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After Thoughts: Intuition
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Hey everyone, we're back with another After Thoughts episode—this time unpacking our conversation on intuition. This one takes some turns...
We get into how our Five wings shape the way we approach intuition, with Josiah leaning more into the mystical side while Cody stays grounded in practicality. That leads us into a discussion on how our worldviews have shifted over time, especially in relation to religion, belief, and questioning what’s "real."
Somehow, we also end up talking about remote viewing, telepathic kids, quantum entanglement, and whether intuition is just a hidden ability we’ve ignored. Plus, there's a completely ridiculous moment where we somehow guess each other’s thoughts—twice in a row.
If you've ever wondered whether intuition is legit or just pattern-seeking run amok, this episode might give you something new to think about. Or at the very least, you’ll get to hear us blow our own minds in real time.
Introduction to Intuition Edition
Speaker 1And we're live , and we're live . Well , live to us . Yeah , welcome to Afterthoughts .
Speaker 3Hello everybody .
Speaker 1This is the intuition edition . Yeah , yes , it is . So . I listened through the episode today this is the night before it comes out yeah , and I sounded about as batshit crazy as I thought I would , which was good , I was on par yeah , I have thoughts .
Speaker 3I was . I listened to it recently also because the way that we're doing it with the new format , you know , I we ask for the response as we do it , so it's like I , I edit the . The final edit gets done a lot sooner to like , or more , it's a lot closer to the release day .
Speaker 3So I actually I've listened to this episode too um , we can have a real conversation about it yeah , you know , sometimes , though , I think it works out that I haven't listened to it , because then it's like new thoughts about that topic instead of just remembering what we talked about before . But I did come to an interesting realization because of this episode . I've never been able to like put it into words the differences between you and I in like certain ways that we think about things . But I now understand it like cause I've been like kind of framing it in my mind for a while and thinking about like how , how differently we approach things and intuition is actually a really great topic because of where you took this episode . This is a great topic to bring this up .
Speaker 3So , um , I think that it's a really . I think it's . What's interesting about this conversation is how our wings play a part in this conversation . For me , because I was you know , I think it was something you shared with me recently about about the wings and how they , how they kind of show up in our lives , and I don't think I responded to it , but I was like , wow , that was really accurate , and then I just kind of moved on , right .
Speaker 3As I do 90% of the stuff that I send you . Yeah , as I do , and I'm awful at texting back , and the more people in the group text , the worse I am at texting back .
Speaker 1Well , what's funny , though , is like you respond way more often when Amy posts something than when I post something Really .
Speaker 3Yes , maybe it's because I never talked to her and that might be what it is . I never see her anymore , but anyway I was . I was thinking about this in terms of like when I was listening to it I was having fresh thoughts about intuition . And then , kind of like listening to our old conversation through that lens a little bit , and it kind of made me realize , because five wing force tend to be a lot more like like lean into the mystical side of things and like more or mythical , whatever you want to say . I mean it just I feel like it kind of leans to that , whereas uh , five wing six tends to be more like grounded in practicality and like what you can see in front of your face yeah and that so perfectly represents how I was in Christianity .
Speaker 3I never , I never believed in speaking in tongues , like I never believed in like all the stuff , and even the idea of believing in God seemed a ludicrous idea to me , like the whole time I was a Christian . So some people might say I never was a Christian because of that , but I was . I was definitely a doubter and churches don't like doubters but I was thinking about that and even back then , because my mind went back to the episode where we had our friends on and we did the Friends of Fives episode , yes , which hasn't come out yet . Oh , you're right . Well , it's a great thanks for that . Well , here's a little sneak peek .
Speaker 3There were things that were said . We talk about our growing up and stuff , right with yeah , because your your friend that's on that episode was with you since high school and so , um , and he got to see a version of you . That to me makes sense because you were so like in the religious thing , right , like you like really believed that you were very like evangelical or like . I don't know if we're more evangelical or Pentecostal , I don't really know .
Speaker 1Um it charismatic ? Yeah , it went . It went from one end to the other . Cause because when I grew up in West Virginia and like my dad , well , he grew up like backwoods Methodist and then when he was 30 , he went to some rally in DC and came back like full back , like full blown Pentecostal , like charismatic Pentecostal , and started one of those kinds of churches . So that's what I actually grew up in .
Speaker 3Oh yeah , okay , initially Okay , and so yeah .
Speaker 1And that . So that's my , my background . And then when I , when I moved to Gallatin , where Brendan and I met um , it was the first time we really went to a non charismatic church . It was just like a independent Baptist church , interesting and I went . We went there because
Five Wings and Different Ways of Thinking
Speaker 1one , it was at the end of our street , so it's like two minutes away , sure . And two , I had a crush on a girl who went there and that's why I asked my parents to go try it .
Speaker 3Yeah , that tracks . That's usually how that goes . Yeah , um , well , it Well . It kind of makes sense then that you would go off the deep end of batshit crazy . And I'm like trying to be the five in my mind , the five in the room , right , like okay , but is any of this tested ? Like you're just making this up out of thin air ? And when I got to that part of the conversation , it solidified it in my head , looking back on it and kind of reflecting our differences . In pretty much any conversation we ever have about anything , it's like it tends to be .
Speaker 1like you're in the ethereal up here and I'm like down here on the ground . You actually , you asked me that question a lot of like . Who else says you know , like , where does this come from ? Like who else has said this you ? Know it feels like I tend to be more internally referenced versus externally referenced because what does that mean ?
Speaker 3What do you mean by that ?
Speaker 1It wasn't always this way , but especially in the last few years I have weighted my own individual experience and intuition much more heavily when it comes to trying to figure out what reality is , yeah and um , just because I , I feel like it when you , when you approach everything the way that we tend to with logic , um , there's a bit of self deception in that . I think , um , because there it , everything that you do is is always through a lens of experience , first , and , and you cannot view things , uh , absent of your life experiences . That's the way our brain works , is that we have , it's a filter , and it takes all of our past experiences and it tries to take in new information and make predictions about that , based off of everything that is known , to start to try to figure out things that are unknown . And I think that in the past , when I have discounted my own experience , my own intuition , I ended up getting really out of alignment . And then , over time I think this is what I was trying to get to in this , in this episode was , over time , when I've , as I've , started to lean into it more and experiment and like , actually run little experiments and and , and the model that I tried to describe in this was just a model that helps me , helps me sort of conceptualize the mechanics of it , which , which , which . Then , well , if I can conceptualize the mechanics of it , then I can figure out how to gamify it Right and which lets me run experiments , and and in doing so , then I can validate or invalidate hypotheses and I can figure out , like , to what degree I can like is there any accuracy in that ?
Speaker 1And then that , over time , increases my confidence in my own experience , in my own intuition , and that's what I've been doing for the last few years and that's why like to the outside . If you don't , if you don't understand , like that's my process and you know . And like , and I because we haven't really talked about this much yeah , and like looking out or looking in , it seems like I am kind of like often the ethereal , but there's actually a pretty rigorous , like almost scientific process in a lot of it , but I just don't talk about it really . Yeah , because I don't even recognize that I'm doing it half the time until I like stop , I'm like , oh , yes , yes , this is what I'm doing . I remember how we got off on that tangent . What were you gonna say ?
Speaker 3well , I mean no , it's not really a tangent this is it is kind of what we're talking about .
