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3I/ATLAS: Visitor From The Stars | Retrospect Ep.213
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In this week’s episode we discussed the extraordinary journey of 3I/ATLAS, the third confirmed interstellar object ever observed. Discovered on July 1, 2025, by the Asteroid Terrestrial‑impact Last Alert System (ATLAS) survey in Chile, this comet-like object arrived on a hyperbolic trajectory, came around our Sun, and will soon depart back into the galaxy.
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3i/Atlas, interstellar object, James Webb Telescope, carbon dioxide, energy signature, artificial probe, planetary formation, hyperbolic trajectory, asteroid impact, Voyager spacecraft, extraterrestrial technology, non-gravitational acceleration, comet evaporation, space debris, SpaceX.
Jason
Tonight, we're not looking back on something that happened here on Earth. We're looking up way up at something that came from out there. It is called three eye Atlas, the third confirmed interstellar object ever detected passing through our solar system, discovered on July 1, 2025 by the Atlas survey in Chile. Three eye Atlas is moving too fast, too far off course, and far too alien to have ever belonged to our Sun. Astronomers say it's just a comet, a ball of ice and rock from a distant star system. But the evidence is anything but ordinary. The James Webb Telescope detected chemical fingerprints in light anything we've seen before, a comma rich in carbon dioxide, color shifting in unpredictable patterns and an energy signature that doesn't quite line up with what we expect from natural objects. Some even claim it's changing color as it travels. Could it be artificial, a probe, a fragment, or even a signal from elsewhere? Over the next hour, we'll explore the science, the speculation and yes, the conspiracy surrounding three eye Atlas. We'll hear from astronomers who say it's rewriting the rules of planetary formation, and theorists who believe it might not be a comet at all, but a technological artifact from beyond our solar system, because every time something from another star passes through our cosmic backyard, we're reminded just how little we know and how much we might not be ready to find out you
Ian
John, welcome to the retrospect podcast, the show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from the generations perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Stoney,
Stoney
hello
Ian
and Jason.
Jason
Hello everyone.
Stoney
Well, thank you very much for your intro, taking away my explanation of what three I means, but thank you.
Jason
Well, I think it's a little bit more than, than what I what I said in my
Stoney
No, that's exactly, that's exactly what it is. Most people were thinking that it was 3l. I thought it was 3131, yeah, three, one. Atlas, yes, three. I because it's actually the third confirmed Interstellar. Entity coming into our solar system. And y'all remember the
Jason
first one they discovered? I don't
Stoney
Yeah, it was a Mora in 2017 and then Mora is off in 2019
Jason
it's pronounced, that's a weird it's a Hawaiian word. It's called O muha, O muha.
Stoney
Okay, that's already got one. Oh, and
Jason
that's, that's the omua. Omua. It's a
Stoney
and that was one. I Omu, oh, my Yeah. And then Boris, yeah, that was the second one. It's two. I Boris. I mean, that was in 19, interesting.
Jason
And what was, I found interesting, they're saying the the signal that is that they've been picked up from this thing. They say it actually may be the same object that they picked up in 2017,
Stoney
I don't think so, because this is it's I got it written down here. It's a hyperbolic trajectory, which, first off, means it's not bound to the sun. It's cruising. And that's why, a lot you know the stuff you said there, it's a new form of anything that we know. It's not from the solar system. Yeah, it's not bound to our sun. Most comets and asteroids are flying around our sun with some gravity based trajectory, right swinging around and kind that's got a whole nother name to it, but this one means that it's not bound to our sun, so once it leaves, it's not coming back.
Jason
Yeah, just, just for our listeners. Atlas stands for the asteroid, terrestrial impact, last alert system. So this is how, this is the system that's basically protecting the planet for some rogue asteroid or
Stoney
comet. And oddly enough, it's in Chile. Yeah, yeah. You
Jason
know that. You know we don't want to get hit. You know, we don't. We've, we've touched on, on, I think we did another episode on, I think it was at Apophis. You know that that's the kind of that's the big, the big rock that's out there. They say, the potential impact with Earth, I think if it, if it penetrates the ground. Gravitational keyhole. I think in 2029 if it goes through there, then in 2036 I think, is saying there's a potential for their chance for impact, scary. So which that will be a bad day, wherever it hits. We would never experience that in in, no, no, in millions of years. Well, I don't know, some people say we had a series of impacts about 13,000 years ago, but, but yeah. I mean the big impact, the 60 million year, yeah, the chicks a loop impact. Yeah, that's the one everybody talks about. And believe it or not, kind of getting off topical but, but even then, they were scientists, when that was first proposed, that they kind of laughed at them like there's no evidence. And then eventually the evidence started piling up, and lo and behold. But, yeah, this, this, you know, I never really say what I remember talking to Stoney about this topic. It's like, three one Atlas. I didn't even, it's like, you know, I didn't I just kind of been seeing some of this stuff on the periphery, and I haven't really paid that much attention to it, but I'm always interested in interstellar stuff and planets, and I've always found that kind of fascinating. So this is, this is actually pretty interesting stuff.
Stoney
Closest date is December the 19th, 2025, that it will get to the earth, but it will still be on the far side of the sun. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay, okay, you see what I'm saying. And that's supposed to be, you know, 20 270 million kilometers, or roughly 160 8 million miles from the
Ian
earth. Is that the closest out of the three? Or is that just check that? That's interesting. I
Jason
think it's traveling about 60 kilometers a second. It's traveling at an enormous, yeah, an enormous speed. I mean, it's
Stoney
supposedly
Jason
changed speed, yeah, it's done some weird things that it's that, when it when that people are, you know, the people that are in the know, the astrophysicist and the people who follow this stuff there. It's definitely doing some things that just, uh, un, very unpredictable right now,
Ian
just a little rough translation, 60 kilometers per second is 134,260 miles per hour.
