I did. I put my Commodore 64, my heat kit computer. I was doing all those geeky things.
SPEAKER_01Uh, my mom always wanted me to be uh have a degree in computer science. You
Challenger Aftermath And Early AI
SPEAKER_01are uh it wasn't one of those things to this day. I think I just mastered the word processor, so possibly uh on onto Word.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, I mean it starts like that, and when you look at how far we've come in our lifetime, it's just amazing how much technology, and that's why I was telling people is that uh people always ask me, hey, do you want to go forward in in life or backward in life? You know, like you want to see something in the past or something in the future. I always say, I want to go forward because a hundred and fifty years ago, you couldn't get like, for example, DoorDash or or get on Netflix and do this, or have a car that uh uh does all these features, takes you to where you want to go. Um, you know, you had to go in a horse and buggy and all these things that uh were, you know, if you got a cold, you would die, right? If you had uh maybe something, a scratch, you can lose your arm. So I don't want to go back in time. I always want to go forward in time.
SPEAKER_01That's what that's my goal. Well, as soon as we find a DeLorean with a flux capacitor, you and you and Doc Brown can do that. You can go back to the code. Yeah, that'll be fun. That'll be fun. But I I have to ask, because usually you you you went from the path of that to a path of business. Is there any lessons from the space program that still influence how you lead your business today?
SPEAKER_00Yes, actually, uh, that's a very interesting question because when I when I went from government, what the government does, I you know, you could talk about $400 hammers and all these expensive things that people complain about. Uh, but the way they teach you at NASA is all about redundancy and regulatory, make sure you do what you say and do say what you do, and you implement that. If you can implement that in your business, then it becomes, you know, not to the level of where government regulations kind of hold you down. But if you can learn from uh like the scientific protocols of NASA and implement that into business, you're gonna end up with a really good product because you're gonna be able to go through FDA, you're gonna go through the FTA, you know, FTC, sorry, and you're gonna be able to go to all these different regulatory uh hurdles with no problems. But you know, you see here people that um are doing startups and doing websites and apps, these guys are not really um disciplined to do very good work in terms of making sure that the app is working, whether it's uh doing this, it's always crashing, oh you know, there's not enough testing going on. So that's what it taught me. It taught me like out of uh if you can learn how to do things right from the beginning and implement that. Uh, I have one, for example, a good example is like I've had the same product since 2013 uh or so, uh, a little bit earlier because I had uh prototypes and betas and alphas that we cleaned. But technically, I've had the same product without any changes because it was good from the beginning. We spent like four or five years testing it, be going through all the trials, going through all this stuff, and it it feels good because right now, as you know, you go to Costco, you go all these stores, there's a new TV every day. Every time we go out to Costco, it's like, oh my god, a brand new TV. It's bigger, it's got more features, it does all these things. So innovation is is good, and but sometimes you just you you just gotta build it right the first time. If you can't, if you can do that and last as long as you can.
SPEAKER_01Interesting. Now, to me, I have to I know Terodome. Yes, I'm looking I'm looking at you right now. You don't have a hair loss issue. So, what inspired you to tackle the problem of hair loss?
SPEAKER_00Well, it was actually uh it was funny because I had like I've said that I didn't have a problem with hair loss per se. I mean, people have you know thinning going on. Oh, we all do. Look at me. Well, you you know, you get that stuff over time as you age, it's just normal. But it it was for me, it was kind of backwards. Uh, I had found uh a new type of laser. So back at NASA, just going back to where I was, my specialty at NASA was um the uh lasers. And lasers, uh there are different kinds of lasers out there, as you get as you know. Like in medical, you have these hot lasers that burn tissue, cauterized tissue, does all the stuff. That's not the kind of lasers uh I was uh brought up with. At NASA, we use lasers that's called cold lasers. These are lasers that are cold, they do diagnostic work, they do they send energy, but not uh to burn, but to stimulate. So I had come up uh after NASA, I had come up, remember I did lasers for 10 years, right? And my PhD and my uh computer engineering and all that was about um you know sending energy, whether it's uh image processing or whatever. So I did a lot of laser work. And when I did this laser work, um I found a new laser by accident, and you know, it's the same kind of laser to be quite. You know, when you lift your mouse up and underneath your mouse you see a little red light, that's a laser, believe it or not. And so I used the same technology, essentially, as that, and was able to do it for a few cents for a few uh and I can grow my own laser. So I was able to grow my own lasers, and then I figured uh it was just a great application that hair loss needed this more than any other application. I was like, how can I make lasers uh in quantity? Because if you look at a laser, you know, when you buy your laser pointer, it's one laser that you're kind of playing around with and you're shining the laser pointer all over the place, and it's it's cute, it's fun, you can chase the cat around, you can excite, uh, you know, uh bother people uh uh you know across the uh the block with lasers.
