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What if you could trade the stress of raising 150 million dollars for tech startups for a peaceful micro-business empire that targets 100,000 dollars in monthly profit?

Meet Mahesh Kumar. After 20 years of building massive tech companies and managing giant teams, Mahesh realized that administrative bloat was hurting his work-life balance. He moved his entire operation to systeme.io to simplify his life. Today, he manages 9 domains and 22 funnels from a single account, proving that you don't need a huge team to build a global brand.

In this episode, Mahesh reveals his secrets for achieving a 60% conversion rate on order bumps and how he uses Claude AI to build high-converting funnel pages.

In this episode, you will discover:
✅ The 60% Order Bump: How Mahesh achieves record-breaking conversion rates on his checkouts using systeme.io.
✅ Ditching the Bloat: Why he left WordPress and ActiveCampaign to manage 9 domains and unlimited tags on one platform.
✅ AI-Powered Funnels: How he uses Claude AI and HTML blocks to create personalized urgency and high-converting pages.
✅ Sub-account Scaling: The moment he discovered how to use sub-accounts to compartmentalize and grow his diverse portfolio.
✅ Curiosity over Fear: Why Mahesh believes starting small and iterating is the only way to reach massive financial goals.

Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Have you ever hit the epicenter of health and wellness in tech entrepreneurialship? Well, today we are sitting down with Mahish Kumar, who has actually scaled multiple tech entrepreneurial journeys from fitness industries to pelvic floor breathing exercises and vibe coding, AI, from an office, co-working, you name it, he's probably built something for it. But today he's gonna actually slow down and give us kind of a behind-the-scenes look into his system.io dashboards, funnels, and where it all started and where he is sitting with his systems today. Can't wait to dive into this episode today and I hope you get it some golden nuggets from Mahish. Hi, welcome back to another success story with system.io. Today I get to sit down with a serial entrepreneur, tech entrepreneur, breathworks, all the things multipassionate. We were already chatting about vibe coding before we jumped on. So be prepared. This is gonna be a full episode of all things tech and entrepreneurship. Thanks for joining us, uh Mahish Kumar. And um introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

All

From traditional businesses to a portfolio of online ventures

SPEAKER_00 1:11

right, thank you for having me. Uh really excited to uh to our discussions the next 30 minutes or so. So my name is Mahesh. I live in Sweden, I come from India. I've been building businesses for the last 20 years uh in the intersection of a large industry that I know very little about with a group of people that I happen to call my friends, and uh uh a business model that has legs to it that is not linear. So that's been that's sort of been my you know common starting points. Uh so

Hard lessons from raising 150 million dollars

SPEAKER_00 1:36

20 years ago I started a gaming company that grew to six million kids, uh happened to sell it, and then started a TV company, raised $150 million, burnt all of them. I can tell you all the lessons on how not to scale a business. Um so that that was 12 years ago when I had to exit it, and then started uh Scandinavia's leading innovation and co-working house called Epicenter, which we still run and own after 10 years. Um then started a fitness company called Fitness Collection that we sold to ClassPass in the US, uh uh just before COVID, which was very lucky because if you know with COVID, all the gyms had shut down, and we had a very similar business model to ClassPass, if you're familiar with that in the US. And the last five years after COVID has been very interesting because um uh I've been sort of going leaning in a lot more on micro businesses. Uh so all my businesses until this point has been more traditional in the sense that we came up with an idea, we went out and raised capital, um, and then I built a team, uh, you know, built a product the traditional way, and then you did marketing, you know, you you know, you had customer support, customer success teams, you built a lot of in-house tech, um, and you built value in that way with the product-focused thinking. Um,

Transitioning to micro-businesses for work-life balance

SPEAKER_00 2:42

but the last five years, after been doing that for like 15 years, I realized that maybe there's another way to do it, which sort of prioritizes um uh work-life balance because I started I became a father, you know, I have my kids, I wanted to spend more time with them, I didn't want to be just traveling and being in meetings all the time. Uh so I started exploring other ways to to um you know build because I have a satisfaction or I get satisfaction building and trying with ideas and trying things. So um uh

