CST28 – The Sixth Commandment: You Shall Not Murder

CST28 – The Sixth Commandment: You Shall Not Murder

In this episode of Christian Straight Talk, Reverend Ben Cooper and Simon continue their deep exploration of the Ten Commandments by examining Exodus 20:13, “You shall not murder.” Moving beyond the physical act of taking a life, they explore Jesus’ teaching that anger, hatred, bitterness, and destructive words originate in the heart and can be spiritually equivalent to murder. The discussion highlights the importance of forgiveness, reconciliation, and allowing Christ to deal with the root issues hidden beneath the surface. Through biblical examples including Cain and Abel, David, Moses, and the crucifixion of Jesus, the episode reveals how the condition of the heart remains central to God’s law.

What This Episode Is About

This episode explores the Sixth Commandment and challenges listeners to look beyond physical violence and examine the deeper spiritual issues of anger, resentment, hatred, unforgiveness, pride, and destructive speech.

Ben and Simon discuss how murder begins in the heart long before it becomes an action. They emphasise that the Gospel addresses root causes rather than simply treating symptoms, and that true transformation comes only through Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Main Themes

• The Sixth Commandment.
• Murder and the human heart.
• Anger and unforgiveness.
• The power of words.
• Reconciliation and restoration.
• The root causes of sin.
• Forgiveness through Christ.
• The condition of the heart.
• Biblical justice and mercy.
• Spiritual transformation.

Key Scriptures

• Exodus 20:13
• Deuteronomy 5:17
• Matthew 5:21-26
• Romans 13:8-10
• Jeremiah 17:9
• Ecclesiastes 3:3
• Genesis 4:1-16
• Romans 12:19
• Matthew 7:3-5
• Luke 23:34

Key Discussion Points

• Murder often begins as anger, bitterness, resentment, or hatred.
• Jesus raised the standard by addressing the heart, not just outward actions.
• Words can wound and damage lives for years.
• Unforgiveness can become a root that affects every area of life.
• God calls believers to reconciliation whenever possible.
• The Bible contains many examples of violence, war, and human failure, yet consistently points toward redemption.
• The crucifixion of Jesus demonstrates both humanity’s sinfulness and God’s incredible love.
• Love fulfils the law because genuine love does no harm to another person.

Core Takeaway

The Sixth Commandment is about far more than physical murder. Jesus teaches that anger, hatred, unforgiveness, and destructive attitudes begin in the heart and can be just as spiritually damaging. The Gospel calls believers to deal with the root causes of sin rather than simply managing outward behaviour. Through forgiveness, repentance, and surrender to Christ, hearts can be transformed. The challenge is not simply to avoid harming others physically, but to allow God’s love to reshape the heart so that anger, bitterness, and resentment no longer control our lives.

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The Sixth Commandment reveals that murder begins in the heart, and only Jesus can heal the anger, bitterness, and unforgiveness that destroy lives from within.

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SPEAKER_03 0:25

Good morning. Good morning in the world of Twitter and uh all the social platforms that we are on at this moment in time. Good morning, good afternoon, wherever you are, for uh this broadcast as we just gather around the mics for hashtag Christian Straight Talk and to everybody in the world of Spotify, iHeartRadio, uh Amazon Music, and so many other platforms that we are pushing these podcasts out on. The book is out, the second one is on its way. Uh it's got stuck in transit somewhere, but it's on its way. May God bless you and strengthen you in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. God is with you, and uh, this is our first time that we are put it putting this live out on Twitter this morning and every week. So we're gonna be not having uh just the audible uh podcast, but literally the visual as well. So good morning to all those that will watch this for 45 minutes. Simon, we're in. Good morning, Ben.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

It's great to be back in in Sunny Swanley. Um sun is out, yeah, always is in Swanley, isn't it? The palm trees greet us as we drive into the town. But you get off of the little gram as you drive down the road. Yeah, well that reminds us, Ben, doesn't it, of uh what we're um oh lord. What we've been straight talking on for the last few weeks, and it's the Ten Commandments. We've been really giving the Ten Commandments some serious attention and and some deep dive and and a lot of conversation. Very much so. But what we've what we realise, I think, Ben, is that um you know we break one, we break them all, don't we? So there's no one there's no one living a perfect life, there's only one person who ever did. None of us can none of us can uh we break them most days, don't we, these these Ten Commandments, but every morning, eyes open, socks on, busted the luck. And in in the flesh, in in in as you look as you nicely put it in this earth suit, we can't we can't do it. We can't do it. We have to have the Holy Spirit, don't we, to to help us give us the strength to give us the strength to turn our back on whatever. And Ben, last week we uh was talking about honour your father and mother, weren't we? And that was that was that was another deep one, wasn't it? It's a big one, wasn't it, Ben?

SPEAKER_03 2:32

Actually, they're all enormous lines, aren't they? That all ten are absolutely enormous, and you can say them so quickly, you can read them, and we thought that we were just gonna crack it all out in one crack, you know, and we'll it's like each one is is taking more than one podcast, really, because we're backtracking a little bit, interwoven and moving through all the others, but you can't you can't actually separate them, can you, really, when you look at them, because they all actually go together.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

They all go together, and they're in a perfect order. And what we have said, and we said that just before we came on Evan was that was that the the the world's problems are not you know are not the the planet or anything like that. The world's problem is sin.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

Sin.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Is sin if people if people tried and kept to some of these to the Ten Commandments, Ben, that that were given to us by God Himself, we'd have a better place to live. See, what we're doing in this world, we're treating the symptoms and not the root. So we you know people uh commit sin, uh but we we deal with the aftermath instead of going and and trying to deal with the actual root of it all.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

