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Capturing The President Of Venezuela | Retrospect Ep.223
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In this week’s episode we discussed the dramatic events surrounding the capture of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro by U.S. forces, a military operation that stunned the world and reshaped geopolitical tensions in the Americas. We unpack how the raid unfolded, the legal and international debates it sparked, and what it means for Venezuela’s future and global diplomacy.
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Venezuela, Maduro capture, US military operation, international law, sovereignty, narcotics, terrorism, global norms, geopolitical implications, oil reserves, China, anti-aircraft weaponry, economic sanctions, political instability, international reaction.
Jason
On January 3, 2026 US forces carried out a dramatic military operation in Caracas, Venezuela, resulting in the capture of President Nicolas Maduro and his transfer to the United States to face federal criminal charges. That action hailed by Washington as law enforcement and condemned by critics as a breach of sovereignty, has ignited one of the most intense debates in global politics in decades. What makes this moment seismic isn't just that a sitting head of state is now in a New York courtroom, is that the operation appears to have been conducted without a United Nations mandate, or clear legal basis under established international law, triggered widespread alarm among diplomats and legal scholars, who warn it could undermine the very norms that govern how nations interact. Supporters argue maduro's indictment for alleged narcotics and terrorism links justified extraordinary measures. Detractors see a dangerous precedent a powerful nation asserting the right to use force inside another state's territory and prosecute its leader on domestic charges. In this episode, we're unpacking how this happened and what the capture of Maduro could mean for global norms about sovereignty, the use of force and the rules that bind states today, because this isn't just a single headline, it's a potential inflection point in the post world war two legal order.
Ian
welcome to the retrospect podcast, a show where people come together from different walks of life and discuss a topic from their generation's perspective. My name is Ian, and as always, I'm joined by Stoney,
Stoney
hello
Ian
and Jason.
Jason
Hello everyone.
Jason
How's it going? Well? I'm better now, since I had my cup of coffee, but, yeah, it's just cold outside, and just, I just have not been able to get warm.
Ian
So thank you for the coffee.
Jason
No problem.
Ian
You came bearing gifts this this week.
Jason
I did.
Ian
I thought you were just gonna let me have, like, a little, like, a little sampling of it. I made a little container of it first, that way I could keep around here, keep mix the two, and
Jason
then that way you'll have it for when I come over.
Ian
It's there. Don't twist my arm about it.
Stoney
I guess one thing before we get into our show today, okay, I think it was episode before last we talked about the Nielsen ratings. You remember that? Yeah, the TV and stuff like that. Yeah, after we talked about that, guess what? Miranda and I got in the mail. No way, yes, the Nielsen rating envelope. Wow, yeah,
Ian
they're listening. They are listening. There's a new little practical joke. They're like, yeah, here
Stoney
you go, listening. Oh man, I was like, I saw that, and went, Oh my god. I can't wait to tell the guys
Jason
well, if I get the Nielsen ratings, then something's up.
Ian
Yeah, you know, that's interesting. Yeah, a lot.
Jason
Look, I'm telling you,
Stoney
yeah. I think it's funny.
Ian
That's interesting. We
Jason
are in strange times. We are very the geopolitical world is changing in front of our very eyes. I often wonder if this is kind of the ties into the fourth turning type stuff that we have been kind of mentioning, and we talked about several episodes back
Ian
now I remember vaguely. Hasn't one of the other previous presidents done something similar to this? Or is that? Is this kind of a new press like precedent? Well, to
Stoney
be President Obama and President Biden both said Maduro needs to be taken out. But now that Trump's done it, yeah, all of a sudden the lip tards are free. The Dictator free the dictator, even though both of those Democratic presidents wanted him removed. So, right, really,
Jason
yeah, I mean, this is a we're in a new place right now, and I've been while I am, I'm favorable of ridding Venezuela of a of a terrible, terrible political leader. And I don't believe his claims on on the presidency are very good, but well,
Stoney
he has no claims on the presidency. He was not the president of Venezuela. Yeah. He never was. He was not elected. He was a dictator. He was Hugo Chavez. Named him as his successor, and that was it. Yeah, I believe he was
Jason
some sort of like driver. He was a truck driver, truck driver.
Stoney
He was a truck driver.
Jason
So yeah, he he's done well for himself, well up until now. But you know what to me? See what, what's very eye opening about this whole thing is just how the United States, yeah, was able to go in there, oh yeah, with a special forces group. And I know they utilize other parts of the other homes for
Stoney
they used every part
Jason
but the guys that actually landed down inside of a military base and was able to scoop him and his wife and out the country without a single casualty,
Stoney
on our side at all. On our side, right? Cuba is bitching right now because the Cuban government was the because he couldn't trust his own people. The Cuban government offered his protection. Yeah, yeah, and those were the guys who got kind of taken.
Ian
I learned this recently upon like looking into this some more, is that we came in and we took out their anti aircraft weaponry with aircraft, with our aircraft. And apparently, what they're what they were saying was, is that China is a large distributor of anti aircraft weaponry for other parts of the world.
Stoney
And we just showed them how
Ian
just came in there. There's a lot of people that, I think also, this is also a big show of strength, I think, from the American military still that even though you may think you have a lot of anti whatever, probably supply China, just know that we still could probably come in and
Jason
what, yeah, you know that. You know, if you remember back during the Clinton era, Clinton gave a lot of secrets to the Chinese, and sometimes I'm wondering if that was by design to kind of give the Chinese an idea of this is where we're at. But we were really so far beyond that at that point in time, right, right? That could have been a Psy op, so to speak, Yeah, who knows?
Stoney
Gives you outdated stuff? I don't think so, because Hillary Clinton was given the Russians uranium. So I don't, I don't, I think he was just making their money. But one thing about it, that whole operation used every military contingent that America had Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force. There was even Space Force personnel involved in this thing. And that was a message, oh, yeah, that was a message to other parts of the world. And that was a message to people in America, if you think about it, the message is, the military is behind me, yep, because only one leak that was intentional leaked out about the whole operation. Do you know what that was? They told Hakeem Jeffries, right after our people were on the ground, putting him and his wife in the helicopter, and they let Jeffries know what was going on to see what he would do. And he called him to let him know America was on the way. Now they know. Now they know. They know where the leak was no way, and everybody is just bitching at Donald Trump, saying, How could you treat a world leader this badly? You know what his response was. What are you talking about? I let him have his plus one. Yeah, exactly, yeah. I said I allowed him to have his plus one. You know what I'm talking about. Ian, no. What's that his wife? He let him take his wife. Because Can you imagine what the people of Venezuela would have done to her? Right? Yeah, you know what I'm saying. They he said, I'll let him take his plus one. So they took him and his wife out. Yeah, and he is spilling the beans.