NASA Discipline And Product Testing
SPEAKER_00But this one, um, I I was trying to think of how can I get how can I use multiple lasers in one application? So uh I found a paper back in 1965 that talked about how lasers stimulate um uh the mitochondria and hair follicle. So I I implemented this long lost paper that nobody had, it was literally um buried very deep into the archives of things. And so what I did is I took that uh paper that Dr. Mester had written back in 1965 and I implemented it and with my new lasers, and lo and behold, that's what I got. I got theradum. So I literally resurrected something that was discovered in 1965 that was put away in the in the deep archives, and uh I took that out and implemented in these lasers on for a specific condition that affects about 93% of the world's population, uh, you know, in terms of uh alopecia and androgenic alopecia. Uh 93% of the people in the world that lose their hair is because of androgenic alopecia.
SPEAKER_01So then most hair loss is caused by alopecia? Yes. Yeah. I would never thought of that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so a lot of people, uh 93% of the uh of this is caused by this one fungus. So um people don't realize that uh when you have dandruff, dandruff is a leading indicator of of hair loss. So if somebody has dandruff, um it happens to be that they will lose start losing their hair. And dandruff, ironically, starts at puberty. Uh, you won't ever see uh dandruff on on children that are pre-pubescent. So after pure puberty, you'll see a lot more uh dandruff because what's happened is that uh the hormones that are associated with, for example, androgen, like males or females, it's okay. So those those those uh type of hormones, they create a lot of oils, a lot of uh secretion, which allows the um uh the specific fungus to feed on. And and when you the same fungus lives on your toes, and that's called athlete's foot. Uh the same fungus lives uh in in people's crotches because remember, fungus loves hot and uh heat and they love moisture. So in toes, when you wear tight shoes, you get fungus. Uh when you have very tight um, you know, like underwear or uh, you know, pants, uh, you can get fungus, uh, which are called jock itch or uh yeast infection, same thing. It's the same fungus. And if women that have large breasts, like D-size or larger breasts, they all have fungi underneath their breasts because it's a very hot and sweaty environment. And then the fourth place, which uh there's a lot of fungus, is on top of the head, because the head is actually uh the chimney. So if you think about all that's why when uh you have a child and you put your hand on top of his their forehead, because that's where the hottest part of the body is, and heat goes up, and that's where you um touch them to see if they're heating or not. So that's why hair loss doesn't happen on the sides, or hair hair loss only happens at the very, very top, like a chimney. So a lot of heat. And so if you cut off your hair and shave your hair, you can minimize dandruff and minimize your hair loss theoretically.
SPEAKER_01Theoretically, though. Theoretically, is this an old wives tell though, that if you wear a lot of hats, that it causes.
SPEAKER_00Um, so what you're doing is it's a physics concept that look, if you trap heat uh on top of your head and you get lots of heat and lots of because you'll start sweating, right? Heat and moisture will accelerate, especially if you're if you're allergic to that fungus. And remember, the people that have athlete's foot, jock edge, uh any kind of type of you know situations uh on top of the hair is because they are allergic to the specific fungi called malassasia fervor. And this fungi, when you're allergic to it anywhere hat, you will lose your hair. So that's so simple as that. Uh you can test to see if you're allergic to that fungi. You can go to your dermatologist and say, hey, am I allergic to malassasia fervor? And they'll do a test. And if you are, don't wear a hat. Don't wear hats. Okay, make a note of that. If you're allergic to fungi.
SPEAKER_01Or how about this one? That male pattern baldness is due, well, it's hereditary through the the genetics of the maternal grandfather.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so um, you know, when you look at when you look at um how a baby is formed, right? You have the ovum and then you have the sperm, right? And so all of the most of the DNA information is contained in the ovum and not much on the sperm, right? The sperm doesn't carry a lot of very little information, but the the ovum, these are what's called you know,
Discovering Cold Lasers For Hair
SPEAKER_00mother-based type of um um mitochondrial kind of type of transition. So if you have if you have um uh if your mom carries that gene from her mother or her father or whatever, then you are most likely to have um endogenic alopecia coming from your mother's side and very rarely on the father's side.