Speaker 1I feel like yeah , I mean internally reference versus externally reference .
Speaker 3That's why we got off on that , yeah yeah , well , it's like you know , it's like science is based on this idea of peer review and being able to prove or disprove things . I guess mostly disproving is the way I understand it At least it's how my brother described it , and so for me it's like an example is like somebody's worldview can be insanely close minded if they just base all experience on their experience , which I would assume would be internally referenced in that context . Right , internal reference ? Is that how you're defining it ? Um ?
Speaker 1it depends on how that worldview was , was created . So if , like , you have a worldview that was handed to you and that you never questioned and you never tested , then that's almost purely like externally referenced , like worldview that you've adopted . It's , it's , it's all like . This goes back to our um , our conspiracy theory episode , where basically the premise was that it matters are much less like what you believe in it , more like how you believe . What you believe and and and that's what I'm much more interested in is like the how , uh , and that's why I I kind of made the case in that episode to believe more conspiracy theories , because the more that you do , the more that it . It gets you comfortable and , kind of like , takes away the power of that fear of being seen as incompetent , which is actually the thing that . That keeps you stuck , that keeps you from figuring out , getting closer to truth .
Speaker 3Hmm , Okay , but I mean saying like you're going to have to explain the difference between how and what , because like sounds like semantics to me , Cause like you believe in , you believe what you're going to believe , and the
Internal vs External Reference Points
Speaker 3how of it seems like secondary to the what , because if the what is really dangerous belief , then the how doesn't matter to me . So like that's , that's what it sounds like to me .
Speaker 1Right , okay , so I , I think that when you it , it comes to a . I think that when you it , it comes to a . I'm trying to think about how to explain this best . Like I , I can have a belief that all bald people are evil , right , and that all bald people are evil , right , and there could be different ways . There are different ways to kind of come to that belief right .
Speaker 1One is I grew up having this taught as a dogmatic belief , right , that I never questioned and and and then and , because that when you're , you know , up until you're like seven or eight years old , like you , you , cognitively , you just accept new information that comes in and that forms your , your belief system .
Speaker 1Um , you don't really have the ability to really question things in the way that you can as your brain develops and later , later , ages , right , and so that's why so much of who we are is formed in those first seven years . Yeah and uh , and so there's uh in that . Then if you , if you haven't questioned it , then you are unaware of all the ways that it can , it can , like , affect your decision-making . You're unaware like , and it becomes this thing that is part of your identity , that you have to , you feel like you have to protect Right Now . If I somehow went through the process of evaluate , like interviewing a bunch of bald people and formed my you know later in my life and and came to the conclusion that bald people are evil , through a course of doing 100 interviews or spending 100 hours with you , cody , then uh and like that's something that I , I , I came to it could be a belief that I have , but but it's , it's held differently , right , it's , it's .
Speaker 1it's held not from a place of identity , but from more of a um , a position that I've , I've , I've , I've stepped into , but it's still .
Speaker 1But it's open to new information and so I'm not going to be as dogmatic about it . I'm not more , I'm much less likely to do things like attack you for it , because I'm still open to it . So that's , this is what I'm saying . Like it's the same belief , but it's how one , how it was developed , and two , it's like how you um , like how you hold that belief , and making in that episode was that the the first one is a method for breaking that is is like if you had , if you grew up believing just one conspiracy theory , go start believing a bunch of other conspiracy theories , but actually do it in a way where you start to run into contradict , contradicting ones , right , and then that that helps you , um , that helps you go through that process of being okay with letting go of that identity , um , and not not tying your beliefs to your identity , right , and that . I guess that's kind of what I meant does that make sense ?
Speaker 1I think so yeah , like if you're a flat earther , you should try to prove that the earth is round yeah , and actually , like , I mean , that's a great example , like go both ways , like this is one of the things that , um , that you've probably heard me say before . Like if you , if you can't steal man , the other side of the argument that you're holding , you don't actually have an opinion .
Speaker 1You have talking points that you were handed right right , consciously or unconsciously yeah and so anytime I am , I am like I find myself in that place where I'm like , okay , this , this is a strong opinion that I have . I do my best to try to steel man the other side of it , and then that at least helps me self-evaluate . Is this something that , uh , that I started to believe as a result of just like propaganda , that is unconscious , sure , or is it actually something that that has legs to it , that , um , that when I try to the steel man the other side of it , you know that it still holds all right , and so I'm like constantly doing , doing that more like where I I went through , I don't do that as much now , like in terms of spending a lot of cognitive processing on it , because I've , uh , I've gotten to a better place , like where I don't need to do that , because you quit your job and you have better things to do with your mind , right well that's part of it .
Speaker 1But , like a lot of a lot of the um , I've already gone through a , a metamorphosis , you know , in like the 2021 , 2022 , yeah frame where I I like my entire worldview was turned upside down for like the third or fourth time in my life and and in that I had to go . I had to go through that process of questioning everything all over again and so coming out on the other side now I have a different worldview and I came to that in a different way and so at least right now , I'm not doing a ton of that because of that .
Speaker 3And also because I'm doing things that are productive externally , yeah , and it takes a lot of intuition to be able to sort through that . And we're back on topic yeah , it does affect intuition . I was thinking about that in terms of for before we go too far , I just have to say , like one of my favorite pastimes when I'm feeling like I need some type of vindication in the world , especially right now , I there's nothing I love more than watching videos of people trying to run scientific experiments proving flat earth and then proving that it's round , it's one of my favorite videos .
Speaker 1I love those videos . That documentary on Netflix was pretty great .
Speaker 3I don't think I saw a documentary . I've seen the clips that I've watched on YouTube . Might've been from the documentary , so good . Anyway , all that to say , but I was listening to the you know editing the the responses and stuff , and it was interesting for me to also hear , like you know , just when people are talking , you can kind of hear kind of the background they're coming from right and you can hear the different kind of viewpoints . And hearing the wings , just like when I was identifying our wings , it was easier for me to identify . Can't be . But when someone , when a five , talks about something as intangible as intuition and trying to make sense of it , you can really hear the difference in perspective there and I thought that was kind of nice because it's very evenly represented in this episode . I love all the responses that we've been getting .
Speaker 1Yeah , the last two episodes have been killer .
Speaker 3I mean the last , what was the first Anxiety , the anxiety episode . Some of those responses were almost tear jerking for me . I was like man , these are like . I hope that we've played a part in all of you guys opening up even more as fives , because I was really impressed .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's my favorite part of the episodes by far .
Speaker 3Yeah , it is me too . Yeah , and it's cool that I think , because we get more of them , I can make them more . Of the episode which I think we've had feedback , people have liked that and liked it having longer . For me , it was when I , when we first started doing it , I felt like it was going to be , like there was . I was worried about it being too long , right , and like too much of a break from the regular conversation . But if it's longer than it becomes more a part of the conversation and it kind of does the opposite effect , which I like .
Speaker 1it's cool , yeah yeah , for sure , um , I , you know , I kind of going back to what I was saying , the the reason why that this has been actually that whole . This whole episode was really interesting timing because last week and I shared a little , a little bit about this in the community , but last week , uh , I was doing my , I am doing working with the author coach , right , and I wasn't going to say anything , that I was writing another you know book manuscript , um , but I just felt like I had to share based on what happened . But I , he , it's just it's a small group . So there are three or three or four of us going through this process in a small group like cohort um , working with him , and he has this uh process that he takes you through and in the beginning is like not writing at all , it's actually drawing and , uh , and it's trying to keep like put off the putting off the left brain and interfering for as long as possible in the process .
