Ever wondered why traditional cancer treatments sometimes seem to fall short? Join us as we turn the tables on mainstream approaches with our guest, Dr. Christian Issels.
Dr. Issels brings a fresh perspective to treating the disease. A seasoned naturopath, he digs deep into its root causes, and presents cancer as a symptom of underlying health issues. Inspired by his father's wartime experiences, Dr. Issels introduces us to alternative therapies such as antigenic therapy and Coley's Toxins, which may be the game changers we have been seeking.
Dr. Issels challenges the common belief that cancer is merely a result of gene mutations and explore an alternate model of cancer as a metabolic issue. This different perspective explains why treatments like chemotherapy often have low long-term survival rates.
Dr. Issels explains how organ systems like the liver, kidney, lymph, and phallus can be supported to create an environment where cancer struggles to thrive. From detoxification methods to proper nutrition, he explores the holistic approach to cancer treatment.
Our conversation takes an unexpected turn as he discusses the roles of oxygen, glucose, and even stress in cancer development. He addresses these often overlooked factors and offers practical guidelines for cancer prevention.
By the end of this conversation, you'll gain a fuller understanding of cancer's complexity, the importance of a comprehensive approach to treatment, and the undeniable truth - a healthy body is our best weapon in the fight against this disease.
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Issels Immuno-Oncology
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Ever wondered why traditional cancer treatments sometimes seem to fall short? Join us as we turn the tables on mainstream approaches with our guest, Dr. Christian Issels.
Dr. Issels brings a fresh perspective to treating the disease. A seasoned naturopath, he digs deep into its root causes, and presents cancer as a symptom of underlying health issues. Inspired by his father's wartime experiences, Dr. Issels introduces us to alternative therapies such as antigenic therapy and Coley's Toxins, which may be the game changers we have been seeking.
Dr. Issels challenges the common belief that cancer is merely a result of gene mutations and explore an alternate model of cancer as a metabolic issue. This different perspective explains why treatments like chemotherapy often have low long-term survival rates.
Dr. Issels explains how organ systems like the liver, kidney, lymph, and phallus can be supported to create an environment where cancer struggles to thrive. From detoxification methods to proper nutrition, he explores the holistic approach to cancer treatment.
Our conversation takes an unexpected turn as he discusses the roles of oxygen, glucose, and even stress in cancer development. He addresses these often overlooked factors and offers practical guidelines for cancer prevention.
By the end of this conversation, you'll gain a fuller understanding of cancer's complexity, the importance of a comprehensive approach to treatment, and the undeniable truth - a healthy body is our best weapon in the fight against this disease.
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Issels Immuno-Oncology
1980 Festival Plaza Drive Suite 300
Las Vegas, NV 89135
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So take action right now. Book a call with Dr. Ovadia's team.
One small step in the right direction is all it takes to get started.
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Written & Performed by Logan Gritton & Colin Gailey
(c) 2016 Mercury Retro Recordings
Hey, welcome back everyone. It's the stay off my operating table podcast with Dr Philip Ovadia and Phil the hits just keep on coming, one great guest after another. I did a little research on our next guest and what I saw and read kind of blew my mind. I'm boy. I cannot wait to hear more. So set the table for us, tell us what we're going to, who we're going to talk to.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:We'll do and I'm excited for this conversation as well. Today we have Dr Christian Issel's and really excited to talk about some of the innovative and I guess you could call it alternative, but I'm just going to call it a different approach around cancer that Dr Issel's has been participating in and promoting for a long long time now. So excited for this conversation. Before we kind of get into that, dr Issel, why don't you go ahead kind of give your background and introduce yourself to our audience?
Dr. Christian Issels:Well, hi, my name is Dr Christian Issel. I'm a naturopathic doctor and I've been treating cancer patients almost all my whole life. I learned it from my father originally and he came and explained this whole concept of unotherapy to me in 1968, 69. I've been around it Sunday morning walks every single Sunday. He discussed his therapy. So I just around it all my life.
Dr. Christian Issels:And what he told me was that if you even treat cancer properly when you take type of chronic disease, you should not really be an MD, you should be more like a naturopath because it's more extended of care. So the idea is not to be limited by what I call the flowchart medicine, where you basically have to have a certain treatment for a certain disease process and it doesn't really look into why people have it. But as a naturopath we are taught to look at all things. We are taught to look at the cause and look into how to best treat that cause and how we can eliminate that cause, and so it gives you a lot more variety of approaches to the same problem. It's not symptomatic, it's basically symptom plus the Y behind it. And that's how we approach cancer and how you approach any type of chronic disease. In this mind, cancer is a chronic disease and to really treat it you have to treat the causes, otherwise it's going to progress and progress until you pass away.
Jack Heald:Okay, so why was your father's? Why did your father have that particular insight?
Dr. Christian Issels:What was going on with him what was interesting he was. You know I'm originally, he was from Germany and he graduated in medical school in 1929. And then he got stuck in the war, was at the front line and saw a lot of things at war time, but then he left school. When he left the war and he opened up his own private practice, he realized that all the people with the major disease processes you know, like rheumatoid arthritis, you know, you know lupus, things like that anything he was used by uses the textbook to treat them with. It did not work. And he said this is really frustrating. You know, I've been taught this in school and nothing works. So why?
Jack Heald:is that.
