Kari Keith

SUMMARY KEYWORDS 

people, belief, life, health, mindset, limiting beliefs, true, inner dialogue, mindset shifts, change, creating, Kari, limiting, talk, action, unhealthy, lose, clients, coaching, form 

SPEAKERS 

Female Age 61, Dr. Philip Ovadia, Kari Keith, Jack Heald 

Female Age 61  00:10 

He was a morbidly obese surgeon destined for an operating table and an early death. Now he's a rebel MD, who is Fabulously Fit and fighting to make America healthy again. This is Stay Off My Operating Table with Dr. Philip Ovadia. 

Jack Heald  00:34 

Yes, and we're live. Well, it's the Stay Off My Operating Table podcast with Dr. Philip Ovadia. I'm co-host Jack Heald, I'm wearing a patch, because I messed myself up earlier this week. It's not permanent. I hope. We are joined here today with a young woman I've really been looking forward to get to know Kari Keith. Phil, tell us why Kari is here. And let's get this conversation started. 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  01:05 

Definitely. And this is gonna be a little bit of a different conversation around health. But something I think is a very important aspect of health. And that's going to be mindset. And Kari is an expert in mindset. Kari is also going to help us with having carry on, we will have a new first app in the podcast. And that will be our first husband and wife team, since we had Brian Keith, her husband on a few months ago. But really excited to introduce Kari to our audience. And I think she's going to have a lot of great insight. Because we talked about changes that can be beneficial to health. But we haven't really gotten into what it takes to enact those changes and make them sustainable. And I think Kari is going to help us with that. So, before we get to that, Kari, why don't you tell our audience a little bit about yourself and your background, and how you became to be an expert in mindset, and coaching. 

Kari Keith  02:23 

Yes, I'm so happy to be here and how fun, husband and wife duo on your podcast. I started out really in the coaching world actually doing health coaching. And I was doing health coaching for people that were challenged with autoimmune conditions and with diabetes. And what I was finding, as I was doing this, the health coaching aspect of things which I got into from my own health journey, and wanting to help people really be able to heal and live their lives, live out their lives the way they wanted to without being inhibited by some kind of physical parameter, keeping them, and holding them back. What I was finding is I was doing the health coaching, and I was focusing on nutrition and helping people change habits, right, which is a lot of what you talked about wanting people to do, right? To stay off your operating table. And what I was finding was a lot of a lot of the time it was, do they have the inherent belief that 1) it's possible to change, that they can actually change their habits? Or do they have the inherent belief that I'm not an active person, or it's always been hard for me to lose weight, or I don't like healthy foods or whatever it might be, there were mental barriers to getting to the actual habit change that had to be addressed before they could pick up the routine and the habit of meal planning. There was just a complete disconnect. And so, as I started doing that, I really began discovering how much I was helping people with the emotional and the mental blocks that were keeping them from what they ultimately wanted. And so, I started diving into the psychology and the mindset work and honing in on that as a way to support people and creating the life that they want, which is what I now do, predominantly focused with women, but really, this is for anyone and everyone needs mindset shifts being able to break free from their limiting beliefs. And I do that through coaching private coaching and online courses. 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  04:31 

Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about those limiting beliefs and where they come from. I certainly would say I had a major limiting obese that I was or a major limiting belief that I was destined to be obese. My parents were obese. My siblings were obese. And so, I believed that I was just always going to be obese until I stopped believing that and ultimately, I have, I am no longer obese. But where most commonly do you find that these limiting beliefs come from and people? 

Kari Keith  05:13 

Yeah, so we are developing and forming beliefs at a very early age. So, your example is the case in point of that, you were surrounded as a child by an image of that was being reflected back to you of yourself, ultimately, right? So, you are then attaching yourself to maybe the beliefs of your parents or your siblings and their behaviors. And our beliefs that we form at a young age or by experiences, right and experience, somebody might have had of getting rejected, they might form this belief of, nobody can love me, or I'm always going to be rejected. Those types of things are how we form our beliefs to begin with. And on top of that, the belief is then what keeps you from taking action or supports you in taking action that might be the opposite direction of what you ultimately want. But we get stuck in the mental loop of replaying over and over again this belief, maybe not even being conscious to the fact that you have the belief, right? When you were a child, you weren't really conscious to the idea that you have this belief that you were just going to be, you're always going to be fat. That probably wasn't like a thing on your mind all the time. But as you got older, and maybe in reflection, you can look back and say, yeah, I definitely was attached to that belief and idea for myself that that was what was going to be my life. 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  06:38 

Would you say that that's an important kind of first step in this process is coming to recognize those beliefs that we oftentimes don't recognize? 

