After Thoughts
After Thoughts
After Thoughts: On The Spectrum
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[A.I. Generated] Ever faced the challenge of editing your own voice, scrutinizing the rawness of your personal experiences? That's the vulnerability I grappled with in our latest episode, and it was no less daunting than the first time I hit record. Delving into the art of podcast production, we marveled at the journey our show has taken, now enhanced with a melodic flair. Sam, our cherished guest, joined us once again, offering a tantalizing hint at a greater role in future episodes with her profound insights as a female Enneagram Type Five.
This episode unfurls the enigmatic tapestry of intuition, especially as it resonates with analytical minds like ours. I confess my reservations about social media, even as our posts about intuition struck a chord with our audience, prompting us to muse over the blend of instinct, experience, and knowledge that intuition embodies. For Type Fives, could this be our superpower? Stay tuned for a dedicated exploration into this captivating subject that promises to intrigue and enlighten.
Sharing laughs and life's awkward moments, we touch on the delicate dance of living with Asperger's Syndrome. From the nuanced challenges of communication to the critical importance of self-awareness in emotional processing, I peel back the layers of my personal strategies for social harmony. And in true spirit of spontaneity, we wrap up with an amusing tale about the unexpected honesty behind a run-of-the-mill excuse — a lighthearted reminder that sometimes, life's simplest truths make the most compelling stories. Join us for this intimate blend of introspection, giggles, and genuine connection. Good night, everybody.
Reflections on Episode and Community
Speaker 1All right Afterthoughts .
Speaker 2Here we are .
Speaker 1Cody , how did you feel having an episode dedicated almost entirely to your state of being ?
Speaker 2It's really great that you asked me that . First , because I was thinking about it a lot today , knowing that at the time we're recording this it's the day before , so we recorded this on Monday and all day today I just kept thinking about how much I hated trying to edit this episode because I was listening it . I didn't and then , and the thing is , I didn't really edit anything out because I couldn't listen to it . I just stopped listening because I was like I can't listen to me talk about myself , like it makes me so uncomfortable . Um , so not great to answer your question , oh , yeah , so you'll notice .
Speaker 1I think we were just we were talking earlier . There's a lot more ums and stuff from me in there , because normally cody pulls those out and makes me sound more eloquent than I actually am . Yeah , yeah . But he's just stopped editing this episode , apparently .
Speaker 2We've officially gone too long , michelle Fly , for how much I care about , production is going down , it's going out . Yeah , no , well , I think the music's gotten better though .
Speaker 1Oh , yeah , definitely .
Speaker 2So I feel like I've redirected my attention to the things that I care about Honestly yeah , I mean ums aside I thought this was a pretty great episode .
Speaker 1Oh , I loved it .
Speaker 2Yeah , it was fun listening back on it and , yeah , it was nice to not have to edit . Honestly , we were just kind of like in that conversation and it was a great format for that the way that we did it , and it was always good having Sam back , so I would like for her to be part of all conversations .
Speaker 1I emailed her today after listening to it and was like I sent her the list of what we were thinking about for season five and I said basically I copied Cody on it . I was like , basically here's what we're thinking . Whatever you want to be involved in , we'd love to have you . And she came back with just like one or two and I just emailed her back a few minutes ago . I was like no , you don't understand . I'd like for you to be in at least half of these .
Speaker 2Like maybe eventually take over .
Speaker 1We'll just leave Our our job here is done . Yeah , we're just , we're just uh we're working in our replacements eventually .
Speaker 2Uh no , I mean yeah , it's like I feel like conversations that we have specifically with her I mean with all the guests we've had have been great , but , um , having her as like that female five perspective has been really interesting and definitely opens up for a lot more conversations in the future . So , yeah , I mean overall I liked this episode . I don't it's hard for me again because I didn't really listen to it as intently as I do the other episodes because of how uncomfortable it made me , but I and it's the first time I was thinking about this too it's the first time I felt this uncomfortable , like since season one . Really , it was that kind of like triggering uh discomfort , like I was just like I have shared too much .
