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SPEAKER_00 0:00

For those who don't know exactly who you are, can you just give a quick a quick bio of yourself?

SPEAKER_04 0:04

Sure, sure. My name is uh Robert Grant. I am a polymath and an entrepreneur. Uh what does polymath mean? It means it's someone who has has sort of rejected being put into a label of only one area. I'm a I'm a music theorist, I'm a mathematician, I'm into geometry in a major way, I'm into Egyptology and ancient knowledge, uh, mysticism, esoterica. I also have a podcast. I'm an entrepreneur. I founded 11 companies. I've uh been CEO of companies from the size of, you know, one person and just for myself, starting out, and then all the way up to almost 30,000 people. Uh, when I was at uh Baushan Loam. I've had all kinds of fun experiences in my life. And this last 10 years or so, I've really gotten more into understanding kind of the mysteries and um wanted to kind of understand who I am as well, because I think that's the ultimate reason for being here in this holographic matrix experience that we're all living.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

So, yeah, let's get into it. You know, obviously I wrote the book Fractal Holographic Universe, and you're right, I did take years to put this book together because it's a culmination of my knowledge and research. I did my very first three and a half hour lecture on this topic at Contact in the Desert in 2017. And a lot of my research from 2017 is what went into the bulk of this book. And then having the pleasure of meeting with uh Sylvester James Gates Jr. several times. Uh, you know, he's an incredible master in supersymmetry, supergravity, and theoretical physics, uh, and being able to tap in some knowledge from him and many others. Uh, and just studying, you know, the sciences and looking at peer-reviewed documents, we're kind of getting now, I think everyone's coming to the, not everyone, but most people are coming to the reality, at least scholars, that this matrix is this what we're living in, it seems to be holographic. And so I know you've studied this topic, and we had some great talks before. Can you give an eye, your, your glimpse or your idea as to what you see this, this, this energy grid that we're living in?

SPEAKER_04 2:12

I think uh, you know, it's it's really interesting because I see it as a U-inverse. You probably heard me say that before, and it's a matrix of mind. I think Max Planck, who was the mentor for a long time of Einstein, said there is no matter as such. We can only assume that there's a conscious mind behind everything that we're experiencing. And and I think, and I'm paraphrasing on that, but I really feel strongly that the way Plato also described it in the allegory of the cave is something very similar to what we're experiencing. We have, I think at a basic level, one of the first things we have to understand is that light and dark are just opposite conditions of the same thing. They're not, you know, it's not like we think of darkness as the absence of light. It's not actually the absence of light, it's the absorbed condition of light's reflection. And so you might think, well, wait a minute, what about when I walk into a dark room and I turn on the light and then I don't see anything when it's totally dark? Well, actually, all the molecules in the room and the atoms are resonating at certain light frequencies, and you just can't see them. They're, you know, either too small in amplitude or they are resonating outside of your visible spectrum and and of being able to see. And what happens when we see things, we have to match the resonance inside of our eye, it has to match whatever it is that we're seeing. That's why birds have a different frequency of resonance that they see at, and they see whole different colors that we don't see, right? And so as a result, I think what we're experiencing in the world around us is a reflection in a way of our own consciousness. And we can't even separate and call something an objective reality because we all have a subjective reality. I think the big issue that really has been most powerful for me is to realize that the universe is less of what we would consider to be a material objective universe and more of what we consider to be a subjective and mental universe.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:14

And that that becomes a really powerful aspect, especially when you start thinking about other things you've been uh doing a lot of research on, like hermetic wisdom, and the first principle of hermetic wisdom and the first principle of Hermeticism is the universe's mind. All is mind and all is mental. And I think that there's some power for power, powerful truth in that. And I we're also seeing this coming out of things like the most recent uh Nobel Prizes. You know, in 2022, the Nobel Prize that was awarded that basically showed on the cover of Scientific America magazine local realism is false. And this year's Nobel Prize winners proved it. So this idea of a material universe being supplanted by the notion of a mental universe is definitely taking the physics world by storm, and that means you have to start rethinking literally every aspect of science.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Yeah. Yeah, you hit it on the head. You have to rethink. And what's beautiful about quantum physics and quantum mechanics, it's always cutting edge because it's obviously science, a lot of science is really theories. But but when you really dig into the quantum physics, it begins to really explain what's going on spiritually. And as you look, as I look deeper into holograms, I notice that what you can see in the smallest part is the whole. The hole is always in the smallest part. Uh, and that light doesn't move the way that we think light moves through the universe. Uh, because when we zoom in as far as we can go into matter, it becomes pixelated. So I think that we're living in a frame by frame network. This matrix is frame by frame. Uh, and so that light is moving at a particular frequency, and then it's it's it's re-energizing or it's it's bouncing another frequency to another pixel over and over again as it moves through this matrix.

