Katie George- Backpacker, Physician's Assistant, Pyography and Watercolors

My guest today is Katie George. Katie is an avid backpacker and has hiked in Yasuni National Park in Ecuador, Denali, North Cascades, Alpine lakes and Crater Lake among others. She has just finished her degree and works at Columbia Memorial Hospital as a physician’s assistant. She did research in Ecuador and Panama, worked in Alaska and is an amazing artist. Her current passion is pyography, woodburning, but also does watercolors, oils, pen and ink and charcoal.

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                                  Welcome to episode 13.

My guest today is Katie George. Katie is an avid backpacker and has hiked in Yasuni National Park in Ecuador, Denali, North Cascades, Alpine lakes and Crater Lake among others. She has just finished her degree and works at Columbia Memorial Hospital as a physician’s assistant. She did research in Ecuador and Panama, worked in Alaska and is an amazing artist. In high school she entered the Lucerne Cow Art contest and still has her full sized cow project. Her current passion is pyography, woodburning, but also does watercolors, oils, pen and ink and charcoal.@gmail.com

Jan Johnson

0:12

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Jan Johnson

0:32

Hello, and welcome to Women of the Northwest. Today for episode 13. I have Katie George. Hi, Katie.

Katie

0:39

Hello. Nice to have you here. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.

Jan Johnson

0:44

You have a good Christmas?

Katie

0:45

I did. It was um, I don't know. It felt quick and long because of the snow like Christmas Day fell quick. And then it was like, I don't know, the never ending snow.

Jan Johnson

0:55

Just went on and on. And then all that rain. Yeah. Yeah, it

Katie

0:58

was kind of crazy.

Katie

0:59

Kind of crazy, huh. Let's see, um, let's talk about some things that you have done before, like maybe fun hobbies like you'd like to backpack and hike. What kind of places have you gone to? 

Katie

1:12

Yeah, so I love being outside. And I was introduced to backpacking, kind of by my sister when I was living up in Alaska. And we did our first backpacking trip ever in Denali, which doesn't have trails. So we like had to use a map to decide where we were going through the whole place, which was really fun. And I've also done quite a few trips up in Washington. Some of my favorites have been in the North Cascades, and then also at in the alpine lakes wilderness.

Jan Johnson

1:39

That sounds fun. What was the most challenging thing you've done so far?

Katie

1:43

As with backpacking? Ooh, I think probably well, I also went to Patagonia like right before PA school, and that was very challenging because it just like, I had to, I was doing everything by myself. So I packed everything. So I had to carry like a huge tent. And it was a four season tent. So it was very heavy. And it was old school. And it was like from maybe the 90s Wasn't like my wisest decision to bring it but that was it was just like, you know, cold at night. And then also like, very taxing on my body, but very beautiful.

Jan Johnson

2:15

And maybe you didn't have the right clothing.

Katie

2:18

I have the right clothing. Like I'm definitely had enough layers and everything but it just like the wind chill at night, which is why I brought the really big heavy duty tent. It just kind of like like my tent would be frozen over in the morning. I was like warm, but you know, and I had to think about getting my tent to the next spot.

Jan Johnson

2:37

Yeah, so it has his backpack from probably the 80's or so with the metal frame. He's trying to talk her into using it. She's not really interested.

Katie

2:49

I think she used it once, didn't she?

Jan Johnson

2:53

Maybe but not very far at all.

Katie

2:55

Yeah, I remember I remember the story of it. And everyone thought it was such a cool backpack. And she was like, I hate this backpack. It's just not working for me.

Jan Johnson

3:04

To just not always wear that. Yeah, no,

Katie

3:06

she actually shares my mom's old backpacking backpack now. Oh, yeah. You've been reborn into another life.

Jan Johnson

3:14

Well, and you guys did some backpacking and overnights in the snow.