The $100K/month goal with work-life balance

SPEAKER_00 3:08

that's how it started five years ago, and now I have a portfolio of online ventures uh where my goal is to make about $100,000 a month. Um uh very profitable, to be profitable, but to also have a lot of balance uh in my uh in my day-to-day uh with my family and with my training and my health and fitness and everything that I want to do, and my and yeah, my parents. And um uh so that's that's the quest I'm on while trying to make the world a better place, while trying to get excited about a problem that I want to solve. And I typically like to solve a lot of human-related problems. So that's around health, um, you know, things around learning, education, those things really appeal to me. And uh that's how that's how that's what I've been doing the last five years.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Wow. Wow, that is definitely the Cliff Notes version. I'm really excited to dive into all of those things and little snippets of it. Uh one question is was your background in business particularly, or was it tech and entrepreneurship, maybe a software engineer, or was it both that led you to create and scale so fast and then actually transitioned to small business now?

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Yeah, so I mean I it started off with tech. Uh being Indian, tech is mandatory. You need to know how to how to work with computers from a very young age. I think it's you know it's sort of imprinted in us. Um so I started with tech, and then I uh I realized that just tech is not um uh was not enough. So I had to transition on how to raise capital, how to build teams, um, how to how to build product, how to manage people. Uh so I've been doing that for the last uh you know 10 plus years. Um but the last couple of years, especially with the dawn of AI, uh I've gone back to my product tech roots. Um, because right now I'm I'm building with AI, which everybody I'm sure is experimenting in different dimensions. And what it has done to my to my skills, particularly, is that it's taken me back 20 years in time when I was programming in C and C sharp and JavaScript or Java back then, uh, that I'm I'm back to sort of building that way, which I find terribly exciting.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Oh yeah, I I've heard a lot of people saying we're back to where it all began. And um, I as someone who couldn't actually do coding, this is really exciting because I've always felt challenged, like my hands were locked, I couldn't do anything. And so someone like you, you're able to go on through the back end and really see the capabilities. Cause yeah. Um so it was exciting to dive in. So, with all of this happening, the transitioning, you said micro business. When did system.io fall into your lap or did you find it? Like, how did that happen?

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Yeah, I mean, it's uh I remember this pretty clearly because I was so frustrated trying to build this myself, right? Like I had a small team of freelancers that I found on Upwork. And and back then, Upwork was such a revelation because I was coming from the more traditional employee world where I had employees to take care of and they had to pay benefits and they worked certain hours. So I could find people and staff and talent on upwork so fast that it was so mind-blowing. But what I realized was that the upwork on hindsight, it was not this started in 2020, and I I think I lost I joined uh system 2023, end of 2023, early 2024. Um, uh so

Why custom coding and WordPress became too bloated

SPEAKER_00 6:04

the three and a half years or almost four years until that point, I was building a lot of custom custom work, right? I built custom funnels, I used expensive software, I used WordPress, uh, and it just kept getting bloated. Um so um either I had to rely a lot on developers to do even small changes, or if I did changes myself, it was never as good, or it always lacked features. So we were adding plugins and we were just in this mess of you know, of bloat for very little revenue. Um and that's when I realized I needed to find uh alternatives. Um, and I remember uh watching an interview, or I want to say a blog, could be an interview with Aurelian, the guy who started system, and his his whole up his whole approach was very interesting because it felt like it was trying to democratize how to sell online, but still make it very accessible. And I I like people that are trying to do things like that. Um,

Ditching ThriveCart and ClickFunnels for a more integrated tool

SPEAKER_00 6:55

because I did try uh tools like Thrivecart and ClickFunnels, and it just got it just it was not as good enough in terms of like you know what you could do, and it got very expensive after a while. Uh, remember paying, I was paying like 400-500 bucks a month after a while. Uh, and uh it didn't make sense to me after to because we didn't have that much scale back then.

