In Search Of The Ancients with Cliff Dunning

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SPEAKER_00 0:03

Hey everyone, it's Billy Carson, aka Forbidden Knowledge. Thank you for coming on the Forbidden Knowledge Podcast. And tonight we're opening a door that most people were told doesn't even exist. What if the history that we inherited is not just a full story? What if buried cities, impossible artifacts, ancient engineering, star aligned temple, and forgotten civilizations are not just random mysteries, but pieces of a much larger timeline that has been literally hidden from us for so many decades, decades, maybe even eons. We know that the mainstream history has told us that civilization began neat, it began simple, very primitive, very slow progress, and then all of a sudden, boom, modern technology over time. But all over the world, the stones are telling a much different story. So, tonight we're going to explore that. We're going to look into the evidence, the anomalies, the ruins, the ancient science, and the discoveries that pretty much challenge the official narrative. And I have the perfect guest for this conversation. For the first time, I have Cliff Dunning, the creator and the host of Earth Ancients, one of the most respected platforms in the world for exploring the lost chapters of human history. And this is not just another ancient history conversation. This is going to be a forensic investigation into the forgotten past of humanity itself. So welcome to the show, Cliff Dunning. Hey Cliff. Hey man, it's an absolute honor, man. And I was so happy to meet you just a few months back at the con at the uh conscious life expo, or the new Living Expo, I think it was. Yeah, yeah, that was great. Beautiful, man. Yes, sir. I've been watching you work for so many years. You you've had me on your podcast probably several years ago, maybe four or five years ago or something like that now. It's been a while. Um, and I've just been watching your work, watching uh your interviews, and the you get some of the most incredible people on your show to interview, and then I watch you travel the world, which is what I love to do, right? And so can I gotta ask you first, how did you get into all this?

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Uh it's funny, I've always been interested in ancient history, but my grandfather, who was a country physician in California, had a great library on indigenous tribes of the United States, the Maya, and other uh ancient civilizations that were in question, uh, he had books by people like Charles Fort, who was kind of an early uh Graham Hancock who questioned history and was an anomalist. He was looking at uh things that happened that were unusual, that were not being reported. And so it kind of lit a fuse in my mind. And then after serving uh for companies like PayPal and and being a graphic artist, I became a program director for a conference in San Francisco called Whole Life in the late 1990s, and I had a chance to create uh lecture tracks uh with people like John Anthony West and some of the early innovators of uh ancient history. And so I've always had a kind of bug in my ear when it came to ancient history.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Wow, amazing! You you had a chance to do something with John Anthony West?

SPEAKER_01 3:38

Yeah, he was a regular uh uh in San Francisco, and uh you know, obviously the Sphinx was a uh a big one on his um uh archival work, but he also wrote a great deal about Egypt as a whole. Uh his mentor was uh Dulubic. And he uh was fascinated by Egyptian history and the the language and the philosophy of ancient Egypt.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

Yeah, yeah, John Anthony, he was really amazing. I really resonated with his theory on the dating of the Sphinx based on my research into the animal tablets, and he's tell he's talking about looking at the erosion in the um uh in the uh Sphinx enclosure and dating back to the younger drives and saying, not the best time to build a sphinx, maybe another processional period back to be better. And so it times with my estimate, uh, which I was so glad to finally find his work about maybe seven, eight, seven, eight years ago, because it really resonated that 36 to 40,000 years made a made so much more sense uh in terms of um you know building a structure like that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:53

And you must know if you read his book, Robert Schock, who was the geologist who joined him to date the enclosure to you know thousands of years before Khufu was around, shocked the whole community. And there was a huge debate between Mark Lariner, who is one of the foremost Egyptologists in the Americas, uh with Robert Schock, and it was just an overwhelming uh kind of a situation where he didn't really get to speak out on his theory, and it's still to this day is not recognized as an ancient uh statue, it's still considered uh dynastic, which is it is not.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

No, it's not, and that leads me to my next question because you've traveled the world, you've been to so many incredible places. We both have some of the same friends, like Muhammad Ibrahim, and and Noah, his beautiful wife, right in Egypt. Do you take those tours? You take people on tours, which are your tours are great. They have to be great because you're using Muhammad.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

So he's amazing, man.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

He's phenomenal. What are some of the most incredible things that you've been able to see during your travels that make you go, this is in your eyes, inequivocal proof that we're talking about a much earlier time period than that we've been told?

SPEAKER_01 6:08

So, one of the big ones that I'm studying right now, I'm actually in the middle of writing a book on the Maya, is their development. And what's happened recently is there's been more discoveries of ancient sites that predate the classic Maya. And the classic Maya, roughly uh 300 AD until 500 years later. The pre-classic period uh was thought of as a developmental period. And what has happened is in the last, I'd say, five or six years, this new technology called LIDAR has uncovered huge valleys and uh ruins that have been dated to 300 plus BC. Wow. And what's really unique, and I had a chance to go down and visit, is there's a place in Guatemala called El Miador. And I've been interviewing the director of the excavation, a guy named Dr. Richard Hansen, who thinks there's something very, very odd about the the uh ruins. And what has been discovered is that the pre-dynastic period, which is the oldest, are very, very uh sophisticated and built the largest pyramids in the Americas.

