A Load of BS on Sport: The Behavioural Science Podcast with Daniel Ross and Liam Botham

044: Steve Martin on influence, persuasion and delivering the right message

August 30, 2022 Daniel Ross Season 1 Episode 44
A Load of BS on Sport: The Behavioural Science Podcast with Daniel Ross and Liam Botham
044: Steve Martin on influence, persuasion and delivering the right message
Show Notes


Steve Martin is a behaviorial science practitioner and a leading member of Dr Robert Cialdini's consultancy Influence at Work, where he heads up the UK practice. 

Steve is a Royal Society nominated author and a co-author with Bob Cialdini on a number of books, including their most recent tome, alongside Dr Noah Goldstein, Messengers, Who We Listen to, Who We Don’t and Why. This is a timely exploration of why some people in society are listened to and why others are ignored regardless of the truth or wisdom of their message; a subject we address today. In all, Steve's books have sold in excess of 1.5 million copies.

Show notes

  • The work and influence of Bob Cialdini over nearly 50 years
  • What leads us to say “Yes” to a request
  • What came before Bob, codifying social psychology for everyone and making it accessible
  • Immunisation of influence techniques
  • How a waiter/waitress can increase their tips through reciprocity
  • Small Bigs: creating big impacts with small changes
  • What makes some people better communicators than others?
  • Why are self-confident ignoramuses so often believed and why are thoughtful experts ignored?
  • In an increasingly information overloaded world, the messenger has become the message
  • Hard (perceived status and dominance) and soft (making connection with others) messengers
  • How truth and trust work together. How can you trust someone who lies to you?
  • How do we use influence techniques for good in a world of disinformation?
  • Influence and sports management: history is important, but recency keeps the score
  • What Steve has learnt from co-authorship

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