Kari Keith  06:51 

Yes, the first step to changing anything in your mind, and really training your brain, frankly, is beginning to understand yourself. And we can't do that if we don't have honesty and awareness to what are my actual thoughts? What is it that I'm actually saying to myself, right? Am I actually saying to myself that, yeah, I can get up in the morning, and I can go for a 10-minute walk, that is actually possibility for me? Or am I saying that I'm not a morning person and I'm really lazy, and I'm not very active, and that's just how it's always gonna be? If we're not honest and aware to what is the inner dialogue going on, we have no way to actually attack or look at what is it that we're up against? Right? What is the limiting belief that's actually fueling the action or the lack of, because what we have to do is, we have to be able to say, this is what it currently is? This is what I actually want it to be based off of my desires, my goals, the kind of person I want to be or the life that I want to have. And what are the beliefs that I would have to adopt or have to have or have to hold his truth in order to get that, and this is a lot of it is, it can be a lot of mental work, because for some people, it might have been something that their parents told them all the time. They heard all the time. And those voices we adapt as our own inner voice. And if we're not conscious to what is it that our inner voice is saying, and we think that oh, that's mine, right? That I've been telling myself that I'm just going to be fat, that's mine, but actually, my mom was always telling me that, well, suddenly, I don't have to accept that as true anymore. I can decide that that was never actually mine. And that I can detach from that and create something different. And that is where the inner power starts to come into play. Because the individual realizes I get to have a say, I don't have to be stuck in this belief. 

Jack Heald  08:56 

Sounds like you're starting with just agency as the key element in making the change. And I got to ask the question, why is it that people who need to make changes and find it difficult or impossible to make those changes, why do they not have a sense of agency? Why do they not have that sense that I can make a change to my life. Have you found a commonality amongst people? And if so, what is it? 

Kari Keith  09:37 

Yeah, well, it comes from a sense of self. For one, as we look at when we were children, you're associating your sense of self as attached to your parents, right? When a baby is born, they don't actually conceive that they're separate from the mom. Right? They believe that they're still attached in some context. And so over time, we can look at personal responsibility or agency like you're saying and say, well, what is it that people don't realize is that they are separate that they can actually have a choice. We're constantly looking outside of ourselves in society for somebody else to do it for me, somebody else to have the answers, right? Somebody else to tell me what to do, to allow me to get to where I want to be, or lack thereof. And what I found with a lot of people is there's obviously there's insecurities that are born out of limiting beliefs, a lot of these limiting beliefs, but it's the separation of, I have permission to change my mind to change what I believe is true to reflect and look at, do I even want to hold this as true anymore, right? If it's something that your mom told you, or that a teacher told you some time, or the kids at school bullied you for, we attach to these experiences or things that people have said and we assign meaning, right? We assign meaning and we assign truth. And we are doing this subconsciously, not even realizing how we're forming our sense of self or self-concept. And so, a lot of it is breaking down the self-concept and giving people back ownership of, you don't have to have all these things you've attached to over time still mean something about you. And even that realization of, I actually can change just based off of letting go of some of the things that I've thought was true about myself, that I don't actually want to be true, like, I'm always going to be fat, we're using that example. I can use the example of myself when I was 15, I was diagnosed with a really rare form of arthritis. Because I ended up not being able to use my hands, I had lost my ability to walk, it was about eight months before they finally gave me any kind of diagnosis. And I went from somebody who is extremely active volleyball player to barely being able to get out of bed and walk. And this was my first life lesson in mindset work in my personal journey and experience and what I learned over time, from having been in the trenches of telling myself that you're always going to be sick, or you're never going to be able to do a lot of the athletic things you were able to do before, right? Or people are always going to look at you differently. Or maybe it's going to be hard for somebody to love you, right? All of these stories that I built up over time based on that experience, or what I had heard from other people, like doctors telling me that I would end up in a wheelchair, right, is that I can look at that and say, but what if that actually gets to be true? What do I decide is going to be true about my life? And that simple ownership of I don't have to accept what somebody else tells me is going to be true that. I actually am the one that gets to have the power and the say. 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  13:14 

