Suzanne Alexander Rediscovers the Natural World and The Impact of Traditional Diets on Modern Health - #116

Nature reveals the answers. Suzanne Alexander believes that much in the power of nature. Born into a family with strong ties to the natural world, she delves into the influence of nature on our health and nutrition. Drawing from the wealth of nutritional knowledge passed down from her wildlife rehabilitator father and her tribal educator grandmother, she has embarked on a transformative journey from a strict raw vegan diet to embracing carnivore eating. This equipped her with profound insights into how our bodies react to the foods we consume.

Together with Dr. Chris Knobbe, she co-authored "The Ancestral Diet Revolution" and is poised to embark on a global exploration, venturing to tribal communities in Papua New Guinea and other Pacific Island nations to study the impact of traditional diets on chronic diseases and the power of personalized diets, learning the intriguing connection between the microbiomes, blood type, and our overall wellbeing. Exploring the complex connections between pharmaceutical and food industries in the emergence of modern diseases, this conversation offers an exciting journey toward uncovering the truth, a collaborative endeavor aimed at promoting better health.

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Suzanne Alexander, M.S.Ed., boasts over four decades of research experience in the field of nutrition. She is currently the Executive Director of Public Relations at Cure AMD Foundation.

"We need to say what we live is so wrong. We don't know how to be humans. We don't. We have to be taught. And so we have to go back to our roots. We have to go back to what we used to do."

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Transcript

Jack Heald: 0:35

I have Welcome back everyone. It's the stay off my operating table podcast, dr Philip Ovedia on Jack Heald, and we are joined today by Suzanne Alexander, whom I did a wee bit of research on, but I don't think I've been able to figure out a whole lot about. Well, I don't know much yet. So Phil set the table for us.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 1:01

Yeah, this is going to be another great conversation. So we Suzanne is co-author with Dr Chris Kenobi, who we had on recently in on the fabulous book the Ancestral Diet Revolution. I got it right over my left shoulder there and Suzanne and Dr Kenobi are about to set off ona pretty exciting expedition, truly an expedition. So that's the main reason I wanted to get Suzanne on here. All about it, hear about the great work they're doing. But with that I do know Suzanne has a very interesting background, so I'd like her to kind of tell our audience who she is and how she got to where she is about to set off around the world.

Suzanne Alexander: 1:55

Oh, first of all, guys, jack Phil, thanks so much for having me on. This is just what a gift, and you guys are such a treasure to this world and thank you for all you're doing. You're just so pretty to give it all. This has been a lifelong journey, 62 years worth, and I was born into the perfect family. God placed me into the most perfect family.

Suzanne Alexander: 2:17

My father was. He has PhD, his doctorate from Columbia University, and this is a little indication of the kind of man he was. And when he was there working as a doctorate he moved all our family there. And I was a little girl, I was four, so I attended Columbia University in a nursery school program, but anyway he would. He would sneak into the labs where they were doing research on the mice and the rats and he'd bring them home, those that were dying, and we would nurse them and hopefully survive, help them to survive, but they mostly didn't because they were just so riddled with cancer, but anyway. So then when we moved back home, his life was, yes, he was administrator, our school district, but he also was a wildlife rehabilitator, and so we would raise wild animals until we could return them back to nature, and they basically became my family because it's from as far back as I can remember. They were my family. They were my brothers and sisters. I was part of their litter and they taught me how to climb trees, they taught me how to live. They taught me how to live in nature and how to eat, and I marveled at them.

Suzanne Alexander: 3:22

But my father and I were both very sick as well, and here most of his, his illnesses and diseases, and some of them genetic and some of them not, and I would always question him why am I so sick? Why are you so sick? I mean such pain all the time, and my grandmother also. I was born into another. She was part of our clan. She also lived with the natives and tribes in Liberia and Nigeria for three years and she taught there in the, in their tribes, and when she would come home I would sit at her feet and I would just he tell me everything and she had all these slides she would take of them. They were so beautiful, they were so healthy and she'd tell about the food that they would eat and I would just marvel because it was what we were eating. I was eating. I was eating Captain Crunch and drinking Tang and all these, this awful food. It wasn't really food, and every time I ate I was on the floor in pain. I didn't understand why I was so sick.

Suzanne Alexander: 4:20

And and so finally, about 10 years old, I would come home and my father would say when you come to this, when you come home from the library, would you bring home, whether we had raccoons or foxes, gunk or whatever our animals that we were raising, bring home books so we can learn about their species, specific diets and how they're habitat and lifestyle. And so then his laugh and we'd read about them. And I got the ball rolling. Their food is, it's from the nature, ours is, and ours has all this list of ingredients, what there's just doesn't. And I go down to the spring and the brook with the raccoons they're my favorite and I watch them catch animals, catch the frogs, catch the crayfish, and they just rip into them. And but then they go and they eat berries, and they eat different kinds of, you know, plants, pet life and so forth. And my rats, I, they did the same thing and everything. They were just so natural, but I wasn't.

Suzanne Alexander: 5:14

And so finally, about 10 years old, I came up with my first hypothesis and I said to my dad Dan, do you think it's possible that the food that we're eating is killing us? And I said because we're not eating the same food that our animals are, and when grandma comes home from Africa they're not eating what we are. And he said I don't know. I never thought about that, never told the doctors. They would always say this is just who you are, you're going to have to deal with the pain. And I kept saying no, but God doesn't make mistakes. And so throughout my life I just kept searching and finally, when I went off to college, I could eat what I wanted to eat. I started taking things out of my diet and the first thing for me was dairy, and that was profound for me. But then I thought veganism.

Suzanne Alexander: 5:59

I'll become a vegan. And so for decades I was a vegan and it was. It was great, it was. I felt pretty good, although I still had many digestive problems because I didn't fully quite yet understand my, my body makeup, my chemistry, my DNA, but so many things started going away. It was just, that was amazing. That was amazing. But then, when I hit 50, I decided to become raw vegan. I'll take it to the next level, and at this point I'm working at my doctorate, for my PhD in health and nutrition, thinking I know it all at this point. So I go in for my first colonoscopy and this was one of the big aha moments. I'm thinking it's going to be pristine, it's going to be squeaky clean. The doctor comes out afterwards and I said, how was it? And he said, honestly, I can't tell you.

Suzanne Alexander: 6:44

And I said what does that mean? He goes your entire colon was embedded with nuts and seeds. And I said wait, what can it be? It's a power food. And he said I don't know who told you that that humans can can digest nuts and seeds, but they can't get them out of your diet. So that and I was I really wasn't eating that many, because as a vegan you do. Your carbs are your main energy source. You don't want to have too much fat to compete against it, and so I really wasn't eating that much. I thought how can this be? So that started the question Maybe this isn't the perfect diet.

