He Built an "AI Employee" Inside a Google Sheet (And Made $80k) | A systeme.io success story

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Meet Shawn Altman, a former IBM and AT&T developer who generated $80,000 in revenue on systeme.io by building automated AI systems that outperform expensive software, all from a Google Sheet

In this episode, you will discover:
✅ How he generated $80,000 in revenue using systeme.io
✅ How he built 3 AI-powered websites hosted on systeme.io
✅ How a Google Sheet produces up to 3,000 articles a day for free
✅ Why systeme.io is perfect for testing and scaling business ideas fast

🕒 Timestamps:

🔹 00:00 - Intro
🔹 02:06 - Shawn’s background as a developer for IBM and AT&T
🔹 02:37 - How he built 3 AI-powered websites hosted on systeme.io
🔹 02:49 - How a Google Sheet produces up to 3,000 articles a day for free
🔹 03:14 - Unlocking people from monthly AI subscriptions and fair use policies
🔹 05:26 - How he saved a company and scaled it to $5 million a year in 6 months
🔹 08:39 - Why he ditched tools like Jasper for his own custom AI sheets
🔹 11:11 - Reverse engineering Google to find the words that rank for SEO
🔹 14:40 - The technical capacity to generate 250 articles in a single hour
🔹 16:38 - Why Shawn chose systeme.io for testing and scaling business ideas fast
🔹 17:25 - How to use AI to design your website section-by-section using HTML blocks
🔹 23:56 - How he generated $80,000 in revenue using systeme.io
🔹 25:18 - Using the public API to automate account creation and tagging
🔹 27:23 - Hosting training courses with over 40 videos inside systeme.io
🔹 35:45 - The Remote Control analogy for understanding APIs
🔹 52:18 - Why he describes systeme.io as the Perfect MVP
🔹 54:57 - Entrepreneurship: The gift of helping people overcome fear

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

AI or artificial intelligence is here to stay. It has become a norm for everyone's everyday activities, and people are now being able to use it, transform it, and turn it into tools that you can use off of a Google Sheets. And today's guest is going to actually share his tool that he created using AI APIs to be able to create not one but three websites on system.io. Today we will have Sean Altman talking about his sheetwiz.ai, vibesheet.ai, and asheet.com. All AI tools that you can use today. And there's no limit on how many times you can use it. Uh these micro conversations and how he is hosting them on system.io, how he is nurturing the people using it with communities, the platforms. It's a good one, y'all. If you're interested in AI, stick around because you're going to have a lot of unlocks with his material. Well, today we have the AI expert himself, Sean Altman, who has built multiple AI tools and then using system.io to present this and package it in such a beautiful way. We have three websites. Can you say the name of the websites? Because I don't want to uh mess them up.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Yeah. Hey, thanks for having me on, uh, Sean Altman here. Uh yes, we got three sites. Uh the first one, the oldest one, is about three years now. It's called AwSheet. So a-ah sheet.com. Uh then we have vibesheet.ai, which is a coding tool. And then we have just a general all-purpose one called SheetWiz, W-I-Z.ai.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

Yeah, I didn't want to uh butcher those, so I really appreciate you diving into those. And we will circle back to all of these AI tools and everything you've got. But can you give everyone a little clip notes version of your background that has led you to creating these AI tools on system.io?

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Oh gosh. Um, well, so I've been uh I was a developer for IBM and ATT. So I've been uh doing enterprise development for a while and I moved into agency work. So worked with different um uh different agencies with clients, and over the years I saw that you know a lot of people just need basic tools. And one thing that I started seeing as AI started to come out and we were starting to try to use AI, is there was the model of everyone trying to pay a lot of money per month. And so I started building all my AI tools into Google Sheets. So it you just you get it one time, you actually have access to all the code you can build into it and you can uh run it quite a bit every day. Google allows us to run them on a server for free. So you can run multiple Google Sheets. Um, so we were doing people that were buying the stuff for me for were producing like um, you know, up to like uh, I don't know, like a thousand to three thousand articles a day just through the uh the Google Sheet. And they can have multiple of those running. So all of that's been automated last three years. And so that was my inspiration. I wanted to unlock people from having to buy um, you know, like they could just pay their AI gas directly with open AI, AI, whoever. Uh, they're not locked into monthly. And then also everyone kept saying, Oh, there's uh there's no limits except we have these fair use policies. So you can't actually produce as much as you want. So this was my way to say, ah, I don't want to deal with your fair use policies. We we we our approach is unfair. Let's just do it all unfair. You can build as much as you want and go for it. So, anyways, that was the whole concept with these tools.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

Okay. And uh, you said you were a developer. And so uh is that mean that you can code? Is there a certain language that you write? And then speaking of languages, like how does that help you better understand AI and put it into these Excel sheets?