Joining systeme.io and migrating his entire business for free

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Uh so that's when I found system.io and my first interaction with the support team just completely blew my mind because they offered to um first migrate my whole website and my whole uh funn structure for free if I took the yearly plan, which was just mind-blowing because they're like putting actual hours in. Uh, and then I thought this is like a gimmick and it's not gonna be good. And you know, so I didn't give them the whole website, I just gave them like a couple of pages, and it was better than what we had. And that's when I realized these guys are pretty serious, pretty serious, you know. Uh, because you meet, you know, you do you you come across a lot of websites online, you come across a lot of people online, and and you know, a lot of times you're not sure if they actually mean what they say, right? And here was an example of of the support team going above and beyond, and uh then they had this policy of replying within 24 hours, it was like two-hour reply reply times. Um, and then the guys that I was working with, they were just you know super upfront. They they gave me a lot of education, and and um uh

Zero transaction fees and the reliability of the payment system

SPEAKER_00 8:14

and then yeah, here I am. I'm I think I'm on the maximum. I pay the most I can on system, and I'm surprised they still don't take a transaction fee out of all the sales I do, you know, which is just I'm very happy to pay a transaction fee because it's so rely the system is so reliable, you know. We've never had a day where people have complained about payment issues or you know, like and that was a recurring problem we had back then because we integrated Stripe with our own checkout pages, and it was just always something going on with the checkout pages, and I don't I've not thought about those problems at all in two and a half years. Um, you know, so um I'm very, very happy with system, and that's how I came across it because I was just tired of all the bloat uh you know that we we ended up aggregating with WordPress and all the different freelancers in and out, you know. Um, and uh now I feel like I have a superpower team that is available if I need them in the support from the support staff point of view. Very, very nice help desk articles, nice Facebook community. Um, you know, so I feel um yeah, I feel very supported with system, you know. I feel like it's the backbone of our business and um it's very reliable, it works really well.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

I love that. And um, for anyone listening, I hope that you got a nugget out of that, that this is a real community, that they really care about you, they really want to see you succeed. This whole podcast is genuinely interested and invested in seeing you actually create something and succeed in it. So leaning into that, um, what you were able to build, you know, you've transitioned over. Um, at this point, would you like to share your screen? Because I'd love to explore how many websites you have, how many funnels you have, what have you built on system.io to have the success that you have today.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Sure. So parts of, I mean, I have I do some offline businesses still, and obviously they're not here completely. But um, so what you see over here is my uh online businesses. Uh, let me maybe quickly show you uh uh some of the websites. And all of them that I'm gonna show you are built on system, so nothing's outside system right now, everything is in system.

Scaling a 12-week program using automated funnels

SPEAKER_00 10:11

So uh I have a pelvic health uh online program, a 12-week program, uh where we help uh women um uh heal pelvic flow dysfunction. And this whole program uh and or sorry the whole funnel system is built on system. Uh then I have uh uh uh um an offshoot of the pelvic health program, but a specific breathing method called hyperpressives. Uh but this sorry, this isn't Swedish, but basically um this is in system as well, and here we made it um an academic institution where we teach uh teachers, we train the trainers uh to teach this method, and we do this entire funnel uh on a system. So, for example, here's a three-day challenge, um, you know, and all this over here is all system, right? So from the pop-ups to the emails and everything is on system. Um then I have um let me see, I have uh my oh, maybe this me moved, but yeah. So here we have my portfolio over here, um, uh, which is also again all these companies are built on system. Um, so I don't know, I mean I can keep going. Let's see the domains over here. Um I think I have nine domains, and that's 10 is the maximum. Um, and uh I believe I have nine. Yeah, so I have nine. So um right, I have my book domain over here. So we do events and books again for appellate flow dysfunction. That's again on system. Um we have my AI uh voice company uh which is also on system. So I mean everything, everything that I'm trying to do, you know, that has any kind of funnel or a website is in system.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Um that's uh that's kind of where so let's lean into that um and the dashboard, and you're saying like domains and your websites. Now that they have a new uh feature called websites versus the blog, because that's where people would build their blog, you know, the websites were on the blog. How have you differentiated that? Or do you build everything through a funnel and to connect it there? Like, where do you use your home page versus your landing page versus the funnels? Like, how do you build this out?