SPEAKER_01So the therodome. Therodome. It it it's amazing though that you're doing all this, but it wasn't mainly for you. You just saw a demand because yeah, I mean, it it's it's a worldwide problem.
SPEAKER_00Right, right, exactly. It's uh uh out of eight billion people in this world, about 50% of us will lose our hair.
SPEAKER_01Like go completely bald or just thinning?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so for women, they never go completely bald, but they will lose um right where the part line is. Women lose their hair at their part line and spreads out. Men starts with the back, usually in the crown area or in the front and meets in the middle, and that's how you get um total hair loss. And so it's much, much stronger because we have more testosterone. And testosterone, uh, there's a byproduct of testosterone called DHT. DHT. is a is it's stored actually in our testicles. So uh what it does is that um it stimulates uh it stimulates uh the hair follicles into into basically dying uh killing it so dht is the assassin to the hair follicles and it's it's all about hormones everything is about hormones hormones is responsible for everything in our lives basically well to mean you're gonna laugh i guess that explains why social media i i get all these um reels and advertisements how to stop dht with if you're on trt and i'm like they're like this they know i work out and people my so yeah i i i just watched those and i i i just wondered how uh it you know uh on on that just just because you know it says if if you're on trt oh really a byproduct is drt i see well the the the bad news is i hate to tell you this is that um there is nothing in the world that stops dht i don't care what it is and i'll tell you an example uh as you know women have um menstrual stychals every 28 days or so so there is there's about three or four different hormones that get stimulated right right around it's called PMS and especially you have estrogen progesterone uh luteinizing hormone and uh LHA uh luteinizing hormone so all these hormones are gearing up every 28 days and there is nothing you can do it changes their mood it changes their biochemistry it changes everything their anatomy everything gets them prepared for um uh having baby basically every every 28 days the body's ready to get so I can tell you for a fact that if there is something to control hormones for these poor females that go through this especially as you get then we would be a very rich person because we would be able to help these women control their hormones I don't know if you're married but or divorce girls but um you know it's very very difficult for uh people to live uh you know or interact with people that have um uh you know very active hormonal levels every month right every 28 days it's like wow uh it's very powerful so when somebody tells me that I we can control DHT with a lotion or potion or shampoo or whatever I it uh you know I kind of smell rat because there's nothing in the world that can control hormones that's a fact so if you see anything that says hey we can control hormones uh and do this DHT it's 100% fabrication so what you're telling me is don't believe everything that's on the internet yeah yeah basically and that's why lasers are lasers at theridome we don't we don't even touch DHD because we're bypassing DHD it's kind of like the the best analogy is that um you know we if if because DHT kills the cell and it closes all the front door the back door everything but we go through a window and that window is called a chromophore thank god um there is a way of light reaching a a a cell for through the chromophore and the chromophore is in thank god in every cell so we can go and give nutrients to that cell and wake it back up uh through a side window literally that's how we do it so you know you can't you can't do too too much with a a side window because you know you can't move in a couch through a side window you can't have that much influx of uh nutrients so we that's why you have to do it um uh manually like a couple times a week to do it uh in order to get the best treatment now to me somebody that your product your laser yes sir is this for someone that's losing their hair or once it's gone it's gone and there's no hope yeah uh so hair follicles never die right that's a fact so you are born with the same hair follicles that you die with the only problem is that um when you when when you start losing hair uh what happens is that the the hair follicles go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper uh and then there's a new skin that that goes on top of it have you ever seen a guy that's got really bald slick hair and you look at their hair you look at their head and they have like this shiny glow to it almost like it looks like they're they're like polishing their head. Yeah so it was wax their head yeah it's like wow why are you polishing your head? Why is it so shiny? And the reason why is that the hair follicles get buried by a new type of skin called epidermal growth factor
Dandruff, Fungus, Hats, Genetics