Stoney
Just for reference, it's about half the size of the Chicxulub impact object, right? Yeah, I think
Ian
so it's still Earth, quote, unquote small compared to that, but it's still,
Jason
I think they measure chicks a loop about six miles across, damn. I mean, think about but, I mean, they're saying this thing is maybe about the size of Manhattan, but, I mean, just think of an object that big, moving at that speed. I mean, just the kinetic, the kinetic energy is just, it's, we can't even really fathom. Know what that
Stoney
means, and think about where it hits, yeah, is as important as anything, even if it hits the water. Oh, yeah. Well, just the steam, just that energy
Jason
is me. You about tsunamis, cheese, hundreds of feet high, yeah, can't imagine a wall of water the size, the size of, like the Empire State Building. I mean, it's just, you see that movies to see that in real life, yeah, would be quite Yeah, quite extraordinary. But I found something else that was pretty interesting here, but that, you know, this thing is emitting some pulses, and they they actually transcoded these pulses into binary.
Stoney
They also had another group that thought it was some basic Morris code, right type thing. I'm like,
Jason
what wait. Well, they say they loaded it in, they transcoded in the binary, and he loaded in the chat, GPT,
Stoney
Oh, gosh. Well, it was a more advanced version,
Jason
right? They said it translated, we come, peace, no, no,
Stoney
what, what, but it also said that we put you here and we're coming to elevate you.
Jason
Yeah, I've seen a couple things on this stuff when it it, but just that word, kind of going back that Umu, Umu, ha, move, ah, whatever, hey, gets pronounced. It's basically meaning, it's a Hawaiian word meaning scout or messenger from afar, arriving. First
Ian
interesting. So
Jason
just to kind of everybody, to give an idea what's going on with that. But what's been interesting is this, this, I've been kind of following this, this astrophysicist, this, he sits in the chair in Harvard. Loeb was, his name is. And he is the one who's basically sounded the alarm that this thing could be artificial, based on the characteristics that when they look at these objects, and it's kind of raised a lot of eyebrows, because this is not some just quack that's in the basement somewhere, you know, peddling conspiracy. This is a guy that said on the National Academy of Sciences,
Stoney
he still don't have faith, but he is,
Jason
he has indicated that it mean, it could be the makings of a black swan event. I mean, we don't really know, but I just find it interesting that someone of that caliber, right, would actually be the one of the first people to broach that this is not acting like a normal comet or an asteroid, or it's exhibiting characteristics that are completely unknown. Now not to say that there's nothing special, I mean, or should say not to that there's anything weird, maybe there's some things we just we don't understand, which I'm kind of in that camp a lot. I think that, you know, we're dealing with an object from outside of the Milky Way Galaxy, or at least, or it should say, outside of our solar system. Now, whether that means it's, it's outside the Milky Way. I don't know, right? But it definitely it's kind of its own I equated to, for our listeners out there that are familiar with, you know, Marvel Comics and stuff. He's kind of like the Silver Surfer.
Stoney
I use chat GPT. When I found that group of people that used it, I said, using the information that has come out, the signal that has come and all of the little things the little ship supposedly looking like they're flying off, that could be debris or whatever, what are the chances that three eye Atlas are not just a rock or an asteroid. What are the chances that this is something extraterrestrial? And what chat GP told me was when I listened, when I found the signals and translated it myself. My daddy is coming home.
Jason
Yeah, as I'm saying, It's okay.
Stoney
This is my daddy is coming home. Okay, that's chat GP saying, Okay, think about just I mean, really, I don't trust anything. Chat GPT says, but my daddy is coming home, and then, you know, I said, Okay, I know you're just fracking with me right now. What are the actual chances that this is extraterrestrial? And it said about, effectively near zero, but about one in 100 million chance that this is not an asteroid or rock. This is something extraterrestrial,
Jason
something artificial, something artificial, something along those lines. I'm saying it's, it's definitely doing some things that are quite unusual and and, you know, who knows what this thing is made of? You know, there's always a possibility, if it's made up of some exotic materials that might react differently than what we are aware of. And, you know, I'm open to that possibility that, you know, we don't know what's out, I mean, outside of our own solar system, as much as we make projections, and we think we do, but you know, I'm kind of, you know, I think we're more ignorant than what I think sometimes people want to give a, you know, want to say we are, but I don't. I mean, this is, this is definitely something to pay attention to, you know, is if it does continue to act weird, and it's it's got, like, all these anomalies, and now it's at a point now where the anomalies are either forcing these scientists to say, Okay, we've got it. We've got something different here, or the models that we're using right now, we're missing something I
Stoney
was fixing to go right there. Most of the models that they use expect it to be some type of metal or mineral oriented object. And this one is not. This is a co 2h, t2 Oh, rich snowball, basically, that's been sandblasted by the galaxy. And, you know, which is more interesting than a rock, right? But we also haven't seen that before, so we don't know how it's going to react to things in our solar system. It's never come into our solar system to swing by the sun, or these, these different type gravitational effects that are in the Milky Way, so to speak. So we don't know, so we're just kind of guessing. But these model, you know, when you have a hurricane model, you base that off of 100 other storms, right? And so you can say, well, if this high is here and this is here, you can make those models work. Well, these models don't know what to work, because most of the other meteors, meteors and asteroids, have been made out of metal, or some CO two on it, but mostly made out of metal. So now it's just like, Okay, it's, it's CO two and H 2o, what's it doing? It's a, it's a snowball, right?
Jason
Well, right. Now it can be found in the constellation Virgo.