SPEAKER_00 4:05

Yeah, it's um so I can program in a lot of languages. Uh when I went to college, when we're learning a language, we're learning concepts. So the languages don't matter as much as long as you understand theory. So I can program in a lot of different languages. Um, I won't rattle them off. I can do quite a bit. Um, so what happened was I when I was working at these agencies, um you know they're kind of hectic. Um I was a tech lead on the floor, so I was uh we had a floor staff of 20 people. We had an uh all of our developers were overseas in Vietnam. There are about 70 of them. And so we had 80 clients all in Magento too for this smaller agency after I got done with IBM. And I just, you know, it was really stressful trying to be the technical person on the floor um day in and day out. And so I decided, well, I'm gonna go work for um something smaller. Like, can I just find a person that has one website that I can help full time? So I went into like a marketing role. And so while I took all of that technical ability and all that coding ability and all that talent, I went into also a marketing role, which I I really understand business as well. So I helped them uh build a Shopify store, set up all of the uh ad uh flows from Google and Facebook, and I I hired ad partners and I helped to launch them. So there was a it was a company that was during COVID that had lost a contract with GM of all things, and they were a remanufacturing company. Really bad time to lose a big contract. So we launched a launch store for them, and I basically saved their company. Um, so I got them to doing about four to five million a year within about six months to stabilize that uh that branch. And then, you know, at the same time, AI was coming out. So I took that technical ability, I took all the marketing, and I started building and automating all of that. And so yeah, it's hard to say, like, why does that all help me? I mean, it's just you know, like over time, you know, after 20 years, uh you just have enough technical knowledge, you see enough things, you understand it, you've been around long enough, you can start building. Um, but then being able to automate all that, that's the the tricky part. You have to have a mind for systems and understanding systems. And that's um, I think some of it's a gift and some of it's experience, you know. So it's it's an interesting thing. Like I can sometimes see how to do things and I just do it.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

So I I I feel like your mind is like the matrix, right? Where everything's just trying to come together all at once, and you're seeing these systems, speaking of automations and being able to map things out. And before we jumped on, we were talking about API, and then you're talking about these Excel sheets and how you're able to do, you know, thousands of things and making it you know unfair, letting people create tons of content. I am just in awe of the capability that of the tools that you have built. And so I'm trying to distill it down so we can fully understand. So now that you have the marketing experience, the coding, the programming, the systems, why your first tool? Why did you create that first AI tool using Excel Sheets?

SPEAKER_00 7:16

So um, you may not remember, or maybe you do. There was a tool now is called Jasper. I don't know if you've heard of Jasper. It was called Jarvis. And then before Jarvis, it was like content something. Like it was some generic name. They're like, we're gonna call it Jarvis, but we're gonna pretend we don't know about Disney. Um and so when when that came out, um, they had the API access to OpenAI's original API connection. Like that's how they were able to automate. And they didn't really tell anyone that they kept it under wraps, but we all figured out what they were doing. And and OpenAI really wasn't big yet. They had had not launched ChatGPT. So it was a year before they launched Chat GPT. And so my team and I were um, you know, like I said, we had launched and saved that company during COVID. And so I was like, okay, well, I want to keep growing their business. I'm gonna look at how do I do SEO on their site, uh search engine optimization with Google. Like, how do I take 4 million and how do I bring it up to $5 million or $1 million? So we looked at uh trying to launch new products and do um organic search in Google. And so we started using AI and testing, building out the sites rapidly, but also in an intelligent way where we could feed the words that needed to be in Google on our site and then use AI to optimize that with um uh with Jasper. The problem is Jasper was terrible. You would have to take one word off of a surfer integration, paste it in on the right, and then and then click, and then it would spit out a few words. That was how they originally had it, and it wouldn't just write, and it was really, really frustrating and time consuming. So what I did was I uh figured out that Google allows us to have uh code kind of like a macro, like it's called App Script. And so what I did was uh we started automating our whole process. So every time someone cuts and pastes and does this and that and runs the AI, uh once Chat GPT came out and I got access to API, I just automated the whole thing our team had been doing for a year in Jasper, and we didn't need Jasper anymore. We basically just automated our whole process. So that's kind of where it stemmed from and why I started understanding how to build in Google Sheets and uh circumvent all of the SaaS tools out there with our own tools.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Okay. So I'm gonna sit in SEO for anyone who's listening and uh really kind of dumb that down. So SEO, you you want your search, you want someone searching for whatever it is. Let's put out flower teapots, because I'm looking at one across the, you know, and you want people to buy your flower teapots. And so you want to start ranking for any word that can remotely connect with it from short, just keywords, flower teapot, to long tail keywords to alt keywords. And so, and then writing SEO-rich uh blogs or you know, articles that also, you know, lift it up. So, how does your tool do all of that? Put plug in all those keywords uh for someone to build something out like that.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

So, what I did was um there's a lot of writing tools out there, and what they do is they'll actually go out and scan Google and they they uh say, okay, well, here's the top 20 pages. And out of the top 20, all of the top 20 pages all have these same exact 80 words on all of them. So we know that if all of them have those same 80 words across 20 pages, we know that the piece of content should have those similar 80 words because you're basically understanding Google says, okay, well, if they all have those words in common, then clearly you should be able to do the same. So you have to review all the top 20 uh links that appear in Google. Not easy, right? Um so there are tools like Surfer SEO, NeuronWriter, and all these tools that do it for you automatically. And what I did was I did about three to 500 tests, maybe even closer to a thousand, of testing their system. And I would take the keywords and I would bring it into AI and we would start to develop our own prompts that would start to understand what are the list of words generally that all of these have in common, anyways, without needing their tools. So we use AI to guess and reverse engineer how Google's putting together a word. So then once I understood those prompts, uh then I started uh with Google going step by step through a uh flow using AI that would just you know scale that out. So you would you would drop in your one keyword, right? Like puppy dog training, and then my system would just start doing that. You just click go and it will go step by step for you automatically through the Google Sheet. You literally click one button and it will just go through that whole entire process. And the cool thing is you have a bunch of uh uh associated words, right? So you have puppy dog training, but you might have puppy dog training in Portland. You might have, you know, I live in Portland, Oregon. So you might have the name of your brand, you might have um, you know, uh puppy um obedience, like there's a whole bunch of related keywords. So you enter in your one keyword, we create then a hub of content, and then off that hub, then we come through and then we start rapidly going through all those prompts. So you get you get a bunch of uh single pieces of content. So you can launch, say, 50 articles um in a day, easy with that. Um actually the system can do like 250 in a in an hour. So we can 250 articles in an hour, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