Dr. Christian Issels:So he looked into, he did some research and looked into the old doctors he called, you know, he called them, you know, the farm doctors, basically the doctors which who worked on farms, small towns, and they had great results. He went to them and learn what they, what they did and he, you know, once he applied their principles, he started having great results. And then, you know, after being really successful, in Germany in 1949, one of his patients, wife, had had breast cancer and you know so why, you know, I mean, you know, when he treat my wife, well, I can't, you know, I'm not oncologist, I don't know anything about cancer. And he said well, you know, he said please try it. So he tried what he did on other cancer, on other patients, like, if you know, if lupus and she got better somewhat.
Dr. Christian Issels:I mean she passed away, but she improved for a period of time and he said that's very interesting.
Dr. Christian Issels:Why is you know, if cancer is just the disease of the locale, like he used to say it back then? You know that should not, you know that should not work, that should not be something that would be, you know, be workable. But it improved. I mean she didn't survive. But he said, oh, I mean this is actually that process of the whole body approach. You're working on the immune system and how the organ system function actually worked on her somewhat and he just explored that more and more and more and came with different protocols. You know, like the dental issue. You know that you know for the first time infections, lifestyle psychology, you know, and things like that. And then you know they're working on the immune system and developing. You know antigenic therapy from you know from you know from mice with TB and he injected that. That worked really well. He used everything. Well, that mice had TB. And then there's a doctor called Dr Gerlach and he used. He used antigens from mice with TB to inject into cancer patients to activate the immune system and that there's a really good response to that I mean nothing
Dr. Christian Issels:across the board but there's a response in some cases. Then you know, I'm sure you heard of Coley's toxin, right, dr Coley's toxin. Basically it's three types of bacteria, sorry, two types of bacteria, which do you know? They grow in a in a in a vial. Kill them off and then we inject the stem protein coding into the body for phenol response and it has shown to be very effective with, with you know, sort of Thomas, and he used that as well to other cancer patients.
Dr. Christian Issels:So he did the whole. He looked at the whole body and said, okay, if you have a body here, usually the when they're new, healthy, there's no issue of body system function. So the problem is when you get sick there's a dysfunction between the organ systems. So if you just treat the symptom, you're not going to address the dysfunction of the organ system. So you treat that part of it but again other things will fall apart. So the question is why is the example? Is the liver not working right or why did the liver system not? You know, not so nearly properly, you know things like that.
Dr. Christian Issels:And then he used different approaches to actually, but he called if there's a dis-ease process, there's also, that's called a blockade, and the blockade is something where the you know the information the body provides to the immune systems incomplete or incorrect and that's why they don't have the response to it. And the way to do this? You have to break the blockade somehow, and one way to do it, in his mind, was using fever therapy, using some type of. It's not a vaccine per se. Basically, it's just a way to activate immune system, to introduce something that is used as nose but has forgotten about, and now you inject that and then you will have, you will suddenly get an immune response. That's the same thing.
Dr. Christian Issels:Have you heard about auto hemotherapy? No, well, it's basically. It's a German's called Eigenboot therapy. So basically you take about about 0.5 or 0.6 cc of blood, mix it with sterile water, shake it up and re-inject it. I am, and that's one way to introduce, you know, pathogens that you found in the blood or, rephrase this, antigens taught in the bloodstream Re-inject it into another body part where suddenly the dendritic cells would travel to see.
Dr. Christian Issels:Okay, there's an invasion, because when you inject fluid into a muscle, it stretches the fibers and it causes immune response. When, you travel there. Oh see, these are antigens.
Jack Heald:Oh yeah, I recognize those.
Dr. Christian Issels:Let's go back and actually look throughout the body so we can find them. And that's basically. You know, that's basically taking information your body has about its state of health, applying it and to see where it goes next. That's the start of immunotherapy. That's basically the concept behind it. It's not just looking at the cell lines, it's not looking at you know different parts of the immune system. It's basically looking how can we react to it properly.
Jack Heald:So, just to make sure I understand the, the model of dysfunction there is that the body has, for lack of a better word, forgotten how to respond to a particular situation Correct, and the therapy is to and I realize you covered a lot of different therapies, but the last one you withdraw.
Dr. Christian Issels:But I can go yeah draw your blood because when you think about this, everything present in your body right now any disease factor, any antigens are going to be found in the blood because basically it goes everywhere, so it goes to all the organ system and it will absorb and retract some of the antigens present.
Jack Heald:And you just take the blood, dilute it and re-inject it back into a muscle, somewhere like the thigh or the butt or whatever people want to be injected. This helps the response you observe is that the immune system seems to kick back into to working order, correct and it does.
Dr. Christian Issels:It's a very rapid treatment for the common cold. It really works. If you do a series of free shots and early on to the common cold, you very likely will knock it out Nothing is 100% but the immune system will wake up and it will do its job again.
Dr. Christian Issels:It's, you know, it's the immune system. It's not, you know, when people talk about autoimmune disease, it's not the immune system. It's not working. It's just unfocused, it's unaware, and it comes up to the question why is it not aware? Yeah, and that's where the crust of everything is a disease process, it's a dysfunctional immune system. You know, because if you look at history, why is it not? And you have a patient that comes to see you after they turn 50. They suddenly have a disease process they never had before. So it's not genetic. Something which kept it on the on the locking key suddenly stopped doing this job, and then you know.