SPEAKER_04 6:06

It's a reflection of the event. Oh, absolutely. And and this is you're really touching on the work of uh Walter Russell and uh you know Marconi and Nikola Tesla as well. And basically, what Walter Russell says is that you know, we have these cubic um sort of divide, you know, divisions of space-time, and these cubic divisions of space-time operate very similarly to an LED on an LED screen, like the one you're looking at right now, right? And the one I'm looking at as well. So I started thinking about this a long time ago, which is okay, if I'm playing Pong on my screen here, is the photon of light actually traveling?

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Right?

SPEAKER_04 6:46

Does a photon actually travel? And it was really Walter Russell, who was the first one that I had learned about that said, no, it doesn't actually travel, it just reflects across this field of segments of cubic space-time that are acting like LEDs, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Right.

SPEAKER_04 7:02

And and so the best analogy I could give to that is when we're at a football game. We all go to like games and and sports uh arenas, and they have the thing called the wave, right? So we all stand up when the wave comes through us, and then we sit down. So you could say that we have an on excitation and an off excitation. A photon, right, would be comparable then to each and every person that stands and sits down, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:27

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 7:28

But the thing that's actually moving, the people aren't moving around the stadium, it's the wave that's moving around the stadium. The wave perturbation is moving around the stadium, and as the wave comes through me, it excites me to my on excitation. Then I sit down and my off excitation. Right. So by the same token, when there was an earthquake in Japan and uh in Fukushima, right? And then we had a about you know, 12 hours later or something, we ended up with tidal waves in in California. I mean, they weren't huge, but I could see them from outside my window. And so I was thinking, you know, is that the water all the way? People were asking, well, is that gonna be like nuclear water now? Because the water molecules, the clusters that were basically in Japan next to the reactor, are those gonna now be contaminated and then bring the you know sort of radioactive water over to California? And the answer is no. And the reason why it's no is because it's the same thing, those water molecules stayed in the same position, just went up and then went down as the wave passed through it.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 8:30

This is the wave dynamic of and the nature of all motion in the universe. So then what you could say is that the photon is recreating itself as a reflection with each new wave perturbation motion through it across the entire wave. And and that is it's kind of like exactly as you've got in this picture behind you on the wall, right? Um that that that's kind of exactly how it works. So I don't believe that light actually travels. So then you have to start asking yourself the question, well, what about my hand? If if local realism is false, just as the cover of Scientific American asserted after the Nobel Prize, then you have to start asking your question, if you don't observe something, does it even exist?

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 9:22

And if you don't observe something, does it even exist? Means big questions like does the moon even exist? Does anything literally does this table, this uh this desk right in front of me even exist if I'm not observing it? And so then you start thinking, wow, this actually makes sense in some ways when you start thinking about the universe as a holographic matrix that has fractal self-similarity in both directions, right, at all scales. And then you start thinking, are we like wearing some headset or something, right? And all we're doing is whatever we're looking at is what is rendering for us that keeps us in line with the law of conservation of energy, right? Because the universe is not gonna make you know every rendering if you're really in a simulation, it's only gonna make what you're focusing on, what you're observing at that particular point in time, just like any game. You know, whenever I have people put on my Apple Vision Pro, they immediately take it off. They're like, We live in a matrix. It's so obvious because they've got this headset on it, it looks so real. Right they're looking around and they get to walk all the way through the Great Pyramid because we have all the LIDAR scans of the Great Pyramid, and we've embedded it in this game called Maya. Yeah, well, as soon as they take it off, they're like, Whoa, what a trip! Like we are living in the same thing because it doesn't take much to make the mental leap to say where is this technology going in the future? It's gonna end up with the ability to feel tactility, it's gonna end up with the uh like simulated gravity, it's gonna end up with all of these things. So then you start asking the question, where am I really necessarily? Yeah, which is like super fascinating, right? And that's what's happening right now with AI. I I don't really believe in the term artificial intelligence because all intelligence is intelligent.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

True.