Um some websites don't even have that.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Yeah, so the problem is you don't want to do that with Google because they're aware of like just massive spikes of content. Um, so we have a system where you can set it on a timer every day, and every day it'll just do one or two articles for you automatically. It's it's connected to your WordPress site, your Shopify store, and it just slowly drips out on there for you. And it's all from a Google Sheet and it's free. That's the best part. It's a you just add in your Gmail account, it'll do up to 250, uh, maybe 500 articles a day if you wanted to. Um, and it'll just, yeah, pretty wild. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:35

That is I I could keep going, but I think uh for anyone listening, they're probably like, where do I sign up? Where is it? And so where is it?

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Anyways, we have a we have a coding version too. We have a whole factory system where you can say, Okay, here's the thing I want to build. And because I learned how to do that with SEO, I said, okay, well, we should be able to do this with code. So I want to build an app that um, you know uh tracks your flowers for your flower pods you were looking at, right? So maybe I want an app that will look at what are the different types of flowers and I don't know, whatever. So you got this app idea. Um, inside the Google Sheet, you drop in your your idea, you hit go, and it will scale out the entire app for you, uh, similar to Cursor or any of those other tools out there. And we we will build out hundreds of files of code, and you can push that over to GitHub or your your web uh to your to your desktop, use Cloud Cloud to clean it up, and then boom, you could have all uh, you know, have have all your your projects done within like a couple days.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Okay, all from a Google Sheet. Oh my goodness. All right, so which website is that one on? That is vibesheet. That's the vibe, okay.

unknown 14:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

All right, I'm looking at that. Set it and forget it, and it runs 24-7. On its own.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Oh, that's the thing. So it has a ticket system. So you can say, okay, I've got these 10, I got a hundred ideas I want to get in this site. So it'll actually go through and self-regulate. It'll go through your tickets. And then when it's done, it'll say, okay, um, off of your notes, I want to keep building. So I'm gonna keep adding three tickets every couple hours. I'm gonna self-build. So it'll just keep self-building uh its own code base for you, like non-stop. It like you could leave it alone for a month and it'll keep building for a month.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

So then you come back to you know, a fully SEO-rich website, really pushing out your new, you know, puppy training facility with the all the SEO-rich words of near me, and you know, and in Portland, Oregon.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

That's a set that so you so you have the coding thing, which will build you tools, and then off sheet, which is all just content.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Wow, wow, wow. And so I'm looking at your website and I love the purple hue on the vibe sheet. So I know that was one of the things we were gonna talk about too is design. So uh we could keep going. We might circle back back to some of these tools.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Let's talk about it's a lot to unpack, by the way. You know, there's a lot here. Um, but I think there's some really cool stuff with how I use System to pull all this off and sell it all. I mean, that's the that's the big thing.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

Yeah, and I know one of the things is like your all three of your websites look uniquely different, but yet so clean and beautiful. And so I'm like, did you use some AI? Is there special coding here? Like, so let's talk about why you chose, you know, System, system.io and built it out, and you know, you have three websites hosted on it, and how is this all interconnected? I mean, spill the beans.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Yeah. I, you know, so um I really like Systeam mostly for price point. That's a big, big thing. I think it allows us to not have to spend a lot to test ideas, like that's the big thing. If you have an idea and you're not sure if it's gonna be successful or not, I think Systeam's a great, uh, affordable place to go. I think number one, that's why I picked it. Um and also long term, I'm selling basically lifetime access to these Google Sheets. So I can uh bring everyone in, and then it's super cheap to keep maintaining Systeam. So from a price points perspective, like that was the big reason, uh the big draw. And then I learned it could do a bunch of other stuff, which I didn't know. So I really wanted to grab it for the price. Um but yeah, as far as like design and kind of why I used it, um, Sisteam does have a really easy to use uh kind of what they call an inline editor. Um so if you create a page, uh you can drag and drop blocks and you can drag and drop sections. But the big thing is they allow you to drag a HTML block over. And that HTML block, you can just use AI to design out each little section of your site and then slowly go down the page one section at a time and have AI create that little section. So I wouldn't do the whole entire page in one shot with AI. What I would do is I would plan out one section at a time. That way it's easier to use. And then there is a way to create a section like your header or your footer, those are shared across the whole website. Um, and they're I they call them a master. Um, I forget exactly what the term is, but it's it's saved as a master that can that can be reused across the top and the bottom. So that's why you want to build different parts and separately, and so that's easier also to move around. Like if you're like, you know, I don't really like like I should have thought, you know, I should have put this section here and moved things around. So if you have them in slices, it's a lot easier to reorganize as you're looking at it. Um my background when I started in life, um, I when I was like five, I started doing art. So I've been doing art most of my life. I did art all the way until high school. Um, I did um, you know, and I learned a lot from that. Like even uh in high school, how we would look at I had an amazing art teacher. And part of the thing with doing art is you can be like you can have your face really close to something um and not really see what you're doing. And so what it really helps to like like here in this room, I'll go and I'll walk to that back wall and I'll look on this monitor and I'll try to take a look at what I built, like step away. Because if you're got your face up to the screen, a lot of times you're not really your brain just doesn't quite see things. Uh, it sees a lot differently if you step back. Um, so what I recommend um is actually getting away, and as you're building stuff, like try to step back, look at it, see if it still makes sense. Because you know, as we're in this mobile world when you're on the mobile device, that's sort of the same size you see stuff. So step away when you're on your desktop, and I think you'll have much better looking tools with AI and the things you're doing. So that's just a human thing I do. Um, but as far as like the technical stuff, AI is I think really great for building stuff.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Yeah. And so I'm I'm looking again, I'm uh on Vibe Sheet, and if you're at the very top, it says describe what you want, your AI developer team, and then you have like a scrolling, you know, builds it, fixes, fix it, ships it, and it, you know, like that's not inside of uh system.io that system. Yeah. So you used HTML to build out some of these websites, doing it section by section yourself?