Yeah, so where are the I guess, how do you decide what is kind of truth? And what you're just perceiving as truth? Because obviously, when you're in your own mind, so to speak, and you're thinking thoughts along the lines of what you were thinking in that example how do you get out of that? How do you recognize that what you're perceiving is going to happen may not be what is actually going to happen? And that if you start thinking about different outcomes you can end up manifesting different outcomes. 

Kari Keith  14:00 

Well, let me ask you this. Was there something at any moment that changed in you that allowed you to take the action to actually change your life? Like, was there an experience? Or was there a moment where you had a conversation with yourself? Like, what was it that ultimately you were like, I'm done with this or? 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  14:24 

Yeah, so I've spoken many times about the sort of turning point, when it came to my obesity was hearing Gary Todd's deliver a lecture where he talked about just different theories about why we get obese. Then I had heard throughout my education, and those different theories led to different courses of action that I've been able to take and by taking that course of action, changing the types of foods that I was eating, it led me to success. And then I would say I was able to reinforce that the more success I had, obviously, my mindset changed. And I realized that I wasn't destined to be obese. 

Kari Keith  15:15 

Was there something in that moment to that was more than just like the facts, more than just the information being presented to you that made you want to change? 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  15:31 

Certainly, there were a number of things that had, I guess, led me up to that point. I had children, young children, we had just had our kids. That motivated me to get healthy for them, for my wife, and to be there for my family. And I think I just came to a greater realization about the patients that I was taking care of, and how I wasn't serving them as well. I had been giving them the same advice that was failing me. And I that didn't, no longer rang true with me, I guess you would say. It didn't resonate, I wasn't happy with the way that I was serving my patients. And I would say all of that came together. And then some would say, perhaps, that allowed me to be open to this new information. Because I think I've discussed it in some forums, how I was sitting there in a in an audience of a couple hundred or a thousand surgeons that Gary's giving this talk. Eric causes is giving this talk. Probably, for the vast majority of the surgeons sitting there, it didn't connect with them. It didn't resonate with them, many of them, were probably thinking, no, this is wrong. This isn't what we learned in school. And yet, for whatever reason, it did resonate with me, I was open to receiving that information. And I'm sure those other kinds of factors in my life got me to that point. But you would probably say that I was, I was able to come to recognize that limiting belief, and I was open to changing it at that point. 

Kari Keith  17:26 

Yeah, what I would say is there was a desire there, there was a desire within and that desire within God ignited enough for you to actually say, no, I'm going to face whatever hurdles I have to face in order to have the end goal that I want. And there are going to be people who, for who the desire is not there. And sometimes you have to kind of inspect, well, why is that? Where is it that they aren't finding meaning to make the changes they want to have, and perhaps there's limiting beliefs behind them? But in my case with, in regards to health, I can talk about that a lot, which is that I came to a place where I just didn't want to live like that anymore. That was as simply as I can put it, I remember crying, I remember sitting in front of the mirror in my bathroom, just hysterical, because I had been for years in so much pain, and not just physical pain, but emotional pain. I lost friends, I had been estranged from people, I wasn't really... On the surface, my life would have looked fine to everybody. But to me, and this is similar to what you said to me, I wasn't satisfied, something wasn't okay inside of me. And it was in that moment that it was like, no, I deserve more than this. And nobody else is going to give that to me. I have people in my life who are going to support me and who are going to say, you can do anything and maybe you'll feel better, and et cetera, et cetera. But at the end of the day, the person getting out of the bed is me. And what I'm saying to myself has 10 times more of an impact than what somebody else is saying to me as an adult. That's not true of a child. But as an adult, I can have more power in what I'm saying and how I'm speaking to myself and what my inner dialogue is, than anyone else. And it was awakening to that and realizing, okay, I have actually got to change the way that I talk to myself, the way that I think what I'm saying like the things of I'll never be able to play a sport again, or it's going to be hard to love me or whatever other story limiting belief that I could come up with. I had to drop those if I wanted something to change. And that's what I see a lot with my clients and people who do the courses is that there's a desire there. There's that I want something to be different, I'm not satisfied with myself. And you probably see this in a lot of people that you help change their health, right? And then you probably also see the other spectrum of that, and in patients who maybe it feels like it’s hard to really get to resonate with them, like you want so badly for them to change to make a change, and you're giving them all the information, maybe that desire is not there. 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  20:33 