Jason
I'll be very curious what is going to come out of that, because
Stoney
we already have a list of the politicians that were on their take right
Jason
of anything that comes out regarding the 2020, election that, to me, will be entry, because there was a lot with,
Stoney
you know, where the Dominion and all that the Dominion voting machines came from there, from there. Yeah, I believe. Plus some other stuff too, with the Biden crime family, in conjunction with Maduro pulling up all the prisons, all they were emptying the prisons. They were emptying the insane asylums and sending them to America. And that's coming out, yep, where everybody's saying, Oh, that's not true. That's not true. Well, Maduro is spilling his beans, just spilling the guts right now, and saying all that's true, plus some, some guy over there, Head of Security Council, or whatever is, has given the list of the politicians that are on the payroll from that Maduro administration.
Jason
All that every one of them should be completely canned, taken out well and
Stoney
put in jail, fired. Yeah, people in jail this time?
Jason
Yeah, it really was. You know, also, what was interesting is some of the weaponry that was used kind of harkens back to our conversations with Brandon, really, oh yes, I've been meaning to actually reach out to him. Thought it would be very interesting to talk about some of these Sonic Weapons. You know? Yeah, guys were just bleeding from the nose and mouth and couldn't do it. They felt like their head was going to explode. It, in essence, incapacitated. I think Stoney, what you're talking about that, you know, the Cuba was, was, you know, they were complaining about loss of life. I think I saw a figure of 33 guys, 32 or 33 Yeah, I think I saw something to that effect that they had that were taken out. But you know, hey, you know, what is Cuban people doing over there in Venezuela? I found that funny, but
Stoney
Maduro knew he couldn't trust his own people. He was a dictator, and his people did not like him. He's been killing them, jailing them, all, kind of horrible stuff. To him, who could you trust to protect you? And so that's where it came from. But what Trump's done now, or the American administration with President Trump, has screwed China, because about all the oil there, they have the largest oil reserves in the world, in Venezuela, yes, at one time, Venezuela was the number one Latin American country period. Yeah, it was the richest. It was the richest. It had everything. And then Hugo Chavez comes into power, thanks to, you know, the CIA and some other people, and completely destroyed it. Within 22 years, it's now the lowest
Jason
unfortunately, I blame the I blame the, you know, this is where the detractors will come in, about America's, you know, track record on some of these type of regime changes where we ended up. You know, people claim the same thing with, with happened in Iran, with, with the revolution that happened with with the with the Ayatollah coming in. But, yeah, I think my understanding what led to Chavez coming in was the previous leader was wanting to think demanded, wanted more of a cut of the oil, and I think,
Stoney
well, America built all of that, exactly everything that other countries are benefiting, the communist and socialist countries are benefiting from now, like China, because they just take over America, right?
Jason
They just take over all the the industry that has been built by a capitalist type nation, and so they just take it over, and unfortunately, it just stagnates and it falls apart because there's, there's within that, that political ideology, there is nothing to motivate people to take chances and to go out and try To make money. I mean, it's, you know, so that's kind of goes back to that fundamental difference between capitalism and communism is, you know, how do you, you know, the biggest drawback on communism, while in theory, on paper, it sounds good, it it completely robs individual of any motivation to try to go out and take chances and kind of, you know, kind of move the needle, so to speak, revolt.
Stoney
Yeah. Think about it like this. Madame said it, we're going to remove the volatile individualism, and we're all going to enjoy the warmth of collectivism. Okay, it's bullshit. It's what it is. And they're singing this little song, and look what happens to it. It sounds good to start with, but then eventually, the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. Well, that's what I'm saying. New York is already doing that they're
Jason
running out of money, and I'm hearing companies are picking up and getting hell, it's huge. You know, it's huge.
Stoney
I've given some, some of the list on the show already, but it's even bigger than that, and it's crazy.
Jason
The people who generally cheer for these type of people, or, I mean, I'd say it, are generally the people heavily dependent upon government subsidies to live their lives and and a lot of times, a lot of women who, generally more so, depend upon these type of policies for their, for their, for their, you know, well being and stuff like that. I mean, just look at who are the people cheering for mondami. He got elected, there's a lot of hate, say, a lot of white women voted for him, and it's like, and that kind of goes into the kind of the what we've mentioned before, with what's happening in the political divide between men and women. Unfortunately, as I said, it, it robs people of the ability to go out there and, you know, what's it you know, what's it worth for me to go out there and take a chance and try to go build wealth, right? Because ultimately, to build wealth, you have to take chances and you have to work. You got to work. I mean, it's just, that's what I'm saying. So there's got to be that carrot constantly in front of you to motivate you
Stoney
see right there, that's the thing that kind of irritates me about the libtard Democrats talking about this country was founded on immigration, absolutely, but those immigrants who started in this country were workers. They worked from the sun up till sun down. They built something. They built a civilization. You can't have immigrants coming in with their handout. It's apples and oranges. It's not even close to being the same thing. Don't compare these immigrants that are wanting free handouts and what, $8,000,000,000.20 $2 billion in California, 8 billion in Minnesota and and tampon Tim and all this kind of stuff. This is, this is not the same thing. Quit trying to compare it. That's what irritates me the most about the immigration debate. Yes, America was founded on immigrants. I Yes, 100% it's not the same type of immigration. And now, you know, this is crazy, and I'm sorry to tell you this, that the UN and a lot of countries have come after America for invading Venezuela. And I'm sorry America did not invade Venezuela on that date. They were undocumented visitors, yeah, yep, you're right. Okay, they did not, I like the way you said that they did not stay long enough to receive all the subsidies that they could have like in America they got in they saw, you know what? This isn't for us, and left, right? But there's a whole little group that says this might have been an inside job to get him out of there. It could, you know, because they knew exactly where he was. They knew how many people were going to be there. They knew everything, most of the times, to have this kind of an operation with no casualties on our part. Yeah, that's hard. Now we have the best Army and Navy. And when I say, let me rephrase, the military in the world. The men and women of our military are absolutely amazing to go in and knock this out. How many times have they done that? This started with Jimmy Carter, when Jimmy Carter tried to get our hostages back and the Ryan hostages, I don't know if you remember that Ian, I know Jason. He's probably old enough to at least know the stories of it. But we lost everything, every piece of equipment,
Jason
everything. It was basically another Bay of Pigs. Well, we
Stoney
our machinery couldn't handle the desert sand, right? And we went to try to and we lost everything. Luckily, we got our people out, but we lost everything, and that changed how our military operated. Now, Vietnam taught us a lot, oh, yeah, but that, that instance, right there, changed our military. Changed how we thought about things changed how we trained people, and we have the best people in the world. And this, this event right here, showed, oh, yeah, yeah, what America's truly capable. It's not just, I
Ian
wouldn't be surprised if the meetings and the logistics side of it, and the like back rooms, like secret conversations, I wouldn't be surprised if all that took substantially longer than the mission.