It's like having a it's like having a load of trees in the back of your garden, you can't see over the fence. You call a um guy in cut the trees down, or guy or girl, because you've got to be political correct this day this day. Well we did well there, Ben. I'm adapting to what the church is, yeah. So you can be male or female or non-binary, you can be whatever you want. Come on in, cut your gut, cut your trees down, cut your trees down, but don't take the root out. Put the grass over the top, but the real root is still deep down, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 4:12

It's gonna come through again, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 4:13

You know, it's gonna come through. The root has to be extracted. You know, it's the same with the good old dentist, you know, you've got root canal. You've got to take the root out.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

You've got to sort out the root, and especially if you've got something in your life that's reoccurring, you know, if you keep going back to you know, the Bible tells us, doesn't it? You know, the dog will return to its vomit. So if you keep going back to the same thing, go back to the same scene, keep doing it and doing it, doing it. There's a reason why you're doing it.

SPEAKER_03 4:43

Help me, Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Yeah, there's a reason why you're doing it, and and the Holy Spirit can convict you, and it definitely. Yeah. You know, I I was on um just an example, I was on uh on on something uh with a group of guys, and one guy, he's in his fifties, he was very fearful. Very fearful. He frightened about everything, so that meant he didn't believe or trust in the Lord, really. So he was fearful. And when we broke it down and and and went back in his life, it happened when he was about eight years old. Um when the bus dr uh bus driver uh broke down, the bus driver he was coming home from school, and he was and the bus driver went off to get help and he f and he was started to get scared that he wasn't going to be able to go back with his moments.

SPEAKER_03 5:24

Something like that. Just a little thing like that. Come all that these years up his life, all the way through his his complete life.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

So that's what we're saying, you know. And um before we go on to this week's, which is cracky, I don't know, resisting a little bit to go into this week's Ben, I tell you. But before we do, um as you said, just nipping back into last week's honour your father and mother, I just want to say I don't think we brought it out, but we brought out you brought out the point about forgiveness, and I think it's a real key point, Ben. I think you know, um there is if you're hanging on to bitterness and resentment, it has to be forgiveness, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_03 6:06

It it has to be, and where do where does that take us to? To Jesus and to the cross. We can only get to that position in our lives, honour your father and mother, your neighbour, your friend, and all that. It starts with the root again. That word root, it comes what is the root? Yeah, it's it's it the root needs to be dealt with.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

It needs to be dealt with.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

It needs to be dealt with in in every area of our life. There is a root that continues to push up through the garden, even if the tree is cut down and it looks good on the on the face of the surface, but deep down in the earth, that it the root is still alive and very well, and we have to ask Christ, Lord, remove the root.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Yeah, definitely. I mean, and that's comes back to the cross of Jesus. And what I would say as well, what I thought about this week as as I was just pondering on where we went with that, I was just pondering on that, Ben. I just thought, you know, you you may be out there and you may have something against one of your parents, but they may have died. Yeah, they may have died. So how so so you can still forgive them, yeah. You can still forgive them, Ben, even though they're even though they're past a on. That's right. You might be holding something, some resentment. You can still forgive them, and then the big thing is you forgive yourself, yeah, don't you, Ben? Yeah, definitely, yeah. If you you start to think what an awful person I am, or whatever, you the big thing is forgiving and then forgiving yourself.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

The root, the power of the mind, the power of the mind starts the the the toxic thought pattern, doesn't it? And then suddenly you get in this thought pattern, then fear comes in, anger comes in, frustration comes in. And this this is uh this applies to what we're actually talking about today as well, really fits really really well. That it had the ev everything has a root, it comes from somewhere, it just doesn't, it's not above the table. There's always something under the table with it. Something something growing under the table. The table's clean, it's tidy, but underneath we're chucking all the rubbish. And the and under the table is your heart. Your heart has to be dealt with, your heart has to be swept through, you have to bring it before Christ. I'm bringing my heart all the time before God. Lord, cleanse me, sweep me through, Lord, remove the root, remove the fears, remove Lord. It's deep within.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Well, I think I think that is uh a real God-given uh statement there, because it is the heart.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

But the church ain't dealt with it, has it? It is come on, look at the fluffy. It's the heart all the way through the Bible, isn't it? It is you can't survive in your mind. In your mind, your mind makes it worse, your thinking makes it worse. It's the heart. It's the heart, you have to be worse.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

And what does what does the Bible say about the heart, Ben? In Jeremiah, it says the heart is deceitful above all things, it's corrupt, it's wicked.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

And then and then David, they talk about David, we mentioned this a lot, but it's really relevant. David had a heart after God. But you look at his his lifestyle and you think, hang on, he had a heart after God, but he was up to everything going on earth. He'd done everything, he experienced everything, he had a heart after God.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Well, if you like, we done a podcast on the heart, didn't we? And we really sort of went deep on that. And and the thing is, uh, people go, and I've I've been in in meetings where where people have gone, yeah, but we're in the New Testament now. And all that's no, hold on a minute. Look, look what look what uh the gospel, look what Jesus said about the heart. You know, out of the heart comes blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

You're right, Simon. How many times do we hear that we're we're on the other side of the cross? Well, actually, no, the old goes with the new, the new goes with you cannot separate. The only where the only time you can separate is is is the time. It's from the old to the new. They say there's three or four hundred years time gap where God was quiet. That's all it was. But they they run, Christ was speaking the the old testament every time he delivered something, he spoke his word that was thousands of years old. So the old testament is really relevant. So because if I remove creation, as we said earlier, I have no standpoint. How many times have I mentioned that I know pastors that actually are more Darwinistic in their belief than they are they don't believe in creation? So without creation, you've lost the Ten Commandments, you've everything's gone.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

You're in real danger when you start to mess about with the word of God, aren't you? Do you know? Yeah, you start in danger. In uh, oh, it's not relevant for this day, so what we'll do, we'll put in We'll make it fit our own dirty lifestyle.