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Yep, yep. That's all AI. So what I did was I used AI, I just coached. I said, okay, here's so what I do is I start with a really good image. So I will go to like say right now I'm using a lot of Google's nano banana. The nano banana too just came out. So our other tool called sheetwiz uh.ai, this is where that one comes in. So what we do there is you can develop a whole storyboard. And what we've been doing is we will say, okay, give me a section or a homepage UX design of this, and you can even take screenshots of the thing you're working on and give it these images that it that Google's nano banana can replicate. But basically the idea is that you want to start with a design image. So you can you want to say, okay, Google uh or you know, your prompt should be, hey, give me a section that can that you know has a title that you know has these colors, and I want these things on the page in these places. And then you build that image so you have an AI generated design. And then what you do is you take that design and you give it to, say, Chat GPT or Claude, and you say, give me the code to make this section that I'm gonna put on this site, and it will produce the code based upon that image. And you literally just cut and paste it into Systeem, and then you're you're basically building a system. site off of mock-ups, like real good looking mock-ups.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Yeah.

unknown 22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

So that so all of these are designed off of that methodology of like, you know, creating the design images with AI, feeding them into the AI to produce the code. I now have even way more advanced things that I do now, but that's the the gist of how I do the design stuff.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Okay. Wow. And I I think you just did an unlock for a lot of people I know you did for me, uh for websites that I manage. But let's uh let's talk about the actual systems that you have working on these. Like how how do people find it? How do you get your lead generations? How do you handle you know the checkout process? And then where does it lead them to? Since you're you know a man of systems, can you walk us through one system in particular that you have nailed down?

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Yeah, so I I just test a lot of different stuff. So um I will say there's two ways to approach this depending on how you want to do it. So you can run ads like Facebook ads would be what I would recommend. Facebook is a really good place to start. So uh generate an ad that builds interest. That's a whole nother thing to unquirk right like how do you do ads correctly um but anyways you get your ad and you want to send them either to a landing page that sells them the iconcept. How I've always done it is I'm not a hard sales type market like I don't send people to a funnel that tries to convince them. I I just usually send them to the web page the homepage and then I try to keep the funnels really simple. So can they go from the homepage and click to the pricing page and then from the pricing page do they go and check out so it's kind of like a three step thing. And can I take them from an ad and do that? So that is one really good way to test. When I first tested off sheet I think we spent like I want to say 25K in ads and I think we generated like 80 K in revenue through Systeem when we were testing. I know the environment got really weird with AI so we did really well for a while until something happened. And and so ads I think Facebook is a really great place to start um the the the other way to do it is um is to to have partnerships whether you have um now there is an affiliate system built in but I'm talking about like marketplaces like can you go to a marketplace like appsumo um or you know there's other there's other uh places out there that have uh you know they they basically sell to their own customers they do the payment processing and then they need to they give their uh customers a code like a like a like a a code that they come to your site and and use it to to bring into your system or with app sumo it's completely like automated. When you buy with them um we needed a way to have that uh person go to a different site an intermediate site they add in their their email that processes their um their purchase further from app sumo and then I create the accounts with Systeem so uh we use api for that and so there's some integrations you have to work through so it just depends on where you want to sell how do you want to get your traffic and it depends on how you want to uh and then and then from there you just need to figure out how do you what do you need to build to get the people into uh System and then once they're in Systeam uh we use there's tags and the tags in System um can be auto assigned depending on the situation so if you are using integration you can uh you can go to the URL and you'll see the tag number and you can actually bring that into AI and code all that out. So that's actually you can so once you have so there's the API documentation is available on Sysem. So all you have to do is go to the go to the documentation you can cut and paste it into Cloud code and it will start building uh the code for you on a server. You know I use Heroku for my integration so I have a whole um another portal that people go into to put their codes in and all that stuff. And then once they put the email then that auto sets them up on System and then Systim is sending them those welcome emails and they can come on into the things I've built. And what I what I've built in Sesteam is a training area and then we have a place to uh get those Google Sheet links. And so you just go in there you click the link uh you create a copy it's all my own private links and you get access to all my code that way so you get the links you get all the training there and everyone just flows into that training area. And so I decided to use a training area to host my code which worked out great because really it's just a link uh to a Google sheet with all that custom code and then they have training on how to do everything.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Wow so it's like a course already integrated in with you know the product or you know that they've got through the purchase and is that do you have that on a course or do you have that on like a page? Where is that inside of um Systeem?