SPEAKER_00and the only skin that's on top has oil and sweat. So that's why the their head is so shiny because it only emits they have no hair follicles on top of it. The hair follicles have been buried deep into their um uh dermis and is not able to be reached anymore because it got suffocated and all there is is uh sweat and oil showing and that's why it looks shiny all the time. So to answer your question is that you don't want to get to that level. When you get to that level only a hair transplant works and our technology doesn't work because it can't go through uh five to seven millimeters of skin it just it just cannot do it. But if somebody's starting to lose their hair most people make a mistake and they're like oh let me grab a uh supplement let me get biotin let me let me get a shampoo let me get this well those things don't work right nothing works for that so the best thing to do is just grab a uh theridome and we have patients as you know in the puberty uh all the way to 90 some years old that wear the helmet right when they start losing their hair and those are the best outcomes when you start seeing hair fall uh and hair fall um shedding hair shedding starts right when uh your puberty but it actually there's two time periods we shed twice a year as humans we shed right around uh right before winter uh November December time frame and right around spring so though we shed a lot of hair those times so that's when you got to wear the helmet and then wear the a lot more than usual because you will it it it's just part of our lives we shed every every couple uh couple times a year now was there any skepticism when your your product came out laser I mean because like what you said everybody had these hopes I mean as far back as when I can remember there was always magic pills shampoos monoxidyl making human sacrifice to the Mayan gods you name it every everybody's everybody's tried it so for people like I mean why why why am I gonna use this product it yeah it's very funny like I was saying um uh physics is a very difficult thing for most people to understand right why is light doing what it's doing and when I first started even my dad he's a surgeon and my grandfather as well you know I was trying to explain to them as physicians what the what my new invention is to this day they still don't understand it you know because they're like how does light stimulate or you know hair growth and and all you do is have to remember one thing. So when you go in the sun if there was no sun let's say forget there was no sun forget there was no sun nothing on this planet would grow right not your not vegetables not your tomatoes not your uh there wouldn't be any bees there wouldn't be any uh nothing in this planet so the sun which is light light energy converts into vitamin D when you go out that's why it's so essential to go out every day for 20 minutes in the sun and there have been a lot of studies if you don't have sun people like living north of the Arctic Circle if they don't go out aside and there's like six months of no light and six months of darkness and six months of uh all day sun and when people don't go out for six months at a time they experience depression they have hair loss they have all these conditions there's 27 diseases associated with uh no light the vitamin D deficiency so when somebody asks me how does this work and I tell them that you know the body needs light and a specific wavelength of light is needed for for hair growth there's a specific wavelength for example uh ultraviolet um ultraviolet light is used for vitamin D, right? That's why you get that's why you have UV blockers and things like that to get not too much sun. But um when I presented this to the FDA I was the first FDA clear device to get this so when I was convincing the FDA to clear my product because before my product there was only minoxidil then finestride 1980s. So I here I am I'm trying to convince the FDA to say hey light energy will give you stimulation of the mitochondria and I had to prove that and when I proved that they gave me the FDA clearance uh for uh the third FDA clearance for hair loss so it does promote hair so monoxidyl finesteride now laser phototherapy so so this is not like biotin or castor oil or or any kind of type of onions uh that you put on your hair this is a legitimate technology that's been proven um over and over again uh we have we've had over 120 million treatments today in 57 in 57 countries and I've sold over 60 million lasers so far and I could tell you that people are like shocked right when they see it because the first thing they see is within probably seven to um two weeks three weeks their hair stops right away and that's the biggest thing I know that's gonna work for them so people are like oh my god my hair stop loose I have no more hair in the brush no more hair in the shower no more hair than you know there's no device there's no you know there's no not even monoxidal does that not even phenesteride does that we're the only uh device in the world that can stop hair loss which is like the first step then you worry about hair growth well since it was the third product yeah get an FDA clearance was it act was it a difficult process or is it a long process yes it it actually was very difficult I'll be quite honest with you uh I've had uh I've had 10 other FDA clearances before um I did this one i i I was I did um for example endoscopy systems where endoscopy systems are good you know where you put a video in the in the rectum or in the down your mouth and you can get those are easy to get because you're not really um uh sending any energy to the body uh you know you're just exploring through a lumen which is like your mouth or or uh lower intestine so uh those are easy to get FDA clearance this one was very difficult for me uh I had to do a bunch of trials and uh I literally had