Yeah, it's certainly an interesting I get to see the very different perspectives. The patients that I deal with, as a heart surgeon who are at critical points, low points in their life. They've had a heart attack; they're facing major surgery and many of them are looking for answers. But as you said, a lot of times, they're not open to the answers, they still have those limiting beliefs, maybe that are preventing them from that. The patients who I work with on metabolic health who'd come to my practice, they've sought me out so there's a little bit of a selection bias and advantage there, and that they've already taken the step to find me. And so, we oftentimes have these conversations, and are able to identify some of these limiting beliefs and start to change them for those people. But one of the things I always say around health, I oftentimes, I'll have people reach out to me, for instance, on social media, and they'll say, oh my relative, my mom really needs this information, can you help her? And typically, my answer is your mom has to want to help herself first, before I can help her. And I think that's a major factor. When we look at health improvement, someone has to want to get better before really, almost any doctor can help them get better. 

Kari Keith  22:19 

And the same is absolutely true of mindset and changing the way that you see yourself or that you see your reality, because everything that we're saying to ourselves, or the perspective we have on life is creating the reality in which we live. Right. And so if somebody that you're speaking to, for one maybe doesn't want the help, but also that stems from the belief of, I can't lose weight, or I'm always going to be unhealthy, or I don't like healthy foods or whatever it might be, well yeah, the barrier there is going to be that mental block and being able to get over the hurdle of thinking differently and even people perceiving, I think this is actually one of the hardest parts for people, as people perceiving that their life can be different from what it is, right? We have a lot of biases towards everything is always going to be the way that it always has been, right? We want to avoid change at all costs, we're creatures of comfort in a lot of cases. And so, people have this subconscious sort of programming dialed in of my life is always going to be the way that it always has been. To some extent, I'm going to wake up, I'm gonna go to work, I'm going to do the same thing. And I am who I am, that's one of the main limiting beliefs that I hear a lot, right? Like, this is just the way I am or this is, what my horoscope says I'm like, or whatever. Whatever it might be, we have these we're stuck on these ideas of I'm always going to be this way. And so, people have to first believe and perceive that their life can be different if they wanted it to be and that as a whole range of things from health to wealth to really anything that people want in their lives. 

Jack Heald  24:20 

You have created a sacred self-journal before you tell us what it was. I want to know why that I mean, why is sacred so that's a pretty powerful 

Kari Keith  24:41 

Yeah, so it all it really goes back to my own personal journey and then the work that I was doing with private clients and in that, in both of those things, I was really discovering I did a lot of journaling, self-reflection, you can call it writing things down, kind of gaining perspective, understanding myself going through an exploration phase. At a fairly young age, trying to understand the inner workings of my own mind and that my own way of thinking and how I was perceiving myself and how I was speaking to myself. And what I discovered in doing that, was that there's a lot of benefit to let's call it brain dumping, journaling, just to brain dump, right? Let me get my thoughts out, let me process, but the actual change happens when you're asking yourself questions, and really the right questions. And what happens in this change specifically, is that you start to develop an understanding and a relationship with yourself. And sacred self-journaling is about curating a relationship and a dialogue with yourself. A lot of people we hear our thoughts, or we hear what we say about ourselves when we're looking in the mirror. But is there a dialogue? Are you actually speaking with yourself? Are you actually creating understanding? And so, the sacred self-journal is actually daily prompts to help you connect with and nurture the inner dialogue, the conversation with yourself so that you can form this understanding of what's actually going on for me? How am I feeling today? What's on my mind that's maybe keeping me from taking action? Or what's going great that I'm really supporting myself with whether it's an affirmation, or a mindset mantra, what have you? And so, there's daily prompts to go through in that journal, as well as some longer form reflection prompts as well. And the key is really asking yourself the right questions. And that's the sort of state what I call a sacred connection to yourself. 

