After Thoughts
After Thoughts
Beach House Chaos, Unexpected 'Radio Voices', and Therapeutic Discoveries
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[A.I Generated] Ever been surprised by the sound of your own voice? Ever found yourself up at 3 AM wrestling with anxious kids at a beach house vacation? This episode is an intimate tour through the trials and tribulations of juggling a busy life. My sister and I share about our recent beach vacation with our young children and reveal our struggles with sleep and the unexpected fun of staying in a beach house. We also discuss our surprising discovery that we possess 'radio voices' and dive into the nuances of soundproofing a new space.
Have you ever built a Lego tower while simultaneously dealing with a kitchen plumbing malfunction? I bet not. In this whirlwind episode, we also tackle the joys and challenges of playtime with kids, and the unexpected plumbing issues that can turn your weekend upside down. We share hilarious anecdotes from our life, like juggling a demanding day job with the added tasks of organizing gigs and a wedding. Plus, we spill the beans on a hot new ramen bar that’s opening downtown.
Hit the pause button on your busy life and join us as we trade secrets on podcast editing and brainstorm future episodes. We let you in on our therapy journeys and discuss the potential benefits of the Internal Family Systems framework. We wrap up the episode with a thought-provoking discussion on the Enneagram and ponder the idea of a potential show switch with Liz to delve deeper into these themes. Be prepared for a thrilling ride entwined with candid conversations, enlightening discussions, and personal anecdotes that will leave you wanting more.
After Hours
Speaker 1After Hours . After Hours , after Hours . Hello and welcome to after hours .
Speaker 2Hello , hello , back again .
Speaker 1I love doing the like stupid radio voice .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , that's I mean . Apparently we both have that . I , I never thought that I had a radio voice . But same people keep every time I say I do a podcast and some people find out for the first time it happened in the pool the other day they're like , oh my god , yeah , that makes sense because you totally have a Radio voice . And I'm like , okay , cool .
Speaker 1Dude , I get that too . It's so weird . Well , alyssa's here hey .
Speaker 2Melissa . Hey , melissa , howdy , howdy . Yeah , I think that it's . It's funny , because I spent most of my life with a higher voice . I feel like , hmm , it's like somewhere in my and I always wanted to have a low voice , I wanted to be able to sing low and have a nice bass , and so , yeah , just like that , just like that , and somewhere in my 30s it all dropped and I got like much , much lower . So here we are .
Speaker 1So so they dropped in your 30s , huh .
Speaker 2Yeah , they Dr .
Speaker 1Well , at least it happened . At least it happened that's true . Yeah , All right well , welcome to after hours everyone . Um , I've got the fancy background this time , and now kody is . It's all dark and dreary .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , I mean the move . I mean we're beginning the moving process and I'm so sad about it because I don't want to admit , I don't want to lose this office . It's the perfect size , it was the perfect , everything . I loved , it , granted . My next office is actually going to be bigger , so it'll be nice , but it's a weird shape . So we'll see how it works .
Speaker 1It might be better for Reaver or echoes and stuff . Yeah symmetric yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , maybe . So I don't know , we'll see . What I don't know is that I don't know if my new I know that we're on the bottom floor , which is going to be so nice and , um , because of that , there's concrete floors , but I don't know if the bedrooms have concrete floors or if they are carpet . If they are Concrete floors and it will be much worse .
Speaker 1You know what I think ? I have a spare rug that we can use if we need .
Speaker 2Yeah , well , and I somebody told me recently there's that that um that outlet store , ollie's , that sells rugs super cheap . So I was like oh . And they were like , yeah , they're like surprisingly cheap . And I was like , well , if they're surprisingly cheap , I might hang them all . I might get a bunch and hang them on the walls , because they're great for soundproofing .
Speaker 1You can get some like moving blankets Relatively cheaply .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's . True , definitely could do that hang those up again . Yeah , it will make it work one way or another , at least a lot more space , so might work out better . Hey , and , and I can do that you know you always were mad that I did the the light octagon thing . I can size it around , doing it in the uh , that's filling the whole space in the middle so it doesn't drive you insane anymore .
Speaker 1Nice .
Speaker 2It's a little thing .
Speaker 1It's cody , it's a little things .
Speaker 2Yeah , for sure , cool . Well , um Red , yellow , green . You're gonna go first this time . Oh , I'm going first .
Speaker 1Yeah , shaking it up a bit , I'm gonna say green .
Speaker 2Well , you should be .
Speaker 1Yeah , I just got back from the beach .
Speaker 2That's , that's the hat . Yeah , rubbing in our faces .
Speaker 1Yeah , it was . It was nice . We Went down , took the kids . My sister actually came with us . Um , we will do . We decided to try , like bringing someone to help with the kids a bit so we could , uh , maybe have a little bit of actual vacation and rest . Yeah , um , we didn't , but it was still good . I gotta go , oh well .
Speaker 2Are you next time ?
Speaker 1Yeah , um .
Sleep Troubles and Beach Vacation
Speaker 1No , it was weird , like I guess it was the bed that I was sleeping on or we were all sleeping on , like I could not get actual rest and I couldn't breathe very well and I , um , you know , it was reminded me of um . So I wear this mouth guard at night that pulls my jaw forward to kind of keep my throat from collapsing , so that I can actually breathe at night and .
Speaker 1Before that I had a lot of trouble and your mouth closed also um , kind of sometimes my , my , my bottom jaw like slips out of it and then I'll . I think that's what was happening , but I don't , I don't know why it was happening so badly down there and I , like I , no matter how much I slept , I didn't feel like I got any rest for the first few days , so that that was hard , um , but it was great because , uh , we originally so we worked out this whole deal where my um , my sister's husband , his brother , had a house down there and we were going to go stay at that for like really cheap , and then that fell through last minute and then ended up staying at his aunt's condo instead . And that was like so much better because it was right on the beach . So we're like on the second floor , we just walk down the stairs , go out to the pool and then walk right to the beach , and it's like these little things that you don't really think about when you don't have little kids , but how much better the whole experience is like .