uh one of the trials just to give you an example uh the best type of trial uh that if you want if you want to know if anything works you know I'm just giving you the layman's uh if you want to know a clinical trial if the product works what you do is you have to do a randomized trial randomized means that you know it's not gonna be all your cousins from Wichita Kansas right it's gonna be uh uh uh like somebody coming out of a subway station like you got somebody in uh you know New York City you just grab the first hundred people coming out of the uh out of the subway and you pick them as a trial they're they're randomized uh nobody knows each other nobody uh does those kind of things the second is you do what's called a double blind that means that you have a device that nobody really knows if it's the real thing or a placebo right the placebo is when it's a fake device so and it's the person that's giving the device to the patient they don't even know if it's the sugar pill or if it's the real device. So it's double blind nobody knows anything about who's giving what right am I giving hey I'm gonna give this guy the device and I'm not gonna give this guy that device there's no such thing they don't nobody knows. And the third thing is that you have to do what's called the the placebo right the sugar pill. You need to make sure that people uh can test you you can test the real thing versus the test device versus a fake device. And then the fourth thing in the clinical trial that's very very important is that to do it in multiple locations right if you can do it in a clinic like in um you know like Orlando Florida and one in uh Chattanooga Tennessee you know uh and then one in uh Seattle and one in LA and you all four or five get the exact same uh result that is a very well-run clinical trial but unfortunately those cost millions of dollars to do and that's what I'm sure and that's what I did I I uh did the first uh double blind randomized sham controlled or placebo controlled multi clinic trial of this technology and when you do this the FDA can say nothing when the results speak for themselves not with this wearable device like do you have to wear what like hours at a time no no 20 minutes twice a day twice a week twice a week that's it twenty minutes that's it and and when do you see is it like instantaneous yeah you the first thing you see is within seven to let's say in about two to three weeks you see that you your hair stops falling out and that is huge but you know a lot of women they see that their hair is just uh I I don't know if you've been live with women a lot but they have they brush their hair a lot that take care of the hair much much better and then they have a lot of hair loss right always oh because we have shorter hair it our our hair doesn't really show up anywhere it's like it's almost like dog hair you know where we're like well unless you're vacuuming you might see something but but women because they have longer hair you can see it and so within a few uh two or three weeks that stops that's like crazy so we lose about on average a hundred let's say a hundred hairs a day that's about we have a hundred thousand hairs on your head we lose about a hundred hairs a day that's about three thousand hairs per month so about three thousand hairs per month so after like one year we'd lose about 36000 hairs so when you wear our device excuse me when you wear our device for three months or so you see that your hair is like much much furler because it it would normally you would normally lose like 9,000 hairs in three four months or three months usually and but your hair looks furler and people contact us and they go oh my God my hair has grown back. It's like no we are not growing your hair back yet because it takes four months to grow hair just like it takes nine months to grow a fetus right a baby inside a woman's womb takes nine months to grow. You can't grow a baby in four months. Yes you can but uh it's you got to have a lot of devices to uh make sure they're alive uh after four or five months but um with us uh hair starts growing back at four months so people start
Hormones, DHT, And Honest Claims
SPEAKER_00seeing new growth after four months and that's when the magic happens so about six to nine months um you know the it's I I kind of analyze it like a um the like a meadow right you have a meadow with no grass or sorry no trees and then you have a forest all the way around it so what happens is that the forest starts growing in uh and making the meadow very very smaller and smaller and small smaller and so we you know have you ever seen a if you've seen a forest it starts growing out and uh all the new seedlings and all the new tree staff they they start growing towards uh the middle of the the meadows and so you get a the meadow becomes smaller and smaller until it disappears now do you like the 20 minutes you have this on your head do you feel heat or no nothing yeah so uh when I designed this I designed it so laser because lasers are they get very hot right I mean lasers uh you've probably seen them uh they like cool temperatures they operate most of the lasers in my lab at NASA and all that we would be in uh very cold environments uh you literally have to wear your jacket because um lasers love cool environments so what I did was uh I designed the lasers so it it actually uh extracts heat all the time and you'll see I put gold behind each each laser has a 24 karat one centimeter by one