Stoney
Of course, it did. Oh, planning something like that. Oh, I can say that from Protective Services. I planning that is insane.
Ian
So I can only imagine, like it may feel like an inside job, but it's also
Stoney
there was no nobody said anything. Nope, no one he that was a message. The military is on my side. And the one person that they kind
Jason
of let know there was, that was the test,
Stoney
that was the test, that was another message. If I let you know, yeah, I'm gonna let the world know who you busted to trust so. Hakeem Jeffries, why is he not in jail for treason right now? Kash, Patel, Pam Bondi, President Trump, I challenge you to. Day start putting these people in jail. It's time. It's why you were elected. It's time to start putting these people in jail. Democrat, Republican, I don't care if they are doing treasonous things, put them in jail. If you want my number, I'm sure the FBI has it, please give me a call. I'll answer any questions you have on why I said this publicly. Start putting these people in jail. It's time. The only way to make change in this world is to make that change. And these people don't think you're going to put them in jail. Start putting them in jail. It's time.
Jason
I agree totally with you, and I'm
Stoney
sorry guys to go off on that tangent, but this irritates me. You have a traitor. We're talking about Venezuela, and the event that happened removing Maduro, and we had a traitor. Yeah. Who? What is he? A congressman. Yeah, a US Congressman was given an opportunity to do the right thing and chose to be a traitor. Why the why not that moment, the minute he made that phone call, the FBI should have rolled up. The Secret Service should have rolled up and put his butt in jail. He should be in jail right now.
Jason
The problem is sometimes it's just politically. It's don't
Stoney
care about the political part. If you commit treason in this country, go to jail. I think do not pass go.
Jason
I think that would just been something else to rile up the democratic let them rile up. Because in that, I mean, right now, they're already saying that the Democrats are going to take the house. So, I mean, when that, if that, if that happens, then you know, they're going to start trying to impeach Trump. I'm pretty much going to kill anything he's trying to do. I'm telling you that election is going to be critical to see.
Ian
When does that happen? It's this year,
Jason
okay, I think it's in November. It's in November. So I mean, traditionally, the party that's in power in the presidency loses the midterms. It's just the way it is, because the other side is all riled up. And I mean, Lord, look what you're seeing. What's going on in Minnesota, some of these other states that are protesting. And so I think the idea of arresting Hakeem Jeffries, which in any other time period in this country's history, he would have been toast. Oh, yeah, right for you to pick up and to warn a foreign guy that basically it was a criminal, yeah, that you gave him a warning that the Americans were coming for you to me, that tells me everything I need to know about you, dude, it really does. And it's a shame that we have gotten to a point in this country that they've got people who is okay with that. And it's, it's, it's just a, I don't know. As I said, something has changed in this country about our grandparents would have never, ever thought this would be just, I don't know where, I don't know where some of these people are coming from. I mean, they're just completely, they're they're completely deranged. Yeah, I'm reading an article here. You know some of the reactions that and of course, it's, it's all predictable. You know, United Nations voice deep concern Tuesday over the dramatic US operation. Venezuelan warned that it clearly undermined a fundamental principle of international law. States must not threaten or use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state. Raveena, shamada, Zaya, I'm pronouncing that right. Spokesperson for the UN rights office told reporters in Geneva international communities to come together with one voice to insist on that she added,
Stoney
and why wasn't the UN involved in stopping all of these, these boats from coming to America with their drugs, because they don't care. Okay, then shut the hell up. We decided to do something about it.
Jason
I think, I think Trump is, that is what, why people he invokes the reactions that he does and why there were so many people that were a part of the international world order did not want him there because they know you he was capable of doing this, yeah and not it was gonna do it, not yeah and do it yeah doesn't care about the rest of the world. I you've kind of seen this pushback on NATO and basically Trump calling all these weak European countries out for basically turning your military into glorified policemen. And you know. Really, you really can't do anything. You know, their their budgets for those their defense of those countries, have been reduced because they've been relying on the United States to do everything. And finally, you've got a president in this country that's willing to say, this has got to stop NATO, supposed to be an alliance, and everybody's got a bit of pitch in to do this. This is not
Stoney
just pitching in America. Has been the only one pitching in exactly, and I'm not sure of the exact things, but he's basically stopped that check, yeah, basically the UN has to come to America on a case by case thing for money. So he's no longer writing this, this check to the UN every year that was billions and billions and billions of dollars for them to spend as they want. Every time the UN wants money from America, they have to present it case by case. And I think that's pretty neat. Yeah.
Jason
Well, he's definitely turned the spigot off, I can tell you, it's like I've always said that if America was truly serious about one controlling the drug trade, you know, border security, if it truly had The mindset that our country had at one time look out, because women, we could shut down a lot of shenanigans quick, right? But I hate say it, just like we saw with Hakeem Jeffries, yeah, we've got, there's a lot of dark money that is flowing into these campaigns of these congressmen and congresswomen out there that are getting elected, that are doing the bidding of these foreign countries at the expense of America.
Stoney
Well, they found out why tampon Tim became what's her name's running mate. Shit. Here comes rain damage again. Kamala Harris's running mate. He was a nobody. How? Why did he come out of nowhere to get picked to be the vice president? Because the very next day, $35 million was put into their coffers for the election, all coming from Somalians. So he by him coming in, boom, they funded the, you know, started funding the campaign against Donald Trump. That's why he was picked, right? So that means this guy, nobody was one heartbeat away from being president. You don't think there wouldn't have been a cover up then of the Minnesota stuff. Oh yeah, it would have been crazy.