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Actually, I've just moved everything into funnels to make life easier, but I could technically have a website too because there's some static pages. So, for example, if you look at if you look at Moonrise, uh you can see I have 22 different funnels from that that has the name Moonrise on it. So let's just see what they are. So obviously, um Moonrise is making pretty good uh revenue. Um, and we need different entry points and we have different languages and and you know what have you. So so here you can see that um the home page and resources, the static pages, I'm calling them info, and this was done, this was done many like a year and a half ago, uh, with the migrations, so I've not bothered to move them into the website. They are still a funnel, but technically these things could be could become um a website page. Uh I've built them as opt-in pages, so my home page is an option page. Um so it's pretty straightforward to um yeah, just basically work with this. Um you could technically make this a website. Now uh when it comes to my funnel pages, um uh let's see, I'll show you a funnel that I really like, uh which is the webinar funnel. So um so I have the webinar registration page, and then I have the watch page, and then I have the order form, which leads to um which is the page after the webinar where people can buy.

Using Claude AI and HTML blocks to build high-converting pages

SPEAKER_00 13:30

And these kind of things are great. Now with Cloud Code, obviously I do some HTML, so I can I can I can have urgency urgency uh blocks that are much more personalized. Um you combine Cloud code with system because right now I make them as HTML blocks um and uh I generate this HTML from Claude and I have my project on Cloud Code, right? So it knows what I'm trying to do. Um and it's able to um uh yeah basically build exactly what I need. Uh and all this is obviously the system elements.

Achieving a 60% conversion rate on order bumps

SPEAKER_00 14:03

I love this by the way. This is such a big um revenue generator for us, the order bump. Um I mean, we get like I want to say 60% uh order bumps, you know, uh, which is really, really nice. And again, it's very stable, never goes down. I also love the fact that you know, as this is in Swedish and this is in Sweden, and a lot of people use CloudNow, it's like a buy now pay later service. Um and it's great system has that integration. And if you're on your phone, system has other integration with other methods, uh payment methods that make it really accessible. I see an uplift just because of these new payment methods. Um again, I've I've had to do zero development myself, right? And I had to do zero compliance work myself, which is what I used to do before, right? When we had to build things like this. Um yeah, and um then the upsell pages and the downsell pages. Let me show you an example, which is also lovely. Um I'll show you an English one.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Uh so how many languages do you have so far?

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Right now we have English and Swedish, predominantly we have some German, but mostly English and Swedish. Um here is an upsell page. Um so we do like one-on-one sessions uh for the uh for Moonrise with our pellicular physiotherapists, and um I mean just doing this is kind of you know, uh one-click offer buttons, one click accept buttons over here, um, you know, uh just drag and drop and you're done, right? Uh so it's literally that easy, and then you just customize the the design and you've created you've created a feature. I mean, obviously, these things work really well out of the box. Um

Connecting systems using out-of-the-box tagging and automation

SPEAKER_00 15:37

what I also really like about system is the automation. So um so this is the latest automation I've created. So basically, what I can do is when when when there are tags that are added, um, I want this to do certain things in my other tool that I use for delivering the product. Um, and this this is great because it connects all my systems with just a simple tagging system, and that's out of the box. Uh, I used to use Active Campaign before that, I think charged me, I want to say, uh I want to say 2,000, 2000, $300 or $400 a month, could be more. Uh and that was on like the medium intermediate plan uh to get like a lot of tags because there's like tagging limits and things like that. And there's absolutely no limits on system, right? So if it's there, you can use it. Yeah, if it's there, you can use it. Sometimes there are things that are not there, which is a different story, but if it's there, you can definitely use it, you know. There's no you don't you don't hit any ceilings, which is fantastic. Um it's like a perfect scaling scaling partner.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

And perfect scaling partner, yeah. And so uh what would you say is um uh with the sub accounts? I said you I saw that you had nine domains, and so it looks like you pretty much operate that entire business there. Like, how do you with the tags and the email marketing? So, for example, you have Moonrise Health, and then you actually have the vibe coding or the uh voice, the voice one that you just showed. How do you separate that in your email marketing if that's all in one account instead of like sub-accounts?