unknown 7:22

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

The Redanta pyramids are almost as tall as the Giza Plateau pyramids that are about 250 uh feet high. Uh the uh Khufu pyramids 321 feet. But this is just the beginning. They're finding platforms, they're finding uh sculptures, they're finding uh landforms that predate uh a number of old, old civilizations. Now, what the one of the big new discoveries in the last couple of months is they have found a king's list in Guatemala.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

What I didn't know about this.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Yeah, this is brand new. You can get it in uh uh uh Richard uh Stewart's book, David Stewart's book called The Four Heavens, and he is now presenting new evidence that there were kings that go back thousands and thousands of years, the same way the Egyptian uh king's list goes back, and the same as other ancient civilizations. What this is showing us, and this is what I'm bringing up in my writing, is that at some point there was a huge migration to Mexico and Central America, uh pre-uh deluvian earlier pre-flood, or there was some cataclysmic event that drove people to the Americas. And we now understand this. This is not academic, this is Cliff Denning talking, yeah, uh, and the elders who I speak with, yeah, uh, because the academic world will not recognize anything before roughly 4,000 years. But this new data is so significant because it shows us that this earlier pre-dynastic period was as sophisticated as the classic period and the dynastic Egyptians. These guys knew how to build pyramids, yeah, they knew how to uh look at the stars, and they were cosmologists, they could uh engineer the most elegant cities. You've been to Mexico, you know some of these pyramids are gorgeous, yeah. And uh they had a mathematical and science in place thousands of years before the classic period. So, this is all the last few years that's slowly coming out, yeah. And my whole thing is that it's actually much, much older than even the pre-classic period.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Yeah, that's and I believe you. You're you're so you're so accurate. When I was in Mexico the last time, I got a really good archaeologist um from Mexico, and I also had a homegrown guide and one that went to university there, and they're actually teaching in the university that the Maya didn't build any of this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

Oh, God.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

And I'm going, wow. And so he's talking about this. They go, they go back, but there's something going back even before them, and I'm like, okay, well, if you're a if you own a construction company and you're the master architect, are you gonna get your fingernails dirty lifting up the stones? I think that, well, I feel I feel like in some way that the people did have something to do with it. They were they were taught, or in some way they learned the instructions on how to build these sites and they did do the work, right? But what's crazy is that um, you know, you find out this story of, like, for example, the um uh there was a volcanic eruption, uh, according to the text, and the Aztecs ended up migrating and they stumbled upon Teotihuacan. And in that case, they actually inherited what was already there. Right. You know, they inherited it. And so and but when I was younger, I thought the Aztecs were part of building all this stuff. Right. They didn't build it, they they should inherit it. And it began to make sense why some of the newer cultures, like the Aztecs, who came along a little a lot later than the Maya, would still participate in a lot of these crazy rituals, like you know, ripping people's hearts out. And then like you can build this pyramid that's up lined to Cardinal North, and you can have it do all these special things, but at the same time, you got to rip somebody's heart out, their chest while it's beating. It didn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

It doesn't make any sense. Like these are these are cannibals and they're they're uh uh around buildings that are very sophisticated. Well, obviously, you said it perfectly, they inherited yeah this these temples and these complexes. There's there's no way that they built them.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Yeah, yeah, it's incredible. So, Guatemala is a place I haven't been. Have you been down there yet?

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Just got back. We did our uh Guatemalan tour last December.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

And man, those pyramids, and this is the problem right now. Mexico is uh eliminating the ability to climb pyramids now for some reason. We don't know why. And when you go to Guatemala, you're literally able to climb pretty much everything. Oh wow, except some of the taller uh pyramids at Tical because they're just too dangerous.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah, Ticau looks pretty steep.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Guatemala is amazing. You'll love it when you go.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Nice. Yeah, but you get a chance to see the what appears to be like a flying turtle in terms of an artifact. It's a turtle or it looks like a turtle, but it's got the fins, the flippers, like uh kind of painted or or or carved to the side of the body, more aerodynamically shaped. In other words, the flippers aren't out like a normal turtle, the flippers are kind of like around, wrapped around the body, and the head of the turtle looks like it has a helmet on.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Uh is that is that is that uh Tikal? It sounds like it could be further south at one of those smaller ruins. I I know there's a lot of really sophisticated carvings uh in in the Honduras area.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yeah, yeah. It's wild, man. Some there's so much to discover, especially like you're talking about with this LiDAR. This is really revolutionizing a lot of things. Uh, I had someone bring a lidar, a handheld LiDAR scanner on my Egypt tour last year.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