Jason
Well, it says Trump claimed that the Venezuelan vice president del C Rodriguez had been sworn in as president shortly before he spoke to reporters and added she that, added she had spoken with Marco Rubio, she's essentially willing to do what we think is necessary to make Venezuela great again. Very simple. Trump said, so, okay, so the question is, is, what is going on here? Why all of a sudden, this Venezuelan has just kind of taken the center right? You know what? While sudden we need to react. There's a couple things people need to be aware of that there is a larger geopolitical kind of a issue with with Venezuela. We all know right now that China is its desires, is to rule the role rule the world, and they're not going to necessarily do it with military force. They're doing it with basically making deals with all these countries. They're floating loans. They're doing all these things. And what happens? They know these countries can't pay these loans back, so what they do is they start see seizing the capital assets in that country and seizing the means of of production. So, in essence, they take the country over economically, right? That's what they do. So this is kind of what was happening in Venezuela. Matter of fact, Ian, you mentioned some of the the technology that supposedly the Venezuelans had a lot of this technology was anti stealth tech that was given to them by the Chinese and by the Russians and by the Iranians, okay, and that all failed. So that tells me what they thought, where they thought America's technology was, was far. They underestimated the US tech, tech level of of where we were at militarily, right? So what, in essence, what Trump has done is, in essence, removed. Move the collateral off the table, making all these loans that the Chinese have floated useless. They are worthless. Well, they
Stoney
started in the early 2000s loaning money. It's basically oil for infrastructure, if you look at it. So basically they're giving them all these loans, and the guarantee for those loans, kind of like collateral or payments, right? Was the oil well, guess what? Now, the oil is gone. All's gone. So what does all those loans are? Sort of like when America and the American companies went in and built the oil infrastructure, when the dictator Chavez came in, it removed all America's investments in there, made it. They just lost it. Well, now all of China's investments, same thing, they've lost it, because now the guarantee of that oil is not there. So, you know, they're not just a banker anymore, right? It's gone. So it's a it's a great ploy. It just happened in America's favor. Normally it happens against America, right? This time, it just worked in our favor. You know, a lot of those loans were directly tied to the oil output. Yep, you know. Hey, we're gonna put out this much oil. You're gonna get some of this where, you know, we're gonna cut it, deal with you. We're gonna, you know. And now it's nothing zero.
Jason
I found it interesting that they've been chasing down, you probably saw in the news that they were chasing down some of these flag tankers that supposedly were trying to circumvent the embargo.
Stoney
Yeah, rush, they got, well, they get, they're circled. They're around one of them,
Jason
and they got it. So to me, it's the idea that, you know, Russia was trying to somehow protect it. The US Coast Guard just sees it right there. It just, it just shows it just shows you that the Russians couldn't do anything about it.
Stoney
Well, think about this. Now China is going to have to come in and renegotiate all of this, but now they're going to have to do it with somebody that's more America's kind of put in there. And so how much us pressure is going to be able to come in now with these new negotiations to hopefully get some of their money back, yep.
Jason
Well, I personally think it's trying to kick the Chinese out of the Western Hemisphere. And same thing is going on down there, the Panama Canal, you know, for you know, Panama Canal was basically given away. I'm sorry, who is America
Stoney
exactly that? Who built the oil
Jason
goes under Teddy Roosevelt, Well,
Stoney
right now, Black Rock owns the Panama Canal, right?
Jason
Well, they've tried to go in there, and they
Stoney
own the Panama Canal.
Jason
So it's all about this. I'm saying there's a larger geopolitical, oh, yeah, issues that are going on. Why these countries? And as I said, it's not part of our topic tonight, but the same thing right now is going on with Greenland. Yeah, it's the same type of thing going on right now. It's you're projecting what the world's gonna look like 2535 years from now, and how the power dynamics are working. Because right now, China controls about 90% of the rare earth minerals, which are absolutely essential for everything that we build. I mean, our military would grind to a halt, right? If we did not have these? Well, guess what they find in Greenland? Yep, massive deposits of rare earth minerals. And that's what that's the only way they break the Chinese monopoly. So that's what I'm saying.
Stoney
That's kind of, I love the way you said that, because this event in Venezuela, it shows that China's backyard is not off limits to US operations and pressure now, because at the you know, you could really consider now, at this point, Venezuela, China's backyard, right? You see what I'm saying in this show directly, that their backyard is not off limits.
Jason
And you don't, don't think that some of these big tech gurus like Bezos, Elon Musk and all these, you know, that make semiconductor, you know, all the tech and all that stuff, right? Don't think they're saying, Look, we have to break our dependence on China for this stuff. The only way to do this is for the United States to secure areas that are rich in these areas and bypass the Chinese monopoly. You have to do that. Otherwise, you're utterly dependent upon them, and if all of a sudden they decide, You know what, we're not going to give you any what does that happen? I mean, where does that force you now? Mm, hmm, so.
Stoney
But you see, other countries are getting ready for this. I don't know if I talked about it in the last episode, but Japan is no longer defensive. Oh, I think they've changed their philosophy. No, they have this year, they have they are the third largest military spending country in the world. Tell them back they are going to be offensive, ready before it was react, defensive, reactionary, only since World War Two, and now they're because they are ready for China. They they think, what China, you know? They said, basically, if China goes after Taiwan, we will act. Yep, Japan was impressive. Well, okay, I'm sorry, Japan was impressive. They have to, because they had some bad leadership, but they were impressive. And if they, if they are going to be offensive again, getting ready for what China can do.
Jason
That's on the downside, you know? And I've listened to several podcasts. I've a lot of people who are criticizing this decision to do this and right what President this sets now this, this basically say, Well, you know, if Russia wants take Ukraine, go and go and take it. If China wants Taiwan, you know what I mean, if American go do it, why can't we do it? Now, of course, I think it's totally two different things. It is completely two different but I think on a simplistic surface level, I can understand that where that kind of thinking would come from. Justification. I think if you start thinking, you know, thinking a little deeper than that, you'll say, yeah, it's a little bit of difference between that, because
Stoney
they don't care about that. They want to justify what they want to do. And they'll pull any string they can to do that.
Ian
Yeah, whatever they have to.
Jason
I saw that Maduro is he was indicted on four counts, Narco terrorism, conspiracy, cocaine importation, conspiracy possession of machine guns and destructive devices, and conspiracy to possess machine guns and destructive devices. I'm kind of I'm curious, yeah, why would they? I didn't realize it was illegal to own machine guns, and I don't know in other parts of the world, because other parts of
Stoney
world, I don't think it is.
Jason
They got kids. They got kids that are running around with AK 47 maybe there is. I don't know. I'm just reading an article right here. They say authorities allege powerful and violent drug trafficking organizations such as the sinola Cartel and the trend de aruga gang worked directly with the Venezuelan Government and then sent profits to high ranking officials who helped and protected them in exchange. So Maduro and his wife were initially taken to a US warship and then flown by plane to New York on that Saturday afternoon. So interesting, yeah, now he did declare, he did plead not guilty, and he said he was a political prisoner, not, not as a defendant. So be very interesting how this plays out in the in the New York courtroom. So, right, you know,
Ian
do we know how long it's gonna like, how long it's gonna be or it's just gonna
Stoney
wait till he finishes spilling, yeah,
Jason
he said Maduro was highly guarded, and a presidential palace akin to a fortress. And he tried to get a tried to get to a safe room, but wasn't able to get there in time.
Stoney
Well, I have a question about that. Do you think they'll keep an eye on Hillary Clinton now?