Speaker 1For example , when we were , we would take the kids to tibie island . The way that the beach is there on the south side , where we would stay , is there's . It's like it's a public beach , so there's public parking , so there's nothing that's like right on the beach . And then , um , so you have to like , and we wouldn't , you know , we would end up to try to save money being up like a block or two from the beach . Yeah , so then , uh , you know you have to walk down the street to get to the beach , um , but they didn't have any kind of like Foot washing station or anything .
Speaker 1Coming back and the sand off and it's like the kids don't have , like they don't uh , the , the , that that's the sensory experience of having like sand and the sandals they're trying to walk . So there's all this whole , but like walking back barefoot was also kind of problematic and so Especially when it was hot , like trying to walk on the asphalt , so it's just like this whole thing , and so every time we went to the beach there's meltdowns and and stuff like that , and uh and .
Speaker 1You don't really think , think about that kind of thing when you're , when you don't have small kids . But this , where we were staying um , right at the the gate coming out of the pool , there were two different stations and one of them had an actual like hose , and just being able to hose off the kids Really quick and then letting them go jump in the pool it was like amazing and like hosing off all the toys and the wagon and all that stuff .
Speaker 1Um , it just made like those , those kind of little things just make , uh , those little conveniences can make a big difference . And so we , um , we had a blast , like in the pool especially . We were there for two days , I think , and then we caught some of the weather from the hurricane that came through and so we had a really bad storm for like an hour , but then , uh , and then it was fine . But then we had crazy high surf , like eight foot waves , oh wow , and the uh , the actual like , and because this happened at the same time as the supermoon , and so it was like the tide came all like up , like up the beach , like 20 feet , like passers would normally come , and , and so that was crazy . So we had , um , double red flags for , uh , a couple of days as well , so we couldn't get in the water , but that created these little tide pools . So we went down and played in those .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1So that was fun . And then afterwards on our last full day there , uh , it went back to single red flag and the beach had basically gotten flattened out pretty much . So it wasn't much nicer like experience and stuff . And then they were crazy . They're still kind of crazy waves , and so trying to uh teach the kids uh boogie boarding with actual waves was also a fun experience , especially because our uh , our five-year-old poor kid , the first time he tried it the front of his board went straight down and he just like ate it oh , felt so bad for him .
Speaker 1But he tried it again after that I was really proud of him .
Speaker 2He took a break .
Speaker 1He's like I'm done , and then he was like actually I want to try again . So yeah that's good .
Speaker 2I like this um , you know , it's funny .
Speaker 1It . Is it a five thing to have sleep ? Issues are just a human .
Speaker 2Probably a human thing .
Speaker 1human thing um , but uh , but I do also have , I mean , I have sleep apnea , so it's kind of my guess is it's a it's a modern society eating really soft foods as a kid thing .
Speaker 2Really .
Speaker 1Yeah , there's . There's a lot of um interesting , uh , I'll say , research done about um like looking back and like our modern diet and the effect that it has on us , versus like um looking back at skeletal remains of you know , ancient , ancient remains and stuff , um , and just the way that the palate forms and stuff when you're eating harder foods as a kid .
Speaker 1And I think that that has a a bigger , has a profound effect on um like our nasal cavity development and the way that our throat develops and all of that and the way that our jaw sits and things like that .
Speaker 2So yeah , that would be .
Speaker 1I'm not saying that's the only reason , but , like I think that's a big part of it .
Speaker 2Yeah , well , okay , we'll get that . Having trouble sleeping , regular sleep hours Definitely an issue of mine . For sure . I'm a night person all the way , so definitely feel that one . Um , I think that . Um , yeah , because when you were talking about the , the mouth guard thing , I've kind of was like maybe I could do that and my c-pap and see how that goes , because just because I do feel like my jaw kind of goes back and that's part of the problem as to why my throat keeps just like collapsing in , uh , that'd be interesting though . You want to try that .
Speaker 1Yeah , I'm waking up in the morning though , because you can't like , your jaw is kind of stuck out a little bit and like for First hour or two you can't like it's like hurting like well at first , the first couple weeks it is . It's a little bit sore , but you can't like bite all the way down Because your teeth are aligned the way they normally are . I experienced that too when I had like retainers , when I had braces .
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't know if I could do that .
Speaker 1You can just do it . I don't even notice it now .
Speaker 2Uh , I tried um , I tried the mouth tape for a while .
Speaker 1How did ?
Speaker 2that work ? Um , it works really well , except that if you have a beard like I do right now , right , it doesn't really work . It would work with your level of beard but not with mine , and I didn't have a beard . But Madison wants me to have a beard for the wedding , so I've been growing it out so that we have options for the length , and also she really , really wants me to try to dye it and see what that looks like . So I was like , oh , die the beard .
Speaker 1I thought you . I thought you meant diet , I guess she really wants me to stop eating and see what that looks like .
Speaker 2She wants me to die . Die the beard , not diet . I mean , yeah , dieting I should be doing .
Speaker 1Probably should diet too , um , but uh , yeah , anyway , um so , all that to say , went to the beach , had a great time , and I'm green and you had a man some time off , like I had a . I'm plug , yeah ,
Playtime With Kids and Plumbing Troubles
Speaker 1yeah . And another thing that was on the episode and we talked about this in One of the episodes recorded for this season that's coming up , but it it took me a few days to like get into like a headspace where I could let myself really enjoy it .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Getting out of task mode and just sort of like getting into play mode .
Speaker 1Yeah , but I found that after we got back it was easier for me to get into that mode again , like most of the time , because we came back on Friday and it was a holiday weekend .