Speaker 1And this , this approach that I took this time , was so different than the last time I did this . The last time I did it , I already had formed like I'd done .
Speaker 1I'd done a lot of mental processing yeah and analyzing , and I had formed a narrative in my head already , and so , as I was drawing things , I was really just illustrating the , the structure I had already built in my head , and so I came into it with a preconceived notion of what it should be . And , um , and unsurprisingly , I , you know , I wrote a 50,000 word manuscript and it was garbage because , like it was just , it didn't , it didn't make sense , like there was no good like cohesive , trying to make it something I was trying to make it something .
Speaker 1But I didn't actually know what I needed to be right because I didn't do the work of that discovery yeah , I mean .
Speaker 1I did to an extent , but but I didn't get know what I needed to be because I didn't do the work of that discovery . I mean , I did to an extent , but I didn't get far enough with it because I didn't approach it the way that I approached it . This time I'm like the reason . Like last time , it was like I had this narrative I had to get out of me and that's why I did it . This time it was I just went through a transformation and I still haven't made sense of a lot of it , and and I got invited to do this and normally I would say no because I have so much other stuff going on , but intuitively I felt like no , this is an opportunity that's arising at this time for a specific reason , this is something that you want to say yes to , and so I said yes to it , and I'm like I don't even know what I would write a book about right now . Yeah .
Speaker 1It's like that's , this is the hard thing , and so , like I , I sat down into this exercise and I just let myself let things come out , yeah , without trying to make sense of them , right In the moment , and , and in the moment , and , and what I drew on on the paper , I'm like I don't , I don't want to talk about half the stuff , like at this point . Okay , just like I , this isn't something that I would want to , like , it feels so vulnerable . Um , for me like to to try to even go through a process of writing about some of the stuff , because , because I haven't done that mental processing and got it to a point where it's like it's through the filter , where I sure you know it can make sense of it .
Speaker 1I can come across looking like I know what I'm talking
Mechanics of Intuition and Personal Transformation
Speaker 1about .
Speaker 3Yeah , control it .
Speaker 1Yeah and um , one of the things that I had drawn on there was that , um , that illustration of what I kind of tried to describe in the episode um , but it has since like fleshed it out more and I drew it when you and I were hanging out with with our friend the other night , like I'd drawn it in his notebook , um , and and it's basically like where truth meets time and um , and it was it's like trying to take that 2d representation to make it 3d and how what that process actually looks like and and so , for whatever reason , that was what was coming out . So I just I drew that , I drew some other stuff and um , and I'm like I really hope he doesn't ask me about this and sure enough he asked me about it and uh , and like I tried to explain it and all this stuff . Is this in a group setting ?
Speaker 1yeah wow and um , and I'm like I . I feel very vulnerable because , like I don't like I I don't know why this is coming up and he's like , he's like , but that is actually like a perfect signal for um , to to like , press in yeah and and and ask , like , what is it about this that is significant for you ? Yeah , like what's resonating ?
Speaker 1right now what's resonating , and and , and when was the first time in your life when , when you know this , that you started feeling this way ? And yeah , and , and what are the things that that held us back before ? And just all this , and that's just .
Speaker 1I'm like I'm starting to cry like damn it , like every time he makes me cry , yeah , um , just be , because , like there's something there and I don't know what it is , and uh , and it scares the hell out of me because I'm like I don't want to do this in real time you know , in a group and like you know it , it it feels very , very vulnerable , um , but , but it all had to do with this , um , there's just something about this , this concept , uh , there's model of time , uh , and and and an intuition that just keeps coming up for me , and I think a big part of that is that it's a it played a major role in , over the last few years , me rediscovering myself , and that's that's a big part of the significance for me is that , because I I started , I started listening to my intuition , and I did it when , when the stakes were high , when , like the whole world was was trying to demonize me for the choices I was making , and and I was like I , I get it , I , but , but something's off here and I need to , I need to trust myself , and it was really fucking hard , but I did it anyway , and then , and then , through that , I started to learn who I am and went on this path of self-discovery that led to me healing trauma and led to me uncovering that inner creator and reconnecting with that part of myself that I thought had died , and so it's a weird roundabout way to get there .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's a weird roundabout way to get there , yeah , but as I was going through this , I'm realizing oh , that's why this stuff , just that's why I keep getting like I'm obsessed with these ideas . Yeah , my , it's like expanding my model of reality in a way that also um for lack of a better word like expands me spiritually , yeah , or like my consciousness level .
Speaker 1Okay , to the point where I am I , I see things from a different perspective , and that's that's what I was trying to . I think trying to explain before is like you know , when we say , now and we think of it as a dot , it's a very small now , but if you think of it as a as if , because we're looking at it in 2d , right , and that's when I started trying to draw the gradient but if you think about it not as a dot , but you think about in 3d , as a sphere , right , and , and so what now is it's like me , and now it it's . It's , you know , if it expands out in the horizontal , it's , it's time . If it expands in the vertical , it's like , it's like truth , that's , and and that's or for lack of a better word like my , my experience with like me , it's like because that's the only thing that I can actually validate is my own experience , like all the rest of this could be a simulation , right .
Speaker 1The only thing that I know of is like I'm experiencing something right .
Speaker 1That's the only thing that I can confirm .
Speaker 1And so that's why intuition is so important , because if you convince yourself that you can't trust that , or you let others convince that you can't trust that , then that severely hampers your ability to discover who you are and to step into your power .
Speaker 1And that sounds really woo-woo but like yes , king , but like , yes , king , but I mean that in a very like real , tangible way , because I felt for a long time in my life , I felt very powerless and I felt very at the mercy of my circumstances . Sure , and , and you know , over the last 10 years , but the last two or three years especially , I've been been , I've been like taking the reins of my own life and and , and I would not have had the confidence to do that if I hadn't validated over and over that I can trust my intuition , even when the world and all logic in the moment is telling me that I'm wrong . Yeah , and then I end up being right , right , it all , it all ends up working sure and aligns and and , and that's actually like why I'm here right now , doing this full time right now , is because I I listened to my intuition . My intuition last fall , um fall and changed jobs and then got laid off .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1But got laid off in a different way than I would have gotten laid off in my last job , that's true , yeah , and like a much better situation yeah . And it all comes back to actually one very specific decision where I had filled out like 93 applications yeah , and I'd even actually applied to the job through the proper application portal and then didn't hear anything from any of those jobs . Like it's the weirdest thing , because I know my resume is at least good enough to have a phone conversation . Yeah , like a phone screen .
Speaker 1But then the recruiter for this job , uh , post I because I had I'd send him a connection request . He didn't accept it , but I was following him because of it and he posted about the job again and posted this little graphic and at the bottom it it said you know , apply through the website or , you know , send me an email here . I'm like I had that like intuitive , you know , that intuitive zap of like you should email . And then immediately my analytical brain was like I'm not going to email him , I've already applied through the website , like I'm just going to be , you know , bugging him or like , you know , it's just kind of right . And then , and then I stopped and I started to scroll and I was like wait , hold on . That was my intuition , it's going to take me like a couple of minutes , I'm just going to do it .