centimeter uh to escape the heat and I use gold uh for every laser there's 80 lasers so it's 80 gold uh plates behind each laser and at NASA the reason the reason why we use gold is if you look in the satellites up in uh orbit you see these long arms and they're gold um they they uh the reason why we use gold at nasa is because it doesn't oxidize like copper or any other kind of type of uh you you've seen copper right do you when you have copper outside in the elements it becomes um oxidate uh oxidated and uh so at nasa we can't have oxidation uh especially when you know as you go in a non-geogrinous g geosynchronous orbit as it goes around earth what happens is that you get 400 degrees um uh 400 degrees of heat and then you have 400 degrees of cold on the other side of the sun so it actually goes back and forth and back and forth even though there's no atmosphere uh you have extremely high temperatures and cold temperatures which you have to use gold to do that so we use gold in the helmets uh uh and it stays for 1800 treatments so you can have it for the rest of your life without any oxidation so I implemented a lot of NASA um you know techniques for that which you see it pays off but I'm sure you got a lot of blowback not only from your family but co workers and friends when you decided to leave a career
SPEAKER_01not only a career but a career with NASA to go out on your own.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's uh people when you do crazy things and when you do something that people have never done before people think you're crazy right people ah that's not gonna when you invent things that would never around and then you go maybe I am doing something crazy. What am I thinking of? But when you trust the thing the three things I always rely on is mathematics in physics and in biology. Those are my three pillars of my existence right I know that they always will tell me the truth right and math doesn't lie and you probably heard that um you know uh before and biology doesn't lie we can't defeat biology we can't we can't reverse our aging we can't fix everything you know out of 6,000 diseases to mankind there's still not one disease that's been cured by trillions of dollars and implemented by pharmaceutical companies there's still 6,000 diseases we can't even cure a cold right and and so it doesn't matter what you take you can take you can uh you can have a cold and if you do nothing it'll take seven days but if you take antibiotics it'll take one week same thing it's the same yeah but but but the pharmaceutical it's what makes the world go round man by big big pharma why why you gotta invest in it is the want to cure all these all the these 6,000 no way and then physics when you look at physics everything around you is physics right what with the way we're traveling around this uh sun at you know 25 000 miles an hour and we're perfectly still uh standing and we have this beautiful atmosphere and the way everything works the uh you know like the way the moon is is moving everything around and uh causing all these weather patterns and things like that those things are true realities of our life so uh and it's um it's very interesting to go through all this and be a believer in it and that's how uh I made it through I don't know if I answered your question but yeah you did brother you did yeah yeah you're a perfectionist man but you you have to be at the you're you're a a founder a CEO worked for an asshole you you know you you you can't be working in hypotheticals or maybe it'll work right no exactly you could go to the FDA and go ah you
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SPEAKER_00know yeah maybe my product works maybe it doesn't right we shall see so well it's it's it's been interesting because um I I I was like trying to explain so I always get the same questions every time I've I presented this probably uh over a thousand times at conferences and um you know people um that uh ask me three things all the time does it really work is it safe and will it work for me all the time and then the last thing they ask me literally very last is how much does it cost right and so but people want to know is lasers on the head is 80 lasers on your head uh what you know how is it doing this is it safe and will it work for me those are the three things I hear over and over again it is it safe it goes out the window to me you know that will it give me a full set of hair yeah that that's it people think about it with cosmetics people people go through great amounts of pain right but will it give me hair if I was if I was severely balding to me I wouldn't be like I beg if this works just give it to me the price you're solving a a problem yeah you do you think if Ponce de Leon ever found the fountain of youth people would be like Ponce Mr de Leon how much no you give them the money and it's the same thing what what you get you give people is confidence you give people back their swagger no nobody likes nobody wants to look like Ron Howard yeah I mean oh oh oh I mean when I look at that he doesn't even look like opy or Richard Cunningham no not at all it's changed he totally changed he aged massively exactly so yeah I I I've never I mean we're we're gonna promote it so you know you you can discuss price but to me price is never an issue whenever someone says that's too expensive nothing is too expensive.
SPEAKER_01The only reason why something is expensive is because they don't see value in it.