Stoney
You can see it with the telescope. Yeah, yes, okay, in
Jason
the constellation Virgo, close to the eastern horizon, and the hours before dawn in early November, with Venus shining brightly beneath and it's currently racing headlong away from the sun, or an escape trajectory from our
Ian
solar system. Wow, that's so crazy. So for
Jason
people that are kind of a, you know, into looking at Sky and all that, it's a mean, there it is. So it's get out there with your telescope and take a look at it. I'd love to go to the an observatory. And yes,
Stoney
they still do that one in Baton Rouge, that Highland,
Jason
yeah, I believe they, I believe they still, I still. I mean, the last I went there, it's been several years since I've been to that one. The last time I went the big telescope, I think was was not working, but they had some people out there with, you know, some nice telescopes. And I got to see Saturn with the rings. It was neat. Yeah, it was pretty cool. It really was. So, yeah, people in the Baton Rouge area, I would, I would check out the Highland road observatory. I mean,
Stoney
it's a once in a lifetime thing. Oh, yeah, think about it. I think, though, for me, as fast as it's moving, wouldn't it be great if it just kind of stopped and Paul got out. You remember the movie Paul with the donut around his finger, you know? Yeah, I want to take a, you know, a humor look at it. Because, okay, no, I don't I just ingesting, I don't have anything prepared, but that just popped into my head. It's just kind of like, wow, when you think about this, this is very unique. Yeah, it's a once in a lifetime thing, that something's going to come that close from outside that will never come back, and it's freaking a lot of people out. A lot of the chatter, all I can imagine this is insane. I tried to research how many articles scientific reports, anything, anything is out there. And they said that this is actually one of the most talked about events in in our Yeah, oh, it's generating a lot of generate is so much that it can't even be estimated. When you look at how many Tiktok videos? How many articles? NASA, you know, colleges, everybody's putting these, so many of these things out there. It really can't even predict how much is out there being talked about with this thing.
Jason
Yeah, I'm looking at a set of coordinator report from Avi Loeb. And here's that professor I was I was telling you about. He's a Baird professor of science and institute director at Harvard University. He said the non gravitational acceleration was first indicated by NASA in a recent report, and indicated that expected out gassing from the comet would mean it would lose half its mass and show a massive debris plume in the coming months, which is when people think a comet. That's what they think. They go Halley's Comet, that big old, long tail, which is typical of what happens when a comet gets near a star. The heat starts burning, and then it starts gassing out that stuff. This is not doing that. That's what's so weird about this.
Ian
And they're saying it's close enough that it should be, I see. Okay, right?
Jason
He says the problem is earth based telescopes can't get a good look right now. So it's it should be coming out sometime in early December, with that will allow for really good viewing of ground based observer observation. So right now, most of the photos are coming from from Hubble and from the James Webb, which are incredible, if you ever get a chance to look at just some of the photos of our universe is just it's just incredible. He said, alternatively, the non gravitational. Elevation might be the technological signature of an internal engine.
Stoney
Interesting, yeah, the way it's, it's not a rock, yeah, it's, it's a snowball. You know, snowballs are erratic when you throw them, just because they're, they're different. So I don't know. I don't know. I want to believe this is something else. But I when you look at all the videos and stuff that people are putting out there, I just, I really hope it's just simple, yeah, but I guess we'll know.
Ian
Maybe that's what they want you to think, Stoney,
Stoney
well, 100%
Jason
reading this fox report here. So in response to a question about three eye Atlas from Kim Kardashian, we all know who that is, NASA, Acting Administrator, Sean Duffy said there isn't anything to worry about. NASA observation showed that this is the third interstellar comment to pass through our solar system. He said in a post on X, no aliens, no threat to life here on Earth. Okay, it said in his report, Loeb said the massive evaporation of three eye Atlas could explain its intense blue light, citing a recent paper for a natural comet, this blue light is very surprising. He wrote saying that dust would result in having a redder color than the sun. So that's what I'm saying. They said the blue color could potentially be explained by a hot engine or a source of artificial light. Loeb continued, however, it might instead be a signature of ionized carbon monoxide for a natural comet.
Ian
Interesting? Yeah, that's, and that's really, that's crazy,
Jason
yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. So this is real, you know, real stuff. I mean,
Ian
it's, and it's also, it's just, like, the same kind of stuff we talked about with, like, the ocean, there's like, so much in there we just don't know about, because it's just, it's, oh, you can't really tell how much of that is also going on here, where it's like, we don't even know if this is coming from outside of our solar system. Who knows if it's like, breaking conventional norms for what we know? We just don't know. Because it's like, it's so, it's unknown. So it's like, oh, it should work this way. But it's like, well, with the colors, yeah, should be doing, yeah, but it's not. So it's like, why? What is, what materials in it, what? You know, it's just, unless we're able to get our hands on it figured out, I don't think we'll probably have a definite answer. And or, you know, unless there's technology that is obviously far beyond my comprehension, that could, could tell us.
Jason
Well, you know, obviously, what does this particular scientist is saying is, obviously, it's provoked a lot of people, because this guy's legit. He's, he's very well published. He's very well known in the in that realm. And so people are, you know, kind of raising eyebrows? And, you know, in his reply, he says, I explained that in science, we're often intrigued by anomalies that are inconsistent with past paradigms. Right? As a result, we bring forward possible theoretical interpretations, which motivate the collection of new data. So, you know, I think, you know, I know we people want to jump, okay, but that's not necessarily what he's saying. I think he's simply saying, these are some possibilities. Go out. Let's study this more. And I think that's what he's saying. And I think some people have kind of jumped, are you saying it's an alien, you know? And I think that's where
Stoney
you know what he's doing is, is basically the opposite of what the scientists were doing during covid. What's he saying? Question, the science. That's what science is. Question the science. What about the Fibonacci sequence pulse that came out at 1420 hertz, okay, I think that's interesting, because communication, that's a communication
Jason
exactly that same. I think I read something to the effect that back in 77 I believe that's when this signal
Stoney
scream, yes, yes, that was the one. They went, Oh, wait, what was that?
Jason
Something? It was like, 30 times stronger than everything else around. And they raised the eyebrow, and then it disappeared completely until this, until this interesting came back.