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Yeah, I mean, uh I connect different email domains. So over here you can see I have the moonrise domain, but of course I can change it to the breathworks domain, I can change it to the hyperpressive domain. Um so you can obviously keep adding domains. Uh, you have again, you know no upper limit up in the 10 domain limit, which I think is very, very reasonable. So if you go to emails over here, you can keep adding your domains over here and you can just authenticate a domain and you're done. Uh same with verified email addresses, you can add your own send grid API, which I've not gone that far, but obviously that's your next step. Um the only the only downside that I see is that when you when somebody purchases something through system, that email is fixed. Um so so I have a holding company for those emails. Uh so if somebody sends an email to that holding company, uh I have an AI that can then route it to Moonrise or Breathworks or whatever, and that works for me. Um and that's a simple zap. So I set it up with a zapier, um, and um it works. I mean, it's it's not the end of the world. So um it'll be lovely if you can if you can do receipts and custom emails on that level, but it's not a showstopper, to be honest. Um this is how I do the emails. Like uh I add different domains and I go into my GoDaddy or your DNS provider and you have the DNS settings, you know, you just copy-paste them. And

Why he considers systeme.io support to be world-class

SPEAKER_00 18:18

this is also where the system IO support team is very useful because um, you know, when I get stuck on things like this or the domain is not working, or you know, I just send them a screenshot and then I send them my my GoDaddy's zone file, like the entire thing, and they're like, Oh, you made this mistake, please change it here. And you know, they you get you get these beautiful emails with like screenshots and red graph red boxes and arrows, and they really care, you know, they really care. Like it's ridiculous that I don't pay for it, you know. Like it's like I I don't I don't know. I mean, you're gonna have my loyalty, which is a great way to pay for it, but you know, the the support is well class. Um I have to say that.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Yeah. Okay, yeah. I said, yeah, I was just connecting uh my recent project through Squarespace and the DNS, and so like I saw a little bit of the discrepancy, and you know, like the domain needs to be like not put into it. And so I love that classic yeah, yeah, and then learning about the different time, you know, like GoDaddy versus the Squarespace domains versus like cheap domains, they all have different terms for their values and their strings and their text and their C name, and I'm like, which one is which? And so, but they have you know all that explanation out there, so you know, maybe we could do some um explainer videos on that, but they're so available, so available. And um, I love how you were talking about the different um email addresses and connecting those as well. Do you do um your professional email at GoDaddy or one of those other places? Because I know that's one thing they don't offer.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Uh you mean uh where I buy my emails?

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Uh like the at Moonrise Health, yeah. Like, you know, it's all Gmail.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

I mean it's all Google for me right now because everything is with Google Drive and I use Gemini and so it's all Google. It's getting a little expensive, I must admit. I just finished paying a bill of like 500 euros for emails and you know, yeah, that's what I was wondering because that is yeah, the same thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

I've been seeing that that's actually a constant question in the Facebook group, them asking about that, and that's why I was in intrigued in how you separated those emails, but that is part of the scaling. But you know, if you're saving money over on the tags and the automations and the email marketing, then it's like, okay, well, but um, you know, so if anyone's listening,

The moment he discovered sub-accounts to separate his brands

SPEAKER_01 20:27

and then uh the dashboard here, have you uh experimented with the sub accounts or like what why haven't you created different the sub accounts over in the right hand corner under your profile? If you go to your face in the right hand corner, I had no idea.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Yeah, so you can then create like a whole different project. So like Moonrise Health could be one, and then the vibe coding can be one, and then you don't have to worry about the email being different. Like it's it's attached to the other.

SPEAKER_00 20:54

What happens here now?

SPEAKER_01 20:57

You can create a whole different project, and so each one of these can be their own brand.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Wow, I didn't know. That's pretty good. So what happens now? So what do you mean? Like I can move the funnels here?

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Ah so so I don't have to I don't have to mix the ah interesting. I mean, I'm I'm I'm sort of a very small one like not a one person, but almost I mean, I run everything, so it's it's the buck stops with me.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Yeah, so then this will compartmentalize things and you can also run other projects. Like you could say, hey Holly, you own a business, you can make a sub account for Holly's podcasting business, and it will be its own sub account, and then you connect all my stuff in there, and you could um I know that we interviewed someone who actually runs the sub accounts as clients.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

And then you could actually bring me in and we would work on that one together, that sub account. Like so, people are helping.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Can I move my funnelists over here?