Jason
Yeah, because what secrets, what secrets might get exposed there?
Stoney
Well, I mean, you know, how many people has the Clinton Foundation right had removed, and this would be a classic case of the Clinton Foundation coming in and removing another right person, like the Epstein stuff, which, of course, the Clintons are now fixing to be held in contempt of court for not showing up for the, you know, the Epstein thing.
Jason
You know. Who cares what they do? Because that's what people say, you know. But yeah, anybody else? Yeah, if it was a Republican and it would be all over it, be all over it. But, I mean, we all know that they said, just kind of reading here, how, what Trump how he was describing how the operation went. He said, Trump said, US forces. Love how he described, yeah, say, US forces practiced the operation ahead of time on a replica building, and the US turned off almost all the lights in Caracas. That's cool, although he didn't detail how they accomplished that. Kane said the mission had been meticulously planned for months, relying on work by US intelligence community to find Maduro and detail how he moved. Lived, ate and what he wore, that's crazy. The mission involved more than 150 aircraft launched across the western hemisphere. Kane said helicopters came under fire as they approached the target area, and said he said and responded with overwhelming force.
Ian
Overwhelming force is great. That's so that's cool to hear.
Jason
Yeah, they said the US does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, and the legal implications of the strike under US law were not immediately clear. The Trump administration maintains that Maduro is not the legitimate leader of Venezuela, and claims he's effectively turned Venezuela into a criminal enterprise at the service of drug traffickers and terrorist groups. And we all know that. We found out that Hezbollah, it was you, he had opened his country up for Hezbollah to come in there and train and so that's what I'm saying. There's a lot of stuff going on in that country, and you just can't have these kind of rogue actors like that opening up their country to these people that are openly hostile to the United States. I mean, you just can't do it wild. So, you know, of course, everybody's moaning, complaining, you know, Trump is, you know, this kind of feeds into this. Trump is a dictator, and he's he's ignoring the Constitution, and if
Stoney
no, he's following the Constitution. I mean, the UN is saying we need to, what's the word I'm looking for, make yet, crap. We may have to pause this one here and fix it. Okay, we need to make America isolated. We need to isolate America. And I'm like, please. Okay, can we do that? Can we isolate America? Pretty please. I like that idea, but that's what they're calling for right now, right? And I think that's a great idea.
Jason
Yeah, they said Trump had said, you know, because I remember watching the news, you know, who's gonna be running Venezuela says, you know, Trump says we're gonna run the country until such a time as we can do a safe, proper and judicial transition, interesting, and it has to be judicious, because that's what we're all about. We want peace, liberty and justice for the great people of Venezuela,
Ian
and I love how there's so many people, for so many Venezuelans, that are like celebrating the fact that they did this. And there's so many people that have never actually stepped foot in Venezuela that are complaining about, you know, well, they don't care about, I know they hate Trump. Yeah, I know exactly, care about
Stoney
Obama and Biden said something needs to be done about Maduro. But now, all of a sudden, since Trump did it, oh, yeah, oh,
Jason
they didn't. They didn't free the dictator. Free the dictator. They didn't want to use any political, political capital and doing what they needed to do. Yeah, they say the Justice Department released a new indictment, but they said the legal authority for the attack, which echoed the 1990 US invasion of Panama that led to the surrender and seizure of leader Manuel Antonio Noriega. So yeah, I remember when that happened. I remember. I remember Noriega waving that machete above his head. He was talking to his people, and found out how, how, how little he was.
Stoney
Wait a minute, you know, like you just said that. I want you to know if you remember Maduro, yeah, invited Trump to come get him. He said, he said, I'm waiting for you. Yeah, come get me. I mean, technically, we had an invite. Technically, I mean, if the world was that would be, if I was President Trump, that would be my calling card. I was invited.
Jason
I would have loved to seen the reaction on his face. What when delta forts drop in there and go. Hello, knocky, knock.
Stoney
We're here. President Trump sends his powers.
Jason
Grab your wife. We're gone. See ya. Just call it a day, you know, I just absolutely just, I found it absolutely just, I'm just imagining what he's thinking, and all of a sudden, you hear explosions, and all of a sudden, oh, I'm pretty
Stoney
sure he had to change his underwear. Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure he had to change his underwear.
Ian
That's wild.
Jason
Well, I believe the I saw that the the person that was going to run against Maduro in 2024 I think, remember, I think she won the Nobel Peace Prize. Oh, really, she had mentioned that she would donate the prize, basically, to Trump. No, because Trump was supposedly, supposedly was up, was good, was up to possibly get that award.
Stoney
Nobody put him up, though, right? You know. Obama got one couple weeks into Office for doing absolutely nothing, and Donald Trump has stopped wars, freed hostages, done everything you can imagine, and can't even get nominated.
Ian
What is he's hated too much.
Jason
That's right, yeah, he's just, I mean, he look, there's nothing he's ever gonna do because he's if he
Stoney
cured cancer, oh, they found a way to hate him.
Jason
Well, they'll say, they'll say, Well, he only did it because somebody else.
Stoney
No, if he if he cured cancer tomorrow, the headline would be, Donald Trump has created poverty because no more profits in drug monies, you know, they would just, it's ridiculous.
Jason
I just this kind of, you know, this kind of, I mean, it's got to a point where it's just ridiculous. Now, I think it kind of rolls off of people's head now. I mean, other than the people that are kind of radicalized and riled up about all this other stuff that's going on with ice and everything, well, there's
Stoney
so much fatigue going around. I think people are tired of the Trump hate we have Trump hate fatigue right now. Yeah, it's, it's tiresome.
Ian
Um, it especially when I feel like there's actual people that are like, terrible people that are probably deserve some focus and some actual hate.
Stoney
But Hakeem Jeffries would be one of them, just for being a trader. But how many more other traders are there? You know? I mean, it's ridiculous.
Jason
Yeah, they say Venezuela's acting president del C Rodriguez is positioning the country for a new era, signaling potential reforms to the oil sector and working diplomatically with the US after maduro's capture, Rodriguez's call for a legislative support to open up Venezuela's oil industry. Amazing how that works. Funny, huh? She goes. She's also vowed to release more prisoners as part of attempts at political reconciliation. Has already held a phone call with President Trump.
Stoney
Has not released those prisoners to America. It's released the political prisoners from Maduro that went to jail for speaking up against him, right? So it's a different kind of release prisoners, yeah, but still, yeah.