Jack Heald  26:53 

How did you stumble on these questions? 

Kari Keith  26:57 

That's a great question. It really, I mean, a part a big part of it was exploring within myself was using myself as a guinea pig. And then with my initial clients, my initial private clients, I was always giving them specific journal prompts for them to go and do based off of the work that we were doing one on one together. And as I started to see how expansive and how nurturing these prompts were for my clients, I realized I need to create a journal that uses a lot of these questions in some kind of structured way, so that people outside of who worked with me one on one can have access to building and nurturing a relationship with themselves and creating this self-understanding, which leads to so many other avenues of being able to do mindset work, get through limiting beliefs, and really kind of build a stronger sense of self. 

Jack Heald  27:55 

I feel like we're so meta right now. Those who are with us are totally with us. But we might have some listeners who are a little bit lost right now. So, let's tell some stories. Let's, tell us some stories about either yourself, or client's mindset shifts. And what the before and after was, as a result of this mindset shifts. I want people to get a sense of how they can take control of their lives through your stories. 

Kari Keith  28:37 

Yeah, so one thing I can speak to is obviously, like I was sharing with my own health journey, and in that we're talking about over 15 years of having a chronic illness and having people and doctors tell me certain things that were going to be true about my life based off of a diagnosis. And there were certain points in that journey where I completely allowed those truths to run and dictate how I lived and the actions that I took. And I talked a little bit about how I got to this point of, I can't live like this, I don't want to live like this. This isn't the kind of life I want anymore. And so, I had to make the choice to adapt something different. And the belief that I adapted was, it is possible for me to heal, it is possible for me to have full health. And let me tell you, there are times that that was really difficult to stick with it, but that belief alone, right, completely changed every single action I took as a result of that belief. And I allow all these other stories and all these other things that were getting in the way of actually creating the life I wanted to live. And I think this is important. Whether or not I actually achieved the end result mattered less than the way that I was living on the way to that, right? Because I was still living from this belief and creating my life based off of that, not based off of all these other things that were limiting me that were honestly keeping more me more sick, keeping me stuck in this cycle because I was also then mentally unwell. 

Jack Heald  30:15 

Right? There had to have been a little voice in the back of your head, when you said to yourself, it's possible to get well. There had to be voices that said, you're lying to yourself, Kari, just accept the truth. Just accept reality. How did you deal with that? 

Kari Keith  30:39 

We have lots of different voices in our heads. Which I kind of play around with this a little bit because it can get, I don't want to say heavy, but it can get a little bit intense for people that we're talking about a lot of things kind of up in the air. And I talk a lot about what I call the inner voice is the doubt monster. There's that doubt monster, always there, that wants to tell you, are you sure about this? What if? What if this guy doesn't like you? What if it doesn't work out? What if this business deal falls through? How are you going to make this? Are you sure you can get better? Right? You've failed every other time at losing weight, what makes this time different, right? It's always going to be there. And the important part is not that, oh my gosh, I need to squash that and push that away and be mad at myself for having that thought. But the key is understanding that actually, that thought was actually trying to protect me. That thought was trying to protect me from the pain of going down potentially a journey of believing something is true, and it never happening, right? It's trying to protect me from emotional damage, right? In a lot of cases, that's what doubt is trying, where it's telling us you're going up against an edge here, be careful, watch out. And we have to be able to realize that and assess that, like that's what's actually happening and not that, oh, I need to stop doing this because if I fail, then suddenly the world ends. And what happened for me in that moment was that it was more important to me how I was actually living day to day, than whether or not the end result was this ideal perfection of health. And I also had to tell myself, to really change the language that I was using to tell myself that whether it was possible or not, my belief was no longer that I was sick. Because the more I attached to that, the more that was going to be how I viewed everything. I was going to view everything in my world through that lens, which is what I had done for so many years. And I wanted to open up to the idea of what would life be like if I didn't view my world through that lens. So, I have clients who have really struggled with self-worth, as an example, who maybe have a lot of self-talk around whether or not they're good enough to be loved, good enough for somebody else. They're struggling in relationships with other people. And in doing that they have this belief that either they're not lovable, or it's not possible for them to be loved by somebody else, or that nothing that they do is going to attract somebody else into their lives. And every single time they're telling themselves, that's the worldview in which they're living through, they're seeing every potential future person through that lens. 