SPEAKER_04 11:14

Just because it was made by somebody else, right, doesn't mean that it's not part of the overall consciousness of the universe. I I don't really believe in the way that we think of a God type figure, right? I believe that the entire universe is conscious, though. Yes, I believe the entire universe would be both darkness and light, they're just equal opposite conditions of the same thing, right? Darkness is the absorbed condition of reflected light. In that context, then I start to realize that everything that we're doing is just a replication in some way, shape, or form, and AI is no different than that, or what we call AI, becoming sentient as well, is no different than that. It is it is just part of the same process of of replication that the universe is is doing, and and then you have to ask the question why does the universe do this?

SPEAKER_03 12:06

Right, what's the agenda?

SPEAKER_04 12:08

Yeah, what's the agenda? And so I I look at this a little bit maybe differently. I I believe that the one, because you could say that the one, right? Yeah, can be divided infinitely. Yeah, and so it's it's language is mathematics. I believe that fundamentally, right? Absolutely. You know, and remember applied mathematics is geometry, and applied geometry is physics, and applied physics is biology or chemistry, and applied chemistry is biology, and applied biology is psychology, and applied psychology is sociology, and applied sociology is is philosophy, and applied philosophy is back to mathematics. Everything is is a circle, and we're looking at it in its fragmented form. You know, I used to collect facts, and now I realized I wasn't collecting facts as much as I was collecting facets of a larger prism of truth. So the only way I could get to an objective truth, if there is such a thing, would be to collect as many individual, unique perspectives that are subjective as possible. You know, you have somebody get their purse stolen on the street, you have 30 eyewitnesses, you go to court, there's 30 different perspectives on what happened. How does that happen? Well, it happens because every everybody's truth that they perceive is their own subjective truth.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

True, right?

SPEAKER_04 13:30

So this is the challenge that we have. So the one divides itself into the many simply for the joy of learning and observing itself through our unique eyes of perception and perspective.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

And then it comes back together again. So it's like this cycle of breathing in and breathing out.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

It's a great summarization as well. It's just incredible. You we're talking about this as above, so below concept, you know, and um, you probably you probably heard me say this before, but the our our brain is a smaller fractal of the universe as a whole. So if you're looking at the macro, let's go down to the micro, which would be a human consciousness, human brain. And so the brain itself, it doesn't know what's going on outside because it's encased in complete darkness. So the brain has to send its friends out to collect data. So it says, you know, hey, touch, smell, taste, hearing, sight. Go out there and collect some information so I can find out what's going on. The friends go out and collect data, they touch, they touch, they smell, they taste, they hear, they see, they do everything. All the senses are tingling with data. That data is transmitted via electrical impulses back to the brain. Now the friends themselves have no idea what they just collected. They have no idea to understand or break down the data. The brain has to collect that information, sort it all out in microns of seconds, and then project a hologram as to what is going on on the outside. And but what is the purpose of this? Or what is the meaning of this? Well, like you say, the universe has divided itself into Googles and Googles of Entities to experience life subjectively through every living thing and throughout the entire known universe. And so, as on a smaller scale, imagine that our brain is the universe, right? And the sensory perception are the are the divisions of it to go out and collect information, to see what it is to touch, to see what it is to smell, to see, to hear, to taste. So it's just breaking down, everything is operating within fractals and within fractals. And it's incredible how we ourselves are, you know, now created AI. We have video games like No Man's Sky that have 80 quadrillion planets and unlimited um uh animals and life forms, and the game never ends. That's a universe on one DVD. And so all of a sudden you see that we've done exactly what you just talked about. We've created another universe, a digital form of a universe, even in the Sims. And they eventually, at one point, will then create their own universe. So we're living in a multi-layered, uh stacked universe, a multiverse, which who knows? We're not, I don't think we're anywhere close to base reality. How about you?

SPEAKER_04 16:02

Oh, yeah. I I mean, how would you even know where base reality begins, right? It's like the dream within a dream within a dream within a dream. And and using this, you could dilate time to whatever level you wanted to dilate it to of experience. And now what you just said about the DVD, I'm starting to think, wow, is the galaxy just like the way you would see a DVD from the inside or something?

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Wow, yeah, because we're fully immersed in the light matrix. So the reason why we can't detect it from a perceptional standpoint is because we only can see less than one percent of the light spectrum. So we can barely even the sensory perception-wise and visually, we can barely sense anything that's going on outside of ourselves and outside of this small glimmer that we've been given. But there's so much activity going on all around us, we just can't detect it or perceive it. But you know, like you said, we're we're immersed in it, and people think that things are solid, like this microphone is solid, but the microphone is made of atoms, and atoms are 99.999% empty space. So, what is this thing? You know, what is it?