Suzanne Alexander: 7:18

And so then, about six years or so into this raw vegan diet, my health really started feeling and my lab work can't start coming back really bad. And I got a phone call from my doctor and she said Sus, we think you're dying. I'm like, excuse me, I didn't feel like I was that sad and she said you have hardly know what like white blood cells, your blood cells, right, red white blood cells, platelets are almost deplete. Everything is shutting down on you. I was like how can it be? So he sent me to an oncologist. He had oncology and they did all these tests on me. And she came back and she said Sus, all the cancer doctors here, we can't figure you out, we don't know, but we think maybe you have a rare bone marrow cancer. We can't figure out what's wrong with you. But she said we've never seen anything like this. Numbers are so awful. And then she said, however, I had breast implants at the time and anyone watching, please, girls, don't put breastplants and don't put implants in. It's the worst thing you can do. You'll kill yourself. But anyway, she said but there's also a very rare cancer that comes with breast implants.

Suzanne Alexander: 8:32

And I knew I was having some side effects in the breast implants because I'd had them for 10 years, but I didn't think it would be that. So she said we could do the bone marrow testing, but it's painful, it's horrible. And she said I know you. And she said would you treat this cancer, if you had, if we diagnose you with it? I said no, because I don't think I do, and if I do, I won't treat it. I said I will heal it naturally. And she said so. Then what's the point? We're not going to do the testing. And she said let's just say you've got cancer. And I said well, you could say that, but I'm not going to, and so I said how long are you saying I have to live? She says about 15 years and I said okay, thank you. So I left and I was done, and then I immediately went and have my implants taken out.

Suzanne Alexander: 9:19

But anyway so with that said fast forward to age 60, I go back and now okay, oh. So then I meet Sally Norton and my breastplant insurgent. She was also a vegan, but she said I'm not really a full vegan and she's a brilliant surgeon and that's all she does now is remove implants. And she said she looked at all my lab work and she said my gosh, you're dying. I said I'm not, I'm really not, let's just get these out of me. I'm not. And she said I can't. She says you'll bleed to death. And she says you have nothing to coagulate. You have nothing.

Suzanne Alexander: 9:59

I said please, you've got to get these out of me. And she said first of all, she goes I think you have celiac disease. All your lab work comes out. I thought oh my god, I never thought of that, I never thought. And she says you have to get tested for that. And she said secondly, she said you're totally anemic. And she said but you cannot be a vegan, your body cannot be. And she says I'm a vegan, but I eat fish once a week. Nobody can be a vegan. And she says you'll not be. She says you have to be, you have to eat a ton of meat. And I said OK, and so then I begged her and she did the implant.

Suzanne Alexander: 10:34

She did the x-plant surgery, but I almost died because I started bleeding to death. I lost 60% of my blood. And afterwards she said, when they brought me to her, she says you have to have a blood transfusion. I said no, no, my body will heal itself. I don't, I don't do that. And I did heal myself. And it took about a year to get my blood back into it, but I did. But anyway. So, 60 years old, I went for another colonoscopy. At this point I met Sally Norton, who got me totally out of the oxlet. She took her about a year to slowly get me off all these plants I was eating for decades. And all the size and all this everything was coming out of my body was horrible. And then I then, when I worked with Paul Saladino, who took me from veganism to complete carnivore what a change.

Jack Heald: 11:25

What a change.

Suzanne Alexander: 11:26

What a change, but it was profound. So for a full year I was a carnivore and I ate about two pounds of non-5'8", and at my sickest, my lowest point, I was 95 pounds, but I was eating 3,000 calories of carbs a day. If I couldn't gain weight, it would just go through me.

Jack Heald: 11:46

Oh my Lord.

Suzanne Alexander: 11:47

Yeah, and a lot of it was like 21 bananas. I mean, I was just eating anything I could. I was starving, just starving all the time, but anyway. So then. So I worked with Paul and for about a year I was a complete carnivore Two pounds of meat, six raw egg yolks, three ounces of raw kidney and raw liver every day in about 175 to 200 grams of raw suet. A lot of fat. But I felt great the first couple of months, but then the foot and leg cramps started coming in Everyone's. Oh, you got to do the electrolytes, you got to do all these supplements which I don't believe. I said, okay, okay, I'll play everyone's game. And I did. And it did nothing, made me worse.

Suzanne Alexander: 12:28

And so I'm talking with Paul because I was, I was, I was with his clients and I just said this isn't working for me, there's something not right here, it's not right from this DNA. He says what are you thinking? At this point? I was really big into my you know, my doctorate and so forth. And I said no, I said I think the least toxic plants for me would be the avocado and the banana. I said they'll give me the potassium and magnesium, what I need. And so I did and it was, oh, it's like profound. And so that's where I am at this point. I mostly, I mostly meet, but I do. I do have a little bit of the least toxic fruit for me.

Suzanne Alexander: 13:08

So anyway, 60 years old, I go in for another colonoscopy. Now I'm carnivore. I said to my doctor okay, you got a complete change here. I'm no longer a vegan, raw vegan, no more nuts and seeds, let's see. But you do know that meets a carcinogen. I said, well, that's what some people say. I have to disagree. So he comes out and all the nurses are with him. They say, oh, this is a good sign. There are a whole bunch of people and I go how was it? It was the most pristine colon I have ever seen in my life.

Suzanne Alexander: 13:42

He goes for someone in her 60s. He goes there should be at least a polyp or two. And he goes you had nothing. He goes, I can't believe it. And there's just like what do you eat? I said me what kind? I said mostly wild bison. And they're like you mean we can go home and tell our husbands that they can eat red meat. I go, they're more of a merrier. So it just shows you that there's something to this, there is something to this, but anyway.

Suzanne Alexander: 14:11

So then, after doing that for about a year, my labor started going again and I started losing more weight. I got up to about 107 and then I started going down to 100 pounds. My doctor's like I don't think you can digest me either. And at this point I was diagnosed with celiac, but that has nothing to do with it. So I had already stopped grains back in my early late 40s and so I said oh my golly, oh my golly, I have no food to eat. I have nothing else to eat. What am I going to live on? He goes, I don't know.