Dr. Christian Issels:Then the question is what causes? Is it a moral thing? Is it a lifestyle issue? Is it EMF? Is it full side infections on the teeth? Is it, you know, like magnetic, and it's usually only above. You know, you know there's. You know there's a threshold point any person, every person, has. When they get past their threshold point, they're going to get sick and each person has a different genetic background. But that threshold is either very, very high or very, very low, or in the middle, and depends who you are, you know. You know I mean commonly. But when you hear a lot, when you talk to cancer patients or you know, I mean this is a dark. You know I've been healthy all my life. I haven't got a cold, I have had never had any issues, or no, I have cancer. How is that possible? You?
Jack Heald:know, and again you know, if they had about a immune system they would be sick all the time.
Dr. Christian Issels:Right, because the immune protects you from everything. So it's not the immune system that's feeling I'm sorry. It's not the weak immune system, not the problem. It's just something which is the focus is wrong, or you know, or not paying attention enough all right, so that that leads to the question excuse me.
Jack Heald:Let's get more specific, then, about your cancer treatment, okay? Um, from what I can see on the website, there's all different uh folks presenting with all different types of cancers. Um, we've had uh, uh, dr Thomas Seyfried on the show who stated flat out there's all cancer is basically the same, the same metabolic dysfunction. Um, can you, what can you tell us about how you're treating cancer?
Dr. Christian Issels:well, it comes down to it's. You know, it's the. We look at the whole system. Okay, we look. I mean, when you see a patient with the cancer or any disease you look at, you do an intake where you go okay, let me get your history.
Dr. Christian Issels:What's been going on, you know, in general with cancer patients, just to get in general, you know, if you look five years back, something happened five years ago in their, in their life. You know it could be a divorce, it could be. You got really sick, you know, maybe had an injection, maybe they were in a car accident and something. After that she never quite felt right, something was off. And then it takes that long for that cancer actually to take hold because it grows really slowly in the beginning because it's only a few cells and a few cells and they double in, double and it takes a while for them to grow, you know so. So that, so my one, me, look, okay, we look at. All, right, how are this patient system? Is the kidney function properly? You know it's the liver doing this job. Is it detoxing correctly? You know, you know it's still. You know the lymph system draining properly?
Jack Heald:you know is the finest healthy, you know you know the teeth healthy what's the?
Dr. Christian Issels:you know what's the lifestyle like. How do they focus on problems? How much stress have they had? You know, I have to had some type of in history of infection, have to been exposed to Epstein bar or the cyclo megalovirus or have to been exposed to TV in all these things play a role in how the immune system functions and because each organ system is interconnected via neural net, so anything, any system goes wrong, that gets translated across the neural net to the other organ systems so when you pull out a hair cell.
Dr. Christian Issels:Every cell in your body knows you pull out a hair cell on off your head. It's just aware of it, it just knows that's. You know the interconnection of the, you know the neural net or the field. Once that field falls apart, that's when we have the issue of disease happening. So the idea is you take, take patients and you make sure that they get to the, from the disease issue to the. An easy issue again. And the question is what are the factors? And in cancer, you know, because cancer patients we see in general are very you know, they're stage for disease. They have tried chemotherapy they have tried radiation they have tried.
Dr. Christian Issels:You know, you know toxic, you know therapy, uh, radiation, and you know they all have, all have failed it. And the question is you know if you have a? You know in general, you know, but not a thing I'm going to point out which people don't think about very often is then, in a big picture, there are two type of cancer patients that that are exist. It's broad spectrum, you know, it's, you know, very not. Basically you have to be patient who's correct, who has acute cancer. They're the ones that something major happened in life they got the divorce, we're in the car accident and the body just shut down for a period of, you know, nine months, 12 months, enough time for the body just for the cancer to grow, and then that problem resolves itself through time.
Dr. Christian Issels:And they are the ones who respond really well to chemotherapy and radiation and surgery, because the online factor has resolved itself, so they will have the good outcome with the therapy. So that's why, if the success is in chemotherapy in some cases, but then the efforts, I call a chronic cancer patient, the one who has issues with the organ system function, which has been going on many, many years, they're the ones who respond somewhat, but six months later it returns and then they, you know, do more chemo, and then the progression increases quite a bit, and so that's the ones that's the people usually usually know me see now in our, in our, in my practice, in our practice, that once with you know a chronic, so I mean, that's the key thing when you see it, when you get diagnosed with cancer, the important thing to realize is which patient are you?
Dr. Christian Issels:are you the chronic or are you the acute? If you're cute, you know, but you know, keep my fabulous will serve you. If you're chronic, it won't. It might buy you a little time. I mean, they did a study where they took 10 years of cancer patients with all type of cancers and looked at the 5-year survival with chemo and the numbers are dismal. If you put them all together it's like 2.7% long-term survival of chemotherapy yeah.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:So just to step back a moment and talk about the origin of cancer. Cancer is basically uncontrolled growth. A group of cells start growing without the normal checkpoints and the growth becomes out of control. Essentially, and certainly when your dad started his career, the prevailing theory, which came out of Germany and Otto Warburg primarily, was that this was a metabolic problem, that the cells switched their metabolism which allowed them to have this uncontrolled growth. And as things progressed probably as you were growing up and then you were going into training and certainly as I went through my medical training, the prevailing theory became it was because of gene mutations within these cells that allowed them to grow. And that's largely. Our focus today is on these genetic mutations and we've kind of forgotten about the metabolic issue. And thankfully I think there is a bit of a resurgence in interest in the metabolic theory. But I'd like to kind of hear, just your at a basic level what is the underlying problem in cancer? Because understanding the underlying problem is usually what leads you to figure out effective treatments. All right.