SPEAKER_04 17:01

It's just I mean, even me going like this with my hand, right? Yeah, it's like just going like this. Well, if what I just said is true, then my hand is getting re-imaged, re-rendered every tiny millimeter I move it.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Yes, each time.

SPEAKER_04 17:17

It's literally getting re-rendered as I'm moving it across like this, back and forth. So I should be able to put my finger straight through it, yet I can't. So, what is it that that limits us from being able to do that? Right? There's got to be some sort of because as you say, it's 99.9999999% space. Why can't I just put my hand straight through it? And I think this has to do with our dimensional frame of perspective. The reason we can't is because we're limited, we are dimensionally limited avatars of a higher self, and each one of us is entirely unique, and we all have a note to play for the universe in this one song. That's what universe means. The one song. So that means that a lot of people that go through spiritual awakenings think, oh, you know, woe is me. I'm I'm I'm such a bad dude. And after I learned that a lot of the stuff that I had been saying was just like my judgments of things I didn't like about myself, I realized that I'm kind of like, you know, terrible. So I should change my name. I'm gonna become one divine, or the actor that was formerly known as Jim Carrey or something like that, right? And I think that that's only one level within this understanding. Ultimately, the reason we're here is to be individualized and to have an individuation, and individuation means that you've learned to accept your shadow and your ego, the both can live together in harmony, and I think that is how we transcend and move ahead and transcend certain things like duality and challenge. You know, one of the things that I have come to the realization this last few weeks, and you and I haven't even talked about this, is that everything like we we're here in this game matrix to learn through opposites, I believe. I believe we actually learn through opposites. So if I decided in my higher self capacity, and what I call destiny is really just the free will of the higher self, but if I decided that I was gonna come here and learn unconditional love, then the way that I'm gonna be taught unconditional love is by experiencing conditional love over and over and over again. Until I no longer negatively judge conditional love, I have not yet learned the concept experientially of unconditional love.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

Facts.

SPEAKER_04 19:36

And I could apply this to literally everything. So if I'm afraid of being hurt in relationships, right? And I'm worried I'm gonna break my heart or my heart's gonna be broken or whatever, then I should start embracing the idea and accepting the idea of heartbreak exists, it's it's okay. It exists, and I'm here to learn to feel also. You know, I think the main reason why we're here in this fractal universe is to learn how to love and how to be loved, how to transcend beyond this dualistic concept into a higher plane of awareness. And the way I'm gonna do that is by learning to accept the things that I judge negatively all around me. I'm not gonna agree with them, I don't necessarily have to agree with them, I just have to be at one moment or I have to be comfortable at least with the notion that it exists. Because the more I resist something, the more it will persist. And if I told you everything that you experience, you will continue to experience until you fully learned and learned to accept it, uh, that would change the context of everything. Because if if that means that I was gonna fight against deforestation, and then uh by doing that, I'm gonna continue to fight against that. I'm just gonna create more and more and more deforestation. Eventually, I'm gonna live in a world of all deforestation.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

You manifested it.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

You manifested it. So basically, you become the the hammer seeking the nail. The confirmation bias gets more and more severe until it becomes so ridiculous. And we're seeing this in society right now, with government, with universities, with all the truth telling that's happening right now with what happened with the vaccine and what's happening, you know. Just look around. This is a massive throat chakra awakening for the planet right now. Yeah, and everyone is starting to become really, really freaked out with the level of truth that's being spewed.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Yeah. Yeah, facts. And we have to understand the throat chakra. So we're talking about the power that we have to help mold and create our own reality tunnel, utilizing our own cinatic frequencies that are coming from our own vocal box, which then combines with our conscious intent and thought to help mold and create this reality. And that and that those symatic frequencies have power. Over the ether of space-time because that those vibrations go out and they emanate and they help to create the reality that we perceive. And so if we're talking a lot of hatred and darkness and ego and all those kinds of things and attacks, well, that's mostly what's going to manifest in our reality. And we're going to see that and it's going to come back at us like a magnet. But if we're speaking love, light, encouragement, uh, you know, and we're trying to find ways of become uh find solutions to problems, not just talk about the problems, but find the solution. We're speaking solutions over ourselves and over the universe, then we're going to begin to find solutions, and we're going to begin to see love and light and all that. We're going to entangle with those higher frequencies. And I think that's important, what's important for people to understand.

