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as"},{"startTime":2909.47,"endTime":2912.7499999999995,"body":"it relates to music, because"},{"startTime":2909.47,"endTime":2912.7499999999995,"body":"that matters to me as well."},{"startTime":2913.0099999999998,"endTime":2914.49,"body":"But I'll probably have to"},{"startTime":2913.0099999999998,"endTime":2914.49,"body":"pay you to do that, and"},{"startTime":2914.49,"endTime":2916.68,"body":"I'm not gonna do that while"},{"startTime":2914.49,"endTime":2916.68,"body":"everybody else is listening."},{"startTime":2917.64,"endTime":2919.7299999999996,"body":"This has been Stay"},{"startTime":2917.64,"endTime":2919.7299999999996,"body":"Off My Operating Table"},{"startTime":2919.7299999999996,"endTime":2921.43,"body":"with Dr. Philip Ovadia."},{"startTime":2921.49,"endTime":2923.6899999999996,"body":"If you'd like to know more"},{"startTime":2921.49,"endTime":2923.6899999999996,"body":"if you've heard something"},{"startTime":2923.6899999999996,"endTime":2928.2299999999996,"body":"with… that's made you think"},{"startTime":2923.6899999999996,"endTime":2928.2299999999996,"body":"hey, maybe I need to look at"},{"startTime":2928.68,"endTime":2932.99,"body":"getting a coach to help me"},{"startTime":2928.68,"endTime":2932.99,"body":"get healthy,\" Ovadia Heart"},{"startTime":2932.99,"endTime":2935.1,"body":"Health is where you wanna go."},{"startTime":2935.3199999999997,"endTime":2938.2799999999997,"body":"All the links will"},{"startTime":2935.3199999999997,"endTime":2938.2799999999997,"body":"be in the show notes."},{"startTime":2938.6,"endTime":2942.2999999999997,"body":"You can get there just by"},{"startTime":2938.6,"endTime":2942.2999999999997,"body":"clicking on it, and I guess"},{"startTime":2942.2999999999997,"endTime":2943.43,"body":"we're good for the day."},{"startTime":2943.64,"endTime":2944.7499999999995,"body":"Phil, any last words?"},{"startTime":2946.5699999999997,"endTime":2946.8799999999997,"body":"No."},{"startTime":2946.8799999999997,"endTime":2950.41,"body":"I think this people are gonna"},{"startTime":2946.8799999999997,"endTime":2950.41,"body":"get a lot of insights from this."},{"startTime":2950.45,"endTime":2954.1,"body":"Again, I think Kelsey brings"},{"startTime":2950.45,"endTime":2954.1,"body":"a pretty unique perspective"},{"startTime":2954.4799999999996,"endTime":2958.6,"body":"to our team, to coaching"},{"startTime":2954.4799999999996,"endTime":2958.6,"body":"and really looking forward"},{"startTime":2958.7699999999995,"endTime":2960.16,"body":"to be working with her."},{"startTime":2962.2999999999997,"endTime":2964.2999999999997,"body":"As am I. All right, folks."},{"startTime":2964.3399999999997,"endTime":2965.3399999999997,"body":"Thanks for joining us."},{"startTime":2965.87,"endTime":2969.7799999999997,"body":"We're good for the day, and"},{"startTime":2965.87,"endTime":2969.7799999999997,"body":"we will talk to you next time."}]}