SPEAKER_03 10:37

Bang.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

That's what it is. Because you said something earlier, not dealing with sin. The root. What the what the religion and a lot of ministries and what and a lot of leaders are doing is that they're they're turfing over the root. They're cutting the root down, they're cutting the tree down, the the view, the vision's good. We can see daylight again. Well, you don't cut the tree down, they've turfed over it. Ben, they don't even preach about sin. No. I'm a sinner saved by grace. I'm bloodwashed, sanctified. I've got more failings than anybody else, but Jesus Christ loves me and he went to the cross for me, and I'm work in progress.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Ben, you know, Paul says so much about sin, Jesus says so much about sin. You know, we're all have fallen short.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

Yeah, all have fallen short of thy glory. That's a beautiful scripture, isn't it? Yeah. And then when you look at the Ten Commandments again that we're in, all of us have hit everyone and done a good job of everyone.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Everyone, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

But someone will go, well, I'm not a murderer. Well, we're gonna throw some scriptures up. It's not about the physical taking of life as much, it's about the power of the mind and the anger and the frustration.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

We're gonna look at what Jesus said about that, then Jesus? Oh yeah. We're talking about it. What did Jesus say? You're right, you know, if you just smoothed over them, well, I don't steal, you know, I don't commit adultery. What about that, you know, uh so we're gonna come on to all that, but today's one, Ben, is Verse 13 of Exodus chapter 20.

SPEAKER_03 12:12

I'll read it. You read it, you talk about it. You have it, I'll play it. This is this is probably the violent and the violent and the violent, isn't it? Because when you look at that word, automatically you think oh the murders are behind bars. There's probably more murderers that are outside of Her Majesty's pleasure as in the thought. So let's read it. It says you shall not murder. I think that is the shortest one in the Ten Commandments, as in words. It's one, two, three, four. Four words. You shall not murder. Um what did Moses do?

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Well he murdered. He did murder someone, didn't he, and buried them in the sand. Um you uh this see so it's you know it's easy to to say, look, well, uh I would never or would never kill anybody. I never kill anybody. No, no, that's not in my nature.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

It's so we're talking about not the physical, but the mind and the hatred and the thought pattern. Um Deuteronomy 5, 17 says exactly the same thing, you shall not murder. You know, Romans 14 uh verse 8, it says, For if we live, we live uh to the Lord, and we do not die, and we do not die to the Lord. So then, whoever and wherever we live, whether we live or we die, it is for the Lord. So death is a very interesting word, because obviously if you murder you are taking a life, but you don't need to physically, you don't need to physically do that that act of that removing someone through through an act of violence because the Bible talks about the power of the mind and the hatred of a human being.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Well, we said something earlier, we said it was about the heart, didn't we? So as well, then so look what Jesus says in in the Sermon on the Mount in in uh Matthew 5, 21 to 26. And the title in in my uh in my Bible is Murder Begins in the Heart. Oh gosh, what scripture's that? It's Matthew 25, 21 to 26. Wow, and he says this he says, You have heard that it was said to those of old, you shall not murder. Right? Yeah, fair enough. And whoever murders will be in danger of judgment. That's fair enough. Fair enough, get that. But he's gone, he's taken it one step further. So all automatically Ben, the standard is gone now, going from murder, it's going He's lifted the bar. He's lifted the bar because he always does. But he says, but I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without cause shall be in danger of judgment. And whoever says to his brother, racca, shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says you fool shall be in danger of hell fire.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

That's like you've got to be careful. You've got to be really careful. So anger never call anyone a fool. Anger could be the sword, anger could be the bullet, anger could be the weaponry that not the physical act of murder, but the thought pattern and the understanding and the attitude and the frustration of you being angry to someone is as bad as the physical erase erasion of life.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

The anger towards someone, yeah, but look what he's taken it even further. So anger, and then there's calling your brother a fool.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

So that word idiot or something, how often very careful, aren't we? You don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You twit, yeah, you you fool. Oh my god. Fool, woof. That's an interesting word. So straight away, anyone could read the Ten Commandments and go, okay, yeah, I might have failed on the first one. I haven't committed the physical adultery, I haven't I haven't really stolen murder now, I'm not a murderer, but the attitude to another human being is as bad as getting in a full fight and having and having a physical death on your hands, uh, is is is the is the your attitude in your heart.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

It's completely, it's the attitude in your heart. So so I honestly believe that that if these were understood, if these were preached in the right way, if this was explained to people, then you know, you know, sometimes we get them thoughts about people, and we kind of like to sit in them thoughts, don't we? We kind of invite them in and we sit down and have a cup of tea with them. We kind of like that because you know, um it it I don't know, our flesh loves that, doesn't it? Our flesh loves to to pick someone to pieces, doesn't it? Our flesh loves that. It really does. It really does. And the Bible says be careful, be careful. So even in in in in conversation, when we're talking about another brother, where we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

Yeah, and you get really angry and you get so wound up. Words are so they are such a destroyer. So you don't need to have a gun with bullets, you don't need to have a knife, you don't need to wipe anyone off the earth physically because of the James says very clearly the the the the muscle, the smallest muscle in the body, the tongue, is the most damaging. You're either gonna lift people or destroy people. So words kill people for the rest of their life.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

So the words do, yeah, words do. Words are bullets, what what arrows. I'll go even further than that, Ben. Words can become roots in people's lives.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

