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Comedian Liz Glazer Returns to SOPAC with "Big Waitlist Energy"
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If you’ve ever wondered if it’s too late to make a change, today’s guest may give you renewed faith in second acts. Liz Glazer is a former tenured law professor turned actor and standup comic.
Her comedy special Do You Know Who I’m Not? is now streaming on YouTube and she has appeared on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, , Don’t Tell Comedy, Nate Bargatze’s The Showcase and has opened for renowned comedians including Maria Bamford, Judy Gold, and Myq Kaplan.
Liz draws on her unique life experiences—as a former lawyer, law professor, a lesbian, a rabbi’s wife and a mother — bringing insight and laughter to audiences across the country. She performs regularly at top comedy clubs and festivals, as well as at law firms, law schools, synagogues, theaters and corporate events.
And she is now bringing her upcoming special, Big Waitlist Energy, to the South Orange Performing Arts Center this September. Gina had a blast chatting with Liz and we think you’ll enjoy their conversation.
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Second Acts And A Bold Career Pivot
Gina Marie RodriguezThis is Gina Marie Rodriguez, and you're listening to the Jersey Arts Podcast. If you've ever wondered if it's too late to make a change, today's guest may give you renewed faith in Second Acts. Liz Glazer is a former tenured law professor, turned actor, and stand-up comic. Her comedy special, Do You Know Who I'm Not, is now streaming on YouTube, and she has appeared on The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon, Don't Tell Comedy, Nate Fargate's The Showcase, and has opened for renowned comedians including Maria Bamford, Judy Gold, and Mike Kaplan. Liz draws on her unique life experiences as a former lawyer, law professor, a lesbian, a rabbi's wife, and a mother, bringing insight and laughter to audiences across the country. She performs regularly at top comedy clubs and festivals, as well as at law firms, law schools, synagogues, theaters, and corporate events. And she's now bringing her upcoming special Big Waitlist Energy to the South Orange Performing Arts Center this September. I had a blast chatting with Liz, and I think you'll enjoy our conversation. Stay tuned to see if I'm right.
New Jersey Identity And Funny Tangents
Gina Marie RodriguezOh my gosh. Well, I am so excited to meet you and to talk to you. You are from New Jersey, is that correct?
Liz GlazerIt well, yes. I mean, so here's the thing: like, with, and and you would not have expected that just asking me where I'm from would set off like at least four to ten thoughts over here. Um, so I think, yes, I am from New Jersey, but I was born in New York City. Now, to be fair, New Jerseyans, I don't think, care as much as New Yorkers about whether one is or isn't a transplant, just to play into the zeitgeist of recent, you know, about that specifically. But of course, this has been in our world forever. So, like I went to high school in New York City, for example, but I always was sure to say, well, I'm from New Jersey. But the thing that happens if you say you're from New Jersey is then invariably somebody's like, Oh, do you know insert name of town that's probably next door to your town that you've literally never heard of? And then you're like, no, and it turns out it's like 0.2 miles away. Who knew? And nobody really like is, I think, that proprietary about New Jersey. Whereas if I said I was from New York, people are like, which part? And then I have to say New Jersey, which is obviously the best part of New York.
Gina Marie RodriguezI find this so relatable because I'm speaking as a geographically challenged person. You can ask me about the town over, and I will have no idea.
Liz GlazerSame. Same, same, same. Yeah. I can't even tell right. No, left from right. And then it's like I'm looking and I'm like, which one is an L? And my name is Liz. So, oh sorry. This is I have to do the do not disturb. I recently had, not to brag, an eight and a half hour genius appointment. And uh literally, like at the Apple store, they're like, we need to get you a shirt. And they were gonna hire me, like, not for being a genius, just for adversely possessing my seat, I guess. But uh they did fix my computer, but there are certain like notifications that like I knew how to work my computer as it had been and not so much as it is now, which is better and worse, which I think is like what happens at a genius appointment. Well, that's my favorite tangent. I don't even want to cut that because that's no, you you needn't cut anything. All of this is fair game, including. I mean, I figured I would I would be scenic about the whole thing and put myself right in front of the washer dryer. So this, you know, I'm not in New York, by the way, because there's no way that I would have this in New York.