Katie

3:18

Yeah, we did. That was really fun. I was at Crater Lake over winter time last year. And Emily, I just gave her the shovel and she made our snow fort and she was like pro status before she even started. So it was really like beautiful and I was warmer than I thought I was gonna be thanks to her.

Jan Johnson

3:36

I kind of like doing the hiking vicariously watching her.

Katie

3:39

Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

Jan Johnson

3:42

that's really pretty.

Katie

3:44

I like yeah, I'm enjoying this from the comfort of my bed. Exactly.

Jan Johnson

3:50

I went out to Gnat Creek and I took Jasmine yesterday. 

Katie

3:53

Oh, I love Gnat Creek. It's really beautiful,

Jan Johnson

3:56

nice little hike whenever she wanted to. I said how's the hike? You know, compared to the Philippines. She's from the big city. And she said to get to any hiking you have to fly or really do it's expensive travel and play. So she hasn't done a lot.

Katie

4:19

That's what I love about here. Like, you can just, you know, pack up and yeah, drive an hour or you can drive five hours like I'm driven to Banff before for backpacking. And that was like really fun. But I mean, you can pretty much go anywhere. Yeah. And your husband likes to do that with you. He does he does about a trip a year with me. It's always like I have to plan it out and pick like not too challenging of a backpacking trip because then I did that mistake in the very beginning when we were dating and it wasn't a real trail there was like a lot of blow down so like crawling over trees for a while is super steep and really hot and lots of flies. And he was like, Why do you like this?

Katie

5:06

And you said, Well, I actually don't exactly like this —this isn't this is not a good intro to backpacking. So I definitely have made it made a conscious choice to pick more well known and established hikes that aren"t too physically demanding like that hike, kicked my butt, and it was his first backpacking trip. So yeah,

Jan Johnson

5:29

we'll rethink that first date option, right? Yeah.

Katie

5:34

It's kind of like I we did a thru hike and then Chapman's, and it was 22 miles. Oh, my. And I along I think I convinced him to do it just because it was too early in the relationship for him to say no. He's like, I like this girl. I'm gonna do what she asked me to and just I don't think really realized what he was getting yourself into. Like, both of us couldn't move the next day. We were like,

Jan Johnson

5:57

the next day you go. Okay, where could each of us compromise?

Katie

6:02

Yeah, I was like, okay, it was beautiful. I would do it again. And actually, Emily's done that same hike. But yeah, just very long. Especially for the like, not avid hiker. Right. So.

Jan Johnson

6:16

Great. So you are you grew up in Swenson, what was your? What was growing up? Like? Well, your mom is an amazing gardener.

Katie

6:26

Yeah, yeah. So we had some acreage and I grew up with like horses. And we did 4-H too. So we had the chickens and the pigs in horticulture. And so my mom was just very, you know, involved in getting us outside and kind of nurturing that part of me. And then I have an older sister and Gretchen and I both ran cross country, I think my dad got both of us into running. And then that Emily also ran cross country. And we did that together and did a few sports. And it was just feel like when I think about growing up, I think about like, spending the time with my family and how that shaped who I was, but then there was like the school aspect of it, which was like completely different. 

Jan Johnson

7:11

School in Knappa has some really good things because of classes yeah, there's like, people know your name. 

Katie

7:19

Yeah. Yeah. And, and like, you know, people could definitely tell that I had like an interest in science. So that was nice that I enjoyed math, too. So kind of got those classes and was able to move up in them. But yeah, it definitely had its benefits, but also its challenges because it's so small, like not having a lot of class choices. And then just kind of like once you reach the upper level classes, like there's not really much else to do. And then also like learning how to study that was something that took us it took a long time. And it was I did not learn how to study in high school, I learned how to study like at the very end of college, because it just took so much trial and error. 

Jan Johnson

8:00

Where do you go to college?