Speaker 1We had Saturday , sunday , monday and most of the time , like we just played Legos with the kids . And I've developed a technique that I think that helps me with that , because before I didn't really want to play because , like to me it was stressful to think , like think of things , because they would always ask me to build stuff for them and I'm like I've got to dig through this giant bin to find pieces , you know , and stuff like that . But what I started doing is I just pick a color and then I just pull out a bunch of pieces of that color and then I just see what my options are , in that you know one or two colors , depending on how many we have , yeah , and then I just start building with that and that actually is like really fun , because just there's something about the process of going through and just picking out the colors first that like engages my brain in the process .
Speaker 2Well , yeah , it's like you're like , you're like honing in on , like the task at hand , like you're like starting to , like you know , yeah .
Speaker 1And inevitably I'll come across a piece where I'm like , oh wait , actually this would work for this , and then I just start , you know , then it just starts building on itself . And so I made like I made several vehicles for them and it was really fun and it was good because they , you know , they need that time with me and I get a lot , a lot more of that kind of time with Amy and they don't get nearly enough of that time with me . And so it was it's good over the last few days to do that and kind of rest up from the , from the trip , although it's been a little bit stressful , because we got home Friday and we were cleaning up Friday night in the kitchen and all of a sudden water just starts like pouring out of the kitchen cabinet under the sink . Oh no , what the hell ? Yeah , and so we .
Speaker 1Part of what I negotiated when we moved into this place was I signed a longer lease in exchange for getting our landlord to install a garbage disposal in the kitchen sink . And the garbage disposal was fine , but in order to install it , it like brought the plumbing down too low to like connect to the like output from the wall , so they had to install a sump pump under the sink to like make sure that it pumps that water up and out , and I guess like three years of that and like like just gunk getting clogged up and then being out of town for a week and not using it Probably like dried up the gunk even more and just kind of clogged it . Then when you use it it like blew out of the it just started overflowing .
Speaker 1Yeah , it just like nasty nasty . Oh smells so bad .
Speaker 1It was so disgusting . But so like this was . This was like Friday night and so we like we use some old towels and kind of cleaned up under the sink , pull all the stuff out and I'm like I'm calling my landlord in the morning , I'm not dealing with this tonight , and so I called him and the plump , his plumber , was out of town for the holiday weekend so he couldn't come until Tuesday . So we didn't have a kitchen sink or dishwasher , because the dishwasher is hooked up through that as well for for the whole weekend . So that was a little problematic but we made it work and it was fine . But that's just the part of the chaos that's been happening lately .
Speaker 2Yeah , at least you're more well equipped . A little more energy in the tank to deal with it , I guess that's true . Yeah , yeah , it could have been worse it could have been the day before you left . Oh yeah , you know that's been really bad , cool . Well , that's good . I'm glad you had a good vacation . We haven't , really we haven't talked at all , really since you no , I feel like you and I like , especially during , like recording season .
Speaker 1we reserve conversations for this so that we have stuff to talk about .
Speaker 2It's true , yeah , yeah , we talk more on off season for sure . Yeah , yeah , we have talked . We haven't , and I actually have so many things to talk to you about that we can talk about live , if you want , about the podcast . It would be interesting and I can share
Stressful Moving and Busy Work Life
Speaker 2about therapy too .
Speaker 1I forgot to do that .
Speaker 2Oh yeah .
Speaker 1After hours , but before we do that , Regiella Green how you doing .
Speaker 2I'm going to say I'm yellow .
Speaker 2I'm not , definitely not red , but I'm not green either . So I I mean , like I said , we're moving and we're starting to the process of moving , which finding a new place was stressful , and then we found a place . It's , it's , it's cool , I guess . I mean it's it's owned by a man that I passionately despise , and so we'll see how it goes . He's a terrible , terrible um , I guess you'd call it landlord . He's not landlord . What is he ? I land owner , property owner , property owner Probably that's the one I was going for . I could not think of it , and so that's been . I'm I'm kind of dreading it a little . I need to just like stop thinking about it , because I've got plenty of other things to think about .
Speaker 1Like um well , we for what it's worth . We've known people who live there and , uh , they liked it . So , oh at that specific location .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's what everybody else keeps saying . They're like , actually that place is not bad because the place , the property owner's offices , are at that location , so it's a lot different . It's supposedly a lot different , um , but other than that they own like 18 properties just in town and only five people manage them . So it's a little if , if you were in another place , like if something broke , you were just like , well , I guess I'm going to do without that for a year . Um , so , uh , yeah , so , anyway , that's that's going on .
Speaker 2And then moving was not something that we thought we were going to be doing when I decided that I was going to start trying to raise money for , for new music and recording and then also getting married and also , uh , and getting married , and it's in a different location , plus bachelor trips and bachelorette trips and just all of the things , and so , um , and then I've also been playing a lot of gigs in the evenings during the week and on the weekends to try to also give towards this um music project myself , and then also lately just to make money , and so , uh , because I need it . And so , um , yeah , that's been a little stressful . My day job's been fine though , so , like , that's been a lot better . Like , in the sense of like , at least , not everything is stressful . Um , it's been stressful in its own way , but like , um , the nature of my job is that most days I'm pretty , it's pretty chill , just cause I'm going around seeing accounts and seeing what they need and put their orders in and just kind of managing .
Speaker 2But then , like , lately , we've had a lot of reps from our suppliers coming into town wanting to hit the market and and because in what we call industry , talk is O and D , so October , november , december , um , in O and D , they're not allowed to come to the cause it's going to be so busy , like , they're not allowed to come and ride , so they're trying to get on one in September trying to get all on September . All these people have been slacking and not not hitting their territories , all coming at the same time , and so I've had , and then like somebody was sick and other on our team and stuff , so I ended up getting like four ride , four ride , with four people riding with me at once , like one week after another , and so it was wrecking my weeks and that was making things a little stressful . Um , cause I was trying to get everybody's orders in and all that , and I've got like a bunch of people are opening new places , like there's a new ramen place opening downtown , that's yeah , I know .