Speaker 2What have I done ? Um , and then so I hit finish , publish , bye-bye . I can't , I can't think about it anymore . It'll I'll be accidentally , oh sorry , just like somehow it got deleted . I don't know what happened . Uh , one less episode this season , uh . But yeah , I think that I think what we set out to accomplish hopefully it happened . If there's anybody out there that in our community and people who listen , who are on the spectrum , I hope that it's a helpful episode and makes you feel maybe less isolated .
Speaker 1I love how we started the episode with yeah , there's no real research on this and we don't really know the answer and we didn't really get anywhere , but we at least explored .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's more explored , yeah yeah for sure , especially from your perspective , like trying to ask me questions . Just I think , because , like I know for the whole , the whole time , you're so hesitant about ever doing this conversation because you were like I don't really know what to talk about with this , like it doesn't , and so you kind of sitting into that interviewer seat . I think worked out really well and it was great because , I mean , I would imagine , as a listener it would be interesting because , as fives , we always want to be the interviewer . Interesting because we're as fives , we always want to be the interviewer , like , we always want to like start asking questions , not know where the conversation's going , but then just have the freedom to direct the conversation in the ways you want it to go , because of whatever interests you and , um , I don't know if we've ever , like , really done that , like really like went down that format . This was further than normal , I thought , though , at least from my perspective , it felt that way because I was the one being interviewed . But yeah , right .
Speaker 1Well , we did . The is Cody , a sociopath episode , but that wasn't quite to that extent we did the parenting episode which where you kind of interviewed me to a degree , but that also was earlier on .
Speaker 2Yeah , it would be very different . Now , yeah , I mean in content , but also in the way that I would interview you . It would be a lot different , yeah .
Speaker 1No , and actually I do want to do a follow-up to that episode in the next couple seasons , because I have a lot to say .
Speaker 2What would we call it Still parenting ? Pretty much Any conversation that we go and revisit .
Speaker 1pretty much any , any conversation that we go and revisit it , just but still before , the same name still being with a five yeah , that's .
Speaker 2That's pretty great . I've seen a lot of uh on just sidebarring now , but like I've seen a lot of people talking in the community this season about like real shit and I've I thought that's been really cool . Yeah , to see like people talking about relationship issues and trying to get like feedback and advice from other fives like I love to see that I was . I have not participated in it , but it's fun to read . I'm just excited that there's a place for people to do that and feel comfortable doing that , so that that's kind of fun yeah , I love it too .
Speaker 1The interesting thing too about the community is I think that it's one of the few communities where like lurking is okay because we're fives , because if you look at the , if you look at the analytics , there are a lot more people logging in and reading things and there are people engaging with things . And there are people engaging with things , yeah , and maybe that's normal , I don't know , but I feel like it's also probably because fives they want to observe the conversation and then we internalize it , like process it internally yeah , without actively participating , right ?
Speaker 2yeah , yeah , I mean , that's what I do and I really shouldn't . This is our show , but yeah . Just know that I read most of your comments for everybody . That's right , and I read most of them .
Speaker 1I post , yeah , I when I have the bandwidth , I get in there and actually , yeah , respond and stuff yeah . I've just not had the bandwidth lately . Yeah , I'm trying to get back into that point because I , uh , I one , I enjoy it , and um two , like you know , I want to . You know , there I feel like there's this sort of tipping point where , if we get enough momentum , like this community is sort of self-sustaining yeah but I think that there's a lot of work to do to kind of get in there and get the conversations going on a regular basis .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Which I'm happy to do and I want to do . It's just I've just not been able to . I started and then work got crazy and stuff .
Speaker 2Right .
Speaker 1That's my goal . For once we kind of get this . My goal is like once we get the season finished up , um then I can divert that energy that I'm doing for for this into yeah , into that stuff , and we got a a fun event coming up with Sam that's true , Um which we haven't made an announcement about yet , but I guess I can go ahead and talk about it a bit .
Speaker 2Yeah , why not ? It's exclusive to just the five people that listen to this episode . You guys got to hear it first .
Speaker 1I'm going to have been meaning to post a poll in the community just to kind of read the room on how interested people would be in this , but I think they'll be really interested because I'm really interested , like , I asked her to do this because I wanted to do it , yeah , um , but essentially Sam's going to come on and do a paid online workshop and at a reasonable price , um , because I want to make sure she is paid for her time , right , and uh , we're going to .