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Yeah so once you log into Sesteam it's it through a course and um right now I think there's just one dedicated course to each project but then in that course is like multiple videos like um some of them have I think close to 40 something videos that will just teach you how to do different things. So because I go over all the features and some people are like this is too much and then others like this is amazing.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

So okay that was gonna be my next question like how much prep or knowledge do we need to have beforehand to buy a product like that to understand how the Excel sheets work? Like if you have no developing programming coding knowledge or systems or API is this really a product that you're gonna be able to wrap your mind around yeah all of these are for beginners.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

I assume people don't know anything like they're not technical they need the education my products are a lot like driving a stick shift of a car. Yeah because it's a Google Sheet you're like okay I don't really understand how a Google sheet can do everything you're saying, Sean. So there's a little bit of like a leap of faith. The other thing is you need to learn to take an API key from OpenAI. You need to learn what that means and they are the they're offering essentially the fuel or the gas right that's your AI gas. So you got to figure out where you're gonna buy your gas from and so what you do is you grab your key I'm selling you the car so I've sold you the Google Sheet which is essentially a car you're gonna get the gas you plug in your key turn it on and then um it's pretty easy there's a a a sidebar it looks like an app and there's a button that says start and there's uh videos to teach you how to use it. So you know my whole thing was if I'm gonna be able to help people I have to be able to help people that you know are not technical and I have to approach it with beginners. And the good news is we have about 2000 people in our group and I would say 50% are beginners and I've gotten a lot of feedback telling me I have no idea what you're saying Sean. So through the last three years all of that has been optimized to be just pretty darn easy to use but like a stick shift you do need to figure out how to find your gears a little bit of training but once you figure out how to do it one time it's the same thing over and over again.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

Yeah okay all right well I I think for anyone listening who might be interested they're like oh okay so someone like me who has no knowledge can definitely still figure it out and and and so you've mentioned the course and multiple you know videos so you know where do you host your videos? How how how are you nurturing your community once they've made that purchase like where's where's the community? Where's the group? Um yeah how do you manage that?

SPEAKER_00 30:05

So the onboarding works like this so you go to the home page you're like okay this looks interesting I've Sean's nuts but I'll trust him I'll buy this so then they go and look at the pricing like okay it's not too bad. And then they you know at that point if you make the purchase you get a welcome email that that then I create a welcome series inside Sisteam. There's three emails um and the the emails are generally just like you know I just want to make sure you've got what you you you know one is like here's access like Sisteam will send out an automated um uh welcome email but then I have my own three that I've made and those three are uh just inviting you to uh join the Facebook group so we have a Facebook group um you know we got about 2000 members in there right now and then we have um mostly just some hints and tricks like hey you know try this let me know if you have any problems um things like that you if we do any reviews I tell people do not give me reviews uh I say do not give me reviews right now tell me if you have any problems first if you do want to leave a review leave a review you can do it here but if you get upset or you're frustrated you need to talk to me first so I can help you and um I think that's a a subtle way to ask for review but then also truly help people. So I would you never want to just bluntly like give me a review and do this like do that like like offer something to people and then I think you'll they'll it's a lot more natural um that way I think so anyways when people come in they'll come into Facebook and then they'll they'll immediately jump into that course and the first thing that loads is a video of me showing how to click the link, how to install it and then I point out hey over here is all the trainings you can go through one at a time and we record everything in Loom. What I have learned is that in order to translate it to other languages it's better to push everything onto YouTube. And then if you're concerned about all that material getting out there for your training you can always move it to private. But YouTube will convert it for people around the world because we have people from everywhere in that group out of that that mix you know there's some are from Asia and uh some are from South America. So they want to see that translation so they can understand what on earth I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

Yeah. Okay. And you're using the the new feature on YouTube where it will do the auto captions in different languages for the regions people are in.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

What I found is you just uh upload the video and it just does it for them automatically. So there's you know yeah so when you're when you upload your video YouTube will just take care of that for you. You don't need to stress about trying to convert it to another language.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Oh oh no I it was an option in on uh my YouTube channel so that's what I was wondering and when it when it rolled out okay yeah I had no idea for for what I've seen is um yeah I've just uploaded the videos I sent it to people asking and they're like this is great I'm good yeah we uh we have over 900 videos and so there's probably about 500 that we don't have it clicked on and so those aren't doing that translation automatically yeah so that that's interesting. All right well so you're using Loom you're you know tiptoeing over into YouTube private even and and then you have your community on Facebook and you know around 2000 people so let's sit in the really hard complicated place of API yeah can you can you help someone like me who's like this sounds phenomenal but how do I connect you know um I say system uh the American version the system.io connect system to you know YouTube channels and uh like is there one of your tools can it embed YouTube videos like into like a a blog series on a podcast you know where it would you know like what can it do for me where I can really be hands-free? How how does that work?

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Yeah I was gonna uh see public oh so if you go to system dotio and you go down to the footer the very bottom I'm looking at right now under resources you'll find public API and so in public API uh this is gonna show you what you can do. Uh what I would do is oh it even tells you what is an API. So it'll explain to you um in general terms what it is. What I would recommend is if you are new and you don't really know what an API is, maybe you've heard the term you know that I what I would do is most everyone has ChatGPT or some sort of AI chat that they can use. So I would start copying and pasting these pages into chat and just ask questions. Try to understand what this means and how you can use it. And and you'll be amazed ChatGPT can help you uh figure out how you would use it right so if you don't have that experience that's okay um the big thing is you want to have something over here on this server working with you know Systeem that you have over here. And so how do you do that? We do that through API. So we do that through um you know a connection essentially so once uh so so basically um Sisteam has uh a bunch of what we call um we'll call them points to keep it simple but there's lots of points right that you can oh let me let me actually let's let's do this um think of it like remote a remote control so you know on your TV how you have a remote control right you've got buttons that can turn the TV off and on you can change the channel you've got volume buttons that remote control when you push a button is sending a signal to your TV the TV has to have code on it to understand the remote control. That's an API. So when you have your remote control and you push the the button on the remote you're telling the TV what to do through the air right through a signal. That is a a communication system right and soem has a bunch of these remote controls and so if you have your tool you're trying to push a button to get Sesteam to do something. So hey I want to push the button to create the user email right so I have my Gmail account they're brand new I have a form they're gonna fill out and when they when they fill it out I'm gonna push the button to create the user on Systeam and that that'll do it. And so you basically are learning to use the remote control to put stuff on Sesteam. And if you go through the documentation uh that's gonna show you essentially how to use remote controls. Does that help?