Gina Marie RodriguezHonestly, I couldn't tell what it was at first. It looked like it might be like a mirrored art piece for a second, but you that's we'll go with that, Gina.
Liz GlazerLike that's it's it is an art piece, it's uh abstract for sure.
Gina Marie RodriguezFor those, for those who can't see Liz right now, it is a very uh aesthetically pleasing washer dryer.
Liz GlazerYeah, it's kind of like the bean in Chicago, uh, but right in my I don't even know what this room is. Not quite a room.
Gina Marie RodriguezHonestly, I can see the the uh bean comparison.
Liz GlazerAre we in a closet or yeah, we are in a closet, back in the closet for me. Yeah.
Gina Marie RodriguezOkay, all right, but I'm happy to join you there. So thank you for going in.
Liz GlazerThank you. I usually wasn't alone.
From Law And Teaching To Comedy
Gina Marie RodriguezI mean, that that is a valid comment. Uh-huh. Um, I so I'm fascinated by your trajectory, let's say, because I know that you began as a lawyer and as someone who maybe was considering, you know, jumping into that uh field. I want to know, firstly, did you ever truly want to be a lawyer or did you feel pressured to go in that direction?
Liz GlazerYeah, I mean, it's a good question because I think it's a complicated question because, you know, it it calls to mind like what really is a want at 18 years old or whatever. So I I think the simplest way to understand it, going from you know, being a lawyer to being a comedian, um, is I had immigrant parents, they definitely were like really pushing, like you have to have a profession and you know, that kind of thing. And it was like very much this like, you know, like Holocaust survivor, grandchild um inheritance, you know, that that that was sort of what I was walking in. And I do think that that played a part, but I think it wouldn't be intellectually honest of me to stop it there because I knew that I wanted to be at the front of the room talking. I think that's how I got to teaching law, which was the bulk of what I did when I was, you know, a lawyer, like using my law degree. And I did, you know, when I think back to times when I was practicing and times when I was teaching, there were times that I liked it, you know, like like I do shows now, um, in addition to like comedy clubs and and soap, which of course I'm doing on September 19th at 8 p.m. And I encourage people to get tickets. It's just gonna be a great show. It's called Big Waitlist Energy because I I have it. I my wait list is huge. But I think that like I look back at certain times, you know, doing the work of it, and I did really enjoy it. You know, like writing a paper and I got really into the argumentation of it. And to be honest, it's not that different from when I'm putting together a set. Because number one, I think there are a lot of parallels to uh, I mean, really lawyering and a lot of creative work, but like putting together an argument and writing a joke or writing a bit aren't that different because ultimately it's like, okay, what do I think about this? What's my evidence that I'm bringing to bear that gives people like a way into where my brain is, because ultimately it's just the transmission of ideas, which is the same as teaching, law, or anything else. And so I think there's a lot there. And also, like, I think about writing law review articles, which was like the real currency of what I did. I would write these, you know, 80 to 100 page, heavily footnoted about minutia pieces of writing. And that was what I did when I was a professor. And when I think about like what it takes to construct like an hour-long set and what it took to construct those pieces, it's the same. And of course, like, you know, peppering with jokes and all that. First of all, I would do that sometimes in law review articles, definitely when I was teaching law, and definitely, definitely when I'm doing comedy. I think the only difference is that now I'm really like mining the sets and listening back and making sure that there's enough of those laughter moments, which of course, like I didn't care about explicitly when I was teaching law or writing about law in the same way for sure. But like, in order for a piece to be a piece, it has to have the beginning, the middle, and the end, and people have to hook in from an ideas level, not a jokes level, because the jokes, even if you're doing comedy for comedy's sake, are still the applesauce that the aspirin gets put into. And I think that's a good thing. Like, I enjoy it when I'm he watching a comedy special, seeing a comedian live. I love that I laugh at the jokes. And also I'm like, what is this person saying? That matters to me. And I think it matters. I I honestly do think it matters to everybody. It's just a question of like how conscious one might be of whether it matters and how. Um, so yeah, I think there are a lot of parallels. And in terms of the trajectory, I don't know, somebody I had a crush on told me to do it, and I do what I'm told.