Katie

8:01

I went to college at Lewis and Clark College in Portland. It's like a small liberal arts school. And I did a four year like undergraduate program, and I studied molecular biology and biochemistry. And then I did art classes. I didn't have enough art classes to make it like a minor. I was like one class off. Of course, it was like art history. And I was like,

Jan Johnson

8:22

you'll never be an art teacher now. No,

8:25

never this. Yeah, ship has sailed.

Jan Johnson

8:29

Get your YouTube channel. That's how everything started now, right? So where do you think you were gonna go with your science degree what your goals were?

Katie

8:41

Well, when I in high school and kind of before high school to I think even in middle school, I was like determined to be a doctor and I wanted to go to medical school and my mom. I have like a lot of health care workers in my family, my mom's a nurse, and she was in the emergency room when I was growing up. So I really like you know, heard her stories, and wanted to, you know, work in a small community and then be a provider. And I wanted to be a doctor at that time. And so I did like, that's why I chose the biochemistry degree at Lewis and Clark, because it gave me every single prerequisite that I needed for med school. And then I kind of like, took the time to, after graduation to work in a research lab for more experience. And so I studied infectious diseases and Panama for a while. And then it wasn't until a year after that, that I was like talking with my friend and I just kind of was trying to study for the MCAT and I couldn't bring myself to study. I don't know, I was like I just felt like very overwhelmed with how much information I needed to know. And that was like the anxiety of trying to take this huge test that would determine my future and like kind of that doubt that you have in your mind of like, I'm not going to have a good score. Why would I even try Did you?

Jan Johnson

10:01

Did you have to listen to Amelia Fitch's?

Katie

10:04

No, not yet. So one of the things she was talking about was imposter syndrome. Uh huh. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that I have right now. I just don't feel like I belong

Jan Johnson

10:14

I really fit here. Yeah. Yeah, you know, gaining the confidence,

Katie

10:19

right? Like, yeah, it takes a while, like, I don't know, we haven't talked about this yet. But I ended up going back to school to become a physician assistant. And I am working in the job I have right now as a provider, and I definitely feel the imposter syndrome creep in. And even when I was a student, like, I felt so inept. I was like, you know, you do one year of in class, like learning everything in the didactic year. And then you do one year out in rotations. And I just had so many questions. And I just felt like, clearly, I had this highlighter, like, on my head that was like, she's a newbie, like, doesn't know anything, don't ask her questions. So I definitely feel that

Jan Johnson

11:03

it's good to be a person to ask questions.

Katie

11:05

questions. Yeah, yeah, I know. That's how I gotta get anyone. I

Jan Johnson

11:08

don't know. I'm gonna look stupid if I don't. Yes. Yeah,

Katie

11:11

I know. I definitely like I love looking things up. But there's only so much that you can find in the literature and then like, you have this case, and there's so much complexity to it. And yeah, so you have to ask those questions and learn and

Jan Johnson

11:23

tell me more about when you were in Panama and the studies you did there.

Katie

11:26

So I was there for half a year. And so I worked in, it was like a biomed lab. And the part that I was working in was with leishmaniasis, which is an infectious disease, it's like transmitted through sandflies. And it causes like cutaneous lesions that are really, really hard to cure and treat. And so they were looking at developing like an animal model to study it better in and then they were also looking at, like therapeutics to find a drug that would work to, you know, cure the infection. So I, I had like, odd jobs, like, when I was there, like, they would infect like these white blood cells. And then you'd have to like count how many of each little sandfly like egg was, or Yeah, leishmaniasis egg was in each cell. And then I also worked, they were working on a paper research paper. And so they had me do a couple. I did, I don't, I don't, it's like been so long. And I kind of blank it out. Because like, it wasn't, it wasn't my full cup of tea, like, I definitely enjoyed the work. And I really liked working down there, and having that experience, but like, I knew then that I did not want to go into research. And so I did some writings for the paper. And then I was able to get published with that, and then a different project that I was working on in school. But that was really, like a good experience to kind of figure out like, okay, like, there's this side of, you know, medicine and you can kind of be more in the research game or, you know, I definitely wanted to be more hands on with like medicine and have patients and

Jan Johnson

13:10

yeah, how did you end up down there?