Jason
We are work. We are in a they said. International Monetary Fund said, Well, only consider restoring ties with Venezuela for majority of its members recognize a successor government after maduro's ouster, a key step toward unlocking economic support. The US has seized a sixth oil tanker linked to Venezuelan oil shipments and what officials describe as enforcement of sanctions and efforts to control crude exports, highlighting the continuing economic and geopolitical tug of war over Venezuela's energy resources. Of course, it is the largest oil reserves in the world. I think I saw something like three, 50 million barrels, or something like that, some massive amount. Now, my understanding, I was kind of what the kind of oil that they can pull out and under. There's only certain refineries that can refine that oil, and believe it or not, most of those refineries are in Texas and
Ian
Louisiana. No way. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Jason
They're actually built to process that kind of oil. Interesting.
Ian
I wonder what that's going to mean in the in the big picture,
Jason
yeah, the opposition leader that was telling you about earlier is her name is Maria Karina Machado macchiato, or M, A, C, H, A, D, O, yeah. And she goes, she presented her Nobel Peace Prize medal to Donald Trump during White House visit, a highly symbolic act amid ongoing debates over leadership and legitimacy, they have 303
Stoney
billion barrels, which is roughly 17% of the global proven reserves.
Jason
I think, yeah, then they mentioned, I think the goal was to be able to sell 50 million barrels. And matter of fact, I think I saw that money has been has exchanged, and Trump parked at 500 million in a in a bank in Qatar. Because if you put it in a US Bank, it becomes part of the US. And then the Congress then has the authority to spend it. And so I think they just, I think he basically says, I don't trust any of you. No, I think y'all all on the take, and he parked it hit a banking guitar. So you may want to look at that. I saw an article on that. Yeah, they said, Yeah, where is it at,
Ian
yeah. How much money do you say it was
Jason
500 million. I think I saw
Ian
Don Hold on. Stop, stop, stop,
Stoney
hey, can I have a paper towel or something? Yeah, just blowing up. It's going,
Jason
Yeah, I'm looking at it talking about, you know, just kind of going back to this geopolitical angle, to all this China. And according to a new report from the US China economic and security review commission Beijing's footprint Venezuela's deep financially, strategically and even militarily, the Commission explains that China's relationship with Venezuela accelerated rapidly after Hugo Chavez was elected in 1998 marking the start of a much closer political and economic alignment between Caracas and Beijing. Fast forward to 2023 and the two governments officially upgraded, upgraded their ties into what China calls an all weather strategic partnership. That's one of Beijing's higher level diplomatic designations, and it signals plans for long term cooperation, spanning politics, trade, energy and more. Yeah, but the report also emphasizes something important. This partnership may be strong, but it does not create formal security guarantees the way a treaty alliance would. So what does pop propping up Venezuela actually mean. Critics often say China has been propping up Venezuela, and based on the Commission's analysis, that really comes down to money and oil. The USCC says Chinese policy banks have loaned more to Venezuela than any other country in Latin America, and analysts estimate that at least 10 billion in Chinese loans remain outstanding. That's crazy. Yeah, the report says China purchases most of Venezuelan oil, even in the face of US sanctions. And that oil revenue is crucial because it represents over half of Venezuela's fiscal revenue. So when China buys Venezuelan oil, it's not just business, it's survival.
Ian
Wow, that's crazy.
Jason
So this is a really good report here, really kind of gives a lot of good information, kind of on that relationship.
Ian
Seems like it runs deeper than I thought it was.
Jason
Yeah, the Commission also notes that much of China's Venezuelan oil intake may be under counted in official import figures. Since the report argues the vast majority of China's oil imports from Venezuela are recorded as shipments from other countries, and in the broader discussion of how sanctioned oil keeps moving, routers also reported a shadow fleet tactics tied to Venezuela's oil exports, including vessels disguised under false names and shipments routed through intermediaries for China bound purchases. Interesting. So I'm telling you, it's, this is this is what is go. This is what the critics don't understand. The long term game here. Oh yeah, we're trying to neutralize China's ability to power their economy. That's what this is about. Now, if you
Stoney
take that, what's happening in Iran right now too, because you see, Venezuela has the number one reserve of oil. Okay? Saudi Arabia number two, but Iran is number three. Interesting, but right now there's a little bit of upheaval in Iran right now.
Jason
Oh yeah, they got issues going on there. They say also that they that same report, reports that Venezuela is the largest purchaser of Chinese military equipment in Latin America, the equipment described spans serious hardware, including armored vehicles, rocket systems, missiles and military aircraft, and a report claims that some of it has been used to suppress protests inside Venezuela. Interesting. I want
Stoney
to break this down a little bit. You know, we keep talking about billions of barrels that these countries have and and this is rough, but roughly, the world uses 100 to 104 million barrels per day of oil to generate whatever it needs. So. So that's 36 to 38 billion barrels per year, and that includes crude oil and other liquid fuels using transportation industry and petrochemicals. Yeah, so you know that that's pretty significant, and they're saying by 2027 that consumption may be 108 billion barrels per day. So, I mean, that's significant, a lot, it's a lot. I mean, the oil here is finite, right, but it's an insane amount, right? But it's still finite. Well, you know, as I'm saying, that
Jason
what's happening here, and just how deep the Chinese have kind of embedded themselves in this country prior to this, this event, they said, the report identifies that the Chinese also have access to two satellite ground stations inside Venezuela. Okay, it has the El sombrero satellite ground station located on Captain Manuel Rios aerospace base, and the lupibia satellite control ground station described as a backup. So according to this report, the facilities handle telemetry tracking and command functions for a Venezuelan civilian
Ian
satellite. Okay?
Jason
So, yeah, now they're saying, The Chinese say they can access this remotely. But I'd be very curious how they can fix that. Well, I
Stoney
mean, think about it like this. You know, the world is roughly using 100 billion barrels of oil every single day. Okay? Math out, that's right, billions of barrels a year. So even with electric cars and renewables, yeah, that demand is not going to collapse anytime soon. Okay, we can wishful think all we want, but it's kind of the same thing with plastics. I love all these people who say, Stop all plastics. Okay, well, give your phone up. No, I'm not giving them a phone up. Well, that phone is plastic. Yeah, exactly, you know. I mean, stop making plastics. Well, you can't, because our lives would not be the where they are if we didn't have plastics. Well, how do you make plastics?
Ian
Oil? Yeah, petrochemicals,
Stoney
yeah, petro chemicals. So it's crazy. But, I mean, are they thinking 120 you know, million barrels per day by 2050 right? That That's insane. That's crazy, but that's also why oil means power, right? And just so y'all know that America is let's see they are ninth in that list, with 69 billion barrels.
Ian
Okay? That's interesting.