And I'm gonna get him on the podcast. He does LIDAR for a living in airplanes, so they do lay they fly over terrain very low, and he he lays on his stomach with a lidar machine from the from the aircraft, and he's scanning, and he does this for a major company. Um yeah, and so but this handheld lidar that he had, and we're we're inside of some of the tombs at the at the Valley of the Kings, and we're we're we're inside the pyramid, and he's scanning with his hand with the this little device. It's mind-blowing. Yeah, yeah, I love it. We're getting so advanced now, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Uh, Richard Hansen, who's excavating El Miador in Guatemala, was one of the participants in the large uh LIDAR scan of the Guatemala biosphere about 10 years ago. His team uncovered the 60,000 ruins that were a mind-blowing uh discovery. And he also found what he called the Maya Superhighway, which are the largest roads in the world. Some of the roads are about 100 feet across and run for hundreds and hundreds of miles. These are the Sokbi, and they are so integral. This is another new discovery, is that they're so integral in the way they build their cities, is that the Sokbi comes in, it touches a pyramid or two, moves around the civic area where people meet, and then leaves and goes to another city. And they incorporated these everywhere. Wow. And the reason they're so unique is that they go as far as the ocean, and then they go into the ocean, which means that the the water levels have risen significantly. So there's actual ruins in the ocean off the uh Caribbean coast and off the uh Atlantic coast as well. Yeah, and I've seen them. I actually uh have a few illustrations of these white rows ending at the end of a land base, and then you see them under the water, and then you're they disappear. Wow, so that shows you how old the Maya are. The Maya are probably 20 plus thousand, if not years older.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, I was there with a couple of shamanists built, still spec uh still spoke the ancient tongue of Quechua. Yeah, and uh wow, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Yeah, it's the uh the discoveries that are being made aren't really being reported, but some of these uh platforms and uh structures and temples and pyramids are so old, uh they're not being reported to the general public because they don't know really how to to report the details other than putting them in technical journals, right? So there's still a confusion of pre-classic and classic.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yeah, kind of interesting. But discrepancy is going to be there for quite some time. Have you been able to see inside of any of these structures down there?

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Uh, we went into one small pyramid that was turned into a tomb. Uh, there was sarcophagus in there. Of course, if you go to Palenque, which is in Mexico, that's the famous Pacal in the pyramid of the inscriptions. And so that's a gorgeous pyramid. Uh, you have to wonder though, and we questioned this in the very beginning of our discussion if the pyramid was there before the the pharaoh or the king, yeah, and they they cord it out and put his sarcophagus at the bottom, it kind of looks like that. And this is what I saw in uh uh Yashi, which is a small city close to Tikal, is there is a small pyramid about 100 feet, 120 feet tall. They had cord out the middle and they put a tomb in there with a beautiful sarcophagus, but it looked like a second stage, like they added it later. So you have to wonder how old is the pyramid, how old is the sarcophagus?

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Yeah, yeah. It seems like a lot of these sites are reused at later times for different ceremonial purposes, right? And so I believe you. I I'm on that same vibration. I feel like a lot of these sites were taken over, people slapped their name on it, you know, take you know, open up the inside, put some tombs or sarcophagi in there or or other ritualistic type things, you know, and claim more. Some people used to hide in these during uh uh different situations, like in Egypt. We know that you know the Christians were hiding inside of some of the temples and pyramids and to hide from persecution and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Well, you've been to Egypt, so you know, and you've been inside the great Khufu Pyramid. That was not a tomb. No, and you've walked through the the grand gallery, you've been to the king's and the queen's uh uh room.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

That's that's a machine. Yeah, every indication is a machine, and to me, say it's a tomb, I mean that thing's from a different world, it's so huge, you know.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Yeah, when you're standing inside the Great Pyramid, like in the area where you have the subterranean shaft, yeah, and you look up and you can see the shaft, it's cut down, but you can see where it's going straight up in a perfect angle, cut through solid stone all the way through in a perfect angle.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

And I get the idea that that wasn't built to have the shaft. In other words, the shaft was cut after it was there. It seems as if something came in and just cut it and disintegrated the stone on the way in and built this elongated shaft and that particular angle. How do you build around the idea of having this particular angle there and cut every single stone as you're laying it along the way to have no mistakes? I don't know. It's insane. It's insane.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

You've been with Mohammed, so you've been to the the bent pyramid of the red pyramid and all the other pyramids. I think that they are machines because those shafts are too small for a sarcophagus, they're too small for a body to be laid and wrapped in in uh special uh uh death gear. They're those are utility shafts to to prime the engine, to bring in liquids. If they were developing hydrogen, which is some the people's theories, they were using those to put in liquids or or petroleums or whatever. They're they're not made to put any bodies in it, those are machines.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

So yeah, there's nowhere. And that's I'm glad you said that because I say it all the time. I feel like when I'm inside of the pyramids, I'm standing inside of a machine.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

I tell people, imagine you can shrink yourself yourself down to like a miniature version of you, and then you can walk and step inside of a clean engine block and look around, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:42

That's a good analogy. It really is.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Yeah, yeah. You're in a machine, and and everything about the way that the structure is laid out and the shafts. I mean, I'm six foot four, you know, and I I mean it's even per a person, even five foot eight, will struggle in some of these little corners and straight, you know, up and especially the bent pyramid going around the sort of corners crawling through there. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

If you have claustrophobia, forget it. I always tell people before you go down there, if you have any issues with enclosures, yeah, you can't go.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