Suzanne Alexander: 14:41

So I prayed and I prayed and then I was brought to Chris Kenobi's first video that I saw him on. It was the low carb Denver video that he had, and I watched it so many times and I found I couldn't find anything I could find on him. And it was. It brought tears. I was crying and sobbing my daughter when my daughter walked in and I said this is most profound video I've ever seen.

Suzanne Alexander: 15:04

He's showing that the Masai, who are so high, it's basically carnivore, you know, I said, and then you've got the tukasina and the tokalows and all these you've got in the middle, some are just, you know, they're eating some fish and they're eating coconut. Then you've got some eating like 90% of their diet is sweet potatoes. I said they all work, but what's the one thing that they all have in common? Seed oils, although I haven't had seed oils most of my life, but anyway. I said but we can live on any kind of diet. I said it's just how we're going to. We have to find what's best for each of our DNA. And so I can't I pray. And I emailed him and my daughter's like he's so busy he's not going to email you back in three hours. He emailed me back and I said what do you eat? He told me, and then he kind of guided me along.

Suzanne Alexander: 15:53

And then we became best of buddies, best of friends, and he realized my background has been nothing but research. Since I was like five I've been researching with my dad about what's the proper nutrient, what's the proper species diet, what are we supposed to live at? And then I asked my grandma, tell me how the native Americans are eating. And so then we got together and we locked ourselves in for months and months. And when I say that months and months and months. We would talk to our children every once in a while, but we didn't really see anyone. The only time we would leave the house would be to go get groceries every ten days. It was very quick, and then we would hunker back in and we would work 24 seven for months and months and months. Researching and writing was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. That we did that, and so here we are now. Now we're getting ready to go for our first expedition. So that's my story.

Jack Heald: 16:50

So so we're roughly the same age. I guess I remember when they introduced Tang and also remember Space Food Sticks. Do you remember those? Yes, oh, oh, my God, my mom put those in my lunch because, you know, good moms did good things like that for their kids. I mean, kids will eat most any junk food, but even the Space Food Sticks was too far for me. I remember that well.

Suzanne Alexander: 17:26

But, jack, did you ever find Captain Crunch would burn my mouth? It was just so much sugar, it was literally. I felt like the roof of my mouth was raw, oh yeah.

Jack Heald: 17:35

Yeah, you know, captain Crunch was one of those weird experiences, like part of me said, more, more, but it was such an unpleasant experience to eat it. That's it. Yeah, it was very, very strange. Yeah, we could sit here and reminisce about old days. I started that sentence with a thought that has now escaped my mind oh, go ahead, phil.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 18:07

Yeah, I was just going to jump in and you know the intuition you know as a child about. You know the species appropriate diets and you know you're exactly right. You know, we know and we study. You know the species appropriate diet for every species except ourselves, basically.

Suzanne Alexander: 18:29

That's it, and the funny thing is is that I remember holding my raccoons. They're just the most beautiful things.

Jack Heald: 18:36

Oh, please, oh, they were just. My brother had raccoons oh.

Suzanne Alexander: 18:40

God, didn't you love them? What an annoying animal, oh they were just so beautiful.

Jack Heald: 18:44

Oh dear God, they're so smart and so dexterous.

Suzanne Alexander: 18:47

Oh, I know they were demerits to you they were good to everything.

Jack Heald: 18:51

Oh God, yes.

Suzanne Alexander: 18:52

But they would put their little hands on your face. Oh my God, I just love them so.

Suzanne Alexander: 18:57

But I just speak the language Nick speaks, mine and they I mean, they just taught me so much of life and I would sit and hold them and they did what. I was crying, I was so, the pain was so awful and I would just hold them and I would just say you're never sick. And their teeth were so beautiful and everything. They were just so full of life and I was so sick and I just knew. I knew there was something about their food. And then they had my grandma talk about with the native, with the Africans, and when she told me that their dessert one night when she was first entering the tribe and she had to sit with the chief and eat at his table and she told all about the food that they were eating and they had meat and they had tubers, and she said but then they were getting ready to serve dessert. She's, I think it was a dessert and everyone's getting excited. And she said I'm thinking what could it be? And she says and out in front they put this big platter with this head of a freshly decapitated monkey and the top of the head had been cut off and the brain was exposed and cheese. And she said they handed me this. It looked like it was kind of a wooden spoon and they're all like I go, I'm going to the kitchen and she goes you have to. You have to Because otherwise it's you know, it's slapped to the cheese and tugged me and it's like, oh, and she said, I said how was it? And she goes, it really wasn't that bad. She goes, really it wasn't that bad. It was warm still. Body temperature was freshly killed.

Suzanne Alexander: 20:21

I was all but so those are the things that I was just marveling at, because I thought this is what humans eat, not what we're eating. These people are living from the earth and they're so beautiful, they're absolutely so full of. And I said, grandma, do you see any of your children? Because she was teaching them, are they sick? She said, no, you're not sick at all, and that's we need to say. What we live is so wrong. We don't know how to be humans. We don't. We have to be taught, and so we have to go back to our roots. We have to go back to what we used to do, this moving forward thing, and now we've got the you know let's some growth, some meat in an institution, some place. No, thank you. You know, god doesn't make mistakes.

Suzanne Alexander: 21:07

We were designed to eat certain things, and so my grandmother used to tell us she's part Native American and she said watch nature. It will always answer all your questions. And so I'm always watching, I'm always. I live in nature, I'm always up in trees, I'm always just out in nature because that's where we need to be, and it's even like the raccoons with their hands.

Suzanne Alexander: 21:28

There's scientists right there I'm trying to figure out. Are they? Do they just do it because they're clean, or do they do it because on their fingers, like we have, because they're not creating it to us, only create it to raccoons? But I think it's with us too. Is it because they have sensors in their hands and that sensing helps them to sense their surroundings and what's in their food? They're sensing their food and I remember watching my raccoons. They would always do that. So I started regulating them and I started doing the same thing with my food and I do the same thing now.

Suzanne Alexander: 21:57

I use my hands to eat and with my granddaughter I'll say honey, put your silverware down, use your hands, and it's just so. If you haven't done it, guys, it's so, I don't know. It's more enjoyable. You just get more out of the food. It's just something, but it's the same thing.

Suzanne Alexander: 22:14

When I'm outside I don't wear shoes, I don't wear, I'm always crawling, I'm always barefoot and it just it's. It's makes you come alive. And they did a research in Japan years ago and it's called tree bathing, wood bathing, going into the forest bathing, and there's fight inside the actual wonderful chemicals and trees and plants that they give off, that they have actually done research and proven this and I believe it with all my heart and soul that it will heal people with cancer, depression and if we go in and we're breathing in and we're in them, of course I just climb and I just lay in the trees, you know, because it's just so. I just get so much out of that. But again, the raccoons. I go back to the raccoons and all the animals that we had.