SPEAKER_00Exactly because if if big pharma if if Abbott or Pfizer had had a pill that could cure me of whatever I wouldn't be like well it am I c is my insurance covered uh does it hit my deduct no you go get it and everything that you said right now to me it's a no-brainer because uh I mean yes uh I'm I'll be 53 next month but yeah I I've got thinning hair just like everybody else and that's you know 40 and above but and I I thank God every day that one I'm alive and two that I I've I've got hair but if if I had that issue I'd I'd I'd be a member way before you were uh we we'd be discussing how you know I I didn't know whether whether just to go with uh completely bald and look like uh hispanic uncle fester or you know look like the the professor with with with just hair on on my sides with the with the pocket protector no that's uh you know it when you have a device like that revolutionary and you know trying to convince people is always very challenging you know but one of the things I did I was so I was so confident that this device worked I did something that nobody else ever did was I said you can try my device for one year one year and if you don't get any results you can get your money back now how many devices or products you can go buy a fridge or anywhere um and then get give it back get your money back after one year not too many things except like if you shop at Costco maybe Costco the pretty Costco yeah you you can return a a couch that you bought like 20 years ago exactly with stains and saying you know you didn't get much buy a mask yeah you get much use out of it but it's it's funny because uh I I I guarantee it you know that you will you will not only stop your hair loss and get your money back I had to do it because a lot of people don't understand physics right they don't understand like how does light um stimulate enough of the hair follicles that you know other things don't well to mean I I have to ask this too because it seems like you always do these pivots and you find success a lot of people once they find success they don't realize you're either growing or you're dying yeah so they they choose what they believe is safety by being stagnant which is really a slow death yeah so and I what habits have contributed most to all the success so you know you're right I mean I've done a NASA I got engineer of the year exactly yeah I've got well four products uh all three were this is my fourth startup the other three companies were um uh in gastrointestinal endoscopy or in um you know clinical uh data or in cardiology but all of them were all sold and successful and that's why I funded my companies this one is the first company I've ever done all by myself the others were through venture capitalist or in you know strategic investors but this is the first one I put all my money into this one but I could tell you the the common denominator for success for me is that I try literally a thousand a thousand things uh I try in the thousand variations until it works I probably uh I know this is gonna sound cliche but a lot of it don't work out right but I don't get discouraged and I keep everything organized and make sure that I constantly uh triangulate and make sure that okay if this worked and this worked let's see what this is for example um you know a lot of um a lot of my success has been due to just trying new things all the time every day and following up and making sure that um you know was my tests that I did um is it gonna bring a better product a better outcome whatever uh the situation is and when you constantly challenge yourself to do that and never be happy somebody uh somebody uh one of the biggest critiques I've ever got from somebody was uh the this this was actually a a project manager for me she said uh oh to me we just got FDA clearance for all this stuff and congratulations and and she said and she looked at me she said you don't look too happy and I said no I'm happy I'm very happy but but look this took longer than I thought and I didn't you know I was hoping to get it like six months ago I just got it like six months too late and within a given time and a given so she uh she was telling me that oh you don't seem happy and I said it's not that I'm not happy is that I'm a goal-oriented person and if you have goals every day and and I don't care how small your goals are it could be a daily goal a weekly goal monthly goal and if you become a goal oriented person that's what I always teach people to just be goal oriented and you don't care about materialism up that there's no drama after that you all you got to do is say this is my goal and I'm going after it and teaching your kids teaching your um um you know your co uh employees teaching everybody that hey goals are essential to success and if you have no goals it is very difficult to accomplish anything you think Elon Musk doesn't have a goal his every day he has multiple goals right he has all these things because he's put triangulating everything and with the Neuralink and the Tesla and then with the SpaceX with everything he has a goal a master goal that he's trying to accomplish with transportation and then with energy you know getting the satellites a worldwide satellites all these things by Elon Musk are because of the master goal that he's trying to accomplish and you know I'm not saying I'm a Elon Musk but I have the same characteristics of goal orientation that's what all these guys whether it's Sergey Bryn or or uh Mark Zuckerberg uh you know whether he he invented the technology Zuckerberg or he didn't but he had a goal he had a goal better goal than the other people he stole from or he took the technology from that borrowed borrowed borrowed exactly sorry I used the wrong word but you know according to whatever movie you're watching but but it doesn't matter because you give him in the hands of Zuckerberg he he he did it because he's goal oriented he got everything that you want well to me the name of the show my show my favorite show is what if it did work yeah when you hear that phrase what does