So if you're told if you're no good, yeah, if you're if you are uh all that stuff that comes out and all the way through your life, suddenly you can reach a point where you are physically existing, but because you have been coming under gunfire all your life from certain people, you are dead, but you are just trying to survive.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Just trying to survive. I and I I'd say there's another aspect to it as well. While while you personally are plotting and planning and talking and and and wrestling with ports about people that you believe have done you wrong, or there's an injustice towards you, God can't move. God can't move. And he says clearly, uh Paul says, I think it's in Romans 12 somewhere, but I do believe he says, Revenge is mine, says the Lord. Revenge is mine, saith the Lord. And I will repay. So if you're if you're taking that out of the Lord's hands and saying, Look, I'm gonna get my own revenge.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Because then it comes if it comes down to forgiveness. If if you if you can't forgive, I can't forgive you. So that so it comes down to the root of the heart. You can be you can be the most calmest person, you can be the most against weaponry and fighting and wars, but you could literally destroy someone's life by what you've said to them and the attitude, and you've committed a bigger crime than actually erasing someone off the earth.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Yeah, because you can also do her harm to yourself. Yeah, because then Because you lock yourself in there, don't you?

SPEAKER_03 19:51

Yeah, but I don't think that that we actually understand the power of of the the power of words. They are bullets. They are bullets and they're arrows.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

What happens is that they're like seeds that that go in. Yeah. And what happens is so so someone is told either by a parent or a school that they're no good, then every every negative word after that waters that seed and it just grows. And and and so in the end, you've got you you end up with someone who who's got want no validation, no confidence, um, you're very insecure because of that root of those words, and unless it's sorted, yeah, they they they will carry on.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

That's right. But but murder is is a big thing, isn't it? You've got accidental death, you've got something you're trying to protect yourself in a violent situation. There's loads of ways of looking at that word.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Well, Ecclesiastes 3 3 says there is a time to kill. Yeah. Oh, time to kill Jesus. And and if you look in the Old Testament, uh the Old Testament is more bloodthirsty than a bloodthirsty religion, because he, you know, God has said, go in and destroy those people. Don't leave it.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

Don't leave no one standing. That can be very difficult to grasp, can't it?

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Because we've been given the Ten Commandments, then all of a sudden, we've got this stuff in Genesis, uh, in Exodus, sorry, that we're looking at in Exodus chapter 20. You've got all this stuff, and then suddenly you're seeing Joshua and and Caleb and and the warriors going in there, taking the cattle out, taking every everything that breathes has been wiped out. So, how do we handle that one as a believer? Because when you read these these cities and these places that were taken, no one was left standing. Look at Jericho, look at look what Rahab. Rahab done a deal with the two the two the two spies. We we want to live, we will do anything. She lied to the king's men, she she lied every way through, she got herself into a safe place, um, and everything the Went on with her, but that city, Jericho was gonna fall, and no one came out there alive. But this is the God of love.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Yeah. The same with AI, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 22:09

AI took AI and one after the other.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

So that that book in Joshua is But God is love. God would God wouldn't.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

God wouldn't, but God wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

The only way you put a caveat on that really is that these were uh cultures that were so anti anti-God, that had gone so far away from that they were sacrificing their own children to other gods.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Yeah, so you have to look into the depth of that to understand.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

You have to look into the root of that, and and God says he's given them countless opportunities to turn away from that, and they haven't. So you he can't have a he he couldn't have his his chosen people mixing in that area with with those. Because all all that would happen, we we know and we saw what would happen, is that they eventually turned to their gods, didn't they? That's right, yeah, yeah. Even even um uh the the wise, you know, the Solomon turned turned you know there comes a point when we all turn to our other gods.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Yeah. I mean Blue Water Lakeside credit cards.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

In the case of Solomon, he had 700 wives, didn't he, and thousands of concubines. So you can see where his mind was going.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

Oh, yeah, you can see what led him along. So when you look at murder, murder is all the way through the Bible, isn't it? All the way through. Cain and Abel. Uh right at the start. Right at the start. Yeah, the There's fighting at the start. There's wars, rumours of wars, there's family feuds. One family member killing another family member. So this is not this is not because when you look at that word murder, and and God please be with those that have uh have done that, and we're not going into that, we're not judging anyone whatsoever, because the Bible says very clearly that we're all an adulterous generation, and through the scripture that we are reading out, the anger of a person is as bad as the physical act of taking a life. But then you look at wars, you've got these men and the you've got these women that that are out in war, and we all know what happens in war and everything like that. So well, you've you've got a um So there's another area It's another aspect to it, isn't there? You know, so defence and when you look at all this stuff and you look at the Ten Commandments, everyone on the earth, whether you're on the front line in the military or whether you've had an accidental situation that has just caused murder and whatever has happened, murder has many different platform, many different meanings, doesn't it? Through the thoughts of the acts, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

So murder self-defense. What's murder is is uh in in in law, it's the unlawful killing of another person, homicide, it's the unlawful killing of another person. In the UK, we have two layers where you have you have the um deliberate murder, so the intentional murder is murder, uh, and then we have a summit called manslaughter, which is the unintentional thing where maybe someone has a fight, hits a guy once, he falls to the floor, cracks his head on a curb, and he dies. So that's that's manslaughter. In the states it called murder one, murder two. So so we've got different all that going on.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

So that the you know you have to say that and there are some religions out there that and certain areas of of religion where you murder on what I would actually call sacrifice. Do you think that you are sacrificing to your God when you have sacrificed and you have done that because you think that you are honouring a foreign god. So you find that in religion, and I will say religion, and I will say other faith, other whatever way you look at that.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Whatever way you look at it, I was reading uh an article the other day that uh the the Aztecs would uh literally, you know, on on some they have they believe that by murdering and taking people's hearts out they they they um uh they delayed the end of the earth. So 80,000 people would be killed in one mur on a on a stone in one day. So we yeah, you're you're exactly right. So but in in wars, modern day wars and whatever, I guess that people say it's a lawful killing, don't they? But there's so much stuff going on.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