Suzanne Alexander: 23:01

They taught me how to live and we have to do that, guys. We have to go back to living as we're designed to do. Take the shoes off, go out and crawl around, haul around some logs. You know these kinds of things because it's it's 62. I feel I run, I sprint faster, I lift more, I've. Everything I do is profound. And my granddaughter is just saying she says grandma, she likes me to race me on her bike and I run her every time. How can you be an old lady and be so fast? You know? I just said because I'm not old. I said that's just a number, you know, and I plan on living to at least 125.

Jack Heald: 23:41

What amazes me about this is my mom is 83, I want to say 83. And you'd never know it, but that's. But I look at her life and by and large, other than I mean, she's had some issues, but by and large she's been relatively healthy most of her life. She's had some structural issues, some joint issues, but otherwise she is smarter than most people you ever run into, sharp as attack, feisty and healthy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I expect you'll be that way at 83, but you weren't that way at all, for it sounds like the first 50 years of life and it's exciting to see that it can be turned around.

Suzanne Alexander: 24:42

Absolutely, absolutely. And the thing is is I wasn't really eating processed. I've never been a processed food person. I don't like sweets. They make me feel like I'm gonna throw up all the time. So I've never been a sweets person, but I just, I think it was just so much. Even though I was eating whole foods, I wasn't eating them correctly. When you look at. And I remember asking grandma, you know, did they? Did they cook their food? And she said plants, they had special. They always plants were never eaten raw. They would always prepare them in a certain way. And that's part of what we'll talk about when we talk about the expedition. That's part of the thing I want to find out when we're going. And I want to ask you about your mom what did, what kind of food did when she was growing up? Because she grew up in the era that they would have not really had too many seed oils until you know, more recently, when they were really inundating our food sources. What was? What do you think her? Her most of her life was in eating.

Jack Heald: 25:44

Well, she, she grew up in central Oklahoma. I know Crisco Margeron were part of the the table all the time, but in in central Oklahoma, especially then, we all ate beef. You know we ate. We ate beef that was grown within miles of our house.

Suzanne Alexander: 26:07

Oh, you were blessed.

Jack Heald: 26:10

Oh, but you know from what I've learned over these last couple of years with Phil, we weren't eating particularly healthy, at least in terms of what I know today. What I do know is that we had far fewer choices to eat poorly than we have today. We had chips, we had ding-dongs. I think I had a ding-dong in every every school lunch for a while. You know, I don't know.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 26:46

I think it was. Yeah, ultimately, I would say and, by the way, I've met Jack's mother and can attest what amazing woman she is but I think it's kind of you know the balance, you know, because, yeah, you had some of that junk food, but you know you were eating, you know nutrient dense beef for you know, maybe the majority of your meals.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 27:11

And you know, and as a child certainly, I think we have enough. Hopefully we used to at least. Maybe this isn't true anymore, but you have enough activity and stuff to kind of balance some of that stuff, as long as it's not, you know, the majority of your diet like it's unfortunately become today.

Suzanne Alexander: 27:32

Absolutely well put, Absolutely. My mom she's 91 and she's blind, with macular degeneration, and again for not, you know, my dad's dead. Why For not? I mean riddle of cancer. We don't need these things. It doesn't exist. Where they're living ancestrally, these things don't exist. And this is what we need to get back to. We need to say to people they need to understand the truth, and we're truth seekers and that's what Chris and I are out to do. We want to prove that this is what's still happening. Although, in my research to prepare for this expedition and booking and scheduling everything, I fear that I think some of our toxic food is infiltrating these beautiful people and if I can even go and teach them to go back. But I hope I'm wrong.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 28:28

Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about the work that you and Chris are doing, Talk about the ancestral health foundation and this expedition that you guys are about to set off on.

Suzanne Alexander: 28:40

Still, thank you. Well, we have two foundations. We have the cure AMD foundation and we also have the ancestral health foundation. So we have two and eventually, once we can get ourselves not moving all the time, we will have a website available for ancestral health foundation. But we do have a full website up and working for quite a few years at AMD and that's where, if anyone's interested in donating and helping us to cover the costs of these expeditions, we would greatly appreciate that and that we have a donation page on that website.

Suzanne Alexander: 29:15

Again, that's curaamdorg and this website, the expedition we're going on right now that's being funded by a few people and also Chris and I. We're putting our own money into it as well, because it's expensive and but it's a worth it. Every dollar we feel it could save a life. And you've got the cancer, you've got the breast cancer, you've got the AMD, you've got all these different foundations all over the world. But this is for every chronic disease that we can think of that this could prevent and heal. And so, really, guys, if you have someone that's ailing from some kind of disease, if you could just spare a dime or two and help us, because the next expedition after this one we're doing now, and this is not the intense one. This is our first time to go and get our feet wet to figure out what we have to do.

Jack Heald: 30:08

So where are you going? What are you doing?

Suzanne Alexander: 30:10

Okay, Jason, please stop rambling.

Jack Heald: 30:12

We're doing big picture stuff here, all right.

Suzanne Alexander: 30:15

So here it is Tomorrow I leave and Chris is already in Melbourne, australia, and he was there for the low carb down under convention last week. So I'm going to meet him. I'll be there on our Saturday, but their Sunday, and then we're going to fly out from there and we're going to fly to our first place. We'll be in Papua New Guinea, but also on the western side of it's called Jaipurra. We're going to start there and that's not as rural. It's rural, but not as rural as we're going to go from there. And so when we first get there, that's going to be where we're. It's kind of they're calling it more like a city, but it's not like a city where we would think. It's still quite rural, but we're hoping we don't see like the McDonald's and the Kentucky Five chickens and all those things there which they may be, and we're going to be out.

Suzanne Alexander: 31:09

But this, this, we're not doing lab work, we're not doing any blood work, we're not doing any adipose tissue, we're not doing anything like that because we don't have the finances for that yet. It's just it's it's going to take a lot, but what we're going to do is we're going to go and collect data in terms of? Have seed oils, have processed foods infiltrated there? And do we? Are we seeing exceeding rates of obesity? Are we seeing sick people? We're going to do a lot of interviewing. We're going to go to restaurants and ask what they're cooking with, because we've been told, oh no, it's only coconut oil, only coconut oil. And why am I seeing, in my research, so much obesity and so many diseases creeping in over there? I don't know. And then we're going to be going to the stores. Are we going to see shelves lined with all the bottles, like we have?