Jack Heald  33:59 

Are people usually aware that they're talking to themselves this way? Or does it come as a surprise? 

Kari Keith  34:05 

People are usually not aware, it's very subconscious. Which is why when we're talking about it, it can feel like we're talking about this high level, up in the clouds sort of thing, because you're not in, you're not, you're going through your day, you're not sitting there inspecting your self-talk. But so, this is a lot of the work that I do privately one on one and in my courses. The key is to really help you build that inner dialogue with yourself because it's the inner dialogue that is actually going to allow you to make the change. Right? If you... I'm curious for you, Phil, when you were making a lot of the changes in your life, what are the physical changes, health changes? Were there ever times that you that you had to like get yourself out of bed or tell yourself that you can make this healthy meal or have to encourage yourself in some kind of capacity when and maybe you didn't feel like doing it? Or it wasn't convenient, or there was another voice telling you that it wasn't possible. 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  35:10 

Yeah, I mean, certainly not only has there been, but there continues to be. I mean, on some level, it's always it's easier to be unhealthy in our world, because our world has gotten to a point where most we've talked about statistics here on the show that most people are unhealthy, and unhealthfulness is all around us. You walk into the supermarket, and 90% of what is in there is going to make you unhealthy. And you have to actively seek out, you have to actively kind of stick to the 10% that is going to support your health. So, I think that's an ongoing challenge for most people, for all people, maybe. And certainly, it's something I still struggle with on some level. I mean, it gets, it gets easier, the longer you do it. And now that I'm seven years into this journey and I have the, I've changed my beliefs, you could say, and I've set up the systems around me that allow me to kind of control my environment. But still yeah there were plenty of times where there are choices that I could make. That would be easier, but wouldn't be supporting my health. And you have to, you have to work through that. 

Kari Keith  36:50 

Yes, yeah. And I think you make an important point about the mindset aspect doesn't end, but it does get easier. Depending on in one area of your life, you might be talking about health, and then you might have a different relationship when it comes to business or money, right, in any area of your life and how you think about it. But one of the things that I think is really important to talk about is when you're looking at mindset and limiting beliefs and the beliefs that you had to change in order to take the actions to make the changes. You had moments where you had to encourage yourself, or you had to have an inner dialogue that chose something different than what your previous self might have been saying to you. Right? The story no longer could be, I'm always going to be fat. Like, there's no way that that story could have possibly been the story you were still telling yourself while taking the actions you are taking, because they're incongruent. And so that self-talk, let's call it, that inner dialogue had to change in order to support the actions changing. And you were asking about are people aware that this is how they're talking themselves? And a lot of times they're not until they start inspecting and getting that honest of well, what is it that I'm saying to myself, and nurturing that inner dialogue and recognizing maybe one, asking yourself, Is that true? Like, is that thought that I just had actually true? Another one that I asked clients a lot is, is that mine? I had a client once who was really struggling about a lot of the beliefs of her own self-worth. And what we uncovered was that a lot of the thoughts that she was having, were things that her dad had said to her growing up. That that voice was not actually her own voice, really, the was her own voice in her mind. But what was being said was coming from things she had heard her dad say. And so as soon as she was able to realize that she could say, well, that's not actually mine. And there's a lot of power in that and being able to detach yourself from something that you're hearing in your own mind, and saying, well, if that's not mine, do I have to accept that that's true? Do I have to give that meaning? Do I have to say that gets to have any kind of say in how I take action or how I live my life? And for her, it was a really big moment because she could finally separate all these, a lot of these things that have been holding her back from creating the life she wanted, feeling good about herself, the list could go on actually even supporting her health. All of these things that she wasn't doing because of these limiting beliefs and this voice that wasn't even actually hers, but she had been owning it her whole life as if it was accepting it as true. And that goes back to the question of am I accepting these thoughts as true? And when do I get to decide that they're not? And part of that for people can be assessing is this even mine? Where did this even come from? Who gets to decide? Right? Who even gets to decide that I'm always going to be fat? Is it me, right? Do I get to decide that? Is that actually what I want? And is this belief from somebody that was in my life earlier on? And why should I give them any power over my life now and how I take action? 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  40:44 