Stoney
So I thought that was interesting, because that whole conversation kind of died out. They had put it to this, or put it to this, or, Oh, it was just this freak of nature, and then all of a sudden, the same thing pops back out of this three eye Atlas,
Jason
yeah, event, I'm just further, you know, kind of reading about what this scientist said. He said, If. Eventually we have enough data to rule out all but one interpretation of the anomalies. Before he had listed 10 anomalies that this object was displaying, he said they motivated me to propose a possibility, because they've pretty much said we have enough data to rule out all but one interpretation,
Stoney
what you said right there that kind of bugs me. They motivated me. Okay? They paid me to say this. How did they motivate you? Did they put a guy to your head, or did they pay you?
Jason
I think as a scientist, as scientists are naturally inquisitive. I want to find out and know, but that's the nature of being a science, right? You're always questioning, questioning learning. Let me study this. Let me look at this. So that's what he's saying. He goes, he listed 10 anomalies, right? They've so far have explained away nine of them. So that leaves one, okay? And it's I'm saying. He says it motivated him to the possibility that three eye Atlas is an extraterrestrial technological product of another civilization in the Milky Way galaxy. Most stars are billions of years older than the sun, and it takes less than a billion years, for our own Voyager spacecraft to cross the entire Milky Way Galaxy, or I should say, Milky Way disc, right? Because my hope is that the data collected in the coming weeks, especially around December 19, 2025 when it gets the closest to Earth will reveal the true nature of this interstellar object. Let's hope that three eye Atlas will not deliver us unwanted gifts for the holidays. My question is, if they did find out that this thing is artificial, would they even publish it. Would they would? They hide it with the CIA, with the NSA? Would? Because we all have heard stories of how these things, anything that kind of shakes, yeah, the established understanding of reality. How would that be viewed?
Stoney
Well, we did a show on that. What would happen if aliens were to land on the white on the White House lawn? You know, it's just, um,
Ian
I think that over the course of history, I think that they've been more okay with it. I guess it depends on what it is. If it's nothing, we'll probably hear about it. If it's something, I think that people will start to speculate and make you know their own hypothesis out of it.
Stoney
But, you know, it's funny that you said something about Voyager, because at the same time all of this is happening, Voyager has picked up and started doing stuff again. Remember, it was already supposed to be dead, okay? And now, all of a sudden, it's starting to use thrusters that haven't been active in a long time is starting to send they were able to reactivate some of the role control thrusters on it. Well, it's supposed to have been out of fuel a long time ago. All right, so how are you reactivating something that's that's done and it's and some signals that are coming back that are different than what they originally were, yeah. So has something got a hold of this thing, or someone? Well, that's what, that's what I'm saying,
Jason
yeah, yeah. They're saying the object which, you know there, it set a record. But I didn't realize this, it set a record as the fastest space rock entering the solar system ever detected at more than 130,000 miles per hour. And it's now up to 152,000
Ian
miles per hour. Wow. That's that is so I mean, obviously I know in space
Jason
speed, I think it's going where it would circle the Earth in 11 minutes, and it would be the distance between the Earth and the Moon. That would be a two hour
Stoney
trip. Wow, that's how to think about this gets getting faster. And when you're driving through town and you come up to an area town that you know is unsafe or you don't like, what do you do? You speed up. So maybe it's going, oh shit, that's the earth.
Jason
That sector of the of the solar system is bad right now. Let him figure it out, and we'll come back later. You know, so, but yeah, they're saying, they're saying the sun's gravity is mainly responsible for the speed boost, but they're still having a hard time figuring out what has caused it to noticeably shift away from the home star. So
Stoney
you. But it's not the home star because it's not attached to the right. So they keep throwing these mixed signals out there. It's our home star, but it's not the HOME STAR for this.
Jason
But I think they're saying, they're attributing the speed. They're saying, if it gets closer to the sun, then that would okay, we understand why it's going faster, right? The question is, why is it going even faster and moving away from the sun? That's, I think, is, what is the anomaly is, right? Is kind of, you know, they're trying to figure that out. He says, if it were an ordinary comet, the heat of the sun would be causing the icy, cold space rock to melt and shoot out gas trapped inside. However, Avi Loeb has revealed that a strong, still waiting evidence has released anywhere close enough gas to prove the object is really a comet. So that's cool. I mean, I don't know. I mean, this is one of these things that, you know. I mean, I don't know, you know, we you read about this stuff, and it's sort of like, you know, of course, a lot that's Astro, you know, none of us are astrophysicist, and all we have to do is just read these articles and kind of whatever the, what I call the smart people, you know, kind of figure this stuff out. Yeah. They said, Yeah. They said they NASA would, basically, they would suddenly the comet, or whatever it is, I'd have to lose at least 13% of its total mass as it approached the sun. So that's the only way enough of the comet would have been transformed into gas that blasted the object away like a thruster on a spaceship.
Ian
That's so strange, because I don't
Jason
know. So in December, this is going to be key, okay, in December, when it comes out from the other side of the sun, when it's going to be visible the ground based telescopes and stuff like that. When we get a group, if it doesn't have a plume, okay, something's up, because it should have a plume at that point. If it doesn't, I think all all bets are off and something different, interesting. Yeah, I really do.
Ian
It's just like a frost, like a just a frosted over ship. They just put themselves some sort of cryostasis kind of thing, and they're just flying through That's crazy to think about.
Jason
Yeah, I said, and it's I'm saying, it says if three eye Atlas is not enshrouded in a much more massive gas cloud after the perihelion than it had in the months preceding perihelion, than its recent non gravitational acceleration, which means, yeah, it is accelerating without additional push of gravity. So just to kind of let people know, uh, then, must have resulted from a different cause than cometary evaporation. So there's something else then they're going to have to look at, okay, if all the traditional models that we have of what makes these things move, okay? What are we missing? What are we missing?