Discussing Intuition and Podcast Planning
Speaker 1So it's going to be probably about an hour's worth of content , followed by 30 to 45 minutes of q a , and I think we're aiming for mid-may to do this . We'll start promoting it , um , here in a couple weeks , I think , but she's going to put together a presentation um , talking about , um , the uh , the marketing E title that chat GPT came up with is the secrets of connection , and I kind of like it , just because yeah , it's not bad .
Speaker 1Cause it's . It's a little cheesy but it's also like uh , provocative , but uh , essentially . Essentially she's going to talk through how to like strategize connecting with each Enneagram type , but as a five , so it's content specifically for fives , from a five , about how to connect with all nine Enneagram types and how to foster relationships and go deeper on connection in spite of our fiveness . Yeah , or how to use our fiveness as a strength in those situations with each type , and so I'm really excited about that . I think that'll be really good .
Speaker 1And that's just like the first step in our grander vision of like . I want to do more of these types of things , hopefully .
Speaker 2Yeah , let's see how this one goes . Yeah , all right , let's not get ahead of ourselves .
Speaker 1I'm fully confident she's going to do a great job . Yeah , I am less confident in my skills to promote it and get people to come to it , which is a little anxiety-inducing , that's probably true . Oh , thanks no .
Speaker 2I mean not probably true , what an asshole . I guess I'm saying I relate Like I can't . It's probably true that it will be very hard to want to market it . That's what I'm trying to say , oh man .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's true , you do suck at all that stuff .
Speaker 2Well , I just also know that you have such a hatred of social media generally .
Speaker 1Yeah , I do , although I've been really enjoying doing social media for us and one of the things that just kind of sidetracking again one of the things that I found really interesting . So one of the topics I wrote several posts around was intuition and the responses I've got on that surprised me Really . Yeah , I don't know why , because I value intuition . Yeah , but I think that even I was caught up in the stereotype that if I started talking about intuition it wouldn't be well-received . But it's one of the most engaging topics of the ones that we've done so far .
Speaker 1People have been commenting on those posts the most about intuition , about , basically , there's the myth that fives can't be intuitive because we're too logical . And then I asked the most recent one . I asked if people , if people valued intuition in their decision-making process . And unanimously , so many people have been commenting on those posts and like , yes , intuition is very important , or I highly value it , or all this stuff . And I just thought it was really interesting because I wouldn't have guessed that out of the topics we've talked about so far , that that was the one that would resonate with people the most Well , I mean mean thinking about it .
Speaker 2I feel like that I've kind of always valued pretty highly the , the sense of intuition that I've had in my life , in the sense that even if it is like particularly analytical , it's more from a logical standpoint a lot of the time I don't think of . I actually think that we I mean we do feel intuition , obviously , as all humans do , because there's always this sense of like survival . I'm sure there's like all these things about us that still stem back to like when we were out in the wild , surviving like . Here's this I'm sidebarring my sidebar um , did you know that this human body can actually feel when someone's looking at you from any direction ?
Speaker 2oh yeah , how is that not intuition ? You know what I mean . Like I think it's like it's biological a lot .
Speaker 2It's our latent psychic abilities yeah , whereas like but I think that is as fives , we constantly take in information and we're constantly processing that information in the background , right , like just kind of constantly running that program . And what is intuition other than like a mixture of like ? Is intuition other than like a mixture of like survival instinct and experience and knowledge ? You put those things together and some people can do it quicker than others and some people can do it more effectively than others .
Speaker 1But yeah , I , yeah , and I think it's . You know , I think it's also a it's . Now I'm talking about this in real time . Maybe we should save this for the actual episode , because we're doing an episode on this next season . Oh , because , specifically because , yeah , because of the response we've gotten , but I there's a part of it too that I feel like intuition is it's your body directly interfacing with your unconscious mind , and I think that's why , as fives , it's almost mysterious , because we're so out of touch with our bodies . Oh , yeah , so it feels more like magic to us . Yeah , it feels a lot more like magic , like it's somehow more special or something .
Speaker 2Yeah , that makes sense for sure . Yeah , I like that , so that's probably why everybody's more into it , though Maybe Because it's like I could see fives being actually more into intuition than others because of how much of a mystery it is to us . How does that happen ?