Dr. Christian Issels:So the way I understand it, the way I look at the problem, is that when you look at, when you use the idea of genetics, what it is it's basically what you're looking into is probably epigenetics.
Dr. Christian Issels:Because, these mutations have been present once you're born and it took a certain amount of time for those to be turned on by getting exposure to certain growth factors or genes which are getting turned off or turned on to cause the cancer to grow. That's a change of environment of the body to allow these factors to be there and to do their bidding.
Dr. Christian Issels:So, it is. Basically it is both a genetic disease as well as it is a disease of the metabolism. They're not separate, I don't think, Because metabolism controls what genes do and genes somewhat control what metabolism does as well.
Jack Heald:So they're intermarried.
Dr. Christian Issels:So it's basically the question comes down to what part of that process can be fixed. We know there's a breakdown in metabolism to have cancer grow, and usually it's unchecked from inflammation which causes cancer. Because once you have information self-sluiced, they're able to control them to what they do. And once you get that point, anything can go wrong. It's like taking your finger rubbing another table for the first 15 minutes of it, not a big deal. If you do that for three hours you've got a hole. Same thing with any type of area we have inflammation at its present long term.
Dr. Christian Issels:So the first step is number one is finding out okay, what's the cause? Why are you getting that information at that system? Why is that system irritated for that long period of time? And then you have to look at the epigenetics and say, okay, what parts can I control in removing out of my system so they do not turn into cancer cells?
Dr. Christian Issels:And that's why it's important to know your family history as well, because if you have a history of having there's a famous example, having lung cancer, you do have very likely a genetic issue in that part of your gene pool. So the idea is not to avoid things, to turn those factors on. If you're not breast cancer, for example, that's very likely you have a problem with estrogen metabolism. Then if you get on top of that, if you have that issue, then you get an exposure to F-sign bar which affects the premature cause long term inflammation. Then you have a higher chance of developing breast cancer. But again, basically it's everything goes into how the bodies function. It's all how the organisms are interrelated and they're supported or they're not.
Jack Heald:I'm not sure I'm clear on well, actually I am sure I'm not clear which is the more accurate way to say it when you talk about body systems. So, if somebody presents with a particular kind of cancer, is the thesis that whatever system that cancer is in, that's where the weakness is, or does the cancer show up in other systems?
Dr. Christian Issels:That's the problem. It can be the same system, but it can be other systems as well, because everything is interrelated.
Dr. Christian Issels:That's the difficulty of addressing the whole body. It's basically it's not working on one system alone. It's actually working on all the skin, the liver, the kidneys, the GI system. All these systems have to do their proper job to have a healthy body. One thing my dad told me which I think is very true is that a lot of times, when people are very, very ill to start with, you look at their blood and it looks totally fine. It doesn't look like they have a major problem. Then you start treating the problem and suddenly the blood turns. It shows the true picture of what's going on. That's which is really interesting. I've seen many times we have a patient come in and you start the whole body therapy and then suddenly you see things come away.
Dr. Christian Issels:There's actually a liver issue there. The liver enzymes are off. Then you support the liver and they come back and they improve. There's an issue with the GI system. They suddenly have a hard time digesting certain foods which they were totally fine with before. Then you fix that problem and then at the same time the body improves in function and the patient gets better. The patient gets better. It's easier just to broad stroke. We do more than just that, but that's the idea behind the whole body treatment that we have to address the whole body. Then each cancer type needs to be more specific. The newest thing we have right now is we call that cell therapies I think it's on our website where we take uts, the autologous T cells, mesochelous cells and dendritic cells.
Dr. Christian Issels:We take those cells, all your bloodstream, run it through a cell separator, expose them to the antigens that are found in the serum to form an inactivation in the cultural cells, Then re-inject them as a treatment. Those cells then are exposed to the antigens and they can be focused on where the problem lies, on to the cancer, but also in the after dendritic cells. They will actually go travel back to the B cells and they will produce some antigens long term. You do both. You do an immune response which is current right away, but then also work on the production of antibodies to produce a long term immune response. But the problem with that is, if you don't change the underlying milieu after a period of time those cells will really go back into hibernation again. So if you just do one part of the treatment, like just doing the cell therapies by itself, it's not going to work long term because basically the environment controls what the cells do.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:So what are some of the ways, then, that you're manipulating the environment to you know, I guess, favor, you know, these actions from these immune cells.
Dr. Christian Issels:So the way we control the environment is number one. If you look into, you know, like I said, we do a big questionnaire where we look into, you know, how the systems are working. We look into, you know, kidney function. We look at the liver function. We look into limb system how well it drains. We look into a finest function as well and see how these systems are working.
Dr. Christian Issels:And that's the first step then support the systems and then you would then find out if there's, for example, if there's an underlying, if there's a chronic viral infections present which will affect the immune system I mean the test for foci infections. You know, if they're there, you have to address those. And then, for example, there's a, you know, then of course, lifestyle diet is an important example. If you're a type A blood group, you can be vegetarian. If you're an O, it's very hard for you to be a vegetarian, you know, be vegetarian because you have a very difficult time to reabsorbating plant proteins.