SPEAKER_01 21:59

No, I have. Done that. I don't know. I just know that that is a possibility. But you could, you know, the sharing of the funnels is a one-click situation, but the tags is where you're gonna get caught up. But you could probably transfer it over.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

That's interesting. Thanks for the tip. Um I'm pretty happy, I'm pretty happy with uh what you have. Yeah, I'm I mean I'm pretty set with it, but I mean it's good to

Using drip access to build up engagement in free and paid courses

SPEAKER_00 22:22

know. I also do courses here, right? Like I have both free and paid courses. Um uh so let's take this free course over here. And a couple of things that are really nice is the drip access versus the full access, right? So here it's dripped, uh, which is really nice because then you can build up um I love the drip. Yeah, and then you have the paid uh full-day access, which is I think I don't know if this is a drip. I don't remember anymore, but um yeah, this is a drip as well. Um, and then you have the paid access, which is uh or one-time access, which is you just get everything in one go. Um you know, so it's pretty nice.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Um Do you have any communities inside of um System?

SPEAKER_00 22:58

No, no, I mean I do I do my own right now. Um there are a couple of things I miss in the uh community. So I have my own uh uh so this is our app uh platform, and uh we use uh we use a platform called a tool called Movement, which I also really love. Um uh and yeah, so the community is over here. Um and um so I I prefer this, it feels a little bit more modern than the system community, uh, but I've not looked at it in a while, so I'm sure things have changed. Um where is that? Assets, communities. No, I'm not so it was something to think about. Um I've not I've not looked at it, so I need to spend some time.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Yeah, yeah, no, that's totally okay. So you we have multiple domains, multiple professional emails, email marketing tags, courses, and um, and as I saw today, you're starting your own YouTube channel, um, really helping people also get into the coding and the vibe coding. What do you think is the next step for you? You know, like as you said, you're trying to scale to 100,000 a year. Like, what is the next scaling level with you know what you're building? Are you gonna lean more into the health or are you going to start educating more on the vibe coding? Like, what's next for you inside of system.io?

SPEAKER_00 24:17

That's a good question. I mean, I have really interesting assets that I'm still trying to figure out. So um uh

Scaling current assets instead of starting new projects

SPEAKER_00 24:24

no, my I what I'm realizing is that I don't want to add more projects. I want to take the ones that I have and see how I can go deeper. So um uh, because I feel we have really nice assets uh uh uh and we're sitting on really interesting markets. We just need to figure out ways to do uh more interesting marketing rather than create more new products. Um so I'm I'm looking at affiliate marketing, I'm looking at uh you know new types of marketing to drive drive traffic. Right now, our marketing has mostly been SEO and paid ads uh uh and you know and some social media, but I think we can do lots more. So I want to I want to take what we have and go deeper. That's sort of the goal. So I'm not more interested in adding more domains necessarily or more properties, I take what we have and make it better.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Okay. So instead of going broad, you're gonna stay narrow and go deeper. I love that. And uh so now as we land the plane, because we both have children and we have the next activity to run to,

The gift of entrepreneurship: Curiosity over fear

SPEAKER_01 25:19

what do you think the gift is of entrepreneurship for you as you focused into these micro businesses?

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Curiosity, I think. I mean, uh, you know, you can you can ask a simple question and and then do something about it. Um so if your curiosity is bigger than your fear, uh, you know, about a certain question or a certain topic or a certain idea uh or a certain uh will that you want to see in the world, um uh I think entrepreneurship is the vehicle to get you there, right? And I find that terribly fascinating um to channel my curiosity and to learn all the time. So today I had lunch with a with an old friend of mine, he has a traditional job and he was just telling me, lamenting that he's like someone close to 50 and he's been doing this job for tw like this type of job around the same company for 20 years. And he's contributing a lot to his company, but he's sort of not learning as much, you know. And for me that's the that's yeah, that's I'd want to live live a life which is um rich in learning and rich in curiosity and rich in asking questions um so that you're improving yourself and hopefully adding value to people, your community, your your your customers, or you know, so you're creating something useful and meaningful. I think that's that's what excites me about entrepreneurship. That's the gift of entrepreneurship to channel your curiosity into something meaningful that makes people's lives better or gives gives more to you know what they're looking for.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Yeah, yeah, keep learning. Every day is an opportunity to learn. So if you had to describe system.io, which you have multiple different ways, in one word, what would you use to describe system.io?