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Yeah I think that was a great analogy in that you also gave a runway. So like okay if you're really interested in this go to the website use your own AI tool and really start to dive into it.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

And then if they have more questions they could buy one of your tools and jump in your Facebook group right yeah yeah and the cool thing with my tools is you literally have access to all the code there are probably there's a lot of code there. So um it's literally giving you like the platform to understand all those APIs. So I have APIs to um I think over like 20 different AI companies all in there all the code and everything so you can see how all that works. You can copy and paste that code into AI and have it analyze it and you can you'll know exactly how to build stuff like really quickly.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

So yeah I would say how what you want to build depends on what you want to do. You know don't don't overthink it. Try to base what you're trying to do on reality. You know so if I know if I've got users on app sumo they're gonna they're gonna share with me the document that I need to build. They're gonna provide that to me and then I'm just using AI to code and what I did was I went to System's API page here I looked up how to do it and then just started figuring it out with AI and AI guided me through a lot of that process uh without having to overthink it.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Without having to overthink it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

So I'm gonna ask you that's good news for you as a beginner. I just want to say the good news for you as a beginner is if you can use codecs or Claude code from Anthropic and you can uh do what I just discussed it's wild what you can do and not necessarily have the technical you know you just have to have the uh the staying power right you got to stick with it get it done but if you can stick with it you'll be shocked at what you can build wow yeah I I'm already shocked and I'm like okay how can I use these tools uh so what what is the the future look like with you like how how is using the the combination of your tools and these APIs own system you know like you said testing things out how has it changed you know your life and being able to provide these tools and resources to other people yeah I think you know so I wanted to the reason I started building in Google Sheets really was to learn how AI can have micro conversations back and forth, right? Because you know we've all been using it and we've all wrote our prompt and then it responds in weird ways and we're like what is like it and so it takes a lot of time to tinker and figure out your prompts and have those back and forth. And it's been three years of that experimenting. And so the Google Sheets was a way for us to have that back and forth conversations inside of a Google Sheet and understand step by step how things work on a micro level. And what that's forced me to do is understand how to optimize uh what are now coming out as agentic systems. And so you'll have something like uh OpenClaw and OpenClaw exploded this last what two months I'm not sure if you've heard of it.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

I haven't heard of that one.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Uh so open claw you install it on your computer and it can literally run your entire computer you can hook it up to Slack and you can say hey um I want you to uh post this on Facebook and then it's like okay I'll do it and it just goes off and it starts posting stuff on Facebook for you. Yeah you can uh you can say hey I want you to build me um like a lead magnet system right there and it will just start building it out for you. So it's a little scary because it a lot of the sites out there, a lot of the SaaS are probably not you know a lot of people probably uh are a little nervous because we can start building out all the tools we need with a system that just builds itself. So the reason I'm bringing this up is that OpenClaw I think did not do it right. They um have a really giant remote control of like 800 buttons that's their prompt right they're like hey hey AI you can push all 800 buttons what do you want to do? And that means that the AI tools we have to use the most advanced the most sophisticated systems to even understand like giant massive prompts like that. Like for example when we're saying the word hello with OpenClaw it's sending um you know like 3000 or 5000 characters to the AI company as a prompt because it's sending a giant remote control. And it's done in that way so the AI has visibility. And what I learned through the Google Sheets is that you can't do that. And also I have a bunch of beginners that don't want to blow a budget. So what we do is we do micro testing across my process and we maximize it. So you're only spending maybe 30 cents for an article. You're not spending you know and that's through a whole entire process where where open claw with one prompt you could blow 20 cents just on one prompt. So people are blowing 50 bucks a day is the problem. And so the gift that I have now because I've got these Google Sheets as my background is I know how to fix OpenClaw. And so I'm doing that now. I've completely uh rebuilt it from the ground up and it's uh it's a recursive system which means that every back and forth is probably um like a fraction of a penny versus their system. And so mine will scale up and not burn through your budget essentially and still work is the big thing.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Oh wow yeah so that's the gift is I can I'm building an a completely AI driven operating system. So it just sits on your computer and it'll run your your computer for you.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Uh so don't need the VA don't need the web designer don't need the copywriter don't need all these other apps for posting content on six different social media platforms. Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:11

Start to right the big thing is you got to build all that out um you still got to build it um but I think once you spend time coding and using the AI tools to build that out you have literally your whole computer will run itself one caveat to all this is since the AI has freedom to your computer, we think of it like a person. So they should have their own dedicated computer uh from a security standpoint you don't want them on your personal computer that is a bad idea uh you want to have either a server um you know for like 10 20 bucks a month put it on there have it running or a lot of people are buying Mac minis uh because the Mac mini can stay on all the time running a lot of people are hosting their own AI language models on the Mac mini so it does not the the gas Is just like literally it's self-running. Um, they have like a free AI model. And so that whole thing, uh, because they they put on Telegram or WhatsApp or Discord or Slack, it's connected and they're having conversations through those apps to their computer that's running. Yeah, pretty wild. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