Speaker 2I've been very excited to tell you about it . It's called attack of the Tatsu and um , it's a basic it's it's a ramen bar . It's also going to be a Japanese like whiskey , sake and Japanese beer bar . Where's this going ? In Uh Patten Parkway , so right beside little mama's sandwich shop and all that , Okay , yeah , yeah . So there it's where the old uh independent theater thing used to be a camera that was called the ?
Speaker 1uh , oh , I didn't know about that .
Speaker 2Yeah , it was like an indie film . Um , theater camera was called but um , but yeah , it was there and so , but it's kind of funny . Before that reason , I got to go in today . We did a whole Japanese whiskey tasting today um to see what they wanted . And so , uh , I got to see the place and , um , and it's in where the bar is , in the back , it's like basically soundproof , because that's where the theater was , and so they'd sprayed the ceiling black with all that foam like soundproof foam , and so it's real and I was like this is going to be great when there's people in here because it'll be really quiet always .
Speaker 2But they put , like you know , like the wooden slats up and from from the very front bar , where it's going to be like a ramen bar , like a classic , very small , like super quick service , you know , ramen bar . They're going to have those red lanterns hanging down everywhere with lights in them and then they go all the way through the hallway into the bar in the back . It's going to look really good .
Speaker 1I'm very excited when do they open ? Yeah , october .
Speaker 2Early October . Yeah , that's exciting . Yeah , I'm very , very excited .
Speaker 1Whenever you go for the first time .
Speaker 2Let me know . Oh , I will for sure . Yeah , I cannot wait . And they have like the where you build the screen in the front , where you build your own ramen yourself and and purchase it . It's going to be great , it's going to be so great . It's the same guy who owns Unknown Caller and Shades . So it's the same guy .
Speaker 1Oh , okay .
Speaker 2Cool , and since I have those accounts , of course I'm trying to get that account because it makes the most sense to stay in the family , um , but yeah , so you know , I've been doing a lot of that and honestly , like it's really crazy , I'm just better at this job this time around than I was last time . I'm better at managing time , and I mean , the jobs that I did in the tech industry were so much harder than anything I've ever done in terms of , like , trying to manage time and tasks . Task management was so insane that I really think that like I kind of rewired my brain a little during those times .
Speaker 1You were like I reached your threshold , so that I did yeah .
Speaker 2So , like this time around , I , I , it's weird , but I just I remember people's names . I remember people's orders when they send orders in which just reminded me I need to put an order in that somebody sent me while I was driving earlier .
Speaker 2Um and uh yeah , and so , uh , it's , it's kind of weird , it's just it's not nearly as bad , and also , like I get done earlier in the day , I didn't even start working today , really until noon , so it's like you know , it's most of my days don't start until 11 . Like , I can do some admin stuff and do stuff like that , and so , um , yeah , melissa , yeah , come visit .
Speaker 1Yeah , please come , and visit .
Speaker 2Yeah , we'll show you around . It'll be so fun . Anybody is welcome to come and visit . We would love to meet anybody in person , um , anyone from the community , just yeah , not anyone , only only people that are fine but listen to us talk , um , but uh , but yeah , and well , you know , and in between all of that , I've also been like I kind of mentioned , uh , been driving for Lyft and Uber again , um , for extra money , which has been honestly kind of great because it's it's it's exhausting , but it's also kind of like I don't know , it's almost like weirdly therapeutic and also like the way that they incentivize you with driving .
Speaker 2Now , it's kind of like a game . So I'm just like competitive with myself , trying to like figure out if you do so many streaks and so many areas . You get like bonus money on top of what you're getting paid , and so you try , you try to like compete with yourself a little bit , and it's kind of fun , um , but I mean , I I'm going to , um , the Moon River Festival this weekend and basically all of the money that I'm going to be spending is I made from just driving . So it'll be great , nice , so , so yeah , so yeah , we got Moon River this weekend , um , and so we're not going to get to pack or move this weekend and then next weekend . Next weekend is , uh , the time that I will basically get to move um on Friday and Saturday is the main packing days , um , at least . And then um . Then Sunday I'm going to the studio to record .
Speaker 1Um so . Mark , by the way , I can't , I can't come my brother's coming into town .
Speaker 2Does he want to come ? He just he want to come and hold the camera .
Speaker 1He's coming in . He's coming into town with his family , so we're going to .
Speaker 2You know , maybe he really wants to come in . Um , people need breaks from families , I don't know . Um anyway , um , well , that's sad Wait hold on ?
Speaker 1Is that wait ? Is that next weekend ?
Speaker 2Yeah , the 17th .
Speaker 1Maybe I'm getting my weekends mixed up . I'll , I'll confirm and see . Um , yeah , but I'm going to , but actually that I probably still can't come because I'm going to be out of town all next week again .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1And that's just probably too much . That's too much to do . I'm getting a little bit weary um , while the traveling that I've been doing and still have more trips coming up .
Speaker 2Yeah , I get it , I get it , yeah . So I got studio work on the 17th and then I guess I'll have to figure out how to film it myself . And then , um , and then , um , the next weekend I've got actual moving , like we're going to be moving into our place . Um , we can , we can be moved in on the 23rd , but on that day of the 23rd I'm also playing a house show to hopefully fingers crossed get the last like four or 500 bucks that I need to get fulfilled .
Speaker 2My goal it's like a campaign raising party and it's the only event that I still have planned . Um , so really needed to be successful . And , uh , then the next weekend's the bachelor trip , and then the next weekend after that is the one weekend we don't have anything , but three days after that weekend we go down to Florida to get married . So , yeah , it'll be busy one way or another , and so , yeah , it's . And then , like , you don't stop . Then the next weekend we have the party here for everybody who didn't get invited to the beach , and then , yeah , it's just , it never stops . And so we it was basically like a full on sprint until November and then , with throwing into moving , just really complicated things , we really hope and we have to figure out when to launch the season .