SPEAKER_00 27:01

All in one. Um let's try let's try another one. Robust is pretty good as well. It's very robust. So much we can do. You know, yes. Uh reliable is a great word, it's very reliable. Like the other day, uh I was like trying to access system.io and I got a photo for like an error. I'm like, what? That's never happened. And you know, it's never happened. And then and then uh two minutes later, it was back up again. I'm sure there's like a minor glitch, but that is just a reminder that never happens, right? Uh or very rarely at least. Um no, I'd say robust, reliable, all-in-one. Um I think the marketing on System.io's website is pretty good. Every time I log in, I'm like, yeah, it's pretty good. Uh you know, yeah, it's now your platform for different things, right? But it was used to be all-in-one something. Um the only tool you need to launch your online business. I mean, yeah, you don't need anything else. Like, that's so true. Like, you don't need anything else. You need you need some marketing, of course, but I mean, yeah, everything be everything behind uh after the marketing step is all system.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Yeah, yeah, the lead generation, I think a lot of people get stuck there. So if someone is sitting on the edge of their seat, they want to do what you're doing, they want to lean into microbusiness, they want to lean into digital marketing. This is our last question. What do you say to someone who is, I don't know, I'm not quite ready. Like, how do you get them to hit go?

SPEAKER_00 28:25

So, can you describe the quest situation again? They're not ready to get started, or what do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Yeah, yeah. They they see system.io and they have a an idea, like you. You have an idea for breathing, um, helping women uh fix their pelvic floor. They have the tool system.io, they're listening to this podcast.

Advice for beginners: Don't overthink it and just get started

SPEAKER_01 28:43

What would you say to them to get started today?

SPEAKER_00 28:47

Oh it's never it's never as bad as you ma as you dread it to be, you know. A lot of people have fears that it's gonna be really bad. It's never as bad. And and the journey is um the journey teaches you a lot more than you'd ever imagined, right? So so I would say that the best thing you can do is to not to overthink it, um, you know, and just get started. And the way I try to uh get courage is to is to think about the fact that I don't remember my great-grandfather because nobody thought told me anything about him, uh, you know, beyond his name here and there, and I've seen a photo here and there, occasional photo. Uh, that none of it matters. You know, it's like none of it matters, you know, and and um uh as much as this, we're trying to create meaning for ourselves. And and um I just try to get surrounded from the fact that it doesn't matter, you know. It's not I don't I don't take it, doesn't you don't have to take it so seriously. Uh and that sort of makes it easier for me to just get going. You know, it's like I'm just gonna give it a shot. So I would say don't overthink it, and I would say uh follow your curio curiosity and and um uh and I think lean into what you believe uh are the right answers for you. And that's a that's a learned skill, it's not that easy because for the longest time I was self-doubting myself, saying, even though I had really good people around me that you know built these businesses, I built these businesses with, um, I was very young and I was trying to learn from these experienced people I was building with. And I always self-doubted myself, and now after many years I realized that there's a lot of answers in me. I just have to have the courage to listen to it and follow it. Um so if you have the courage to listen to to yourself, um, which is not an easy skill, but if you can cultivate that and just get started and not don't take yourself too seriously while you're doing it, uh you know, uh go for it. And at the start, nobody cares because you're nobody to most people, right? Like no, you have nothing to lose, you know, nobody cares. And and um so I'd say if your curiosity is bigger than your fear there, just go for it.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

Ah, thank you. I I that is that is the golden nugget, y'all. If you have the courage to believe in yourself, let's go. So uh Mahish, thank you for being here with us and um sharing your dashboard too.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Yeah, yeah, happy to thank you for showing me sub showing me about sub accounts and the other things I realize I've not looked at communities in a while and so on. So it's good. System is great, you know. Thank you for doing what you guys are doing.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Yeah, if there's any is there any place that you'd like to lead anyone, any one website you'd love someone to visit after this podcast?

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Well, that's a good question. I mean, if you're a woman that has pelic floor issues, check out moonrise.health. Um if you're into uh voice AI and uh yeah, look at voice, look at hello, houseavoice.ai. Uh that's my voice. Um I build voice products, voice-based products. Um uh so yeah, so those two might be good starting points.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

All right, well, thank you so much. And um if you uh thank you for listening to another success story with system.io, and until next time, keep creating.