That's wild. Okay, so I can be on my phone talking to my own AI host on the computer that's in the room next to me, running on its own physical hardware.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Right. But best part is you can do it while you're at the beach drinking a margarita, watching the watching the waves, and you can just type to your phone and then go go hang out with your kids and build sand castles, then still be talking to your your your team on your computer doing stuff. I mean, that's what is that's what's coming. Anthropic just released work workstation or something like that. I forget what it is, but they they released a tool that's really similar. Um so all those like fully operated or fully uh autonomous computer systems are coming very quickly.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

Yeah. And there those are that is what's going to take certain jobs. I just got an email today that someone was talking about if you do not get on the bandwagon, you're gonna get left behind, or learn AI so you and voice that so you people know, oh, keep this person, they know how to use it, you know. So either learn how to use it correctly, you know, or diversify in a sense. I I'm my mind's blown right now, Sean. Absolutely blown.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Yeah. Well, I think I think the big thing is not to have everyone be scared, but I think um, you know, like you said, if if I could train someone to work that tool, I would just have them run it while I can go build other stuff, right? So I can still do the things I like doing, I can still be creative, I can still code and build, I can hire a VA to run that team for me. So it's like they have their own little mini team. So I feel like people should not be losing jobs. If anything, there'll be more jobs, more opportunity because they all have these systems now where we can get stuff done. Because I think uh you might be shocked, but there's a lot of big companies that we're not using all the tools and capabilities because we don't have enough people. So if we have we have we have uh automation systems that can do it, then we just need to figure that out. And that's where we're heading. So I think there's some really good, amazing things coming. I don't think people need to be too afraid of like everyone losing jobs. I think there's some opportunity coming that's big.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Okay. Yeah, I I agree with you. You know, I think you definitely hit the nail on the head there that there's a lot of opportunity helping people maximize and really use what they have at their fingertips, more efficiency. My husband's a lean manufacturing engineer, so it's all about okay, use what you already have to the max efficiency. Right. Like if it's our schedule has no white space, there is no margin that it is get up, go, go, go, go to sleep. Uh so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Well, and maybe these systems can help you in your life. You know, if you can figure out how they can automate things in your life, like coming up with food, schedules, like planning food, understanding what you're buying. Uh, if you take pictures of your kids' meals and you start to understand patterns, those can understand it. And you're doing that from Slack or from your phone, like it could learn and help you out your family. So it's, I think there's purposes for this across not just business, like your own personal life.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

Yeah. Yeah. I think you just did another unlock for someone if someone's listening, they're gonna be like, oh, I'm gonna buy his tool and I'm gonna make that tool for that for this demographic. So all right.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

By the way, um, on our group, I'm getting everyone ready. We're having these calls where um we are I'm teaching everyone what's coming. I haven't released all this yet, but everyone's getting uh ready to actually start, you know, you know, to use the thing I'm I'm building. And there's a whole marketplace behind it. Um so just to go one step further, all of those computers that have these AI systems, uh, they can build tools, put it on our marketplace and sell to other uh other agents. So we have a whole marketplace that we'll have as well. So it's an opportunity for I think everyone to make money selling tools with their own little systems. And uh I think there's some pretty big demand for it. So that's what's in our group as well, that's going on right now.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

Okay, so if someone jumps on right now, like I uh say all three of your websites, all your tools, so if they want to get into those groups, they know where to go.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

So yeah, so uh you'd so really the only way to get in is to buy. Um that's why you know with Sheet Wiz, I can do like a really screaming deal, and it would cost you nothing essentially to get in, and then you can see everything that's going on. And so we had talked about a code, I can send that to you to share. But um, we essentially would get it down to it's like 15 or 17 bucks just to grab, and it's a nice tool. Sheetwiz is a really good tool. Um, it's got a bunch of uh uh ways to create entire uh videos and chains of video and all sorts of cool stuff, and it's really easy to use. Um, but the big thing is you can come into the group and you can start understanding what we're doing. And by the way, the stuff I'm building with that uh automated operating system or the the uh you know the Mac mini that runs itself completely free. Um you it it you just install it and use it. Um, and there's ways to make money with it too.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

Oh, okay. Yeah, so we definitely want to get on that while we can. And I know we're gonna have to date set this. This is you know March 2026. You know, you don't know what he's gonna have a year from now. Uh I'm on your sheet whiz right now. So you're gonna be able to provide all the listeners here who've listened to the podcast a little coupon code that we'll drop in the description box down below. And uh there's all these amazing tools. I'm just I'm in awe.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

And yeah, what what I so that that that tool right there, you'll go and see like Higgs Field and all those other companies are charging who knows, like two, three hundred dollars a month. I just this tool just basically removes all them. So you can uh hook up your AI straight to this, and it's like basically 17 bucks, and then um you know, we're we're building out like all sorts of stuff for cheap because we're just paying the AI companies directly, we're not going through because I've looked at the pricing, they've marked up pricing like I don't know, it's like a thousand percent markup.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

Oh wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

So if you look at the pricing from AI companies and what they're doing and their tool, you're paying a thousand percent more for your fuel.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

Oh, then and and then you're utilizing their API and being able to give it at a fraction of a cost, but then also have almost um autonomy over the tool, being able to have these micro conversations instead of uh because that they're putting that on it too. Anthropic, they're putting limits on it.