I know, I know. I've only had a few people like you know freak out a little bit and have to get out. Maybe over the last four or five years, I saw maybe three people. They were like, Okay, I gotta go, I gotta get out, I gotta get out.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Yeah, they're not uh those shafts are not really made for people, they're maintenance shafts, you know. They're uh and and you really see that with the subterranean shaft down at the bottom of the pyramid. That's not made for people. No, I mean that that thing's some kind of a pump or some kind of an engine or some kind of a fluid dispensary, and yeah, you know, and how the Egyptian Egyptology community considers it uh a death uh shaft is beyond me, you know. Yeah, yeah. And when you get an engineer, they go, Oh no, that this is this is made for uh some kind of fluidcy, you know, uh liquids or uh something being pumped into a chamber.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Yeah, yeah. When I looked at the Queen's chamber and took some other images of it from some of the breakdowns that are available online, Wikipedia and so forth, and and some of the information as to what's in there, there's some these copper pins in there. And you look at the way it's laid out and you see that water back when the Nile was closer used to be funneled. Some of the water was funneled up into that Queen's Chamber area. When you have that running water and you have the same materials that the stone is, and you have these copper pins, you get a form of electricity, you make a battery basically.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Now, what would be the purpose? My hypothesis is that that battery function was used to create something called electrolysis, and electrolysis on water will extract the hydrogen atoms.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Now you've got clean, pure energy, then you can send. Around the pyramid, maybe even send it to the king's chamber for fusion. Who knows? You know, these are all hypotheses, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Well, I think you're following Chris Dunn's theory, which is that there was hydrogen uh created in the Great Pyramid to build and create some kind of electricity or some kind of uh energy flow. How they distribute distributed the energy is the big question. Because you know, that I mean, if that pyramid is 20, 30, 40,000 years old, all the interior equipment's gone, there's no hint as to what it could have been. And you know, these the guys, the brains behind the building of the pyramid, that's a different paradigm. Those are those are people that understood natural phenomenon, yeah, natural energy, natural ley lines, and uh how uh the pyramid would be powered. And we can only guess. We don't know for sure. We can only guess.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Yeah, yeah. I um when I looked at the USGS.gov um uh survey map for the magnetic field, guess where Gaza is sitting directly on one of the biggest ones that whip out of the earth.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Oh, it's crisscrosses the ley line, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. Yeah, it's incredible because it's like how first of all, how did they know it was there? You know what I'm saying? Like, how did they understand that there was that location was that energetic? And then to understand how to harness that energy, you're right. They understood natural phenomena and how to turn that into usefulness with a multifunctional stone machine that can do multiple things. Yeah, it's really incredible.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

Uh, about 10 years ago, John Burke, who is a scientist in New York, was testing uh the Great Pyramid, and he discovered not only is it on a telluric energy field, which is a natural resonating energy that bubbles up every every hour or so. He was testing it and he showed that it was uh magnet magnetized to a degree where some form of combustion may have been taking place. That was that was in in uh Egypt. He went to uh the Guatemala field, and he also went to no, he went to Guatemala and tested the Great World Pyramid, and that whole thing sits on a talluric field. And so they were shooting out telluric energy in a number of very old pyramids to do something with the atmosphere, was his conclusion. And so what's that mean? Well, they were changing the atmosphere to make it more pure. Uh, they understood physiology, the human body, to a degree where they wanted to purify and cleanse. We don't know, but uh, there's a couple of books out there that said at its peak, there were over 55,000 Mayan pyramids from Honduras to Mexico. Uh that's Carlos Barrero's book, 2012. He talks about that.

SPEAKER_03 24:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

55,000 active pyramids. Wow. And you gotta wonder if they're all sitting on a talluric field, what kind of atmosphere is that? What does that do to our body?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Yeah, I mean, you know, incredible, incredible. Yeah, when I was in Teotihuacan a few years ago, the guide was showing me all these hills in the city, you know, but at the top of each hill was a church. He said underneath each one of those churches is a pyramid. He said they blew the tops off and built churches on top.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

It's crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

And it's hundreds of them.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

I'm going, wow, if I can just go back in time and like strip this away in my mind and imagine what this looked like, it must have been magnificent.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

Oh, there was pyramids everywhere, you know, and most of them are buried. And lidar has not only exposed them, but if I was an archaeologist, I'd be like shaking my head, going, uh, where do we start? You know, where do we start?

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Yeah, it's everywhere. Now, the lidar is incredible. What do you how do you what do you think about the uh the synthetic aperture radar scans?

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Well, it's funny you mentioned that. I just uh finished an interview with uh guy named Trevor Grassey. They have discovered a second sphinx in the Giza Plateau. Yeah, and it's so evident that it's there, it's under about 30 feet of uh of sand, uh that it's shocking the archaeological community. Zahi Hawaz, who's the supreme council ruler, has denied it's there, like he didn't denies everything else. Uh but this Sphinx is uh has a legacy, and the legacy is that it was built as a sister or twin of the Great Pyramid. Now the head on the Great Pyramid is supposed to be uh Khufu, but we don't really know because it's so eroded. But the original head was of a lion. Okay, so the second pyramid, I don't know, it's hard to say, but there's so many uh uh uncovered or covered phenomenon in the Giza uh plateau that I'm not surprised.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

Yeah, I know that on the Dreamsteller, which is between the Sphinxes' paws, um, that Dreamstell's got the two Sphinxes, right? Facing opposite each other. Exactly. Um on the uh so it wouldn't it make sense to me that we would find we have the one sphinx facing east to the sunrise, and then maybe we have the one that they just discovered with that SARS scan underneath that underneath the sand, underneath the rock and everything, facing west.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

So almost it's like you know, we get that counterpointing, maybe the polarity, uh, if that's what's underneath there. What intrigued me the most about that second Sphinx SARS scan, a synthetic capture radar scan, was the tunneling beneath the ground. And that means to me that there's something specific, there's something important there. Why would you tunnel to it? Why would you waste the resources to tunnel to something that didn't matter? Uh, so to me, that points to the fact that there's something very important there. And um, I'm looking forward to you know finding out what the hell that is.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

I wish I wish the uh antiquities department would be more forthright about the tunnels because they're everywhere on the plateau. And I've had a number of guests on my podcast who have done Grand Penetration Radar and identified uh tunnels leading out from the pyramids to the Great Sphinx and then other areas within the middle of that plateau. So why we're not uh told about it is anyone's guessed.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Yeah. It's so it's so interesting. There's so much there to learn and see. What do you think about the the use of this diorite and the granite by the ancient Egyptians? What do you what do you think? What why why would they use something that's so high on the most scale of hardness to create these structures?