Speaker 1And so I sent him an email , attached my resume , and said , hey , you know I applied to so and so , but I saw your post and you know , here's like three bullet points on why I'm a perfect fit for this . Let me know if you're interested . And he responded within like 20 minutes and I we had a , an interview for the next day and then , like two days later , I was talking with the ceo of the company and then , like the next week , I was doing the next interview and it was like fast-tracked , it was like a two-week process , yeah , to get like from initial touch point all the way through , it was like that's crazy yeah you know , and and if I hadn't listened to my intuition , that wouldn't have happened and I would have been in a very different situation that that would have been a bit much , much less obvious to me that I , that it was the universe saying , okay , now's the time to do like , be a creator full-time .
Speaker 1And I'm not saying that it wouldn't have happened . But I wouldn't have learned sort of the same lessons that I had learned , not just this , but other things I had learned in that process , if I hadn't listened to my intuition on that and a few other things last fall . And so it's just , it's really interesting how that starts to play out when you , when you're operating from this place and again , you know , the one of my new favorite phrases is like all models are wrong , some models are useful , right , and I'm not even saying that like the , the model that I'm trying to describe is reality yeah , it doesn't matter if it is or not , because it's a model that I'm using that is useful to me right now yeah
Speaker 1and it's helping me . If I wasn't using this model , I would miss these like little synchronicities , and it's because it's training my mind to be more aware of my present moment and the things around me and look for signals . And when I find them , then I start to recognize patterns and it's just , it's really interesting where before I think the patterns were there , I just couldn't see them because I wasn't paying attention . But now that I'm paying more attention I'm starting to see more and really little like little weird things are happening so like , what do you mean by patterns ?
Speaker 1so , did I tell you the story about the shopping cart and the ice ?
Speaker 3No , it sounds like a really great sermon title .
Speaker 1Oh , yeah , I , I thought I had . I thought I think I was going to tell this story .
The Shopping Cart and Ice Story
Speaker 1I don't remember when we actually recorded the intuition episode . It might've happened after that .
Speaker 1Yeah , Um , so I'd been cold plunging and at this point I I bought a cold plunge to try at the house and I wanted to go get ice for it . It was on like a Saturday and I had been kind of wrestling with a pretty significant life decision for a while . And this is one of those things where it's like it's a big decision and my intuition is telling me one direction , but I really want to go the other direction because it's it . It will make my life so much more simple and easy and , at least temporarily , enjoyable yeah and I'm like I really wanted to figure out , like , how I can prove my intuition wrong .
Speaker 1And I had I had all but like made the decision that I was going to go in the opposite direction . And uh , and then saturday , this saturday morning , I woke up with like an ocular migraine , okay , and it was like behind my left eye felt like someone was stabbing me . Yeah , been there and it was awful . And I , um , I went in , I went in my office and , um , did some self-hypnosis to try to like , uh , see if I could get , like , through relaxation or whatever , I could kind of alleviate some of the stuff . And I went into it with the intention of like , okay , rather than trying to fix it , I'm going to just let myself be curious and and , and , like you know , observe and you know , let myself feel it and just see what you know , see if that helps me kind of move through it , rather than .
Speaker 3Yeah , it's very Buddhist , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1And so I did that and a very weird thing came from it , where , as soon as I went into that state , I had this intuitive it sounds so strange to say this out loud this intuitive sense that some myself from the future , or my higher self seeing the future was trying to get my attention , okay and uh , and that it was very important that I listened to my intuition in this decision and I wasn't even like I didn't go into this process even thinking about that decision , but it all just kind of came to me of like this pain is to try to get my attention so that I don't make this decision the wrong way and I'm like what the fuck ? Like that's just like a , that's a , like I'm uncomfortable , yeah with this right way out there I'm uncomfortable with this .
Speaker 1But you know what I said . I'm going to be open and I'm just like , okay , let's , let's assume this is true for a little bit . All right , um , you , um , you know , uh , let's roll with it , let's see what happens . Okay , and and I'm like , okay , well then , I , you know , I will , um , I , I will stay true to my intuition . I will not make this decision . Uh , I don't want to say what the decision is . I'll , I'll tell , make this decision . I don't want to say what the decision is . I'll tell you off air , but I will .
Speaker 1And then , within I think part of the reason why I'm so uncomfortable with this is because it sounds very similar to how I grew up religiously .
Speaker 3Yeah , and I , I don't like that .
Speaker 1Yeah , um super mystical yeah but like there's all this sort of like uh , religious dogma , that was wrapped around , sure around it that that I don't I I just don't let's , you know , subscribe to anymore , and so it's hard to have this conversation and and talk about these things without that coming up for me internally . Um , and then and this was true then as well , when I was experiencing this so I I'm like , okay , I'm going to just practice listening to my intuition , um , you know , and maybe that will help me feel more confident in trusting it in this big decision . And so I did that . And then , like an hour went by and it was shortly after the migraine started to alleviate .
Speaker 1I'm like , ok , I want to try out this new cold plunge that I got . I'm going to go get some ice for it . And there are two stores near my house there's the Food City and then there's Publix . And I got an ice from Food City before , so I knew what the price was and and and so I I'm trying to remember this now . This is okay . So I I think what happened was I in , I , intuitively , was going to go to , or I was just kind of like out of habit , going to go to food City first , yeah , and then I was like I wonder what the price is of ice at Publix .
Speaker 1And so I decided to go to Publix first , and in that I that's what it was . It was I was listening I had this little intuitive sense of like go to Publix . I didn't know why I'm like I'm just going to . I didn't know why I'm like I'm just gonna be . You know , I'm gonna see what the price of the ice is yeah so I go to publics and I'm taking way too long to tell the story , I feel like , and then uh I I start to go in and I notice , um , but at the entrance , uh kind of over off to the side , there's um a guy in a wheelchair .
Speaker 1He's like a youngish guy , he's probably like in his 30s . Um , he has a dog and he is um like creating , like drawing and painting watercolors , um for money .
Speaker 1And and I had this , uh , this intuitive sense of like I need to go talk to him , but I didn't want to do that yeah , so I just went in the store , right , and uh , and I went and checked the ice and it was like twice as expensive at publics , of course , um , and so then I came back out and started walking to the car , and then it was like , go talk to him , damn it . And and so I went and talked and and all all this too is like very from like , similar to like feeling like you're hearing the Holy Spirit talk .
Speaker 3This is another reason why this is so hard . I've always said , even when I was in Christianity I was . I said that you know into you , know God's God speaking to you might just be your own intuition . I've always considered that , like it's just you , you know our intuition . Anyway , go on , I go on .
Speaker 1I'll say this yeah , so , uh , I , I , um , so I go , I go talk to him , and the whole time too , it's like I'm trying to make sense of it yeah you know .
Speaker 1So I'm like I'm looking for , like , what profound revelation am I going to get from all this stuff ? Yeah , uh , and of course it doesn't come . But I go and I talk to him and he has a um , like this really cool , like sort of abstract um , uh , I guess it was a print of a , of a drawing that he did of downtown with , like the aquarium and the bridge and stuff , um , and I really liked it . It was like 20 bucks . I'm like , yeah , I'll , you know , I'll , I'll send him a vinmo or whatever and this . Anyways , this whole process like took a few minutes and , uh , because I didn't have any cash on me and then I had to download like the like the cash app or something it's like this whole thing and and then I finally go and I get in the car and I'm like , well , that was whatever .