Speaker 1Yeah yeah , you wanted to talk about podcast stuff .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's a good segue . It's a good segue . Well , you know it's . I got another episode edited this past weekend , so we're now four episodes done , just needs music and responses . So , hey , so .
Speaker 1I just need to . I need to listen to them and refresh I think a little bit and then ask the responses and gather those up .
Speaker 2You're going to , you're going to lose your mind at how little edits there actually are , cause I , when I listened at 1.5 speed , I was so for everybody watching and listening
Speeding Up Editing and Planning Spinoff
Speaker 2. I , I , this season , I figured out how to speed up the , just the , the , the , the , the playback when I'm editing , and so I've been editing everything at 1.5 speed , which is it's interesting because I don't , I don't hear the gaps between words the way that I did before , so I don't obsess over them . And also , too , like I've realized , I've listened to other podcasts and sometimes the gaps are what makes things funnier or more like it's just , it's , it's kind of nice , and so there's entire . The last episode I just did , there were entire 25 minute gaps where I did not do any editing . Wow , let's , let's see if I didn't leave a hippopotamus in there . Yeah , we'll we'll see .
Speaker 1Yeah , I listened to everything at 2x except for the responses , so like when I'm listening back over it , you know , yeah , or anytime , anytime , like the music comes in . I'll make sure that I go to like normal speed so I can listen to that and get a feel for it and the responses and stuff , but when ? Because we already had the conversation . So I'm just kind of listening for content at that point , yeah .
Speaker 2Well , I'm hopefully listening for , if we , if I left something in there , right , exactly , I have been going back over the episodes and , because of the , the platform we use , I can type words and actually search words in the , in the script of it , and so I haven't missed any words that are any key keywords that mark when we need edited out . But yeah , so we've got one left right now we're we're in on yeah , good with politics , convenience versus connection , commitment , low fives . I still need to do the conspiracy theories episode , but yeah , so we've just got one , two , three , four , five left to schedule and two left to decide if we're going to record them or not . Okay , yeah , and so , and so it's , it's definitely it's , it's definitely it's helped me , though , like I , I edited just the audio of the , the conversation part of it , the of the last one , which I think was low fives did in like 45 , 50 minutes .
Speaker 1Melissa , the thing you're looking for here that he's talking about is we use this app called Descript .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1So basically what it does is it takes audio and video and transcribes it and then lets you edit that by editing the transcription .
Speaker 2Yeah , he uses like this crazy AI .
Speaker 1I don't do but yeah , right , but if you want to do it that way , you can .
Speaker 2Yeah , or you can do it , you can do it more traditionally , but either way , you have video , audio and the script all together at once and it just did it automatically for you . So it's really really nice . You can take out filler words and gaps and it's so fast it's , but it's life changing . It's the best thing I've ever seen for this kind of yeah , that's really nice , but yeah . So , anyway , definitely need to do music , we need to get responses in , so everybody listening get ready to answer some questions , because they're coming and yeah .
Speaker 1I can do that . I can do that this week and get that started at least .
Speaker 2Yeah , that'd be great . I've been holding off on all the music because I really want to see if I can . I'm hoping my computer is powerful enough to live stream music banking . I want to do it live . I think that'd be a really cool live stream .
Speaker 1You want to live stream music , so like making music for the episodes the episodes , just doing instrumental .
Speaker 2I think it'd be cool to like do it while sharing screen , but the issue is can it run live streaming software while running logic at the same time ? It can run the script and logic at the same time , so I'm thinking I've got it set up . I'm going to do a little bit of a test , but I really want to try to do it this this week maybe and see , because I'm going to have to work out . I need to make some music . I already made some music , so some of these already have music , but I just haven't put it in there yet . But yeah , so it's a whole thing . The thing that I was going to ask you about , though , or talk to you about what was it ? It's not related to this season .
Speaker 2I had a really good idea for a spinoff show . I don't know what to call it , but I think it'd be funny . You know how we've been talking about , how we want to do more . We want to do a show at some point in the future . That's kind of just like talking about things , but it's super low involvement and , in terms of prep , low prep , both of us always . This is going to be my , this is my , this is my pitch . Here we go , sales pitch , here it comes .
Enneagram Five Spinoff Show Possibilities
Speaker 2So both of us listen to and we consume a lot of like information in different forms all week , every week . So I thought about if we wanted to do an Enneagram five spinoff show , we could do take that idea of like life through the lens of a five and do like headlines through the lens of a five , and so everything that we listen to in different categories . So you could literally have different categories if you wanted to . So like you could do like headline news or politics or sports or entertainment , and like music , whatever you want , and we just it's literally just a starting point for conversation about it . And but with the things that things that I think would be funny , is like if we did sports like Madison was like why would you do sports Like any of your vibes don't typically like like sports stereotypically , and I was like that's true , but the things that we would pick out of a sport sport show or sports like article or something that would be so like not related to the game , would be really funny .
Speaker 2I think it would just be like a completely different conversation about different topics and so literally you could just like take your news app or whatever it is you consume with and just mark things for it , and so then we could literally , just like on notion or something , add to a rundown for each episode each week and then , when it gets time to like the day of the episode , we pick our top five things that we think are the the funniest or more , most interesting and just run with it and no prep , no practice , just go with it and hit record . Could be fun , and that way it'd be . It'd be really low be low edits , low everything , low production .
Speaker 1Yeah , we could , we could try , we could do a trial run on an after hours or something .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , we think for sure , but I would want to do it in person if we can , because it's just it better in person .
Speaker 1Yeah , but that makes it more complicated , like recording , Because here we have two cameras and we have the ability this is the thing if we want , we have the ability to record this view and then also record each of our individual views so that we can easily edit , switch between them if we need to .