SPEAKER_01 29:05

I don't know, but it's a huge question for me, and and I've been using AI uh a lot. Um I recently uh did an analysis of the uh Abu Sabil uh sculptures which are 66 feet tall. They're supposed to be of uh Ramsey's II.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

And after the analysis, the uh AI came back and said these could not have been done by Ramsey's people. They're they're too hard, number one, they're too huge, they're the largest freestanding sculptures in the world. And the uh technology at the time wasn't sufficient not only to carve them, but to uh shape them and and smooth them. Because you know, they're talking about copper tools cutting into uh uh hard stone. So I don't know the story, but I think there's a missing chapter that's uh needing to come out on uh an unknown science behind the cutting, shaping, and forming of not only the amazing sculptures, but these columns. You've seen the columns uh at Hathor Temple, yeah, uh at uh uh uh Karnak and Luxar. I mean, these sculptures are just fabulous. I'm just I I'm a uh a trained artist, and when I see these beautiful 30-foot sculptures that are you know cut with supposed to be cut with copper, I'm like, how the hell do they do that? Well, they didn't. Yeah, they inherited these, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Yeah, copper's not gonna cut into die right. Yeah, it's just not gonna happen. No, it would it would bend and break. Uh you know, it would take you a hundred years to make a couple good scratches.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Yeah. The other thing, and I know you know this, Billy, is that uh Ramsey II was what they call the big uh usurper. He placed his cartouche literally on anything he thought he could get his hands on. And there's a beautiful sculpture in Memphis, uh, Egypt that's laying on its belly. You've probably seen it before. That's my all-time favorite. Well, that was so refined. And AI took a look at it, and AI said that's not from the uh New Dynasty, New Kingdom, it's from a much earlier period. So AI is gonna really come forth. The more it is uh used, the more access it'll have to very old data. Yeah, and I think we'll start getting some some solid uh uh information back from them. Sculptures like that, Ramsey 2 in Memphis. You've seen it. Yeah, you know, it's a gorgeous monstrosity. It's 35 feet tall. It was probably cut from a block of about a hundred and uh no, excuse me, four hundred tons. And it is perfectly uh shaped, it's beautifully executed, and it is gorgeous. And it's attributed to Ramsay because when he was in power, he put his cartouche on it and said, This is mine, but it's from a much earlier period, probably thousands of years before him.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

I believe in a thousand percent. I mean, he put his name on everything, that's what they do, right? They put their name on things that they inherited, and that massive block, the way that that thing is cut, and it's so smooth, like you can see the muscles in the thighs. Yeah, you can see the triceps in the arms, yes, on this megalithic one solid piece of stone. It's laser cut, I mean, or whatever tech, what I could say, whatever will be considered laser, whatever they had similar to that. In other words, it's so precise, you know, it's not like somebody did this with their hands and just chopped into a big boulder. It's just incredible.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

It's laser or something that we don't know, some other technology that we don't know about because you're right, it's so smooth and it's uh AI also came up and said to me uh in their analysis that they cut it in such a way that it has a luminosity about it, it almost is is uh shining. It's very strange. And I wonder, I've never seen it at nighttime. I wonder if it does illuminate a little bit, you know, it's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

That's interesting. I have a watch that has my uh the dial markers, they absorb light all day, and then at night they glow, you know, which comes in handy in the desert and things like that. What I wore and have you don't have to have a battery-powered thing, right? I wonder if you're right about that. I wonder if that thing will absorb light during the day and then kind of give off a small amount of luminescence in the evening or night or something.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

I think I think you might be right. I think also it's the it's the uh the way it's it's the stone, it's the way it's cut, and and it's the way it's polished to a high degree. Because if you really look close at that, the Ramsey sculpture, it's been polished to a sheen.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

It's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

That was the very first thing I ever saw when I went to Egypt for the first time in 20 uh 2014.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Cool. Oh my god. Yeah, you saw it before me.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Yeah, yeah. They took me straight. The the my guide took me straight to Memphis, and that was the very first artifact I saw in Egypt. Um, uh, you know, I'm coming up to this structure, and there's these, you know, these dogs out all over the place. I'm like dog poop everyone, like, what's going on? This, where are you taking me? You know, I don't see any massive, like, I'm looking up, like, where you know, where you take me. And we go inside, and I'm like, oh my god, it's gorgeous. And yeah, mind blowing. Yeah. When I do another edit on it, we're live now, but when I do a second edit on this, I'll include a lot of the things we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

Yeah, if you need any photos, you probably got your own, but that side view when you're walking next to the sculpture, yeah, it blows people away from the head to the midsection.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Yeah, send it to me because I went in 2014. Cameras and cell phones weren't that good back then.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