Suzanne Alexander: 31:57

And then we're going to fly in a little tiny plane to a place called Wominah. It's in the Bayleum Valley, it's up in the Highlands and there's a tribe there. They're called the Denny or the Deni tribe, and I had some pictures I didn't know Jackie wanted to show. They're just beautiful people, but anyway. So, with that said, so we're going to spend about four days with them and we have a guy that's going to take us, that will speak the language, and I've asked him things that I wanted to know since I was a little girl. And if we could do that, they could ask if they will do with us and teach us, and I'm not going to tell you, that gets a surprise. So anyone who you're watching, if you want to know and watch us, there they are. Are they beautiful? These are their warriors.

Jack Heald: 32:48

Well, they don't look like they're suffering from the standard American diet.

Suzanne Alexander: 32:53

No, are they beautiful? They're just beautiful. Look at the width of their jaws and everything. So these are the things I really want to look.

Jack Heald: 33:03

This is where Papanwagini.

Suzanne Alexander: 33:05

This is in Papua, more the Indonesia side, and it's called Waminah and, again, I'll be posting every day when we have cell service because these are pretty remote locations so we'll have to walk a couple of miles to get into where their villages are and the things that I'm hoping that they're going to show us, that they're going to teach us, will be so profound and I want to know most of my life and I'm going to get the answers there and I've got tons and tons of questions. If you guys have questions and things that you want me to ask them while I'm there and you can post some guys or Jack Phil, you guys can just ask me before I talk.

Suzanne Alexander: 33:47

But I've got a whole list of things I want to ask them. It's going to be amazing, and I was studying dentistry at one point because I wanted to be a pediatric dentist and I want to ask if I can look in their mouths, because I think that that's really an indication of, also our health. Is our teeth? Yeah, I just want to look at their hair, I want to look at their nails, and there's a story that goes behind this tribe. That's absolutely. It tells you the beauty of what they feel about their families. I think that's.

Suzanne Alexander: 34:16

Another key thing to help is our connection to our loved ones. That when a loved one passes, that they cut off a finger. Is it an honor of them? And it's just things that we would never think of doing, the love that they have and maybe that's missing too in our country, but anyway. So that will be at tribe and then we fly to Honiara, solomon Islands, and there that's. You know it's again now.

Suzanne Alexander: 34:50

We're in the heart of the thick of the Pacific Islands and we'll spend about three or four days there and doing the same thing.

Suzanne Alexander: 34:56

It's always the same thing we're going to be doing. We're going to be going into where they call their cities to see what the people are like. There will be interviewing them, going into their stores, going into their restaurants, going into their markets and seeing you know what kind of things that they're selling in their markets, because they have beautiful, huge markets, especially in Honiara I've heard it's amazing this massive market where they're going to have all their fresh coconuts and all the fruits that they pick. They will have their wild boar and their pigs and their fish, all those kinds of things. And then we're going to go into the more rural where we're going to see the people who are still living, hopefully their traditional ways. And then, after spending time in Honiara and Solomon in that region, we're going to then fly to Samoa. We're going to seven places at all and in Samoa, same thing. There We'll be doing the exact same thing, but we're hoping because that's when you think of Samoan some of the things I do some of the tallest human beings.

Jack Heald: 35:58

Well they are. You know, as a longtime watcher of the NFL Samoans, my understanding of Samoans. They just seem to be just bigger. That's it All are wider, fitter, stronger.

Suzanne Alexander: 36:17

And that's always been my thing. I want to go and see. I'm sure there's some DNA involved here, but I want to see what is it that they're eating? What do these people eat? Because I do believe that it has something to do. You know, I mean, I'm tall, you know, for a female, and I know that. You know my father was always big. You know you have to eat, have very got to vary, and he, he loved me, you know. But so and I ate that, that we did have a lot of that on top of the junk food, but anyway, so I can't wait, jack, that's.

Suzanne Alexander: 36:48

I said to Chris, samoa is a given, because we've got to see is the stature still happening or is there? Are they slowly shrinking? I just, I just, there's so much to look forward to. Then, after that, we're going to fly to Van Watteau, and Van Watteau is again all these things we wrote about in the book and we're going to go spend time there. But then one of my favorite things we're going to do is if you ever saw the movie called Tana, it's a small island near Van Watteau and it's got a tribe there and it's all about this movie, is all about this tribe. So we're going to fly there and we're going to go and stay with this tribe for a while and learn about them and hopefully nothing is infiltrated there and then after that we'll fly to Fiji, where there are a couple of ancestral villages that have been living there for two millennium, and hopefully they're they haven't been infiltrated as well, and that will be our last stop before we come back. So it's three weeks we'll be gone.

Jack Heald: 37:47

Wow Okay.

Suzanne Alexander: 37:50

Remind us of the name of the book. Okay, this is the name of our book the Ancestral Diet Revolution.

Jack Heald: 37:54

And if I recall, there's two volumes.

Suzanne Alexander: 37:59

No, no, chris wrote another no. It probably should have been, because it's very long Amazon.

Jack Heald: 38:05

Amazon has it referenced as volume.

Suzanne Alexander: 38:08

I think what they're saying, I think there's meaning. So we've battled back and forth with them about that. We've been asking can we just reword that? We've got it in four different injectors going to put that up. There is one slide towards the end that shows the four different versions we have of it, which would be the hardcover, which is full color. Oh, it's, a jack brings it up. I mean, phil brings it up. Thank you, what is the end?

Jack Heald: 38:35

Yeah.

Suzanne Alexander: 38:37

You can all see.

Suzanne Alexander: 38:38

See, we've got the hardcover is full, is full color. Then the paperback is comes in full color and black and white. I would definitely say do not purchase the black and white, because we have a hunt over 180 graphs and charts and pictures and so forth in this book and the black and white just does not do it justice. It makes it very difficult to really interpret. But if you really want to save money, the ebook.

Suzanne Alexander: 39:02

I worked so hard. This is like a once in a lifetime book that will ever happen, because it was. They kept saying it couldn't be done and I said oh no, no, no, you don't know who you're working with. I will make this work because I wanted to make sure that every single picture and every single diagram and so forth could be linkable from whatever we wrote in the book. And if I said, you know, see, figure so and so when we're writing, you can click right on it. It will take you right to that diagram or picture and not have to search for them and then take you back to where you want to go.