Gina Marie RodriguezWell, you know what? I really appreciate that explanation, but I like that tie-in because I do think that there is some existing pipeline, not just you, but like between actors, comedians, and law school. Um but we so I actually work as um an assistant professor at uh Rutgers University. And that is something that we tell our students often like you can take a theater class and it will help you in any career you choose to move into. If you can understand how to think like another person, if you can learn to speak in a room full of people, that will help you no matter where you are. But I I love that that trajectory has obviously worked to your benefit.
Liz GlazerSo yeah, no, totally. I mean, I remember a conversation that I had with an advisor uh at where I went to college, and it was like I designed a major and there was like a theater class in it, which I ended up taking. And it was great. And and I don't remember, like I I'm an actor now. I don't know how much of that, you know, really dates back to and relates to that theater class. But I remember when I was designing this individualized major, which I was uh convinced out of, which I think was a good idea. I was a philosophy major and I would then go on to get a master's in philosophy. Um, and this was like, you know, before law school or whatever. But um, but I think that the reason I was convinced out of the individualized major was this per this advisor was like, if you are a philosophy major or a linguistics major or a theater major, somebody who might be hiring you or looking at your resume can at least say you were a this major and understand what you are. Whereas the individualized major is like you're a nothing, which I I did think was good advice. Um, though, of course, you know, as with all advice, people may disagree. Um, but it worked out well for for me. But um, yeah, I think that's right. Like in terms of learning, if you're learning is applicable to anything. I really believe that. So anyway, yeah, that's the trajectory.
Writing Jokes Like Building Arguments
Gina Marie RodriguezI'm also of the belief that some of the best actors, some of the most talented comedians are the smartest people and the most well educated because you have a wealth of knowledge to mine from, right? And I I'm thinking right now, I'm going way back to George Carlin, who I was not into politics at all, but I was actually able to learn through his humor about politics. And I I wonder if, in the same way, like you have a knowledge, an existing knowledge of the legal system. And has that ever I mean, we were talking guess about how you write it influenced that, but I don't know. I guess I don't know what my question was. Sure, sure.
Liz GlazerI mean, I I always hesitate to put myself in any kind of a camp where it's like, oh yeah, I'm of the smartest or whatever. Because I I just don't think that about myself for me. Um, you know, uh I I'm really trying my best, like in all ways. Um, yeah, so I'm always like cautious about that. And then I mean, you know, whether some of my comedian colleagues are or aren't of among the smartest. I mean, the ones who'd believe that they are are definitely not. Um, and the ones the ones who don't might be drunk and passed out. And so, you know, it's it, I don't know. Like, I'm not here to say that anybody is or isn't anything really, but like um, I get what you mean. And I think that in order to like it's interesting because the reason that you said it is because there's sort of this background knowledge. I actually think of it, it might, it might subsume some parts of why you said what you said, but I think it's that like there is something uh perhaps inherently smart about the person who is taking in the world, everything around them, and being like, wait, that's funny though. And I do think that there is a smartness that inheres in that practice about the thing that is noticed, observed, processed, written about, delivered in such a way that causes an entire room full of people to have an involuntary response at the exact same moment. So I think that what goes into the work of making that happen requires intelligence for sure. And of course, like the commitment to devoting one's life to the pursuit of that, you know, every 10 seconds for an hour. Yeah, that it's hard work and and it's fun work, but it is also intense work. And it does require um, it requires intelligence, but a lot of things do, you know, like I I'm not a surgeon, I'm not an architect, I'm not even really a lawyer.
Gina Marie RodriguezWell, uh yes. I mean, what is that joke? I'm I'm not a comedian, so I'm gonna butcher the joke, but uh, you know, even the guy who graduated at the bottom of his med school class is still a doctor, right? Is still a comedian. Yeah. But I I get what you're saying, and there is a spectrum of like imposter syndrome to Dunning Kruger, and you know, we're all somewhere in the middle of the buttons you may not want to uh speak, you know, or or tout your your own talents, but I can. I can do that for you. So that's that's what I believe. I'll do yours after. Okay, great. I'm looking forward to it. I was secretly fishing for that.