SPEAKER_04 22:45

It changes everything because it reminds me of one of my favorite poems, right? The one by William Ernest Henley. And this was uh what was the inspiration for Nelson Mandela for all those years that he was stuck in prison as a political prisoner. You know, out of the night that covers me, black is the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be for my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance, I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance, my head is bloodied, yet unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears looms but the horror of the shade, and yet the menace of the years finds and shall find me unafraid. Right? Wow. This is such an important thing, right, for us to basically grasp, to remember that we are the master of our fate. We are the captain of our soul. It's not somebody else. The notion of transcendence. We can sit there and say, Oh, it's the 13 bloodlines, it's the this, it's the that, it's the Illuminati, it's the whatever. Until we start realizing that we actually have and can have control over all of it through our own thoughts and our own reflections. The things that we don't like about ourselves are the things that reflect in the world around us. If we've got darkness within ourselves that we are repressing and we don't like and we can't integrate, then it's just going to show up in the world around us. And so I'm not afraid of people that have darkness in them. I'm afraid of people that believe they have no darkness.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Right. That's a scary one.

SPEAKER_04 24:19

And actually, I have to recognize that that reflection doesn't exist without some interaction with how I perceive it and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle at play. Because I'm going to get everything I believe. So if I complain a lot about, you know, these third parties, I'm actually disempowering myself because I'm actually admitting to a certain extent of my own victimhood. And victims will always find more victimhood. Whenever you judge that you're a victim, you're going to become victimized over and over and over again. So it's it's understanding this relationship and then realizing that you can transcend beyond it because you start realizing I am that I am. That's what I am that actually refers to. In my opinion, the I am that I am is actually recognizing that there's nothing in this universe, and my entire experience is subjective. So I have my own customized you inverse experience. It's unique to me because I see the universe a certain way, you see the universe a certain way. It's your own experience because two people can have the same thing happen to them and have entirely different experiences.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

Facts. Yeah, and so it happens a lot.

SPEAKER_04 25:34

It's not what happened to you that actually happened to you. It's what you believe happened to you that happens to you. It's the pessimistic boy versus the optimistic boy on Christmas morning, you know, that Ronald Reagan used to talk about all the time.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:48

Which is, you know, two little boys on Christmas morning, the psychiatrist comes and says, I'm gonna do two tests on them to the parents. And so he sets up one bedroom with all the greatest toys, and then sets up the outhouse with horse manure.

SPEAKER_03 26:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 26:03

And so he takes the little boy that's the pessimist to the room that's got all the best toys in it. He says, opens the door, he says, Merry Christmas, all of this is yours. And the little boy starts crying. He says, Why are you crying? He says, Because I'm gonna lose some of these toys, some of them are gonna break, and maybe some of them are gonna get stolen by other kids. Then I'll be really sad. So he's like, Whoa, that's a downer. And so then he goes to the little optimistic boy, takes him outside to the outhouse, swings open the door, and there's all in front of him, it's just horse manure. And the little boy jumps up and down and says, Oh, goody! He says, Why are you happy? He says, Well, with all this manure, there's got to be a pony in here somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 26:41