Dr. Christian Issels:So I've seen a lot of cases where, with vegetarian breast cancer patients, because they lack, you know, they had an issue with, you know, with detoxification of the liver. You know, if it's a viral, you treat the virus. Plus, you know the other organ systems. If it's, you know, if it's related to foci infections, we let the CP can address those If they're willing. If there's a root canal in the meridian for you know, for example, the front teeth meridian, you know you correspond to your general areas like the prostate, fibromenia, ovaries, deuterus, things like that, and usually in the end of the day they have to be addressed. You know, if you go to, you know, the back back, up up a teeth, it's usually the breast tissue as well, things like that. And then just, you know, use treatments such as hydrocytamine C we do use, you know we use hydroxychloride, the addition to the cell therapies, hypothermia, ozone, leitrile, all these have shown to be, you know to be effective versus some cancers.
Jack Heald:Nothing works as all cancers.
Dr. Christian Issels:But again, if you start working on the underlying milieu, they will have a good outcome. And the big thing you know people, if you look at all the treatments with you know and right now people propose this you're looking at the one-shock curing cancer like the one you know, the one Maxine, or the one therapy to address it all and I don't think it's too complex to have that happen Because you can take, you know, the same cancer. You know the patients with different, 10 different reasons why they have it and you have to treat them differently each of them and which makes it really it makes it very hard to mass produce. You know that's not really money in treating one patient at a time because you cannot mass produce in the factories to get the payment for yeah.
Jack Heald:I want to go back to something you said. After the intake questionnaire, you find out if there's dysfunction in the organ systems. And then you said support the liver, support the kidney, support the phallus, support the lymph Right. And what does that look like?
Dr. Christian Issels:Well again.
Jack Heald:I'm the layman in the group here.
Dr. Christian Issels:So I'm the best to stick with you Okay, no worries.
Dr. Christian Issels:So what I would? For example, if you look at, you know, liver function, you would use the proper what I call cofactors detoxification. You know we would use things such as terraxial, which is aniline, which causes increases. You know Bolliflow, which is one way toxins leave the liver. That'd be one step, you know. If you, you know, you look at different. You look at the minerals, the magnesium, you know, potassium we use, you know, we use, you know the B vitamins, folic acid, things like that, to make sure we have a proper, have this proper detox pathways.
Jack Heald:Make those, make sure they function well.
Dr. Christian Issels:So whatever the liver gets exposed to, it can process it. And then, of course, you need to have the right proteins to conjugate the toxins, to expel them through the gut.
Dr. Christian Issels:So if you know, so when you do work on the liver and you don't fix the gut, all these toxins we get reabsorbed in the gut to be going back into your bloodstream because amygdala is a cycle. So then you have to work on okay, how can you make sure you got this working right? And you have to look at digestive, digestive enzymes if they're necessary. You know proteases, proper enough gut flora. They did this study. I mean there's a woman's side which is really interesting with cancer. But basically the guy had history of he was mobile UBS, he had history of heart failure and he was diabetic.
Jack Heald:And what you know. They did a study in.
Dr. Christian Issels:England, where they do you know what a lestris.
Jack Heald:I've heard of it, but I don't remember what it's supposed to do. Basically, there was this great food.
Dr. Christian Issels:I had a great thing they did in I think 2000,.
Jack Heald:I think it was a 2000,.
Dr. Christian Issels:But they put it. You know they put it on chips so you would not. You know you wouldn't get the fat of the chip. So you can eat your chip but you won't, you know, get the cholesterol out. That was the idea behind it.
Jack Heald:What it does is actually a fat that doesn't get absorbed by the body.
Dr. Christian Issels:So basically you would poop it right out. That's why they had issues with the bloodstream, because people had bad smelling stool and loose stools. So the only thing he did different with his lifestyle was he added 15 on lestris chips three times a day for three years. That's all he did, and at that time, for me, he lost most of his weight.
Dr. Christian Issels:He's no longer diabetic and improved his heart function. The reason it worked is proposed that what happens is when you detoxify and the fats, like the bile salts you know, get reabsorbed in the gut. Because if you don't, if you get rid of the toxins, you put them into the GI system, into the lung test, lung test, and if they don't get expelled you're going to get reexposed to that. So lest you're bound, all them, those toxins, the pesticides and those things, and he pooped, not slowly, through the three years.
Dr. Christian Issels:And that increases metabolism and you know so he lost the weight. Once he lost the weight, it increased, you know, it reduced, you know his blood sugar because you know, as you know, being obese causes insulin resistance, or reduced that. And then, of course, because you have the lack of the, you know like fat is a lot of bascule area and that increases, you know, you know the stress on the heart and so all these things work together. But it's a. He did it very slowly. I mean it's a very you know it's not a lot of therapy, but it took that long to get the response.
Dr. Christian Issels:So you know, but again it's, he bought it a way to fix it, fix the problem, and if you can't, unfortunately a lot of times it's going to take some time to fix the problem. You don't have three years of a cancer patients to really, you know, fix the whole problem. But he can actually fix some of the problem and do treatments which are which attack the cancer by itself. The time to fix the problem and the average therapy, you know average, my dad, the treatment in Germany, I mean, the average treatment time was a year. Yeah, people were with him for a year and that's when you got the great results of people that are just shorter. They didn't respond as well.
Jack Heald:So it almost sounds like I'm trying to figure out how to articulate this question. It sounds like you're treating cancer as simply the single, most unavoidably obvious symptom of an underlying health issue. Correct, and you're not really treating the cancer. You're making the. I guess you're approaching it from the standpoint that the cancer, the body, will take care of the cancer if everything else is working right. Is that right? Am I that's?