Why Smart Comedy Starts With Meaning
Gina Marie RodriguezBut I do want to talk to you about you mentioned the title of your upcoming show, Big Waitlist Energy. So can you tell me where that title comes from and what folks can expect?
Liz GlazerYeah, totally. I mean, everything in my life I I have gotten has been through a wait list of some kind. And so I I believe that the title arose when I was doing a show for lawyers, actually at a law firm. And I was like, you know, I had a variety of stories. Usually for me, that's where things begin is I'll have like, oh yeah, that happened and this happened and that happened, I'll put them all together and write them out, punch them up, you know, for the the laugh lines and stuff like that. But then as I'm trying to construct something, often a theme will emerge and and big wait list energy was that because I was like, I was like thinking about, you know, how I got into college and how I got into law school. And then I mean, I don't, you know, some of the the stuff is a little like meta and show business-y, which may not make it into the final show, but like how I got my manager, you know, which whatever. But everything really is a function for me of like, and I I'm I consider myself sort of like scrappy and ambitious, where it's like a wait list is an invitation for me to prove myself. Um, and I do think that also, you know, I've been to too much therapy to not see the connections with like, you know, making my parents proud and my grandparents and like making it worth, you know, the wait list of getting into America from Europe, uh, you know, off of a literal boat, um, in order to make this all worth it. So I think what people can expect from big wait list energy from my show, from seeing me, you know, at SOPAC or or otherwise, is that kind of an energy of like, oh yeah, this person's like working hard, there's a lot of energy there. And then the stories in particular that I'm focusing on for this hour relate to, you know, getting off wait lists and things like that. And and it's stuff that I started thinking about, and I think this is relevant for what people can expect as well, um, as I started parenting, because I have a three-year-old daughter. And so as I think about, you know, like getting her into which schools and and that kind of thing, I think back to how obsessed my parents were about those types of decisions. And they came at that obsession because they were like, well, how are we gonna make it in America? You know, this new country for us. Meanwhile, I mean, I'm like getting my Latvian citizenship because that's the the current thing that people can do is, you know, if you have that available to you, um, to do that. And I just started thinking. I was like, okay, what kind of parent do I want to be? And how do I transmute this like, I don't know, that the stick toitiveness and the obsessions that I have in getting to wherever I've gotten to, this closet and laundry room, um, specifically to my daughter, in order to help her make the best decisions, and how can I make the best decisions on her behalf? Uh, and I did get her into daycare off the wait list, literally.
Big Waitlist Energy And Parenting Pressure
Liz GlazerSo it all comes, you know, it is intergenerational.
Gina Marie RodriguezI love that. But you just brought up um, I guess the immigrant experience to a degree. And I did want to ask, what was the experience when you said, you know what? I'm not gonna do the law thing anymore. I'm gonna become a comedian. How did your parents react to that?
Liz GlazerYeah. I mean, well, my mother was like, What are you gonna do for money? I told her I could prostitute, and you know, she didn't take that well. Um uh, and I don't, you know what's funny is I don't think I ever actually told my dad in true, like, I guess, I don't know, immigrant family, heteronormative, I don't know what element of it it is. Like my mom eventually told my dad, and that was how he found out, as he found out about everything.
Gina Marie RodriguezThat is interesting. I I guess I wouldn't have expected that, um, only because it's not my personal experience. Um both of my parents were from this country. So I just kind of barked things at them and uh was constantly called a disrespectful child. Uh-huh. Okay. Um yeah. Yeah. So I love that you mentioned your daughter, but you also mentioned uh your wife. And I kind of wanted to ask you about what is it like to be married to a rabbi?
Liz GlazerMm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, it's it's intense um for sure. Like I think there's nothing like having a clergy person as a spouse when you're a comedian to make it's like I'm figuring out like what can be funny about sneezing or you know, something like that. And she's literally, I think there was one night where like I had to do a show, like a set in the city or something, and my wife had to marry people in a hospital room so that their dying parent could witness it. Like just, you know, the gravity of like what she does versus the inanity of what I do uh is present to me at all times.