Ian
Hear me out. What if it just disappears? It goes behind the sun and nothing comes out. How would happen?
Jason
Then they say it's weighs about 33 billion tons.
Ian
Wow, I can't even fathom some of these numbers. Sometimes, when
Jason
you're dealing with those kind of numbers, I mean, it's, you're dealing with, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of crazy. I mean,
Ian
yeah, that's crazy.
Jason
Yeah, they say, they say, yeah, he says it's once again, Louise said it's incredibly massive, weighing approximately 33 billion which doesn't make sense, because there isn't enough rocky material in the interstellar space to have created such a structure naturally. Doesn't mean we know. Okay, most of stuff like coming out of the wart cloud, you know, all that is kind of a result of what was left over when planets were formed. And I
Stoney
don't know that, because, you know what planet a sun can explode and destroy a planet near it and just chunk, you know, knock a piece off of it. So I don't know if I believe that one. I saw that kind of I saw that report too, and I'm not, I don't know. We don't know what happens out there. Our reach isn't that far. What happens if it's just a piece of something that got knocked off of another planet that was split in half? You know, things can happen?
Jason
Well, they say, unlike College. Comets that formed in our own solar system, which are mainly composed of ice and water, scans have shown that three eye Atlas is an odd mixture of nickel and carbon dioxide. Interesting. Louie, he jump out like throw, throw a little fire. Fire starter in the fire here he says, he says it could be a nuclear, nuclear powered mothership, which would explain how it could get unusually bright if we're regenerating its own light. So that's what I'm saying for this, for this guy to even just kind of casually throw out there that this might be a mothership, you know, I don't, I mean, you know, obviously he knows more than I do. So I'm gonna take his, take his word for it, that I'm open to the possibility it could be, it could be something different. I
Stoney
think we need to be very open about the possibilities of it, because we don't know we're so small compared to this universe, what's out
Ian
there, if, like, if it is like, artificially made, like, why would you
Stoney
I don't know. Well, if it's artificially made, why doesn't it look like the Death Star?
Ian
Why doesn't it look like a was gonna suck a torpedo? But it kind of does look like, why would you like? I don't know. Who knows that's curious. What if that one of the best, the best structure you can build for space travel is just a random rock?
Jason
Who knows it might be? It could be nothing more than just, it's just a it's a stealth maybe, maybe, as I said, maybe it's it has some material on it that causes it to react differently that we're we have not encountered, and we just happen to be living at a time when this object is now making its its way through our neighborhood. Yeah, you know, he's like the cosmic visitor, you know, like, Hey guys, and then just passing by, passing by, I'm heading out the door. So, yeah,
Ian
yeah, that's the speculation. Just like I had joked run about where I was like, that's what they want you to think. That's all. That's when she started getting into conspiracy theory territory. Is like, maybe, maybe it's all a secretive thing, not here on on Earth, but like out in the solar system, like, you know, it is like a stealth What if it is a stealth ship? What if it's just, it's meant to look like a big rock, but it's actually their form of stealth.
Jason
It's no it's an oddly flat camouflage. Yeah, they say it's like a it's flat, like a pancake. Okay, so, yeah, interesting.
Stoney
It's more flat, like a beaver tail. Well, you know, it's still, you know, pancake is round. This thing is kind of oblong, yeah,
Ian
however many hundreds of billions big pancake beaver tail, yeah, that's crazy,
Jason
yeah. He says, How are scientists have found complete opposite in three island with the object showing little to no iron at all in its chemical makeup. And that's usually which lo it said was another sign of it being artificially constructed.
Ian
So you're so most comments or or asteroids, whatever it is, mostly made of iron.
Jason
Yeah, right. You know, they have a rock or iron or, you know,
Stoney
that's ones from our weapons from somewhere else, even further away.
Jason
Well, you would have to make, I mean, the assumption is the rules kind of governing our it's you project that out to everywhere else that the rules operate the same. You know, the only difference, I would think would be, maybe in the gravitational pull of a black hole, you know, where then things kind of get unraveled. And maybe things could, you know, operate differently. But you know, you have to assume the universe is ordered. It's rational. It can be understood by the physical laws that it all operates under, and
Stoney
that's a hard assumption. I don't think we need to. I think we need to expect the unexpected, because we don't know. We've never experienced what a black hole can truly do? We think we know, but do we really?
Ian
I wonder what, like, I wonder how long this thing's been flying through space to get to us. You know what? I mean, that's the part that gets me
Stoney
is like, we don't know where it came from, so we have no idea how long has this thing
Ian
been cruising along for. You know, who knows how long to finally get here? Or is this like a reason? I mean, I say recent quote, unquote.
Jason
I mean, I don't I I think that if this guy is, is is pretty open to an extraterrestrial object, I'm. I'm, I'm mean, I'm very, I believe that there are other things out there. So I'm that doesn't shake me in the slightest. Be honest with you, I'm just waiting for that moment when we we make contact or we're going to find some evidence of something out there to,
Stoney
yeah, oh, you know, speculative scientists really do ask Provocative Questions, yes, all the time. That's what they do. What if it's artificial, you know, that kind of stuff. Because that gets picked up in headlines, of course, which helps get, you know, create the impression of communications and stuff like that, but it also gets their name out. And that's how they get funding. That's how they get notoriety for their school or whatever they're doing this from. And so that brings money in. So asking those questions can serve a number of purposes too, even if you don't actually believe it, just by throwing it out there, yeah, you can generate some buzz about it.
Ian
Everyone's got their motives. That's it, yeah, yeah, that's really interesting.