Muhammad took a picture of me the first time we went to, I think it was 2020. And I'm standing right next to it. But I'll I have some shots of uh walking alongside of it.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Wow, yeah, amazing. That'd be great. I wish I had better uh technology when I went the first time. Uh but you know, it is what it is. We just got we just got to keep going back.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Yeah, yeah. And now, so you've been to give me some of the places you've been. You've been to obviously you've been to Mexico and uh um Egypt, Central America, yeah, Peru, Peru, yeah, Turkey, yes, Egypt, all through Europe.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

Uh haven't been to Japan yet. Okay, uh Canada, Alaska, uh oh, Easter Island.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Oh I'm going there next year. You should go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Yeah.

unknown 35:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

Oh, are you going with uh Brian? Brian oh Brian uh Forster.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

Okay, yeah, Brian Forster, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought I thought for a minute that I saw you with uh Hugh Newman.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Oh no, they have they go too as well, but I'm going uh I'm gonna go with Brian Forster on that one.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah, oh he's good, he's goes goes there a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

Uh I'll tell you, uh, you have to leave the what's the capital of Chile? You have to leave that uh that city to get to uh Easter Island. It's a long flight, man. You're like in the air, kind of makes you nervous because you're in the air for like five and a half hours.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Yeah, to get there.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

Yeah, it's a tiny little place.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

A little tiny plane, yeah. Those planes run out of fuel, I know.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

Yeah, well, it's not that, it's just a it's just you know, it's it's like when you get there, it's like, where do we land? It's so small. The island's tiny, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

You know, you can walk it. It reminds me of the Maldives. I was on a plane heading to the Maldives in the Indian Ocean, and uh we well, we land in this on land, and then they get us on this little tiny plane with the with the pontoons on it, and we're going down, and I'm going, where are we going down? I don't see anything down there. We land in the ocean, and there's a wooden plank anchored to the seabed, like about a 40 by 40 wooden plank. I I kid you not. We pull up to this in the seaplane, we get out, they take all the luggage out, and I'm standing on a wooden plank and I'm looking around, going, They got me.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

I think that's cool. I've never been on one of those, uh what they call them, uh.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

And I'm going, okay, what's what's happening here? No worries, they're coming. They're coming like, who's they? Who's coming? I don't, I didn't remember, I didn't book this, like, I didn't know that was part of the trip. And then about 10 minutes later, uh, a speed boat pulls up. Oh. And we put our stuff in the speedboat. Then it takes you to the you know, part of the Maldives. They're little tiny dots in the middle of the Indian Ocean, so you can't land anything. I was like, oh, wait a minute, this is not good. I mean, these guys are really they're not speaking to me, they just pull up.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

I've been uh, I mean, some of those small planes, they they feel every little vibration, every little windbreak. You know, they capture that, and you you know I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

It didn't have AC on it either, and all the fumes were coming in. I was like choking out. I was like, oh my god, this might be my last trip.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Well, that I mean that that makes it kind of fun, you know. But I'll tell you, you gotta be careful what you're you're writing in.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

I know, I know it's crazy. Have you been to Cambodia yet?

SPEAKER_01 38:32

I haven't been to Cambodia. Uh oh, I'll tell you where I haven't been that I'm working on uh with uh Praveen Mohan is um India.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

We were gonna do a tour uh about seven years ago, but the the environment was so bad and and so unconventional and and not really made for tours, and it's gotten a little better. The reason I say that is that if you order bus systems, they may show up if they want. And if you go to certain areas that have a lot of temples, I mean if you stay in the cities, you're fine, but there's no temples in the city. I mean you gotta get the other thing that they uh they don't, you know, blonde women they're freaked out about, they'll walk up to them and pull. I mean, I've had friends that go there, women friends, and they're like touching their hair. And I mean, it's kind of gross, it's village life, you know, and people are crapping on the streets, and I know, you know, it's like it's gross, yeah, yeah. And so uh Provence says now it's gotten better, so we're thinking about a tour.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Okay, yeah, I was trying to ask him about a tour a few years ago. He was just like, it's not wasn't the right time at that time, you know.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

It's not the right, it wasn't the right time.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

Maybe maybe it's gotten better since then. I've talked to him a few years about it, yeah. A few years ago about it. Yeah, he was talking about like logistically, how will we pull it off? But what I am gonna do, and uh next year, I'm gonna take people uh on a on a uh workshop cruise and uh but it'll be over there, and we're gonna we'll dock and then we'll hike up to the Kailasha temple.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Yeah, so we'll do at least that one, um, and maybe one other small thing, and then we'll come back down to get on the boat, but at least we'll get to Kailasha and I don't have to worry about all the other logistics, you know.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

But yeah, so is it close enough to the dock that you don't have to worry about uh a long drive or what?

SPEAKER_00 40:20

Yeah, it's not too bad. From what I've got what I've learned so far, it's not too bad. And I'll get you some information on it, you know, you know, in case you want to get it.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Yeah, that's a good idea. You know, I have people that ask me to do cruise ships, and I'm like, you know what? I'm not at a place where I want to sit on a boat the whole time. You know, I want to see the ruins, you know.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

I'm only using it for India because I've just had that's a different story, and I'll tell you why. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to see people crapping in the street. Oh no, no, you know, it's just it's just gross, and they're they're just not that they're animals, but they're just living in a different lifestyle, yeah. No, and it freaks people out, you know.