Speaker 2Yeah , I know , it's just not the same though .
Speaker 1Plus sharing . I know I know Plus sharing screen , Like doing all of that in person , is a lot more complicated .
Speaker 2It's true . Yeah , like when I watch other shows that do this kind of thing , like they always have also a third person , some type of a producer , there to do the things .
Speaker 1So I don't know how you feel about this , but I've been thinking about this for a while .
Speaker 2Okay .
Speaker 1I want to start my own podcast and have you as my producer .
Speaker 2I'm down . I had somebody reach out to me to produce their podcast . I'm like let's do this . Please replace my podcast .
Speaker 1So like I want to do like a I don't know if you've ever watched like this was one called the Concrete podcast . He actually just switched it to his name , the Danny Jones podcast . There's that one specifically . Not like . I actually don't think he's that great of a host , necessarily , other than he does a good job of letting the guest talk , but he finds the most interesting guests . I don't know where he finds the some of these people , but he seems to like get them before they go on bigger shows .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1And he just has some of the most like really interesting conversations and like talking about anything from like UFOs to he interviewed the one of the guys I forget the name of the show , but there was a show Basically the guy who like left home right out of high school and went to go live in the Amazon and it almost you know and got obsessed with like anacondas and like to end up doing like some sort of discovery show on anacondas but like became famous for that . But he talks about what it was like to go and live in the jungle and come across uncontacted tribes and he says the scariest thing in the world and it was just like there was some of the most like fascinating conversations , like I want to talk to those kind of people .
Speaker 1Sure , and , and I want , but I need someone who can , like , help me , like source those people and prep for those , those conversations , and also , like produce the conversations , like while it's happening , making sure that all the audio is good and the the . I mean , I would love to do these things , these things , in person , but I think , like starting out would have to be more virtual , like this yeah .
Speaker 1But just like making sure , like handling the administrative part of it too , because I'm not good at that . Yeah , and I need , I need a producer , if you're interested in that kind of thing .
Speaker 1I'm definitely be interested in that way , that way , that way we don't have to . It's not on us to have any kind of topics prepared or have any kind of like or do any of that kind of prep work . It's just more . It's just sourcing guests and like finding interesting people and then maybe doing a little bit of research to to figure out how we want to frame the conversation and that sort of thing . Yeah , I would love to do that . I think that'd be so much fun .
Speaker 2That would be fun . Yeah , I'd love to listen to that podcast , so I definitely want to produce it .
Speaker 1I think I sent you one that was like hold on . It was the , the , the name of it . Hold on , I've got to find this because it's really funny man I sent to . I guess I sent it to you a while ago . Doing this live is probably not a good idea .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Let's talk about something else .
Speaker 2while I find this Well , I was going to say I , I do think that I want to . I want to figure out a show that we can keep doing together too . That's a spin . I found it . I found it .
Speaker 1The name the episode . The name of the episode was Psychonauts are now mapping hyperdimensional worlds with Andrew Gallimore and you , and you said what a headline .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's right . Hearing it again , I'm like what I saw , a really funny video the other day . I think it was on like TikTok or Instagram . It was like when you hear somebody like it was literally somebody , they were mocking podcasts and they were talking about like when you have like a , a tech like genius in quotes getting on and talking about nothing for a full three minutes , and it was like somebody got they she did this so well where she literally just made up words and talked for three minutes about nothing .
Speaker 2And I was like that's what , that's what that headline reminds me of . It was like it just sounds like something made up .
Speaker 1That dude . Did you ever listen to that ? Because you need to go . You need to go listen to that podcast . It was so good Okay .
Speaker 1It was it was about . It was about like it was a guy who , like researches I want to say he was like a chemist or a biologist or something like that but he did a bunch of research on psychoactive drugs and like in a clinical setting and how they affect people and basically studying the , the experiences that they have and realizing that they are all experiencing very , very similar things . And is this another realm that people are going to and what is in that realm ? And just just different things . It was really , really interesting .
Speaker 2Okay , when I send you stuff .
Speaker 1it's stuff I know that you'll love , so just so you're aware .
Speaker 2Now , just don't throw me for a loop . Yeah , no , I figure , I figure that I assume that , but it's , you know , we're always consuming so much shit all the time , you know . Yeah , I have no real excuse , though , because all I do is drive so I could be listening to it . I drive like 100 miles a day , it seems like between Lyft and Uber and my job , but yeah , that would be fun . Well , I don't know . I just think that , you know , I feel like there's there's there's options of what we can do moving forward , because , obviously , the any of our five podcasts will come to an eventual end when we run out of things to talk about and our we feel like we've said what we need to say . So I'm like thinking beyond that at this point and trying to think about what we want to do , and that might be easier than the conspiracy theories idea that I had .
Speaker 1It would be easier .
Speaker 2Because as much as I wanted .
Speaker 1I was not sure I wanted to do that . Like it took a . It took so much like mental exertion for me just to do the conspiracy theories episode that we did .
Speaker 1We didn't really get into specifics of different ones , so that's why I want to actually like I want to just interview people who are kind of more in that world , yeah , but I think that I like it's interesting how there's some podcasts that I watch where I'm like these are really interesting guests and the host is not that great . But , yeah , they've got a lot of views on this and I could do a better job with some of them . Some of them , I'm like this host is amazing . There's some people who are just really really good at it , and so I studied those people but I think I could take that , but they're usually in different genres and so I think I could take that and apply it more to the types of conversations that I want to have .
Speaker 2Yeah , for sure . Yeah , I think it'd be fun , for definitely I would . I would be into that . We should do it .
Speaker 1I can't remember what the other thing was that I was going to talk to you about with the podcast , but I know one thing that we talked about was starting to bring on some , some experts to do like different workshops for different things , like like virtual workshops for the community .