Jason
It would be very interesting if, if, all of a sudden, a news report that, you know, we've we definitely have something here that's not normal, right? And what that means, who knows? I mean,
Stoney
maybe we'll know, December the 19th. And
Ian
also, the thing that's kind of interesting, too, is the first one of these, like three or this, you know, I situation came about, you said 2017 was the first one. Then 19, the 19, and now we're in 2025 like, Why all of a sudden in these like this, the past decade, are we getting a bunch of stuff from interstellar like, why is it well
Stoney
been able to see it well maybe,
Jason
I think, with the advent of now you've got, you had Hubble, and then you now got James Webb, yeah, Which is 1000 times better than Hubble. So I think now you're getting, you're seeing stuff that probably were, was always there, right? We just couldn't perceive it interesting. Save
Ian
it. That's interesting because, because, for me, I was thinking, like, what is that? Does this mean we're gonna There's me more stuff coming in, and then what does that mean, if there's, is this just like the harbinger of, like a crazy,
Stoney
well, somebody said this was a scout ship. Who knows? Maybe this is just the scouts.
Ian
Yeah, these are just the first few pieces of, like, the rest of whatever's coming, right?
Jason
This is the point? Yeah, yeah. I was kind of reading a little bit more on that movement of three. I Atlas. They clearly pulled away from the sun and also turned to its side, which lo it suggests it was a sign of a rocket engine adjusting the crafts course, or a normal comet to complete this shocking maneuver, naturally, for AI Atlas would have to lose more than 13% of its mass, creating giant jets of gas pouring from the rock. So that's what I'm telling that's what's really throwing this thing off. It's making these moves. Yeah, and there's no gas being expelled from the company.
Stoney
See, I was just fixing to say that we don't know if it's mostly water and CO two. Maybe it just farted. Who knows? It could have farted. Maybe it just farted.
Ian
But to the side. What if we're not able to what if there's like a gas in there? We don't understand, we can't thank you. Yeah, it does. It somehow is making a
Jason
I don't know. It's just, it's making these things. It's not doing what every comet does,
Stoney
right? Of course, it's not just not following our models, right?
Jason
It could be something else there to it. So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, they say, the physicists and head of the Galileo Project, scientific research group looking for signs of extraterrestrial life. Yes, believe it or not, there is a group out there constantly looking for that has argued that three eye Atlas has shown at least 10 signs. It's an artificially constructed vessel that's now heading towards Earth. Interesting. However, towards Earth heading,
Stoney
that's the verbiage they use
Ian
to generate that I see. I see, yeah, yeah.
Jason
I said. However, clues have continued to pile up that suggest this object from outside the solar system is not a natural phenomenon. Said, this includes displaying a strange anti tail, which pointed towards the sun as it made its closest approach to the star last month, a normal comet's tail points away from the Sun, which that that makes sense,
Ian
right? Energy pushing it away, right, exactly.
Stoney
But because this is an unknown composition, maybe the gravity affected it different and started pulling it in.
Jason
Who knows, as a normal comets turn red as their cold surfaces absorb absorb blue light and bounce back mostly red light, just like a cold piece of metal glows red when you start heating it up, right? Say, while one strange oddity being seen in a comet could be explained by science. Loeb now noted that the odds of three eye Atlas displaying 10 strange anomalies at the same time are astronomical and point to the object being created by a distant intelligence.
Ian
What if it's just like space crap that like an alien civilization, just
Jason
maybe they didn't survive their great film.
Ian
That's why it's flat. It's just like a panel to something made something
Jason
as similar, yeah, you know, debris like, Oh no, maybe if there is a, a, a distant, yeah, civilization out there that that evolved, lived and and got eventually destroyed, yeah, or this, whatever, maybe their story,
Ian
it's not the Death Star, but maybe it's the the explosion of the
Stoney
Death Star. Maybe, maybe
Jason
it was, really, that's the air conditioner.
Stoney
I was gonna say that was the lid on the toilet. Really, maybe we're just getting the crap, the crapper lid, you
Ian
know, and it's flying at 130,000
Stoney
miles an hour. That
Jason
thing, with that thing was a one time on a spec sheet. So, yeah. I
Ian
mean, where did you Where did you put the lid? Yeah, I can't find it. Yeah. I mean, it's hurtling towards the Milky Way.
Jason
It's always interesting, yeah, about looking up at the sky and seeing our ancestors did that a lot more than we do today. You know, we have so much light pollution now that we really don't have those kind of views that our ancestors, at one time, had. The
Stoney
lesson for the day is, is don't fart near an exist ignition source. There
Ian
you go. Yeah, yeah, that would be bad unless you want to launch something out of the stratosphere.
Jason
Yeah, I just, this is a, I mean, guys, I mean, we got to pay attention to this stuff.
Ian
I'm actually curious to follow up after Christmas, potentially to see what, yeah, what happens, or
Stoney
follow up episodes.
Jason
I don't really have a good I don't have a telescope me either, but I don't really have, I have a pair of binoculars, but they're, they're not very super high powered. You got to have something stationary. You got to have one of those. I always thought about buying a pair one of those Astro binoculars, where you can really see, yeah, you know, up there in the in the sky. I did one time see the space station. Oh, that's cool. I did see that going one time. The last time I went to the Highland road observatory, they they pointed it out. Yep, there it is. Because it only, I think it's about 100 miles. Oh, yeah, up, yeah, so it's just moving. I had a friend
Ian
of mine who was able to take a picture of it passing over the moon. It was, like a full moon, and he was doing like, photography or whatever, and he was able to take a bunch of pictures, and he has like two or three of it, like in transit in front of the moon. It's pretty cool,
Stoney
because that doesn't happen often, because the angles and, well,
Ian
I think, I think he was in a specific location. He had to know where it was, yeah, it was. Had to make that happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had to plan it for a while. And it was actually really cool. The photos he got were really awesome. And then, luckily, it wasn't raining. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, correct. Same thing with like, uh, what you call it, the eclipses, right place, right time, right weather conditions. And you can see some magical stuff.