Katie

13:12

it was kind of a funny story, because I was really interested in this other research project that was more like biology geared not so much like big biology, not like small biology. And that was in Ecuador, and I had studied abroad in Ecuador. And there was this place in Ecuador that it's called the Yasuni National Park. And it's like one of the most biodiverse areas on the planet. And I love it so much. And I actually got to visit there in my senior year of college. And so there was an opportunity there to be like a field assistant, and to like, spend six months down there and doing that hands on. Yeah, I was like all about it. But all my classes weren't like the big bio stuff. It was all like microbiology and biochemistry. And so I didn't have the skill set that they were really looking for. But I applied anyways, because I was like, maybe it'll take me like, you know, you never know if you don't try. So I applied. And they really liked my application, but they were like, you don't have the experience. So then they put me in contact with the other opportunity. That was the internship in Panama. And then that's kind of how I applied to that. And I just really after I graduated, college, I just didn't want to jump into applying to med school right away. I feel like I was procrastinating things. And this sounded like a good procrastination tactic. 

Jan Johnson

14:34

Yes, yeah. Yeah. 

Katie

14:36

And yeah, so that's kind of how that all that happened. And then from there, I

Jan Johnson

14:42

wasn't ready to totally adult. Yeah, yeah,

Katie

14:44

I don't think I don't know if I'm totally adulting now either. I tried to like put that put that off, as much as possible.

Jan Johnson

14:57

And so now Alright, so then went to Ecuador, and then you did finish up your degree. And now you're working in Astoria. 

Katie

15:06

Yeah.Yeah.

Jan Johnson

15:07

So with your mom,?

Katie

15:10

I get to see my mom, I don't work in clinic with her. But yeah, along the journey of life, I decided that physician assistant school was like, where I wanted to go. And I just put all my eggs in that basket and just really worked on school applications and getting exposure and experience. So worked in the ER, and I didn't get to work with my mom in that time in the ER, because she was already in the pacu. But she'd come when we were busy and like, help, like, clean the rooms and make beds and so I got to see her in action. Yeah, it was it was nice.

Jan Johnson

15:45

Is the job turning out to be like you thought it would be?

Katie

15:49

No. And yes, like, it's just kind of, I guess, like, I thought that it would be one way because I had experience and I knew what like the ER setting look like and what my role look like. But then when I had to, like, you know, go back and do like all that critical thinking and like how a clinician would think and that sort of thing. I definitely did not know what that training looked like, and how difficult it was for me to grasp. Because it's like, not only are you trying to learn like a different language, pretty much. And however, the whole human body works, but then you're also trying to figure out like, what's wrong with someone when you're just learning all these other aspects? And that's why

Jan Johnson

16:30

that's why you leave for a while and go check it out on the internet.

Katie

16:35

Yeah, I'm back. Yeah, yeah. No, really, I do still all like, just tell the patient like, oh, I need to ask my supervising physician something or a colleague, and I'll step out because like, you know, you don't want to guess what's going on. 

Jan Johnson

16:51

So they don't want you to guess, 

Katie

16:53

no, definitely not. So yeah, definitely look up as much as I can in the room. And then if I'm not getting an answer, then I can go and ask a colleague, and then we can come up with a better plan.

Jan Johnson

17:03

What's your caseload like?

Katie

17:05

Right now? It's, I see eight patients a day, roughly. So seven to eight patients. And then once I am up to the full panel, I think it'll be like 16 a day. Yeah. 

Jan Johnson

17:18

Wow, 

Katie

17:18

I might get halfway there 

Jan Johnson

17:19

Taking it easy!