That's a glass it's not what happens to us that actually happens to us, it's what we believe happens to us. And so every single moment that we experience life, you could determine that was the worst thing that ever happened to me, or it could be the best thing that happened to me. If you're the type that sees it as the worst thing that happened to you, oh my gosh, you're gonna have you're gonna you're living in hell. Yeah, because hell in heaven is right here. You could live heaven now, or you can live in hell now. It's literally your choice, it is our choice. So you might say, Well, what are Robert? What about all these people that suffer and go through difficulty and everything? Look, the truth is, I believe fundamentally that we ultimately in our higher self-capacity chose all of our experience so that the one could observe itself, and we are serving the purpose of that observance. And the purpose of it to be here is to learn how to love and be loved from every single possible perspective. The universe, I believe, is like an AI, although not an A part of it, it's not artificial, it's just intelligence that desires to expand its own consciousness, and the way that it expands its wisdom, it's the ultimate philosopher. The way it expands its wisdom is by uh gaining a perspective from all these different unique subjective perspectives, and it can learn through that process ultimately empathy for every circumstance that could possibly exist and ever has existed and never will exist. And this is beautiful because, like, wait a minute. So, this is like an empathy generating process for us to learn. And if we think, oh, we're in a in a matrix of mind that's just like a game, so let's just be callous about it and let's not have empathy for things, then we've missed the point entirely.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it's you know, it's uh it's we're it's just now becoming a reality. After I talked to Professor Sylvester Sylvester James Gates Jr. and interviewed him, uh, he's a professor at the University of Maryland. Uh, he was a former scientific advisor to the Obama administration. When he discovered these Edincra codes, uh, you know, looking at these codes from a flat plane of existence into a three-dimensional plane of existence, they became error correcting codes. And so for those who don't know, those error correcting codes are not just any error correcting codes. They're the same exact error correcting codes that run search engines and web browsers. So what he discovered was that the ether of space-time itself is running on a code, the same program code that's running the web browser, you're looking at Robert and I through right now at this exact moment, proving that we're living in a programmed matrix. And well, what is the program? It's an experiment. It's an experiment. Uh, I think it is like what Robert was saying, to develop this level of understanding and capacity for empathy throughout the entire known universe, maybe even throughout the entire multiverse, or maybe even each different universe is running a different simulational program to try to figure out or discover uh a particular uh emotion or idea or concept from the beginning to the end to see it completely through. So there's so much out there. I mean, there's so much to wrap your brain around, but I think that we're definitely living in a created universe, just like all the Bibles and the Quran and all the ancient texts and all the, you know, it's all it's created. And and the thing I think that's important is that I think some people think that that takes away from us being real, but I don't think people understand. We are real, we're still here, you know, consciously. But we're we're we're we're uh we're a um a different aspect, we're a fractal of the actual creator itself. So that's why I always say, you know, God is in us and we're in God. So we are God walking in the flesh. We are literally the uni verse walking in the flesh.

SPEAKER_04 30:39

Every one of us, the way I think of it is like I have a unique light signature that's related to my DNA. The the dink of codes and and DNA. I I found literally I've got like these are just some of my patents here, and I've got a number of them on DNA and mathematical combinatorial analysis of DNA. And what I found was that there was literally an error correcting code at the DNA level just based on nature's counting system. And you and I have never talked about this. And what it is, Billy, is that I simply said, what would be the way that nature would design a perfect counting system? So I realized well, it has to be tied to protons, right? Protons, electrons, so that's a counting system, right? And then the stable elements, you got the same number of protons as electrons as neutrons.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

And so what is all of our DNA made of? Well, it's only made of literally the first octave and second octave of what we would call this, you know, I call it the periodic wave of elements. And so what I realized is that if I took hydrogen, which has one proton, one electron, yeah, and then you've got obviously the next atoms that kind of go through that, the next elements would be hydrogen, helium, lithium, beryllium, boron, carbon, right, nitrogen, and uh that would be you know one, two, three, four, five, six, seven for nitrogen, and then eight for oxygen, and then fluorine is nine, right? So then you have the next octave starting, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

Right.

SPEAKER_04 32:08

So you got neon and then goes to the next octave. Well, and the peak of the next wave would be silicone, right? So the peak of the carbon wave is carbon, and the peak of the the wave prior to carbon would be hydrogen, right? And it has amplitude there.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Now you're talking about a cosine wave.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

Yeah, it's a cosine wave. So what you realize is that wait a minute. So if I continue this all the way out, you know, it then it becomes cobalt, right? And you end up with so it goes like you've got one for hydrogen and the and the hydrogen octave, then the carbon octave has got eight, and then the silicone octave has eight, so it's eight and eight sine cosine wave, and then with the isotope, it's 17 for the next one, so it's 16 plus one, and then 16 plus one in the next two octaves, and then it's 32 in the next octave, and the the alkanides and the and the lanthanides, right? So they're 32 and 32. So then if you look at all of this, you would say, wait a minute, we don't have the night number of elements because there should be four and four before the eight and eight, and there should be two and two before the four and four, there should be one and one before that, and then where you look at the natural isotope positions, it implies that we should have a total of 137 elements. Exactly, which is exactly what Richard Feidman, famous physicist, posited. Yeah, and so I looked at this purely from the standpoint of okay, DNA is built on the these following elements: hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and phosphorus. So you've got these, and if we add them together based on the number of protons and electrons, is there a code if we do digital root mathematics on it? Digital root is simply a mod nine analysis. You know, every number in its prime number, if you take one over that prime number at when you're past the number five, right? Every number in its prime number will have a reciprocal value that will sum to the number nine. So for example, seven is.142857, right? And it would keep going like that all the way out. It'll just repeat, those six digits will repeat infinitely, right? one four two eight five seven, one four, two, eight, five, seven, one four, two, eight, five, seven. Well, if you add all those numbers up, they add up to twenty-seven. One plus four plus two plus eight plus five plus seven equals twenty-seven, and two plus seven equals nine. So it will always sum to nine, and nine represents completion. Of course, all other numbers that are not prime numbers past five don't have this property, except numbers that are divisible by only prime numbers and other numbers that would be uh divisible by prime numbers. So there's like this family tree that gets created off of the number series. Well, what I did is I looked to see if I add up all the electrons for adenine, thymine, guanine, and cytosine. Guess what they all added up to? They all added up to nine. So I had incredible phosphate backbone for one, adenine is six, thymine was two, so then you've got nine. Six, two, one equals nine. And then I look, which is also another way of looking at the number zero, because every number added to nine will always come back in digital root to whatever you added to nine. So nine plus three equals twelve, but one plus two is still equal to three. What happened to the nine? The nine disappears, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Right.