There's so much stuff that goes on. It's like even even when you look at certain governments around the world, the the way that they murder people through literally not feeding them and watering them, they have blood on their hands. They've got yeah, it's so it's not so much to do with bullets and weaponry. You can take someone's life by ri restraining and controlling them through starvation, and you're living in palaces and you're living so murder. It doesn't have to be by literally the whole thing, doesn't it? It covers the whole thing. So when you open up the the the can of the word, you can see this that you can see it right, and then and then you you look at Moses, he scribbled this stuff down. But what was the first thing that we find out that he done? He got caught in a scrap and he took someone's life, and he's writing this down on the tablet. He must have like thought, hang on, Lord, don't give me this one a minute. It's a real it's a real um, it's a real big one, it's a real turn. Joshua and Caleb, David. What about David? David had a bit of an eye for a certain young woman in a rock tub on the on the on the top of the other roof, and what did he do? He give he gave a note to her husband and went.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Yeah, he killed him.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

He didn't draw the knife on him, but he he planned it in his head. He gave the order.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

So when you look at all this stuff and you look at religion and you look at just society, it's not some David gave a letter over. The letter didn't take the man out.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

It was a so when you look at murder, it's the human nature is just wicked, isn't it? Right down right down to the bottom. I mean, I I've I've been watching a little bit. I like Westerns, you know, on the on the TV. And the bloodshed that was caused by you know uh killing the Indians in in North America that that uh old American society was built on bloodshed. Most of the Western world, most societies have been built or established on on blood. On blood on bloodshed. On blood, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

What did what did religion, what did the Jewish leaders want to do? They murdered the king of the Jews. They murdered him. Jesus was killed. And they actually say that in the scriptures. We want to erase this Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

But but but so there we have murder. That's that's what we all understand murder.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

The crucifixion.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

But but Jesus says you know, even calling your brother a fool. So and he goes on to say, doesn't he? He goes, he goes on to say that you know, why are you having a go at your brother who's got a speck in his eye when you've got a plank in your own eye? Do you know? So so I I think we should, you know, we could it's a retrospective thing by where we look at ourselves, don't we? Always in relation to these, to to to the to the commandments, you know.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

It's it's a subject that is a very it's enormous, and I think that you could talk about this, you could speak about this, when you look at it, you as soon as you mention that word, you think of of an act of violence. Um, but there are other ways that this comes into through speech, through through control, through manipulation, through uh many other ways, many other ways. So that that this is an enormous subject whatsoever. But when you come to the scripture and you look at what uh the high priest, the high priests murdered. I know what the scripture says very clearly that Jesus said it is finished. Yes, he was in control of that, but the crucifixion is what is the brutal most brutalist death on planet earth. And Christ Christ went to the cross, they whipped him, they beat him. Now we're not talking just about the Roman soldiers, we're not talking about the world, we are talking about what we know, what we know as the Jewish leaders, we are looking at what we see, the the synagogue rulers, we're talking about all the this authority, the authorities, they stood for the authority, and the authorities thought that they took the life of Jesus, but they didn't realise that he was in full charge of his own death. But they wanted, they said, What uh look at Judas, look at that man there. What what will it cost? What will it cost us to give you that we will see him erased? This is so this is the to me, this is the biggest area of of almost murder in in full blatant law. We have a right to take this man to the cross.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Yeah, they did it through um uh their legal system.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

So the legal system, yeah, you look across the legal system across the world, is very different across the world, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

Very, very different. Then you bring it into religion, and that's what we got here, religion.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

So they they believe that uh they they couldn't sneak up and and kill G. They wanted to make a big spectacle of it, they wanted to, you know, make it out, you know, so so they they did it through the legal rights, they did it through the the the Roman law, they did it uh but what they didn't realise that it was written in Genesis.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

They didn't realise that what they was doing was written by the word of God, and they was only doing what was written. So this word is absolutely enormous. And you think how how can you bring it to a completion? You can't, because even through you might you might be at church, you might be living a real fruitful life, you might be just in ministry, you might not have no intentions of fighting or or anything whatsoever, you might never have been in caught in scraps, anything in your life, but you can be brought to this this verse, verse 13, purely by your attitude.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Well, it it's something I I ask, you know, sometimes I when I uh start a talk um wherever I'm going, uh I ask three questions and uh um anyone ever lied? I'll say, has anyone ever stole, or is anyone ever murdered, you see? So they put their hands up to the first two, but when you say murder, no, because but then you go even calling your brother a fool, you're in danger. Have you ever hated anyone in your life? Have you only hated anybody in your life? And the majority of us out there have hated someone at some point in our lives, uh, and so that's akin to murder, and and and we've so we've all fallen short of this one particular thing. Fallen short. We the it's the the bar is so high that we can't make it by ourselves. So we can't make it by ourselves. So look what he he goes on to say, right, and that just just a few words, he really ammers it up, doesn't he? He says, therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar and there and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go away. First be reconciled to your brother and then come and offer your gift. So, how many people out there have got uh long-term arguments and problems with with um with people in their family, with who didn't they never talk to them, uh or or friends that have fallen by the wayside, they've never talked to them. He says, agree with your adversary quickly while you're on your way with him, let your adversary deliver you to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the opposite and you will be thrown into prison. And surely I say to you, you will by no means get out of there until you are paid the last penny. He's given us a warning that if we if we don't if we don't sort out things, you know, you know, life is you wear it all the time, life is too short for all this. It is life is too short, you know, for all this. And we've all got people, I think most of us have got people that you know maybe we don't we don't talk to or whatever. Don't like, don't talk to.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