Speaker 2I remember what the thing was . Okay , so sorry you could finish your talk . Oh yeah .
Speaker 1So I was going to throw it out here is for anyone who's listening , like basically doing some paid but , like you know , not that expensive sort of like webinar style workshops where we can like one of the ideas we had and I don't know if we've actually talked to Sam about this or not the premium Sam , and to do like a relationships oriented one . We have a couple ideas for how we could something I think would be the community would love and get a lot out of , and then basically for anyone who didn't sign up , then if they want access later they could be part of the premium membership . So starting to create more of like a resource library and the premium membership so that there's more value there than just like the after hours stuff and the and any private conversations that we want to have in a smaller circle there . And because I that's sort of how I've always envisioned this like the longer term vision of the podcast and community is also bringing like create , because we wanted creating a body of work right , and that was the goal for the podcast itself is like creating this body of work , that sort of lives long term .
Speaker 1But also like we again we are not any of your experts or any kind of experts in anything other than like our lived experiences , and so wanting to bring in other people to create resources that are specific to any of your fives , and then having that resource , those resources , in some sort of resource library that's behind the paid membership . So then that funds the community , and so that's what . I probably shouldn't say this , but I'm like burning a hole right now , like bleeding , bleeding out , or however you whatever analogy you want to use of like what costs to do this versus like what we're making on it and which is which is fine for now , but long term , if we want this thing to kind of live on beyond you know I cast me on the podcast , whatever that looks like in the future .
Speaker 1We've got to set up some sort of you know , larger ecosystem and deliver more value with other things , and so that's the kind of the next step . I think for us and we've had this idea for a while and kind of thrown it around the timing is never really seemed right , with everything else going on , but I think that it makes sense after the season to start start making headway on that stuff .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , I would love .
Speaker 1I would love to you know , be able to put together over the course of the next year or two . You know of sizable library of resources that were created specifically for for Enneagram Fives . Like I think that would be amazing .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1And could really help a lot of people . So that's my goal for this .
Speaker 2And Fives by Nature should be interested in that I would think so , I would too . I kind of want to do it , just so we can do it and I can , we can have it .
Speaker 1Dude . Everything we do is like , also selfishly motivated , oh for sure .
Speaker 2For wanting to have it for myself . So , speaking of , that's actually a good segue into the other thing that I was going to say is bringing value to the the paid membership side of things . So our , our , our paid members , I think it would be . What do you think about this ? We , we , we have not utilized the videos the way that we should have thus far . Sure , I think it would be really funny and entertaining , I should say , because it can be both helpful and enlightening and also entertaining To just post the videos of the episodes on the paid membership .
Speaker 1Like the unedited videos .
Speaker 2Oh no . I think because think about , like , if you were watching a podcast or listening to a podcast and then you paid for it and found out that , like you get to see the behind the scenes of the episode , I think that would be . I mean , we , I could , if I . The other version of that is that I edit out the the parts where we we cut hippopotamus . We'd say hippopotamus , but how funny would it be that every paid member understands our hippopotamus joke .
Speaker 1I , I , yeah , I , I mean I I kind of like the idea in theory , but I also know that we have never I don't know what conversations we've had I mean , I'll listen to her , sometimes Like blindly .
Speaker 2Oh , okay , yeah , okay , actually , I mean I
Video Recording and Therapy Journey
Speaker 2know .
Speaker 1Yeah , honestly , like we we got to figure out what to do with the video and the other thing that's like upsetting about that is like the first season , maybe even the second season too like we had so many issues with actually recording video that we don't have video for like half of that stuff . Yeah , or like the I mean it's like recorded at like 360 by 240 resolution .
Speaker 2Yeah , the student platform we use . Well , and I think that I mean we , if we , if we wanted to put them out there , we could go retroactively after the season , the new season , because the new season we have video for all , but what one episode all but one episode , because it crashed .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , but now we're doing it differently , so hopefully I won't repeat the mistake that I made on the last episode . Luckily , I had the audio in the video and I just synced it together . I don't know if I remember that whole thing and so . But yeah , recording it locally might work , but yeah , I just think it would be , it would be fun to do and it would be something out there , because I'm what I'm wanting to do is take the videos and start making social media content anyway . So , like I'm going to have a separate composition just for social media stuff . Probably , I mean , I won't have to with some of the new episodes because I , like I said , I have 20 minute blocks where I didn't edit anything . So you know we it's easy to cut that out and just make social media .
Speaker 1Hey , I was doing this , if you wouldn't mind . Putting in chapter markers would also be helpful , like really chapter markers . Yeah , you can do that in Descript and then it ends up . Those chapter markers get exported audio and video . So if we wanted to upload to bus sprout or to YouTube those chapters get included so that's cool . Yeah .
Speaker 2Okay , I'll learn , I'll learn how to use chapter markers and then try to do that . I mean , like I said , these are still all in edit mode , so I can still . I can still do that pretty easily .
Speaker 1Switching gears a little bit , because we're coming up on the hour here . Yeah , probably everybody's tired of hearing us talk about podcast Anyway we , so I started going back to therapy , actually went back the yeah , right , yeah morning , the morning of our last after hours , and completely forgot to talk about it after hours .
Speaker 1Yeah , and I haven't , because I've been traveling and stuff , I haven't had a chance to go back . I'll go back week after next in person . Yeah , it's in person . That was one of the things is like . I have to go in person . I . All I do all day is talk to people virtually .
Speaker 2Oh yeah .
Speaker 1And I have to get out of the house , I have to go see someone in person and have that like high fidelity interaction , be able to re body language and all that stuff . So I found someone locally it was . It was . It was hard to find someone who seemed like they would be a good fit . He wasn't like overtly religious .
Speaker 2Right .
Speaker 1And and one of the things that I appreciated on this intake form was basically like do you want to talk about religion , like something along those lines ? Right . And I put like no aside from the the trauma that it caused me , my childhood , yeah , and so it was yeah .