So that, I guess, maybe try, and bring it down a little bit? And what are, are there a few practical tips that you can give one or two practical tips that you can give people to sort of at least get this process started? Obviously, this is not simple. This is not something that happens quickly. But if someone is sitting there as many in the audience probably are, and thinking, okay, how do I get started and change and turn this into actionable information? 

Kari Keith  41:23 

Yeah, the first part would be identifying some limiting beliefs. So, a lot of people have these on the surface, people know, if you're holding yourself back, you can look at a list, especially in that let's focus on the health arena. If you have, if you know you have a belief of, I'm not an active person, like is that the way that you see yourself? Let's say or you know you have a belief of, it's hard for me to eat healthy. Kind of identifying what it what is it that I believe to be true about my health, about the status of my health and just kind of evaluating, saying, what am I what am I actually believing is true? Because once you I can identify, oh, there's a limiting belief? Or maybe it's you believe that it's too hard for you to go for a walk once a day. Right? That's very basic things? Well, if I believe that's true, it's likely I'm not going to take action on that. So, identifying what the limiting belief is, alongside identifying what is it that you want? So, helping people understand what is it that they actually want? Is it that they want to have better metabolic health? Is it that they actually want to be able to run around with their kids? Is it that they actually want to be able to pick up their grandchild when they're in their 70s? Right? What is the sort of core desires and the things that are meaningful to people, that is actually what they want to have in their life? Because once you can hold that picture, once you can hold a vision of what you actually want? And most people haven't really even considered, they're just like, oh, I'd like to lose weight. But why? Because that why is going to support you and actually taking the actions and shifting the mental blocks, as opposed to oh, it'd be nice, right, and I'm sure you have some really compelling reasons statistically and health wise, why people should lose weight. And for some people, that's that alone is gonna be motivating. And for other people, that might not be enough, right, they need to tap into something greater than themselves in order to identify Well, this is actually what I want in my life. And I'm willing to make the mental changes and go through the mental barriers in order to get that and so, a lot of this is sort of like self-evaluation, what are some limiting things that are holding you back? What is it that you want, write these down? What are the beliefs that you would need to have in order to get what you want? Like all these supporting beliefs, right? 

Jack Heald  44:10 

What are the beliefs you would need to have in order to get what you want? Okay. 

Kari Keith  44:18 

So, you can look at Dr. Phillip’s, as an example, right? He had to have had a belief in order to get what he ultimately wanted. That belief could have been very simply, I know I can lose weight. Right? And so, you can start very basic at this, right? But you can look at your limiting belief and if it says, I'm always going to be fat, you can just change that into I can be healthy, or I am healthy, or I'm not an active person too. I am an active person. And this psychological change that we're trying to trigger here is that mental barrier of how are you seeing yourself? Right? How is it that you’re...? What's your self-concept? How are you seeing yourself? And so simply looking at I think the most important part for people is, what is it that you want? At your core? What is it that you want? And that self-understanding is what can give you an open the door to being able to identify some of these other things to take action on? 

Jack Heald  45:28 

What role does emotion play in this transformation? Do you gin up emotions? Do we just let them be whatever they happen to be? But it seems like what we're talking about right now, in terms of mindset shift is, is essentially internal perception. How you see yourself, how you perceive yourself. Is there a role that emotion plays? 