it mean to you personally and how has that mindset uh shaped your life and career brother well Omar I could tell you this is that when um when you have a vision and the vision is is good right so if you want to um if my vision at the time was uh when I first started this is like my goal because my dad was um uh he's an oncology in uh ENT URZ me as a third surgeon so he has a lot of patients that lose his hair there they lose their hair because of chemo or whatever and I was like at the time I told my dad I said you know what I'm gonna invent something because I couldn't I couldn't stand the way he was talking to patients every day 30 40 patients a day and they were crying and they were telling them how bad you know their situation is uh especially the C-word and and all the side effects I told my dad I go I'm never gonna be a physician because how do you do this right how do you do this every day what kind of human are you that you can stand all this misery every day that people you know he had to cut off people's noses or ears or throat where they can't talk you know
Goal Orientation And Where To Buy
SPEAKER_00just like uh what's his name Michael Douglas or or um what's that actor from the heat uh you know uh Val Kilmer Val Kilmer yeah like all these are from you know people just losing uh part of their organs and I I told my dad I said you know I'm gonna do I'm gonna invent something and this is when I was 17 I said I'm gonna invent something that I don't have to I don't have to talk to one patient and all they have to do is buy it and use it and that's all they're gonna do. And he was like well good luck you know with that kind of stuff. So so he didn't understand as a medical doctor what I meant but as an engineer I'm like hey you know today I could tell you this Omar is that when I was thinking about that I think I how can I how can I invent something that puts more hair like God puts a lot of hair on humans right he he's the he's the king of of hair making and our creator and so I want to be a very very very very distant second to that and then well you're you're there almost there almost there.
SPEAKER_01Now I soon when people think of hair growth it'll be God and then you're right underneath no no I'll be very very far underneath yeah yes but only when it I'm only when it comes to hair you know we'll we'll we'll we'll pray to him for for giving us life and energy and you know sound mind and health but then we'll thank you for the product to me personally when it comes to just that I I I would have to say you're the expert you are the leading expert laser base hair restoration there there's there's no one how do people find the product yeah buy the product because they're tired of looking like Ron Howard they don't want to wear a baseball hat anymore.
SPEAKER_00Yeah I mean there is one of the things that encourages me every day to do this is that I get probably uh a dozen emails uh uh a week from people that just thanking me every you know for uh being able to do that and the best way to was I had to write a book uh 446 pages of a book that that's called Grow Back and I always tell people um you know get the book and read it you know you can go the therodome.com that's T-H-E-R-A-D-O-ME therodome.com and at Therodome you'll see we have a special that just uh we just the first time ever we just created this special where you could get the helmet the book the hair care shampoo conditioner and supplement because a lot of people don't know which shampoo to use which supplement to take look I figured everything out for everybody that look this is all you need this shampoo because 99% of all shampoos out there are pure garbage right there are uh nasty ingredients like phthalates and and glycols and uh sulfates and all these things that could damage your hair so I created a a brand new uh thing and I have a five year warranty um that if anything happens to your helmet we will replace it for free and the coup de résistance is a free session with our trichologist doctor who anytime you have a um an issue you can call them book an appointment and they'll uh look at your blood work look at your situation and do that so we can you can go to our website therodome.com and you can buy it on Amazon you can you know next week is a good time to buy because on Amazon there's uh I think there's prime week prime week yeah exactly and so yeah a Costco you can buy it at Costco you could buy it uh at your clinics any kind of dermatology clinics we're in 2500 clinics so when you're in that many places and physicians are selling your product and they believe in it they're like I don't know how this works we didn't learn this in medical school but damn it works and just think you you proved your 17 year old self right when you told your father you wanted to create that it's uh you know it's it's one of these things when when you look at your goal and um and then you're able to accomplish it goal oriented people like us we just go to the next thing and and it's it's sad to see because it's like yeah I I got it right next what am I gonna do next so that's the curse of the goal person but yes you're right it's um it we did I did prove prove it right and uh I'm very happy for it but I have other uh other things I'm working on which are even more revolutionary which means you'll be on my show again the promotion again as well and you'll like this one you'll like the next one brother thank you thank you for the hour thank you for the time thank you for just imparting wisdom thank you on to my guest brother yeah nothing but the best I'm not saying goodbye because I know you'll be back yes so happy selling next week on Prime and you know what screw prime because if you're if you're losing your hair man do it now what are you gonna do wait for sale I trust me the faster you can implement the laser you know the better because every day counts a hundred hairs a day you're losing that's a tomorrow's never promised to any of us brother exactly already have an outstanding rest of your night thank you for really appreciate