Suzanne Alexander: 39:33

And it hasn't been done in a book this many usually the five or six pictures or something in a book like this, but not something like this. So it's like a once in a lifetime book to get on an ebook and it's very reasonable, very, very cheap. So that's the route I would go. But if you want really to me a piece to keep on a coffee table, it's the hardcover. It's beautiful. It is beautiful.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 39:57

Yeah, it is. It really is an amazing book, both in content and design, and you're interested at such an excellent job on that. So the trip, I mean it just obviously sounds amazing and very much in the kind of traveling in the footsteps of Weston a price and the seminal work that he did, you know, back in the 1920s. And it really will be interesting to kind of see the updates because, like you said, it's hard to imagine parts of the world where you know the Western diet, the Western foods, haven't gotten to yet, they're just so ubiquitous throughout the world these days. So you know being able to find little pockets where it truly hasn't gotten to, because you know that's a gold mine in terms of research, because it's so rare.

Suzanne Alexander: 41:04

So, as an educator, I will educate them. If I see that it is coming there, it's infiltrating, I will share with them. I'm going to show them pictures of what sickness will look like and what they have to look forward to. And please don't do this. And I'm trying to educate the world too, because in what I'm researching, I'm seeing so many tourists are going over and they're bringing lollipops and candy buyers and thinking that this is really swell and that they're going to love these things. Don't do it, please. People. Don't bring them toxic food. We don't want, no, they don't need this. We need to bring what they're eating to us. That's the gift. And so if we can educate them and stop this before it gets any worse, that's another goal.

Jack Heald: 41:44

So yeah, Are you familiar with the work of Peter Dodamo?

Suzanne Alexander: 41:49

Yes.

Jack Heald: 41:52

I wanted to ask you to let's just comment explain what Dodamo's thesis is and if and how that dovetails with your work.

Suzanne Alexander: 42:11

I think that all of us I think we're all this is. I talked to Chris about all the time. He said you know, I feel like everyone thinks that we're all against each other. You get the vegans, the paleo, the keto, the carnivore. Everyone's thinking that we all have some different platform, some different idea, when we're all searching for the truth and I never I don't want to ever compare or go against what anyone else is saying I think we all have a point. Did you ever see the movie the Point? There's a long time ago, jack it was really young.

Suzanne Alexander: 42:49

It was all very much about this and it was the cartoon.

Suzanne Alexander: 42:52

It was all about this little boy that just felt he didn't have a point, because everyone in the village had a point, but he didn't remember that one, do you remember, and it stuck with me because it's so true we all have a point, you know, and I just feel that if we could all work together instead of working against each other. And it makes me so sad to see on social media everyone going against each other and making fun of people and saying look at these people, we're not doing this hurting, it's hurting people. We have to stop being so mean and we have to just say we all have a point, we're just trying to survive and we're trying to find healing. If you're a vegan, you're trying to find the right thing. If you're a carnivore, whatever we are, we're trying to find the right answer. Isn't that wonderful?

Jack Heald: 43:44

Yeah, it becomes a religious argument.

Suzanne Alexander: 43:46

Yes, yes, absolutely. I agree. Why can't we all just work together and just say let's just find the truth and that's all Christmas I want to do? And I said to Chris. I said, you know, I thought that veganism was the greatest thing in the world. I thought, gosh, this is it.

Suzanne Alexander: 44:03

And I always told my followers, I always said I'm a guinea pig, I don't know the answers. And I said I will tell you the truth. I will be so transparent, I will never lie to you. And they watched my whole journey. They watched my whole journey. I was very, very blunt about everything I was doing and so I would never say I'm right, even now. And I said this to Chris.

Suzanne Alexander: 44:24

I said what if, 10 years from now, we find out it's not seed oils? What if it's something else? And I said we have to be complete, transparent. This is what we believe now, right. But I said, but 10 years from now, we may have some new test or something that comes out and shows it's something totally different, but for now, this is what we believe, this is what science is showing us. We're very science related, we're not just guessing, and so I think that that's the point. We have to just really be honest and upfront and say right now this is what we believe it is, but we're going to keep searching and we're going to keep turning over every stone and it may not be found out for another 50, 100 years, who knows? We may not know until we all enter the kingdom.

Jack Heald: 45:06

It is fascinating to think that on the one hand you've got the Messiah, who basically eat nothing but bread and meat, and then the entire spectrum, and these folks are not suffering from the kinds of, I guess, what we call lifestyle diseases that we deal with here in the West. I ask about Dodamo because my doctor is a big fan of Dodamo's work and, for our listeners, he wrote the book Eat for your Type. The thesis is that your blood type indicates the foods that are more appropriate for your body, and I guess there must be some genetic, some evolutionary pressures there in that direction. My wife and I were sitting on the patio this morning watching sunrise, and I'm a typo. She's a type A. According to Dodamo, she doesn't need to be eating all the red fatty meat that I love, and we were just talking about it. And the reality is I just don't know. I learned that I eat what makes me feel good and I don't eat what makes me not feel good.

Suzanne Alexander: 46:27

But I do not. That's one of the questions I'm going to ask. I'm going because I do think that there is some. I do believe there is some to it, but I don't again, I don't know. I'm A positive, my father was O and he was a meat eater. Oh my god, he was meat. But we also lived in mountains, you know, and he was a hunter, but I was not really that much of a meat. I never really had been until now. And but yet here I'm A positive and I'm eating a lot of meat now. So I don't know, and I know a lot of carnivores that are A type and I know a lot of vegans that are O. So I don't know, I don't know, but I really and I said this to Chris, I said, you know, when we start doing the blood work, I really can't wait, I mean, can't think about it.

Jack Heald: 47:12

Oh good, I was hoping I was going to ask if you're doing blood work.

Suzanne Alexander: 47:16

Not this time because we can't afford that, but eventually that's our dream. We're hoping come 2024, we want to do our world tour to go to the messiah and the Inuit and all the places. But again, it's, it's. We have to raise the money. It's going to take money and we don't have that kind. I'm a retired teacher. I live off of not much, but I don't care. I'm very simple.

Jack Heald: 47:39

I'm very simple but I my dream also probably the world's greatest grandmother from what I, oh my gosh.

Suzanne Alexander: 47:48

I just love my all, my baby girl. She's like grandma. You know how. What if something happens to you, with you die, what if you get eaten by an animal or something? I said you know what I feel great, what a great way to die. I'm trying to save people's lives. I would give my life for anyone. But what about me? Who's going to sing to me at night time? I'll sing to you from heaven, honey. I will always be there.