Speaker 1So , then , developing intuition feels more like developing a superpower for us .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Oh , there's our frame for the episode . There you go , this is how we do this , folks . Although we usually don't talk about it beforehand .
Speaker 2No , if we do it in real time as we're having the conversation . Yeah , I wonder how much it would affect the conversation if we did just casually talk about it months before and lose that glimpse of some kind of idea of things percolating .
Speaker 1So this season is going to be an interesting experiment . We're done talking about on the spectrum . We're just going to talk about the behind the scenes of the podcast at this point . Yeah , this season is going to be an interesting experiment because we already have , because of what I'm doing , for all of our social content , where I'm doing a lot of Cody keeps looking at me because I keep accidentally bumping this mic cable and I think that he's going to like tear my head off . I do it another time .
Speaker 2Yeah , every time you do it I'm like my brain only for like a fraction of a second goes fucking hell , and then I move on . I can see it in your face . I just look screaming profanity for like a split second and then we move on . That's kind of about on the spectrum . There we go .
Speaker 1And we come full circle . We're back . So I'm using ChatGPT to just do like initial research on different topics , to kind of give me a starting place , and so we will go into the , and then I've built this like really awesome notion set , like notion databases and stuff to tie it all together . So now that we've already planned the what we're going to do for the season , I'm going to get started on all of the topic research and start writing social posts for it season . I'm going to get started on all of the topic research and start writing social posts for it . So I'll actually already come into the conversation , having had like done the research , written content and , uh , done like seeing how people respond to those posts on social and maybe even in the community , and and so we'll actually have a lot more content to talk about probably . So then not only will we be able to , I think it's going to help us , because it will help us remember things from our own stories .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's probably true .
Speaker 1And prompt us , I think , a lot better than normally , because sometimes we have to really search hard for things and then we get talking and then , and then they come up like the end of the conversation , but it takes us like an hour and a half to get there um and and and then , uh , so we'll have that going into the season , and so I'm just really curious to see if there's a noticeable difference in how these conversations go yeah , definitely .
Speaker 2Maybe we can also get ahead of getting responses . Represents episodes too . Yeah , that's a good point . Yeah , it could be part of your research . Just ask the questions and get them and record them .
Speaker 1Dude that's how I did these last few , because I'm like , how do I ask the question for like on the spectrum , and so I was like hey , chat .
Speaker 1GPT . I want to ask a group of fives about this topic how , how do I do that ? And it would just give me . It gave me like a bunch of questions and I picked one that was kind of in the ballpark and then I had to refine it . But yeah , but yeah , it just took the grunt work out of the initial thing . So once my brain starts going , I'm like , oh yeah , this is what I can do , and then I'm like off to the races .
Speaker 1But that helps me get over that hump of procrastination yeah , that's really what I use it for , it's to hack my brain to get over . Yeah , procrastination , yeah you .
Speaker 2You should probably stop talking about how much you use chat gpt . People are gonna be like so nothing at Josiah ever says is actually for his own brain .
Speaker 2Well , that's not true , because the uh , I really only use it for the Prompting , prompting yeah , yeah , I tried to do that in music and all I came up with was a song about getting high , which actually turned out not too bad . I could see it being like a bar song . I could definitely sing along bar song . But yeah , probably won't do that again , not until it's smarter and can think abstractly .
Speaker 1Yeah , then what do we need humans for ? That's true . What do we need humans for ?
Speaker 2Oh no , it's in your brain .
Speaker 1You've actually downloaded chat GBT to your own brain .
Speaker 2Yeah , so yeah , spectrum , you've actually downloaded chat gbt to your own brain . Yeah , so yeah , spectrum . Uh , I don't , yeah , I don't really know I I I should have listened to the episode more . I felt like I said I covered a lot of things , though I mean , there's always stuff that comes up every day just about where I'm like oh , cody , your tism's getting bad today .
Speaker 2I went to a birthday trip a few weekends ago where everybody the theme was that everybody gets somebody else a trucker hat . They can say whatever you think it should say on the hat , okay , and you give them to give it to them when you get there . It's my favorite . I'm not not much for themes , as you might gather .