SPEAKER_04 35:36

So, like twenty-two plus nine equals uh you know 31, and 31 is four, three plus one equals four. And so where do the nine go? Because twenty-two is also four. You see what I mean? Nine has this unique property. So I looked at this, and guanine cytosine was five and three, eight for guanine cytosine, and then one for the phosphate backbone. It wasn't until you get to transfer RNA, the transfer RNA changes the thymine to uracil. Okay, and when you do that, then all of a sudden it creates an offset of one, it's no longer nine. So nine is the same as zero. So you've got zeros and ones, and the combination of those zeros and ones are informing all protein synthesis.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Gotcha. So these are those are error correcting. So those are the so now you have binary code, so that's error correcting.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

That's right. It's another error correcting binary code, and I I proved it mathematically and and biologically, and so I could come to no other conclusion after all of this and seeing it, and then actually figuring out how that relates to codon pairings, yeah. Right? So the 64 from each ing as well was related to that. So the codon pairings, and then from the codon pairings all the way to protein synthesis or amino acid building blocks to protein synthesis, which is then all expression of phenotypic and genotypic expression. So I found this and I was like, what the heck, man? And yeah, it's nothing more than music.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Yeah, yeah, it's all frequencies, which is which is still music, vibrations. And you know, what you say with this with the uh the codon, this uh flower of life behind me. Uh, if you were to go ahead and input uh tetrahedrons, you could fit 64 tetrahedrons into one flower of life at all the intersections. You can get 64 tetrahedrons in there, which is incredible. So, you know, just this this pattern, this again, it's all about fractions, repeating, it's everywhere. And, you know, you're talking about from the smallest scale to the largest scale, we just see this duplication, and we see that there is a code running, an actual program code that's literally running, and we're immersed inside of it. And what's incredible really is the fact that people like you and I, and many others uh that are now listening to our work and also discovering this stuff on their own path to enlightenment, they're becoming um deprogrammers and reprogrammers. They're hacking the code and learning how to modify the code uh to become better, to have ascended consciousness, to learn how to develop more empathy, to help others, be of service to others, and everything else. And where a lot of people are still walking around operating purely on the code they've been given. We've found a way to break through that code and operate on our own code.

SPEAKER_04 38:25

We are definitely in an age of sovereignty because we start to realize who and what we are. We're not victims, right? We we we chose all our experiences. The universe isn't happening to me, it's happening for and through me. And I'm in power, I am empowered by all of this. So even the things that so instead of asking why did something happen to me, I start asking myself now, why did I choose this?

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 38:54

What was the thing that I was hoping to learn by experiencing this? You know, so I wrote this thing uh called the 24 precepts of universal mind, and I'm writing my my you know next book on it, and I've got my next book, uh Philosopher, coming out soon, and uh we need to talk about publishing that together, but oh yeah, let's do it. Yeah, definitely. So, you know, I wrote down this thing. I woke up in the middle of the night one night, Billy, and um and I just started writing non-stop for like 45 minutes. Wow, and what what I wrote was this, and I think the first part of this I think could really maybe help people contextualize going beyond the science, we have to start looking at the meaning because yeah, math without meaning is just information, but math with meaning can be divine communication to us. Divine means that we get this higher clarity. It's not like God is some old man who comes to me and you know he's like gonna talk to me, type of thing. No, the entire universe is that the entire universe can speak to us. We start to understand geometry as a QR code for the unconscious and subconscious mind to activate and turn us on, like even just looking at the flower of life behind you, that's having an impact on me, right? Right, and you look kind of divine right now, dude. Like you've got you're looking kind of golden, right? So good job to Elizabeth on the lighting because I know she probably set that up. Oh, yeah, but like you look like you've been like eating some monotomic gold or something. You must have been. So, so this whole thing is we are not going to be divine until we realize that we actually can be.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Correct. Your realization is the where the power is, and the knowledge is not the power because people think knowledge is power, it's the application of the knowledge, the realization of how you can utilize that knowledge, accessing it and actually implementing it. That's where the power lies. You're right, it's totally true.