Suzanne Alexander: 48:09

But anyway, jack, I'm hoping that when we do the blood work, can you measure the messiah. If you come back, and many of them are all what? What if I'm just? What if the people who are the two consent who are eating mostly sweet potatoes? What if they're mostly a type? I would. If it is a genetic, with the deal. But these are the. It's so exciting to think what we're going to find out, but it takes money and again we have to do this. But I mean, I do. I mean, I remember when I was working at my doctorate we were that was one of the things that people are talking about. What if it is a blood type thing? What if it is? You know, but I don't know, and so I try not to jump on anyone's bandwagon, I just want to find the truth, and so I think, when we go to stay with these people that are living like we were designed to live, we're going to find some answers. We really will. I really think so.

Jack Heald: 48:59

So I just want to make sure I'm clear on your story. You bounced back and forth from never been much of a sweets eater, but decided to go vegetarian and then vegan, did that for a long time, found out that it was, that it wasn't making you healthier and possibly making you sicker. Switch to full on carnivore, with the help of the king of the carnivores, and have modified that.

Suzanne Alexander: 49:31

Yes, and so for me and I think this is my this might I tell my clients when they come to me what do we do? I said we can listen to everybody, but the only body that knows is your own body, and so you have to listen to. It's giving us signals all the time. If you feel pain in your hand, you feel pains in your feet, in your hips, in your joints. If you can't see, well, there's something wrong. Here's an interesting thing. I had a mass in my left breast for years and they're watching. I wouldn't do it, I didn't do that. I don't do not do the mammograms, I only do sonograms. And they didn't know what it was. They just kept watching it and I kept thinking I wonder if it's axlets, could it be axlets? And finally I took out all the axlets. Two years later it's gone. I don't know. So again, but I don't have the axl. Phil, is it called axl bifector? Is that the name of the microbe that I think? I always get them wrong. If Chris-.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 50:33

One in the yeah, bifidoo I stumble on the full name too, but yeah, part of the microbiome. You know as to whether or not you know you can digest, metabolize, you know, get rid of effectively clear oxalates from your system or not?

Suzanne Alexander: 50:50

Yeah, and this one is. I think it's called axl bifector, something like that, yeah.

Suzanne Alexander: 50:54

I don't have. I tested myself. I have nothing of that, but Chris has got a ton of it. And again I'm wondering in our research is it? Do these places like the tucacenta and the tocalowans, do they have more axl bifector than what we have? Because glyphosate killing off are axl bifector and therefore we're all struggling with oxalates now. I don't know. But these are all the things I want to answer because I think something's not right, something's off, and these are all the questions I'm going to be asking. These are all the tests we want to run. It's so marvelous to think that we have the opportunity to potentially answer questions that could solve so many diseases and so many problems that people are just riddled with.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 51:48

So how do you because we have a little bit of a to reconcile? We started off by talking about species, appropriate diets, and you look at whatever species in the wild and they pretty much eat the same thing. And now we've kind of evolved towards well, humans, Maybe we all have whatever it is our blood type, genetics, microbiome, that we're not going to be able to eat, that there isn't one ideal diet for us all to eat. How do you kind of reconcile those two ways of thinking?

Suzanne Alexander: 52:27

Interesting. You said that if you give a deer the food it would normally eat in the winter, in the summer, it will die. Same thing if you give it what we would eat in the summer. In the winter it will die they have different microbiomes, and we should too.

Suzanne Alexander: 52:46

There have been studies done with certain tribes like the Hadson and the Maasai, that in the wet season they have a certain microbiome and in the dry season and I think it's, I think it's the dry one of the seasons there's hardly no microbiome, there's hardly no gut bacteria in there. It's deplete but then it proliferates and it gets more in the opposite season. So I think there's so much to this. I feel that. I think, I think that you know they talk about seasonal eating and my grandmother always said that. She said, you know, she had a big garden and we would go out and we would pull things. And she would pull things out of the garden and she'd say eat it with a dirt. I'm like grandma. She said eat the dirt and she says it's loaded with germs. I'm like germs and she said good germs.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 53:40

And this is before we knew anything.

Suzanne Alexander: 53:41

This is my grandmother telling me, but it's because that Native American thing and she was living also with the tribes she understood we have to get dirty, you know. And so she said you have to eat what seasonally? We don't have these things all the time, Even in this I can't wait to go to when we're going to be in the tropics. I want to ask them do these grow all the time or are they seasonal Like? Do coconuts grow 365 days a year or is there a season for them? Just like avocados we know that there's a season. Oranges there's a season. They don't. Even in Florida they don't grow. They have a certain point where they don't really grow that much. And so I want to know that if that's the case, then we shouldn't be eating these things every day, Just like with meat.

Suzanne Alexander: 54:23

And we talk about the organs. Everyone's saying you gotta have all these organs and I love liver and raw kidney. I do. I don't eat them like I used to, because now we know, Think about it, and I remember I said to grandma when she was telling me about what they would eat in her tribes that she lived with, she never mentioned they were eating a ton of organs. Never talked about that it wasn't all the time and I don't think that we would be eating meat every day, because if you're hunting it, I don't think you'd be successful every day, you know. So it's not an everyday thing.

Suzanne Alexander: 54:56

And when we look back in the early 1900s, when the United States was really healthy, I don't believe that they would be eating all the time and I don't believe that we didn't have fruit, we didn't have refrigerators, we couldn't have been eating all those things, we didn't have fruit. So again, I think we have to think about again nature. And I know that in the animal world, my raccoons and so forth they were eating, they were eating all the time. They were going to go into like a hibernated state, you know, and they're not going to be eating and to think of, you are a hibernating animal. You stop eating.

Suzanne Alexander: 55:37

You've got that downtime, you know, but they didn't, they did not eat the same thing all the time. They're always scavenging and scouring for things and I think it's the same thing with humans. We have to stop thinking just because everything is so easily accessible, you know, does it make it right? Does it make it right? I know if eating when I was eating two pounds of meat a day and you know 200 grams of fat a day. I don't think that's natural. I don't because my body started rejecting it. So I think again for anyone listening, I think listen to your body. It tells us everything it tells us.

Jack Heald: 56:16

You know what that is really fascinating that you say that, because one of the things that has become blindingly obvious over the two and a half years that we've been doing this show to me is how much of pharmacology is devoted to, for all intents and purposes, making us numb to the signals our bodies are given. Most of it appears to me, as a layman an interested layman, but a layman nonetheless that most of what the drugs that the pharmacists gives us do is just suppress the irritation of symptoms. It masks everything. What you're saying is our bodies have a wisdom. I mean, this is real Earth Mother stuff and I dig it. Don't get me wrong, I don't do, but our bodies have a wisdom and it is as if all of modern life conspires to numb us to the signals that our body gives. We have artificial lighting, so we don't have to be subjected to our natural circadian rhythms. We have artificial heating and cooling, so we don't have to be subjected to natural heating and cooling. By the way, as a resident of Phoenix Arizona, it's 102 degrees on October.