Speaker 2Um , as a five , I don't like parties , of course . I'm not like a themed party . It's like , oh , now I have to work for this , but uh . But this one was pretty great and so I like we had one guy in the group who works at a church and is in the Southern Baptist denomination , so I got him a hat that says power bottoms for Jesus and they had to wear them all out in public while we were out there and then somebody got me one that said Rhythm with the Tism . She had it custom made and so , yeah , the word Tism's been on my brain a lot lately , but it's funny that , like everybody knows , I didn't think it was that obvious , but I don't talk about it with everybody do you have times where , like even when we're hanging out where you notice that you're doing something that's especially aspie and then you don't say anything about it ?
Navigating Asperger's and Communication
Speaker 2um , because I'll be , probably I'll be honest , like I forget all the time , yeah , that you have asperger's , yeah well , that's because you know me right like a well enough , you know , like I have to remind myself like that's the thing . No , that's true , it's definitely not like . It's not like me with my brother , where I'm like I have to constantly be like not thinking about it sometimes I don't know what I was trying to say there Like it's just more obvious in the way that he talks and communicates . I can just always tell , and so it's a little different in that regard . But I mean it's more like in the habitual things that I do . I think it shows up more because I wasn't sure I had pretty much ruled out that I didn't have OCD , because it's not like I necessarily think that like the world's going to end if I don't like flip this light switch off and on or something , that's like it's a particular , it's just a different way of thinking about it and so in the way that it affects you , for me it's more like if I don't , you know , turn this shampoo bottle the way that I like it , then like I will hate myself , like it's more of it's more like smaller and more like affecting me specifically , not like I think something bad is going to happen or anything like that . So I there's just the way that I went about it and the way that it spread , spreads through my life . It's it wasn't really like an OCD thing and then , like , definitely affects my emotions but like , so I didn't have I thought I had bipolar disorder . That was ruled out quickly . I think I talked about that in the episode and so like .
Speaker 2It's weird for me because most of the time it's stuff like the way that I communicate or the way that I process things when someone says something , and so like communication in general can be kind of tough . I have to , like , remind myself to feel empathy for others , and I think that that has a lot to do with Asperger's not being a sociopath or anything like that and that made a lot more sense to me because I started thinking about how , like , especially as I've gotten older and a lot more like , a lot more comfortable with my feelings and allowing myself to feel things I know that it isn't that I don't feel anything . It's that I didn't know how to attribute feelings to certain situations or people or things or whatever . There was a disconnect there and so like . And also like , sometimes shit just annoys me , like if somebody cries , cries , I fucking hate it and it's like immediately all of my empathy like drains out of my body . It depends on what it is , but like generally I I was always such an asshole in my relationships in the past .
Speaker 2As soon as they started crying , I stopped caring . It was like a switch flipped in my brain . That's like no more feeling in the past . As soon as they started crying , I stopped caring . It was like a switch flipped in my brain . That's like no more feeling . You are now dead inside and so like that's something . That's definitely kind of funny , I guess , and sad . But I have to remind myself in those situations like hey , don't be the way you think you want to be . It's not going to help anything , or you . But so I think a lot of it is in the way I communicate and the way that I think about things make is like the older I get and didn't know that I had that the more I've figured out ways of internalizing it and letting it be more of an inner narrative and less than like an outward expression , and so I think that that's why you wouldn't notice , because I noticed it first and I've already filtered it out , and tried to compensate because I noticed it first and I've already filtered it out and tried to compensate .
Speaker 1That makes sense , though , because there's some times when you pause .
Speaker 2Yeah , processing .
Speaker 1And I'm like I expect a reaction here , but I'm not quite sure which one I'm going to get .
Speaker 2You mentioned that in the episode .
Speaker 1Yeah , but I've been paying more attention since we talked about it . That's true , yeah , yeah , yeah , for sure .
Speaker 2And sometimes , like I , I respond way too literally , so literal , in fact , that even if I'm kidding , people are like I'm joking , I'm .
Speaker 1I am too .