Speaker 1Like I need ice . I'm just gonna go to food city now and I go to food city and I'm pulling up and , um , I I start to ask myself how many bags of ice am I going to get ? Like I start to have this thought in my head and before I even finish the thought , it's like 10 , I need 10 bags of ice . Yeah , um , sounds logical . Okay , I'm like all right , 10 bags of ice . All right , fine , just your first time doing the cold punch in this thing .
Speaker 1Okay , yeah , I didn't know how many I would actually write for this thing . Um , and so I go in that is expensive for ice ?
Speaker 1yeah , because ice is expensive . Now , yeah , uh , I didn't keep the cold punch . Um , I actually got a chiller for it and it worked really well . But then , like at first , and then the chiller stopped working , I was like , yeah , so I , I had like one day left to return and I'm like , no , I'm not dealing with this . Um , so I go up and I , uh , I go to pay and I tell them I need 10 bags of ice and you , you know the cashier and you know I pay , he hands me the receipt and I start to walk over to the ice cooler . As I'm walking up to the ice cooler , another employee comes from outside , like around the corner , walking up with a cart full of ice that he had gotten to fill up the ice cooler , and I was like , um , I know where this is going .
Speaker 3I was I was like .
Speaker 1Oh hey , I was about to get some ice . I need 10 bags . He's like oh , I have exactly 10 bags right here in a in a cart ready . And it was one of those things where I'm like this is so stupid and absurd that it got my attention of like . If any any number of these little things in this whole process had been different , the timing would have been completely off .
Speaker 1If I picked a different bag or a different number of bags , like would that have happened ? And there's like there's no , there's no consequence to this right . But and this is why I think I was getting it in the episode of like it's these little things , where it it ?
Speaker 1If you , if you can like trust your intuition when like it's like little things like this , I think that what that does is it it's like a , it's like a small feedback loop that then just gets that habit and that practice and you can look at the story and you can be like you know you could run some sort of probability odds , but you can't like I , I look at it , I'm like just there's something about it that that feels like something else was going on there , and and I'm not , I'm not ascribing like any is that the right word ? I don't know , I'm not , I'm not assigning like any sort of like spiritual or , uh , anything like that piece to it , but because I , I actually think that I have , of course , I have like theories on , mechanically , how this could work in a in a certain universe structure .
Speaker 1But I just thought it was really interesting and it stuck with me and I think that that was the point is that it was one of those things that it was weird and quirky and out of the ordinary , that I will remember it forever and so , but it's like just enough to where I remember it and I'll remember the lesson , but like not so much that it it make it . It's like it's like it has to be small in order for me to do it on a regular basis . You know what I mean . Like it's . If it's like it's , there's always huge stakes yeah , it feels like it's something that yeah you
Speaker 1know I wouldn't um , it would be less play around with right right yeah and and so that was my very long story of like , and this is just like one example . So you ask me like patterns ? This is what I mean . It's it's when I start playing around with this um , you , you can design , you can sort of design tests for yourself and and run those tests and just see what happens . If you just take the model and think about it and just assume that it's true for a little while and design some tests and see what happens , and if nothing happens , then great .
Speaker 1But if you start noticing patterns , that's an interesting data point and so it gives you threads to pull on to start experimenting and doing more . And in all of this , for me it helps me uncover sort of my relationship with my environment . In a way it's like what is the nature of my relationship with
Patterns, Randomness, and Higher Consciousness
Speaker 1others and with my environment ? In that Like relationship with others and with um , with my environment , in that like , am I this sort of singular entity that is an Island disconnected from everything else , or is there some connection there that is is something that is is not seen or known in a traditional sense , and can I explore that ? And and so that's how I like to think about these kind of things I think here I think you're in a really great place to do shrooms .
Speaker 3You keep telling me that no , but like . Because like every time I've ever heard of anybody like doing like heavy amounts of shrooms or acid , they always come back with a similar story of seeing like the hive mind and how we're all connected to each other and they like they . They see that like invisible connection . I've always wanted to do like a heavier dose , like on in a controlled environment , to see how that would be . Um , but before I go too far , I want to ask so are you ever afraid that ? Or or is this ever a concern in your mind when seeing patterns , that maybe you're just making it all up , like this idea that , like people see patterns where they want to see patterns , it's like how people make religions .
Speaker 1I mean , that's always my first thought Like that's the sort of operating assumption , like that's the hypothesis that I'm trying to validate . Actually , it's like because it's much easier if I can tell myself oh'm just making this up , then because there there's no implications for that , you know , it's just like oh , this is fun , I'm making this up , you know there's no , there's no like profound , uh , profoundness behind it that would cause me to have to shift something about my worldview , if that's what it is yeah , so that that actually is the first thing that I look at .
Speaker 1And so that's why I'm saying it's important to figure out a model that you can test , because if you can find , if you can like falsify or unfalsify certain like , if you can make little predictions , run a a little tests and then they end up actually working , then that gives you some evidence . I'm not saying it proves anything , but it gives you some evidence that , oh , maybe this isn't just me making stuff up and and like I I also think that there's , you know , I know there is a phenomenon around that , but I also question , like when that usually comes from a place of like the universe is random , and so these patterns are just us like finding imaginary signal in the noise . These patterns are are just us like finding imaginary signal in the noise ? But I think that that's a pretty , pretty big assumption that randomness actually exists and and that we there aren't just larger patterns that we just don't have the ability to to piece together with our cognitive capacity .
Speaker 1Sure , right , yeah , and like cause if you , even if you look at like to piece together with our cognitive capacity , sure , yeah , and like . Because , if you , even if you look at like what we call random , when we're talking about like randomly generating , like a random number generator machine and stuff like that all , of that isn't actually random , like when you look at , like , how functions are created in code to produce random things you can't actually like there's , there's always constraints .
Speaker 1It's not truly random and so , and so , like you , we , we assume that that it's all chaos and it's all randomness , and I think part of that is like that doesn't call us to consider a higher order structure , and so I like to kind of hold both of those and not just let myself fall into the easy sort of cynical it's all nonsense and I'm just making it up .
Speaker 3Yeah , I mean I'm in a strong push right now to try to believe in reincarnation and if that's the case , there's got to be some kind of higher system of existence . Maybe not necessarily legitimately , but I'm exploring it . The same way you explore different models and different things , I like the idea of it and the stories are very interesting to me .
Speaker 3There's a great book I'm reading right now called Old Souls . It was written in the early 2000s , before the internet was a thing , in everyday life anyway , and so he actually wrote souls . It was written in the early 2000s , before the internet was a thing , and uh , on a in everyday life anyway , and uh , so he actually wrote it in the 90s , um , and he it's a . It's a whole book about this journalist who goes on this trip to india with this guy who studied reincarnation and was like the leading guy at it , um , for like 30 years and had all these collections of stories and stuff and that , and he had a very like scientific approach to it and it was , but it's like the more scientific he got , the more interesting the stories became right like it's like well , shit , now we can't .
Speaker 3We can't disprove a lot . Some of these things like this doesn't make any sense , um , and it's really interesting , um , but uh , so I had so many things that I was thinking when you were talking , just now like for a while .
Speaker 3Yeah , what number am I thinking of right now ? Intuitively Four , holy shit . I've been thinking that over for so long . Oh my God , that's so good . We're expecting that . Actually , I kind of was expecting it . That's the weird part is , this whole time I'm like , if I ask him what I'm thinking , is he going to say four , like I was thinking it in my head , I was still like that's so good , oh my God .