Katie

17:20

I am. I wouldn't call myself a slacker because it feels very overwhelming. Yeah. But they're starting me slow. And they started me even slower. Like I was seeing one patient a day when I'm very first started. So I would be like, Oh, my gosh, the one patient. Yeah.

Jan Johnson

17:37

Sidney and I have joked around about her, going back to her college and nursing classes and saying, Hey, guys, this is what it's really like

Katie

17:49

Yeah, yeah. My sister, would agree

Jan Johnson

17:51

you need to know about? Yeah, this is what's gonna happen,

Katie

17:55

right? Yeah, I remember hearing that really well from my sister, who's also a nurse. And she, you know, did nursing school thought it was going to be one thing and then was like, shaking my head. Yeah, like, definitely the, the, there's the skill sets that you need, and they will teach you how to do it. But it's, it's a different world when you start practicing. Yeah. Yeah.

Jan Johnson

18:21

And it's different when you maybe got stuck on a really difficult floor.

Katie

18:26

Yeah. Yeah. I bet.

Jan Johnson

18:29

Yeah. Like, Oh, really? You can be an IV drug user. I didn't know that there was such a thing. So let's see what kind of, so you do some art. Tell us about the art stuff that you do.

Katie

18:47

So right now, I'm focusing most on pyrography or woodburning. Then I got started on this when I was living up in Alaska. And they had a music wood factory there, which is what they put what how they make guitar tops. It's like a special kind of tree. And the grain is like, super straight. And with the old growth, like, it just rolls out, like, the sound is the best. 

Jan Johnson

19:14

Resonant. 

Katie

19:16

That's the word. Yeah, yeah. And so they had these pieces in the art gallery there and I just meandered in there. And the woman that owned it was like, Do you wood burn? And I was like, No, I don't. She said that I should start. And I started and I haven't stopped since and that was six years ago.

Jan Johnson

19:38

So you enjoy it.

Katie

19:39

I love it. Yeah, maybe seven years ago now. 

Jan Johnson

19:42

what are the kind of pictures that you do? 

Katie

19:45

I do a lot of focus on marine life. I love whales and sea. 

Jan Johnson

19:51

I think I remember maybe some second grade pictures of whales.

Katie

19:55

Yeah, yeah, it was like whales and horses. Yeah. Haven't woodburned to horse since I was probably 16. But I would not be opposed to going back to like drawing horses all the time. But I love like octopuses and fish and killer whales and humpback whales and yeah, yeah, I just I don't know, there's something about like the movement of all those animals are very fluid and water like and then what is just so you know, yeah solid and yeah, but I just like incorporating both yes and yeah

Jan Johnson

20:31

integrating them both together to kind of meld it Yeah. 

Katie

20:34

And it's just I don't know it's visually pleasing with the like patterns that happen with the a lot of sea creatures and so I like to use those patterns in the woodburning too

Jan Johnson

20:45

what's the one you made for my son Jed was pretty big. Oh, yeah, yeah, the largest or have you done larger than that.

Katie

20:53

That one was the biggest like the second biggest wood burning I've ever done and it was a squid it was like a message in a bottle. It was like a ship in a bottle. And then the squid was like wrapped around the the bottle. And so that was pretty. That was a very large one. Usually the octopus or like anywhere from 12 inches to like 24 inches so

Jan Johnson

21:15

and having done made some note cards with those too. So yeah, some pictures.

Katie

21:21

Yeah, I've made some greeting cards and then stickers. Everyone loves stickers. 

Jan Johnson

21:25

Everybody loves too Yeah,

Katie

21:27

so definitely need to order more of those. But those are really fun to put with my would burnings or drawings or whatever. So

Jan Johnson

21:36

And watercolors. I have a little watercolor that you made

Katie

21:39

Oh, yes. I love those ones. Yeah, I've done haven't watercolored as much as I'd like to. And I definitely want to start oil painting more. But the thing that I love so much about wood burning is that it just packs so nicely away. And then I can open it and just work on it for like 30 minutes or I can work on it for five hours. 