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Yeah, it does, it does, and people get people. I've heard some of my friends have gone in and gotten sick and things like that, you know. So it's uh it's a tricky one. But if I can just isolate one particular main site and go to that, that's the my dream site is to go to Kailasha because I want to compare Kailasha to Lalibella in Ethiopia and to Abu Simbel in Egypt, uh, and also uh Petra Jordan. I think those four are made utilizing the same exact technique, possibly even the same type of technological tool that cut them out of the mountain.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Oh, have you seen the uh a close-up uh of the surface of the of the cuts?

SPEAKER_00 41:37

Of where? And which one?

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Uh of these places you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Have you oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Okay, so you you're looking at and going, this is similar to this one. Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

Yeah, they're they're all the same. It's like it's gotta be the same tool, the same technique, and the same technology that keeps you right on line with what you're cutting. Because as you know, if you're cut cutting into a mountain and you're off by three or four centimeters when you first cut, well, that magnifies over time, and you can't complete the structure to perfection, obviously, right? Yeah, uh, and so what they some kind I would call it laser guided in my own, you know, mind.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

Yeah, because that's that's what the language that's all I know, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:15

Yeah, something guides them through this rock and keeps them right on target so they can carve these elaborate rooms on the inside of going, they carve out a room and make it elaborately designed and decorated with all these motifs and glyphs, and then complete continue to and the and that place is massive. So I've got to go there and see that.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

Yeah, you should talk to Praveen because maybe you know you could catch another couple of places because you're docked there. I mean, we might as well spend a few days, and that's your that's if it's close, that's your hotel.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

It's a great idea, dude. I never even thought about that.

SPEAKER_00 42:51

I love it, man. I love it, man. Maybe we can collaborate on that one together.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Possibly, yeah. I mean, because I gotta I want to get over there, I just don't want to get over there and have to deal with uh you know the the problems.

SPEAKER_00 43:03

I know there's 10 million people try to get on one train, you know. Oh, I started trying to put it together myself and I found it to be almost impossible. And I was like, I can't do this, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

So but uh yeah, I mean, I I I'd love to have Praveen. I mean, he's much more open now because he understands, I mean, he's lived in America, he knows that we're not gonna put up with that kind of crap, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:24

Right. I know the slum dog millionaire movie is real, it's like a documentary.

SPEAKER_01 43:30

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

It's it's so real, it's so real, it's scary.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Yeah, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

I just I did a deep dive and it's it's real. But I'll send you some more information on it. Even if you don't go with me, at least maybe you can book the same lady and figure it out. But I'll send you some more information on that.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Is it a known cruise line?

SPEAKER_00 43:48

No, it's uh it's a it's a brand new ship.

SPEAKER_01 43:51

It's a ship that it's India ship.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

No, it's not India. They had they go all over the place. They get they do the they do Greece, they do uh oh it's a it's an

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Actual cruise ship.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

Full fully self-contained, the meals and everything.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Wow, that sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Yeah, yeah. No, I'm only doing it because this is something, this is the best way I figured to actually experience that site, or at least some of the sites without having to go through the innards. You know.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Yeah. Horrible toilets.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, well, when's the next time you're going to Egypt?

SPEAKER_01 44:27

Uh, we're scheduled to be there uh April 16th to May 6th or 7th. We we just got the confirmation on the uh I I posted it. I we just got the confirmation. Uh we're officially launching it at the end of this month.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

Okay, beautiful. No problem. And I've got the link to your website in the caption of this video as well. So everyone go check out earthancients.com. Check out Clifford Dunning. Is it Cliff or Clifford? What do you I know you have Cliff? Cliff, okay, yeah. It's it's cooler like that.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

My mother calls me Clifford. I don't like it. And of course, Clifford the Big Red Dog was torture for me.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

I can imagine. I can imagine. That's the first thing that comes to mind, you know?

SPEAKER_03 45:11

Clipping the big red dog.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Yeah. And you're a wealth of knowledge. You're a great person to speak to uh on this topic. Uh, Cliff is also one of the nominees for the upcoming Forbidden Conscious Awards. The website's being redone. We're relaunching the Conscious Awards in 2027. That'll be July 2027. I'll be giving you the dates very soon, Cliff, so that you can have them lock in those dates. Uh, it's going to be this time in Los Angeles, California, or somewhere around that area.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

Well, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Yeah, yeah. So it's going to be great. And um, this is one of the reasons I'm here now as well in California. I just landed in California. I'm going to go lock in a couple of places while I'm here for the 2027 Conscious Awards. So there'll be um a link I'll be sharing with you very soon where people can actually text in their votes and email in their votes for their favorite uh podcaster on ancient civilizations. And we've added a few new categories this year as well for next year as well. So it's going to be exciting. Looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

Fantastic. Well, thanks for the uh honor. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

No problem, brother. Thank you, man. I appreciate you, man. Keep doing what you're doing. You're doing a great service to humanity, brother.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