Speaker 1So , so this is there's .
Speaker 1I don't I'm having , I'm having trouble , I'm having trouble forming words because I keep like stopping myself and I need to just like let it go .
Speaker 1I think the hesitation is that I don't want to be seen as someone who I guess I think that the way that I grew up in religion and you know it's kind of termed magical thinking , right , yeah , and after deconstructing out of that , there was a stigma around this idea of magical thinking and which , you know , the opposite side of that is just like materialist , reductionist view of the world where only the grit is all that there is , and but that never really sat well with me .
Speaker 1There was just there's something else there , and but it wasn't the frame through which I grew up in , but I always had this fear that people were going to see me as a magical thinker , which the way that that has been used is in the past is someone who's just dumb and easily fooled , right , and , and so I think that that is that's still those like kind of old stories that that come in unconsciously when I start to , when I start to venture into certain possibilities and talk through things that I don't have a firm concept or model for that I can explain well , because then I'm like they're just going to think that I have magical thinking , because I can't explain the , the , the rigorous thought process behind it , or like what's going on , like internally .
Speaker 1I can't make , like put it into words well , and so I think that's always the hesitation in this . So I'm , but I'm just going to like go through , I , I have this , I and I know this is something that people talk about and this is another thing too . It's like I don't mean it in like a generic way .
Speaker 1There's like a specific sort of almost body sense of this , of like we're entering into a new paradigm as humanity , yeah , and like the woo-woo culture calls it like raising consciousness , and I think that that , like , I , I think there's something to that conceptually , um , but I think that there's a I just get the sense that there's . There's actually like a mechanistic , like a like if you approach certain things scientifically , like you could figure out a mechanism for this in , in like a collective consciousness , um sort of accessing like the next octave up , right .
Speaker 1And this in this frequency that you're reverberating at Right and and in . In this I I'm just way more open to we like quote unquote weird things than I've ever been in the past , like since I left religion , basically .
Speaker 1Um , where , if you look at like things like quote unquote predicting the future and um psychic abilities and stuff like that that was very closed off to before , yeah , and psychic abilities and stuff like that that was very closed off to before , yeah , I feel like there's more and more like evidence that's coming into the collective
Telepathy, Quantum Computing, and the Mind
Speaker 1consciousness and the mainstream that is is opening up people to this idea and I I really like I suspect I don't have any firm beliefs on this , but I suspect that it it is a latent ability that we have as a species that , as we develop language has been like kind of almost going dormant , like we have it at a low level and we just have not learned to like access it again . And I say this because there are things like the telepathy tapes . Have you listened to that podcast at all ? Epilepsy tapes have you listened to that podcast at ?
Speaker 3all .
Speaker 1So it's . It's a study that was done with autistic kids who are nonverbal , who can read people's minds , and that's fun .
Speaker 3Yeah , so this is a podcast .
Speaker 1Yeah , there's a . I didn't listen to the podcast , but I watched . I watched a couple of interviews with the lady who did the podcast , Just like really good .
Speaker 3Followed , yeah , subscribed .
Speaker 1And there's something about the being nonverbal that allows them to sort of access this realm and they literally talk about , like so many from different places , talk about going to meet on the hill and they meet they meet these other autistic , nonverbal kids in a place , somewhere that is not physical , because they have conversations and they hang out and then they like , but they're physically separated and then like . I've heard of this . This sounds familiar .
Speaker 1And then there are , like the , these parents who , like legit their kids are reading their minds and and like can accurately like , do it 100 of the time . And and they were afraid to say anything until this lady started , like you know , publishing stuff about it and and then , all of a sudden , all these parents came out of the woodwork of like , oh my god , I've been experiencing this and I didn't want to say anything and and so , and so it's , it's a , it's a much more prevalent thing than I think that anyone realized .
Speaker 1Um , and you know , let's assume that this is all legit and true for a moment . What are the implications of that ? And like what ? What are some hypotheses around , like what could be the mechanism for this ? And like that's where my brain starts to go Like , okay , let's , this is what I mean when I say , like , just believe it for a minute , okay , and put that aside . Does that give you , and like does that give you the ability then to start formulating a model for how it might work ? And then , whether or not the model is right , at least it gives you a starting point for figuring out , like , how could we test this and my understanding ? I mean , if you go and look it up , I think when I tried to steel man against it , it wasn't very good , but they quote , unquote debunked it .
Speaker 1But it wasn't at all debunked like , um , it the and it was it was because , basically , the way they do this all the time , when it's something that it , it contradicts the current sort of paradigm , they , they say , oh , we , we need much more data in a very controlled , specific setting in order for for us to have any kind of like you can say there's any kind of strong evidence , and they're like well , we want to do this , but there are complications because these autistic kids are very sensitive and like you have to do in a very specific way and we gotta get funding for it . And it's like who's gonna fund it ?
Speaker 1and it's like there's all this stuff yeah , um , rather than saying , okay , actually , this is a really strong signal . Let's use that signal to actually explore it . It's like , oh , we're going to dismiss the signal because we we don't have the evidence in the way that we say we need it , but we're not going to help , kind of get that evidence right . It's , it's an easy way to dismiss it and that's how so many things get get done , but that's an example of that's how autism itself was dismissed decades ago , right , yeah , when I was a kid that wasn't even a diagnosis you could have .
Speaker 3I guess it's not a diagnosis now again , in america at least , but um , but yeah , it wasn't even a diagnosis . So my brother never got it and he should have been diagnosed .
Speaker 1So it just , it just it's interesting too , like what actually , then , is autism ? And yeah , um and is it ?
Speaker 1are they actually ? Are they actually operating in a higher level of consciousness that we can't really understand ? And so to us it looks like they're not functioning very well , but they're actually just functioning on a much higher level and we just we don't see it , and so those are the kinds of questions that I'm really interested in . So that's one . And uh , and so , like those are the kinds of questions that I'm really interested in , so that's one , and then , like dude , uh , so this is like really really out there . Uh , I , for a while , um , I've been , you know cause I've been obsessed with conspiracy theories , and there's one guy that I've just been fascinated with , um , for a long time I've just been fascinated with for a long time , and so I've been following him just because I want to he , he , he , he doesn't have , like I'd say he probably has , like a you know , a 60% hit rate maybe on the stuff that he says , okay , but that's not why I , I'm following , like when you , when you understand his process , that actually makes sense .
Speaker 1Like when you understand his process , that actually makes sense . Um , but he always , he always like he's . He's so far out there in the way that he thinks that he , he's always like getting me to think about certain things differently , just like a different approach . I'm like I would never have considered that . Like , let's play with that idea for a minute , right yeah um and uh .
Speaker 1So his name is Cliff High and his story is basically he's a psychonaut . What's a ? Psychonaut . A psychonaut is an explorer of the hyperverse where you go when you take shrooms and different substances , like that is what he calls it .
Speaker 3Okay , I love that and and so he .
Speaker 1He was a software engineer , um worked for like ibm and microsoft back in the 70s and 80s , and um and government contractor . He grew up , uh , in the uh .
Speaker 1His dad was in the military , so he grew up like traveling all over the world , different military bases and stuff um and uh , anyway , he , he , he did that and he's also he's also actually died three or four times um , and so he's had near-death experiences and has come back and , uh , but when , what he wanted to do to test whether or not this realm was real , it's like , could I go to this realm and learn something , bring something back that then I could actually use in the real world ?