Speaker 2But sometimes I do respond literally and I'm not joking and that definitely , like my brain is just like stop talking , stop talking , you're showing them too much tism . Yeah , no , it's like . I think it does show up in those ways . For sure . I think that I would love to think of an example of something that you've done or said that forced me to internalize and process before responding , because it's kind of strange , when I say it out loud , it sounds so much more calculated than the way that I . It's more intuitive . Truly , I just don't really think about it , but it's like all these internal mechanisms are going at the same time and it makes me feel like I don't know it's it's . It kind of like pulls me out of the situation for a minute but then like I'm back into it and I'm just saying whatever I thought . Well , most of the time I'm filtering out really blunt comments , which is really funny because I'm pretty blunt anyway . No , like God , what is he filtering ?
Speaker 1out really blunt comments , which is really funny , because I'm pretty blunt anyway . No , like God , what does he ?
Speaker 2filter it out . I say the things that I think sometimes here on this podcast , um , for the sake of entertainment's value , I guess . But like , uh , cause I mean sometimes I just say shit and it's I'm yeah , I've got definitely gotten myself in trouble , like in work situations . Sometimes I'm a little too blunt and too intense about whatever it is I'm saying and I can watch people's faces harden as I'm saying something and I'm like , yeah , I've gone too far . At least I can recognize it . I guess that's a step . I used to not be able to recognize other people's reactions to things or like , feel the room , you know , which I think probably fives can relate to in general , but I've got two layers of of , uh , dysfunctionality going on so yesterday we went to go see dune 2 .
Speaker 2Oh yeah .
Speaker 1We wanted to see it at the IMAX , mm-hmm , and the only time we could see it was 10 am on a Sunday .
Speaker 2Honestly , it was pretty great though .
Speaker 1It was really great To see a movie that long .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's better to see it in the morning yeah .
Speaker 1But I told you to call me when you were on your way .
Speaker 2Yeah , how did you feel about that ? I mean , the only thing that I felt about it was like that's a really nice idea , but I'm probably not going to , I'll probably forget , okay .
Speaker 1So I'm going somewhere with this which is then you call me when you're on your way and for everyone listening . Cody lives like five minutes from me now . Yeah , um , and he was coming to pick me up and uh , hope you're not going where I think you're going then I call , then you . So you called me . Yeah , oh , I don't know if I'm going where you think I'm going and said you're on your way , and then hung up and then a few minutes went by , like at least five minutes went by .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1And I called you . What .
Speaker 2Did you ?
Speaker 1Yeah , you don't remember this . No , oh , okay . Well then , maybe this is definitely not where you thought it was going then .
Speaker 2No .
Speaker 1Oh Now , I was curious because I wondered how you would react when I called you , because I knew that you didn't know why I was calling you and I thought maybe you would be annoyed that I was calling you when I told you to call me and you're .
Speaker 2You thought about this this much .
Speaker 1No , I was just thinking about it now . No , in the moment I was calling you , I was like oh , I wonder what Cody thinks of me calling him right now . Oh yeah , because I know you hate talking on the phone .
Speaker 2Yeah , definitely .
Speaker 1Yeah , and so yeah , I guess there's nowhere . I'm going with this now , because apparently you don't remember this happening , but I called you what did I say ?
Speaker 2what are we talking about ? I called you to ask .
Speaker 1I wasn't really awake yet oh okay , well , then that makes more sense , because when you first answered you sounded super annoyed and then I was like I was like cody , do you want a protein bar ? And then you sounded really happy . It took you a second to process it and then you're like oh yeah , how thoughtful .
Speaker 2I'd like one of those yeah , I think you're probably just . I was probably just sleepy and like not quite awake yet , because that would have been the first thing I probably said that morning because madison wasn't up yet .
Speaker 1Oh , okay , she slept in that night
Unexpected Poop Excuse
Speaker 1. Where did you think I was going with this ?
Speaker 2Where did you think I was ?
Speaker 1Oh , I don't know . I'm really curious to hear this .
Speaker 2I thought somehow you were going to get to the story where I explained that I was late because I was pooping . No , I forgot about that , Damn it . And you were like wow , I was expecting this whole , like elaborate excuse and I was like when have I ever done that ?
Speaker 1And that's a wrap .
Speaker 2Is that really ?
Speaker 1a wrap ? Yeah , I mean , I guess . So All right , All right , good night everybody .
Speaker 2Bye-bye , good night , good night , good night everybody , wherever you are .