Suzanne Alexander: 57:33

Really oh I can't.

Jack Heald: 57:35

I'm really pleased. I'm glad we've got. Anyway, that's just a fascinating thought, that to view what is your modern life doing to you, to insulate you from the signals of your own body.

Suzanne Alexander: 57:56

Absolutely.

Jack Heald: 57:56

That's the message I'm taking away from today.

Suzanne Alexander: 57:58

Absolutely. That's the first thing whenever a client comes to me, I just say tell me, tell me how you feel. What does your head feel? Where do your eyes feel? What do your hands feel? Your fingers, everything. What do you feel throughout your entire body? They're like I never thought about it. Those all tell you something. They tell you everything you need to know. If I wake up in the morning and I have any kind of an achre pain, I have to ask myself what did I eat? What did I do? That caused this? Because it's not natural for me. I mean, at 62 years old I can now do a split. My whole life I tried to do split. My Bailey teachers were like your hips pop out of their joints, you can't, you'll never do one. And I don't tell me can't because it's going to make me work even harder.

Suzanne Alexander: 58:42

But I thought okay, by the time I'm 62 this year, that's my goal I will do a split. I'm doing splits now I'm more limber than I've ever been. So it's not age, it's our mind. Our brain can do anything, guys. Our brains can heal us. Our faith, my faith, is my ultimate. That's what saves me.

Suzanne Alexander: 59:03

Every doctor I've ever gone to when I know I've lived through, I was married to a very abusive alcoholic drug addict and just going through that alone was awful, but Inetia killed me and he tried to kill me many times but Inetia killed me. But every time I go in in my cancer doctor, she said 80% of my patients are women with breast cancer and just every single one of them have gone through trauma. And she said you should be dead. And I said no, my faith. I know that God's never. He's not ready to take me. Yet I should have died three times in my life so far Two. I should have died at 15, I should have died. And at 57, I should have died with massive blood loss. And every time God saved me because he has a plan and I will solve that plan and I know what that plan is and it's coming up soon and we just wanna heal everyone. Everyone did this. No more. We should all be done with all this.

Suzanne Alexander: 59:59

The disease of greed that's what I call this. I wrote it in the book. The disease of greed is the pharmaceutical companies and the big food companies. They don't care, they're about making money. They don't care about what you feel, they don't care how you nothing. And so we're here to stop that. We have to stop all this insanity and let's be honest and let's be human. That's it.

Jack Heald: 1:00:22

Well, that's a great place to pause and say thank you for being here. So the book is the Ancestral Diet Revolution by Chris Konabe and Suzanne Alexander. It is, in fact, available on Amazon. I know because I found it yesterday. How do folks support you again? What's the contact for that?

Suzanne Alexander: 1:00:47

The contact would be. And, phil, it's the last slide. I believe it's the last slide. If you wanna throw that up, if you have time, you can find us on Facebook. You can find us on Instagram, on Twitter, on YouTube and just, and also on our website of cureamdorg and soon Ancestral Health Foundation. And here it is. There we are, and so, so there's-.

Jack Heald: 1:01:12

Cureamdorg. What is AMD?

Suzanne Alexander: 1:01:17

Macular degeneration age-related macular degeneration, that's. My mom is blind from.

Jack Heald: 1:01:22

Was it Chris who talked about this macular degeneration book?

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 1:01:25

Yeah.

Suzanne Alexander: 1:01:26

He's an out-of-mob, he's an eyesore.

Jack Heald: 1:01:27

He's been trying to remember. I met a guy in Mexico a couple of weeks ago who's dealing with macular degeneration and I said we had a guest on who talked about this. Yes, who was it? Where was the book? I've just gone completely blank.

Suzanne Alexander: 1:01:42

Yes, I had a patient. I had a client contact me Most, a lot of them do this because AMD and just said you know I have AMD. And they said it's getting wet, turning it to wet, the druids are turning wet, which is not a good sign. And what can I do? And I told her what to do and I said just follow this. And I said I promise you you'll see reversal, it's not too late.

Suzanne Alexander: 1:02:09

And about a month later she had stopped everything and she came back and she said I went back to my doctor and she said he's seen reversal Already and I said it's profound. I said our bodies can heal. I said don't let anyone tell you any, otherwise. And she was just like oh my gosh, I just, I just can't believe this. And there's so many stories. There's so many stories, you guys, and it's just the most beautiful thing Money can't put, you can't put the cost on this to see people healing. And that's just been my goal my whole life. I don't want to see people suffering, to watch my dad die Such a horrible death. It was just awful and I don't want anyone to suffer. So we can do this. We can all join together, guys, and let's make it work and make this happen.

Jack Heald: 1:02:57

Make it work All right. Well, suzanne, via Condios, god go with you. I do here's hoping for just the best possible outcomes for you and Chris on this trip, and Phil, let's have them both back when they get back.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 1:03:15

Oh, he's having fun.

Suzanne Alexander: 1:03:17

Oh, you got me.

Dr. Philip Ovadia: 1:03:18

That would be great to hear all about it and really looking forward to all of the amazing you know research that I think is going to come out of this. And so, yeah, hope it's a great trip and fruitful and for our audience. Please go support this cause Because, like Suzanne said, you know, this isn't about curing or fixing one disease. This is really about fixing them all and let's support that great cause.

Suzanne Alexander: 1:03:53

And just you know, just to. I just can't thank you guys enough. You're part of our warrior team and, phil, you know you were right there, it's from the start. When the book came out, you were one of our first readers and I just appreciate you guys so much for all that you do and you're just such gifts from God and you're our angels and I just I told you in my prayers every day and I'm just so grateful and everyone out there watching thank you, you're all. We're just so grateful that you're there too and follow along with us. I'll try to post every day and teach you something new and if you've got questions, everyone just ask me and I'll see if I can get them answered by our beautiful people that are living out in the real world.

Jack Heald: 1:04:33

Thanks so much, Suzanne.

Suzanne Alexander: 1:04:34

Thank you guys.

Jack Heald: 1:04:36

So for Suzanne Alexander and Dr Philip Ovedia, this has been the stay off my operating table podcast. We'll talk to you all next time.

Suzanne Alexander: 1:04:45

Bye guys.