Dr. Christian Issels:correct. It's a little bit more than that, but it's very close Basically, if you have a healthy body, the body that there's, it's not the environment where cancer can grow, because all the metabolic issues which the cancer needs to be present are going to be gone, so something that's no more nurturing the cancer. But the problem with that process is that patients in general don't have the time and, secondly, they have had so many different complex therapies done to them yeah.
Dr. Christian Issels:And then you talk to it that it's a really so we need to treat the cancer and then we use it with. That's why we used to sell therapies. We use therapies for the cancer cells without causing side effects per se. We don't want to go say I know you have a toxic body and it takes a lot of time to fix it to fix that underlying toxic exposure. Now we're going to give them more toxins, while they're trying to buy them time.
Dr. Christian Issels:And if that doesn't work, it's basically you're not going to reduce the load that you need to control the outcome. So we want to use therapies which are non. Nothing is non-toxic really. I mean, have no but at least toxic outcome possible and that allows the body to respond and actually remove the underlying cause the best as it can. In some cases it can't get it done because people are not compliant Right.
Jack Heald:And we can buy them time.
Dr. Christian Issels:But again, if you don't make those changes which I mentioned, like addressing the system, function because it's not easy to address that it's not easy to address. People release it in their ways, unfortunately, people know what they like and they have. For example, people love to, they like to have hybrids, they like the cake, they like the candy, and for them to give that up it's giving up a friend. Maybe they say I'm looking forward to having my ice cream after dinner or whatever they take in.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:So I guess in a lot of ways, kind of like Jack said, the focus isn't necessarily on the cancer treatment, it's on sort of more in the environment. You mentioned that many of your patients, before they come to you, have already done whether traditional, non-traditional, they've done lots of other treatments that they've largely failed and you're now seeing people who have failed multiple courses of treatment. What's the general approach as to whether the types of therapies that you do and you instruct people on continuing, let's say what we'll call more traditional treatment approaches? Do you think these are substitutes? In an ideal world, would you like people to try these other therapies first, your immunotherapies that you do Before doing the other stuff? How do you think they work together?
Dr. Christian Issels:Well, again, they do work together pretty well, I think. When I talk to patients, when I see patients, they're usually on stage four or stage three, if they come to me at stage one. Of course I cannot prove it 100%, but I think I would be almost 100% I had a cure rate, but I don't get that. So it's really hard for me. I mean that's what I would do. So basically look at the problem, address the problem and then because then you have the time to really do it Then you have the people who are in the first stage diagnosis.
Jack Heald:It's not going to go anywhere, at least, three to four years to be a little bit less, but that's enough time to address their mind cause.
Dr. Christian Issels:But if they come to me at stage three, stage four, and they have a large tumor which is pressing against the eorta, it's compressing it. Basically, I don't have three years to do anything. I got to address, I got to take something aggressive like chemoembolism, possibly, or radiation surgery, to help me get the time to actually address the problem. It's a time factor.
Jack Heald:Basically, it's tumor is not going to stop growing the first year of therapy.
Dr. Christian Issels:The idea is it's going to keep growing until it gets to a point where the body starts the therapy starts working and the cancer stops growing. But that could be a month away. It could be enough time to progress and actually obstruct the blood flow Then that patient is dead, or if it presses on, if it affects liver function, it shuts down the liver.
Dr. Christian Issels:Yeah the therapy is great, but the patient is not going to be alive. Again, you need to know the case. You need to look at what part you look to in history to see what are number one, what are the organs that are working, and do I have the time to address it properly? Then the question is, if I have the time, then I say, yeah, we can take our time. If you don't, then we do therapy switcher allopathically minded, like radiation surgery or chemoembolism, things like that To get us the time to get it in use to therapy which is going to be least toxic to the patient.
Dr. Christian Issels:Systemic chemoferapist can be very toxic, but chemoembolism is still going to be somewhat toxic. It's still going to spread throughout the body, but it's not going to be as aggressive with that Surgery. Again, it's chemoemol that's cut it out, except sarcomas. Don't touch a sarcoma ever, because it gets more aggressive each time you cut it.
Dr. Christian Issels:So again, in general you can cut it out the other part in this process. The less human body has to fight. It's going to be easier to overcome it. If it's a lot of large mouths, it's going to take more time. If you cut it out and you suddenly have only a few cells floating around, it's going to be a little bit easier for the immune system to do its job. But the key thing is it has to stay active long term. It cannot just turn on for six weeks, seven weeks, two months and then go back to termination again.
Jack Heald:Excuse me, so is the distinction between what you called acute cancer and chronic cancer? Is that you're really talking, as it sounds to me, like you're really talking about the underlying wellness of the patient otherwise, and the amount of time that they've been in a fundamentally disease state that may or may not have been presenting with any symptoms? Correct, they're not really two different things, it's just.
Dr. Christian Issels:No, basically it's a chronic person with chronic disease, except the first symptom of the chronic disease is the cancer. Right, okay, that's the main principle. Right, basically, you have a body that's kind of like having a field of weeds.