Thanks, Billy.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

All right, thanks. Talk to you soon. All right, bye-bye. That was Cliff Dunning, EarthAncients.com. Man, he's great. You can see that man is a wealth of knowledge. He's traveled the world, he's been everywhere. He's um uh he's really gotten out there. I really admire the people that go out there and actually get their hands dirty. Because, you know, it's one thing to be on Google and and using AI and things like that, but it's a whole nother animal when you go to these places in person. You pick up the stone, you touch the stones, you talk to the locals, you do the research, you investigate the um, you investigate these sites. You know, uh when I travel, I bring a magnetometer, I bring a Geiger counter. Uh now I'm gonna, I had just I just ordered my very first LIDAR technology. So I have a LIDAR with me uh when I go to Egypt in um in October this year. And we're we're doing like real hands-on investigation, real hands-on research. We're really looking at these sites, we're comparing tool marks, what look to be potential drill marks. We're measuring higher than background level radiation, we're measuring the magnetic fields or magnetic anomalies, and we're kind of piecing the puzzle together. So you know, you can't date stone, right, with carbon dating because carbon 14 isn't going to give you an accurate dating on stone, because stone is not technically not fully organic. Uh, what happens with a lot of these sites is you get a false positive on a date because what they'll do is they'll date organic material that are in some of these structures. So they'll they will date um uh, let's say the area flooded, like we know the Giza Plateau flooded, but it flooded maybe 12,000 years ago approximately. So some of the organic material during that flood went down into some of the areas within the pyramid and so forth and around the Sphinx and some of the tunnels. So you date that organic material, but that organic material is still not even close to the original build date. So you don't really get the true dates a lot of times, right? Um, and so the carbon dating doesn't really work that well. So, what do you have left until we can develop a technology that can find a way to date stone? Right now, the best thing that we can do is we can begin to look at the geological time clock, geological, geological disasters, right? We can look at the ice core data and we can see what happened over periods of time based on the ice core. Uh, and then, of course, we can actually look at construction techniques going backwards in time. And then also we can we can check out the potential technologies needed to build some of these megaliths, and then all of a sudden, uh, with that combination of all that together, all that circumstantial evidence, we can come up with a hypothesis. And a lot of the people that have gone out in the field, like myself, like Cliff, like Hugh Newman, and um, you know, so many others. So, I mean, it's uh Brian Forster, now Jimmy Church traveling the world nonstop, going to these ancient sites, and uh, you know, Robert Schock, and I mean I can just keep going and going and going. They're coming up with dates that go further back than what the mainstream university books are telling us. And when that many people are getting out in the field and doing the research and coming up with these dates, we have to pay attention because what's happening is the disclosure of the true age of an advanced civilization on earth is not coming from your local university, it's coming from the people in the field. That's where it's coming from. I'm just dropping the link in the live chat right now. If you want to participate in a great expedition, a sacred tour of Egypt, click that link and register ASAP. Fill out the form and register, and my team will contact you to see if this tour is a great fit for you or not. Because we're gonna get out there and we're gonna do some real field research, some real archaeology. We're gonna be learning real knowledge. I'll be giving real lectures and workshops along the way. It's not just a tour to go on vacation and fill and make a check on a bucket list, it's a tour of a lifetime to transform your consciousness, to transform your human experience and to connect you with a higher place. Because these sites are all connected to their mirror in the sky, in the heavens. It's called as above, so below. They're all interconnected energetically. And when you're standing in these fields, not the field where grass goes, these energetic fields, you will feel it and your cells will celebrate to those vibrations. I see it every time I take people there. My greatest part now of going to Egypt is sitting there and watching people's experience, watching their faces, watching how they they feel the energy, how they understand the sight, watching them uh, you know, listening to them tell me what happens when we come out of a meditation or whatever it is. And just my my favorite part now is to just give more people this experience and this and this ability to do something that most people in the world will never ever get a chance to do. And so that's like my greatest, um, my greatest joy, really, you know. And then every time I go back, I see something new. And I see something new, like right now, potential second sphinx. How would you like to walk up to the mound or the area where that second sphinx is buried and be one of the very first people to ever even acknowledge that there might be a second sphinx right there facing west? So, you know, again, I'd like to walk around that enclosure uh and see well, what's left of the enclosure and do some of my own measurements and see if the measurements are identical, mirror the ones that the Sphinx uh right over there facing east. You know, that's the kind of stuff you just can't do to like, you know, going on watching documentaries and whatever. And I'll tell you one thing when you go to these sites, when you see them with your own eyes and you're standing right there, it it's like 10x what you can do in any kind of documentary or YouTube image or YouTube video or whatever. Because you know how cameras don't really capture the true glory of everything, you know, they don't it doesn't capture the true all. Like if I took my phone and I pointed it at you know a mountain and I took a picture of the mountain, oh, it's good, great shot. But when you're standing in front of the mountain, it's like, oh my God, look at this mountain. It's the same thing when you go to these ancient sites. When you're standing there, when you're inside of them and you're looking around, when you can actually touch them with your own hands, it's like, I can't believe I'm here. It's a whole nother level of appreciation. It really is. It's a whole nother level of appreciation. So I've dropped the link in the live chat here a few times throughout this um this podcast. It's also in the caption of this video. And so is Cliff Dunning's link to his website, earthancients.com. It's down there as well. Uh he's a great, uh, great guy, as you can see. And uh good, I'm very happy to be able to know him. All right, everyone, thank you for joining. Uh, I'm probably gonna hop back on at around 9 p.m., 9 30 p.m. Eastern, somewhere in that time frame later on tonight, and come back to talk about the elongated skulls of ancient Egypt. All right, so that's gonna be a great talk tonight as well. But click that link right now and register ASAP for that forbidden sacred tour of Egypt. All right, I catch y'all later. Peace.