Speaker 1With everything that's been going on with me , which you'll hear about in the season , I just realized that there I needed , I needed someone to kind of help me navigate some of this stuff and and unpack some things that I know they're probably there , that I just don't , I'm not fully conscious of , and and , really , like I , I just I have a sense that there is , there's a new phase coming for me at some point in the not too distant future .
Speaker 2And I don't .
Speaker 1I don't know what that is . Last time I felt this way , I ended up leaving my job and starting my own business , and I don't want to do that again , necessarily .
Speaker 1No because I'm good where I am . But I just I just get the sense that , like , my 40s are going to be very different than my 30s , and so I I feel like I need to prepare for whatever's coming next . I get ahead of it this time and that's just sort of like , intuitively , the sense that I get , and that's a big part of why I'm doing this too . So , yeah , it was and it was . I mean , I don't , I don't know yet how I feel about the person , mainly just because , like one , I know there are three and and so I don't know how , like I I'm staying open minded and just kind of seeing where things go and not trying to over orchestrate things .
Discussion on Therapy and Podcast Content
Speaker 1And , like , one of the things that he told me is he uses the internal family systems framework and he was telling me a little bit about it . He said you know , you can go look it up on how it works and all that stuff if you want . And I said I'm going to not do that , Because if I do that I'm going to go down a rabbit hole and I'm going to learn a bunch about it , and then I'm going to anytime we get together and we have this like meta analysis that's happening of how you're implementing it , and like and basically like analyze , overanalyzing all of this , rather than like being in the moment and , like you know , just experiencing and talking and getting the stuff out and so he's like you know what fair enough .
Speaker 2And it's good . Yeah , stay away from it actually , but he's .
Speaker 1but he's also very experienced with the Enneagram and that was one of the things that I saw on the website and so I figured at least we have that framework to kind of work from . And he seemed impressed with our podcast . I told him about it . He's like I'm gonna go check that out . He's like I'm gonna go check that out . Yeah , so we'll see , we , only we only one session , so it was very intro stuff .
Speaker 2But sure , if you told him to listen to the podcast , you can have a head start .
Speaker 1I know I was gonna , I was gonna say something like that , but I also like I think that we probably just need to talk about it rather than him .
Speaker 2Sure , yeah , definitely no .
Speaker 1Yeah , because that way I know what context he has already you know , rather than yeah , gas based on he's sure to . Yeah , I wasn't serious , but yeah , I know , I know .
Speaker 2I think that I mean it's . It's crazy how much I need to . Now that I have good insurance , I need to get back into therapy and go back to my therapist because she was really good and I loved , loved her a lot , loved working with her .
Speaker 1I was going to say , I was thinking what . I don't know if we do it this season or next season , but what if we recorded a podcast about therapy and we've talked about it at different times ? We've talked about different times like the you know our experiences with it . But I think , having an episode where we like go more in depth and because I have , I have varying and conflicting thoughts and feelings about it and especially after having , you know , getting back into it now , I'm curious to see how my experience now is versus how it was back then . But I'd also also would really be interested in hearing from the community and getting some of those responses to yeah , yeah , for sure , and honestly you say you want to do it this season or next .
Speaker 1Why didn't you hear that this season ?
Speaker 2I think I think it fits with everything that we've done , I mean , this whole season . We've kind of gone like gone off the rails and like done some crazy shit . So like I think that I think it fits a lot with kind of the we've had . You know , there's like this underlying subconscious theme that we have given this season , I think , where it's like we dug a lot deeper than we have in the first three seasons , which says a lot . But I just feel like we really uncovered some things . We really went into like the depths of our own like personal , therapeutic conversations with each other and for each other and for you know in , about each other and in our lives , and I think that this season is a good place for that episode and might even be a good episode . I don't know if you'd want to do this . We had an episode scheduled for Liz . It might be a good one to switch .
Speaker 1Maybe I don't know . Yeah , we can , we can figure it out .
Speaker 2Yeah , cause I wanted to do the one that we had scheduled with Liz , but I don't know I've been just thinking about it in the last couple of days how that conversation is really going to go and like , and I would like , I wish that we could have somebody else on the podcast . I had somebody in mind that I would like to have on the podcast , but now I can't find them online , so I don't know where they went and so , um , so yeah , I don't know , we might hold off on that episode and , like , shelve it for now and see , see , see if it comes back out later . But that might be a really good one to have with Liz , cause she can answer some questions about therapy if we wanted to . And we could even do like a A and B conversation , which we've never really done , where we have a conversation just us and then transition into a conversation with her later . We could do . There's a lot of ways we could do it and it could be fun .
Speaker 1Yeah , we kind of did that , but it ended up making it two different episodes with the um like death and grief .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I mean I think we're going to have room because I don't know if the other two we need to talk about it , but there's two episodes on the on the docket that I don't know will happen .
Speaker 1All right , I'll have to . I'll have to take a look and see .
Speaker 2Yeah , no , look at it , it's updated . Okay , cool Anyway . Um , hey , thanks for everybody for hanging out .
Speaker 1Yeah , thanks for coming out . Um , we'll keep you posted on everything that's going on and our crazy schedules , and I don't know when the season is going to launch , but I promise you it'll happen sometime this year .
Speaker 2It's going to be soon . I mean we can launch soon . I think I would . I really , really would love to get all the episodes recorded and maybe even mostly edited before we launch , because I would love to , just like I want to be able to focus on social media this season and really like have a better social media presence , and so , um , and in order to do that I can't be editing episodes- every week .
Speaker 2So yeah , but I'm I'm well ahead of any time that I've ever done the last three seasons . So , um , have done , we're way ahead . So it just doesn't feel like that to any of the listeners because we basically got almost a year of that . I promise we're working though , working hard .
Speaker 1All right , thanks everybody .
Speaker 2And until next time .