Speaker 1Um , and so he , he did that , and what he brought back was um , an algorithm , and the idea behind it is like the .
Speaker 1So the hypothesis behind it is that we actually all have latent psi abilities and that we don't even realize it that , as major events are kind of like starting to materialize in the time stream ahead of us , it shows up in our collective language as markers , in our collective language as markers , and so he brought back an algorithm that could start like making sense of those markers to make predictions , and so he predicted 9-11 . He predicted COVID , he predicted like Bitcoin and like all this stuff . But the way that it shows up is like in specific language that you , it's hard to know exactly what , especially the farther out it goes . It's hard to know exactly what it's going to be , until it shows up and it's like oh , that's what this language meant . Like like covid was like sun disease that kept showing up and it was around all these other different markers and and it's like oh coronavirus , but it , it like , fits it within the certain time frame , that it , it .
Speaker 1It sounds crazy , but the way like and it's . It's definitely not an exact science by any means . Um , but I I've listened to him because I want to , I want to like listen to what he has to say and and hear what he's predicting , to see , like , what actually happens . And there've been some things where I'm like dude , he was spot on with that . And one of the things that just like shook me was the assassination attempt on Trump , like three months before he gave almost to like . I think it was like the exact date . It may have been a day off , there's always like a window in there , yeah , but all the cause . He didn't say specifically what was going to happen , but he was like this event is going to occur , and here's all the language that's showing up , that's describing it . Here's my hypothesis about what , what it is .
Speaker 3This is like language . Everybody says online gathering this information . Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1Okay , so he , he , he wrote these web bots that would scrape the internet , and it's a lot harder to do now because of how much they censor it , yeah , but but that's yeah , he's basically just massive data and runs it through all these algorithms and and like it was .
Speaker 1It was spot on and so it was him . And then there was another video that showed up and was on YouTube like a few months before as well , where this was like a religious one , like a charismatic Pentecostal type guy who had a dream or a vision and very clearly said that Trump was shot in the ear and like described the scene and it was like 90% all . And this was like a few months beforehand and I'm like what the like I , I , that stuff just messes with my head Cause . I'm like what do I do with that ?
Speaker 1Yeah , you know and and then , and then , if you start to open up , you realize that they're all . There's actually a lot of evidence for this kind of stuff and of stuff , and there's a guy that uh , some of the some of the stuff that I was um , like the language I was using in this episode came from um uh interview . I watched the guy . I think he wrote .
Speaker 1He wrote a book , I think it's called time loops that's where he was talking about like temporal non-locality and retro causality and um and the . I don't remember if this . There's a lot of stuff where I like learned a lot of different things . I kind of piece them together . I don't remember if this . There's a lot of stuff where I've like learned a lot of different things . I kind of piece them together .
Speaker 1I don't remember exactly where everything came from , but the , the kind of working hypothesis is from , what my understanding is , is like there are these um microtubules in our brains , um , and it's a specific structure , um , I think they , if I remember correctly , they encase the neurons or something like that . But the way that they're structured actually acts like a quantum computer . So it's like we have a , we have a sort of traditional computer . It's like our brain is like a mixture of like a traditional computer and a quantum computer , and the way that a quantum computer works is it works in superposition , so like a quantum computer . And the way that a quantum computer works is it works in superposition , so like a traditional computer . It's all binary ones and zeros , but a superposition is basically one or zero or not one or not zero , and it's hard to explain . It's in multiple states at once .
Speaker 3And there's a whole show based on this Okay good Called Dark Matter .
Speaker 1Oh , I haven't watched . Oh , I watched , like the first episode , so good Anyway . And so the kind of working hypothesis with that is that it works through like quantum tunneling and spatial non-locality , because that's how quantum entanglement works right , it's a lot of big words .
Speaker 1Yeah , I know , so I can't go through and explain how quantum entanglement works right now , but essentially like , the idea then is like , because space , space time is sort of one thing , that if something is spatially non-local , it would , and which which they ? So I think it was the , the , if I remember correctly , the nobel prize in 2022 was was for like , proving like , like , like non-local , like non-locally , that the reality , like base reality , is non-local , and so if it's spatially non-local , then it could also be temporally non-local , which means that quantum computers are actually accessing time outside of the present time while they're doing these computations , and that's how they do it , whoa .
Speaker 3Oh , I've heard this . Yes , I've heard this . Right , that theory , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1So that's a theory on how quantum computers work . But if these microtubules in our brains act as a type of quantum computer , then that gives us the ability to then also access outside of the present time . All right , so that's what it means by temporally non-local Um it . It's fascinating to me because if , if there's something to this , then it just changes everything . And so then I wonder , like how long have we known that this was a thing , and is there a stigma around it ? Because it actually is real , like if you look at um , you go back to so remote viewing .
Speaker 1This is something I think you and I have talked about , that you're like highly skeptical of . I don't know , I don't remember . So remote viewing is the idea that you can , um , you can sit down and um and basically access information non-locally , spatially and temporally . So you can sit down in a remote view and it has to be double blind and you're given a target . You don't know anything about it and you go through this process . If it's done right , you go through this process that then allows you to observe and and write down what you observe , and then they test it and see , like , how accurate it is . And there's some people that have a very , very high , like 90 plus percent accuracy rate and , um , this is something that was really pioneered .
Speaker 1I think they did a lot in russia during the cold war , but , um , here in the states , it was at the stanford research , like Hal Puthoff and I'm blanking on the other guy's name at the moment , russell Targ maybe and then there were Joe McMonigle and Uri Geller and some other guys are kind of like the original remote viewers and this was all funded by , like the dod , um and stuff for many , many years , yeah , and was used to like operationally to um , like joe mcmonigal actually won like this medal of valor or something for uh , for it , and but but then they , they shut it down quote unquote because they couldn't get any real results from it .
Speaker 1But I think that , like , they just moved the program , because as people found out about it , they moved the program into dark and said that it was nothing to it , because there's actually something to it , right , and and so there's this idea then that , okay , let's extrapolate this out a little bit . Where let's assume that this is true , what does that actually mean ? It means that there's no such thing as secrets , right , yeah , right , us to experience truth for ourselves , then , like there's no controlling us , you know from a governmental structure .
Speaker 1Sure , right , yeah , and so there are huge implications for that , right . So that's one thing . Number two is let's assume that we can . Where was I going with number two ? Damn it . Oh , it had something to do with the telepathy tapes and I don't remember , sorry listener this is unedited oh let's be honest . No one's listening at this point .
Speaker 1Yeah that's probably true , but so so , so , basically , like , what are the implications of this ? Like it fundamentally changes ? Oh , the other thing that I remember now so some of the people that were in these telepathy tapes , they could just like learn languages instantly , like one of the girls learned Egyptian hieroglyphics from an ancient Egyptian priest that she met in this realm , like just instantly , and came back and knew how to do all this stuff . And if this is real , like if this is true , and this would also explain , like how , like , certain savants just have the ability to play , like Mozart , you know or or just like do crazy math in their heads and like all of a sudden right .
Speaker 1It might explain some of that .
Speaker 3Where it's like you're .