Jason
Yeah, I said. NASA plans to send a manned moon mission by February of 20. I heard that. Well, you would think it's been how many years, supposedly, since we landed on the moon.
Ian
But, yeah, I don't, I think also some of that, but I think a lot of technology, I think has increased throughout the past few decades that I think is a to be able to, like, have a ship go out into space and potentially come back safely, you know, is pretty interesting not to say we didn't do that before. But like, you know, there's a lot of funding that was done back in the 60s from that kind of
Jason
stuff. Well, that was a little bit more of a national effort. And not only was that, I think it went back to, I mean, it, it kind of, sort of like it in World War Two, and how, right, you know, people kind of, it was a singular effort. Oh. Yeah, if I recall back during that time when Kennedy, you know, first got elected, maybe the toward the end of Eisenhower administration, I mean, there was a push by, by, you know, by the country to push, you know, engineering math sciences in the schools to keep because they saw what the Russians were doing.
Stoney
Well, they also had to kind of change the perspective of what was happening at NASA was changing because they were all the Nazi scientists. Oh yeah, this was Eric Von Braum, who invented the v2 rocket that was killing people in the war. They were trying to direct the attention to say, Okay, look at what we're benefiting from bringing these people over here, right? And that was, I mean, you can kind of understand that, but like, you know, he did, he came out and he started a national push to be the first ones to the moon.
Ian
I think it's also, like, you know, in recent history now with, like, the the stuff that SpaceX is doing, I don't agree with everything that's going on there, but like, there's a lot of the fact that you can launch a rocket out into space, and then they were able to, like, drop it back into orbit, and then like, pilot it back onto its like, stand. I can't even imagine what kind of science and mathematics and all the BS that makes that happen. But, like, that's phenomenal to watch that video, and to watch a to watch a rocket fall from space, and then, like, Ignite, and then, you know, with the movement of all of its rockets, position itself back where it came from. I was like, well, that's, that's incredible.
Jason
I think the, I think the, you know, as we move forward with the space, space race and kind of pushing that tech. I mean, I think it's going to be in the hands of the private sector. Oh, I just, I don't think,
Stoney
well, the private sector is going to be looking at this as a commercial it's a commercial endeavor, because there are so many satellites that are derelict up there? Yeah, there. I mean, maybe we could research that, but they're looking at it because you don't use copper wire, right? You use gold and silver, you use platinum. All of these satellites are made out of precious metals, and they're just sitting up there. Well, what if you bring them back? How many millions of dollars are you going to be able to recoup from every satellite you bring back and you got it that you have to think about that
Ian
decommissioned satellites in space, or estimated and range from 3000 to 3500
Jason
okay, I mean, think about that. That's a lot of debris.
Stoney
Can you since you type out, what would the what would the estimated recuperation dollar amount b for a satellite, you know? Okay, and just see, I mean, if it costs you five to $15 million to go up and get three satellites and bring them back, what can you make off of that? You know that? I think that's where they want to go with this, because there's so many satellites up there that are just debris. It's kind of crazy, if you think about it
Jason
right now, I'm reading here talking about Elon Musk and SpaceX said Mexico is threatened to sue Elon Musk over SpaceX debris.
Ian
Interesting. Okay,
Jason
Mexican president Claudia, she needs has threatened to sue Ellen must SpaceX over falling debris from rocket launch across the border in the United States. SpaceX says its efforts to recover debris from Mexico have been hindered by trespassers.
Ian
I'm not getting any any hard numbers right now, because it's basically saying that, like, the amount of money it would take to to get something into space, to get the satellite back down, would be would cost more than it would to probably recycle the satellite. That's why it's abandoned in space. That's the hard part. There's no solid numbers that I'm seeing which is kind of but again, maybe in the future, that's one of those things, if we can get something down there and safely back here with its with four or five satellites, yeah, recycle it. Who knows?
Jason
Yeah, right now, I didn't realize there, but there's some obvious intention there between Mexico and the United States regarding degree, because they're all this stuff is coming from Star base in Texas, so it's right there, okay, it's right there on the Mexican border, my understanding. So, so I can understand how stuff could be crashing down in northern Mexico, probably, and
Ian
I guess are they would they not be allowed to come collect it? Is that kind of the problem? Well,
Jason
I think they're trying to collect it. But I think, you know trespassers, and I see it's sort of like when, when you know, when Colombia exploded, and remember, had debris over Texas and Louisiana and and it was a big deal about, if you find a piece you know, you better not hold on to it. You face prosecution. And and all this other stuff. So, yeah, it's kind of a big deal to pick some of this stuff up. Can you imagine if you're in a house and all of a sudden something crashes, you know, some piece of space debris? Wonder what would happen with that? I don't think your insurance even covers that.
Ian
Would that be considered an act of gospel? It might be an act of
Jason
God. I mean, I don't know. At that point, just just the idea of just oh yeah, of a piece of I better get crashing down on your particular house. The government better be paying me something for that. Well, I think they probably would Yeah, because at that point that's yeah, that's just bad luck. Yeah, I think if SpaceX did, I think Elon can afford it. Since they just base 100% they just his share, the board has basically made him a trillionaire. That's the first trillionaire the United States. Is that official, really? Yeah, supposedly they voted on it. Now, whether you know how, I don't know how the steps it takes, but whatever his, his, I mean, the shareholders voted 75 like 75% of them voted this package. It's a trillion dollar package. Wow, that's insane. I mean, it's just anything about that guy. I mean that kind of like, sleeps on a couch in his office. I mean, he is not motivated by that kind of stuff. I mean, he's and it's just some people hate this guy, maybe before they love this guy, but then all of a sudden they hated him, because, of course, political, political reason, because he aligned with Trump and gave Trump a bunch of money. And, you know, supposedly, that's what helped him win the election. And, you know, I go out there and pay voters, or say it, when all this stuff, well, we need money. You know, they got money on the ground. What does that code for? They're paying people to go vote. Oh, yeah, that's all that is. So yeah, it's, it's Yeah. So, you know Musk is, I think Musk talked about this stuff too. I don't Well Because history, I would, he would, he would, he mentioned, I mean, you may want to look that up, Musk. And three, I Atlas,
Ian
his end goal is to have us colonize Mars. Like that's his whole thing. So if you look at all his companies and all you know, yes, they're all for here on Earth, but like to be honest, no, he has, he has an electric car company. Because, again, we're probably not going to have gas on Mars. We're going to need electrical vehicles to it's like all that he has a SpaceX to ferry people to anyway, that's
Stoney
where you're gonna go back and forth.
