{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":35.370000000000005,"endTime":37.38,"body":"Welcome back to the"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":35.370000000000005,"endTime":37.38,"body":"stay off my operating table"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":37.38,"endTime":42.24,"body":"podcast with Dr. Philip Oveadia."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":37.38,"endTime":42.24,"body":"Did I say Dr. O'Phillip Ovadia?"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":42.81,"endTime":48.63,"body":"Dr. Philip Ovadia. I'm your co"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":42.81,"endTime":48.63,"body":"host, Jack Heald. And we are"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":48.63,"endTime":53.19,"body":"digging into what happens"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":48.63,"endTime":53.19,"body":"positively for your body when"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":53.19,"endTime":57.06,"body":"you improve your metabolic"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":53.19,"endTime":57.06,"body":"health. 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How does improving your"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":84.39,"endTime":91.08000000000001,"body":"metabolic health cure diabetes?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":92.13,"endTime":95.1,"body":"Yeah, so one"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":92.13,"endTime":95.1,"body":"thing I want to, you know, kind"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":95.1,"endTime":97.98,"body":"of make clear from the beginning"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":95.1,"endTime":97.98,"body":"of this discussion is that we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":97.98,"endTime":102.81,"body":"are referring to type two"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":97.98,"endTime":102.81,"body":"diabetes, as opposed to type one"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":102.81,"endTime":106.86,"body":"diabetes. 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He's"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1009.9300000000001,"endTime":1014.82,"body":"licensed to do this kind of"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1009.9300000000001,"endTime":1014.82,"body":"thing. So you can find Dr."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1014.82,"endTime":1019.74,"body":"Ovadia at Ovadia Heart Health"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1014.82,"endTime":1019.74,"body":"Dot Com. What's the URL for your"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1019.74,"endTime":1021.9300000000001,"body":"telemedicine? Can they get to it"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1019.74,"endTime":1021.9300000000001,"body":"there?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":1022.23,"endTime":1025.05,"body":"Yeah, Ovadia"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":1022.23,"endTime":1025.05,"body":"Heart Health Dot Com is okay to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":1025.05,"endTime":1025.59,"body":"find that."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1026.03,"endTime":1027.98,"body":"So I got to"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1026.03,"endTime":1027.98,"body":"encourage you folks out there"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1027.98,"endTime":1031.55,"body":"anybody who's who's aware that"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1027.98,"endTime":1031.55,"body":"they're dealing with early onset"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1031.55,"endTime":1036.41,"body":"or even full blown type two"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1031.55,"endTime":1036.41,"body":"diabetes to yourself and your"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1036.41,"endTime":1039.83,"body":"loved ones a favor and take care"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1036.41,"endTime":1039.83,"body":"of it. And if you need help get"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1039.83,"endTime":1044.09,"body":"a hold of Dr. Aveda of at a"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1039.83,"endTime":1044.09,"body":"heart health.com And I recommend"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1044.09,"endTime":1048.26,"body":"that you get his book cleverly"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1044.09,"endTime":1048.26,"body":"named. Stay off my operating"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1048.26,"endTime":1052.34,"body":"table. It's available on"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1048.26,"endTime":1052.34,"body":"amazon.com and definitely follow"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1052.34,"endTime":1056.9,"body":"him on Twitter at I fix hearts."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1052.34,"endTime":1056.9,"body":"Any last words for Dr. O before"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1056.9,"endTime":1057.95,"body":"we sign off for the day?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":1058.31,"endTime":1060.0800000000002,"body":"Another great"},{"speaker":"Dr. Philip Ovadia","startTime":1058.31,"endTime":1060.0800000000002,"body":"discussion, Jack."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1060.53,"endTime":1064.04,"body":"Thanks, man. It is"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1060.53,"endTime":1064.04,"body":"this these last two episodes"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1064.07,"endTime":1068.75,"body":"have have really helped me to"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1064.07,"endTime":1068.75,"body":"understand better what's going"},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1068.75,"endTime":1072.26,"body":"on. Alright, well for Dr."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1068.75,"endTime":1072.26,"body":"Phillip Ovadia. I'm Jack Heald."},{"speaker":"Jack Heald","startTime":1072.77,"endTime":1074.9,"body":"We will talk to you next time"}]}