Jan Johnson

21:59

Yeah, and doesn't have to dry. 

Katie

22:00

Yeah, it doesn't have to dry. It's just waiting for the wood to burn is the the time part. But

Jan Johnson

22:05

what kind of wood do you use?

Katie

22:06

So I started out with Sitka spruce. And then now I just kind of use like lighter woods that burn well and aren't toxic. Yeah, I feel like I've burned on cedar and I don't I don't think that's really, it's not my, my preferred wood. And then I have done maple. I really like I think Maple is a really good wood to burn on, like curly maple. My dad just got me a really cool piece of wood, it's locusts. And it's like light. But then there's also like a darker color that's like woven through. And it's a live edge board too. And I'm super excited about that, though. It's like my favorite Christmas present. Thanks, dad.

Jan Johnson

22:45

So what inspires you? 

Katie

22:47

For my art? Yeah,

Katie

22:49

I think just life in general and nature and being out in kind of just appreciating what's around me. And then wanting to capture the beauty of it and share it with others. And that like I said before, like the patterns like I just really pulled to that with like the octopus like tentacles and like the black and white of an orca and kind of like playing with the cemetry and that sort of thing and really enjoy 

Jan Johnson

23:15

Do you like the process or the end product?

Katie

23:19

Oh, I think I like both. Yeah, the process is probably why I do it. And it's very meditational for me, and it gives me like space in my mind. Like, I'm not a still person, like I don't like to just not do anything, and my mind is never not thinking about 5 million things. So when I'm forced to have something like a project like that keeps me on task. Like that's probably, I don't know, I think it's just helpful for my mind to kind of decompress and not feel like I have to study more, or I have to like read all these new articles or, you know,

Jan Johnson

24:01

I concentrate. Like if I go to, I don't know, a convention or class or something. I'll knit or I'll do something with my hands because I listen so much better. If I'm doing Yeah, and I remember better.

Katie

24:16

Yeah, I have spent many nights putting on a podcast and listening to the podcast, but then also wood burning. And so it's like, I don't feel like I'm totally, you know, abandoning what I need to be doing and like learning things. But I also get to do some fun stuff.

Jan Johnson

24:32

Yeah, yeah. I think there's a lot to be said for doing that kind of thing as far as how your memory works, and things or how you think in

Katie

24:41

Yeah, yeah. Because you can only remember things. The more stressed out you get about studying and learning those things to it just doesn't stick and then you're kind of like in that mode of being open to learning,

Jan Johnson

24:55

being creative and that Yeah, that's great. Well done. At the end of this, I'll put some links to where people can find your artwork. Yeah, maybe definitely watch a little you probably have some little video. Yeah,

Katie

25:08

I have some nice time lapse and I need to make another one because I I really enjoy making those. But yeah, I have like videos and pictures of my artwork there 

Jan Johnson

25:18

Are you doing any volunteer work?

Katie

25:21

Not right now. Yes, I finally feel like I'm getting into the groove of my new life and being back and done with school. So I, before I went to school, I did a couple volunteer things. I did one at Knappa High School, and I got to actually get a grant that paid for, like every art student to have a wood burning tool. Yeah. And then I brought over some of my I call it scrap wood, but I mean, it's still nice wood. So I did like a pyography class there. 

Jan Johnson

25:55

Oh, that's cool. 

Katie

25:56

Yeah. So that was that was fun. I like I would like to do more things like that. And kind of just increase the exposure to I think just arts in general. And then wood burning, because not a lot of people do it now.

Jan Johnson

26:08

Yeah, it is. And that just made me think about your cow. Yes. Tell us about that.

