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You"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1566.52,"endTime":1569.97,"body":"know, in your opinion, across"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1566.52,"endTime":1569.97,"body":"like the real estate industry,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1570.27,"endTime":1574.32,"body":"where do you see the largest"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1570.27,"endTime":1574.32,"body":"growth and opportunities, and"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1574.32,"endTime":1577.62,"body":"how do you see cinemas land"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1574.32,"endTime":1577.62,"body":"actually capitalizing on these"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1577.62,"endTime":1578.28,"body":"trends as well?"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1579.93,"endTime":1583.77,"body":"Yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1579.93,"endTime":1583.77,"body":"believe for the you know,"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1583.77,"endTime":1589.08,"body":"future, the largest good"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1583.77,"endTime":1589.08,"body":"opportunity lies in, you know,"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1590.31,"endTime":1594.6,"body":"developing a smart and"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1590.31,"endTime":1594.6,"body":"sustainable urban environments"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1595.47,"endTime":1598.71,"body":"that basically leverage"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1595.47,"endTime":1598.71,"body":"technology to enhance the"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1598.71,"endTime":1606.96,"body":"quality of life and Sinarmas"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1598.71,"endTime":1606.96,"body":"Land has been deeply focused on"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1607.29,"endTime":1611.28,"body":"investing in digital"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1607.29,"endTime":1611.28,"body":"infrastructure, forming a very"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1611.28,"endTime":1615.33,"body":"strategic partnership with tax"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1611.28,"endTime":1615.33,"body":"fostering innovation to"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1615.33,"endTime":1621.6,"body":"initiative these efforts aim to"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1615.33,"endTime":1621.6,"body":"create ecosystem that basically"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1621.6,"endTime":1625.11,"body":"support those technology"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1621.6,"endTime":1625.11,"body":"advancement."},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1626.76,"endTime":1629.25,"body":"Understand,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1626.76,"endTime":1629.25,"body":"understand, and in your opinion,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1629.25,"endTime":1636.54,"body":"right for Indonesia or even"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1629.25,"endTime":1636.54,"body":"across the ASEAN region, what"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1636.63,"endTime":1639.87,"body":"areas or like, what kind of"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1636.63,"endTime":1639.87,"body":"topics or what kind of trends"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1639.87,"endTime":1642.45,"body":"excites you the most? 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So this,"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1681.81,"endTime":1689.01,"body":"this CREATE A SUSTAINABLE you"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1689.01,"endTime":1693.36,"body":"know, urban will be a very much"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1689.01,"endTime":1693.36,"body":"focused for us,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1694.71,"endTime":1696.72,"body":"Understand,"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1694.71,"endTime":1696.72,"body":"understand, Pak Darwin, thank"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1696.72,"endTime":1700.17,"body":"you very much for sharing your"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1696.72,"endTime":1700.17,"body":"insights with us today. You"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1700.17,"endTime":1702.51,"body":"know, we've heard a lot about"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1700.17,"endTime":1702.51,"body":"how Sinarmas Land is"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1702.51,"endTime":1707.52,"body":"transforming BSD city into a"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1702.51,"endTime":1707.52,"body":"smart, digital and sustainable"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1707.52,"endTime":1710.31,"body":"city, as well focusing on that"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1707.52,"endTime":1710.31,"body":"energy transformation you"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1710.31,"endTime":1714.45,"body":"mentioned earlier, as well"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1710.31,"endTime":1714.45,"body":"mobility and also being in a"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1714.45,"endTime":1718.53,"body":"healthy environment. We also"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1714.45,"endTime":1718.53,"body":"hope that the audience did take"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1718.53,"endTime":1721.8,"body":"away a lot from your sharing"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1718.53,"endTime":1721.8,"body":"today, and we certainly look"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1721.8,"endTime":1724.59,"body":"forward to more conversations"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1721.8,"endTime":1724.59,"body":"with you. Thank you for joining"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Kwan","startTime":1724.59,"endTime":1724.95,"body":"us"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1725.28,"endTime":1727.23,"body":"Likewise,"},{"speaker":"Darwin, Sinar Mas Land","startTime":1725.28,"endTime":1727.23,"body":"thank you for the opportunity."},{"speaker":"AIBP","startTime":1729.45,"endTime":1732.69,"body":"We hope you've enjoyed the"},{"speaker":"AIBP","startTime":1729.45,"endTime":1732.69,"body":"episode. 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