Dr. Christian Issels:You've got the roots everywhere, except the weed has not germinated yet, but it's there. So the idea is I mean you cut through surgery and you cut the top off, but not the weed, not the roots. I mean the same thing with using chemotherapy. It's like using weed killer, but they always even. It works most of the time you're still going to have some weeds come back because the soil is still allowing the weed to grow. That's the kind of the concept behind it. So you want to make sure that soil is not hospitable to the cancer. It cannot grow in that environment. That's what auto-malbore comes in with his spritic point issues the environment controls what the cell does.
Jack Heald:This would be, I think, for those of us who are not medical professionals. I've heard the name auto-vorberg many, many times, but I'm not that familiar with his work, so give us a quick history. What was his contribution to the field?
Dr. Christian Issels:Well, basically what my take from that was that the metabolism, everything which the cancer cell lives on, is not anaerobic. So in a sense, oxygen is anti-cancer per se. So basically, everything which anaerobic metabolism will produce cancer down the line as long as it stays anaerobic. And that's the main idea he took away. Basically, if you have oxygen present, it does not cause cancer. But if you are living in an environment which is lack of oxygen, anaerobic, that will develop a disease process. That's the main principle he brought back and I think that's a very important one too. Basically, at any time when you think about it, when you think about I mean just think about exercise, when you use your muscles, you run, and after a period of time you run out of oxygen and then you start working on it in an erectionally, basically you're going to need to do some lactic acid and that's an irritant. Same type of concept with the fear that Warbeck was talking about. It's much more complex than that, but that's the principle Anything anaerobic will cause inflammation.
Dr. Christian Issels:And if the inflammation is there long enough, it will cause a mutation in the cell and it will become what he called cancerous.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:And one of the other key parts of Warburg's theories was that cancer cells live off of glucose and that they will. Basically, they're going to find a way to get glucose. They're going to steal it, take it from anywhere and to the point that I guess to an excessive point that they are going to go to essentially start to cannibalize the rest of the body to be able to get the energy that they need to survive.
Dr. Christian Issels:Yeah, and you know that's, you know it's, you know it's very interesting when you look at PET scans and you look at those, I mean, the most hottest spot in the body are, you know, the cancer cells, and it's how they term that scans of president is the metabolism is so efficient in absorbing glucose, but you know, but the metabolism of course turns, is going to be anaerobic and caused a bill of lack of lack of gas or things like that Right.
Jack Heald:So it sounds like the folks who show up at your clinic are as as a rule are well past the point where they could have made a change earlier. That would have prevented them from getting to that point, correct, um, so I'm guessing that you have some guidelines to prevent people from getting to that point?
Dr. Christian Issels:Correct. I mean the biggest. The biggest thing I think I can, I can mention is, uh, it is stress, metabolic stress as well, as you know, physical stress, and I mean basically what stress does is you know.
Jack Heald:It causes, you know it.
Dr. Christian Issels:You know it doesn't allow you to actually heal. There's no healing response through stress and it also there's no real up. You don't absorb any highly stressed. So basically you would have a one you want to heal yourself or you will not absorb as well when you're stressed so that that'll allow being in that stress factor of a period of, you know, five, six, 10 years. It's going to cause depletion in your, in your nutrition already Basically just not as efficient and absorbing like because you're stressed. And then of course, having, you know, explosives. You know having dead work damages improper, you know. You know having root canal stun which are quite dangerous. You know dental hygiene is important, you know. You know, of course, you know eating organic foods is important. You know things like that. You know make sure you have, you know, a good intake of vitamin C. You know have a good multivitamin to take it, but make sure you absorb it too. You know a lot of people say, yeah, I've been taking vitamins all my life and it only worked for me.
Dr. Christian Issels:you know they don't do much for you. Yeah, probably not absorbing the vitamins.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:You know a good digestive tract.
Dr. Christian Issels:So you know improved digestion. But you know, when you get older you digestive tract reduces in function. So basically you're going to support. You know you got to do the hydrochloric acid if you need it. And you know digestive enzymes and again you know using fish oils are important because they keep the membranes healthy, because everything your body does, it is secret or absorb, it goes from membranes. So you have to have a healthy membrane. Things like that Make sure that you know. Make sure that the organs make sure you support the liver. You don't do anything that's really damaging the liver, you know. A key thing I want to mention is fit women. Don't take any milk, fizzle Milk fizzle is fit women.
Dr. Christian Issels:Men is fine, but women have a hard time with milk fizzle. It's something you can be really careful with. You know usually you're overdosing. It causes liver stress, even though it's a liver support. But if you do too much of it it's going to do damage. Let's see.
Jack Heald:Interesting. Yeah, people don't know about that. But again, another part is if you are.
Dr. Christian Issels:If you type O blood group, you do need animal proteins. You can be vegetarian, you know. Another part is you know you think you live a healthy lifestyle by eating a lot of fish, but a lot of the fish, as you know, has mercury in them and one of the worst ones to take in is actually a rat snapper, the highest mercury level of the fish, and tuna, of course tuna or swordfish. All these ones you know you can buy them in the store. They have a couple of companies. I'm not sure if it's the business now, but they actually test the fish and they make it mercury.
Dr. Christian Issels:They say it's mercury free. So that's a good quality fish, eat organic. You know, make sure it's feed meat, it's free range. You know things like that.
Jack Heald:So you're. You're describing stress in a much broader, using a much broader definition of stress than folks are typically used to thinking of. We're not talking just about emotional stress or mental stress. We're also talking about physiological stress that you place on your body through well, through what you eat, obviously, but I guess all the other factors as well.