Katie

26:13

Oh, my gosh. So I entered this contest. In high school, our art teacher like had everyone in our class like submit if they wanted to, he didn't force anybody to do it. But if you wanted to there was like this really cool like Lucerne art of dairy contest. And so you would you draw, you drew out your initial design in like a smaller outline of a cow. And the that year the theme was a taste of music. And then you had to incorporate dairy and art and then music because of the theme. And so I chose to incorporate orca whales, cuz I love them. Yeah. And I painted them with like a Holstein pattern. So they were more like cow print. And then they were using, like eco moo cation Yeah, to find the the cheese, which was Swiss cheese on the bottom of the cow. I think probably sounds really crazy when I describe it, but they were like, music notes to the cheese. And then the there was like this piano that was wrapped around the cow from the legs. And so like the whales were swimming through the piano. And then there was like the music notes. And then on the other side, there was an octopus with the Holstein pattern too. And he was playing a violin. And that was on like the chest of the of the cow. And then so that was my design. And then they actually chose me to be one of the two finalists in Oregon. And I got to paint a life sized cow. 

Jan Johnson

27:38

And it was probably challenging. 

Katie

27:40

It was challenging, but everyone was so excited about me getting this cow that like, all the teachers were like, Yeah, Katie, like, go work on the cow. Like you're excused, like, just go to the library. And so the cow was on wheels, and I would just drag it through the hallway in Knappa. And it was just hilarious. And I had my own little studio area set up in the library. Yeah, it was just a really fun project to do. And it was I think it's my senior year. Yeah. And then I didn't get selected as a finalist for like the top grand prize. I think it was like $10,000, you could have won. But I got to keep the cow, which was like, prize enough. I was very excited about that. So now the cow lives in the barn. And it will come I came out at my wedding. Or it will come out for parties and people get really excited and like to sit on the cow. And yeah, we'll take pictures

Jan Johnson

28:30

to get a picture of that. So I can post that. Yeah. Yeah. If you were gonna tell a high schooler who was considering what to do or maybe medical field where what advice would

Katie

28:42

you I think I would give them the advice of definitely getting your hands involved anywhere, like get the experience that you can as soon as possible, just to see what it's like to work in healthcare, because a lot of people don't even know what how, like hospital work looks like what an ER looks like to work in what a clinic looks like. So there's a lot of jobs that you can get, if you want to, like get your ma license or if you want to get your CNA I got my CNA before I started. And then my other bit of advice is to take classes that you can at community college 

Jan Johnson

29:22

cheaper, 

Katie

29:22

it's cheaper. Yeah, like I knew I was fortunate that like my degree that I got at the four year college was like the degree I needed for my end profession. And it gave me a lot of prerequisite classes but if I had changed my mind totally like I would have had been out like a lot of money and a lot of time and and I think the community colleges here like they have anatomy physiology like microbiology, you can get a lot of those prerequisites and see what it's like if it's any like do you like studying science because this is what your life is gonna be like? And do you like the how rigorous The classes are because they're, they're not easy classes and chemistry especially like, just trying it and seeing how you feel and learning your study habits earlier on and having that like Grace time to. Maybe you're not a full time student, and maybe you're working part time and then you get those classes and just kind of, you know, don't feel like you just spent a bunch of money and time for no reason if it didn't work out.

Jan Johnson

30:25

Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like good advice. Yeah. Well,

Katie

30:29

I didn't I didn't take that advice.

Jan Johnson

30:32

Nobody told you that advice. No, your sister should have told you

Katie

30:35

Yeah, she should have she messed up. No.

Jan Johnson

30:40

Tell us how we can find you on Instagram. So my

Katie

30:43

Instagram for my art is Katy George gallery. And then on my website is Katy George gallery.com. And then on my Instagram, and on my website, I think you can I get linked to Etsy, and I have an Etsy site too. Yeah.

Jan Johnson

30:58

Great. Well, Katie, this has been great. Fun.

Katie

31:01

Yeah. Thank you so much. We're gonna need to say goodbye. Okay. That's it for today. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you. All right.

Jan Johnson

31:08

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Jan Johnson