Ian
Oh, we have, what's it called Starlink. Where do we have? We have interconnectivity through satellites and space. It's like some sort of thing when, like, we're probably gonna have to have that on Mars. So it's like, that's all his end goal, which, hey, you know, if he's got a trillion dollars
Stoney
transhumanism he's doing, you know, maybe we can make people live a little easier over there with direct implants and things like that in their bodies. I
Ian
think he also has a digging company, right? The boring company?
Jason
Yeah, it says, during his appearance on the Joe Rogan experience. Musk addressed the theory swirling around three eye Atlas, he said, Before diving into details, he stressed one personal point, one thing I can say is, if I was aware of any evidence of aliens, Joe, you would have my word that I will come on your show and reveal it. I keep my promises. He added, I'm never committing suicide, to be clear, ever. No, dude,
Stoney
wow, that sounds familiar. There's a host on a podcast that says that all the time too. I think it was it Stoney on the retrospect podcast. He said that probably, what, 50 times
Jason
he says, The SpaceX CEO then discussed the comet's chemical makeup, noting that nickel vapor had been found in his gas cloud. Must explain that some of Earth's richest nickel and cobalt deposits trace back to ancient asteroid and comet impacts.
Ian
Crazy. That's insane, dude. Yeah.
Jason
He says, must. Said the presence of nickel doesn't confirm anything alien, but does suggest that a comet would be catastrophic if it collided with Earth. It would be a very heavy spaceship if you made it out of all nickel. He said that's heavier than, like, a, yeah, I said that's a heavy space. It would be, like, it would obliterate a continent type of thing. Maybe worse. My gosh, that's crazy. Yeah, so you're talking about, I mean, yeah, maybe not the extent of chick salute. But, I mean. If, say, if it struck in the same area where Chicxulub struck, say, somewhere in the Yucatan Peninsula, yeah, most of North America is probably toast. Wow, just the kinetic energy. But let me imagine, yeah, 150,000
Ian
I can also imagine that I probably wouldn't it's, it probably wouldn't affect the other side of the globe too in some way. Oh, it would.
Jason
I mean, definitely. But I'm talking about that initial, I know you're right, that initial destructive,
Stoney
think about it's a torpedo, oh no. And some of these weapons that they're using today are just a iron spike, oh yeah, going through the ground. So if it hits it just right, it could go to the core and destroy the planet. If you think about it, that's crazy. You know, the Navy's using those spikes, the hypersonic spikes. It's just a piece of metal that's rail cannon. The rail cannon, that's what that is. It's made out of metals like that, and just fired at such a speed that it's just insane. That's wild.
Jason
Yeah, I've been, I've been wanting to listen to that, that episode of Joe Rogan experience regarding the interview with musk, because they talked about a whole lot of stuff. They talked about a lot of stuff. Yeah, they just, you know, kind of go on there. So, yeah, it would be interesting. But yeah, I
Stoney
wouldn't it be great if we could get him on our show?
Ian
Yeah, I think it would cost a lot of money to get him on the show.
Stoney
Maybe Elon Musk, if you listening and you'd like to join us on the retro love
Jason
to have you, I would love to just sit down and have a conversation with just listen to him crazy, because I think he's, he's basically the, you know, the Nikola Tesla of our time. I would put him Nikola Tesla versus Albert Einstein, because Nikola Tesla was, was very centric, and he's kind of viewed as, I think Musk fits that more than Albert Einstein, yeah, at least now. I mean, I think people kind of view him, at least some people, they view him in somewhat of a negative light, of course, and well, which is a shame, because I think he's, he's actually one of the greatest things we have on our in our country right now, and unfortunately, our politics have basically made it out to be almost impossible to like the guy, right So, but
Ian
I'm curious to hear what everyone else has to say about this episode, about what your speculations are about what your theories are, if you want us to come Back around at the end of the year to talk about if there's actually any kind of juicy details we learned about it, I'd be interested to talk about it as well, to figure out, Is this really something special, or is it just another big rock in space. We have the email address get offended together@gmail.com where you can send more long form responses. And we also have the comment sections on Spotify and YouTube. Be sure to subscribe and like where you can it really, really shows your appreciation for the show and helps, helps get us out there a little bit until next week. Thank you so much for listening. Bye, bye,
Ian
goodbye everyone, and God bless
Ian
You know, sometimes God sends us messages to remind us how small we are and how connected we've always been. Think about it. An interstellar comet three i Alice is passing through our neighborhood, a giant Snowball from another star just waving hello before it's gone forever. At the same time, a 48 year old spacecraft, Voyager One still whispers to us from beyond the edge of the sun's reach, we spend so much time worrying about control, politics, money, schedules, yet both of these comic messengers remind us that we are actually the ones just passing through, one made by man, one made by The heavens, both still delivering messages across impossible distances. Maybe faith isn't about understanding the universe. It's about trusting that the Creator didn't waste any of it. So tonight, whether you're a boomer who remembers the first launch or a Gen X kid watching on tick tock, take comfort, we're part of something vast, intentional and still beautifully mysterious. If the Voyager can still phone home after a million miles, maybe so can we. Thanks for hanging out with us today. You're the best peace.