Dr. Christian Issels:Well, one of the stresses people don't really think about is is carbohydrate intake. I don't know if carbohydrate intake is a high, high stress on your body. We can fix that. But you eat a banana, you drop the banana, you swallow the banana, it goes into your stomach, into your small intestine. It gets absorbed. You blood sugar spikes when insulin gets up, gets produced to reduce the sugar. Suddenly the sugar drops and everybody says, oh my God, oh my God, my sugar is slow. Then he goes to the adrenals. We lose cortisol to travel to the liver to reduce more glucose.
Dr. Christian Issels:And that's when people have that post-pranial coma. When they come home they take out the lunch and they go back and say, oh, I'm so tired. I mean, that's what that is. That's that stress factor. And people do that four, five, three, four times a day. That's not as bad as running from the tiger. They do it via diet. So food, food's, for example, should be combined properly Anytime you eat any type of carbohydrate combined with some fat or some protein or both, excuse me. So yeah, it's the stresses. It can be EMF stress as well. Watching TV, you know we're having a four next to your bed. Anything that's not normal function for your body from the concausal type of stress for you. So you've got to be. But right now, the world we live in, you cannot avoid it. Really you cannot avoid Wi-Fi.
Jack Heald:I mean it's a bit, it's a bit it's a bit swollen, so yeah, we live in a world where we've got all kinds of radio waves going.
Dr. Christian Issels:That's why it's more. There's been more cancer and we're facing more chronic diseases.
Jack Heald:I don't even know which direction to take the questions, Phil. It's kind of it, opens it up.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:So, talk about that relationship. Some between you know these other chronic diseases and cancer.
Dr. Christian Issels:What I think sample there is, there's a, there's a excuse me, for example, people with TB you know there's a high high because chronic TB people will develop lung cancer down the line.
Dr. Christian Issels:It's off the irritation. I think sample lupus, you know, is an autoimmune disease which will affect you know. You know, excuse me, I'm going to tickle my phone, I do apologize. So again, these functions are they only cause irritation down the line? I mean, uncheck the irritation is the problem. It's because inflammation it have a long enough, there will be a, there will be a weakness.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:Yeah, I think we see over and over. You know all these various, you know disease processes that we talk about. You know, for me, obviously, it's largely focused on cardiovascular disease. You know you're talking about cancer, whether we're talking about diabetes, alzheimer's disease, all of these things point back to inflammation and this chronic, you know, inflammatory response to something. And those are usually, you know, some external stimuli, like the food you're eating, or you know stress, like you mentioned, and lots of other things that can be leading to this inflammation. And then when that gets kind of out of control, you know that's when we start seeing problems with these chronic diseases.
Dr. Christian Issels:Correct. Yeah, mainly now. If you look at, you know, if you look at the approach of, I mean, if you look at cancer as a chronic disease, the approach, is going to be different than having you know the disease of, you know the locale, I mean, and you look at. I mean you develop a breast lesion. What are you going to do? First, you know if they can cut it, it will cut it.
Dr. Christian Issels:Next thing you're going to radiate it and then say go home, you cure it now. You know, do some testing and if it comes back here it's going to be either radiate it again or do chemotherapy.
Jack Heald:But they don't even think okay, why is it there? Yeah.
Dr. Philip Ovadia:I think this has really been a you know kind of fascinating discussion around cancer. I hope this is going to stimulate some people to think a little, think differently about this and, you know, leads us down some different ideas about what we might do to effectively manage this disease process. So let people know how they can learn, you know, get in touch with you, learn more about your process where you treat patients. I'm sure you know many people are going to be curious about this.
Dr. Christian Issels:So they can. Right now, we have a center in Mexico, in Tijuana, where we do the cell therapies right now, and the way to find us is, you know, the website is, you know, islotscom, and the phone number is 805-5-0-0-8349. And I'm also on Twitter Dr Islots can you put that on any information down? Possibly the Twitter is. This will help me.
Jack Heald:I'm looking on the website and this information is in fact there on the website as well. Phone number, email there's your Twitter, yep. So we will make sure that all this information shows up in the show notes.
Dr. Christian Issels:And the way I usually do this. We have people call us and I, you know, we respond, and I send them a first email, this way they can download their information, and I reviewed that and say, well, yes, you're a candidate, no, you're not. And then the next step is if you want to proceed and it's pretty, I mean, it's pretty much, it's a pretty. You know a little bit about the program. It's a 12-day program in a six-month home care protocol afterwards. So basically, the first part of the process is we take you know, take the you know do the cell therapies first, and so we have that activation of the immune system right away and we use T cells, mesocatalys cells, and then really excel in that process, which are activated, re-injected, and then you go home and then we do the long-term work up for the online causes.
Jack Heald:It's just an average go take six months. Wow. Well, I would encourage listeners to go to DrIssells website issellscom. That's ISSELS. Again, the link will be in the show notes. Just read some of the stories. I was fascinated to find, story after story after story, of folks who'd basically been given no hope at all by the allopathic approach to cancer treatment who are alive today because of they attribute it to DrIssells treatment. So this, I suspect this episode is going to save some lives, absolutely. I hope so.
Dr. Christian Issels:Thank you so much for having me.
Jack Heald:Wow, all right. Well, I don't know how you top this one, phil. This has been the Stay Off my Operating Table podcast for Dr Christian Issells and Dr Phillip Ovedi. I'm Jack Heald. I'll talk to you next time.