We've got family grievances. Family is a big thing, innit? We've had a massive argument in the family, we've slammed the door, we've closed the door in that face, but that is more damaging than than we really realise. So attitude and heart condition is is critical to a believer. When when you really look at it, look, I've got a scripture here in Romans, Romans chapter 13, it's a bit of a read, but it's Romans 13, verse 8, and it says, Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuation debt of love, love one another. So important, isn't it? And then it goes on and says, For whoever loves um others has fulfilled the law. So love is really important. So love, God is love, uh, God is hope, and forgiveness, and everything is wrapped up in this word love, and it says the commandments in verse 9 of Romans chapter 13, the commandments, you shall not commit adultery, you know, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, and you shall not cover. And whoever uh the other commandments there may be are summed up in this one commandment love your neighbour as yourself. Love does no harm to your neighbour, therefore, love is the fulfilment of the law. So if I am an aggressive person, if I am a person that does not love my neighbour, I have broke everything without getting out of bed in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

Totally, and it's exactly what we what we said right at the beginning. The first four commandments are about your relationship with Jesus and about your relationship with uh through our uh the our Heavenly Father through Jesus. The next six are love your neighbour as yourself. So, you know, if you yeah, before before you go out of bed in the morning, you're you're in trouble.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

So if it you're in trouble, so it has nothing to do with the physical adultery, it has nothing to do with the physical stealing, it has nothing to do with the physical murder. It is all done and acted within one's heart.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

Yeah, it starts, that's where it starts.

SPEAKER_03 36:58

It starts in the heart, I mean it starts and it's finished and it's done. We understand that the that the physical act, obviously, but when you look at this scripture, it says if you do not love your neighbour as yourself, yeah, you are in serious trouble of breaking every one of them. So where where do I so right, I'm an angry person, I'm a frustrated person, I'm full of pride, arrogance, I've broken everything. So where do I go? I go to the cross.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

You have to go every one of us has to come back there. And and what it says there, do it quickly. Do it quickly, don't let it fester. No. Because you let them them things fester. Believe me, you know, I'm saying this, and and I've probably got half a dozen things festering around in you know inside inside of me that that I have to you have to bring to I we have to bring it, Ben. You know, if we we're gonna do a we're gonna do a uh a podcast on the little foxes at some stage, but these these things destroy your peace. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and and family's the worst, you know. I've got something going on right at the moment with with my with my family on on a couple of levels.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

Uh, and if you let them fester, it becomes a well a drive and a anger and uh and a pride area where I'm not backing down, I'm right, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

But what does the Bible say out of the heart of the mouth speak? So you've got you know, you when when you're in that situation, before you know where you are, you're rattling off. And you've fired bullets, you've lost your wit you've lost your witness. What sort of Christian kind of you're doing?

SPEAKER_03 38:34

And there's no act of love.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

There's no act of love, no.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

And then when you look, so how do I deal with this? The one that was murdered at the cross of Calvary, his life.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Well, how did he deal with it?

SPEAKER_03 38:44

He said, Father, forgive them, for they know no what they do.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

So there's our example. Jesus. We can't do this by ourselves. We you know, we say this all the time. We cannot do this by in the flesh, the flesh would love you to to rock up, you know, and throwing.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Throw a few chairs around. Yeah, yeah. You know, anger and fighting, you know, even if someone isn't taken out physically, it is bad as because it it's within, it's the aggression of the person, it's aggressive attitude. So it starts from within. So how many people have not committed all this stuff as the scripture says? I haven't stolen, I haven't committed adultery, I haven't murdered, um, but I'm an angry man. I'm a f I'm an unforgiving man. So you've just busted, yeah. You've busted everything. I go to church though, but you're not at the cross. There's a difference between going to a building and going to the cross. I've got to go, I don't need a church to go to the cross. The church is not the place that I have to go. I have to go to Jesus Christ. I have to be found at the cross of Calvary.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

And here's the deal, Ben. You know, we're coming at two years of being locked down. We're in a situation, right, where the world is it don't know where it's going, it's it's uh worshipping the the creation, not the not the creator. We're in a real bad situation. So there's a lot of anger out there. There's anger. You know, you see it on a road, don't you? You know, a lot of anger, road rage. A lot of a lot of people even driving down here today on on the M25. You know, you see them but cutting in, cutting out, especially them in the white vans with Elizabeth swallowing on the side of it. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

Yeah, that so there's There's a lot of anger on the motorways.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

Yeah, because people haven't got the anchor of Jesus Christ, people haven't got the hope.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

And why is that?

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Because the Ten Commandments have been erased from where they've been erased from education, they've been erased from from everywhere. So that you know, you know, there's no preaching on conscience, there's no preaching on on sin.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

Do you know this what this murder is you know the it's opened the door to a massive conversation that straight away you read that and you think, well, I'm not a murderer, I've never taken no one's life. But actually, the attitude of the heart is the weapon, is is the most dangerous weapon, and then that is manifested through my speech and the power of of the tongue and the way I deal with when you look at the prophets of old, even you look at um Elijah, Elijah wiped out, Elijah prayed for rain, it rained. Then he wiped out 450 people. He he killed them, but he prayed for a miracle. So you have to really look at this word, murder.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

And there is, you know, and and and so we've got God's law, and then you and then you uh put it into uh the government that we live in, the law that we so there is lawful stuff. I mean, you know, i in the police when I was on a a unit, you know, I was often carrying a gun, and you know, thank the Lord never used it, but but I would have used it. And I would have, you know, I was in a if I was in that situation, I would have killed someone to stop them doing an unlawful act. So there's there's there's lawful stuff.

