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It's"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":35.43,"endTime":38.1,"body":"the Stay Off My Operating Table"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":38.1,"endTime":42.900000000000006,"body":"podcast with Dr. Philip Ovadia."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":38.1,"endTime":42.900000000000006,"body":"Doctor O., I want to call this"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":42.93000000000001,"endTime":46.440000000000005,"body":"episode, \"Doctors and Children.\""},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":42.93000000000001,"endTime":46.440000000000005,"body":"What do you say?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":46.77,"endTime":48.96,"body":"Sounds like"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":46.77,"endTime":48.96,"body":"good topic."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":48.99,"endTime":54.03,"body":"So this is something"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":48.99,"endTime":54.03,"body":"that I have wondered about. 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And I've had this question,"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":63.72,"endTime":68.34,"body":"\"Should children of any age from"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":63.72,"endTime":68.34,"body":"infancy to the time they're"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":68.34,"endTime":75.54,"body":"adults out of the house - should"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":68.34,"endTime":75.54,"body":"we require them to eat the same"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":75.54,"endTime":79.2,"body":"way that we as adults eat in"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":75.54,"endTime":79.2,"body":"order to be metabolically"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":79.2,"endTime":82.89,"body":"healthy?\" Just give me the whole"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":79.2,"endTime":82.89,"body":"nine yards."},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":83.58000000000001,"endTime":86.4,"body":"Sure thing."},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":83.58000000000001,"endTime":86.4,"body":"And you know, I have children of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":86.4,"endTime":90.99000000000001,"body":"my own, I have nine and 11 year"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":86.4,"endTime":90.99000000000001,"body":"old daughters. 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