Gina Marie RodriguezYeah, I mean that there's definitely a different uh weight or a magnitude to that.
Liz GlazerYeah, yeah, yeah.
Gina Marie RodriguezBut I also think of, and I say this as someone who is not Jewish, but has been to Temple a number of times and always had a lot of fun at Temple. I always thought, not to disrespect the Catholic priest that I grew up with, but like I thought that rabbis were just so much cooler and so much more entertaining.
Liz GlazerUh-huh.
Gina Marie RodriguezUm, and I know that there's a lot of work and effort that goes into uh I don't know the proper like names for anything, but the speeches that they give uh at temple as well. So I wonder if you ever sit and write together.
Liz GlazerWe do. Um, so my wife is really funny and uh and I like to think that I don't know that I'm like good at writing a sermon specifically, but I feel like my favorite type of of speech is a sermon. Like I love, I love, you know. I mean, being taken to church, like that type of experience where I feel moved, I feel inspired. Like that's really what I always want. And I try to do that comedically as well. You know, like it's always my desire to say something meaningful that somebody can take with them to feel better. Uh, and I of course want to make people laugh, but I feel like, you know, there's a lot of talk in comedy about kind of the athleticism of comedy, like, you know, make them laugh every so and so seconds and that kind of thing. I think that's important. And I also really do want to say something meaningful. Um, and I think that comes from just, I don't know, like, yeah, like I love a graduation speech. Like, I love that kind of stuff, you know? And so, yes, we definitely go through material together before, and my wife is a very funny person, she's an amazing person, she's a very thoughtful person and a great writer. Um, so I take full advantage of her and that.
Gina Marie RodriguezI think, yeah, I think that's really admirable. And I I wonder, I've asked this of people before, and I don't know if you see it the same way, but like to be in a relationship with someone where you both have similar skill sets, uh-huh. Is do you find that that serves your relationship or that it causes you to butt heads more often?
Liz GlazerI don't think for us that it causes us to butt heads. Um, I mean, not that we I'm not here saying we never do. Like, you know, of course we do. I I I feel like I never know where anything is in my house. And that's like a big source of tension sometimes for us. So I'm not here saying like we never fight or anything like that, because I just always find it annoying when people say that. But um, but I don't think it causes us to butt heads specifically. Well, my notes on her sermons can cause us to butt heads. That's true. That's definitely true because I really love a sermon and I love, I know exactly what I like in a sermon. I feel like I had this experience at my bot mitzva, which I plan to talk about on stage on September 19th. I mean, it is the week between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. So you definitely don't have to be Jewish to enjoy the show. And and certainly there, I know people who are coming who are of you know different religions and denominations and and all kinds of things. That said, it being that week between, you know, arguably the two holiest days of the year. And if you're listening and you're like, but Shabbos, then you're annoying. But um, anyway, but so of course, in that time, you know, there there is a certain weight, like a high holy day weight that will be part of the show for sure, thematically or otherwise. But um, but I have a story about my Bot Mitzvah speech, which I will tell at the show. And I think because I had that origin in like Jewish speaking, I guess, I really care about sermons. And so, you know, we really talk a lot about her sermons, and over the years we've gotten to a point where she'll only bring me in at a certain point, because otherwise, like we'll fight in a way that's undesirable for everybody. But yeah, like I think it's a great marriage. I mean, I guess literally, but also like you know, comedian and rabbi because it's not like we're in the same field, you know, because we're not like I'm not seeing her at clubs when we're you know what I mean. Like, so I don't think I don't think it has that yet.
Gina Marie RodriguezYeah, true. But no, I I love that. I just I'm always fascinated by uh other people's relationships, which I guess I shouldn't really be asking about. But um, I I appreciate you placating me. And thank you for teaching me the word sermon. I can't believe I couldn't remember that.
Liz GlazerOh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, of course.