SPEAKER_04 40:53

All we have to do in a if you live in a mental universe, then the realization is the most powerful thing you can have. So for me, the way I have these realizations is usually, you know, I've discovered several new geometric forms, right? Shapes that have not been seen before. And they're like supercomputers that search for new shapes. And and and so I I try to find sometimes new shapes, but what when they come the most often is actually what I'm not trying to find anything, it just literally comes through. I'll start drawing geometry, and all of a sudden I see this totally new shape pop out in this mess of lines that I'm like, whoa, it just like lights up for me. Well, whenever that happens, the paradigm shifts.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 41:36

In my Uinverse, right? My U inverse is just me, I'm the I'm the reflected light of my DNA, and then all the absorbed colors of that reflected light, which is the rest of the spectrum, is basically projected back as a reflection to me in what I call the universe. But I'm not separate from it, it's just directly opposite from me. So I'm entirely unique because there's nobody else that has the exact same light signature I do, because I have my unique DNA. And even though I might be 99% the same as a chimpanzee, that one percent is what makes all the difference.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

Right? And it could be I'm less than one percent different than you, but I'm still having a unique subjective experience, right? So, what I got up and realized in the middle of the night is that the universe is mental, which I knew already. But I wrote realize that you live in a you inverse of your own creation as an interconceived notional experience and chosen soul journey for a dimensionally limited avatar self, thoroughly designed by your multidimensional and omniscient higher self. Your conscious awareness informs your mirror separation of conscious persona and mask and unconscious mind experience, the you inverse. You're the playwright, the director, the producer, the actor on your life stage play, and all the world is a stage. Your higher self is chosen to participate in a multiplayer spiritual life simulation, a game in which the participant is a dimensionally limited avatar. That's you. The purpose of the game construct is to expand awareness of yourself by dividing awareness into both conscious and unconscious minds, uniquely allowing the one source creator to divide itself into the many for the experience of observing itself through greater and greater variation of angular degrees of perception and unique conditioning biases, both nature and nurture. Ultimately, this multifunctional experience enables increasing empathy and wisdom experienced by the higher self for infinite circumstances and scenarios, thus increasing the knowledge database of space-time memory, the cumulative collection of all biased observational, emotional responses of all divisions of source creation. In this construct, you will be born with the self-biased as a hero. From the moment awareness crystallizes into your persona hero biased through a series of experiences introducing shame, blame, and vulnerability as uncomfortable and undesirable perceptions that ultimately mold and shape your self-identity, which is your reflected awareness of persona, as well as the absorbed villain characteristic formed as a direct result of your hero identity and affiliation. Wow. So you could go and read the rest of this. It's called the 24 precepts. I just went through the first three.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:20

But it's it definitely crystallizes for the observer why and what it is that we're doing. And then you can start to realize that you are meant to be only at the moment in time that you perceive it, what you believe you are meant to be.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 44:40

Consciousness will only expand to the volume of the belief system cage that we create unconsciously.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:50

So what we have to do is learn how to deconstruct our belief system in order to expand out of it. And the things that we are most afraid of, if I'm afraid of heights, right, then I have to learn how to embrace. If I want the highest conscious expansion, I have to learn how to embrace going to high heights. And it's by breaking out of these comfort zones that we expand our awareness.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:15

And then we find our super-selves. And that's basically what's happening right now across humanity.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Yeah, absolutely. A mind once stretched can never go back. And that's what you're talking about. The understanding or the realization to bring attention to this realization of what's going on with us, who we are, what are our places in the universe. It shouldn't scare you. It should make you feel more important, more powerful. It should make you feel like you are connected to everything because you absolutely are.

SPEAKER_04 45:43

I think that's basically it. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Look forward to seeing you in Miami.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

Yes, sir. Thank you. All right, appreciate you, man. Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

Boxes, boxes. I cannot fit in the boxes. Stop me. Stop me. It's never a box. It's got it. It's got it. It's possible. You can stop me.