SPEAKER_03 42:22

And then so that lawful thing is very clear when it's like that, but then it slips into but then it bounces back to you though, doesn't it? Then the law is eras from that though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 42:33

It's that if you if a police officer was to pull the trigger, it's them that's coming under the you come under scrutiny, yeah, because is is it a good shoot? Is it a lawful shoot, or are you just you know foreign off because you didn't like the case? But then then that lawful killing drops into something that's really really you know got a grip on on the world at the mo uh in certain parts of the world, and it's called abortion.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

Yeah. Oh that's a that's an enormous so it's an enormous place.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

That is, you know, the the unlawful killing of a a child in a whoop.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Yeah. When you when you look at yeah, when you look at that, the gift of life, the gift of life from from that point, that that miracle point, that that that that baby growing, that oh gosh, there's even when you look, oh yeah, it's even painful to talk about it, isn't it? When you when you think about what the Bible says.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

But it but here we we we understand, you know, you imagine if if some young girl or or ever's unfortunate to be gang raped and then she's sure. There's horrendous uh deformities they they've pulled out. You underst you can understand from certain standpoints, you know, the actual

SPEAKER_03 44:00

The act look at Herod. Look at Herod when you look at that. We're gonna wipe out every child. When you you think of that, murder is physical murder is all the way through the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

So so it's it's through the Bible. So the but uh we comes back, Ben, to if we're if we're leading a godly life, if we're obeying these ten commandments, so so rather than and again, rather than deal with the symptom, which would be the baby from from yeah, yeah, let's deal with the root, which is education, which is which is um talking about you know if if people out there listened and read and adhered to what the Bible said, then there'd be no sex before marriage, would there? No. And so any any babies who are born would be born into a into a loving biblical family and a biblical relationship. And you know, if you suddenly ban abortions, which some states have done in the United States, well you're just gonna drive it underground, aren't you?

SPEAKER_03 45:06

You know, you got every everything you drive it underground. It doesn't just because the law said no, it happens greater under the table. And and then you go and then it becomes a a dangerous really dangerous place. It's enormous subject.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

It's an enormous subject. I mean, you have the most sympathy with with with uh women out there that have put been put into into making horrendous choices, you know.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

And God loves them, God loves them. But when you when you look at that word murder, and everyone, you know, people will absolutely cringe at this podcast. People are literally gonna go like you're out of order. I'm a godly person. But it's it's it's not the physical act that we're looking at, it is the the attitude of the mind. Beyond the attitude of the mind, it is where is your heart? Where is your heart? You know, look. Look at David. He was I've got to mention David again. He was in the field, he murdered bear and lion, fair enough. He was anointed by that great prophet, that great holy man. He went back to the field, then he went and he he slayed Goliath. Murder. He was chosen to be king, he he was an adulterous man, he was a warrior, he was a fighter, he was God's man, he was the leader of the king of Israel. But while he was the king, he gave a letter. He gave a letter so that the act wasn't done with David's physical strength or a knife, the act was done with his heart.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

With his heart, yeah. Yeah, with his heart. And you know, I know that's really important. It it's massively important.

SPEAKER_03 46:48

See it's everything. And people will put themselves in, well, I haven't got a knife, I haven't got a gun, I haven't done anything. But what's in your heart? What is it it comes down to what is in your heart.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

See, and and Jesus said in them three short words, even calling your brother a fool, you're in danger. Just by your language and your expression.

SPEAKER_03 47:10

No language is very powerful.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

There's there is one person in the Bible who God called a fool. Right. God called a fool, and that was a rich man. Because he said, didn't he? He said, he said, Look, I'm so wealthy in his heart, he's he said, I'm so wealthy, I'm gonna build bigger barns. And God said to him, You fool donut, you fool, tonight your life's gonna be taken. So so you got you right, Ben. This heart thing, we can't get away from it.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

You can't you can't move. We cannot get away from it. You might be a person that lives morally perfectly, the children are being brought up right, you might have this, you might have that, you might not even, you're pushing peace, you're doing all this on the outside, but your heart is rotten. It's not outward.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

So it's what's in. It's what's in. But so what will happen is eventually the fruits of that will come out.

SPEAKER_03 48:13

You'll see it. But when you look at the Bible and you look at that word murder, you you go from the very beginning. When Adam and Eve had their children, murder was in the family. So right from the kick point, right to the end of Revelation, you've got bloodshed all the way through. It's the most thirstic, bloodthirstiest book on earth.

SPEAKER_01 48:31

Yeah, people say it's a blood bloody religion, and it is a bloody religion. Blood had to be spilled for life to begin. For life to begin. And and and in those days before Christ, blood had to be spilt for the for the forgiveness of sins, didn't it? But you know, with one sacrifice once and for all.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

When you look at Christianity, isn't it funny that the church in the UK makes it all fluffy and cows, clouds, and scones and cups of tea, when actually you really look tea becker? More tea becker. Nice life of cake, yes, please, thank you. But when you look at Christianity, when you look at Christianity, it is the most bloodthirst religion. I don't even like it. When you look at the Bible, right from the right from the garden from Genesis, it talks about Abbot Adam and Abba Adam Costello. Adam and Eve gave birth to their sons, and jealousy came in. Fear came in. Territorial position came in. Listen, Ben. It's a heart was at the day one.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

But religion has got a lot to answer for, ain't it? Because you know, there's been there's battles in most countries between Catholics and Protestants, where they've been murdered, martyred, yeah, killed in the name of religion.

SPEAKER_03 49:58

So when you look at that Which is which is Yeah, I'm justified doing what I'm doing because I'm doing it in the holy way. I'm doing it because I'm right. Burn 'em at the stake.