Gina Marie RodriguezNow now I remember, but I I also am a fan of a good sermon. And I agree that you know, comedians, often actors who have to give speeches at like award shows or whatever, tend to lean towards the sermon-esque approach. Yeah. Yeah.
Liz GlazerIt's it's great. Like, it's like, I don't know. I mean, you have a microphone, say something, like something, you know? So I always think about that because it's like, it's like whenever, whenever I'm like starting to construct a set, I'm just like, what am I saying? And sometimes, you know, comedian friends of mine are like, well, I don't know, like, but that's funny, and that's funny. And I'm like, right, but like, but what am I saying? And I really care like a lot.
Gina Marie RodriguezWell, I'm grateful that you do. And I think that it's a of course, it's a common, I don't know if I should call it a complaint or just um a realization today that people are saying, if you have a platform, use it. Yeah, and in the same way, if you if you have a stage and you have an audience, you should want to say something.
Liz GlazerYeah, totally. Right. And and I don't mean like, you know, coded politics or anything like that. I just mean like, you know, what have you learned? What do you believe? What can you impart, you know, that feels earned from your life, like that kind of thing.
Gina Marie RodriguezYeah. I think any and all kinds of art should make us think to some degree or analyze ourselves.
Liz GlazerRight. I get that.
Rabbi Spouse Life And A SOPAC Invite
Liz Glazer...
Gina Marie RodriguezI will, I guess, take this opportunity to just let you say whatever you'd like to say to audiences who may be interested in coming to see you at SOPAC.
Liz GlazerOh, totally. Yeah, please do. Definitely, please do. I mean, listen, I'm not saying it counts as services, but like if you haven't gotten your ticket to High Holy Days, I feel like it's a good substitute and honestly a great deal. Um, and uh I think you know, if you if you enjoy fun comedy, like New York City style comedy, like in your hometown, you don't have to pay congestion pricing, you don't have to pay a toll. I mean, there might be eight closed roads between your house and so pack, but that's just, you know, it it it would be worse if we held the show at 3 30, because then you'd also have to battle the school buses. So I think I think it's a great time. It's a great show, and it's a lot of fun. You know, let's bring in fall together. I think there's a 10% off that you get if you have dinner at, I believe it's Arioshi and also BGR across the street. So like take advantage of that. An opportunity to park in the parking lot at Soapak, um, and not pay, you know, as you would when you're taking the train because it's nighttime. So all of those are reasons to come. Saturday, September 19th, 8 p.m., Soapak.
Gina Marie RodriguezWhat does it say about me that free parking is what really sold it?
Liz GlazerI'm with you, Gina. That I mean, it's yeah, it will be a pretty like already, it's not quite sold out yet, but like it's getting there, and I do expect it will. And so, you know, you might have to park in the New Jersey transit station attendance spot. And I cannot guarantee that that's legal, but I do still have my law license. So in the event that you do get a ticket, I can advise you to call somebody else.
Gina Marie RodriguezGreat. At least your law degree is still coming in handy.
Liz GlazerExactly.
Gina Marie RodriguezYou've been fantastic. Thank you so much for course, Gina.
Liz GlazerThank you so much. Thank you, thank you for having me.
Gina Marie RodriguezAs she said, Liz Glazer will be at SOPAC on September 19th at 8 p.m. in South Orange. Tickets are selling fast, so if you don't want to end up on the wait list, make sure to buy your tickets now. For more information about Liz Glazer's big wait list energy, be sure to visit soapacnow.org. If you liked this episode, be sure to review, subscribe, and tell your friends. A transcript of this podcast, links relevant to the story, and more about the arts in New Jersey can be found at jerseyarts.com. The JerseyArts Podcast is presented by Art Pride New Jersey, advancing a state of creativity since 1986. The show was co founded by and currently supported by funds from the New Jersey State Council on the Arts. This episode was hosted, edited, and produced by me, Gina Marie Rodriguez. Executive producers are Jim Atkinson and Isaac Serna-Diez. And my thanks, of course, to Liz Glazer for speaking with me today. I'm Gina Marie Rodriguez for the Jersey Arts Podcast. Thanks for listening.