SPEAKER_00 50:57

Yeah, yeah. Well, you still have to use the API. Um, but you know, the thing is, is um we we escape all the limits using API and all these smaller conversations, you know. So that's how we, you know, if you don't have a lot of money and you want to still get a lot done and you're not wanting to spend $100 a day on these tools, um, and you know, that's how we do it is we have to understand how that works and do it, you know, bite-size. And sheetwiz is really nice because it allows you to um test different models. Um, we recommend open router. Umows you access, I think, like 300 models, and uh you just need one account. And then we also recommend Kai.ai. Um and we bring those into SheetWiz and you can build whatever you want with that. So anything from images to video, all sorts of stuff. Um, and you're not having to pay these content companies, you know, quite a bit of money.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

Yeah. So oh yeah. Wow, this is amazing. So to kind of land the plane here, all the all of these websites and these tools, you are you're hosting them or being able to create the link to them through um system.io, and it's absolutely just mind-boggling and amazing. So I always try to ask everyone if you could describe system.io in one word, how would you describe it?

SPEAKER_00 52:24

Um, I would say I'll do two words if you don't mind. I'll say uh perfect MVP.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

Perfect MVP. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

So and it's just a way to test and get stuff done. Like I think it's it's good for that.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

I I love it, I love it. And so, well, you are definitely using all your skills, creating your own products, infrastructure systems. How this you're an entrepreneur, so we always like to talk about what is the gift that entrepreneurship has given you.

SPEAKER_00 53:03

Um, you know, yeah, it's an interesting thing. I think, you know, I my whole my whole thing goes back even with my family. They're all business people, and um, you know, we just want to help people. That's the big thing. Can we help people not have you know anxiety and fear and all these things? Like, can we can we uh push people along to get them to have a better life, you know? And so my family goes back, you know, many generations to farmers, to my grandfather ran a uh networking company in Kansas City helping to build out infrastructure for small businesses. My other grandfather uh developed the uh SBDC for Texas Tech. So we have the Small Business Development Center all throughout Texas that he founded, and my dad worked for them. So my whole family lineage on both sides is like helping people. So for me in life, uh my I'm enriched by helping people. So if I can leave this world knowing I helped as many people as I could, that's what matters. You know, money can only go so far, but you really need to be able to help each other uh and look back on that in life. You know, it's nice to have money, but you know, if we're helping each other, that's I think entrepreneurship, you'll do much better and be more successful if you uh are approaching it like you're actually helping people.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Yeah. That having a heart of compassion and wanting to serve uh will help you on the days that it's a little hard to, you know, like you said, sitting in the bed with Vertigo and you, you know, using AI to help you keep pushing through.

unknown 54:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:31

So for it can't be about you. That's hard, you know. It's hard.

SPEAKER_02 54:36

It it I I think it is. Uh there's uh me and my friends, uh, we like to say flip the script, being able to flip the script, not make it about ourselves. And how can we show up and help people? And it's not always easy. Some days you just don't feel like it, but you, you know, it's just putting one foot in front of the other. And it's okay uh to take a rest day, you know, and put seven to eight hours of sleep every night. Like make sure you take care of yourself because if you're you know operating from an empty cup, how are you gonna help anyone? You have to have the fuel in your tank to be able to drive the car too.

SPEAKER_00 55:08

And that's good marketing too. I mean, if you think about it, your marketing is about solving other people's problems, not your own. So you don't want to talk about yourself. Like that's not how you do ads. You just talk about what are other people trying to solve and connect with them. And that's, I think in life, like that's just what I've learned. Like, just help people. And and and I think people will appreciate that. You know, you don't want to do that hard marketing, you know, buy this, buy this, buy this. It's like, here's how you can make your life better. And I'm seriously doing it to help you.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

Yeah. And all your tools are doing that. I'm over here having unlock after unlock after unlock of a mom of five kids and running businesses online. And I'm like, I could use that one for this, and I can use that one for this. And oh, when is that one launching? Because I could use that one for this, this, and this. You know, like literally, you are going to help change lives and also cur create new jobs and create new opportunities. You know, that's what I see happening too. So I'm I'm very thankful for this interview. And I think a lot of people are going to be very thankful as well.

SPEAKER_00 56:06

Yeah, well, I um I'll just say I I really um hope that there's some nuggets out of this that everyone can get and um do something magical for themselves. I think there's a lot here that we unpacked, and hopefully this reaches some people and um they do something with the system. I think it really is a solid place for people. So, anyways, I appreciate you having me on.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

Yeah, I I I appreciate it too that you were able to get on and um we will make it through, you know, almost an hour interview here. And I'm appreciative of your time and what you're doing to help people. So, one last time, can you list your three websites and how they can connect with you and which one has the coupon code that we'll have linked down below?

SPEAKER_00 56:47

Yeah, so the coupon code will be uh it's the best deal and it won't be much. I think you'll end up paying like 17, 18 bucks, but uh it's sheetwiz w-i-z.ai. Uh the other one is vibesheet.ai. And then we also have our our OG, the oldest one, that's the ausheet.com. So that's aah sheet.com. And yeah, that was just more of a joke, but uh it's stuck. A lot of people like it.

SPEAKER_02 57:16

Really appreciate it. Uh, and I can't wait to see you know what comes from this interview and maybe have you on back in you know a year or two to see how AI has really changed the game for system.io and anyone else who's um using your tools to create more websites on system.io. Well, thank you for your time, Sean. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 57:38

All right. To everyone else, thank you for being here. And until next time, keep creating.