Speaker 1You're not accessing something that's like your brain's not generating it . You're accessing something that is like a collective consciousness level thing , where you can just kind of download it like the matrix , right , yeah , um , and if that's true , then that's just like it , it gets rid of . Like we're no longer in the age of authority , like there is no authority outside of myself because I can access truth for myself , I can learn anything I want , right , and I can become like this , self-sovereign person and that's . You know , that is a completely different humanity . You know , at that point You're not attracted to a five-wing four though , Right exactly .
Speaker 3You have a disdain for authority very much .
Speaker 3So , yeah , um , yeah , I there was a . There was a guy when I was a teenager and was , um , I was in definitely in the christian music scene at the time was signed to a christian label and uh , and I the label . I met this guy who was like super involved in Christian things , but I think he was . It was interesting because he I think he had stumbled onto ideas and concepts that were way beyond the idea of God , but he just attributed them to God so I wrote it off . But , like , the older I get and the more I hear about things , the more I think back to some of the conversations . He was at the time . I mean , I was probably 18 or 19 . So , like you know , we're talking 20 years ago . He was like 60 something , I think he died in like 2015 . But his name is David Vancouver and I don't know if I've ever talked to him about him on the show before , but he he was kind of a wild guy . When I met him , he invited us over to his house and took me into a room that was just filled I'm talking like twice the size of this room , like massive room just filled floor to ceiling of records and tapes and CDs and all these things . And he said I invented a sound that's on one of it's , on one it's one track at least of all of these albums throughout history . And it went back all the way because he is one of the original inventors of the synth . He met a guy named bob moog and helped bob moog develop the moog synthesizer , which is one of the most world-renowned like original sense . Yeah , and so he's also the one who invented the compact disc , the original , the original patent for it . Wow , and he . But he did it for the government when they were afraid of like cold war and stuff and they were putting information on big discs to put in submarines under the water right , yeah , that's what . But that same concept , that same patent , was later designed into the idea of a cd , a compact disc , and he developed all these different things .
Speaker 3He was very good with theremins and things like that , you know , like spatial things . But there was this time where he also had died multiple times and one time he died and he was dead for multiple minutes and when he said when he was there it was a place that was , he was in a different place . He said it felt like almost like he was in just like a mist and he could hear all of these sounds . And he was very conscious of what was happening and he could hear all these sounds that he'd never heard before and he came back . When he came back to he was like I have to know what those sounds are like .
Speaker 3This was music made on a plane that he had never heard before . That didn't go by our . Our understanding of music is like the 12 notes and like the math of music , right , yeah , and so he tried to design it . I wish I could remember what it was called , but he ended up designing it based on the idea of the table of elements , and he was able to create an instrument that played the sounds that he heard , and I think it was what's Victor Wooten's brother's name , I can't remember the drummer .
Speaker 3He bought it and so he has that instrument , so he has the prototype of it and so , but there's all these people and all these things that he's kind of like , had his hands in at different times through the idea , and it was like a lot of his career was around music , but he's a scientist . He had , he had done different um , he had he tried to do like a I remember he'd say something about a a experiment that they did where they tried to purify water with different environments without using any purification process . Or if , like , they take water that's already clean and it degraded , you know , it would um , degrade in , in , in , in certain environments while , you know , purifying itself in other environments and like different things . Like he's done all different kinds of stuff and I think a lot of stuff he was , you know , like you said , 60% of the time , right , like , you're off on some things , as anybody would be .
Speaker 3Um , you , you , you thought you can't follow every thread , but
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Speaker 3um , but yeah , it's just interesting , it's just it's , it's odd . It talks about that , that different plane , that different plane of consciousness ? Um , in that way too , that kind of accesses , different , different parts of of um of who we are , um , I also don't . I've wondered too if it's like the more familiar you are with the person , the easier it is . You just don't . I've wondered too if it's like the more familiar you are with the person , the easier it is . You just don't realize it in terms of , like , reading other people's minds . Yeah , you know what I mean .
Speaker 1Yeah , Like , oh my God , I , I , I really think that Amy is a psychic Like she . Just she can read my mind , can read my mind like the very first time um , I said I love you to her was in my head and she heard me oh , wow , like and , and we were dating like a week yeah , we're making out and we stopped , said I love you in your head after a week , dude ?
Speaker 1yeah , um , like . I mean , I opened up a savings account for an engagement ring the day before our first date . So yes , um , yeah , that's right .
Speaker 1Yeah , I forgot about that and so funny and like I , uh , I looked at her and in my head I said it just like intuitively , without uh , you know , with before I realized it , and then her , her face as soon as I said it , like I could tell she heard me and I , and then I like freaked out , I'm like what ? And like , and then , and then so I'm like , well , she heard me . I guess I have to say it out loud . So then I said it out loud and then it was like the longest pause , I think , of my entire life and then she said it back but she hears me all all of the time .
Speaker 1It's , it's weird . There's just all kinds of little things like that where it's like I I cannot conventionally explain yeah some of the stuff that she picks up and then , um , like , stuff will happen with me too , where I'll be this has happened multiple times where I am pulling up to the house , um , like I'm a block away and I'll get a song in my head and I'll start like singing or humming the song and I will walk into the house and it is the song that amy and the kids are playing on psycho , you know , like a Spotify playlist or something , where it's like there , physically , there's no way I could have heard the song when I started humming it .
Speaker 1It's like I , you know , psychically or intuitively , knew that this was the song that was going to play it was .
Speaker 3It's weird . I've definitely been experiencing that a lot more with Madison lately , where we've like we say the same things and think the same things all the time . Um , today we were at a soccer game before this and we were leaving , and it's like sometimes I just hear things and I think some of it's just predictive , right like I knew what she was going to do and I did it . Like she . Somebody was like free pizza over here , anybody wants it . And I just looked at her , at her . She wasn't looking at me , she was looking ahead , but I looked directly at her and we both , at the exact same time , said free pizza . And then she looked at me and started laughing . I was like I already knew you were going to say it . I was like , right there , it was like a movie moment .
Speaker 3But then the weirdest one was last night we're sitting on the couch , hadn't spoken in a while . We were watching a tv show and I just look over at her and I said you know what I really want right now ? And she went a banana split from baskin robbins . And I was like yes , and she was like it's almost like I can hear you thinking it . And it was so weird . I was like that because we had . We haven't had a banana split from baskin robbins forever . Like how , what ?
Speaker 1in the world . This is , this is what I'm saying , like , okay , we can laugh about this and this is a funny thing , but if we just like , let's believe it for a minute what experiments . Could we run ? You know what I mean . Like let's just see , let's , let's develop some hypotheses and actually run some experiments and see , like is , can we , can we accurately predict whether or not this will happen ? And whether we can hear each other um and I'm just curious to you know , to see what we find .
Speaker 1Yeah , all right what number am I thinking of ?
Speaker 3well , I was gonna ask you that question . So if it's the same number , it would be really weird , because the word I'm thinking of is 10 . Oh my god , are you serious ?
Speaker 1I'm not messing with you right now . That is the number that was what the fuck ?
Speaker 3all right , it's time to go to bed . We gotta get out of here . That's so crazy . Oh my , I've been thinking it for so long . Oh my God , see , it's so weird when it happens . Right after you said four , I had 10 in my head and I was like I'm going to wait till the end and I'm going to ask you Did you ask me ? Oh my God , that's so weird . Well , that means it's true , because now we did it twice in a row .
Speaker 1Okay .