Stoney
Kuwait has 102 Russia has 100 100 8 billion. Canada has 168 billion. But it's oil sands, okay? And getting the oil out of that is a little harder, okay, like Shell Oil. America has a lot of Shell Oil that doesn't go into our number, yeah, because it's hard to extract the oil from the shell. Okay, so, you know, that's a whole nother process that's kind of expensive, but if we had to, we could, right? So interesting,
Jason
yeah, I saw the article. Do y'all see that? Regarding, you know, Exxon has basically said that Venezuela is on investable, and basically Trump has basically removed Exxon. I think it's going to be Chevron, or whatever company. So, of course, Exxon is, is the company that built all that infrastructure down there, and the only
Stoney
one, but they did a lot, yeah, they weren't the only one.
Jason
The name of that, that last tanker that got Seized was the Veronica, okay, yeah. The Veronica is the sixth sanctioned tanker seized by US forces as a part of the effort by Trump administration to control the production, refining and global distribution of Venezuela's oil products, and the fourth since the US ouster of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. Yeah, interesting.
Ian
Okay, this is a where this pans out to, yeah. I also want to know, like, when is there going to be, like, a, are they gonna I know the like, I think he's had a trial, I think is what you've said. But like, he's gonna have, it's gonna have a trial. Okay? I'm curious as to when that's gonna happen, and are they gonna He's
Jason
dead his plea, so he's pled not guilty. So I guess whenever that date will will come,
Stoney
and just for the record, it's just so. We're throwing that out there. We said, how many tankers have been
Jason
I think it was six. I saw there was a six one rated
Stoney
a small tanker holds 500,000 to 750,000 barrels. Medium tankers, roughly a million. Large Crude Carriers, 2 million barrels. And Ultra large Crude Carriers hold three to 4 million barrels.
Jason
That's those super tankers. Those are those
Stoney
super tankers. Those are huge those have been mostly kind of phased out because of Port limitations, right? But that's okay, but
Jason
they say Trump met with executives from the oil companies last week to discuss his goal of investing 100 billion in Venezuela to repair and upgrade its oil production and distribution. His administration said he expects to sell at least 30 to 50 million barrels of sanctioned Venezuelan oil.
Stoney
But think about this, if we use 100 million barrels a day, that's 50 very large tankers
Ian
a day. That's crazy, a day a day,
Stoney
yeah, so it's they're called vlccs, very large Crude Carriers, yeah. And so roughly, we need 50 vlccs, or 18,000 18,000 full super tankers per year, which the super tanker, you know, didn't have near that much. But that's kind of crazy, if you think about it, for Lord, that's a lot.
Jason
Yeah, do we're able to find that dollar amount I was telling you about where I was, where I read that article about this money, that because they sold, I think, the first 50 million barrels, and I think they parked that money in another account. Let's see. I'll be very curious what you find on that, because it's got everybody all upset.
Ian
Yeah, the only thing I was, I give maybe I'm typing the wrong thing. I wasn't able to figure out how to word it properly.
Jason
Yeah, just put money. Okay, Qatar. Okay, let's see. We see money deposit into money Venezuela, into Qatar bank, or something along those lines. Let's see.
Ian
Let's see why Trump's i
Ian
$500 million you found it? Yeah, it says $500 million what I thought it was saying that Trump administration will be will keep money generated from the sale of Venezuelan oil across multiple bank accounts, the large, largest of which is located in Qatar. According to the reports, it says that the oil deal is worth 500 million they justify the decision to hold some of the proceeds in the Gulf state, rather than US banks, by pointing out that it is a neutral location from which the funds could be freely and safely moved without risk of seizure. Interesting. Oh, I'm curious.
Stoney
Do this math, the average, average rough cost of a barrel of crude is $64
Jason
Oh, right now. I mean, it's got plenty of oil out there, and gas prices are pretty low right now. I mean, I've been seeing reports of below $2 a gallon.
Stoney
We've had it below $2 here. Yeah, I've bought it at 198 and 199 in the last week and a half.
Ian
That's crazy. But that's also I love that. Yeah, I love that. Though, I am really curious to see where, how this whole thing pans out, like what, not only what his trial is going to be, but what's going to happen, you know, all that kind of stuff in the big picture of things, how, how are things going to get operated in Venezuela? Yeah, I'm curious.
Jason
Well, if you know I mentioned with the IMF, if, if that can be reopened, I think that gives them access to 4.9 billion. IMF has to wait until major shareholders recognize a new Venezuelan Government. IMF, Venezuela tie suspended since 2019 Yeah. I mean, so hopefully they can kind of get it.
Stoney
I think the Venezuelan people are ready. Oh, yeah. Oh, they are ready. They're going to do everything that they can to help expedite that. Yeah, and there are. Be talking about holding an election and putting somebody in and getting the government running so that they can get back to a the life that they led, oh, yeah, before two dictators came in and destroyed their gorgeous, profitable, you know, country, yeah, and put made it nothing. It's the it was the lowest South American country since these guys have done what they did. If I'm not
Ian
mistaken, I think it was like it was the most impoverished. I think that's,
Stoney
that's what I'm talking about. It went from the top to the bottom right.
Jason
But that's what happens. It's yeah, it's just, you know, they can't they just, you know it, you know, this idea that somehow, you know, you impose this ideology on everybody that basically robs people of what I call the spark. Yeah, to that. That what, that's what makes America unique, that spark, which, you know, the you want to call it the Protestant worth Act, the capital, the idea of, I'm tired of being shackled to monarchies where, you know, I'm a serf. I can't raise my station in life. I want to be able to make it or break the sweat of my own brow. You know that that kind of drive, that kind of makes somebody that I come from poverty, but look at me now. Yeah, you know, when you you remove those incentives for people, then this is what you get. You get broken economies. You get because they can't get it through their head that nothing's for free, someone's paying for it.
Stoney
Oh yeah. Well, that's how socialism works. I've used this example before. You know, you take $500 from one person and give $100 to five people, you've lost one vote and gained five votes, but eventually you're gonna run out of $500 guys, money Exactly. And then what you gonna do? How you gonna keep paying these people? Well, that's when, that's
Jason
when everything descends into chaos. And it just you get these strong men in there, and they become dictators, and they do terrible things to people who don't like them. It's just kind of the natural life cycle of these type of because when people are making money and their lives, overall, lives are better. You don't have people trying to run around overthrow the government, right? Because they're too busy trying to make money, and they're they're having a they're living a good life.
Stoney
Yeah, they want the American dream. They don't want
Jason
people do this when they're basically their backs up against the when they get hungry, exactly when there's nothing else I can do,
Stoney
yeah, when they're hungry in philosophical and
Jason
that's what's happening in Iran right now. I think I saw the latest. The economy is so bad over there. I think the average Iranian was making like, $120
Stoney
a month. Yeah, these are the government has our has killed 12,000 people.