SPEAKER_01 50:10

You know, because you're a heretic. Well, I believe in Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 50:14

I believe in Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

But you don't believe in our Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

Burn them. Burn them. So when you look at generations, no wonder he says you're adulterous and murderous generation.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

But because that's the heart, innit, Ben.

SPEAKER_03 50:28

You can't get away from the fact is what you are in that no one can see. And what I love in uh Simon mentioned that I do talk about the earth suit. Now, the reason I've I'd speak about that is because if you were to look in Genesis, this makes me laugh. It says God made them a suit of skin. Right? So it's all within, it's all within the perimeters. This this is all within my skin. So you can't get away from the fact that if I am not loving, I am an adulteress generation, I'm a st I'm a thief, I'm a murderer, I am I'm everything because I am not loving. I've broken the law.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Paul puts it, doesn't he, in Corinthians 13, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 51:14

Does he? Does the church talk about him? Paul. What did he do?

SPEAKER_01 51:19

He said What good was he? What did he write? He's in my Bible, but um Oh yeah, sorry, I've got man's Bible. But he said, doesn't he, if you you know you can do all this stuff without love, you're like a clanking symbol, empty. It's meaningless, it's meaningless. It's isn't love is the greatest thing. Because Ben, you know, I come back to to that Jeremiah 17 9, depravity, which is you know, the heart is more deceitful than all else, is desperately sick. Who can understand it? Well, you can't understand that heart, can you?

SPEAKER_03 51:51

So it's fallen from the garden, and that's what we have to understand is that we have fallen from the taking of the tree.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

These these ten commandments are God's, they ain't resolutions, as you said before. These are commandments, these are commandments. Not not can you possibly could you give it away. Because he loved this world so much that he not only did he give us Jesus, but he gave us these commandments. And and when you look at them, and we've gone into them, and if you sort of start to uh bring them into play and and go look at your heart and go, what did Billy Graham say?

SPEAKER_03 52:32

I broke all of them. I broke all of them. But when you look at Billy Graham, I would say one of the greatest God's anointed preachers that brought a message for that particular generation, and that was fitting and that was right, and he was happy to stand up there and go, I busted them all. Yeah, but he's never drawn a knife, he never he never pulled the gun. And he says the attitude of the mind and the heart.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

He says, I can't keep these in the flesh. He said, and there's no one. He talked to thousands, and he says, No one here could keep these in the flesh.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

It's impossible because of the heart. Because of your heart. It comes all the way back through, then it strips everybody else away from you, it strips all the weaponry, it strips everything away, and it leaves you in a room with you and the cross and Jesus going, I can see your heart. I can see your heart. Your heart. Lip service. You haven't physically hit anybody, you haven't, you haven't had an accident in in a vehicle, but your heart is as more dangerous than a gun.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

So then maybe you're a bang on me. And uh so maybe uh there'll be people listening to this who are are living a faith or are trying to understand the Bible in their heads. But the deal is let that just drop, I don't know, twelve or so inches to your heart. Goodness gracious. And the number one commandment is love the Lord your God with all your heart, your mind, your soul. Then love with all your heart. If you're not there's a if you're not started there, if you haven't got that, then you haven't got relationship with with Jesus, have you?

SPEAKER_03 54:03

No, and then I think as Simon's saying that, you've got to look at when the Potter's house, you know, the master working the clay. We're clay in the master's hands, and he has to be brutal with that clay, he has to shape that, and it can take hours, it can take weeks, it can take years of this stuff, this anger festering inside this unforgiving.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Time and time again, you've got to hand them. That's why Paul says, doesn't he? In uh I think it's Corinthians, isn't it? Um I don't know, uh, where he says um take every thought captive.

SPEAKER_03 54:37

Oh that that that scripture alone, take every every thought. Now, what thoughts are they? The thoughts that break the Ten Commandments.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:45

Take every every thought captive, nail it to the cross of Calvary, give it to Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 54:52

Give it to Jesus, yeah. So and that's not just a I'm gonna I'm telling you out of there that uh Ben, that's not just a a one-time deal. That is you can't do that if if you if you've got something in your life that's coming at you, you've got to do that every minute of every day until you get victory. It's the cross. It's the cross. You've got to bring it to the cross, bring it to the foot of the cross, bring it to the cross, bring it to Christ. Jesus, look, take this away from me. Take this away from me. That's why we've got the scriptures.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

That's why we got the scriptures, we're out of it. We're 55 minutes in. Whoa. That's like it's a mass, it's a word, isn't it? That word murder, you think, well, it don't apply to me. Um, but it's not the physical, because that word opens up the envelope of the spiritual, the language, the attitude, the pride, the arrogance, the way that I live, the way that I treat people. It's a big word.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

You you I mean you as we come to a close, you've you've said it, and is all of these commandments deal with the the heart, the heart, and and when we get we we go somewhere to get that right, then all our outward actions will be wrong. Yeah, that's right. Won't they?

SPEAKER_03 56:05

Seek ye first the kingdom of God. Wherever you are, you know, it's a big subject, a very difficult word to tackle. It honestly, it really has. It's honest. I'm I'm literally thrown on this one because it's you you almost remove yourself from that one and go, nah, not me.

SPEAKER_01 56:21

When actually it is you, it is me. You're right up to your neck in it. You're up to your neck in all of it, and something next week, Ben, where you're gonna be over your neck in it. I don't know. Yeah, I was gonna say, you're gonna be with us next week. Next week next week. You can deal with that on your own.

SPEAKER_03 56:37

You're talking about adultery again in your head. Um stuff on the tell. Stuff on Coronation Street.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

We'll get into it next week, but that again is where your heart is.

SPEAKER_03 56:49

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SPEAKER_01 57:25

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SPEAKER_03 57:27

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