Kari Keith  45:56 

Yeah, absolutely. And I think, doing the mental work, there is an emotional process within that. There's an emotional process within just looking at can I be honest with myself? For some people, there's embarrassment. Right. For a lot of us, there's embarrassment, like, maybe I, quote unquote, haven't been doing what I ought to be doing. And I'm embarrassed by that, even though I say that I want this thing. Say that I want life to be different. And so, there's that emotional process. There's also the emotional process for people who, let's focus on who are losing weight or want to live healthier. What is the attachment and the emotional process of having held on to weight for so many years in their life? Or maybe the rest of their family having been overweight as well, there's the suddenly I'm going to be different from the people around me. If I change, how am I going to relate to these people? How am I going to be perceived? So, there's a lot of emotion that plays into that as well. And so, per your question, is there emotion that plays into it? Absolutely. And that's where the understanding yourself, what do you want, and creating that inner dialogue comes into play, because you're creating a stronger sense of self, a stronger relationship with yourself allows you to rely less on the, I need other people to tell me that I'm good, or I need other people to let me know that I'm going to be okay, that is all great and wonderful. And we need that as humans, but relying on it as our sole source of validation creates a lot of inconsistency and a lot of inability for us to take action in our own lives, and go after what we want that might be different from the people around us, right? Case in point, if you're the one healthy person in your family, and every family function you go to there's tons of food that you don't want to eat anymore. But your family is all partaking, well, yeah, it's that's a mental barrier, that it creates an opportunity, one for you to be feel different, maybe feel a little bit isolated, feel misunderstood, and also have to work at coaching yourself through being in that kind of environment. 

Jack Heald  48:21 

At this point, there's going to be people who are saying, I like what she's saying, I don't have enough information to make it happen on my own. I have two questions for you. The first question is, what is the what is the mental and emotional state of the typical person who reaches out to you? What are they? Where are they stuck? And what is it that triggers them to finally say, alright, I need help. 

Kari Keith  48:57 

A lot of women that reached out to me there are some commonalities of they feel lost within themselves. Like their own identity has been convoluted over time, maybe by becoming a mom, or struggling to become a mom. And or really having low self-worth, all of these things combined, not feeling secure or confident in themselves, whether that's in relationship to other people, or career or what have you. There are all these different avenues that kind of thread into that. And then on top of that, they know that they want something different. That is a common thread that is kind of like the has to be there. I'm not seeking you out and walking in your life every single day and in your brain every single day. And so that desire for I'm tired of this, I need something different. I have to start thinking differently. I don't want to feel like this anymore. I don't want to be constantly down on myself, berating myself. Having self-talk that makes me feel like crap all the time. Those are usually the common threads of why people come to private coaching or courses. 

Jack Heald  50:19 

Right, so Kari, this is the point where you tell people how they can find out more. 

Kari Keith  50:25 

Absolutely, well, you can go to karikeith.com/beliefs. And you can get the change your beliefs worksheet, which is going to help you actually walk through the steps of identifying limiting beliefs, what you want, and how to change those into supportive beliefs. You can connect with me on Instagram at Karisfullsoul, or get any of my courses on karieith.com. And connect with me, reach out, buy the sacred self-journal. That's one of the best tools really for people because it walks you through the process of the questions and so many people that journaling has changed their lives simply by that one practice. 

Jack Heald  51:02 

That's cool. Phil, this has been different that little tool and I appreciate you inviting Kari on here. Anything else before we wrap it up? 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  51:14 

No, definitely, this was a great conversation. I got a great therapy session out of it. So, if nothing else, at least I improved, right? Many in the audience will certainly resonate with this conversation. So, thank you, Kari. As I said, I think this is a key part of what I do when I help people and ultimately, for people to be able to help themselves. And so great having you on and keep up the great work. And I really encourage people to go seek out some of the resources that Kari has for you. 

Jack Heald  52:02 

Absolutely. So, if you're one of those people who says I'm sick of it, I don't want to be this way anymore, Come to karikeith.com K-A-R-I K-E-I-T-H .com. For Phil Ovadia, I’m Jack Heald. We will talk to you guys next time. 

Jack Heald  52:28 

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