Jason
Yikes. I'll be very curious what's going to happen there. I know there's a lot of international pressure, and there's pressure at home not to get the US involved in that, but it wouldn't surprise me if we got the CIA that's not
Stoney
there are. They've already been working. They're bringing about bringing in the old Shaw's son, yep, into that. He said he's ready. He's been, I don't know where he's been living since that happened, but if
Jason
they can overthrow that, they kicked the Islamic rev, Islamic government that country, and get that country back to was pre 1979 you talk about would be a complete it'd be a massive counterbalance to Islamic influence in that region. You know, people forget that there's a lot of native born people living in Iran that just completely reject this Islamic Yeah, kind of title because, I mean, they were Persians and what a lot of people, you know, kind of going way back into biblical times, there was always very good relations between the Jewish people and perversions. I mean, people forget Cyrus the Great, yeah. I mean, there's always been a kind of a friendly, kind of relationship there. So which would be huge if you can get that country to basically be a counterweight to Turkey,
Stoney
if you look at the historical garb of these nations before this Islamic radicalism came into it and covered them from this the garb was beautiful, men and women, the way they dressed, the way they did things, was just it was very flamboyant. It was just colorful. It was nice. It was and now it's just. Nothing. It's horrible.
Ian
Yeah, it's
Jason
horrible, yeah, right now though, until they get that stuff straight,
Stoney
well, it's happening the people,
Jason
I think the people have had enough. As I'm saying, we are seeing what is right now, is being you're seeing the history being made right now. I feel you're
Stoney
also seeing it being made in America, right? Because what's driving around New York now? Oh, yeah, the Muslim community police officer, yes, I saw that. Okay, you have, oh, this is, this is beyond belief to me, that this is allowed. Okay, that's happening.
Jason
It's happening all over this. I mean, Stoney, it needs to stop. I mean, Texas has been infiltrated with these people. It is luckily I saw some good news in Oklahoma. They denied a permit to build a mosque there.
Ian
Good for them, interesting. Good
Jason
for them. Because this is crazy. This is what they do. Yeah, this is what they do. And I
Stoney
hope there's been a petition that got 700,000 signatures in New York. So mondami is going to have to have a what is it? Some kind of an election in April that could recall a recall election, because they got enough signatures to do a recall election on him,
Jason
really, if you if you look at the what when he got elected, if you look at the voter turnout for that election, it was a lot of people that even bother to go vote, yeah, I guarantee you they're Waking up and going, What in the world did we just allow into this city?
Stoney
Because when his housing director comes out and says that Owning a home is white privilege, and white people need to be prepared to give up their homes now. Nope. Wait what? And this woman, her mom and dad, live in a $1.6 million home, yeah, oh, yeah. Wait, what? That's right, what? Excuse me, squeeze me. Yeah.
Jason
It's, I'm saying it's, that's what they do. They go into societies that have built this stuff and just take Yeah, and just take it over, and then they end up destroying it. Now, I'm telling it's IT people, it's gonna be a wake up call. Oh, yeah, I don't think people really understand what they voted for with this dude and these, these, these, oh, they do now,
Stoney
executive order, he said, Oh, busses and mass transit are going to be free. His first executive order raised it to $3 crazy. He's a liar.
Jason
Yeah, I just, I did. I just think we got up, we got to be you got to be careful with that. And I'm telling you, I know we're an open and free society, but you cannot allow that element to take root. I mean, look what's happened in Dearborn, Michigan, yeah, like, what's happened in Minnesota?
Stoney
It's, we're learning is happening in Ohio. $22 billion lost in California.
Jason
It is, this is what to me, is these politicians that are on the take, that are basically selling the legacy of this country for dollars in their campaign. You know, shame on you, shame on you that you don't have any more proud idea of your ancestors would be turning in their graves right now of what you're allowing to happen this country in the name of freedom, right? I mean, I this idea that, well, there's nothing we can do to yes, you can. You just simply say no, yeah, yep. You gonna you,
Stoney
I'm gonna do what's right for the American people one time the
Jason
heritage of this country is Christianity. Yeah, I know that's going to be uncomfortable for some people, yep. But if you were, you want to be Muslim, then you're not going to be able to, sorry, you got to practice in your house or do whatever. But this is a Christian country. It's a Judeo Christian backdrop. That is the value set that this country was formed on.
Stoney
Well, the first thing they need to do is make Shari law illegal in America. Yes, in any form, it does not coincide with our constitution at all. Therefore it is
Jason
already illegal. I am waiting. I would love to see some federal legislation filed on that. I agree. Yeah, there's no place for that in the United States. And I'm telling you so everybody out there, interesting times. You got Venezuela, you got Iran, you've got Greenland,
Stoney
and you got everything happening in England right now too. England is
Jason
right now. And what I'm seeing England's in trouble is in trouble. They are absolutely in trouble. And I'm telling you, I just feel like
Stoney
Charles needs to turn that over to William, and there's. One clause in the Constitution that says that they can get, what is their government, the parliament. He says they need. He needs to, he can, he can dissolve parliament and start over. Oh, and he needs to do that. He Charles just needs to give it up. Give it to William, with all the strength and the youth and the exuberance that he can bring into it dissolve parliament and start over. Because, what London? What 10 or 12 of the major cities in England are Muslim mayors?
Jason
Yeah, yeah. There's something wrong with this. I mean, it just if you cannot see they have literally learned in one generation. Yep, they have turned their country over. Yeah, they have robbed their their their future kids, of the country that they should have received from their ancestors. Yeah, what they have done is irresponsible and criminal. And I, I'm telling you, there's a, there's a sinister force behind that, yeah, it's called demonic. And that's a different, that's a different that's a different topic. Maybe it's something we could talk about the rod, the rise of Islam in the United States and and around the world. Maybe that is something we need to talk about. But it's people get a little uncomfortable when you start talking about that. Of course, we have been, we have been fighting that religion since, oh yeah, the fifth century. I mean, the fifth and sixth century, since it came out of Arabia, we have been fighting that. The Christian world has been fighting that. So, you know, I don't know guys, it's a what it said, the computer predicted in 73 that the seeds of the unraveling would be seen in the 2020s, interesting, interesting times,
Ian
interesting times. Well, I'm curious to see what everyone else has to say about this situation. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who got a lot of opinions, and some are probably going to be offensive, and that's okay if you have sure I offended somebody.
Stoney
Sorry to interrupt you there. I had to throw that in there. Be willing to bet, if anybody
Ian
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Jason
goodbye everyone and God bless.
Stoney
I don't have a really fancy closing for today, but I would like to leave you something to think about going into the future. When you compare how big a gummy worm is to a gummy bear. It creates a very disturbing image of the gummy world. Thanks for hanging out with us today. You're the best. Peace.